What if Team Magma Won? - Pokemon Ruby 2 Now in Development!
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- I'm announcing my next Pokemon ROM hacking project, Pokemon Ruby 2!
Imagine the Hoenn region in a world where Team Magma completed their goals in expanding the land with the help of the legendary Pokemon, Groudon. Stay tuned for its developemnt!
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7.8/10 not enough water.
Found the Aqua Grunt
Ikr lmao
You blind?
Erm... Actually its 7.8/10
Real
Just an idea that you might have already had, I feel like a whole load of the Hoenn native Water types could be replaced with newer Fire and maybe Ground types to go with the expansion of land, harsh sunlight's influence and volcanic eruptions.
Some other ideas I had writing this were that the Wynaut Egg could be replaced with Magby. Flannery could be the new champion, based on the sun giving her Pokémon a boost. Sootopolis could now be a mountain that you need to climb to reach it. Tate and Liza could have pivoted to being Ghost trainers due to all the death in that area. Maybe Steven could be the father figure after having replaced Norman in his gym?
I love this idea i hope the developers do it
Great idea
HE HEARTED IT.
Talonflame, Skelliderge, Inceneroar, Salandit. A chance to bring new type combinations into the game. Maybe lore missions for Volcarona, Volcanion, Heatran etc.
@@orrissonpereira1070 Salazzle talonflame yes, but maybe not the starters to make it more sence.
I'm thinking of Galarian Corsola being included here, the lack of coral reefs in Pacifilog and Ever Grande would cause the regular Corsolas to slowly go extinct in this version of the Hoenn region, Cursola isn't really mandatory but it would be very nice to be included (plus it will give Phoebe another ghost type in her team instead of a duplicate Bannete/Dusclops)
You can also make the change for Ever Grande City with the lack of waterfall and ocean waters, which will be replaced with a grand staircase and a buzzling city with a field of flowers where trainers can stay to prepare for Victory Road.
I like the idea of Flannery as champion from the earlier comments, her grandfather used to be a member of the Elite 4, and with that she can finally exceed him; if not that, she can replace Glacia instead as an Elite 4 member. Her getting Typlosion, like how her grandfather has one in the anime, would be very cool; kinda like how Flint has an Infernape in the Sinnoh region. I'm just throwing some ideas here and there.
Overall, I'm very excited to see where this romhack goes.
I think the main villains should be Team Aqua who want to revert the changes done by flooding the region unavare or ignoring the damages Kyogre would cause.
Or a neo team Aqua
In this rom hack team Aqua probably dissolved after their loss, and if anything, Archie would try to help the player because in ruby team Aqua were the good guys and vice versa in sapphire
@Óscarñxd On the contrary, I feel like now that Team Magma has achieved their goal and everyone has presumably become used to the new status quo Maxie would focus on trying to develop this new land based Hoenn.
If Scovillain is in this that would be awesome
Edit: maybe Clodsire because it would be too dry for Johtonean Woopers so maybe the Ground/Poison type woopers would be more adapted to that climate
Hold on you’re cooking
For sapphire 2 the hoenn region should become a bunch of islands with mt. Chimney and mt.pyre being the biggest ones
Dope idea! I'd download that, tbh.
Sapphire 2 would essentially be a Pokemon version of the Wind Waker?
Ideas for new Pokemon: Smoliv (olives don't need as much water per week but need it deep in the roots); Hisui Growlithe (fits the climate better than the original line imo); Skrelp (a water type that becomes a non-water type upon evolution, fits theme of the region).
Maybe Dhelmise as well because of Dragalge's non-water aquatic mon idea; could also allude to the dried-up seas and people perishing on ships during the eruption
Make it so Groudon is like a Roaming Pokemon but actually changes the Landscape so throughout the story the landscape changes essentially becoming a totally different region. Also add Primal Groudon as like a Boss near the end that you can't catch (kind of like eternamax eternatus or Ultra Necrozma). I'd love to see like a massive Groudon walking around and seeing a path of flaming scorched distruction left in it's wake!
I cannot wait for this, i love when people take an already existing Pokemon game and make their own fan made sequel to it, I'll happily play this when finished
Amazing, loved the Concept and the Idea. And I have some Suggestions as well:
- First, maybe it's better to do new sprites for the new main characters so they don't look like the old ones, kinda how BW2 did with bw.
- And second u could base ur new pokedex in the ORAS migrations mechanic cause in Omega Ruby, new pokemon from old generations move to hoenn and gain new habitats thank to the groudon event, so a gible or sandile in the desert or a joltik next to rustuff tunnel would be great. You can even add some of the mirage islands from Oras as explorable new islands.
I need the sandile line available!
Also. Could make the player join/take over a struggling Team Aqua whose new goal is to return Hoenn to how it once was. Maybe a Hoenn restoration group that then turns out to be team aqua in disquise
A recent short featuring the game shows Krookidile, so Sandile confirmed.
You have the perfect opportunity to make a fishing mini-game from the guy who gives you the Super Rod!
10 years later he’s been doing aquaculture and breeding rare Water types that may be affected by the massive drought and water loss
It could be a fun safari zone-esque area with a twist or something
Super excited for this idea, can’t wait to test it and play it!
Switch 2 and Ruby 2 announced on the same day
Heatran Being a volcanic pokemon makes the most sense to be included. If there were a magcargo evolution, I would suggest that. But alas
Magmortar is already a later gen evolution though? Magby, Magmar, Magmortar. That's already 3 stages.
@@darlhiatt8136 I mean't magarco, oops
@@FazhKael oh, that makes way more sense. Macargo definitely wants that level of support to be viable again, and this would be a perfect opportunity for it.
Heatran is now a Magcargo evolution
Heres a few ideas!
1)The eruption/landslides around Lavaridge town should stir up the Gen 1 fossils.
2)Expand pacifidlog town and add more floating houses for the refugees from sootoplois.
3)Turn lilycove harbor into a small lake/pond surrounded by land.
4) make an expansion of rusturf tunnel that leads north to fallarbor town under the mountain like Mt coronet.
5) Expand slateport's beach to make it more of a desert.
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For Sapphire 2, here are some potential places that are safe from the floods:
- Meteor Falls
- Lavaridge Town
- Weather Institute and Fortree City
- Mt. Pyre
- Sootopolis City
- Pacifilog Town (more wood to expand)
- Sky Pillar
- Ever Grande City
Cities or towns are are floating islands or expanded and added sea walls:
- Petalburg City
- Rustboro City
- Dewford Town
- Slateport City
- Mawville City
- Fallarbor Town
Places that are underwater hotspots:
- Littleroot Town
- Oldale Town
- Granite Cave
- Abandoned Ship
- Sea Mawville
- Verdanturf Town
- Lilycove City (likely an island where the Department Store at)
- Mosdeep City
- Shoal Cave
Since you included Mankey, you could add Annihilape
you should add Charcadet. the Pokedex describes it as a burnt charcoal that came to life. it's perfect
I’d be making changes to the dex and encounter rates based on what the ecological disturbances caused by Groudon. A few examples:
-Loss of water leads to less Lotad and more Seedot, certain Pokémon are rarer/more common, etc
-An invasive species taking advantage of changes to the environment
-A species of Pokémon not known to inhabit Hoenn emerging from deep underground due to earthquakes
Stuff like that.
Oh yeah, also Regigigas could be a neat addition I guess
I love the concept of what if the evil Hoenn teams won! I think it would be a great opportunity to explore the possibility of Hoennian variants that were created due to the environmental changes, similar to what the Pokemon Sirius and Altair ROM Hacks did all those years ago.
Best of luck with the project!
Here's an idea for Ruby 3 and Sapphire 2, so in Ruby 2, Kyogre was captured and imprisoned in team magma base, and Kyogre is also being tortured by Team Magma for experimental and aslo got beaten by Groudon everyday. While in Sapphire 2, Groudon was chained with anchor under the deep freezing ocean, unable to move it's body and was stabbed with a sharp object to make sure it didn't escape.
Be careful about which mons you add because without the phys/spec split they might end up deadweight.
Weavile will be awkward to use with its comically low special stat, Roserade will have half of its stab useless and Garchomp might actually be balanced.
On the other hand, Hydreigon with special based outrage and crunch would feel right at home
A lot of people don’t realize how much more humid the planet would be if you sucked out the ocean into the air. Higher humidity means more plants and more bugs, so maybe replace the desert/badland maps with jungles and swamps full of Grass-types. Places like Shoal Cave would dry up, offering refuge to Hoenn’s many Rock and Ground Pokemon.
Sea-dwelling Pokemon that don’t live in the depths should almost certainly be replaced by terrestrial Water Pokemon, like Dewpider and Chewtle. to reflect this dramatic climate change. If you plan on keeping a vengeful Team Aqua in the game somewhere, those are also fantastic Pokemon for them to use.
Pokemon like Wingull and Spheal would really struggle to compete in this world too. Hoennian variants of those Pokémon could emerge where their Water typing is replaced with something else. That would really add to the immersion of a post-Magma world, rather than just changing the map around.
I'd say best to first look at the gen 4 cameos we got around this time for inspiration, which was a Primary reason why Munchlax got involved. Seeing as Soodowoodo hates getting wet I’d see it be more prominent in a dried up region, thus putting Bonsly on the table (potentially Mime Jr. as well seeing as they’re a pair, but I wouldn’t use it if there’s not enough space). Weavile being an Ice Type might not enjoy the new habit of Hoenn so I’d say he’s out, but Lucario is fighting first and steel second, and seeing as how he was second only to Munchlax in promotion for gen 4 I’d say give him (and Riolu) a shot.
While I don’t think they'd be viable in this scenario, more likely working for the potential Sapphire 2, Shellos and Gastrodon were believed to be scrapped Pokemon in generation 3.
I would say the Gen 4 evolutions would be an interesting start. Aside from those though, I'm curious if there would be Hoenn Regional Formes brought about by the drastic shift in the natural order; Maybe Hoenn-Misdreavus and Hoenn-Murkrow in Ruby 2 and Sapphire 2 respectively as version exclusives? But I don't know how willing you are to invent new species or forms for this project.
The legend of Sapphire 2 Windwaker.
Emerald Mini is an amazing experience. Super excited to see how this comes out!
I’d love Corviknight in there. Skarmory is such a core memory in Hoenn playthroughs because he was always my flyer, so seeing the other metal birb in there after the landscape changes makes sense to me.
Something like an expanded Desert Area would be interesting. Like, make the main landmass dominated by the massive Desert that expanded as a result of the eruptions and land increase. Heck, you could even have Mauville be at the entrance to and show the sands having swallowed up some of the cities
I love the idea of this game! I can't wait to see this completed
I am very biased in this because Magmar is my favorite Pokemon, but I think Magmortar would make sense as a boss Pokemon held by a team magma leader. He is big and imposing and it would make sense that a Magmar native to hoenn region might have the right conditions to evolve due to the massive spike in heat.
The Gigalith line would probably fit thematically, seeing as large volcanic upswells in the earth could've carried them up from their natural habitat deep below.
I always imagined a "bad ending Hoenn" to be like a dystopian landscape. For Groudon, a lot of arid and dessert areas as the vegetation slowly dies down, while the Kyogre one a territory full of flodded areas and way more sea, Too Much Water(tm).
Because of Groudon’s drought ability, I would imagine Helioptile and Heliolisk adapting to this environment due to their close associations to the sun and their Dry Skin ability. Perhaps more Pokemon with that ability, like Toxicroak, could also make an appearance because of their skin literally being dry.
I also think Pokemon based on dried clay or stone might be able to thrive in a dried Hoenn. Pokémon that come to mind to me would be Baltoy (in increased habitat range), Galarian Yamask, and Stonjourner. I could imagine Conkeldurr actually being an introduced species specifically for building purposes.
I think Nacli would also be a great addition. I assume a lot of the reclaimed land will be salt flats because of the salinity of the ocean. It would make sense that that line would live there because they are made of salt. There could also be some interesting ghost types that reflect maritime trade, like Delmhise, Litwick, and Polteageist, especially because Hoenn is based off of Kyushu, which contained the only areas with which only the Dutch could trade with Japan for centuries.
Love this idea I will def check it out! Would love to see something like an area where water is preserved and that’s where Hoenn water types are found
There definitely ought to be a "Too much water" joke thrown in somewhere in this game.
Manaphy would be a great add. Anime May had a great bond with one in the movie and I think the Prince of the Sea theme would work well with the restoration of Hoenn’s oceans.
I'm very excited for this! I grew up with Ruby and seeing what would happen to the world as well as what Magma is up to would be fun to see. Also rocking it with Meganium, my favortie pokemon ever, is an absolutely treat!
I never thought you included Munchlax in there
if team aqua won and used kyorge to expand the sea, wouldnt hoenn just be mostly gone from floods? i think i like ruby 2 better as a concept. but if you do do it, i think making a big metropolis city onto mt chimney and call it new sootopolis would be a good idea, cuz, you know, the old one would be gone.
There's a lot of Emerald ROM hacks but very few specifically for Sapphire or Ruby. Was always hoping to find some RS hacks in addition to Emerald. Especially where I can make use of the zigzagoon pickup to farm rare candies in RS, which you can't do until higher levels in Emerald.
Im pretty sure this still uses emerald as the base, look at the text font
I feel like it'd be a good choice to add all of the Gen 4 pre-evolutions and evolutions to the game
watching this in 2006, excited to play this before diamond and pearl release!
Wally being gym leader is cool
He survives his illness, and becomes a Gym leader?
This could get so much more darker and I’m all here for it!
Creative concept, I must say. Guessing that means there'll be little or pretty much non-existent water areas in the region.
If I can suggest something: Since it takes place 10 years after Team Magma won, if we're playing as the same protagonist, they, as well as some returning characters like Wally, should look older. Or maybe it could be a new protagonist instead? Whatever's simpler to do. I like the touch that their outfit is blue in defiance of Magma's red, plus we can play as a blue May akin to Sapphire from the Manga. And I assume the opposite will happen with Sapphire 2, so we can play as a Red Brendan, referencing Ruby from the Magma.
Seeing as you have Sapphire 2 planned, that is going to be crazy to imagine. The great amount of water routes in vanilla Hoenn were one of the region's most infamous points...as a certain IGNorant company has made abundantly clear to the world last decade.
I feel that Charcated would be a good addition since of the eruptions that happened, and you would get the Auspicious Armor and Malicious Armor via an npc that came from the Paldea region.
King Cradi never stops delivering masterpieces
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Ok this looks sick I immediately shared it with some of my mates and I look forward to the eventual release!
I like the idea that you see Groudon throughout the story like Suicune in HGSS, actively causing trouble and shifting the landscape as you encounter it- because Team Magma could never control it.
Also, I like all the broken branches and shifted terrain but give us more destruction! If it’s not too hard on the source code, show us broken buildings, crumbling ruins, sun-scorched trees and lakes drying into walk-through able puddles
I farking love this mate! Bloody genius and so excited!
I think physical special split would make it a lot better
I understand why the majority of ROM hacks shifted to decomps but I've always loved working with binary hacks, myself. In particular, you really don't see any hacks with effort that use the old physical/special system. I once wanted to make a hack with a similar concept of being set in a Hoenn where the villains won, too, went for more of a "Magma and Aqua practically rule Hoenn" approach though. I'll watch this project of yours with great interest!
I adore the charm Emerald mini brought, however I think a similar to CFRU engine really fits this theme, such as the inclusion of the Fairy Type and the physical/special split. Later gen Pokémon could be added in a potential patch. Just a thought, good luck to your project!
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These are my suggestions to add to Ruby 2: Annihilape, Farigiraf, Paldean Tauros, Galarian Corsola, Cursola.
They are all based of the ones evolved from Pokémon from 1 to 3 Gens. 😇
Would be cool to see regional evolutions for the johto starters
For battle sprites, you can use the sprites from the DP beta builds for new Pokemon like Munchlax, so that they won't stick out like a sore thumb
my suggestion for ruby 2 is that spheal and snorunt are either gift pokemon or trade after all shoal cave would have been very much effected by groudon making them have to migrate somewhere else in the pokemon world. you can have the trades be at a port city as a way to at least have the ice type in the game.
Pokémon you should add IMO.
-Sandile line
-Dwebble line
-Drillbur line
-Sizzlepede line
-Hippopotas line
-Silicobra line
-Larvitar line
-Mudbray line
-Sandyghast line
-Bramblin line
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Add in the Gengar line, they went hard in gen 3 even without phys special split, also adding in Dusknoir and Golurk because they're physical attackers would be neat, maybe put all of them near Mt Pyre
Please add megas because for team magma leader having a mega houndoom would be cool
One more idea. Try to add a lot of ground types that maybe migrated to the land of hoenn for more land. And fire types. Maybe maxie is like the king of the world, forced to worship him and if you dont then groudon comes. But mayeb you are trying to stop that. Also i personally love the hoenn starters and the only johto starter that i like is totodile. So maybe like legends arceus you can find the hoenn starters in grass patches, and mudkip while surfing, maybe find them in a grass patch outside of victory road with like a 20 percent chance to find torchic and treeko, and have mudkip be very rare in a sea spot? Also the rival could be like brendan or mays descendant or kid for nostalgia. That would be really cool. Maybe team aqua are the good guys now, trying to save the world from team magma, and they have a huge underwater hideout. Maybe the champion could be someone else, because although wallace would be a good champion because of the abundance of ground and fire type pokemon, the team magma crisis would prevent him from coming to hoenn. And steven would be one of the weakest champions ever because he is weak to ground and fire. If maxie was the champion it would be lore heavy, and although ground is good against fire, maybe make him have a talonflame, and scovillian for a counter to feralagatr. I dont want it to be too hard, but if you picked totodile and the champion, and a lot of the region is just ground and fire types there has to be some counters. Sick idea, tysm for putting time and dedication into this, i think these games are gonna be super fun!
I think it'd be cool if some Hoenn pokemon adapted to the climate and had new forms, like for example a poison/flying Pelliper that subsists of food scarps now that the oceans shrunk and always has rotting food in its mouth, the Seedot line could be grass/fire as the dry climate causes them to ignite, stuff like that could be fun.
just started on my playthrough of pokemon emerald mini, and im already excited for ruby 2!
Super excited for this, can't wait to watch u develop the game
It could be interesting to develope Saphire & Ruby 2 in unison, so that they could narratively play of eachother. It obviously depends on how "developed" narrative is going to be, and if you are even interested in writing something like that. Would take longer but maybe feel extra rewarding?
Omg this is so good 🔥🔥🔥
SUPER pumped about this idea, this sounds amazing and well welcome for a new vision of Hoenn in an alternate timeline. I do have a question, are you going to have some form of a changelog or database of the pokemon from either Emerald Mini or this upcoming rom?
you should add the new evolutions from gen 4, such as gliscor and the new eeveelutions for sure
Yooo this game is going to be fire🔥🔥🔥
This is dope. I’d love the physical special split, and the ability to catch the hoenn starters.
As for non 1-3 Gen pokemon, I don’t know! Lol!
Yo, no fairy type? GOOD
Love this concept!! cant wait to play!!
Sounds interesting. Def ready for the play through
I feel the brabighast line would make sense as they are tumbleweed
Not sure if you are planning to give new type combinations to any old Pokemon, but please consider leaving Dodrio as Normal/Flying and simply adding Jump Kick to its movepool! I have seen a few rom hacks change it to Ground or Fighting instead of Normal, and honestly it's overkill; if you don't believe me, look no further than Choice Band Dodrio in Round 7 Battle 3 of Orre Colosseum in Pokemon XD, the only thing stopping it from demolishing your team is the Lightningrod strat used by the trainer, and the fact that Dodrio has base 100 Speed (it got upped to 110 in later gens I think, so you could maybe look at that if you are tweaking any base stats). Oh and it needing a turn to recover from Hyper Beam, should it even opt to use it. It hits with the same power as Snorlax (who is really good in that particular format) but much faster and with even just Drill Peck and normal STAB it can do loads of damage! Best to change the typing and/or stats of something that actually needs it, like Noctowl! (Edited for typos)
Excuse me, King Cradi? Can you pretty please add Charmander, Pidgey, Scyther, Riolu, Pichu, Treecko and Oshawott to Pokemon Ruby 2 as wild Pokemon?
My main thought would be how the game is balanced with how there's a clear implication of more of the evil team as a threat and return more than likely more of their staple pokemon/types. Like would waters be op in Ruby?
Sounds fire. I feel like the goodra line would make sense as hoenn could of brought them in for rain dance like how alola brought yungoos in to help with rattata
I have a request for some Generation 4 mons. Frostlass and Gallade. Both of these pokemon are evolutions of generation 3 mons. They both have the same evolution method of using a dawn stone and I also really really love Frostlass its one of my favorite pokemon. Magmortar would also make so much sense because volcanic theme of Team Magma taking over. Maybe Heatran would be a good idea to because of emerging volcanos from Groudon taking over the region.
Good luck with the project and I wish you the best with everything. As a fellow fangame hobbyist myself, I love seeing the process of fan made creations like this.
Also a quality life of improvement change IF you are able to do it is able to see IV's and EV's of Pokemon? I know it's "old school" to not know and that's what makes it fun on one hand. But on another, to truly face the additional difficulty, I think the players who WOULD want to care about that can make it easy for them to.
I guess you could add Pokémon encounters in areas where previously Pokemon were not meant to be (es. Dugtrio, vibrava, Sableye), and, why not, you could include hippodown/Rhyperior/Steelix to the game
I think Salandit and Salazzle would be good fit. Living around areas affected by volcanic eruptions.
Yesss, my current addiction is the hoenn region, would love to play through this after emerald
Pokemon that would fit:
Fire types with strong relation to volcanoes:
Heatran
Magmortar
Volcarona
Volcanion
Torterra (idk just feels like it fits a rebuilding ecosystem themel
Rhyperior (vibes + oras pokedex mentions volcanoes)
I feel like ursaluna would make sense now. We can say after the Eruptions. Peat blocks were rediscoved around the area that use to be ocean.
For Pokémon Ruby 2 I would suggest giving the player characters new designs, add more Fire and Ground type Pokemon since Hoenn’s landmass has been expanded and add more Pokemon from other generations and have Team Aqua act as a your allies in Pokemon Ruby 2. For new Pokemon to add to Ruby 2 I would suggest adding Growlithe, Arcanine, Rockruff, Charmander, Houndour, Houndoom, Magby, Magmar and Magmortar to Pokémon Ruby 2.
After emerald mini I’m very excited for this game 😮 I’ll stay tuned
IM SO HYPED!!! cant wait for the project release!
Emerald Mini was super fun, random suggestion. With Legends Arceus out and Legends ZA in the works. What about a rom hack about Ancient Hoenn? Like Primal versions of the Regi’s, possible ancestors of Hoenn Figures. The foundation of some famous towns like Sootopolis? Idk it sounds like a cool idea. Obviously not open world and the gym badges would need a rework. But I think it could be cool
I was considering this at one point, maybe in the future
Thought it would be cool to have caves going under the sea (on foot) and a town underground with a opening on an island in the sea
If sapphire 2 was made. I assume player swimming should be an option have to battle hoards of Pokémon. But using small Pokémon for surf would minimize the encounters but large Pokémon like laprus and wailord would be just flying and large Pokemon. Also near end game would be a boat with no encounters.
Or you can have a boat at the beginning but make the sprite large and would be to large to get to some areas so surfing and player swimming would be better options
This is a really cool concept! I admire your desire to keep the game as similar to gen 3 as possible, but a small suggestion I'd like to provide is perhaps some changes to a few Pokemon learnsets. The gen 3 sets are pretty pitiful, especially the gen 2 starters you will be giving the player. In my experience playing hundreds of fan games and rom-hacks, a bad or disappointing starter kind of snowballs the game into a negative experience. Another suggestion if you want to keep the sets completely vanilla, is TMs acquired around the level you would want to give them the new moves. But of course, this is your hack, and that's a decision that's totally up to you.
As a Fan Game developer myself (Pokemon Vanguard), I wish you luck on your ROM-hacking journey!
I plan on changing some move sets/stats but keeping most of the gen 3 mechanics (like no physical/special split)
Ooh that's such a cool idea! Good luck on the hack :)
I’m subbing so that I can know when it releases
I hope that since this is a sequel you will make a custom different sprite for the protagonist and MAYBE a secret battle with the protagonist of ruby 1, a trainer that failed his mission to save Hoenn.
Damn that's poggers, anyways the crustle line would be perfect cuz it's under a rock
Bro we need douraladon,rokiedy and Arcanine in this
Evolution/Pre-evolution to pre-existing pokemons which got evolutions in later generation would be appropriate
Ex) Electivire, Gliscor, Froslass etc
Making water pokemon alot more scarace would be dope, and i could see pokemon like heleolisk, and hippowdon
No fairy type? Thats great