Dawn of the Extreme Raid Progression

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  • Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024

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  • @g.d.2059
    @g.d.2059 11 месяцев назад +47

    It only takes 1 or 2 problem people to destroy an entire FC. Pick your Officers wisely.

  • @GarnetDust24
    @GarnetDust24 11 месяцев назад +67

    The other static and fc members rarely sticking up for OP is a huge tell. I don’t care how good it feels initially if no one is in your corner on multiple incidents GTFO

    • @holy9781
      @holy9781 11 месяцев назад +4

      Most will stick with the fc leader.when i called out my fc leader for modding my character in erp pics,and they stood by him

  • @juacocs
    @juacocs 11 месяцев назад +20

    "Gaol prog" on UCOB? Wasn't that an UWU mechanic? Getting to Nidhogg in just "a couple of pulls" for DSR? I don't know, OP is reeking of sus...

    • @someonesomewhere5667
      @someonesomewhere5667 11 месяцев назад +4

      My thoughts exactly....there's no "gal" phase in ucob.....and a casual static doesn't simply "get to nidhogg" in a couple of pulls in dsr ☠️☠️☠️☠️

  • @DICEBOY22
    @DICEBOY22 11 месяцев назад +18

    It is I... Shadow the Hedgehog! whisper whisper how would you like.... 'wink' to be my damn Chaos Emerald.

    • @DICEBOY22
      @DICEBOY22 11 месяцев назад

      Cast
      O.P.
      Shadow the Hedgehog
      Dawn Pokemon gen 4
      Terry from Fatal Fury

  • @LucasBernardesRosa
    @LucasBernardesRosa 11 месяцев назад +32

    I'm not sure I believe in that story... Like... This was their second tier and they're already logging pinks? They brought them on to DSR on a whim, to play catchup and they're already doing Thordan calls? Sus...
    Possible, but sus.

    • @pathra
      @pathra  11 месяцев назад +13

      That’s a good point. Felt like a lot of subtle bragging too

    • @civares8609
      @civares8609 11 месяцев назад +10

      Right as I read your comment im on the part where it said... "Terry was part of UCOB group that got stucked on gaol prog recently". Sorry sir wrong fight lmao

    • @Arabassassin13
      @Arabassassin13 7 месяцев назад +1

      I mean it’s possible you can get a high parse if you clear very early vs late in the tier

    • @LucasBernardesRosa
      @LucasBernardesRosa 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@Arabassassin13 If DSR is up on that tier, it's no longer early in the tier... This feels like a load of fake.

    • @spikytoaster
      @spikytoaster 4 месяца назад +2

      Yea OP is pretty cringe ngl lmao the way they write is just yikes so I dont blame you for thinking they are sus

  • @HideyoshiKinoshita.
    @HideyoshiKinoshita. 8 месяцев назад +6

    am the astro in the story :o yay am famous ^^ I guess my position gives me a bit of knowledge to explain some more to the handful of people that stumble on this video later. not really looking to comment much on the personal drama but I'll say that the story around the raiding details *is* pretty exaggerated, though enough about the important points are there to make it obvi if ya know the peeps or not. also OP is non-binary they/them for commenters a lil confused. they were in the static for the first few weeks of p5-8 tier - being removed before 6 was cleared, mainly due to unreliable attendance cause of some health issues. that might sound a bit harsh and sweaty but it was maybe 6 rain-checks out of 10 raid nights... as someone with a chronic illness of my own, it was a lil hard to object when I pushed to call off as lil as possible. ^^; TOP also wasn't anywhere near released yet, it was early into patch 6.2. I recall us getting back to p3 in dsr fairly quick like the story says, though unfortunately due to previously mentioned unreliability it happened for, like, 1 pull.... though the amount of ping issues and just inconsistency in the group made dsr kinda impossible ^^; group went on for months after OP was removed and never got through phase 3. some of the log-related stuff was also kinda weird to hear, dawn and OP both struggled with dps numbers but they were still good enough about mechs to clear and the rest of the group was able to pick up the slack for the most part - not sure why things about oranges and pinks had to be made up for this story.
    Though don't let the raid details detract from the rest of what's being said. Like I said, I was just the astro - not the ERP manager that knows about all that stuff. ^^; Though I have heard a lot of similar drama things from friends and it's true the FC no longer exists after their breakup, I was nothing more than a SFW lala hostess that quit the job before a lot of the bad drama happened.

    • @pathra
      @pathra  8 месяцев назад +2

      Wow that was very interesting to know! I did find the parse stuff a bit braggy too when I read it

    • @kiiturii
      @kiiturii 5 месяцев назад +2

      pretty much exactly what I thought the truth of this story might be, exaggerated especially with the logs, but the drama parts still true

    • @Vegeta0585
      @Vegeta0585 17 дней назад

      @@HideyoshiKinoshita. And a good astro. Best healer we ever had.

  • @vita2831
    @vita2831 11 месяцев назад +12

    Treat raid groups like any other workplace:
    Don't fuck your colleagues.

  • @totalgravityshow2129
    @totalgravityshow2129 11 месяцев назад +15

    This story feels i wouldnt say fake, but dishonest. I feel like theyre lying or leaving stuff out?
    How does someone go to fresh raider to pink parse and DSR/TOP in less than 2 months? Like i know there are fast learners out there, but this is reeaally sus lol.
    Im starting to think they lied about being a new raider, and only lied about it for clout/brag/flexing/to make it interesting
    I have no proof of course, but i would definitely say to take his progress/experience with a grain of salt.
    Everything else though was hilarious 😂😂

    • @markup6394
      @markup6394 11 месяцев назад +1

      Maybe its about raiding in FF14. Being a raider in other games certainly helps when it comes to situational awareness, boss tells and all that stuff...

    • @RicardoSantos-oz3uj
      @RicardoSantos-oz3uj 8 месяцев назад

      By having too much free time and no life.

  • @Mijeme123g
    @Mijeme123g 11 месяцев назад +18

    1/4 of the story was bragging about skilled prog.

    • @pathra
      @pathra  11 месяцев назад +9

      For real! I am unsure why we needed to know their parse numbers and how much the static complimented them 😅

  • @Temptest09
    @Temptest09 11 месяцев назад +16

    Yeah this story is cap af lmao.
    OP is a god gamer that went from casual to parsing pinks in little to no time at all. Went from not knowing anything to being about to call out mechs in an ultimate in like 2 months. Dawn literally was like nothing but evil and OP was this nice guy through out the entire story. They literally made every situation worse lmfao. The humble brags in the entire story too. This entire story is just completely fake to me. Nothing makes sense at all and it feels like its just a story from someone who just wanted to share a "story" to Pathra and stream so that they can react to it. Cool story i guess but i highly doubt its true
    Edit: Also to add to this they said Gaol prog in UCOB?!?!?! Stop the cap fam

    • @kiiturii
      @kiiturii 5 месяцев назад

      some things definitely set off my radar too, but improving at that pace isn't really that unlikely, if they were putting as much effort into as they were saying, I'd say it'd be expected to improve like that, they were always studying mechanics way in advance and they were pf progging on an alt. Ultimates really aren't that difficult if you just study the mechanics.
      What I don't believe though is that they had purples and pinks, literally in the top 1% of damage dealers, and somehow they were told they were not doing enough damage, like no one would ever say that lmfao, they either lied about their parses to seem more in the right, or to get a brag in. Gaol prog in ucob immediately caught my ear too but I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they mistyped or something, surely they wouldn't make a mistake like that even if it was fake

    • @kiiturii
      @kiiturii 5 месяцев назад

      Just found a comment from their astro and yeah they say that the log part was indeed a lie and some of the raid prog was exaggerated, but everything else is true

    • @Vegeta0585
      @Vegeta0585 17 дней назад

      Some of it certainly is. A lot of it, unfortunately is not.

  • @bluezhift
    @bluezhift 11 месяцев назад +7

    Wow! That was a roller coaster ride! Good thing I'm a filthy casual! No statics or ERP for me! Just clubbing! LOL!

  • @bransonchic678
    @bransonchic678 11 месяцев назад +4

    I love how the op told their story very spicy lol! Thanks for sharing i needed this to destress about my anatomy final on Thursday!

  • @ditzyhere3138
    @ditzyhere3138 11 месяцев назад +14

    I'm a little confused. If OP already cleared on an alt without this static then why did they bother staying with them?

    • @pathra
      @pathra  11 месяцев назад +9

      Hey that’s a good point! Since they cleared savage on their alt maybe they stayed only for DSR? 🤔

    • @markup6394
      @markup6394 11 месяцев назад

      @@pathra I can imagine as a raider who wants to take raiding seriously, one prefers a static. I can imagine he (originally) wanted to stay not only for the tier in the story but also future ones.

  • @clooebooie
    @clooebooie 11 месяцев назад +6

    the twists and turns in this story were insane xD especially at the end, gotta love some ERP LOL

  • @thelazyhuntress
    @thelazyhuntress 10 месяцев назад +7

    HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIT
    I KNOW THIS ONE!!! lmfao
    Unless another this was another group on crystal that also got destroyed on crystal nearly the same exact way, man exposed his cheating ex with a 3 page google doc, sent pictures of her, tried to look like the lesser evil. He wanted to isolate her so she had no one to go to. Then got upset when no one went to his defense and try to smooth things over with her. He also tazed her computer because she was "chronically on xiv." They were both pretty scummy people but I never got to know them personally. I was just invited to their venue through some friends who frequently visited and joined their discord for random things like pvp.
    If it's not the same peeps, it'd be both hilarious and kind of scary this just happens to be the norm over there.

    • @fluffells8361
      @fluffells8361 9 дней назад

      This is not at all the case. I knew the couple very well, and can one hundred percent confirm the details in the document. Dawn told a lot of lies and garnered sympathy and pity. She actually isolated Shadow, and there was no tazing her PC, but he was the one that paid for it in the first place. Dawn would verbally abuse him, and refused to do anything to contribute to the household, spending all of her time online, and fraternizing with other men behind a screen.

  • @fluffells8361
    @fluffells8361 8 дней назад

    So some context about the RP and ERP: The FC in question was "Coffee " and held the #2 spot for savage and extreme clears on Crystal. Every week, we also hosted a roleplay coffee lounge which was divided between a SFW section for the main floor and basement, and the upper levels were NSFW with a fee in gil. Shadow was not hitting on OP. Shadow plays a male Xaela, Dawn plays a female Xaela. Besides, they had a mutual agreement about ERP being open, so long as it remained in character and didn't translate to real life. Dawn did not abide by this rule.
    Dawn was very verbally abusive and a pathological liar. IRL, she treated Shadow like less than human in the 6th year of their relationship. Something made her switch all of a sudden after 5 years, and there's still no answer as to why. Shadow is 100% straight, so he wouldn't hit on a guy, most likely a miscommunication. I used to be a part of the FC, and am actually one of the people she robbed for a commission. Never saw that money ever again, and Dawn actually yelled at me for bringing it up in VC after months of waiting. My heart goes out to Shadow. Dawn's gofundme was a lie, she did cheat on Shadow and there were chat logs to prove it, even after breaking up, she kept living with him and it took a bit to remove her from his home. She continued to flirt with other men and continued to lie to get pity and sympathy from people. Shadow had not cheated on Dawn once, and was unhealthily devoted to her. The way she treated him was disgusting, to say the least.
    As for OP's part in this, I wasn't in the static, but I do appreciate the warrior (Calling him "Hotgo" for simplicity's sake) giving them the logs. I wasn't in their static, but they helped me get tons of clears for glamour and mounts, and can confirm that logs were available to see who was underperforming. During off-static nights, the underperformer was typically me, as I was just learning mechanics. Dawn actually treated many of the female players poorly, and even went so far as to give me the silent treatment, even though communication with her was important for a lot of the FC events. I didn't even know what I had done wrong, either. She never explained it to me.
    So I really hope people take this testimony to heart and don't judge Shadow too harshly. The man kept getting placed in undeserved positions and was ultimately betrayed in the end.

  • @THECAMERON11
    @THECAMERON11 11 месяцев назад +8

    idk who is weirder, OP or the couple lol

  • @melonkollyNZ
    @melonkollyNZ 11 месяцев назад +5

    oh this was such a juicy one haha
    as soon as dawn was way too aggressive toward women, and on mateus?? either she or shadow being an extreme raid progger was a dead giveaway hahaha
    as soon as shadow said "ur out of the static" an extra burn would have been a screenshot of the pink parse lmao

  • @ShxpxRok
    @ShxpxRok 11 месяцев назад +6

    I would have escalated the shyte out of that soon as she told me not to dp the rdm watch me!
    places dp on rdm fk right off xD

  • @zedorian6547
    @zedorian6547 11 месяцев назад +4

    Should have told off Dawn from the start. Then again I dont raid because I’m not about to put up with any of that.

  • @Kuhazan
    @Kuhazan 11 месяцев назад +6

    I would not have let this get that far. Would have been over after her first snap no point in listening to rage McDawn pants people who cannot understand the game is for fun and not anger I care not for.

    • @Lunar_Crescentfall
      @Lunar_Crescentfall 11 месяцев назад +1

      Same here, I don't put up with that kind of bs

  • @RicardoSantos-oz3uj
    @RicardoSantos-oz3uj 8 месяцев назад +1

    The moment someone mistreat you. The moment is time to either kick or leave.

  • @rexcyjones9416
    @rexcyjones9416 11 месяцев назад +11

    This OP is sus. His raiding story is very very sus. You cant just go clear p2 DSR without prior major drama. That shit is the breaking point of the static groups 😂

    • @fluffells8361
      @fluffells8361 8 дней назад

      Not entirely the case. The FC is COFFEE and they held the #2 spot on the data center for a while in terms of savage and extreme clears.

  • @Creamccino
    @Creamccino 11 месяцев назад +8

    I love this channel! The stories being read are so juicy.. Cant help but feel bad for op though, that situation sucked !

  • @obliviouschipmunk6539
    @obliviouschipmunk6539 7 месяцев назад +2

    I bet it was validating to OP to know Dawn wasn't just rude and rash but also just a wretched person in general. 😂

  • @TrexelCat
    @TrexelCat 11 месяцев назад +1

    28:24 I'm with LunaAsher. When I block/ban someone, it's permanent. I'm a rather easy going person most of the time. I just want to have fun and I want those around me to have fun. So I will more often than not let things slide. I mean, if I see things starting to slide south I'll say something, let them know that what they are doing isn't okay. Once I do get to the block/ban phase though, it is over. I've had people try to use alts to get around this and I'm like "I got all day and infinite blocking/banning space, keep 'em coming."

  • @chosenuwu
    @chosenuwu 11 месяцев назад +4

    what a dysfunctional static

  • @AiroDusk
    @AiroDusk 11 месяцев назад +3

    From the first words of Dawn, you could already tell it was going to be a disaster by the end of it.

  • @4SkippyRoo
    @4SkippyRoo 11 месяцев назад +3

    weirdly I had to listen to this on 1.25x speed

    • @pathra
      @pathra  11 месяцев назад +4

      30 mins and the juicy part was at the end, I don’t blame ya!

    • @4SkippyRoo
      @4SkippyRoo 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@pathra I don't mind the length tbh, I listen to these like they're podcasts lol

    • @markup6394
      @markup6394 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@4SkippyRoo Same - the longer the better XD

  • @KPSoftwind
    @KPSoftwind 11 месяцев назад +4

    ERP baby!!!

  • @ho-sette
    @ho-sette 10 месяцев назад +1

    "dawn with the gamer words" DEAD

  • @Oyst8Y6h
    @Oyst8Y6h 11 месяцев назад +2

    Not to defend this Dawn person but tbh… p8s p2…. As a healer… we kept having issue healing our RDM (and sometimes DNC) since me and my cohealer would spam AOE during HC but if a member only stays at corner, we can’t really know and single target them. And for week1/2 casters are squashy af. So I can totally see this underhealing thing being on OP instead. We had to constantly tell dps to stay in get healed then go to their corners. The only time we single target was during the last part with ifrits or somehow both healer got S towers and caster is up north taking bleed bad….. 😂 there were also ppl like “you are healers you should keep ppl alive”. My argument is “you are dps and you are not even hitting the boss. Why not just come in for a few sec then go to your spot”.

  • @Cloverism
    @Cloverism 11 месяцев назад +4

    This seems like an odd way to humble brag… not going to lie .

  • @sweetsorrow7480
    @sweetsorrow7480 11 месяцев назад +1

    Well, that took a turn

  • @williamhoey2344
    @williamhoey2344 7 месяцев назад +1

    Dawn is the walking embodiment of red flag, should probably show this to any teenagers who are on their first ever date as things to look out for lol

    • @Vegeta0585
      @Vegeta0585 17 дней назад

      She was in her 30s.

  • @someonesomewhere5667
    @someonesomewhere5667 11 месяцев назад +4

    15:13 gal prog?...in ucob??? 🤔

  • @OriginalMiqote
    @OriginalMiqote 11 месяцев назад +1

    For some reason my mind pictured a different Extreame Raid Progression...

  • @moonfiend9259
    @moonfiend9259 10 месяцев назад +1

    People like this Dawn person is one of the biggest reasons I tend to dislike progression raiding and raiding in general. Screw that lol.

  • @PlaguedLime
    @PlaguedLime 11 месяцев назад +1

    i do love some extreme raid progression :)

  • @lunakuron4339
    @lunakuron4339 11 месяцев назад +2

    I really want to know about the google doc LMAO.

    • @Vegeta0585
      @Vegeta0585 17 дней назад

      unfortunately I deleted it.

  • @wickedjashin
    @wickedjashin 11 месяцев назад +2

    You do not pay my sub” that’s All you need to say. they get wild after that one lol.

  • @wayfinderxiii3366
    @wayfinderxiii3366 11 месяцев назад +4

    People take 14 too seriously

  • @starofaetherius
    @starofaetherius 11 месяцев назад +1

    I had the video on 1.25x speed because you speak a little slowly (not a criticism, its probably a good thing for many people). Forgot it was sped up for awhile before the outro song started and jumpscared me 😅

    • @pathra
      @pathra  8 месяцев назад

      That is totally fine! People are allowed to watch me with faster vid speed! I do that too with some other yt vids and it’s all about peoples time in the end of the day and how they rather listen to it!

  • @Sasateify
    @Sasateify 11 месяцев назад +1

    Can somebody tell me where the dragon mount is from that is showed middle-ish? Thx 😊

    • @markup6394
      @markup6394 11 месяцев назад +2

      Its from getting all seven lynxes from the EW extremes. Or was it six?

    • @AFKei
      @AFKei 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@markup6394Zodiark, Hydaelyn, Endsinger, Barbariccia, Rubicante, Golbez, Zeromus... Yep, seven.

  • @Vegeta0585
    @Vegeta0585 17 дней назад

    Well this sounds familiar. -Cassian DawnSHADOW. Pity Dawn's name isn't that anymore. Unfortunately I am unsure who OP is, as I /never/ ERPd with males, nor was I aware of 90% of the things Dawn said to people. I'm really sorry to the OP, I tried to make sure everyone felt at home in our FC and static both. Unfortunately, as they mention sending entire DMs, a lot of folks started coming to me about Dawn and sending me entire DMs, was the first step on exposure. History though, havn't touched the game since. I lived with Dawn, btw. She had full access to any of my DMs, or could simply walk over and look. She always knew it too. She asks, I hand her my phone, let her go through whatever, I didn't care, had nothing to hide. Her....well lets say I wasnt allowed to see her phone.

  • @dracodevil.
    @dracodevil. 29 дней назад

    LOL, I wouldn't have a that long drama, the first time that kid said "if you give dance to the rdm, I'll kick from the static". I would save him some time, and leave lmao

  • @dn8579
    @dn8579 10 месяцев назад

    This was definitely a fantasy the OP played out in his head.

  • @AA-ly5pu
    @AA-ly5pu 11 месяцев назад +1

    People like Shadow and Dawn are why I don't raid with couples anymore. I'm sure there are couples out there who aren't toxic in raids, but damn I sure haven't seen any

  • @Punkadelic2112
    @Punkadelic2112 11 месяцев назад +1

    Yo, anyone knows which story it was that the way it was written was very funny and had really interesting quotes? I remember Pathra doing that person's voice and was really funny

    • @pathra
      @pathra  11 месяцев назад +2

      Was it Yes Ma’am? That one I remember trying to do a southern accent for. 😂

    • @sourPatchkidHaley
      @sourPatchkidHaley 11 месяцев назад +2

      MR AURA maybe?

    • @markup6394
      @markup6394 11 месяцев назад +2

      Could be "Yes ma'am" as Pathra said. I only remember the OP of that story was an omni crafter and housing designer...

    • @Punkadelic2112
      @Punkadelic2112 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@pathra BAHAHAHA I do remember that one lol Makes me want to watch that one again.
      @sourpatchkidhaley was right, it was Mr. Au Ra and as @markup6394 pointed out it was about a house designer xD
      I love the sass in that story!

  • @valkyrieKNIGH7
    @valkyrieKNIGH7 11 месяцев назад +1

    Nah. This was SPICY SPICY

  • @sunayocarissime5309
    @sunayocarissime5309 11 месяцев назад +1

    As someone who mains on Mateus, I want to apologize. Not all of the RP community is that blatant or disgusting.😖😖😖

  • @reel8453
    @reel8453 2 месяца назад

    I’ve won so many arguments in the shower.

  • @azorien8413
    @azorien8413 4 месяца назад

    I don't play this game and don't know what the party finder experience is like but I would rather do that than deal with this

  • @meyatetana2973
    @meyatetana2973 10 месяцев назад

    If someone said they'd kick me over a joke, I'd just tell them Do it. Static honestly isn't hard to find, you can make your own but being new to raids might seem overwhelming to do but it isn't a hard game, not even the hardest content is that hard. Pay attention and work through it, the mechanics are like a dance. I can understand it'll be hard at first, but what isn't hard in the beginning? Everyone can do hardest content in the game given enough time.

  • @flxnnigan
    @flxnnigan 11 месяцев назад +6

    I feel like the op should def be held accountable for their actions. Technically, none of this would happened if they had just read the room and kept their distance whenever Dawn started being territorial. Which they are entirely entitled to be because that's their partner. So whatever boundary line she wants to lay down is fair. I feel like no one really stopped to think about what this "Dawn" person could/has been going through with this "Shadow" person. She seems to really be trying her best to stay in relationship with "Shadow" regardless of how he's been in the past.
    Yeah dawn was an ass but you aren't here for Dawn. You're here for a clear. Escalating things to the point where you ruin someone's relationship just because they were mean to you about a video game is crazy and completely uncalled for. Don't get me started on them doting everyone in the static even though they already knew Dawn would have an issue with it.
    They're actively doing things that make the situation alot worse than it has to be. Like if you didn't like the static and you technically already cleared on an alt....Why would you still stay?
    Unless...you secretly enjoyed the attention you were getting from everyone including "Shadow"... BUT HEY! That's just my theory. Keep up the good work Pathra!

    • @pathra
      @pathra  11 месяцев назад +2

      Love hearing other peoples takes and theories cause it could definitely be more things to possibly consider! Glad you enjoyed it! ^^

  • @MrLilven
    @MrLilven 11 месяцев назад +1

    i like this OP

  • @XbenjaminXL3
    @XbenjaminXL3 11 месяцев назад +1

    RDM MCH WAR PLD i rmb were locked out of week 1 p8s pfs i think ast aswell i cant rmb

  • @Tailionis
    @Tailionis 11 месяцев назад +1

    Why would anyone let themselves be talked down too like that. Tell them off and leave. Have some self respect.

  • @axellis8333
    @axellis8333 8 месяцев назад

    the moment someone says some shit like that to me I'm out... Let dawn be someone else's problem

  • @BongSwansong
    @BongSwansong 11 месяцев назад +1

    Gaol is pronounced as Jail btw.

    • @pathra
      @pathra  8 месяцев назад +1

      An update: I say jail everytime now so I appreciate your comment for helping!

    • @BongSwansong
      @BongSwansong 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@pathra :) Glad I could help Pathra.

  • @ChaosAngels16
    @ChaosAngels16 11 месяцев назад

    I'm much more curious about the horns on that Au Ra in the thumbnail, I will be honest. Is that a mod? Or something from the game, cause I've never seen those horns on the head before? 🤔

    • @pathra
      @pathra  11 месяцев назад +2

      I found it on google and I’m assuming it’s a mod. I hoped it wasn’t but it I wouldn’t be surprised if it is since the pic looks so good

    • @Vegeta0585
      @Vegeta0585 17 дней назад

      Looks like one of hers. If it's an aura mod by feraltempest , that's dawn

  • @jpranindito
    @jpranindito 11 месяцев назад +1

    this is why im glad pf exist.. HHAHAHAH