Just so you know, UPS are full of tyrants! I heard. The one here in upper east Tennessee is a blk racist POS! I heard. He only promotes loaders to delivery drivers if you swing with he and his wife. I heard. He really is a dark overlord (I heard.) I met a guy who told me a story of him getting screwed over because he was told that a residential delivery has video tape of him hitting their vehicle during the delivery. When he asked to see the tape, the racist POS said no, and then proceeded to talk him into resigning instead of firing him, so he couldn’t draw unemployment. The stuff they get away with is just dirty. I’m so thankful I don’t waste anymore of my life there 🙏🏻. And this is coming from someone who averaged over 16 stops an hour during my 30 day trial time at which I got to day 28 and it was after Christmas before he disqualified me. (He did it because I refused to back out onto a busy main road from the persons driveway after making the residential delivery.) 🤦♂️
"I googled it today out of curiosity and I see numerous articles stating that their union secured a salary increase from ~$145k to $170k. However, a couple of follow-up searches for "UPS driver salary" show more reasonable figures, topping out around $75k" ^ First entry on Google!!
It's cute that the media will quote "total compensation" including all benefits into the $170k number, but when quoting the salary of the CEO they typically only quote the "total cash compensation" of the CEO of $1.1m instead of their total compensation of $5.9m that includes pay in equity which is used to prevent additional taxes involved in paying their CEOs even more.
It sure is convenient that the media, which is owned by rich people, goes out of its way to draw your attention away from wealth inequality. I wonder how that happened? lol
What? All I ever hear is total compensation. Hell, sometimes they'll bring up things that aren't even compensation. The CEO's stock went up by 100 million in value, and people are calling for them to be taxed as if it's income.
You have an absolute zero understanding what you're talking about. The media usually quotes total compensation of CEO's. Example Elon Musk earned 1$ cash salary in 2022, yet everybody is putting billions of earnings on his name. And additionally to that it's not that they just get stock, like you can buy in your brokerage account today. They get either stock options or stocks with different lock out dates. So it's hard to put a value on it. For example you get 1M of stock worth 10$/ea 10M total at today market. But you have a lock out date of 10 years. If the company goes bankrupt in those 10 years you're out of luck, because you can't sell. But if the company's stock goes x10 then it turns out you got 100M, instead of 10M. So it's not as straight forward as you explained. It's understandable, that's why the CEO has this pay structure, while regular workers don't.
Im a UPS driver. I voluntarily work 6 days a week at almost 60 hours every week. Rain, sleet, snow, heat, vacations, I work EVERY DAY available. That being said, I find it almost insulting that people really think that they can come in here off the street and do this job proficiently. It is NOT a luxury as far as physical labor.
It's a very hard job by the looks of it. Not to mention you're in an oven during the summer and freezing your ass off during winter. I used to do work like that when in high school and college. It was a slog and I much prefer my white collar job to killing myself physically.
I work for a piano manufacturer who does player pianos and we have a daily scheduled UPS driver pickup packages. Many days this includes 20+ boxes that each weigh between 60 and 80 lbs. We call in advanced to let them know when we have days like that so they can come with 2 guys instead of just the driver, but its hard hard work. I know we are not the only company to do that and I have never thought I personally could just walk in and do that job. It looks incredibly difficult. Though I can understand how people can think in their head "yea I can do that" not realizing everything that kind of job entails.
My dad was a UPS driver for about 40 years (just recently retired) and really you have to be full-time, tenured, and work MANY hours to make that much. I know my dad was making 6 figures but honestly, the hard physical work he was putting in was pretty taxing. He would come home absolutely drenched in sweat from having to work 12+ hour days in the summer with no AC. The tenured full time workers are really the only ones who make good money, but it's at a pretty high cost.
Hell I’d take it considering I work pretty much 100% of the day outside as a maintenance tech in 10+hours a day for $35,0000 in South GA. And I’m on my feet all day 😂
@@roderickhockaday5715 move man. you deserve much more for your hard work. Thank you all for what you do for this country, you're getting royally screwed.
@@infidelheretic923I really don't feel like getting count benefits towards your pay unless you have the choice to opt out of them to increase your earnings. Health insurance is great but I can't pay a mortgage with it.
Its worth noting that UPS hiring is still internal based. So drivers have to start off as loaders/unloaders then work as sorters before applying for the driving jobs. I worked as an unloader and then sorter, it was exhausting, grueling work. And to be clear the highest paying driving jobs are the semi drivers taking packages from trains to the hubs and theres not a lot of these positions.
Can second being a pre-loader sucks, did it in 2019. Was advertised as a part time job, but ended up being full time hours, and I wasn't prepared to be a full time employee and student. The pay was fine, but was far from enjoyable
I worked at FedEx sorting hub as a second gig right when Covid hit. It was back breaking work which I didn’t mind since I used to do that type of work before I went into a corporate job. I quit because of Covid due to my wife having MS.
I’m a driver at UPS. We make $44.42 an hour right now. $49 by the end of contract. So the $170k figure is a 45 hour workweek in 2027 which would bring your wages to about $115k pretax. The other $55k is our benefits and pension contributions that is entirely paid for by UPS, not us workers. Our benefits are very expensive because we have the best package known to man. A million dollar surgery will cost you a $10 copay. Most parts of the country you need to put in years part time at the warehouse before becoming a driver, and after that it takes 4 years as a driver to make “top pay”. So in conclusion it is a great job but the $170k number sounds better than it is, and it takes a decent time commitment to do well. I have a bachelors in accounting but decided it wasn’t for me so after college I did 2.5 years part time at UPS, and I’ve been driving 4.5 years. Very happy with my decision. Also union dues are $100 a month.
In 2 years you could become an RN and in some states you will start out at $45-$50/hour with state benefits and a pension depending on which hospital you choose. Places with higher COL like northern california nurses at Kaiser start out at $75-$80/hour.
One of the highest earning job you can have without a degree. I worked as a driver for about 6mo, I couldn't handle 10+ work hours in 102 degrees summer days.
This is why it’s so important to discuss your wages with your coworkers. In many states in the US, including California, it is *illegal* to prevent workers from discussing their wages with one another. This is also not rude behavior, it is how you find out that your coworkers might be earning less than you… or that you may be earning less than them. Advocate for yourself, and advocate for your fellow workers. If we *all* ask for the same (higher) wage, what can they do? Fire everyone? I think not.
The only people who do not want to discuss their pay are probably those who feel they are paid more than they should be getting paid (i.e. not paid for performance, but rather for kissing ass)
@@addanametocontinuenah there are lots of situations where it is not beneficial to discuss wages. Human beings are envious by nature and if some positions pay more than others resentment inevitably results, especially if the higher paid job seems "easier".
@@Burt1038 correction* white people are envious and tend to be greedy when knowing certain things. That’s why they’re slick mf’s when it comes to negotiating….nice try
I remember in the 70's if you worked certain jobs you had it made, like being a mail carrier, a UPS driver, or working for the phone company. The same mailman would come to your house for years and sometimes you would give him a Christmas card. Apparently that went away in the 80's. I knew two people in the 80's who used to work for the post office and they said it was the worst job you could have to try to make $30,000 a year.
That's not true for everyone.I have the same usps, ups ,and the local FedEx driver is my neighbor, and we have a good social relationship..Growing up my family even gave the garbage men Christmas gifts because we appreciated the work they do...I don't live in a rural area either.
I work at UPS as a loader in Oklahoma with 130 degree trucks and it's one of the most back breaking heat intensive jobs I've ever had. Becoming a driver would be nice but dear god it seems so out of reach with how many people are on the waiting list trying to be one. The benefits after 9 months is all I'm looking forward to at the moment.
hang in their man . what I would do is find a busier hub so you can advance faster. contact your hr for feeder driver trust me you will like it better more hrs and hardly no lifting just drop and hook.i started as warehouse then went package driver for Christmas season and after season. was done they let everyone go except the ones that were ups employees we went back to warehouse. I went and talked to hr about feeder driver and they put me on the list. im in Chicago so I git to choose 5 hubs and I picked the biggest one because they would call faster. I got the call and they will train you for cdl class A but I already had my class A. you will never look back brother stick with it and contact your HR. good luck
Seriously y’all have no damn idea what actual back breaking work is. I worked as a package handler for UPS and that position was way harder than the drivers would ever have it. I had to load 1000 plus packages an hour with little to no breaks making 15 an hour while ya lazy fucks got to sit around half the time in the truck. Now that I am in the construction field I can happily say that you are a massive baby if you think your job is back breaking work and deserves as much pay as it does.
Was in the same boat. During the summer you, not exaggerating, you sweat so much it looks like you jumped into a swimming pool with your clothes on. I'm number 4 in line for the driver position at my hub, but the only opening are when someone retires which is few and very far between
It’s because of their Union! They just fought tooth and nail for that increase and threatened to strike! Good on them! Unions are so important. Declining union memberships coincides with declining wages
Also, why do worker unions even need to threaten a strike to get to the negotiation table? Why can't US companies simply have worker representatives in the management boards?
@brianatippens3010 m ok net doesn’t come out of thin air. These raises are paid for by raising costs to ship product. So the costs just get passed on to the consumer. This is unsustainable, eventually there will be a breaking point.
I’ve worked at UPS going on 37 years. The amount of people I come across that tell me they used to work at UPS is amazing. Most people can’t handle the physicality of the job.
Basically, if you were furloughed or allowed to "work from home" during the pandemic, then you have limited negotiating power. If you were told that you were "essential" and had to come in or lose your job (like me and millions of others), then you have maximum leverage at this point in time, and need to use it to your benefit - especially if you are in a union. If not, then now is the time to get unionized. The pandemic revealed which jobs are absolutely vital to the overall health of the economy and which jobs aren't. If your job was one of the vital ones, then you need to negotiate for a salary/wage and benefits package that will withstand the ravages of inflation for a long while into the future. Because it will probably be a long while before the average American worker has this kind of negotiating power again.
Accountants are a bit of both - we were labeled essential but also told we could work from home. I got a "please dont quit" raise and comp package from my employer recently.
Unionization is not the clear answer for every field. I'd even say NOT unionizing is the best course of action for a majority of fields. Unionization is good now because there are positive incentives between unions and the unionized. That is not guaranteed to be the case for most fields within the next 2 years. Use your own judgment, but I'd advise against telling people that it's a good idea as a blanket-solution to unionize.
@@jdrancho1864union should be banned, they are bad for the company, the people, and the whole society. Only a few lazy people are benefiting from it, but those people are those for deserve it the less.
@SokiHime My union comments were more so directed towards Amazon workers and such. From experience, I know that the UPS work environment is no cakewalk, even with a union. And with all the "horror" stories that I hear coming from Amazon workers, I think now would be the perfect time for them to unionize. Bezos has made enough easy money off of their labor. It's time that Amazon starts to properly "break bread," so to speak, with its hardworking employees that help turn them into a company that is literally worth a TRILLION dollars.
As a former FedEx delivery driver under the southern coastal heat/humidty, yeah the job is rough. Many people don't comprehend how stressful it is on the _body_ (not the mind) to be operating in those ovens of a truck. It's a breath and breeze of fresh air to step outside the truck. I envied Construction workers and Lawn Carers. I also worked years in glass factory next to a 1400 degree furnace. I know about working in heat.
Every time some paper pusher wonders “why is this unskilled laborer well paid” they get closer to learning that there is no such thing as unskilled labor
unskilled means you dont need specialized training to perform the tasks. you're not srsly suggesting that doctors dont go to school for decades and that its the same as driving a truck and putting a box on a porch...
@@FractalPrism.Nobody is saying it's the same. Skilled work, like many things, is on a spectrum. And yes, you do need training to drive this brown trucks.
@@vanguard6937According to this video UPS has a book with 340 very specific time-saving techniques to master. Anybody can cut boards & nail together a deck. The skilled person does it to code & updated techniques to prevent repeating previous collapses.
More importantly, there are factors other than skill that determine salary. That's the biggest takeaway from stories like this. That's good by the way; difficulty of work should also be a factor, as should replaceability and desirability.
I worked at UPS as a package loader in the early 2000's on the "twilight" shift. I remember it being very decent in terms of pay and benefits at the time, especially for a college student. What many of the news articles seem to gloss over is just how physically demanding this job actually is. I put on about 10lbs of muscle working there for six months. We'd work almost non-stop for 5-6 hours per shift lifting boxes off the belt (and sometimes the floor level), scanning QR's, verifying the zip code, and loading the "wall" inside the truck. These article also miss the fact that the drivers were the top tier in terms of seniority. At the hub where I worked, you had to spend about 5 years at the warehouse before even being considered for a driver role. So yeah, $90k+ for unskilled labor is pretty good, but these folks are typically the ones that choose this for a career, or end up finding this is the best way to feed their families and get some level of medical and benefits. Congrats to the hard workers at UPS -- well deserved!
I worked as a UPS helper during the winter season. The guys were putting in lots of hours a day during this time. They weren't done until 11pm. So much of it is muscle memory too, which takes time to build.
I honestly don't know how you could gain any muscle mass from doing repetitive factory work for extended periods of time without being on some type of drug to stimulate muscle growth. These types of jobs don't make you stronger. They break you down. You end up overworking the same muscle groups to the extent of overexertion, and then you end up doing that for multiple days a week. I had a two-year stint where I went to the gym constantly for Two Plus hours a day working out different muscle groups in plateaued at 155. When I graduated trade I dropped to 150, and ended up having to drop the career after 4 years.
For employees throughout most of the European Union 48 hours per week is the maximum hours working hours per week. This means 8 or 9 hours permitted overtime. Also vacations plus public holidays is compulsory as is employers social insurance
Yeah but we live in the US where if you don't work 80hrs a week you can't afford to live and you're considered lazy. You know, because life is supposed to be about working and how much money you make.
I'm at the 6:34 mark and as a UPSer's wife, I agree!!!! I can't wait to show this to my husband this video. Lol He's not going to be making $170K a year. Maybe $100K... but its going to be over the course of 5 years when this contract expires. 🤷🏾♀️
They do not make 170K! The average full time is probably 60K-90K. The most most senior drivers in 4-5 years working huge overtime could make over 120K.
It's total comp, not base salary. So figure the value of the pension, healthcare, max allowed OT, etc. But 170k sounds flashier, so that's what gets shouted.
sadly more than I make and I work in cancer testing and analysis, for which I needed 6 years of college and multiple certifications to do, for 24 an hour....
I worked at UPS a few years back; I noticed many drivers close to retirement could hardly make it out the door. It may be good money, but you’re lucky if you make it out with no surgeries.
Maybe true in your case, but not true across the board. UPS drivers are like anyone. Those who don't take care of their bodies don't age well. I've lifted weights my whole life, have zero issues and am retiring in 6 months.
@@SaySomethingWorthHearing I was a package handler but changed jobs after graduating college. I saw many, not all had knee braces and joint problems. But, true, there were a few who worked out and took really good care of themselves.
@@miguelitoroman7103 There are a number of guys at my hub who have shoulder issues or have bad knees, but they got them playing football in HS or college so limping and working at UPS doesn't necessarily mean someone got that limp from UPS. I've also noticed that most guys with bad knees are overweight. Go figure.
Some trades are like that. Every now and then, a lot of people rush into welding...then leave because of the harm to eyes and lungs. An older guy who was a carpenter told me he wished someone had told him how much easier electrician work was on your body than 'pounding the planks', and he would have done that instead.
Decently paid, unionized, factory workers I saw through summer work...I remember seeing 'Planet of the Apes' (2001) and thinking 'The apes walk like all the older, hurt, people at the factory. Even jobs where a person was watching a machine and waiting for materials to run out, waiting for something to happen...no chairs, no leaning/half standing chair. Just grey cement in four directions and concrete and steel grid floors everywhere. Awful setting.
I like how they call drivers “unskilled”. A commercial vehicle license costs thousands of dollars, takes years of experience, and comes with a lot of responsibilities and restrictions. Driving a building size object backwards into tight spaces with pinpoint precision is NOT easy. I should know, given that I drive a semi.
@@samwise5493 Double/Triple, Tank/Hazmat, and a motorcycle (not precisely relevant, but still). Also wreckers and oversized flatbed and specialized loads. I’ve done it all. Single tractor trailer might be the “easy” option by comparison, but it all takes skill.
Remember when your teacher told you,”Study hard and get good grades or you’ll end up as a garbage man!” All the time the garbage man was making much more than the smart teacher. LOL
That's literally me. Im a college drop out that lives in Vegas. I clean stoves at night in a casino and get paid more, have better benefits, and a lot less stress than teachers do.
@@Diviine_xoxoThey did. My mathematics teacher used to use garbage men and radio announcers as a sign of degrading jobs with no real skills. He definitely couldn't foresee the podcast industry lol or how being a garbage person is one of the most stable jobs ever. He eventually had lots of mental issues when he retired. 🤷♀️
I don't understand why so many people say tons of jobs are unskilled. A CDL driver is a very skilled job. At what point are we calling a job a "skilled job"? It's absolutely ridiculous.
It usually has to do with whether the job requires years of high education or vocational training before you can even start. For instance, a new employee can be trained to pack groceries at a mart or lay bricks in a construction site much faster than you could teach a plumber to diagnose and fix a leak or a doctor to prescribe just the right amount of a certain drug to treat an illness.
It does depend on the definition. Like I’d wager I could get a CDL faster than a truck driver can get to my level of network engineering and cybersecurity… and neither of us would be writing medical prescriptions anytime soon.
$102K in 5 years, benefits and pensions will make up the rest. It is a good result, but it shows that all numbers are being manipulated… at least in a union you have a group of people fighting with you to keep a good salary.
Not a manipulation if you add in overtime which we all get. 102k is base. 140-170k gross wages is the average one can expect after 4 years with benefits on top of this figure, plus even more if you join a sleeper team that goes cross country.
I agree with a lot of these points but I think a large obvious fact that was omitted is that UPS workers have a union that allowed the workers to collectively fight for better wages when the company was not giving the workers their share of the company's profits therefore UPS workers were able to fight for their fair share of it.
It was discreetly mentioned as, 'negotiating power.' But yes, a Union is what provides the negotiating power by facillitating collective concentration of power via demonstrations and mediation.
We do have a strong union, but I was in management for 7 years and it says right in the management policy book in the founder's words that 'we will pay our employees a good living wage to be able to support themselves and their families' so our founders' intentions from the start was to be a more 'fair' company than many others. Corporate greed is everywhere so the union has absolutely helped, but the company itself was founded on good principles.@@jeffbenton6183
Biggest impact for me financially is understanding how to calculate my contributing value to a job and within a company. Made negotiating pay so much easier, and less contentious.
@@nyob4938 Long story short I got a corp wellness job and befriended the VP of Finance at the job site. I told him I was thinking about asking for a raise. Since he know the contract his company had with my bosses he looked up the info and went over it with me. Fair warning, the first time you do this is humbling and educational. He explained to me what the numbers meant... and then what the numbers really meant. These are things you can learn on your own from books on starting your own business that goes into hiring employees. The main trick is to understand what what gives the most 'perceived value' to the company. You may not contribute directly to that metric but every one contributes in some way to it. You find out what the metric is and do the math of your contribution to it.
I’m a full time salesman for a food distributor but I’ve been working at the airport for ups for almost 5 years part time. I know some drivers who have multiple homes and drive range rovers at my facility but they’ve all been there 20 plus years. I do it just for the insurance and college tuition. They’ve almost paid off my entire bachelors degree and I’m only part time.
UPS is a good company to work for. Even in the warehouse. Great benefits. It boggles my mind that anyone could be upset these guys make this money. Instead of being upset, perhaps see what you can do to either join them, or beat them.
UPS drivers are hard to replace because they've been trained on thier job to be efficient but Amazon drivers get replaced or quit despite being trained. I've watched several Amazon drivers on RUclips describing how thier trained. What I'm saying is that UPS's driver training doesnt make them irreplaceable when the non unionized delivery drivers get replaced easily. It's union protections and union solidarity that gets them good wages.
Well not necessarily. Truth is somewhere in the middle. Do note that amazon's drivers were not as well trained, and amazon has almost completely wiped out their entire workforce under the ridiculous idea that you want people to quite after a few months. Rather than the long game of training employees to deeply know your company so they can do the best work and make you the most money. UPS is playing the long game, while amazon plays the short game. Though unionization is important at some level. Even if its just unofficially as a means of collective bargaining, however there are massive downsides to unionization. In particular I have seen Unions get plants and areas completely shut down. For example the railroad union in livingston montana created so much inefficiency that the railroad just literally shut it down completely. They were paying their workers more than their workers were producing. My company will not touch any unionized convention due to the fact that we have had the unionizes places steal our stuff and break our products multiple times and we just will not put up with it. Balance is the idea. In short people need to be able to work in an environment where the amount of money you produce for the company determines your income. If you are not producing anything, why should you get paid at all? And why should you get paid the same wadge if you make a massive amount of extra money for your company? If workers and employers agree mutually on fair compensation and continue to bargain in good faith, then there are not issues. But once companies started not valuing their employees that is when things went wrong.
Just to give everyone some perspective: I'm both an Amazon stockholder and a skilled trades electrician in a UAW assembly plant in Detroit. I deal with robots(in body shop) and automation so I'm in favor of automation but also it's going to be a while before humans can be replaced in assembly. Robots and AI have a ways to go but politics is a factor too.
Sitting here in my 18 wheeler on my lunch break at the Big Brown with a college degree from a Tier 1 State university and my only regret is NOT starting this job loading trailers in high school or right after graduation. I “lucked” into the job during the pandemic as they were the only ones hiring to load trailers. I’ve only been here for a little over 3.5 years and this job is life changing for a guy like me, immigrants son, no connections, no trust fund, no help for school, no help from daddy, etc etc. This is truly the “Lift Yourself up by the Bootstraps” job they keep talking about. I’m glad I went to the military to not have to take out debt for a piece of paper. CALL THE UNION!!!
After living life for 60 years I have concluded some people do much better in life then others and often it has nothing to do with planning or hard work or very little to do with planning or hard work.
Good for them. They work hard. All investors want to hear about is profits and who can blame them, thats what they went to school for. America needs quality of life and we get that by giving people more money and opportunities.
I'm waiting for some ACT/SAT ace student telling his high-school guidance counselor that he wants to be a UPS driver rather than waste 4 years & $100K on a degree.
@@johnyewtube2286 It truly depends on the college or university. In the US, in-state tuition costs less because your family pays state taxes. The 2 univerisities I went to in the mid 2010s charged about $31,000/year and $8,500/year respectively. So yeah, you can get a basic 4 year degree for $34,000 if you go to a "lowly state school", but I think some people factor room and board whenever they estimate $100k. Especially since all freshmen are required to stay on campus unless they live within a certain driving distance or fit other specific parameters (at least in my state).
ACT/SAT ace students can also be awarded scholarships by various schools. Some can even get a full ride if they’re ambitious enough. Then there are all kinds of scholar programs. The 100k debt sounds like an amalgamation of private undergrad, out of state tuition, grad programs, and professional school factored in.
I agree with you, but I would add it also depends on what state you live in. In PA, the cheapest degree you can get would be about $48,000 if you commute to a community college and then commute to a state school. The average tuition and fees for a state school in PA is 26k so that is 104k for a degree. This would include room and board as well though which I didn’t include in the 48k estimate.
@@ilovezzz2012 I agree that a high-scoring applicant can get a nice scholarship - as I had done it myself back in the '80s (back when the tuition was low enough that a nice scholarship more or less meant free room & board). But I also wanted to get across the idea that guidance counselors always want their top students to "shoot for the Moon", and go to Boutique U rather than State U - and I could see a weak-personality student buying all the craap and spending a lot more than xe has to. But even then, a job paying really well right out of the gate could be worth it to being a regular college grad and an oppressive office job at (non-overtime) salary.
A few drivers at my hub come in at 3 am to help load their trucks and then they're out delivering until 6-7 pm. 7 days a week. they are some of the hardest workers I've ever seen
Yeah people forget its all supply and demand. 40 years ago, a college degree was much more rare and therefore much more valuable. Almost everyone has a degree now, so that's no longer a differentiator, and now the new separator is those still willing to do brutal blue collar work in the 21st century.
I've been at UPS since 1988 and have no issues. Why would you make that claim? It's not a bad idea for anyone who's older to have life insurance if they have a family. UPS drivers are like anyone else. If you don't take care of your health, you're not going to age well.
I am a proud UPS driver (again lol, didn't expect that to happen) and I have lots of time to listen to videos and audio books like this in rural areas. The financial system ate the rest of the economy. baked into every single price you see is a dozen plus middlemen (mostly to pay interest on debts) for every person and thing along the way. this is inherent to fiat currency as it is born with interest owed and those dollars have to come from somewhere (printing is part of it, credit creation is the vast, vast majority.) Wages can never keep up with a system in a death spiral. I grow potatoes and more, I suggest you do the same.
My dad has been with ups for 38yrs & back then there was no CDL needed for UPS. If you could drive a semi you got the job during the interviews. He started PT brown small truck. He's been FT and drives 2 18 wheeler hitches every night M-F 3pm- 2am off weekends. He inspects his semi and then drives. He doesn't load or unload, just drives it. He put in his time to get a position like this. Great benefits and 8+ weeks of vacations. He's been a semi driver for them as long as I can remember and I'm 34yrs. My dad clears that $170k and then some. My mom was able to retire early bc of this. They were able to build a 4 bedroom house in the country on 1acre of land with 4 kids (family of 6) and there wasn't nonthing we ever needed to worry about growing up. My dad has always had job security. Great job if your the semi drivers ❤
Not only have average wages not kept up with inflation, except for UPS, but CEOs used to make $20 to every $1 an employee made back in the 60s. Now they make $320 to every $1. Meaning their pay has outpaced inflation while your pay stayed stagnant. Be pissed off
newsflash, it's like this in almost all outdoor, physically demanding jobs. i work in chemical manufacturing running reactors and senior employees easily ear $40-50/hour, have medical, dental, life insurance, 401ks, a pension, and overtime pay. the tradeoff is usually you have to work a rotating day/night schedule, you're outside, you're exposed to dangerous machinery, and the job is pretty stressful. the thing is that most people can earn a very good wage, but it usually isnt worth it. the high paying jobs are the ones noone wants to do. sitting in an office on a computer pays $50k/year because everyone wants that job. running a reactor in an outdoor facility in texas pays $110k/year because noone wants to do it.
5:54 this was tried on me. I was given a bullshit title, with significantly more, and more complicated, workload. Offer was made by Mr. Bullshit at the company, a cocky young slideshow pusher. Said that I would be "part of the family". But no pay increase. I declined. They were furious. Numerous execs told me that I'm sabotaging the company by not helping them advance. I said that would imply their willingness to pay for such advancement. I quit shortly thereafter. They were very sourfaced.
To put it in simple terms : Your best way to get a better wage and improve working conditions is to unionize. We've known it for about 150 years. Also, promotion without a pay raise, why would anyone accept that ? "Hey! do you you want to do more things and have more reponsibility for the same pay?"
They definitely don’t make $170K it’s total compensation. UPS and the other logistics services definitely cannot wait for when self-driving and other automation tech will save tremendous costs.
Don't take it out on the people who fought for their raises, take it out on the people who don't pay you fairly. "Why should McDonalds workers be paid as much as EMS drivers?" is being used to say we should pay retail and service industry workers less, rather than say we should be paying EMS drivers more.
WE SHOULD BE PAYING THEM MORE. My god I thought about becoming an EMT part time and I was amazed. They literally save lives and there's a national shortage. I thought, oh cool they probably have competitive salaries. Boy I was wrong.
@@juliekring7574lmao i made 13 an hour as an emt 2 years ago. I quit and now i work at a paint factory making 29 an hour. There’s a good reason why there’s an ems shortage
It is criminal how low emt get paid. My last employer had 50 paramedics on payroll, I was an executive and I hated how they were treated by doctors and nurses. Like red headed step children.
I'm an ER nurse in Texas and I have no idea what the stupid bastards in this State are so vehemently _against_ unionizing. In Texas, new nurses start at about $21/hr. In unionized states (like CA and MN,) nurses start at $42/hr. Texas staff nurses _never_ get to that rate. You have to leave the hospital and go to work for an agency (like I do) to get more that about $38/hr. And _that's_ after about 15 years on the floor. Nurses need to organize and then stick together.
I'm a loader at UPS. It's NOT for the weak (I'm not being dramatic). When I started I would talk to hiring managers and drivers about working there, and they would all tell me just how physically & mentally demanding it was, I didn't take their words seriously as I have worked construction, landscaping, farm. But this shit is just different, the jobs themselves are easy, but the physicality will make you question all your life decisions. Can't tell you how many times I was cussing this job. I wish nobody was even talking about UPS because now we got all these ass clowns from Joes Sloppy Joe. I'm aiming to become a driver, money is good sure but at what cost. Also drivers don't make $170k lmao
in 5 years we will be close man . become a feeder driver and save your knees and back. contact your hr and get on that list don't go package go feeder because your home every day and work between 10 to 12 a day but the money is worth it . be safe
@@sychavez7269 nah man I like the physicality of delivery driving. I’ve worked for Fedex & Amazon as a delivery driver and I love the rush it’ll give you.
Also to note, this is a physically/mentally demanding line of work. Even if driving, you’ve long hours to yourself alone in routine challenging climates & environments. Part of why the insurance package is plush off the cuff is that injuries are typical. Thank goodness the value proposition of package delivered to money paid is juicy. Having worked in UPS for 1.5 yrs, longest our warehouse went without a major injury was 2 mo, & that was at the largest location in the US.
Genuinely curious: why are there so many injuries? Do they have to carry the boxes onto the trucks, or is it because the long hours on the road lead to motor vehicle accidents? Or is it because they have to sit for so long?
High majority freak accidents during the loading/unloading of packages. Where possible there's automation (robots, computers, sensors) but still fall short handling odd shaped packages, so someone steps in to load/unload. What repeatedly happens throughout the year is that in peak times are prompted to longer hours/double shifts. Double shifts at one's discretion to do but paid overtime. May be shifted to different roles with say driver helping to load their truck (in low times are trained for said different roles should the usual people be on pto/quit/etc...) which dramatically increases chance of freak accidents. **In peak seasons, you've to be careful when opening a truck or trailor door. Usually filled to the brim & so packages avalanche out when opened. Then there's that of operating machinery which varies by what you're doing/how up to date local warehouse is. Some cases are tradeoffs with say conveyor belts. Yeah covers are installed but on the off chance your clothes snag can mangle you (thing's built to move several tons of material). There being retractable conveyor belts, some even leading into trucks to curve needing to carry 100+ lb items. Gets to be of issue when long hours in, exhausted & not noticing to flip the nearest shut off (there are several on each) in the case of a snag. Also the handling of hazardous packages. They're labeled as such, those handling given training what to do, as well as hazmat teams, but can still lead to freak accidents. Lastly motor vehicle collisions, thankfully training's (for the most part) there to be dummy friendly. Somewhere in the low single digit % by that point. Collisions more so cargo or vehicle damaged but driver safe. More likely vehicle related are health issues with the delivery trucks (usually) not having HVAC, cooking loading/unloading back of trucks mid summer (during the day sun cooks the cargo space, comparable to being in a sauna) or getting caught in snow storm & inversely freezing. @@ruiqi22
@@pauljackson171 Oh, I see... thank you for the explanation! :D That does sound like a really risky job, and I'm glad the people who do that aren't just paid pennies, although no amount of money can make up for a bad accident.
Being a UPS driver socks. Horrible heat, cold, weather, little AC in vehicle, heavy weight and leaking packages are leading to injuries and lost revenues
Residential vans, back in the day, were prohibited from making left hand turns. The reason? Sitting at an intersection, waiting for an opening to cut across lanes of traffic or at a red light wasted time. By exclusively turning right, you could take advantage of the US law where you are allowed to make a right hand turn at a stop sign or red light, because it is considered merging. You aren't "cutting across a lane of traffic", you are "merging" into the adjacent one. By not sitting and waiting, you kept driving. So routes were planned ahead of time to minimize left hand turns, to minimize red lights where you just drive forward across the intersection, and to minimize railroad crossings. So if you could encircle your navigation by going counterclockwise from your central hub, you could essentially drive non-stop
I use to work for ups. the things they don't tell you in this is the drivers... not the employees working the docks... make the big bucks. those on the docks... don't come even close to the amount the drivers do. something else is that unlike most companies which aren't designed for unions. teamsters and UPS worked together from the beginning. Also during peak season, Thanksgiving to Christmas, you work 7 days a week. yes, that's every day between those two holidays. something that also don't talk about is how many times they are forced to work more then they should... they can request 8.5 hours and if they fail to acknowledge this... you can file a grievance against it and make a much larger amount then OT.
I worked many seasonal positions in the Palatine IL hub. It's hard work, odd hours, and a constant turnover of managers. Drivers start their day before you end REM sleep and are on the road way past your 2nd hour in front of the TV.
Professional development would allude that there was adequate funding for training from external parties, training within the company that allows for improvement or management employees who actively participate in the development of their underlings. In my experience, this does not occur at companies operating in North America.
I've never before heard of people including pension contributions and health insurance value as part of a "salary". This seems to be highly misleading.
I worked at a company where the surest way to end a meeting with the CEO (regardless of how many people where there), was to have an hourly employee show up with an issue or question, even if they were the lowest paid employee in the company. They are categorized as “direct labour” for a reason.
Dam, US work laws suck. In my country, every overtime you do must be paid a bonus, and if you work on sundays or holidays, that bonus is double. My country may lack in several areas, but it is nice to know that we got something right.
in the USA overtime is 1.5x pay (over 8hrs a day, 40hrs a week, 7th consecutive day) doubletime is 2x (over 12hrs in a day, over 60hrs a week, 7th day) Quad is 4x (over 16, 80)
You'd be surprised at some of the loopholes like "professionals", aka accountants, lawyers, doctors, etc. often aren't entitled to any kind of overtime compensation. Managers are also often exempt.
@@milesmcstylezThe law used to exempt overtime for management if the minimum salary was $12K a year a few decades ago. That was absurdly bad even then. Now it's in the $40K's.
12+ hours a day for truck drivers is normal for most drivers, at least here in Chicagoland. (not ups) If you have the drive, then drive. Because money.
I've known two different UPS drivers and one Fed Ex drivers and ALL of them had medical problems relating to their work. It is extremely physically demanding, grueling work and they earn every penny they make. UPS also has a policy that you lose your position as a driver if you are involved in two accidents whether you are at fault or not. And I don't mean in a month or a year or five years I mean EVER. So if you have somebody else run into your truck and it happens to you twice in your career you are done as a driver.
Maybe if the dollar wasn't being basically devalued then wages wouldn't HAVE to keep climbing up infinitely to allow us to afford basics and a little leisure.
dude, if the economy grows, you have to pump more money into it, otherwise you end up with deflation. If there is more money in an economy, you need to have more to still be able to buy the same as before. Just by growing your economy, you have to make the workers wages grow. Of course devalued currencies make you need more money as well, but needing higher wages every year (unless economy contracts) is very much built into capitalism's fabric.
About the efficiency that comes with practice and experience. In our job of logistics deliveries we'd sometimes be required to use temps. Invariably, they would come back from a route 50% later than scheduled, and totally worn out, to the point that for the next shift we'd get a different driver, every time. Another reason for touting this eye-catching figure is to put pressure on Amazon and FedEx, UPS' main competitors. Both are non-union, and both use a contractor system that leaves drivers with the crumbs left on the plate. And since it is harder to get people excited over pensions and other non-financial benefits, it makes sense for the Teamsters to put a dollar figure on it to juice the number. Also, like the salaried workers mentioned in the report, overtime pay is not mandatory in the trucking industry. UPS is exceptional in that getting time and a half is more in line of what somebody working an hourly wage would expect.
You can call the UPS drivers unskilled. But the training they go through has a 50%-90% washout rate and many of them go 30 years without an accident or an injury working 60-hour weeks and driving millions of miles. So now tell me, do the results sound "unskilled"?
I worked in a UPS hub for years, worked as a cook at a restaurant and an engineer with a degree. The toughest minute by minute job was line cooking. The toughest pressure and longest hours was as an engineer. The most boring job was at UPS. At this point, if I could switch to the highly paid driver, I would do it. I'm first and foremost a family man. At this point in my life, I need the cash to help us get out of credit card and student debt. And for those who did not do the math, overtime is usually up for grabs to the ones with the highest seniority. Most union workers want to go home after they get their 40 hours in. That was my experience then and I don't doubt it has changed. 15 hours of overtime is an average. Some drivers chose to work 30 hours OT. IF it was just 15 OT, it would still be (44*40 + 44*1.5*15)*52 = $143,000/yr
I recently inherited almost $500k. I REALLY need to make this money work for me, and not just disappear over time. I've been scrambling for somewhere to put the money, where I can make an effort to use the gains to pay bills so I can quit my job . All roads have pointed to the financial market of some sort which is a good idea buh where else should I put money besides the financial market? We have a 13% RPI rate so cash is tough.
Yep great question and that’s always the one - where would you rather be if you have an option. Personally I’m always invested aside from a small emergency fund. Financial-market for me seem the only way forward with my long time horizon (accrued almost $1.4m in gains since 2020 ) but if you don’t have that fortune of time it’s a tough market out there almost nowhere feels safe! . Just know the risk you're comfortable with . Mistake is expensive
very informative, one option I suppose is, if you were to invest a set amount buy the whole share in a ETF and the remainder could go into a index for which would allow you to purchase the fractional shares, is that an option?
well a million in profit is a nice milestone, how did you achieve that? I guess you have a proven trading strategy that you've spent a lot on please share more info !! and YES i dont want to make
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If anyone ever told me I will be randomly be surfing on the net and come across individuals talk about Camille will for sure doubt but this is crazy I know her and love her strategy so more wow thanks for preaching the gospel…
My neighbor has worked for UPS for over 20 years and has made a great living for his family. He brings home over 125k with overtime. He sold is 3rd house about a year and a half ago that was used for rental. Still has 2 houses of which he lives in one and the other is on the same street. All that physical work for over 20 years, he deserves it.
I love the fact that a driver with no degree can drive around and make deliveries for fairly good money and benefits. And I'm over here in the healthcare industry making maybe a little more than the burger flippers across the street with an optional healthcare plan that doesn't cover anything.
Gal, THIS is why I left being a Pharmacy Tech years ago in 2018! Literally quit my job on one random Friday tecting ny boss that and never had one pharmacy job SINCE. Fuck that "field." I even graduated from a trade school specifically in Pharmacy Tech Field with a graduating paper certificate. They don't care. I made extremely marginally above minimum wage. By cents. I worked for Rite Aid or as I refer to it wrong Aid for 3 years from 2015 to 2018 when I quit and my beginning wage was $8 and change and it was almost minimum wage exactly just above by some cents and then when I left in 2018 I was only like $9.60 after 3 years. I worked at a few other retail pharmacies in the same thing I mean you just paid like $13 an hour and this is pre covid but barely. Basically I could NEVA live off that. Ever.
This is not how money works at UPS. UPS is pissed off that they had to agree to a new contract where union workers receive a fairly reasonable raise. Side Bar- during Covid, when UPS made their record breaking 100$Billion dollars profit - non of us received hazard pay like we were supposed to receive. Yes, some drivers who have been with the company for 15 to 20 years will be making close to 100k - but not all drivers. Since the new contract, UPS have started to layoff half of their drivers and they have decided to cut hours and take away work from their night/local sort - the harassment has grown tenfold. They expect everyone to ramp up production and get paid less, and then when you file grievances they retaliate and take away more work and hours and give it to people with less seniority. The only thin UPS is doing for their employees is making it a super shitty hostile environment that no one enjoys- especially if you work in a smaller center with a weaker union. Management just runs wild with no checks or balances. Don’t believe the hype!
170 annual. They just take 3 years for everything to kick in. UPS drivers have always made bank. They are competitive, senior level positions you need to work your way up to
Data entry job is the most unskilled work I have ever worked as, after working as cleaner, mover, recycling worker, laptop repair and programming. I ended up returning to data entry which gets me pay worse than all those jobs and still work long hour, but I sit in a comfortable chair, not breaking my bad under harsh condition, close to home, still have energy and time to take online course or exercising and my work is low risk. I still have to do as much overtime during audit season, but paper pusher has to push paper.
Business is ideal but I think investment will always put you in place financially for life and if you do it correctly by finding a good investment adviser who can guide you on how to be profitable
What kinds of investments do you make? I totally agree with you. I have a lump sum right now doing next to nothing in a savings account. but it's hard for me to take part in the market right now due to the fulltime nature of my job. it will be way to stressful to combine so i don't even think about-facing it
I invest across the top markets but not by myself though. I follow the guidelines of Larry Kent Burton. you might have heard of him.. I can correctly say he's worth his salt as a investment advisor as his diversification skills are top notch, I say this because i see that in him results as my portfolio grows by averages of 20 to 3O% on a monthly basis, unlike i can say for my IRA which has just been trudging along. my portfolio just mirrors what he place and not just on some particular industries of my choosing
That’s great , your investment advisor must be really good,I have seen testimonies of people using the help of investment advisors in making them more financially stable. Do you mind sharing more info on this person?
I agree with that truck driver. I dont want to be on the road with driverless semi’s. Maybe the tech will get there eventually, but it probably won’t be anytime soon
I worked for the USPS briefly and while the pay was good it wasn't nearly as good as working in IT and it was physically demanding. But when minimum wage is so far from the living wage, 15/hr sounds great. In IT you can make as good or better wages and benefits while working in an environment that you prefer.
Though i cant dispute delivering packages does not require high skill, it is a high effort job fulfilling a service in high demand. Supply and demand dictates the price of your labor not just skill
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I swear to God take that little dog whistle off the video
Hell yeah, Union Strong! Great example of what possible when citizens organize
Just so you know, UPS are full of tyrants! I heard.
The one here in upper east Tennessee is a blk racist POS! I heard.
He only promotes loaders to delivery drivers if you swing with he and his wife. I heard.
He really is a dark overlord (I heard.) I met a guy who told me a story of him getting screwed over because he was told that a residential delivery has video tape of him hitting their vehicle during the delivery. When he asked to see the tape, the racist POS said no, and then proceeded to talk him into resigning instead of firing him, so he couldn’t draw unemployment.
The stuff they get away with is just dirty. I’m so thankful I don’t waste anymore of my life there 🙏🏻. And this is coming from someone who averaged over 16 stops an hour during my 30 day trial time at which I got to day 28 and it was after Christmas before he disqualified me. (He did it because I refused to back out onto a busy main road from the persons driveway after making the residential delivery.) 🤦♂️
Ya'll know for a FACT these MF'Rs don't make 6 Figs.
STOP the CAP!!
"I googled it today out of curiosity and I see numerous articles stating that their union secured a salary increase from ~$145k to $170k. However, a couple of follow-up searches for "UPS driver salary" show more reasonable figures, topping out around $75k"
^ First entry on Google!!
It's cute that the media will quote "total compensation" including all benefits into the $170k number, but when quoting the salary of the CEO they typically only quote the "total cash compensation" of the CEO of $1.1m instead of their total compensation of $5.9m that includes pay in equity which is used to prevent additional taxes involved in paying their CEOs even more.
All of these media platforms work for the oligarchs in question. It's just like all of these media tabloids talking about how 'HoRrIbLe' WFH is.
It sure is convenient that the media, which is owned by rich people, goes out of its way to draw your attention away from wealth inequality. I wonder how that happened? lol
What? All I ever hear is total compensation. Hell, sometimes they'll bring up things that aren't even compensation. The CEO's stock went up by 100 million in value, and people are calling for them to be taxed as if it's income.
You have an absolute zero understanding what you're talking about. The media usually quotes total compensation of CEO's. Example Elon Musk earned 1$ cash salary in 2022, yet everybody is putting billions of earnings on his name. And additionally to that it's not that they just get stock, like you can buy in your brokerage account today. They get either stock options or stocks with different lock out dates. So it's hard to put a value on it. For example you get 1M of stock worth 10$/ea 10M total at today market. But you have a lock out date of 10 years. If the company goes bankrupt in those 10 years you're out of luck, because you can't sell. But if the company's stock goes x10 then it turns out you got 100M, instead of 10M. So it's not as straight forward as you explained. It's understandable, that's why the CEO has this pay structure, while regular workers don't.
Imagine being this much of a socialist idiot. Like seriously dudee
Im a UPS driver. I voluntarily work 6 days a week at almost 60 hours every week. Rain, sleet, snow, heat, vacations, I work EVERY DAY available. That being said, I find it almost insulting that people really think that they can come in here off the street and do this job proficiently. It is NOT a luxury as far as physical labor.
It's a very hard job by the looks of it. Not to mention you're in an oven during the summer and freezing your ass off during winter. I used to do work like that when in high school and college. It was a slog and I much prefer my white collar job to killing myself physically.
I work for a piano manufacturer who does player pianos and we have a daily scheduled UPS driver pickup packages. Many days this includes 20+ boxes that each weigh between 60 and 80 lbs. We call in advanced to let them know when we have days like that so they can come with 2 guys instead of just the driver, but its hard hard work. I know we are not the only company to do that and I have never thought I personally could just walk in and do that job. It looks incredibly difficult. Though I can understand how people can think in their head "yea I can do that" not realizing everything that kind of job entails.
Must be cool stopping by businesses everyday to see all the different walks of life in their element.
Most bookworms are stupid whenever you ask them a kinesthetic question.
Fact 💯
But nope the media would just turn but cream sauce
My dad was a UPS driver for about 40 years (just recently retired) and really you have to be full-time, tenured, and work MANY hours to make that much. I know my dad was making 6 figures but honestly, the hard physical work he was putting in was pretty taxing. He would come home absolutely drenched in sweat from having to work 12+ hour days in the summer with no AC. The tenured full time workers are really the only ones who make good money, but it's at a pretty high cost.
Hell I’d take it considering I work pretty much 100% of the day outside as a maintenance tech in 10+hours a day for $35,0000 in South GA. And I’m on my feet all day 😂
Did it keep him in shape in the long run or cause degradation of his body?
@@samueljaworski5737 He was in really good shape while working but gained a bunch of weight once he retired since now he's not moving as much.
@@roderickhockaday5715 move man. you deserve much more for your hard work. Thank you all for what you do for this country, you're getting royally screwed.
Not worth it. There are less burdensome ways of making even more than that.
Imagine working at UPS and having your friends and family believe you earn $170,000 annually...
I’m not angry at them for earning it.
I’m angry at my company for not paying us more.
@@infidelheretic923did you watch the video?
@@divinecomedian2
Still watching it.
It was a weird way to estimate their pay. Benefits are harder to calculate.
@@infidelheretic923I really don't feel like getting count benefits towards your pay unless you have the choice to opt out of them to increase your earnings. Health insurance is great but I can't pay a mortgage with it.
@@aneverdayhobbiest2837exactly!!!
Its worth noting that UPS hiring is still internal based. So drivers have to start off as loaders/unloaders then work as sorters before applying for the driving jobs. I worked as an unloader and then sorter, it was exhausting, grueling work. And to be clear the highest paying driving jobs are the semi drivers taking packages from trains to the hubs and theres not a lot of these positions.
Can second being a pre-loader sucks, did it in 2019. Was advertised as a part time job, but ended up being full time hours, and I wasn't prepared to be a full time employee and student. The pay was fine, but was far from enjoyable
I worked at FedEx sorting hub as a second gig right when Covid hit. It was back breaking work which I didn’t mind since I used to do that type of work before I went into a corporate job. I quit because of Covid due to my wife having MS.
@@someguyfromtheinternet5102And they still skimp you out in favor of their deticaded DSPs.
@@keltecdanMS?
@@tbraghavendran Multiple Sclerosis
I’m a driver at UPS. We make $44.42 an hour right now. $49 by the end of contract. So the $170k figure is a 45 hour workweek in 2027 which would bring your wages to about $115k pretax. The other $55k is our benefits and pension contributions that is entirely paid for by UPS, not us workers. Our benefits are very expensive because we have the best package known to man. A million dollar surgery will cost you a $10 copay. Most parts of the country you need to put in years part time at the warehouse before becoming a driver, and after that it takes 4 years as a driver to make “top pay”. So in conclusion it is a great job but the $170k number sounds better than it is, and it takes a decent time commitment to do well. I have a bachelors in accounting but decided it wasn’t for me so after college I did 2.5 years part time at UPS, and I’ve been driving 4.5 years. Very happy with my decision. Also union dues are $100 a month.
Great comment, explained everything !
@ thanks! Glad to help.
This is the correct comment. Are you rpcd or feeder?
@@aaronrodriguez1410rpcd
In 2 years you could become an RN and in some states you will start out at $45-$50/hour with state benefits and a pension depending on which hospital you choose. Places with higher COL like northern california nurses at Kaiser start out at $75-$80/hour.
One of the highest earning job you can have without a degree. I worked as a driver for about 6mo, I couldn't handle 10+ work hours in 102 degrees summer days.
Insurance ain’t too bad either without a a degree and we can make over 200k
So move to Upper Michigan and take that job.
still 100+ in the car@@swampwiz
I worked as a truck driver to pay for college and it is good, idk if I could do that for a living forever but its good money if u have no family/debt
Summer days separate the men from the boys. 💪
This is why it’s so important to discuss your wages with your coworkers. In many states in the US, including California, it is *illegal* to prevent workers from discussing their wages with one another. This is also not rude behavior, it is how you find out that your coworkers might be earning less than you… or that you may be earning less than them. Advocate for yourself, and advocate for your fellow workers. If we *all* ask for the same (higher) wage, what can they do? Fire everyone? I think not.
It's federally illegal to prevent employees from discussing wages
The only people who do not want to discuss their pay are probably those who feel they are paid more than they should be getting paid (i.e. not paid for performance, but rather for kissing ass)
@@addanametocontinuenah there are lots of situations where it is not beneficial to discuss wages. Human beings are envious by nature and if some positions pay more than others resentment inevitably results, especially if the higher paid job seems "easier".
@@Burt1038 correction* white people are envious and tend to be greedy when knowing certain things. That’s why they’re slick mf’s when it comes to negotiating….nice try
Lol. I think they can very easily fire everyone . We’re all replaceable.
I remember in the 70's if you worked certain jobs you had it made, like being a mail carrier, a UPS driver, or working for the phone company. The same mailman would come to your house for years and sometimes you would give him a Christmas card. Apparently that went away in the 80's. I knew two people in the 80's who used to work for the post office and they said it was the worst job you could have to try to make $30,000 a year.
And that's when we got people "going postal".
All American trouble lead to Ronald Reagan
1985 $30000 is equivalent to $85k now. Not too shabby.
and nowadays they only get 40k @@robnelson6545
That's not true for everyone.I have the same usps, ups ,and the local FedEx driver is my neighbor, and we have a good social relationship..Growing up my family even gave the garbage men Christmas gifts because we appreciated the work they do...I don't live in a rural area either.
I work at UPS as a loader in Oklahoma with 130 degree trucks and it's one of the most back breaking heat intensive jobs I've ever had. Becoming a driver would be nice but dear god it seems so out of reach with how many people are on the waiting list trying to be one. The benefits after 9 months is all I'm looking forward to at the moment.
hang in their man . what I would do is find a busier hub so you can advance faster. contact your hr for feeder driver trust me you will like it better more hrs and hardly no lifting just drop and hook.i started as warehouse then went package driver for Christmas season and after season. was done they let everyone go except the ones that were ups employees we went back to warehouse. I went and talked to hr about feeder driver and they put me on the list. im in Chicago so I git to choose 5 hubs and I picked the biggest one because they would call faster. I got the call and they will train you for cdl class A but I already had my class A. you will never look back brother stick with it and contact your HR. good luck
@@sychavez7269 thank you for the information I'm gonna get on that right away
just relocate and transfer back to where you want to live when you have the postion they cant demote you
Seriously y’all have no damn idea what actual back breaking work is. I worked as a package handler for UPS and that position was way harder than the drivers would ever have it. I had to load 1000 plus packages an hour with little to no breaks making 15 an hour while ya lazy fucks got to sit around half the time in the truck. Now that I am in the construction field I can happily say that you are a massive baby if you think your job is back breaking work and deserves as much pay as it does.
Was in the same boat. During the summer you, not exaggerating, you sweat so much it looks like you jumped into a swimming pool with your clothes on. I'm number 4 in line for the driver position at my hub, but the only opening are when someone retires which is few and very far between
It’s because of their Union! They just fought tooth and nail for that increase and threatened to strike! Good on them! Unions are so important. Declining union memberships coincides with declining wages
Seriously how is this not even one of the three reasons given. Ridiculous video.
Also, why do worker unions even need to threaten a strike to get to the negotiation table? Why can't US companies simply have worker representatives in the management boards?
@@lain2k3The entire video is about explaining the economics and value to company. The unions used all of these reasons to negotiate the new terms.
But how do you convince office workers to unionise?
@brianatippens3010 m ok net doesn’t come out of thin air. These raises are paid for by raising costs to ship product. So the costs just get passed on to the consumer. This is unsustainable, eventually there will be a breaking point.
I’ve worked at UPS going on 37 years. The amount of people I come across that tell me they used to work at UPS is amazing. Most people can’t handle the physicality of the job.
It’s not that… they refuse to work 10-15 years to hit top pay. It’s not like before when it only took a few years to become a driver
@@ImAyBeastit’s only 4 years to make top rate.
@@Mythical444he means to become a driver. It’s not easy
@@carmine6 okay? And I’m talking about hitting top rate, it only takes 4 years
Basically, if you were furloughed or allowed to "work from home" during the pandemic, then you have limited negotiating power. If you were told that you were "essential" and had to come in or lose your job (like me and millions of others), then you have maximum leverage at this point in time, and need to use it to your benefit - especially if you are in a union. If not, then now is the time to get unionized. The pandemic revealed which jobs are absolutely vital to the overall health of the economy and which jobs aren't. If your job was one of the vital ones, then you need to negotiate for a salary/wage and benefits package that will withstand the ravages of inflation for a long while into the future. Because it will probably be a long while before the average American worker has this kind of negotiating power again.
Accountants are a bit of both - we were labeled essential but also told we could work from home. I got a "please dont quit" raise and comp package from my employer recently.
Unionization is not the clear answer for every field.
I'd even say NOT unionizing is the best course of action for a majority of fields.
Unionization is good now because there are positive incentives between unions and the unionized.
That is not guaranteed to be the case for most fields within the next 2 years.
Use your own judgment, but I'd advise against telling people that it's a good idea as a blanket-solution to unionize.
@@SokiHime Tell that to the police unions across the country. Tell that to the NFL, NBA, and MLB players' union.
@@jdrancho1864union should be banned, they are bad for the company, the people, and the whole society.
Only a few lazy people are benefiting from it, but those people are those for deserve it the less.
@SokiHime My union comments were more so directed towards Amazon workers and such. From experience, I know that the UPS work environment is no cakewalk, even with a union. And with all the "horror" stories that I hear coming from Amazon workers, I think now would be the perfect time for them to unionize. Bezos has made enough easy money off of their labor. It's time that Amazon starts to properly "break bread," so to speak, with its hardworking employees that help turn them into a company that is literally worth a TRILLION dollars.
As a former FedEx delivery driver under the southern coastal heat/humidty, yeah the job is rough. Many people don't comprehend how stressful it is on the _body_ (not the mind) to be operating in those ovens of a truck. It's a breath and breeze of fresh air to step outside the truck. I envied Construction workers and Lawn Carers. I also worked years in glass factory next to a 1400 degree furnace. I know about working in heat.
It’s brutal
They deserve every penny. They work an intense job that never has enough time in the day.
For real.
I guess Amazon drivers who have to pee in bottles for $12 an hour are 💩 out of luck
@momoneyinvesting hey, we UPS drivers invented peeing in bottles 😂
@@momoneyinvestingthey can always apply at ups but it’s not easy becoming a driver at ups like Amazon
@@hansolo3991 😂
Every time some paper pusher wonders “why is this unskilled laborer well paid” they get closer to learning that there is no such thing as unskilled labor
unskilled means you dont need specialized training to perform the tasks.
you're not srsly suggesting that doctors dont go to school for decades and that its the same as driving a truck and putting a box on a porch...
@@FractalPrism.Nobody is saying it's the same. Skilled work, like many things, is on a spectrum.
And yes, you do need training to drive this brown trucks.
@@vanguard6937According to this video UPS has a book with 340 very specific time-saving techniques to master. Anybody can cut boards & nail together a deck. The skilled person does it to code & updated techniques to prevent repeating previous collapses.
@@FractalPrism. Wtf driving a truck skill essential.
More importantly, there are factors other than skill that determine salary. That's the biggest takeaway from stories like this.
That's good by the way; difficulty of work should also be a factor, as should replaceability and desirability.
I worked at UPS as a package loader in the early 2000's on the "twilight" shift. I remember it being very decent in terms of pay and benefits at the time, especially for a college student. What many of the news articles seem to gloss over is just how physically demanding this job actually is. I put on about 10lbs of muscle working there for six months. We'd work almost non-stop for 5-6 hours per shift lifting boxes off the belt (and sometimes the floor level), scanning QR's, verifying the zip code, and loading the "wall" inside the truck. These article also miss the fact that the drivers were the top tier in terms of seniority. At the hub where I worked, you had to spend about 5 years at the warehouse before even being considered for a driver role. So yeah, $90k+ for unskilled labor is pretty good, but these folks are typically the ones that choose this for a career, or end up finding this is the best way to feed their families and get some level of medical and benefits. Congrats to the hard workers at UPS -- well deserved!
Getting paid to lift 😊
@@markrichards7452Lol that’s what some of the staff say, it’s like working at the gym
Lol, if you need 5 years experience, I don’t think you count as unskilled labor.
Just Say’n.
I worked as a UPS helper during the winter season. The guys were putting in lots of hours a day during this time. They weren't done until 11pm. So much of it is muscle memory too, which takes time to build.
I honestly don't know how you could gain any muscle mass from doing repetitive factory work for extended periods of time without being on some type of drug to stimulate muscle growth.
These types of jobs don't make you stronger. They break you down. You end up overworking the same muscle groups to the extent of overexertion, and then you end up doing that for multiple days a week.
I had a two-year stint where I went to the gym constantly for Two Plus hours a day working out different muscle groups in plateaued at 155. When I graduated trade I dropped to 150, and ended up having to drop the career after 4 years.
For employees throughout most of the European Union 48 hours per week is the maximum hours working hours per week. This means 8 or 9 hours permitted overtime. Also vacations plus public holidays is compulsory as is employers social insurance
Yeah but we live in the US where if you don't work 80hrs a week you can't afford to live and you're considered lazy. You know, because life is supposed to be about working and how much money you make.
@@adamrushka8096 Americans objectively lost WW2.
Most people don't realize that 100k a year today is the same purchase power at 50k a year in 1993.
Do you realize that most jobs don’t pay no where near this…especially in the south…I work a ton a ton of OT hard stressful work…for way less
and your rent / mortage is a lot less in the south vs in NY, CA etc
Forty years ago, making 100k per year, you were rich. Now, 100k per year, you're just keeping your head above water.
Yep
@@steflift5165I’m so sick of hearing that shit. Nobody is forcing anyone to live in NY CA shitholes
So $170k a year is bullsh*t. What a surprise.
I'm at the 6:34 mark and as a UPSer's wife, I agree!!!! I can't wait to show this to my husband this video. Lol He's not going to be making $170K a year. Maybe $100K... but its going to be over the course of 5 years when this contract expires. 🤷🏾♀️
They do not make 170K! The average full time is probably 60K-90K. The most most senior drivers in 4-5 years working huge overtime could make over 120K.
pension is huge
and healthcare
It's total comp, not base salary. So figure the value of the pension, healthcare, max allowed OT, etc. But 170k sounds flashier, so that's what gets shouted.
sadly more than I make and I work in cancer testing and analysis, for which I needed 6 years of college and multiple certifications to do, for 24 an hour....
Do you work for them? My family member says most peaked out full-timers are pushing a take home of 80-100K right now.
I worked at UPS a few years back; I noticed many drivers close to retirement could hardly make it out the door. It may be good money, but you’re lucky if you make it out with no surgeries.
Maybe true in your case, but not true across the board. UPS drivers are like anyone. Those who don't take care of their bodies don't age well. I've lifted weights my whole life, have zero issues and am retiring in 6 months.
@@SaySomethingWorthHearing I was a package handler but changed jobs after graduating college. I saw many, not all had knee braces and joint problems. But, true, there were a few who worked out and took really good care of themselves.
@@miguelitoroman7103 There are a number of guys at my hub who have shoulder issues or have bad knees, but they got them playing football in HS or college so limping and working at UPS doesn't necessarily mean someone got that limp from UPS. I've also noticed that most guys with bad knees are overweight. Go figure.
Some trades are like that.
Every now and then, a lot of people rush into welding...then leave because of the harm to eyes and lungs.
An older guy who was a carpenter told me he wished someone had told him how much easier electrician work was on your body than 'pounding the planks', and he would have done that instead.
Decently paid, unionized, factory workers I saw through summer work...I remember seeing 'Planet of the Apes' (2001) and thinking 'The apes walk like all the older, hurt, people at the factory. Even jobs where a person was watching a machine and waiting for materials to run out, waiting for something to happen...no chairs, no leaning/half standing chair. Just grey cement in four directions and concrete and steel grid floors everywhere. Awful setting.
I like how they call drivers “unskilled”. A commercial vehicle license costs thousands of dollars, takes years of experience, and comes with a lot of responsibilities and restrictions. Driving a building size object backwards into tight spaces with pinpoint precision is NOT easy. I should know, given that I drive a semi.
Driving a semi is way harder than driving a two ton....I imagine. A two ton is like driving a U-haul.
Semis are easy, truck and trailer is worse. Triple b's will test you
@@samwise5493 Double/Triple, Tank/Hazmat, and a motorcycle (not precisely relevant, but still). Also wreckers and oversized flatbed and specialized loads. I’ve done it all. Single tractor trailer might be the “easy” option by comparison, but it all takes skill.
Skills doesn't matter, its value that counts.
@@platinum9898 Name one thing you own that wasn’t on a truck, including the raw material for manufacturing purposes.
Remember when your teacher told you,”Study hard and get good grades or you’ll end up as a garbage man!” All the time the garbage man was making much more than the smart teacher. LOL
That's literally me. Im a college drop out that lives in Vegas. I clean stoves at night in a casino and get paid more, have better benefits, and a lot less stress than teachers do.
@wesleytoone9479 shoot I need to sign up for that job lol! Entry level tech positions are pretty much dead now
What no one realized is that the garbage man and the sewer inspector are some of the highest paid jobs around because no one wants to do them.
teachers don't really say that do they?
@@Diviine_xoxoThey did. My mathematics teacher used to use garbage men and radio announcers as a sign of degrading jobs with no real skills.
He definitely couldn't foresee the podcast industry lol or how being a garbage person is one of the most stable jobs ever.
He eventually had lots of mental issues when he retired. 🤷♀️
I don't understand why so many people say tons of jobs are unskilled. A CDL driver is a very skilled job. At what point are we calling a job a "skilled job"? It's absolutely ridiculous.
Exactly, all jobs require skills. Not all jobs require college degrees but unfortunately they make it mandatory because of abundance.
It usually has to do with whether the job requires years of high education or vocational training before you can even start.
For instance, a new employee can be trained to pack groceries at a mart or lay bricks in a construction site much faster than you could teach a plumber to diagnose and fix a leak or a doctor to prescribe just the right amount of a certain drug to treat an illness.
I guess if you can’t use Excel you are “unskilled”
Semi-skilled
It does depend on the definition. Like I’d wager I could get a CDL faster than a truck driver can get to my level of network engineering and cybersecurity… and neither of us would be writing medical prescriptions anytime soon.
$102K in 5 years, benefits and pensions will make up the rest.
It is a good result, but it shows that all numbers are being manipulated… at least in a union you have a group of people fighting with you to keep a good salary.
Not a manipulation if you add in overtime which we all get. 102k is base. 140-170k gross wages is the average one can expect after 4 years with benefits on top of this figure, plus even more if you join a sleeper team that goes cross country.
I agree with a lot of these points but I think a large obvious fact that was omitted is that UPS workers have a union that allowed the workers to collectively fight for better wages when the company was not giving the workers their share of the company's profits therefore UPS workers were able to fight for their fair share of it.
He did mention that the Teamster's Union is "one of the strongest in America" and considered it a factor.
It was discreetly mentioned as, 'negotiating power.' But yes, a Union is what provides the negotiating power by facillitating collective concentration of power via demonstrations and mediation.
We do have a strong union, but I was in management for 7 years and it says right in the management policy book in the founder's words that 'we will pay our employees a good living wage to be able to support themselves and their families' so our founders' intentions from the start was to be a more 'fair' company than many others. Corporate greed is everywhere so the union has absolutely helped, but the company itself was founded on good principles.@@jeffbenton6183
don’t spend too much of your life time working otherwise your wife will cheat on you.
UPS drivers are NOT unskilled drivers. They have to go through "driver's school" Last summer in my area 20 went to the school and 2 passed.
And many will drive a million miles accident and injury free.
Biggest impact for me financially is understanding how to calculate my contributing value to a job and within a company. Made negotiating pay so much easier, and less contentious.
How did you do that?
@@nyob4938 Long story short I got a corp wellness job and befriended the VP of Finance at the job site.
I told him I was thinking about asking for a raise. Since he know the contract his company had with my bosses he looked up the info and went over it with me.
Fair warning, the first time you do this is humbling and educational. He explained to me what the numbers meant... and then what the numbers really meant. These are things you can learn on your own from books on starting your own business that goes into hiring employees.
The main trick is to understand what what gives the most 'perceived value' to the company. You may not contribute directly to that metric but every one contributes in some way to it. You find out what the metric is and do the math of your contribution to it.
FYI, that $170,000 number is the total cost to the company including benefits, i.e. healthcare, retirement, etc. Their salary isn't $170,000.
I’m a full time salesman for a food distributor but I’ve been working at the airport for ups for almost 5 years part time. I know some drivers who have multiple homes and drive range rovers at my facility but they’ve all been there 20 plus years. I do it just for the insurance and college tuition. They’ve almost paid off my entire bachelors degree and I’m only part time.
11:24 Those old non power steering P1's with a high step to get in gives me memories.
UPS is a good company to work for. Even in the warehouse. Great benefits.
It boggles my mind that anyone could be upset these guys make this money. Instead of being upset, perhaps see what you can do to either join them, or beat them.
That's such a difficult job dude. I pass due to back problems and etc. Though, I do respect those who do it.
yup, some people tend to be mad at you for earning more than them instead of at least being mad at their employeers.
@@aminerkin9844 I get it. It isn’t for everyone.
Physical jobs should be paid more tbh. It's literally more work than corporate shit.
@@l4kr how much more are you willing to pay for shipping so they can be paid more??
UPS drivers are hard to replace because they've been trained on thier job to be efficient but Amazon drivers get replaced or quit despite being trained. I've watched several Amazon drivers on RUclips describing how thier trained. What I'm saying is that UPS's driver training doesnt make them irreplaceable when the non unionized delivery drivers get replaced easily. It's union protections and union solidarity that gets them good wages.
Well not necessarily. Truth is somewhere in the middle. Do note that amazon's drivers were not as well trained, and amazon has almost completely wiped out their entire workforce under the ridiculous idea that you want people to quite after a few months. Rather than the long game of training employees to deeply know your company so they can do the best work and make you the most money. UPS is playing the long game, while amazon plays the short game. Though unionization is important at some level. Even if its just unofficially as a means of collective bargaining, however there are massive downsides to unionization. In particular I have seen Unions get plants and areas completely shut down. For example the railroad union in livingston montana created so much inefficiency that the railroad just literally shut it down completely. They were paying their workers more than their workers were producing. My company will not touch any unionized convention due to the fact that we have had the unionizes places steal our stuff and break our products multiple times and we just will not put up with it. Balance is the idea. In short people need to be able to work in an environment where the amount of money you produce for the company determines your income. If you are not producing anything, why should you get paid at all? And why should you get paid the same wadge if you make a massive amount of extra money for your company? If workers and employers agree mutually on fair compensation and continue to bargain in good faith, then there are not issues. But once companies started not valuing their employees that is when things went wrong.
yeah but most amazon drivers technically don't work for amazon.
Just to give everyone some perspective: I'm both an Amazon stockholder and a skilled trades electrician in a UAW assembly plant in Detroit. I deal with robots(in body shop) and automation so I'm in favor of automation but also it's going to be a while before humans can be replaced in assembly. Robots and AI have a ways to go but politics is a factor too.
Sitting here in my 18 wheeler on my lunch break at the Big Brown with a college degree from a Tier 1 State university and my only regret is NOT starting this job loading trailers in high school or right after graduation. I “lucked” into the job during the pandemic as they were the only ones hiring to load trailers. I’ve only been here for a little over 3.5 years and this job is life changing for a guy like me, immigrants son, no connections, no trust fund, no help for school, no help from daddy, etc etc. This is truly the “Lift Yourself up by the Bootstraps” job they keep talking about. I’m glad I went to the military to not have to take out debt for a piece of paper. CALL THE UNION!!!
After living life for 60 years I have concluded some people do much better in life then others and often it has nothing to do with planning or hard work or very little to do with planning or hard work.
Good for them. They work hard. All investors want to hear about is profits and who can blame them, thats what they went to school for. America needs quality of life and we get that by giving people more money and opportunities.
Bravo UPS Employees.
I'm waiting for some ACT/SAT ace student telling his high-school guidance counselor that he wants to be a UPS driver rather than waste 4 years & $100K on a degree.
I do not where the myth that degrees cost 100k came from. I can get four or five degrees for that amount.
@@johnyewtube2286 It truly depends on the college or university. In the US, in-state tuition costs less because your family pays state taxes. The 2 univerisities I went to in the mid 2010s charged about $31,000/year and $8,500/year respectively. So yeah, you can get a basic 4 year degree for $34,000 if you go to a "lowly state school", but I think some people factor room and board whenever they estimate $100k. Especially since all freshmen are required to stay on campus unless they live within a certain driving distance or fit other specific parameters (at least in my state).
ACT/SAT ace students can also be awarded scholarships by various schools. Some can even get a full ride if they’re ambitious enough. Then there are all kinds of scholar programs. The 100k debt sounds like an amalgamation of private undergrad, out of state tuition, grad programs, and professional school factored in.
I agree with you, but I would add it also depends on what state you live in. In PA, the cheapest degree you can get would be about $48,000 if you commute to a community college and then commute to a state school. The average tuition and fees for a state school in PA is 26k so that is 104k for a degree. This would include room and board as well though which I didn’t include in the 48k estimate.
@@ilovezzz2012 I agree that a high-scoring applicant can get a nice scholarship - as I had done it myself back in the '80s (back when the tuition was low enough that a nice scholarship more or less meant free room & board). But I also wanted to get across the idea that guidance counselors always want their top students to "shoot for the Moon", and go to Boutique U rather than State U - and I could see a weak-personality student buying all the craap and spending a lot more than xe has to.
But even then, a job paying really well right out of the gate could be worth it to being a regular college grad and an oppressive office job at (non-overtime) salary.
My buddy drives for them. Gets up to 120 degrees in that truck. He works his butt off.
They earn that $$$. It's a strenuous job.
A few drivers at my hub come in at 3 am to help load their trucks and then they're out delivering until 6-7 pm. 7 days a week. they are some of the hardest workers I've ever seen
Yeh but 170k though 😂
They’re installing ac finally
Yeah people forget its all supply and demand. 40 years ago, a college degree was much more rare and therefore much more valuable. Almost everyone has a degree now, so that's no longer a differentiator, and now the new separator is those still willing to do brutal blue collar work in the 21st century.
You’re gonna need life insurance if you spend a career at UPS
Good health insurance too.
Yes, wife kill you for never seeing her and kids
@@dosmastrify No the wife has the plumber while he is out delivering.
@@dosmastrify absolutely the truth. Crappy job. Husband has been hospitalized twice due to heat exhaustion.
I've been at UPS since 1988 and have no issues. Why would you make that claim? It's not a bad idea for anyone who's older to have life insurance if they have a family. UPS drivers are like anyone else. If you don't take care of your health, you're not going to age well.
I am a proud UPS driver (again lol, didn't expect that to happen) and I have lots of time to listen to videos and audio books like this in rural areas. The financial system ate the rest of the economy. baked into every single price you see is a dozen plus middlemen (mostly to pay interest on debts) for every person and thing along the way. this is inherent to fiat currency as it is born with interest owed and those dollars have to come from somewhere (printing is part of it, credit creation is the vast, vast majority.) Wages can never keep up with a system in a death spiral. I grow potatoes and more, I suggest you do the same.
My dad has been with ups for 38yrs & back then there was no CDL needed for UPS. If you could drive a semi you got the job during the interviews. He started PT brown small truck. He's been FT and drives 2 18 wheeler hitches every night M-F 3pm- 2am off weekends. He inspects his semi and then drives. He doesn't load or unload, just drives it. He put in his time to get a position like this. Great benefits and 8+ weeks of vacations. He's been a semi driver for them as long as I can remember and I'm 34yrs. My dad clears that $170k and then some. My mom was able to retire early bc of this. They were able to build a 4 bedroom house in the country on 1acre of land with 4 kids (family of 6) and there wasn't nonthing we ever needed to worry about growing up. My dad has always had job security. Great job if your the semi drivers ❤
Not only have average wages not kept up with inflation, except for UPS, but CEOs used to make $20 to every $1 an employee made back in the 60s. Now they make $320 to every $1. Meaning their pay has outpaced inflation while your pay stayed stagnant. Be pissed off
newsflash, it's like this in almost all outdoor, physically demanding jobs. i work in chemical manufacturing running reactors and senior employees easily ear $40-50/hour, have medical, dental, life insurance, 401ks, a pension, and overtime pay. the tradeoff is usually you have to work a rotating day/night schedule, you're outside, you're exposed to dangerous machinery, and the job is pretty stressful. the thing is that most people can earn a very good wage, but it usually isnt worth it. the high paying jobs are the ones noone wants to do. sitting in an office on a computer pays $50k/year because everyone wants that job. running a reactor in an outdoor facility in texas pays $110k/year because noone wants to do it.
5:54 this was tried on me. I was given a bullshit title, with significantly more, and more complicated, workload. Offer was made by Mr. Bullshit at the company, a cocky young slideshow pusher. Said that I would be "part of the family". But no pay increase. I declined. They were furious. Numerous execs told me that I'm sabotaging the company by not helping them advance. I said that would imply their willingness to pay for such advancement. I quit shortly thereafter. They were very sourfaced.
I am working for UPS in Slovenia and we only get like 1200€ a month. It is sad to see how many times your wage are people payed in america.
The cost of living here is 4X more ,we don't have health insurance, it is expensive, homes cost $400 K. America is hell without tons of money.
Your buying power might be better than the exchange rate would suggest
To put it in simple terms : Your best way to get a better wage and improve working conditions is to unionize. We've known it for about 150 years. Also, promotion without a pay raise, why would anyone accept that ? "Hey! do you you want to do more things and have more reponsibility for the same pay?"
Yeah but explain that to the idiot lemmings that sill believe the corporate overlords have their best interests at heart.
You can use the promotion to better negociate in another company
@@TheThink5op Exactly, I would take the promotion anyway, and quickly start finding somewhere else to work
I know a guy that has 3 different benzes. One of which is a AMG GT. Tbh i like seeing him do well 😎 Hes been with UPS for many years
If people are mad then go work for them.
Go work 12-16 hours days in a hot ass truck with no AC.
Also just saying 170k isn't that much money
They definitely don’t make $170K it’s total compensation.
UPS and the other logistics services definitely cannot wait for when self-driving and other automation tech will save tremendous costs.
When self-driving cars finally take over our roads, everybody who drives for a living will lose their jobs.
It’s possible if they keep doing 60 hours per week plus cash out with no vacation.
Don't take it out on the people who fought for their raises, take it out on the people who don't pay you fairly. "Why should McDonalds workers be paid as much as EMS drivers?" is being used to say we should pay retail and service industry workers less, rather than say we should be paying EMS drivers more.
WE SHOULD BE PAYING THEM MORE. My god I thought about becoming an EMT part time and I was amazed. They literally save lives and there's a national shortage. I thought, oh cool they probably have competitive salaries. Boy I was wrong.
@@juliekring7574lmao i made 13 an hour as an emt 2 years ago. I quit and now i work at a paint factory making 29 an hour. There’s a good reason why there’s an ems shortage
It is criminal how low emt get paid. My last employer had 50 paramedics on payroll, I was an executive and I hated how they were treated by doctors and nurses. Like red headed step children.
@@jasonbfhfj8132good thing nobody does without EMT's
This is sarcasm.😊
My buddy try to work almost 7days for emt a week to make ends meat. 😢
I'm an ER nurse in Texas and I have no idea what the stupid bastards in this State are so vehemently _against_ unionizing. In Texas, new nurses start at about $21/hr. In unionized states (like CA and MN,) nurses start at $42/hr. Texas staff nurses _never_ get to that rate. You have to leave the hospital and go to work for an agency (like I do) to get more that about $38/hr. And _that's_ after about 15 years on the floor. Nurses need to organize and then stick together.
Of course they make tht in ca . Do u know how high Cali is
Literal backbone of the US economy at this point, much deserved
I'm a loader at UPS. It's NOT for the weak (I'm not being dramatic). When I started I would talk to hiring managers and drivers about working there, and they would all tell me just how physically & mentally demanding it was, I didn't take their words seriously as I have worked construction, landscaping, farm. But this shit is just different, the jobs themselves are easy, but the physicality will make you question all your life decisions. Can't tell you how many times I was cussing this job. I wish nobody was even talking about UPS because now we got all these ass clowns from Joes Sloppy Joe. I'm aiming to become a driver, money is good sure but at what cost. Also drivers don't make $170k lmao
in 5 years we will be close man . become a feeder driver and save your knees and back. contact your hr and get on that list don't go package go feeder because your home every day and work between 10 to 12 a day but the money is worth it . be safe
@@sychavez7269 nah man I like the physicality of delivery driving. I’ve worked for Fedex & Amazon as a delivery driver and I love the rush it’ll give you.
Also to note, this is a physically/mentally demanding line of work. Even if driving, you’ve long hours to yourself alone in routine challenging climates & environments. Part of why the insurance package is plush off the cuff is that injuries are typical.
Thank goodness the value proposition of package delivered to money paid is juicy.
Having worked in UPS for 1.5 yrs, longest our warehouse went without a major injury was 2 mo, & that was at the largest location in the US.
Genuinely curious: why are there so many injuries? Do they have to carry the boxes onto the trucks, or is it because the long hours on the road lead to motor vehicle accidents? Or is it because they have to sit for so long?
High majority freak accidents during the loading/unloading of packages. Where possible there's automation (robots, computers, sensors) but still fall short handling odd shaped packages, so someone steps in to load/unload. What repeatedly happens throughout the year is that in peak times are prompted to longer hours/double shifts. Double shifts at one's discretion to do but paid overtime. May be shifted to different roles with say driver helping to load their truck (in low times are trained for said different roles should the usual people be on pto/quit/etc...) which dramatically increases chance of freak accidents.
**In peak seasons, you've to be careful when opening a truck or trailor door. Usually filled to the brim & so packages avalanche out when opened.
Then there's that of operating machinery which varies by what you're doing/how up to date local warehouse is. Some cases are tradeoffs with say conveyor belts. Yeah covers are installed but on the off chance your clothes snag can mangle you (thing's built to move several tons of material). There being retractable conveyor belts, some even leading into trucks to curve needing to carry 100+ lb items. Gets to be of issue when long hours in, exhausted & not noticing to flip the nearest shut off (there are several on each) in the case of a snag.
Also the handling of hazardous packages. They're labeled as such, those handling given training what to do, as well as hazmat teams, but can still lead to freak accidents.
Lastly motor vehicle collisions, thankfully training's (for the most part) there to be dummy friendly. Somewhere in the low single digit % by that point. Collisions more so cargo or vehicle damaged but driver safe. More likely vehicle related are health issues with the delivery trucks (usually) not having HVAC, cooking loading/unloading back of trucks mid summer (during the day sun cooks the cargo space, comparable to being in a sauna) or getting caught in snow storm & inversely freezing. @@ruiqi22
@@pauljackson171 Oh, I see... thank you for the explanation! :D That does sound like a really risky job, and I'm glad the people who do that aren't just paid pennies, although no amount of money can make up for a bad accident.
It really is shocking how many outlets/influencers repeated this number when it was so easily debunked. I thought I was crazy for awhile.
Being a UPS driver socks. Horrible heat, cold, weather, little AC in vehicle, heavy weight and leaking packages are leading to injuries and lost revenues
Maybe don’t wear socks? Only wear sandals to keep cool.
today a carmel box blew open in one of the trailers and leaked over a bunch of boxes. while preloading, a bunch of my rdcs were sticky.
Residential vans, back in the day, were prohibited from making left hand turns. The reason?
Sitting at an intersection, waiting for an opening to cut across lanes of traffic or at a red light wasted time.
By exclusively turning right, you could take advantage of the US law where you are allowed to make a right hand turn at a stop sign or red light, because it is considered merging. You aren't "cutting across a lane of traffic", you are "merging" into the adjacent one.
By not sitting and waiting, you kept driving. So routes were planned ahead of time to minimize left hand turns, to minimize red lights where you just drive forward across the intersection, and to minimize railroad crossings.
So if you could encircle your navigation by going counterclockwise from your central hub, you could essentially drive non-stop
And now we have ORION which solves the traveling salesman problem too
Clockwise you mean. Right is clockwise.
I use to work for ups. the things they don't tell you in this is the drivers... not the employees working the docks... make the big bucks. those on the docks... don't come even close to the amount the drivers do. something else is that unlike most companies which aren't designed for unions. teamsters and UPS worked together from the beginning. Also during peak season, Thanksgiving to Christmas, you work 7 days a week. yes, that's every day between those two holidays. something that also don't talk about is how many times they are forced to work more then they should... they can request 8.5 hours and if they fail to acknowledge this... you can file a grievance against it and make a much larger amount then OT.
I worked many seasonal positions in the Palatine IL hub. It's hard work, odd hours, and a constant turnover of managers. Drivers start their day before you end REM sleep and are on the road way past your 2nd hour in front of the TV.
They drive in cold and heat in a washboard riding truck all day. $90k a year is amazing! I had no idea! I am having to get by on 28k a year. :(
Professional development would allude that there was adequate funding for training from external parties, training within the company that allows for improvement or management employees who actively participate in the development of their underlings. In my experience, this does not occur at companies operating in North America.
I've never before heard of people including pension contributions and health insurance value as part of a "salary". This seems to be highly misleading.
Listen to how ceo said it, she didn't say salary, reporters are just stupid
I worked at a company where the surest way to end a meeting with the CEO (regardless of how many people where there), was to have an hourly employee show up with an issue or question, even if they were the lowest paid employee in the company. They are categorized as “direct labour” for a reason.
Dam, US work laws suck. In my country, every overtime you do must be paid a bonus, and if you work on sundays or holidays, that bonus is double. My country may lack in several areas, but it is nice to know that we got something right.
in the USA overtime is 1.5x pay (over 8hrs a day, 40hrs a week, 7th consecutive day)
doubletime is 2x (over 12hrs in a day, over 60hrs a week, 7th day)
Quad is 4x (over 16, 80)
You'd be surprised at some of the loopholes like "professionals", aka accountants, lawyers, doctors, etc. often aren't entitled to any kind of overtime compensation. Managers are also often exempt.
@@milesmcstylezThe law used to exempt overtime for management if the minimum salary was $12K a year a few decades ago. That was absurdly bad even then. Now it's in the $40K's.
You'll get universal health care before the USA, too cause we're a 3rd world country in a custom Italian suit.
@@jjoohhhnn "free health care" doesn't exist. someone pays for it always.
12+ hours a day for truck drivers is normal for most drivers, at least here in Chicagoland. (not ups) If you have the drive, then drive. Because money.
Thank you for filtering the BS and giving us the real goods and data. We need more of you.
you forgot the /s
I've known two different UPS drivers and one Fed Ex drivers and ALL of them had medical problems relating to their work. It is extremely physically demanding, grueling work and they earn every penny they make. UPS also has a policy that you lose your position as a driver if you are involved in two accidents whether you are at fault or not. And I don't mean in a month or a year or five years I mean EVER. So if you have somebody else run into your truck and it happens to you twice in your career you are done as a driver.
Maybe if the dollar wasn't being basically devalued then wages wouldn't HAVE to keep climbing up infinitely to allow us to afford basics and a little leisure.
dude, if the economy grows, you have to pump more money into it, otherwise you end up with deflation.
If there is more money in an economy, you need to have more to still be able to buy the same as before.
Just by growing your economy, you have to make the workers wages grow. Of course devalued currencies make you need more money as well, but needing higher wages every year (unless economy contracts) is very much built into capitalism's fabric.
About the efficiency that comes with practice and experience. In our job of logistics deliveries we'd sometimes be required to use temps. Invariably, they would come back from a route 50% later than scheduled, and totally worn out, to the point that for the next shift we'd get a different driver, every time.
Another reason for touting this eye-catching figure is to put pressure on Amazon and FedEx, UPS' main competitors. Both are non-union, and both use a contractor system that leaves drivers with the crumbs left on the plate. And since it is harder to get people excited over pensions and other non-financial benefits, it makes sense for the Teamsters to put a dollar figure on it to juice the number.
Also, like the salaried workers mentioned in the report, overtime pay is not mandatory in the trucking industry. UPS is exceptional in that getting time and a half is more in line of what somebody working an hourly wage would expect.
Ups driver turnover is under 1%.
Fedex and friends are 40%
Our guys bust their asses but are paid handsomely as a result
You can call the UPS drivers unskilled. But the training they go through has a 50%-90% washout rate and many of them go 30 years without an accident or an injury working 60-hour weeks and driving millions of miles. So now tell me, do the results sound "unskilled"?
I worked in a UPS hub for years, worked as a cook at a restaurant and an engineer with a degree. The toughest minute by minute job was line cooking. The toughest pressure and longest hours was as an engineer. The most boring job was at UPS. At this point, if I could switch to the highly paid driver, I would do it. I'm first and foremost a family man. At this point in my life, I need the cash to help us get out of credit card and student debt. And for those who did not do the math, overtime is usually up for grabs to the ones with the highest seniority. Most union workers want to go home after they get their 40 hours in. That was my experience then and I don't doubt it has changed. 15 hours of overtime is an average. Some drivers chose to work 30 hours OT. IF it was just 15 OT, it would still be (44*40 + 44*1.5*15)*52 = $143,000/yr
On UPS' website their job posting for delivery driver range from $21-$24 an hour. They're putting in some serious overtime to get to $170k a year!
$20/Hr 40Hrs a Week Full Time is Only $40k. Fake News.
That's during your first year as a package car driver. It takes 4 years until you hit scale. By then, you'll be making $49 an hour.
It's damn hard work, we need this. I work in a UPS ware house myself, wage stagnation is terrible right now.
Nice anchor about the news letter!
I recently inherited almost $500k. I REALLY need to make this money work for me, and not just disappear over time. I've been scrambling for somewhere to put the money, where I can make an effort to use the gains to pay bills so I can quit my job . All roads have pointed to the financial market of some sort which is a good idea buh where else should I put money besides the financial market? We have a 13% RPI rate so cash is tough.
Yep great question and that’s always the one - where would you rather be if you have an option. Personally I’m always invested aside from a small emergency fund. Financial-market for me seem the only way forward with my long time horizon (accrued almost $1.4m in gains since 2020 ) but if you don’t have that fortune of time it’s a tough market out there almost nowhere feels safe! . Just know the risk you're comfortable with . Mistake is expensive
very informative, one option I suppose is, if you were to invest a set amount buy the whole share in a ETF and the remainder could go into a index for which would allow you to purchase the fractional shares, is that an option?
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If anyone ever told me I will be randomly be surfing on the net and come across individuals talk about Camille will for sure doubt but this is crazy I know her and love her strategy so more wow thanks for preaching the gospel…
This is pure silliness
😂 id feel so damn comfortable if I made 70k a year god i wish
Ok, I will be working for UPS very soon
Another friendly reminder to join your union folks! The dues pay for themselves in raises!
as the Cal prison guard union just so amply proved.
My neighbor has worked for UPS for over 20 years and has made a great living for his family. He brings home over 125k with overtime. He sold is 3rd house about a year and a half ago that was used for rental. Still has 2 houses of which he lives in one and the other is on the same street. All that physical work for over 20 years, he deserves it.
I make much less than half of that as a skilled and specialized electrical engineer in a niche-field with a Master's degree.
Ask for a raise, or better yet, join a union.
Get a better job
170k includes benefits and bonuses. The salary itself is not that high.
@@larrysmith2655 yes, and I still make less than their actual salary
IT is a bit shitty, when ads pop up before and in videos, nowadays everybody have "sponsors" ads in random timelines in vids.
It is a wonderfull life.
I love the fact that a driver with no degree can drive around and make deliveries for fairly good money and benefits.
And I'm over here in the healthcare industry making maybe a little more than the burger flippers across the street with an optional healthcare plan that doesn't cover anything.
Gal, THIS is why I left being a Pharmacy Tech years ago in 2018! Literally quit my job on one random Friday tecting ny boss that and never had one pharmacy job SINCE. Fuck that "field." I even graduated from a trade school specifically in Pharmacy Tech Field with a graduating paper certificate. They don't care. I made extremely marginally above minimum wage. By cents. I worked for Rite Aid or as I refer to it wrong Aid for 3 years from 2015 to 2018 when I quit and my beginning wage was $8 and change and it was almost minimum wage exactly just above by some cents and then when I left in 2018 I was only like $9.60 after 3 years. I worked at a few other retail pharmacies in the same thing I mean you just paid like $13 an hour and this is pre covid but barely. Basically I could NEVA live off that. Ever.
This is not how money works at UPS. UPS is pissed off that they had to agree to a new contract where union workers receive a fairly reasonable raise. Side Bar- during Covid, when UPS made their record breaking 100$Billion dollars profit - non of us received hazard pay like we were supposed to receive. Yes, some drivers who have been with the company for 15 to 20 years will be making close to 100k - but not all drivers. Since the new contract, UPS have started to layoff half of their drivers and they have decided to cut hours and take away work from their night/local sort - the harassment has grown tenfold. They expect everyone to ramp up production and get paid less, and then when you file grievances they retaliate and take away more work and hours and give it to people with less seniority. The only thin UPS is doing for their employees is making it a super shitty hostile environment that no one enjoys- especially if you work in a smaller center with a weaker union. Management just runs wild with no checks or balances. Don’t believe the hype!
Its $170k OVER 3 YEARS.
170 annual. They just take 3 years for everything to kick in. UPS drivers have always made bank. They are competitive, senior level positions you need to work your way up to
My friends dad is retired UPS and walks with a limp and a cane from work related injuries. People think getting that 170k is going to be easy.
1:42 at the bottom if the chart, what exactly are "parents with no children"?
Pet owners
XD No formal overtime... the US truly is a wild place...
what other job is quoted with their benefits calculated into what they make?
Data entry job is the most unskilled work I have ever worked as, after working as cleaner, mover, recycling worker, laptop repair and programming. I ended up returning to data entry which gets me pay worse than all those jobs and still work long hour, but I sit in a comfortable chair, not breaking my bad under harsh condition, close to home, still have energy and time to take online course or exercising and my work is low risk. I still have to do as much overtime during audit season, but paper pusher has to push paper.
Business is ideal but I think investment will always put you in place financially for life and if you do it correctly by finding a good investment adviser who can guide you on how to be profitable
What kinds of investments do you make? I totally agree with you. I have a lump sum right now doing next to nothing in a savings account. but it's hard for me to take part in the market right now due to the fulltime nature of my job. it will be way to stressful to combine so i don't even think about-facing it
I invest across the top markets but not by myself though. I follow the guidelines of Larry Kent Burton. you might have heard of him.. I can correctly say he's worth his salt as a investment advisor as his diversification skills are top notch, I say this because i see that in him results as my portfolio grows by averages of 20 to 3O% on a monthly basis, unlike i can say for my IRA which has just been trudging along. my portfolio just mirrors what he place and not just on some particular industries of my choosing
That’s great , your investment advisor must be really good,I have seen testimonies of people using the help of investment advisors in making them more financially stable. Do you mind sharing more info on this person?
He's on Instagram ***
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Not just a union: INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS
But...I'm not making 6 figures because I'm unemployed.
I agree with that truck driver. I dont want to be on the road with driverless semi’s. Maybe the tech will get there eventually, but it probably won’t be anytime soon
I trust AI far more than I trust people.
I worked for the USPS briefly and while the pay was good it wasn't nearly as good as working in IT and it was physically demanding. But when minimum wage is so far from the living wage, 15/hr sounds great. In IT you can make as good or better wages and benefits while working in an environment that you prefer.
Though i cant dispute delivering packages does not require high skill, it is a high effort job fulfilling a service in high demand. Supply and demand dictates the price of your labor not just skill