Why Are Companies Making You Do So Many Job Interviews Now?
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Nobody likes job interviews; they waste a lot of your time, and they waste a lot of company time.
Every hour you spend in an interview the company must pay the person interviewing you.
So why is it becoming so common for profit driven companies to ask for multiple rounds of interviews for even the most basic of jobs, when most of the time they are just going to ghost you anyway…
Filling a position is an expensive process that companies are only making more expensive for themselves. Some companies sit down with hundreds of people through as many as SEVENTEEN rounds of interviews. That’s hundreds of manhours spent finding ONE person for ONE job when just twenty years ago it was rare to do more than two rounds of interviews.
According to a report by the Harvard Business Reviews this trend is also leading to worse outcomes for employers. High performing employees are pulling out of job applications after being asked to come back for round after round of interview, so companies are being left with only the most desperate applicants that are willing to jump through their hoops.
This is wasting peoples time, costing businesses lots of money AND creating worse outcomes for everyone, but there are four reasons why businesses don’t care and will probably keep increasing the number of interviews they make new applicants do. The first reason is that it increases their leverage in the negotiating process.
According to a report by the Bureau of Labour Statistics it now takes the average person twenty-four [24] weeks to go through the hiring and interview process to get into a new job.
If you are unemployed and looking for a new job, then after 24 weeks of interviews you are going to be desperate to accept anything and you won’t risk losing the offer by negotiating a better salary or benefits. If you DO have a job this strategy can still work on you. A current employer is only going to be so patient about you taking time off to attend interviews so going through this process once will be hard enough so you take the job or stay at your current employer that is angry with you for missing so many days.
According to the same report the number one reason that people turned down a new job was because the offered wage was too low and in 2023 people are also turning down jobs that don’t offer work from home flexibility. Respondents were much more likely overlook this though if they had gone through an extended hiring process.
Employees are also less likely to leave a company if believe it was a real challenge to secure their job in the first place so management can use a difficult interview process as a staff retention technique before people even become staff. Psychologists call this the sunk cost fallacy, if you have already spent so much time pursuing a job opportunity you don’t want it to be a waste by not accepting it if you get an offer. Hiring managers just call it an effective negotiation technique.
For the employers this a calculated expense, the hours that they need to pay HR and a hiring manager to sit in an interview room will be paid for by forcing you to accept a lower starting salary for your entire career with that company. Other companies and hiring managers are not this smart, but getting the upper hand over your pay and benefits is just the first reason.
So it’s time to learn How Money Works to find out why you have to sit through so many interviews to get a job now.
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I’m trying transfer to job closer by area of residence! But, this crazy grocery company I currently work for now says I need to do interview process all over again? I give them my job experience and number. “Quest what?” I keep on getting rejected for same company that I work for 4 years now? “BULLS**T!”
Those click and slide projector sound effect don't add anything to the video, they're just annoying.
Imagine a company that's not even more than a year old is taking on merry go round with hiring guy who has 6 years of experience and still reject you without reasons. Imagine you don't have money to visit their place for interview so you ask for video call interview and they decline it and then you visit them and you are only asked questions that were simply one on one that could have been done via video call. I have too many horror stories to tell regarding jobs and employment. And I'm from India so it worst here. Pay is peanuts but attitude of companies and hiring team is barren mountains.
Good Job getting a side shot of downtown Chicago from East Randolph Street @ the 1:15 mark, impressive
If they passed a law saying they should compensate you during the process. We would get the most effective 1-2 round interviews ever.
And a law requiring mandatory responses so no ghosting
They'll just research you on their own times and call you with an offer, not an interview.
@@samsonsoturian6013that would be awesome because they will be fighting for employees and thus the competition will be fearce
@@samsonsoturian6013 They do that already, on linkin and your social media. The only company that leaves job openings are those who want to look good or are as desperate as you.
This
Another reason: Bloated HR teams are keeping themselves as busy as possible to justify their pay-cheques
Yep!
this. lots of staffers want to fill up their schedules with interviews just to fill their schedules
HR has on average 80% female employees.
HR trying to justify why they shouldn't be outsourced when they are completely useless.
@@johnlesoudeur3653😂 don't ve saying stuff like that you'll get canceled
Can't retire, can't get a job, can't start a business, can't get out of debt. Gotta love how money works.
Go work for the government, you retire with pension after 25 years.
That is if the government Is even hiring lmao.
@@KRYMauL no that's helping the Gov grow don't do that.
@@SSSamuraiiiOne they’re always hiring
@@davidmoore3479I find it interesting: so companies can’t grow because it’s cost ineffective and government can’t grow. And yet we as a society don’t teach Americans to create companies ourselves but then where do you basically end up? Also government isn’t the devil you claim. It does have benefits that Americans tend to as brats not care about.
"Companies are forcing applicants to go through several rounds of interviews when one would suffice so they draw out the hiring timeline as long as possible so the applicant becomes even more desperate and they'll accept an even lower wage than they were prepared to accept before" is an accurate summary of this video.
Yes that is true and is so corrupt it should be illegal.
Not true as most people will be in for multiple jobs.
This fuckery won't change, but trust that candidates are learning to game the system. A lot of ppl take their low ball and reverse uno in secret by generating multiple revenue streams while doing the bare minimum for the company.
note to self: make a fixed incremenent to initial expected salary/wage for every round of interview I have to go through.
This should be illegal. It's incredibly cruel and inhumane.
Google needing to do 15 to 20 interviews isnt a sign of them being great employers. Its a sign of severe disorganization and an inability to weed out the incompetent early on. Pathetic.
EDIT: any more than 2 interviews is wasting time and shows mismanagement and a disjointed leadership.
Spot on
Uhhh I know your 15-20 is an exaggeration, but the actual 4-5 interviews seem kind of reasonable for the reward, especially that they are usually back to back
are they hiring for competency??
how many of their projects and products are shuttered years later?
@manonamission2000 projects sunsetting is not about competence, it's about strategy. Google's strategy is to try and see, it's the opposite of Apple's play it safe strategy. This means Google will fail more often but they can affordif. Competence is the ability to execute, which Google employees can.
@@curiouspersononthenetan interview process is not a market transaction. The fact that a good job might lay at the end of a long interview process is irrelevant. An interview process’s organizational function is to identify a hiring candidate. More interviews may be justified for a business in the face of the risk of a bad hire in the relevant position, but the interviews themselves don’t generate value for the business. Therefore, the ideal number of interviews is the smallest number you can justify based on risk, and in an ideal case is 0.
The worst part of the interview process is waiting weeks to hear back between interview stages and sometimes not hearing back at all and getting totally ghosted 😫
They’re not worth it anyways. Garbage company ran by incompetents.
i still got a rejection email few years later 😂
Or getting to the third interview only for the last asshole to dislike you for no reason😫
I'd say the worst part is not getting the job
Imagine after 2-3 months you get a rejection
AND a "please give us feedback" request XD
My wife was trying to get a job as a Veterinarian's Assistant (no formal education required, low paying) and she went through 4 interviews all lasting 1-2 hours each. She was ghosted afterward, then 6 months later out of the blue they call her back and offer the job. She said no thank I already found another job, then they had the nerve to chastise her for wasting their time during the interview process by not accepting the offer.
Religion "market economy" wasted their time. Think of conceptually powerful who developed and keeps the religion.
Wow, sounds like your wife dodged a bullet there. What hypocrisy
these companies gettin brave 😂
ill tell you something, i have a vet assistant cert. 5 years exp. and a vet clinic still cherry picked with me. TWICE. i had 2 interviews!
Omg
I applied for a job at a sizeable corporation in June. It took them 3 weeks to schedule an interview. After the first interview went well, I got scheduled for a second interview the next week. Then when the day and time of the interview came they ghosted me. Then two weeks later the recruiter reached out and asked if I was still available for an interview without acknowledging me getting ghosted.
I decided to give them a chance and scheduled the interview for the following week.
Then 10 MINUTES before the interview they told me the hiring manager was under the weather and couldn't do it. I stupidly decided to give them a third chance and they offered to reschedule the interview later that week. The interview went well and they really seemed to like me. Then two weeks later they emailed me saying they decided not to fill the role anyways. 2 months of everyone's time wasted.
Pro tip: When a company shows you who they are, believe them.
Exactly. I was having an interview over Zoom for an out of state job. They asked if i wanted to go in person to see the office space and said id rather just do zoom which they were fine with. After that office tour, they emailed and said they had structuring issues and they weren’t going to hire anyone for that role anymore. Literally saved me 5 hours of driving.
I was scheduled to do a zoom interview for the first time, but the end of your was show up late and then pretended like she couldn’t see me when I had the video on and I just did as an a video interview with another recruiter using the same set up and everything and there was no problem with that recruiter being able to see and hear me well this one I can tell she’s a racist she probably doesn’t like me because of my raise. I kind of anticipated this and I just couldn’t believe it happened exactly the way I imagined it to happen then I reschedule the interview the second time she never even. Showed up to the interview. I waited until it more than 30 minutes past my time. she ghosted me. Like you, I can go and reschedule it a third time to give this disrespectful and rude HR person. One more chance again this time she say she couldn’t hear me last time she said she couldn’t see me. I could tell that she could hear me because I did I made hand signals and she was able to understand me and I also talked and I think she said for me to log off and log back on. I knew that when I log off and log back on that she would not be back she would ghost me also this third time she was late for. 30 minutes and when I log off and log back on, she never invited me back into the room. I believe she’s a racist, Hispanic or Mexican, HR person who does not want to hire people of my raise. Her tone of voice was very rude as well, and very unprofessional.
Fun story from a friend at a large company, they ran 4 rounds of interviews, being nice and telling people they didn't get the job, but the last person, who got the job offer just walked out on the company when he saw the offer. Didn't even try to negotierte, so all the wasted company time was for nothing.
sounds like the dating game, people are trying to get people out of their league and end up with nothing.
sounds like HR were successful at guaranteeing job security with the process :D
Good. Don’t be a corporate simp. After a fee more times like that they will raise their offer.
My factory job did that. We had a mass quitting after 3 straight months of 10 hour days, 6 days a week. They tried for 3 months to offer low ball offers to new employees. No one cared. They them raised the minimum wage from 19-23 with a 1500 starting bonus. People finally started finally applying
Let’s be real: they wouldn’t have negotiated with him, they’d scrap him and go for the next sucker on the list
I always wonder: if the 1st choice declines the job offer, wouldn't they just hire the 2nd choice? And so on?
It’s about breaking and degrading the people. You don’t want to work for a company that would waste your time.
All big companies do this.
Worst is when they make you go through the interview process when they already know who they are going to hire/promote.
I was courted to interview by my company when they already knew they were going to give the position to someone they hired last year with the promise of promoting them when a management position opened.
Same concept as the Gang beating to become initiated.
or a company that acts like they're doing you a favor by hiring you
nah its not actually about that. It's the byproduct, yes, but not the main intention. Stop being edgy
Every day I find a fresh reason to hate the corporate world more
capitalism) men life - nothing in business world)
They’re mostly worthless.
Same
Corporatocracy NOT Capitalism. There's a huge difference between the two. @DevOps691
@@brucej.willson4764whatever differences you see between the two is negated by the fact that one is the direct product of the other. A “Corporatocracy,” is a birth of capitalism and is a direct result of the culture that sustains it.
This distinction is meaningless
A job I was interviewing for had a 7-round interview process. Their competitor only had 2 rounds and offered me the role first. The original company was pissed and did everything on their power to get me to give them a chance, but it was too late as I’d already signed on with the competitor. Their lengthy process made them lose a top candidate 🤷🏽♀️
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽😌🔥🔥🔥🔥
Probably wouldn’t do it, but I’d be tempted to tell them the other company is much more efficient and likely to be more successful.
I would negotiate and finally accept the other job so i could waste their time even more
See companies that know your worth not gonna waste your time with silly games. Congrats
If there are more than 3 interview rounds for a non-excecutive or not very highly paid position, I see it as a no-go and a red flag denoting that the employer is admin-heavy and/or disorganized and/or trying to screw and degrade their employees.
Yep! Clearly Google isn't competent in weeding out those not suited for them early on. No job on earth should take 15-20 interviews. Not a single one.
@@taylorbug9 They're doing more interviews than you might need for a security clearance.
And if their current staff has gone through all that I would think they are people who aren't getting on the spot offers.
@@Chahliethat’s quite a very good point.
Then you would never work for a company that pays above average. People are willing to go through these tough interviews for a reason
The hiring process is a joke. There are plenty of fake postings. Also when you apply you need to setup a profile, manually enter all the info from your resume, explain in paragraphs why you want to work there and then do a 30 minute personality assessment questionnaire. Then if you're lucky you do a phone interview and then all these multiple in person interviews. It's as if they figure you're unemployed so you have all this time to waste on them.
He also glossed over the foreign worker problem. They have job openings with impossible standards, like ten years experience coding in a language that's existed for three years. So you open the job to locals and run a nightmare gauntlet. Nobody makes it, so you hire the H1B for 1/3 of the salary, as planned from the start.
@@Nope_handlesaretrashHe didn't gloss over.
Hah! I applied for a position doing detailing of used RVs. I had previously detailed boats. They sent me this stupid test which was ridiculous, which numbers are different, which shape is different etc. They are missing out on valuable people.
Ngl as a fresh grad I've been thru the whole rodeo and it's not that bad. Most applications are pretty normal on workday, and I've never had more than 3 rounds of interviews. I've only ever had one that was crazy and had the personality assessment, but that was a pretty memorable one. Ended up applying to around 30+ jobs (over 100 if you count easy apply and copy-paste mindless applying), had ~10 interviews and 2 offers.
@@tachobrenner he said that foreign workers are preferred because they are better, not because they work for way less. the reality is that american engineers are way better than indian ones because our education system isn't as much of a dumpster fire
As a person who's gone through this once or twice and who has also hired potential employees, it always screams to me "I'm terrified that I'll hire someone that will turn out to be bad or at least mediocre, which will make me look bad. So, I'll diffuse the responsibility by having half a dozen other people to have to sign off on you so it's not just me that will have egg on their face if things go south".
Edit: This is one of the reasons on the video, lol.
I fully believe that multiple rounds of interviews are meant to gatekeep people from bettering themselves. Lots of people are not privileged enough to ask for multiple days off fit multiple interviews 😮
Unless you're unemployed, but then they won't want to hire you anyway
This. It's a form of discrimination too seeing that nothing about the multiple rounds of interview process actually applies to the work you're performing. Imagine the audacity of telling someone to do two rounds of interview with the same person. That's what happened to me and I declined to work there.
The HR company must justify its existence.
Exactly, I'm in EHS and in one corporation I worked at the EHS department was part of HR so I had to go through HR meetings (it's one of the reason I left that company)
Their recruitment process was absolutely insane and at least 80% of the HR service had bullshit position which equates to no actual useful work done
They had quality issues at some factories at the time and they were taking hours every single week making strategies to make sure more woman would be employed (which ended up in managers only being able to see CV after HR censorship when they had access to all of them). Pretty much if you wanted to have an interesting position you needed to be a woman/minority in order to increase their stats (because it's not normal to have 90% male electricians when the market consist of 90% male electricians...)
These long processes are nothing but HR departments being left unchecked for too long
HR protects the company from its employees. Is it not reason for existence enough already?
That's why it's much better to hire within no wasted resources going through several rounds of hiring only to end up with low balled offers to new hires they won't like.
Losing high quality candidates is very true. While company A is trying to make them sit through 5+ interviews, company B is cutting to the chase and actually extending that job offer. You lose some of the best people that way.
That's exactly what happened to me. No 'recruiter' or HR, just got me in for interview next day, hired me on the spot. Then the other 3 long process interviewers I had endured called with offers- 3 WEEKS after the initial interviews. Good people aren't hanging around waiting, they are out there getting hired because they WANT to work.
Where can I find company B? I've only been getting A's
@@divinecomedian2 Candidates with highly sought after skills are contacted by these companies on the regular.
None of you were the best candidate relax
But that’s precisely what they want. They don’t want the best person, the best person wants the best salary. The want the one begging for the job that basically allows the company to consume their life for the three months they have them jumping through hoops. That is do they don’t ask the questions or ask for examples and use those rather than hire the person as has been done. The American system is broken.
I’ve gone through 17 rounds at a very famous big tech company in 2022, I got an offer but with the caveat I would have to move to another city. I applied for a remote position and we discussed in interview 1 that I would not move anywhere, the process just took so long that their needs and rules changed in the meanwhile…
Did you take it?
The innept audacity.
I just went through 5 interviews for a junior developer role just to get rejected, for the 2nd time in 4 months (that’s right, rejected at the final stage for both companies), decided to do a course to become a rope access technician instead, after I passed my course I sent a few texts and got a job after a 5 minute call, loving it and making decent money, I’ll code in my free time thank you very much
That’s awesome and I’m glad u succeeded, but What the heck is a “rope access technician?” Is that a computer term or an engineering term?
travel the world
@@hobomike6935I googled-basically window cleaner or other jobs literally accessible by rope :) good thing is you can’t outsource them very easily.
This totally ties in with that video on bullsh*t jobs because junior dev would've been a redundant element in that company probably and they knew it. But when a labour worker is needed it is actually needed and needed now. Stay safe and never trust someone elses knots.
@@hobomike6935anyone you see doing maintenance/work while suspended in the air with a rope ie power washing, window cleaning, etc
If you're not applying for a super prestigious job that has dozens of people lined up, you can always mention that you're also currently interviewing with a competitor. Doesn't even have to be true.
lol its like trying to get a girlfriend, doesn't matter if its true you just act like you have a girlfriend and girls will want to take you from her
Only works if you’re in a big city. Everyone knows everyone in finance where I’m from.
@@sanguinor5609do you live in a tiny Portuguese village? Who gives a fuck about other people enough to bother gossiping about whose interviewing where.
You always are on 2nd round with another company.
You always have an offer in hand.
Always.
@@sanguinor5609 well yeah, job finding is usually way easier in a big city.
When I graduated college 20 years ago and got hired at a large corporation, it was five rounds of interviews: a phone screener, a phone interview, and then a full day consisting of three long in-person interviews. That was considered a lot at the time. Absolutely bonkers how it's so much worse now.
That's three rounds not five and it's still pretty normal.
they count "phone screen" and "recruiter video interview" interview? i did not even realize that
Yep, did pretty much the same thing on the way to a low-level, front line inside sales job. Then did pretty much the same again, only for an internal job change. It's nuts
Did something similar for my current job I got two years ago. It was phone interview with HR then zoom interview with head of the department. This was a few months into 2021 after lockdown so I never did an in person. I think they were desperate, too. I work in healthcare and they needed to fill a lot of roles.
at least the 3 interviews were on the same day for you, for some people it takes a week or more to even know about the next interview
I've actually managed to never have had a formal interview in my life. My friend got me my first job, and I worked my way up over 2 decades. Then, when I switched companies, the guy interviewing me was someone I worked with 15 years earlier, so we were just joking and telling old stories, then I was hired.
Must be nice.
Damn, I don't think thats even physically possible these days.
a vast majority of people are not as lucky as you
@@NkWong Not sure, I don't know anybody who got a job without an in. Maybe me with my first job, but that's about it. Always friend of the family or through school or something. Kinda sucks when you don't have the connections. I've been looking for a job for a long time.
@@KyriosHeptagrammaton I’m a freelance columnist for a magazine. I didn’t need any interview, yet I just needed to submit an outlines of five topics I wanted to write about and a full article (I got paid for this one) in order to get a job. You can say that it’s another form of interview.
There was a time when we " made it here", we had jobs for everyone and the products were of high quality, then the 1% wanted everything. Now Inflation drives prices up and if Inflation is high and jobs disappear by the millions we are in a recession and maybe headed for a Depression…So be careful with your money. It may take decades to get back on pay again. Luck to all..
On occasion you can beat the market with blind luck, but I wouldn't depend on it. Having a science background there is a saying, 'Luck favors the informed', I've found it to be true, allowed me in great part to retire early...
@@Nernst96 interesting. I've a lump sum doing absolutely nothing at all in my bank account, i wanna gets something started with it. You seem to be doing excellent for yourself, how do you achieve this?
Thanks for this buddy. Her website popped up on the first page immediately I searched her, I read through her resume and Did my due diligence on her before leaving a message. So, hopefully she replies soon.
Is this a bot thread? Seems staged.
The first comment seemed genuine but the ones below definitely the recent spam bots with fake likes and less robotics replies that always revolve around someone saying they have thousands of dollars unsure what to do with them and the another comment telling them to check out the "personal finance specialist"...a scam
Just successfully ended over 3 months of interviewing with 20 companies to land a great job. They all required at least 4 rounds spanning 3 weeks on average for each (longest was 8 weeks). The company I ended up with took only 1 week for all 4 rounds. The system is totally flawed because the skills required for interviewing well are irrelevant to 90% of jobs.
For what job and ypur assuming. For wjat role
@@Turnpost2552 For Sales, Marketing, Customer Service type jobs you should be tested on your charm, charisma, storytelling abilities, etc. But for technical jobs requiring a specific function within a business (programmer, analyst, engineer, etc.) it's ridiculous to equate a candidate's interviewing skills with their technical skills that will be the actual thing producing revenue for the business.
This is why I'm a blue collar worker, all those interviews sound like hell
@@mrdeebo313 And it's a travesty that young men are not encouraged and rewarded by society for going to a vocational school and learning a trade to do blue collar work. However, I heard the blue collar equivalent of all this is getting into a good union. From what I heard, it's really difficult. You either have a connect to get into one or you don't, which is just as dumb and unfair as 10+ interviews for one company.
@GengoSenmon
The rumors are indeed into something. Apprentice positions in trade? Ya either need to duck the union boss's cock, or do something else. Or just be unlicensed and work within some immigrant commmunity
It's super annoying and even more annoying when they ask you to complete an assignment before. You don't work for free.
I've had that. And when I did the test they actually time you. So I was like yeah...fuck this grindhouse. Never looked back.
sign of a sweat shop
Yup and even worse is that they’ll reject candidates and use their ideas as well.
Literally happened to me this week. A start up gave their actual current project's front end portion as "evaluation task", kept contacting on weekend and national holiday. Said hell no to them.
just send back a one page pdf with times new roman, "I don't work for free".
I've been ghosted more often by employers than I ever did on any dating app 😂 This is why I ask the recruiter from the start, "how long is this process going to take? I don't have time to waste on multiple rounds of interviews." You needing to justify your commission is a YOU problem, not a ME problem. It shouldn't take six weeks to tell a candidate "yes, you're hired" or "no, you're not a good fit".
My parter is a recruiter and the amount of dickery she has had to deal with within the last year has been insane. The companies don't reply, they don't give feedback on interviews. They drag their feet forever in the hiring process. They won't even look at qualified candidates. It is like they don't want to hire anyone.
Spoiler alert - they don't. Most of this song and dance is to make them appear like they are a thriving and sought after employer. I'm friends with one of the hiring managers at the large corporation I work for and he admitted most of the jobs posted we have no intention of filling.
I applied for a software position, was told they wanted to proceed with the next stage of the application process. They sent me an online personality survey that asked me to rank which of several hundred jobs I'd prefer to do, in batches of three. Would I rather be a software engineer, an actor, or a mortician, and what personality traits does that reflect. I looked at it and said "Yeah, they either have no idea how to gauge applicants well or don't want to hire me." Lo and behold, they didn't hire me.
Exactly, a lot of superiors are like this. They want to be the "baron" of the office and pick and choose when or if they respond, despite the fact that it makes a poor work environment
I once applied for a customer service job with a big tech company, and they sent me a test to complete for the next stage in the process. When I looked at the test, I was absolutely dumbfounded. It had the kind of questions you'd expect on an entrance exam for an engineering degree. It was a STEM skills test FOR A CUSTOMER SERVICE POSITION. There was no sign that they even knew that communication skills or interpersonal skills were required to be successful at the job. I took the test and I know I failed it (because I'm not skilled in the field of STEM), but I wasn't concerned when I didn't hear back. If the company is delusional about the skills required for the job I'll be doing for them then I really don't want to work for them.
These corporations nowadays want overqualified job candidates just so they can underpay them.
if the job requires testing that isnt for a specific license, i just dont waste my time...
42nd 👍
To be fair, if it's for big tech, you need to be able to understand and comprehend the system in which you are servicing the customer with... You can have good communication skills, but if you can't understand why their web browser isn't working, you're not exactly a fit for the job
No what's fair is for them to train the person, it's a customer service job where your attitude and communication skills are the most important, other details like technicalities are learned through training and the job itself...
I work as a SE in a third world country. I’ve never had more than one round of interviews, there is no such things as “corporate culture” and IT-workers are treated like royalties. When I watch this kind of videos it feels so unreal. I can’t believe that people in the US have to go through all this crap.
It sucks man
Its trash even for positions not requiring as much technical skills as a SE.
Which third world country you from? In India it's shit.
Same here. I'm in Europe, and I know the job market has changed more in the line with the US (ie got worse) in the decade, but I've got every job I've ever had as a result of the first interview, and been contacted with the offer in less than 48hours. (I'm excluding any brief contact with an agency doing pre-filtering for the employer here, as long as it was brief, didn't need me to travel, and was only once.) Anything more than two "sessions" is a warning sign in itself.
I usually had 3-4 as a SE. I think that is good. I probably won’t work in a place with 1 interview only, it means their hiring bar is too low and I will work with bad people and spend all my time fixing their mistakes.
Once it gets to 6, 7 or even apparently 15?! Yes that is ridiculous and I won’t bother.
that's why a lot of people are trying to open a business or start a youtube/social media channel, working for a company is just hell at this point.
I once went through an initial recruiter call, hiring manager screen, a seven round onsite interview, and then the hiring manager still had the audacity to tell me that he didn't think I was interested in the position. I now feel like I was one of the external candidates they needed to fill their interview quota and they were just going to hire someone internally anyway.
In 2010 I jumped through hoops to get a job because I was unemployed. The hiring process was grueling and ridiculous. I was one that was hired because I was desperate, but I found out that a lot of positions went unfilled because the dropout rate of the interview process was in excess of 90%. I left after 16 months.
What?
Exactly. A bad hiring process is a red flag that it's a bad job.
@@noseboop4354 Often, but not always.
some people make a living off of their artwork and succeed
2010 was the year I graduated from undergrad. Long lines at the job fair only to be told "apply online." Multiple round interviews that led nowhere. They even gathered all the candidates together during lunch, just to let us socialize with those whom we were competing against for the job. Then getting "ghosted" after the whole ordeal.
I think more than 2/3 of interviews are pointless, conducted by inept managers who couldn’t predict skill in a candidate if they were prescient. It’s insulting to be interviewed by the terminally incompetent. Especially when you don’t get the job because they didn’t like you. So frustrating.
That last oart is so true. Many recruiters seem to be looking for new friends, not a person to come in for 8h, do 120% of their job and disappear for the next 16h.
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@@InteloPLFacts! Oftentimes the people who aren’t willing to kiss anyone’s ass and just want to work hard are shunned.
@InteloPL that is true, managers want a friend to multitask so they don't have to show up for work
If I'm ever in the position to dictate hiring practices I would do it as follows:
Phone screening
Virtual interview
Working interview
Hiring
Just had a very unique situation yesterday. I was accepted as a finalist for a top level position in a city organization. Made it down to the final two candidates after the third round. Being a city organization, they required the last interview to be in person, and as a Livestream on RUclips. My interview would be forever public knowledge, good or bad. And likely, so many bad things could happen. I was aware my second round was in their executive session, very private. But I refused to go in such a public manner. Told them it was quite insane, and idiotic.
I’m a lawyer, I’ve worked at large firms, mid-sized firms, and for the government. The large firms had half a dozen rounds and then ghosted you, testing you on skills that had nothing to do with your actual job and it came off as pretentious. The government was the worst, subjecting you to multiple rounds of pressure interviews and it simply wasn’t worth it for what they paid. The mid-sized firms actually conducted the interview with the people you’d be working for and they were always straight up with me about their needs and salary and everything so as not to waste anyone’s time. Even when I didn’t get or take the job I always felt respected and in turn I respect the lawyers from those firms I work with today.
That's because the government roles are a scam and they don't want outsiders becoming potential whistle blowers
life isn't suppose to be a struggle
This is about people justifying their own jobs by adding useless meetings, interviews, steps, tests, ect. to the hiring process. The best workers are not going to wait around while others waist their time, and they are also going to be applying for multiple positions to have options. If an employer wants to use these tactics than they are most likely going to get the most desperate or worst people, but its their choice.
Recruitment
A lot of companies are still in an old broken mindset of posting jobs just to collect resume piles so that when they want to hire they have a pool to pick from, as a way to try and ramp people up faster. However, this doesn't work because people don't just sit around waiting for a callback, they go apply elsewhere and with relocation being standard and remote work being common it's easy to apply nationwide. So in response, since companies haven't really adjusted to this, they've simply lengthened the hiring pipeline to keep an active resume pile as that can deter people from going elsewhere.
@@phonyalias7574 Not to mention with the sheer amount of applicants these days, odds are they're gonna end up actually picking from the new applications coming in because they can be more certain that those applicants still want the job. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if half of the 100+ applications I filled out in the past 6 months were just data mining and ghost positions, the way they do things these days. That's the part that stings me the most, and why searching for a job is a full-time job on it's own.
@@tallyp.7643 Yep. I've had companies outright admit it to me in rejection emails. I've also been told to apply to open positions through my network only to be told after I applied and the people checked on it for me, that they were just gathering applications for the future and not hiring now.
In my newest role, I got recently laid off and the hiring manager (my new manager) was really desperate to fill the role that had been empty for almost a year. She looked at my resume and sent me an email asking if I could interview the whole team that afternoon. She and her team moved heaven and earth to get everyone to interview me and I got offered the job after the weekend. And I love my new job!
I once walked out of an interview, when I was told that I "was qualified for a 2nd interview". I told them no, I'm here to apply for a job, not to impress someone.
I don't think second interviews are that bad. I walked out of "group" interviews. I absolutely despise them and I think they are totally unethical. I have only had to do one and it was with a terrible company. I went because I never turn down interviews, but I immediately logged off when I saw multiple people who were on the Zoom call. They emailed asking why I left and I said if you can't even bother dedicating a one-to-one conversation with me, then you do not deserve my work and you do not deserve to waste my time. It was the one instance where I straight up walked out and logged out of an interview. I thought it was so disrespectful
@@colechapman6976u absolutely right to do that
I was an intern at a company, a spot opened up in my team and I applied. I had to go through 3 interviews, back to back, to get the position. They already knew me, so two of those interviews could have been saved. I'm happy I got hired, but that day was so tiring
One day is easy. It gets bad when they make you come around multiple times, for something that could have been easily organized into one day. Like, my company, when they hire lab technicians, won't show them the labs until the second round. Which is ridiculous. We run a relatively special, machine heavy business, really not something every chemical tec likes to do, and 1 in 4 will usually decline once they see what the job actually is. Still, we first chew them through half a day of interviews, then let them wait for weeks until we manage to schedule the second round with the higher ups (for a technician job!). In Germany we can legally give new hires a six month probation period. More than enough to figure out if a new hire has what it takes. Still, we insist on this charade...
Since they already knew your work, you shouldn’t have needed to interview at all, but perhaps for legal reasons, they had to go through the motions.
Your company shouldn't have to interview you three times if you're an internal applicant. You're already in the industry.
I’m sure this is one way to keep hiring managers around.
There's a terrifying thought.
Yessirrr. Hiring managers and HR in general would go obsolete if companies actually can hire people for damn.
“Hiring manager” isn’t a job. It just means “the manager who is trying to hire someone for his team”.
Yeah, security managers does this too where they'll invariably argue in favor of more physical security as that boosts their status within the company
Bingo.
I'm in a similar situation; unemployed and looking for almost any kind of job, but no luck so far. It's so miserable that nowadays young people have to dream not about becoming magically rich, but about merely getting a job to allow them to live with some dignity.
Learn a trade. Use your hands. Blue collar work is the only work worth a fuck to begin with.
@@cameronjuntti4749 Absolutely right! Many of these companies are going to replace masses of people with Ai in a few years, anyway. Spend 60k to learn code just to be unemployed in five years? No, thanks!
i've recently been looking into switching jobs and my god it's so bad, even companies on the smaller side have like 4/5 rounds of interviews, logic tests, programming tests, technical interviews, interviews about your personal life.
It's legit hell, like i don't have enough time permits at my job to keep doing this shit for multiple companies, and i'm not even a freshie i have 3 years of exp in the field now.
It's just so tiring all of it, especially since salaries in my country are terrible, so you go through all this trouble for a dogshit salary anyways
When How Money Works interviews people, he's going to force them to watch all of his videos.
2 to 3 rounds maximum:
1st round = 30 minute call with HR who understand the technical aspects of the job on a broad level
2nd round = Interview with competent manager who has actual experience in the technical part of the job
3rd round = only if it is a senior role, if it requires a case, or a partner-type role that needs to meet all the executives as a formality
We have a KPI based on reducing time to hire, reducing cost of hire, and ensuring the new hire is able to pass probationary period with good reviews
I see two problems:
HR having any idea of anything technical.
Your manger having relevant experience in the technical parts of your job.
@@theconnorhansen Agreed on the first point. On the second point, that's what the team lead is for, to ask the questions. The manager just catalogs the answers for HR and asks some high-level process questions.
When my manager and I were hiring people, it typically went 3 rounds:
1. Short phone interview, probably 15-20 minutes. Personally likely did it on a lunch break or outside work hours.
2. Regular length traditional interview face to face. If you made it to this stage, odds are you're getting an offer.
3. Short follow-up interview with HR/CFO as an extra check, sometimes over Zoom, or right after #2.
We only ended up inconveniencing people to have to take time out of work for #2. It worked well for us, and well for the candidates.
Nope. You only need a few minutes with someone to know if they are a good fit. I can judge if a person is a hard worker by having a 5 minute conversation with them. I can also spot a con artist a mile away.
A *competent* manager?? Do you have any idea how rare those are?
The part that makes me instantly drop applying for a job are personality tests. They are auto graded and pointless. They urge you to be honest but if you are you usually fail. They ALWAYS want you to only strongly agree / disagree and if you show any anti-employer tendecies (read common sense / living in reality) you are dropped.
You love to see a hiring process that ensures that only liars and butt-kissers work at the company
There use to be this thing called the mail room. You just shuffle mail around. You get to know people around the company figure out the company structure. Eventually, some department will have an opening and somebody who knew your will invite you to work with them.
First 2 years are usually training and beach work, getting coffee, organizing filing cabinets, copying stuff, mundane paperwork, etc.
Slowly you’ll have a more important role in the team until you get promoted. Maybe even have your own office. Then you retire and go fishing.
Those were the good old days.
Now they require you to have a Bachelor's Degree to get a mailroom-type job and you need three professional references as well as 1-2 years of experience to even be able to get an interview with them. Then you need to make sure that all questions you receive are answered immaculately, all the while the interviewer asks increasingly annoying questions. You then need to wait two weeks before you hear back from them and it will most likely be an automated rejection email you can't reply to and they won't give you feedback, that is if they even bother responding at all
I did 11 rounds of face to face interviews at a large company where I would be taking over as their Head of Research. They loved me after 8 interviews and wanted to hire me but more people kept saying they wanted to meet me. Interview #11 was with this girl who clearly wanted the job and I don’t know what she said but all of a sudden they decided to “go in a different direction”.
She spent the whole interview trying to brag but I was better than her at everything. She bragged about her undergrad degree, I said I graduated from a Top-10 school at 20 and had two masters. She said she was great at public speaking and told me how she presented to a whole team, I told her I had spoken at conferences around the world. She bragged about writing a report for a client, I told her my work had been published in nearly a dozen journals.
She made the interview a competition and I made it clear that we were not peers…she was a decade away from being able to actually compare herself to me.
Maybe I would have gotten the job if I had toned down my accomplishments, but I wouldn’t want to work anyplace where I had to pretend I was less successful than I was just to make someone feel better about themselves.
So to sum it up, the more interviews you have, the more likely it is you will meet someone who wants the job you are applying for. And when that happens, they are going to trash you no matter what you do.
That’s why I started my own company. Now I don’t have to compete with anyone and it’s so much better.
No offense but your actions as described does sound a bit douchey. If you'd already had that many interviews plus your resume/CV, then your accomplishments can speak for themselves. Not sure why you felt so threatened to resort to bragging like that, but she does sound pretty aggressive. Obv doesnt matter at this point but if someone is your junior then theres no need to flex on them.
That was kind of an a-hole move by you. You didn’t need to stomp on someone trying to get hired just because you are accomplished…
No…I was the one trying to get hired. She was my 11th interview. I believe she wanted the job and that’s why she was so aggressive listing the important things the job required and showing how “good” she was at them.
It just wasn’t a situation I was prepared for and I think the fact that they were ready to make an offer after the 8th interview yet kept asking me to meet more people pissed me off. Combine that with having to meet with this girl and sitting there listening to her bragging about how good a fit she was for the position set me off.
It was clear I was the best person for the job and listening to her “achievements” put me in a place where I was just tired of the process and decided to make it clear to her that we weren’t peers. I mean, after 10 interviews my qualifications and accomplishments were pretty evident, so I was so frustrated that I couldn’t sit there and pretend she was special.
I’m usually very humble about my skills and background but I’m also very honest and have a high level of self-confidence. Listening to someone act like they are better than me after 10 interviews was more than I could take. I know the right move politically was to pretend to be impressed and downplay my own accomplishments, but considering she was technically my “competition”, I didn’t feel like downplaying my accomplishments while she was bragging. So I demolished her. “Oh, you’re good at public speaking because you presented to a 10 person team? Well, I’ve presented at conferences around the world to audiences of hundreds.” “Your writing skills are strong because you wrote something for the company’s newsletter? Well, I’ve written 200 page reports for Fortune 100 companies and my work has been published in some of the most respected peer-reviewed journals in the world.” “You did some data analysis for a client? I created and managed a research project conducted in 25 countries with 60,000 interviews and over 10 million data points. I’m also an adjunct professor of statistics and research methods at NYU.”
It wasn’t the right thing to do, and anyone reading this shouldn’t do what I did, but at the time, putting her in her place and making it clear to her that she was at least a decade away from even being close to my level sure felt good.
I guess at this point your ego kicked in and you really could care less about the position. I would not got pound for pound with someone to prove I was better as I was trying to get a job but I would for sure see her when I got hired and subtly let her know the deal if I’m still dealing with my ego. I think as seasoned as you are you let a dweeb take you out of your league.
You weren't bragging but she was? She was putting forth what she had to offer to increase her probability to get hired.
just did 5 rounds of interviews for a part time, seasonal, minimum wage, retail position. and you guessed it - I got ghosted
bro.. they wanted you to accept the job under the minimum wage. Like $2 or something an hour. I've actually made jokes like that I would be like "Id work for $5 an hour" and said to call me later and they did. I said "screw you fuckers".
Insane- what store was it
Unemployment is an odd concept in an economy where for so many folks it’s necessary to work multiple jobs just to get by. Loose one and you’re counted as employed but suddenly don’t have enough money to live.
Lose. Not loose. Two different words.
Earlier this year, my previous employer let me go during a round of layoffs. I have a STEM Degree and some good work experience so I got interview requests pretty quickly. About half of the places had requests for a second interview after a phone screening and an in person interview. My current job only had one in person interview and sent me an offer within 48 hours of my interview. Why some places draw out the interview process is a mystery. A company’s top priority is to make money so it can pay its employees and cover other business expenses. It would be in the company’s best interest to find a qualified candidate to hire as soon as possible. Having multiple interviews does not benefit anyone and wastes valuable time and resources.
There was once a time when ordinary people got ordinary jobs. Now you have to be Superman to get an ordinary job these days.
This would be easily fixed if everyone stopped being desperate and demanded decent conditions or else no deal, but there's always someone desperate enough or young/innocent enough to not care about any of this and accept anything, so despite the fix being simple, it's almost impossible that it'll happen.
"Most of the time the are just going to ghost you anyway" ouch
Companies should be required to pay interviewees at the hourly rate of the position (rounded up to the nearest hour). If the annual salary when divided by the composition of the country's standard work week comes out to $80 per hour and you spend 50 minutes in the interview, then you walk away with $80 in cash, whether you get hired or not. That'd minimise the number of interviews prospective employees have to put up with.
Also, ban ghosting. If the employee doesn't get a response within 7 days, they're automatically hired for a full year, with no possibility of termination. Force them to say "yes/no/come in for an interview".
First rule - the best way to land a job is to connect to a stakeholder. Be it a manager or a CxO. Not entering the HR loophole is my biggest win. Another thing - you don't want to work for a big corporation. Only private companies. Once listed, the only goal for the company is to provide for its shareholders. Maximum profits, minimum workforce.
For an entry level job recently with no degree required they made me go through 3 interviews and a psychological assessment just to get through all that and be told they were going to go with someone with previous experience. This was for a job to process sterile surgical instruments. Miserable. I probably put out roughly 20 applications in the last 3 months and only ever heard from an actual human being twice. And the second time only because I went to the physical location to inquire as to what the deal with their whole process was. I was told that often times hiring managers never even see your app because the website process shitcans it before a human being ever sees it. These companies are spending a ton of money on this shit.
Exactly, they use ATS like Taleo which will throw out your application if you don’t optimize your resume SEO-style to include all the buzzwords that are in the job listing.
This is true, whenever possible it's much better to either call the front desk or go in person and directly ask about job openings. Your online application will often get blocked or lost by robots. It also can't hurt to ask who is the manager and get their contact info, to follow-up later.
At least you are not in tech. I put out 700 applications with the only five interviews. I am entry level, it may be different at other levels. No one wants junior developers/engineers.
@@SalivatingStevefunny enough if you have too many buzz words they also trash your app because you're "gaming the system"
@@johnyewtube2286 yup thats my experience too about 100 applications per interview as a graduate engineer, its miserable.
I went through a 5 stage interview process for a basic customer support role for a travel insurance company. I jumped through hoops for a month and hath and fell at the final CEO stage. I felt awful and this affected my mental health worse than anything before in my life.
They had rearranged the interview so many times and I danced like a performing animal for them. I actually was unable to sleep for several months. It really made me want to scream. I though that there must be something very wrong with me or that I had some how disgusted them.
Thank you for clearing this up for me.
I had a similar experience where I had 3 interviews for a help desk role over the course of a month and a half and it was really stressful because I'm bad at interviewing but I seemed to hit it off well with everyone I was interviewing, so I thought I was a shoe in and was kind of excited, only to be ghosted before the final interview with the VP. It's rough.
I did a three part interview for a strength coach position. I was so excited to make it to the third interview, they said I'm clearly qualified for the position and likes my answers. The third stage was to send a video basically saying the same things I already said in the second stage of the interview which was done over email. Guess they didn't like how I look??? Or it was one of those situations that they already knew who they wanted to hire and just wasted applicants time. Government jobs do this a lot too. They'll open up positions for like one or a handful of people. They'll get hundreds sometimes thousands of applications but they already know who they wanted to hire. They only posted the job for legal requirements because the person leaving the position got promoted. It's really annoying. Just don't post the job then if you're not actually hiring new people 🤔
Earlier this year I was jumping through hoops applying for a job at one company, talking back and forth with the recruiter who told me I was doing great. They clearly knew my experience level and everything on my resume before even contacting me. The last interview I had they said that I “exceeded their expectations” and then they absolutely ghosted me lol.
Many companies also exploit free labor by requiring you to work on "test projects" while not paying you. They sometimes never hire a person and keep those positions open for months.
It really makes my blood boil. Why am I interviewing with people I'll barely be interacting with while I'm working? Why does it take 3-5 people in the organization to assess a candidate for an entry-level position? Is my direct manager or the department head so incompetent they can't pick someone for themselves? I'm literally being asked the same damn questions and having to repeat myself in all the rounds of the interviews instead of asking questions that would concern them specifically. If my work isn't even related to your job why are you even asking me questions? just have a conversation with me and see if i'm a culture fit. People really refuse to do their own thinking and insist on following formulas.
It's usually better if they pull a bunch of people in at the same time. Then they all can meet you in a time efficient manner.
It's extremely common in tech. My best friend recently joined a fancy name tech company and he had 6 interviews and a take home assignment, the entire process took nearly 2 months from start until he recieved the offer.
At my current job, I only had to do 3 (recruiter, technical, behavioral) and the whole thing only took a week so i consider myself very lucky.
What do you mean by "behavioral"? Been a long time since I ran through the gauntlet 😂
@@electron6825 It basically just means a normal interview. Where they quiz you on your resume and ask "tell me about a time when you X".
@@pfalzFinest Though these days they also tend to do online behavioural tests in my experience too, before you get to that interview. And it'll be some bullshit like "click the picture you most identify with" and it'll be a mountain vs an ocean, and do that about 100 times through various sets of images...
congrats
you forgot to mention one perverse incentive: this job hunt complexity allows lots of otherwise unskilled but extroverted people to be employed to employ people (internal and external recruiters, and HR). ie it's busy work to justify their paychecks
For me, any job that requires more than one or, maybe, two interviews has to have a very, very good reason. And chances are there isn't a good enough reason.
The only job I've interviewed for that had two interviews was split into a roleplay interview and then a traditional interview. And that was alright. It let me get a taste of the role before continuing to the next step.
Exactly 👍
Many interviews definitely reduce the employers leverage. Few candidates will sit through 8+ interviews so their alternative to you will be much worse.
The harder your interview process was, the more money you should ask for.
the same as dating, having long list of demands while the market value is going down is gonna make the good spuce to walk away and gonna keep the desperate that do an okay job, but won't bring you the best results.
And usually it is the other way around since if someone endures everything patiently companies tend to mistake this with being submissive and easy to manipulate and expect you to agree to everything you are being proposed even if it's disfavourable for you. Personally I am allergic to everyone who tends to mistake being polite and well-mannered with having weak character and not having any sens of self- worth and self- respect. One of the biggest mistakes HR divisions often make while trying to pass a judgement about candidates psychological profile.
It reminds me of gangs that beat you to a pulp for initiation. Jobs make it overly stressful and difficult to get hired to make you question leaving or seeking new employment because you would have to go through it again and it would be difficult to come back.
My favorite is during “technical interviews”. Where they give you a week to some development of some feature.
Only for you to get ghosted, and find out they were basically taking advantage of desperate interviewees to do their development work for free.
Got my engineering degree this past may and went through about 3 months of interview hell. Ultimately, I found that getting employment with the federal government was a hell of a lot easier than private industry, which IMO is pretty damning about the absolute state of the job market. Literally all I had to do was one phone interview and I got my offer. Sure, the private sector may pay a fair bit better, but those federal benefits can’t be beat.
Got my math degree and grinding out interviews
I once started an application for an 8-week summer job where the application form had 10 questions each requiring a mini-essay. Needless to say when I got to that stage, I stopped applying and went for an identical job at an equally prestigious employer for the same amount of money that just allowed me to upload a CV. By the start of the summer, I was getting desperate emails from universities asking me to interview because they hadn't filled their job posts yet. With things like that, a lot of it also comes down to standardization. Obviously for a full-time, permanent job, the 10 questions probably make sense. But that's their application form for all jobs and the hiring managers aren't able to change it when it's not suitable.
Nobody is writing 10 essays for a full time job, either.
@@mammajamma4397 It was at a university, to be fair. Not full length essays, but maybe 500 words per question. But yeah, seems pretty insane.
This is a great point also. I decided years ago I would not apply for any job that requires me to fill out fields on their form; if they can’t be bothered to peruse a pdf I am not interested.
I think one phone interview and one day of in person interview is enough. I'm happy to negotiate the offer at that point. I once applied to a one company that ending up having a phone interview followed by 3 different full days of interviews. Their excuse was that "important people" who wanted to meet with me weren't there the days of the first interview . . . which was on a day that they specified. The last two days of interviews were their technical people just trying to pick my brain to get me to solve their problems and make recommendations for them to use in their product. So that was a big turn off . . . did not accept that position.
What’s so frustrating too is that they then around and make job listings that have ridiculous expectations for their requirements to even get an interview. I’ve been told that companies can’t afford to do as many interviews because there are too many applicants, so instead they just make a requirement for recent graduates to somehow have years of experience, advanced skills in multiple kinds of niche softwares, etc. But then as soon as you get an interview it’s actually 17 interviews and they’re looking for a reason not to hire you anyway.
When I have recently applied for a job in IT Industry it's common to have at least two stages interview - first to get to know each other and then technical interview. However, nowadays I noticed that first I have telephone interview then another interview via teams. After these two initial interviews I had technical conversation and the last one was "meet the team and feel the vibe" where we both decide if we would like to work together. This was not that bad. I sometimes received 5 pages brochure from companies stating every step of interview. I believe once I counted 6 steps where the final one was meeting with CEO LOL.
As someone at a junior level in local government, who's been on an interview panel a few times, we often struggle to find good candidates for some niche roles, so we rarely make people do second interviews.
The only time we did a second interview with someone was when we had a candidate who was a "maybe" and wanted to tease more information out, as their experience was in a different country. But they turned out to be a really good hire.
Maybe you can start providing some on the job training like companies used to do. I'm sure that would cut down on time wasted searching for the perfect candidate
It’s cheaper to do a second interview that train someone
Ok, but it means you look for a perfect candidate instead of hiring someone with potential to be trained. That indicades the vaccancy in position is not crtical for institution performance. Not supprising for a goverment position 😉
I have interviewed for lots of government jobs for niche structural engineering roles. They interview me and ghost me all the time.
The city of Bellevue WA told me they could not interview me for the structural engineer position because they did not have enough applicants. The problem is that the WA State Structural Engineer Licensing Exam has a 25% pass rate. As a result, there will be very few people that fit the qualifications of the job. The city had the position open for several months. The HR person got angry when I outed her for not filling the position for over a year. She ended up quitting.
In some cases, I get emails where they say they have filled the position, only for them to post the opening again.
IN other instances, my interview is used to check a box so they can hire whomever they want.
Then there is the issue of the bad manager that has laid off lots of good people in the past. I have been subjected to many of these bad managers. The city and county of Denver laid me off so the boss could get a $30K raise. The city of Redmond WA laid me off because my boss was not qualified to do her job. My replacement did not have the required Structural Engineering License.
Very informative. I'm hiring an HR position right now and we just did a single 10 minute phone screening and if we liked them told them there is 2 rounds of in person interviews. Had a ton of people relieved that it was only 2.
If you can figure it out through 2 rounds, you need to change the process
One with HR to cut out the really bad, plus one with the manager to see if you fit in. There is no reason for more.
@@darkhighwayman1757 Can? Typo?
@@DKNguyen3.1415I think he she meant can’t :)
I hate interviews an HR people. I once went through 4 stages for AN INTERNSHIP!
Interviewing is a skill. Writing a quality job description is a skill. Paying at or above market rate with a quality job description and skilled interviews usually gets higher quality hires. This isn't rocket science but most companies have no understanding of any of what I just said.
When I was job searching in the design and print sector, I experienced interviews that attempted this, and I vowed to stop returning for further interviews Becasue if they are wasting my time and money that means they can't get their act together and obtain what they need from the first interview. I don't need that much drama in my life. No one should have to bare through that kind of bullshit.
In 2010 I applied to a company in Seattle for a phlebotomy position. Never heard back beyond the initial application. Then in 2022, they emailed me to say they had job openings. So they saved my data for over a decade only for me to ignore them because I left that position in 2013.
I've worked at some places like this and a lot of time the interviews are to meet quotas. The companies have had rules (set by upper management) that we cannot hire for a position until we have interviewed a certain number of candidates for that same position. So even when we already interviewed a guy and we knew we wanted to hire him because he was right for the job and everyone liked him, we had to bring in and interview two more candidates just so we could hire the guy we originally wanted to. I understand the intent of the rule but that rule alone caused more waste then anything else, especially for positions that were hard to fill or where you might only find one candidate every couple of months. We lost a lot of potential hires because we made them wait too long, instead they had a found elsewhere by the time we were finally ready to hire them.
I've felt this a few times in interviews ages ago when I applied to teaching positions. I could tell within a few questions that they already had someone in mind and were just going through the motions so they could tick off that box for HR.
At my last corporate job, I had SEVEN round of interview, SEVEN. Now, I opened up my own business and get calls about job opening / wanting to interview me because of the labour shortage in america. Let it burn.
It's not just now. It's bewn like this for years. I live in the EU and 10 years ago a company had a non-technical position (I think it was similar to customer service(. They were from another country and I had to take several tests and interviews. From the beginning I asked them the salary range (so that I wouldn't waste my time or theirs) but they said they'll tell me in the last round. When I finished all the interviews they sent me an email proposing a salary lower than what I was making then. I refused. They got a little upset bit that was ok. I guess HR people have to justify their wages somehow.
I've always read job postings with ridiculous requirements for non-important positions. They make you jump through hoops and for what? Minimum wage or a little over that? Sometimes it felt like I was applying for NASA.
Feels like we need regulations against many of these fraudulent hiring practices. The industry is pathological and won't self-regulate, so it needs to become expensive or illegal to use these psychopath techniques.
Yeah, just get the government involved. What could go wrong?
What a wonderful idea, with the best of intentions--what could possibly go wrong?!
@@gavinshickle1814 yeah, because clearly leaving it to the corporations has worked so well.
@@emilywilson967I assure you government is partially responsible for some of the process, such as anti-discrimination laws making companies have to find very obscure reasons to reject people.
@@auraguard0212 yeah, that's not how anti-discrimination laws work, for one. It's really hard to show discrimination in a hiring process. Also, "we thought another applicant was better" is actually a really obvious reason to reject someone. So no, those laws have virtually no effect. I mean, they've been around for decades and are clearly not the cause of this decidedly modern trend. Not to mention that unpaid internships and ivy leagues are still used to get around them, not lengthy hiring practices.
I had a feeling these things were happening, but it also felt a little bit like a conspiracy theory and it was just me making excuses to comfort myself for failing at a acquiring a job. I've literally had job vancancies that were only minutes new on job search sites. Applied for the job (sent CVs and cover letters) within minutes after the job vancancy went live, being relatively sure i met the job requirements only to receive a reply saying the job vancancy had been filled minutes later. Makes more sense now that companies only file the job vancancy to fulfil some legal obligation to hire someone else or just so they have the option to hire but not really wanting to hire.
As long as prospective employees agree to/participate in this charade, it will continue.. I got my current position less than 14 days between my application and signing the contract. They needed an employee, I needed a new job, i met with the CEO in person and they agreed to pay what i demanded. Simple. I am perfectly content to stay with an employer who actually didn't attempt to waste my time.
If there isn't a strong correlation between interview skills and on job performance then why do interviews decide whether or not they hire you.
They wanna see if they like you
Well, cause a person could be a future murderer but be very good at performance. This actually happened for my parent's workplace. The dude became a murderer. I don't believe we need tons of rounds, but interviews are important to determine if a person is at least pleasant. That example was a very worst case scenario one.
@@emilyau8023 The hiring process does nothing to filter out murderers. If anything sociopaths and psychopaths tend to interview better since they are more willing to give the employer what they want to hear.
I have been binge watching you videos taking written notes and analyzing myself later. The videos sometimes sound a bit depressing but it is better to swallow hard pills of reality and take appropriate action than to waste time living in a bubble. Kudos to great work.
I applied for my current job in April of last year, and after interviews and background testing and drug testing and credit checks, I started working for them in August. With the high volume of people applying every single month (I'm talking thousands...), the general consensus within the company is that getting in is so hard that leaving is something you just shouldn't even consider.
So we'll put, unless you fond out and experience the toxicity around you then there is a big question mark!🎉
That's why I've conditioned myself to have zero sensibility to sunk cost feelings. I'll jump through all the hoops and still decline offers under my expectations. That sunk cost falls into the employers that wasted all that time and effort, decided to hire me and still lost the opportunity for being too cheap.
Multiple rounds of interviews is an instant no for me. I have come to understand that "3 rounds of interviews" simply means "they're not going to hire you, bro, they think they're too good" . I mean, that one's as cut and dry as it is that "mandatory pre-employment drug screen" means "we'd rather have some sloppy drunk here than someone who smokes weed because we're out of touch with reality"
they won't hire you if you are better than them... works both ways
@@manonamission2000 true
If there is more than 1 interview they are not seriously in need of hiring someone and they are likely wasting your time. I understand Big Tech companies have several interviews for paying out life changing salaries but these are exceptions, not the norm.
My son, who is 16 years old had an interview. It went well. He then tells me that he had a second interview. I said okay. After the interview, he said that it went well and that he had a 3rd interview. I almost lost my mind. I told him that he is not going to the third interview and screw them. The position was a crew member at PDQ!!! I told him they act like you are interviewing for an executive position. Absolutely rediculous how these companies expect people to jump through hoops to get a position.
comapnies: they must producs 200k worth of profit for a 60k job!!!!!!!
My old CEO (who was relatively new to the company) decided he want to be involved in the hiring process for a guy who was going to move boxes around the warehouse. Why, I'll never know. He made the guy come in for 3 interviews and then refused to hire him despite the fact that we had no other good candidates. I left soon after, the red flags were abundant and i don't tolerate employers who do not let me manage my team with autonomy. If the work is on time and done right, which it was, stay out of my business.
too much supply of employees or maybe they are researching to pay you as little as possible
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Most places I have worked will have a phone interview, in person interview, and three month probationary period where either side can terminate employment if it's not working out. There's only so much either side can learn through an interview.
On my last job hunting venture in February (already back on the hunt), the pizza joint I applied to REQUIRED 2 ROUNDS OF INTERVIEWS. I couldn't believe it. And then, even after nailing the first interview, I didn't even get a call back for the second round despite having 5 years of experience in food service, having been a server, barista, AND a bartender. Guess they didn't think I was capable of bringing a pizza to a table🙄 Getting a job shouldn't feel like an insurmountable task.
Ive turned down jobs not just for salary, but the lack of any or adequate healthcare benefits. After the pandemic, I can't afford to take my health for granted.
This is my thing now. I work in benefits so it's always been important. I hate the lack of transparency when it comes to that aspect. Unless your applying for a State or Federal job you're almost always completely in the dark.
Same, job came with a $25K raise benefits however, (medical, dental, vision, 401K) were so shit the end result was a reduction in take-home pay. 2 years later I'm earning far more and survived 2x 18hr brain surgeries which would have bankrupted me multiple times over if I'd jumped.
The part about companies just interviewing to tick a box hits home, I'm currently looking for Sales roles and it seems like some of my interviews may have fallen in this bucket.
Last Thursday i called a construction company to know if they needed someone 15min later someone texted me an address telling me that i was starting Monday at 6h30
Make it legally mandated for companies to pay interviewees for their time spent during interviews and commuting to interviews. You'll see the bullshit disappear in no time.