It’s really nice to finally see a fire song magden build that doesn’t need the masters ice staff! Would love to see this build in action in pvp, great detail and explanation.
@@ryanarthurs6534 you need full 500 ulti to get the best of Balorgh though, master's staff will give you 600 damage 100% uptime. You already get Major&minor breach from shalks, more pen is not really needed with 5 light armor.
I'm using Ysgramor's Birthright and Mara's Balm with Bloodspawn and Death Dealers Fete. It feels better than Frostbite and Balorgh atm (though I'm intrigued by Sea Serpents Coil) but I'm using my back bar as a pocket overland healer in Cyrodiil vice strictly buff/defense as I'll never do BGs. So damage dealing isn't really the highest priority for me. I'm more focused on CC and support healing for sieges outside of ball groups. But damn I feel like a god among ants focusing frost on my Magden.
My magicka warden is running 5 piece frostbite & wretched. Masters ice staff. Valkyn skoria shoulders for more pen and gaze of sithis helm. Does this sound okay or is there anything in it that could be changed? If you or someone could get back to me that would be great!
@@Hoarcrux nunatak can be good in the midst of chaos on flag modes which will apply major brittle. When they are immobilized by it it'll proc it an you can proc your North storm and every time u crit it'll just chunk ppl out it's nasty. Terrible for one's tho
I quite like your build. For back bar, wretched vitality vs mara, any idea about which one is better? Your mag recovery is showing as 2117, is that after potion buff? Do you have mag recovery enchantment on both your rings to get that number?
Depends on the food ur using. If you can afford smoked bear haunch then wretched vitality is not necessary. However you can get over 2k recovery is up to you. Warden is a very mana intensive class so your ability to sustain will vary from person to person
Isn't the point with running charged, not to keep up brittle/vulnerability, but to hit more frequent chilled procs? I thought the argument was that those chilled procs would be more damage than sharpened. I know Dragoo ran charged because he was also getting poisoned etc off the back bar dual wield with cloak (and getting pen with cp passive). Just curious! Not sure what to run myself.
Could you @hoarcrux or someone describe the burst combo in detail? I just created your build but I basically die instantly when enemy sees me, not sure yet how I'm supposed to wind up for a kill. Maybe most here find the burst combo obvious but not me, I'm not great at melee range PVP combat (but my bow ganker NB is pretty awesome), and they nerfed my fart cloud build... so sad!
No shot crushing shock is the play over destructive reach, master's ice staff or no. What exactly are we trying to interrupt that's worth losing out on that damage?
@@Hoarcrux My question is why crusher even without master's? They deal identical up-front tooltip damage, but DR additionally applies a DoT and guarantees chilled on every application, which deals even more damage as a warden.
have you tried 5x medusa 5x rallying ,sea serpent,masters ice,1 slimecraw with khajit? since they changed the pen passive to crit dmg it´s dealing an insane amount of dmg
Hey man! Its me night hawk. Changed my name to my grammar tag. I was wondering what you think of this build right now 2 months later? I have all the sets. But im running nunatak for the helm. Thanks!!
I think your confused about cliff racer... you get the weapon damage no matter what. You will always get 100... you get 400 if you set someone off balance. Only reason why I say I think your confused is because I know alot of people think you dont get it unless you set someone off balance and it stacks so you'll be getting 500 damage for pretty much nothing and it usually stays 500 if your fighting outnumbered
I don't like it because you have to be the 7 units away to get the full effect and being off balanced. Plus its super easy to dodge. Plus there is no way to set anyone off balance on this build that I can readily tell
@@Hoarcrux Actually just did some testing with the bird myself, and it's either worded incorrectly or bugged. The bird sets a target off-balance, and then gives you 400 wp & spell damage every time, if more than 7m away. No need for a second bird. Loving the numbers when I move toward a fight with fissure, bird, masters, boom. But still, bar space
Hey Dude, hey All !!! I got very very similar build xD mara back bar but i prefer 1h and shield for stam recovery, front bar ice staff of frostbite sharpened aswell xD and try my idea about abilities plus double drain health poison IX !!! Deep fissure, bird of prey, frost reach, lotus blossom, blockade of frost and ice comet ult !!! EPIC DMG WITH HEALING !!! Have a great fun xD
I have this exact build and I buff up N die in like 5 seconds, and even put out my beetle won't go off in time before I die. I same all of my heals and does. NOthing
Due to the hybridization changes, no matter what resources the ability consumes, whatever resource is higher is what the damage/heal is based off of. The reason people run wepaon damage on DK is because you have access to minor brutality and major brutality
Imagine having a class that can play with 50k health and still kill people, Can use a tank weapon (frost staff) to reduce damage, that gets a free root, but also has maim built in and 2%more damage than a flame staff, trees for group, a burst heal that's also a HoT, free brutatity and resources..... but arguing that it's not broken. Forum crying literally made ZOS flip the rules of a weapon just because clowns wanted to be sub-zero.
@@lapinlogic6267 Dk and templar still more tanky while spending fewer gcds on healing. Nightblade doing stupid damage. Sorc hitting dummy burst crits. Warden is good, but magden isn't mercing me. And I can kill them, we can have duels. Unlike the big templar shields. .
@Alex Jobe I don't have any fealty for any specific class, I like and play them all, As with everything, it depends on the build, i'd wager if the Magden was running Mara's balm, Malubeth, trellis etc no one is killing it in a duel, conversely if its building into crit like Orders wrath/ acuity doing DB/meteor, shalk, dizzy they will be sending bodies to sovenguard just like any other class. The point in the vid about the "Broken" aspect is warden getting more damage on a Ice (tank) staff (12%) than any other class with an inferno (10%) while also boosting all their crit % Dk being "Tanky" with sustain is it's class identity same with Templar with heals/ shields, warden can be incredibly tanky but offers great group buffs/synergies, Heck I have seen Nightblades be anything from 19k health one shot gankers to 60k health unkillable Vampire zerg tanks but its class identity lends itself better to the hit and run class identity. Katie's post was just perceived hyperbole, they didn't post their build, they just screamed that mag warden wasn't a stam DK..... as if every build should function identically and all be immortal for zero effort, the number of guildies that run either Plague Doc/ Seducer with all mag recovery or Light Julianos + (New moon/Seducer/Alfiq) then rage in chat that DK's are cheating/I can't sustain/My heals suck compared to (A min maxed PVP) DK is unreal and will never stop happening because the game doesn't tell them how to make a PVP fit so they just use what works against zombies in Auridon.
@@lapinlogic6267 I still disagree with you on a few points, namely that the ice vs inferno staff is a bit strawman, as it doesn't I corporate the overall damage boosts/passives of the whole class to other classes and the actual tooltips of the skills, and a few other things. But mainly I have to say, what an outstanding comment. I'm not in full agreement, but it's a great argument.
Tried this out on my argonian warden, and worked quite well, nice to have the extra argonian healing bonus.
LETS GOOO
That tip on where to find the status effects in game was great. Love your stuff
Right? I didn't know till last month
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It’s really nice to finally see a fire song magden build that doesn’t need the masters ice staff! Would love to see this build in action in pvp, great detail and explanation.
I'll be streaming the build sometime this week so hit the bell so you can catch me there
Masters and balorgh essentially are in the same area. One gives 600 one gives 500 and pen. Balorgh is just better
@@ryanarthurs6534 you need full 500 ulti to get the best of Balorgh though, master's staff will give you 600 damage 100% uptime. You already get Major&minor breach from shalks, more pen is not really needed with 5 light armor.
@@theschuttgun8764 I'm just a balorgh fan but I've ran both at the same time too it's fun
Right without master staff i beat his damage not tht great
Hello, is this build still meta ? thanks a lot for your vids :)
I'm using Ysgramor's Birthright and Mara's Balm with Bloodspawn and Death Dealers Fete. It feels better than Frostbite and Balorgh atm (though I'm intrigued by Sea Serpents Coil) but I'm using my back bar as a pocket overland healer in Cyrodiil vice strictly buff/defense as I'll never do BGs. So damage dealing isn't really the highest priority for me. I'm more focused on CC and support healing for sieges outside of ball groups. But damn I feel like a god among ants focusing frost on my Magden.
Heres my 1bar vamp warden. Wretched, blessing of high isle, 1p kena or magma, oak. Spam arterial burst
Forgot to mention 511 light, wellfitted or infused tristat, jewels of misrule
If you use Mara's S&B on your back bar it helps better than Ice staff when getting stam checked 👍
Yessir you're 💯 correct, something I have now implemented
14:09 that voice cracked😂😭💀
My magicka warden is running 5 piece frostbite & wretched. Masters ice staff. Valkyn skoria shoulders for more pen and gaze of sithis helm. Does this sound okay or is there anything in it that could be changed? If you or someone could get back to me that would be great!
Sounds like a super solid setup. I'm actually going to try Sithis out now
Solid build 👍 Frostbite + Master Ice Staff is just op rn on warden
Check out Nunatak Monster Set, pretty fun on warden too
Will do!!!!
@@Hoarcrux nunatak can be good in the midst of chaos on flag modes which will apply major brittle. When they are immobilized by it it'll proc it an you can proc your North storm and every time u crit it'll just chunk ppl out it's nasty. Terrible for one's tho
That's exactly what I run offensively.
I run Nunatek too and I love it!
@@claymora2519 I'm pretty interested! Is Nunatak hard to get?
I quite like your build. For back bar, wretched vitality vs mara, any idea about which one is better? Your mag recovery is showing as 2117, is that after potion buff? Do you have mag recovery enchantment on both your rings to get that number?
Depends on the food ur using. If you can afford smoked bear haunch then wretched vitality is not necessary. However you can get over 2k recovery is up to you. Warden is a very mana intensive class so your ability to sustain will vary from person to person
Isn't the point with running charged, not to keep up brittle/vulnerability, but to hit more frequent chilled procs? I thought the argument was that those chilled procs would be more damage than sharpened. I know Dragoo ran charged because he was also getting poisoned etc off the back bar dual wield with cloak (and getting pen with cp passive). Just curious! Not sure what to run myself.
Artic blast nearly every pulse applies this effect, so I felt no need to double down on it. To I took sharpend instead for the 6% increase
Could you @hoarcrux or someone describe the burst combo in detail? I just created your build but I basically die instantly when enemy sees me, not sure yet how I'm supposed to wind up for a kill. Maybe most here find the burst combo obvious but not me, I'm not great at melee range PVP combat (but my bow ganker NB is pretty awesome), and they nerfed my fart cloud build... so sad!
If you can message me in discord I would love to help! It's much easier that way
Stamden or magden? Which is overall better?
Magden all around imo
This is what i asusmed people were running weeks ago, busted ass class rn
Have to admit it's really fun tho
My resistances are half yours and my penetration is double what am I doing wrong here? I'm on build 2.
Looks amazing!
This shits cracked running rampant everywhere
It's ridiculous lol
No shot crushing shock is the play over destructive reach, master's ice staff or no.
What exactly are we trying to interrupt that's worth losing out on that damage?
If you don't run masters, then crushing is the alt.. if you run masters you cannot run another 5 PC, mythic and monster set. "Build how you want "
@@Hoarcrux My question is why crusher even without master's?
They deal identical up-front tooltip damage, but DR additionally applies a DoT and guarantees chilled on every application, which deals even more damage as a warden.
@@StickAndMove18 testing on a dummy, the status effects from pulse, especially burning, end up doing more damage. Even compared to reach with masters
I play wardens alot, I like your videos about wardens. I want to make a Stamina warden but I'm so used to playing Magicka wardens
Same here brotha, lots of people in the discord can help
I havent High Isle dlc yet, what do you think about malachat ring until i get coil ?
Malcath or markyn would be okay
Definitely a pve nerd
Great video. What about using imperial for cost reduction to abilities?
Really solid choice as well cause it reduces your ult cost and Stam abilities
So I’ve been trying this out for a couple of days. I really like it over all. I need to work on lining up my combo better.
I use oak ring with all 5 only top ice skill abilities and bear.
Breton or high elf better for magden in general
Breton in general. Dark elf if you're gonna Hybridize
have you tried 5x medusa 5x rallying ,sea serpent,masters ice,1 slimecraw with khajit? since they changed the pen passive to crit dmg it´s dealing an insane amount of dmg
In battlegrounds maybe but solo idk, it would be tough
My english not so good, i didnt hear did you talk about vampire xd We use vampire and stage ?
Vampire stage 3!
Hey man! Its me night hawk. Changed my name to my grammar tag. I was wondering what you think of this build right now 2 months later? I have all the sets. But im running nunatak for the helm. Thanks!!
I use the masters ice staff variant to this day. Love it!
Hey man which race are you using? Do you have a written guide?
I'm a Breton on this build and no written guide anywhere yet
I think your confused about cliff racer... you get the weapon damage no matter what. You will always get 100... you get 400 if you set someone off balance. Only reason why I say I think your confused is because I know alot of people think you dont get it unless you set someone off balance and it stacks so you'll be getting 500 damage for pretty much nothing and it usually stays 500 if your fighting outnumbered
I don't like it because you have to be the 7 units away to get the full effect and being off balanced. Plus its super easy to dodge. Plus there is no way to set anyone off balance on this build that I can readily tell
@@Hoarcrux Actually just did some testing with the bird myself, and it's either worded incorrectly or bugged. The bird sets a target off-balance, and then gives you 400 wp & spell damage every time, if more than 7m away. No need for a second bird. Loving the numbers when I move toward a fight with fissure, bird, masters, boom. But still, bar space
Thoughts on running this but on imperial
Hey Dude, hey All !!! I got very very similar build xD mara back bar but i prefer 1h and shield for stam recovery, front bar ice staff of frostbite sharpened aswell xD and try my idea about abilities plus double drain health poison IX !!! Deep fissure, bird of prey, frost reach, lotus blossom, blockade of frost and ice comet ult !!! EPIC DMG WITH HEALING !!! Have a great fun xD
I have winter born in my frostbite setup. Mara balm want to try 👍
Nice build, can you show your rotation in duels?
You say need vampire skill on but you dont run it?
I tested the build without vamp and just didn't go back to vamp. Couldn't get a bite so I said screw it. Trust me ya need undeath for this one
It's a passive not a skill M8
What level vamp is the best? Sorry late reaction..
@@tomdevleeschauwer640 stage 3 but if your bombing or ganking 4 can be viable
do you put points into tri focus passive to block with mag?
Heck no. Some ppl do but I can't
Which pots are you using hoar?
Just tripots for this one.
What food are you running ?
Smoked bear Haunch
Yo I heard of you from one of my buddy and you wearing my outfit! He said I was copying you but never heard of you in my life 😆
Hey great minds think alike! 😝
Frostbite and vd is pretty fun
Can i Play also darkelf with this Build ?
For sure, just run a cost reduction glyph or recovery
I have this exact build and I buff up N die in like 5 seconds, and even put out my beetle won't go off in time before I die. I same all of my heals and does. NOthing
Why are some people putting weapon damage enchantments on their jewelry using a magica build?
Due to the hybridization changes, no matter what resources the ability consumes, whatever resource is higher is what the damage/heal is based off of. The reason people run wepaon damage on DK is because you have access to minor brutality and major brutality
is ur name from harry potter?
Spelled slightly different 🤣
Wish sum1 would make a good 1bar warden:(
Can’t run a warden on 1 bar. You’ll get smacked
Does his build still work?
Yep still very metA!
@@Hoarcrux ty
Trying to understand this and do this without dlc make me wanna die stg
That is not only one bar ice build only and I would not even call this a ice build anyway as my opinion.
🔥🔥🔥
Warden...
I have this build except it's double bar no monster my resistance isn't as high it's weird🤣
Maybe Breton passives?
@@Hoarcrux possibly I'm orc or I forgot something simple like a skill. Been one bar too long it's like starting over going to 2🤣
That little target bugs trick does not work with mouse and keyboard.
That I did not know. Controller master race lmao 🤣
what stage of vamp
3!!!!
Comments to boost u
LEGEND!
Idk basically its your dk build but a different front bar set. 🤷♂️
Thank you Hybridization. Also check out the Masters ice staff variant
wardens and dks sustain and healing are definetely broken
For sure
I'm not having any trouble killing wardens. DKs on the other hand. . .
Plz test penetration cp a bit more:)
More penetration the better I always say XD
People that don't pve and PvP don't know the game
Put weapon damage on ur jewelry, ul get like 200-300 more damage
How? Am I missing a minor brutality source? 😅
@@Hoarcrux no, we will always scale if you're wearing two medium, your ed will always be higher than your spell damage
everything is the same now. scales both
Lol after 1 year gg
It's been a hot minute lol
@@Hoarcrux lol 😀
Sup
Magden not broken like dks so get tht lie out of here and i know this because i play the game without the carrys etc
Someone with a brain thank god
Imagine having a class that can play with 50k health and still kill people, Can use a tank weapon (frost staff) to reduce damage, that gets a free root, but also has maim built in and 2%more damage than a flame staff, trees for group, a burst heal that's also a HoT, free brutatity and resources..... but arguing that it's not broken.
Forum crying literally made ZOS flip the rules of a weapon just because clowns wanted to be sub-zero.
@@lapinlogic6267 Dk and templar still more tanky while spending fewer gcds on healing. Nightblade doing stupid damage. Sorc hitting dummy burst crits. Warden is good, but magden isn't mercing me. And I can kill them, we can have duels. Unlike the big templar shields. .
@Alex Jobe I don't have any fealty for any specific class, I like and play them all, As with everything, it depends on the build, i'd wager if the Magden was running Mara's balm, Malubeth, trellis etc no one is killing it in a duel, conversely if its building into crit like Orders wrath/ acuity doing DB/meteor, shalk, dizzy they will be sending bodies to sovenguard just like any other class.
The point in the vid about the "Broken" aspect is warden getting more damage on a Ice (tank) staff (12%) than any other class with an inferno (10%) while also boosting all their crit %
Dk being "Tanky" with sustain is it's class identity same with Templar with heals/ shields, warden can be incredibly tanky but offers great group buffs/synergies, Heck I have seen Nightblades be anything from 19k health one shot gankers to 60k health unkillable Vampire zerg tanks but its class identity lends itself better to the hit and run class identity.
Katie's post was just perceived hyperbole, they didn't post their build, they just screamed that mag warden wasn't a stam DK..... as if every build should function identically and all be immortal for zero effort, the number of guildies that run either Plague Doc/ Seducer with all mag recovery or Light Julianos + (New moon/Seducer/Alfiq) then rage in chat that DK's are cheating/I can't sustain/My heals suck compared to (A min maxed PVP) DK is unreal and will never stop happening because the game doesn't tell them how to make a PVP fit so they just use what works against zombies in Auridon.
@@lapinlogic6267 I still disagree with you on a few points, namely that the ice vs inferno staff is a bit strawman, as it doesn't I corporate the overall damage boosts/passives of the whole class to other classes and the actual tooltips of the skills, and a few other things. But mainly I have to say, what an outstanding comment. I'm not in full agreement, but it's a great argument.