Used to travel over Holbeck viaduct in the early 1960s when we went to Leeds from Manchester for a days spotting. We'd always be glued to the windows on the right hand side of the train when passing Holbeck loco shed which was located where the multiple units were parked up. You only need to look to Manchester to see what's been done to a section of Caslefield Viaduct which led out of the old Central station providing a 'Sky garden' for people to enjoy. Thanks for sharing
Great video. Brought back loads of memories from my trainspotting days in my teens. The Engine sheds were where the railway coaches etc are on the right hand side where you mentioned the brick buildings were. The long brick buildings were a maintenance depot for the diesels, as we use to look through the windows in the early sixties and see peaks etc, We use to climb up the wall at the rear of the sheds and go through the arched windows, that's where the turntables were with all different steam engines inside. We went in that way as if we were caught they would take us out by the main entrance, so we would still get the numbers on our way out. We never got kicked out of Holbeck sheds. I remember seeing DMU going over that viaduct,if my memory serves me right they were going to the Liverpool area, as the DMU were coming from Hull. The 3rd rail is I believe called a check rail,and was as you said to keep the wheels on the track around the tight curves. The amount of money that they could make from selling the track and railway chairs would be a good start to get some money in to start the walkway. Keep up your good work loving it.
Thank you for this comment. Amazing to hear a person story of what was there. I really enjoyed walking this viaduct. And think the scrap value of the metals would be a lot!! Hopefully someone will just make a decision and get the walk way done!! It would be a true jewel in Leeds crown!
I'm the same, though I went trainspotting in the diesel era. We used to stand in the Holbeck sheds near the entrance at the far side, or just the top of the road at the entrance from the street that you can see. Passing the side of the sheds is the line to Sheffield. So if you went trainspotting here you not only could see all the trains in the sheds, you could see all trains that used the viaduct - these were trains to and from London - and on the Sheffield line as well which carried quite a lot of freight as well as passenger services. Like you, we never got thrown out. I don't know why they stopped using this viaduct and started using the alternative line. It's so sad to see how it has deteriorated and the Holbeck sheds are but a shadow of their former selves because they scrapped a great bulk of diesel locomotives.
Great video mate, I'm loving the bridges 😊 . I ventured the disused lines in Wakefield 12 years ago, some interesting bridges and a blue brick viaduct in pristine condition there 😊
@newmotorcycleguy I've no idea mate as I'm more familiar with the Birmingham/Dudley disused. From what I know the blue brick viaduct was near to Healy Mills sidings, and more than likely had prominent links to Wakefield Kirkgate before closure.
Very interesting video Pete. It takes me back to 1961 when I was Service Engr. for E E Co on 40s. Leave City Stn up the long climb along the viaduct to Farnley junction then climbing all the way Birstal Stn 1 in 70/1 in 121 on the New Line. The viaduct was built the L N W R in the 1880s to avoid the congestion at City west end., it joined the original Lds/Dews line at Farnley. It never had concrete sleepers but did have modern flat bottom rail with spring grip/chairs. The no9 sign was for parking London 25kV units as the viaduct start was fitted o/h catenary, if necessary. I hope they do refurbish it and retain the rails.
You used exit/enter Leeds for Wakefield Westgate (and beyond) this way more often than the Copley Hill route until the ECML was electrified in 1988. I remember riding this line a lot, but haven’t done it since I was 17!
It amazes me why this hasn't got a second life. Its just getting worse up there every year. I want someone to just make a decision and do something with it. It'll never get cheaper to sort, always more expensive!
The electric boxes are called Location cabinets each one would have a number on, the concrete cable route is called troughing now plastic is being used, most of the chairs or base plates will have the year as well as the BR when the sleepers stop you get way beams or longditudial timbers the third rail is a check rail used on tight curves bridges and S&C the coil's as you call them are steel keys along with wood ones on Bull head rail on flat bottom rail you get lots of fastenings pandrol/ fastclip/AD/mackbeth/ elastic spike hope this helps in future videos 👍
Yes! Thank you so much. I’ll refer to this in future. It was surprising to see so much left on here. I hope a decision is made to either make in to an elevated walk/cycle way or back with locos running on it.
OK cool, i have seen his videos. on this occasion its a few years later, so whats changed is my thinking. And the whole of the UK needs to see how this is being wasted! If you have seen any of my other videos, i tend to try and film and document as much as possible; Its very unlikely ill get on there again!
I agree it should be preserved and used as a cycleway and pathway, it would look lovely with flower beds along it as well, they did something like that in Manchester. It would be a shame to lose it.
was that the old viaduct that carried trains to Wakefield and Doncaster if it is i remmember traveling on that line on the pacers and it was extreemly curved and made the trains squeek, they used to have regular points failures and delays for trains. What replaced it?
those grey boxes you call electrical boxes are known as relay cabinets the square bases you asked about were the bases of the semophores that were on the side of the track you see the one remaining post very close to the leeds station with no signal arm, the entire lenth of the bed had a single track right up to the station but wasnt connected at the fenced bit you accessed it from this very trackbed im wanting to see it come into use as a multiuse tpt route but to get it to that the station side will need an access ramp to it but i cant see that happening
Thank you for the information. I want this back in use for any purpose, as it is it’s just left to decay the trees growing on it will just help that process. Losing this would be a tragic loss and wasted opportunity.
@@newmotorcycleguy We pay councils to do nothing, over pay and under work their employees. I reckon I could go into any council offices and sack 80% of its employees, reduce the council tax by 50% and improve services. That's exactly what Elon Musk did when he took over Twitter, so it is achievable. Councils in the 60's didn't employ the amount of staff they do today, services were much better and they didn't have computers to do the work for them. The binman would come into the back of the house, pick the bin up, walk to the bin wagon, empty it and bring it back. They can't even do that today and the bins have even got wheels on. The trouble with this country is we employ too many people on exorbitant wages to do nothing. If you can work from home then that isn't a job. I'm rambling so I'll end it here Pete lol 🙂
@@garyh1572 Bojo, Starmer, Sunak and the leader of the lib dems, I wouldn't pay them with washers. I'm actually on about all council office and civil service office staff. They're overpaid, under worked and there's too many of them.
My dad is the former senior Environmental Health Manager for Bradford Council & he was involved in all sorts of investigations regarding planning etc across Bradford. It’s most likely that the planned Leeds - Bradford tram system will use the disused lines on the outskirts of Bradford; especially if the rumoured east to west station gets built. There are disused trackbeds near Hall Lane, Bowling that run out towards Pudsey. There’s also another than runs from near Tyersal out through Black Carr Wood towards the Pudsey Ring road. The only issue is, that a lot of old trackbed in that area has now been built on & following the mess made regarding the purchasing of property for HS2, I can’t see anyone selling up quickly; but that’s not to say there isn’t scope for a mass transit system. Having lived in South London for 10yrs until 2014 & having visited family there since the 1980s, I’ve seen first hand the benefit that mass transit systems, such as the Wimbledon Tram Link & also the Docklands Light Railway have had on areas. As a side note, my dad was also involved in a proposal to tunnel under Bradford, thus connecting Forster Sq & the Interchange. I remember from conversations with him, that he said it’d never happen due to a multitude of reasons; the high difference between the two stations would mean tunnel portals would be some distance away from the city, Bradford Beck would most likely cause some sort of impact, also the land in / around the approach to Forster Sq may need remediation as a chemical works, gas works & marshalling yard stood theres for many years (although some will have been done when the retail park was built). I totally agree with other comments though; it’s not a matter of if it could be done, more a case of funding being approved.
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Used to travel over Holbeck viaduct in the early 1960s when we went to Leeds from Manchester for a days spotting. We'd always be glued to the windows on the right hand side of the train when passing Holbeck loco shed which was located where the multiple units were parked up. You only need to look to Manchester to see what's been done to a section of Caslefield Viaduct which led out of the old Central station providing a 'Sky garden' for people to enjoy. Thanks for sharing
You're welcome. And that would be great to replicate that!
Great video. Brought back loads of memories from my trainspotting days in my teens.
The Engine sheds were where the railway coaches etc are on the right hand side where you mentioned the brick buildings were. The long brick buildings were a maintenance depot for the diesels, as we use to look through the windows in the early sixties and see peaks etc, We use to climb up the wall at the rear of the sheds and go through the arched windows, that's where the turntables were with all different steam engines inside.
We went in that way as if we were caught they would take us out by the main entrance, so we would still get the numbers on our way out.
We never got kicked out of Holbeck sheds.
I remember seeing DMU going over that viaduct,if my memory serves me right they were going to the Liverpool area, as the DMU were coming from Hull.
The 3rd rail is I believe called a check rail,and was as you said to keep the wheels on the track around the tight curves.
The amount of money that they could make from selling the track and railway chairs would be a good start to get some money in to start the walkway.
Keep up your good work loving it.
Thank you for this comment. Amazing to hear a person story of what was there. I really enjoyed walking this viaduct. And think the scrap value of the metals would be a lot!! Hopefully someone will just make a decision and get the walk way done!! It would be a true jewel in Leeds crown!
I'm the same, though I went trainspotting in the diesel era. We used to stand in the Holbeck sheds near the entrance at the far side, or just the top of the road at the entrance from the street that you can see. Passing the side of the sheds is the line to Sheffield. So if you went trainspotting here you not only could see all the trains in the sheds, you could see all trains that used the viaduct - these were trains to and from London - and on the Sheffield line as well which carried quite a lot of freight as well as passenger services. Like you, we never got thrown out. I don't know why they stopped using this viaduct and started using the alternative line. It's so sad to see how it has deteriorated and the Holbeck sheds are but a shadow of their former selves because they scrapped a great bulk of diesel locomotives.
Great video. Travelled over that route 1979-80 when I was at Leeds Uni to and from Peterborough. It was a noisy arrival over the curved track.
Thanks. Maybe that factored in to its closure.
Great video mate, I'm loving the bridges 😊 .
I ventured the disused lines in Wakefield 12 years ago, some interesting bridges and a blue brick viaduct in pristine condition there 😊
Ahh nice. What lines would they be on?
@newmotorcycleguy I've no idea mate as I'm more familiar with the Birmingham/Dudley disused. From what I know the blue brick viaduct was near to Healy Mills sidings, and more than likely had prominent links to Wakefield Kirkgate before closure.
@@davidfoley5128well stay tuned. It’s not far away. I’ll look some up 😊
Very interesting video Pete. It takes me back to 1961 when I was Service Engr. for E E Co on 40s. Leave City Stn up the long climb along the viaduct to Farnley junction then climbing all the way Birstal Stn 1 in 70/1 in 121 on the New Line. The viaduct was built the L N W R in the 1880s to avoid the congestion at City west end., it joined the original Lds/Dews line at Farnley. It never had concrete sleepers but did have modern flat bottom rail with spring grip/chairs. The no9 sign was for parking London 25kV units as the viaduct start was fitted o/h catenary, if necessary. I hope they do refurbish it and retain the rails.
Thank for the brilliant comment! one of my videos shows the Farnley shed.
You're 100% right Pete, this should be made into an urban park, bringing it back into use.
It will be a shame and criminal it something isn't done with it! one of the most beautiful Victorian structures in Leeds!
You used exit/enter Leeds for Wakefield Westgate (and beyond) this way more often than the Copley Hill route until the ECML was electrified in 1988. I remember riding this line a lot, but haven’t done it since I was 17!
I doubt anyone ever will ride this line again. Whatever it’s future I hope it gets resolved before it’s Beyond repair.
I remember when I was a kid and I use to watch the London trains go over that line.
It amazes me why this hasn't got a second life. Its just getting worse up there every year. I want someone to just make a decision and do something with it. It'll never get cheaper to sort, always more expensive!
The electric boxes are called Location cabinets each one would have a number on, the concrete cable route is called troughing now plastic is being used, most of the chairs or base plates will have the year as well as the BR when the sleepers stop you get way beams or longditudial timbers the third rail is a check rail used on tight curves bridges and S&C the coil's as you call them are steel keys along with wood ones on Bull head rail on flat bottom rail you get lots of fastenings pandrol/ fastclip/AD/mackbeth/ elastic spike hope this helps in future videos 👍
Yes! Thank you so much. I’ll refer to this in future. It was surprising to see so much left on here. I hope a decision is made to either make in to an elevated walk/cycle way or back with locos running on it.
Hi I was the person with adventureme in his video. You got a lot further than we dared! Looks like nothings changed in the 3-4 years since.
OK cool, i have seen his videos. on this occasion its a few years later, so whats changed is my thinking. And the whole of the UK needs to see how this is being wasted! If you have seen any of my other videos, i tend to try and film and document as much as possible; Its very unlikely ill get on there again!
Great vid again Pete, always baffles me why they didn’t collect the last bit of rail, on many other lines too.
Thank you. Yeah i wonder this too. Maybe someone who does this as a job can tell us!
I agree it should be preserved and used as a cycleway and pathway, it would look lovely with flower beds along it as well, they did something like that in Manchester. It would be a shame to lose it.
I believe it was yes.
It would be a wasted opportunity! The longer it’s left to let trees grow in it the less likely it can be saved at all!!
was that the old viaduct that carried trains to Wakefield and Doncaster if it is i remmember traveling on that line on the pacers and it was extreemly curved and made the trains squeek, they used to have regular points failures and delays for trains. What replaced it?
I think it is yes
i used to travel over that viaduct on a 125 travelling from leeds to wakefield
Thank you for the comment. I never saw it in use sadly.
Now that is an impressive structure and really needs to opened up as a cycleway and walkway..and it needs doing before it's to late...
The longer it’s left the worse it’ll get and more costly!
those grey boxes you call electrical boxes are known as relay cabinets the square bases you asked about were the bases of the semophores that were on the side of the track you see the one remaining post very close to the leeds station with no signal arm, the entire lenth of the bed had a single track right up to the station but wasnt connected at the fenced bit you accessed it from this very trackbed im wanting to see it come into use as a multiuse tpt route but to get it to that the station side will need an access ramp to it but i cant see that happening
Thank you for the information. I want this back in use for any purpose, as it is it’s just left to decay the trees growing on it will just help that process. Losing this would be a tragic loss and wasted opportunity.
Fascinating but how did you get out , did you have to backtrack ? . Looked a bit scary in places being so far off the beaten track so to speak .
I just went the way I came. It was a little dodgy. But I’m no stranger to exploring these kinds of things so I was very vigilant
My Dad worked at Clayton and Chambers on Geldard Road in the 50's.
Thank you for your comment. I bet loads has changed since then!
Why doesn't Leeds do what Manchester did and make a tramway system out of the disused lines?
If we ever work out why councils do what they do and get things done, imagine how much life would improve!
@@newmotorcycleguy We pay councils to do nothing, over pay and under work their employees. I reckon I could go into any council offices and sack 80% of its employees, reduce the council tax by 50% and improve services. That's exactly what Elon Musk did when he took over Twitter, so it is achievable.
Councils in the 60's didn't employ the amount of staff they do today, services were much better and they didn't have computers to do the work for them. The binman would come into the back of the house, pick the bin up, walk to the bin wagon, empty it and bring it back. They can't even do that today and the bins have even got wheels on.
The trouble with this country is we employ too many people on exorbitant wages to do nothing. If you can work from home then that isn't a job.
I'm rambling so I'll end it here Pete lol 🙂
@@martin4787 Too many people on exorbitant wages ?? You mean the likes of Boris then .
@@garyh1572 Bojo, Starmer, Sunak and the leader of the lib dems, I wouldn't pay them with washers. I'm actually on about all council office and civil service office staff. They're overpaid, under worked and there's too many of them.
My dad is the former senior Environmental Health Manager for Bradford Council & he was involved in all sorts of investigations regarding planning etc across Bradford.
It’s most likely that the planned Leeds - Bradford tram system will use the disused lines on the outskirts of Bradford; especially if the rumoured east to west station gets built.
There are disused trackbeds near Hall Lane, Bowling that run out towards Pudsey. There’s also another than runs from near Tyersal out through Black Carr Wood towards the Pudsey Ring road.
The only issue is, that a lot of old trackbed in that area has now been built on & following the mess made regarding the purchasing of property for HS2, I can’t see anyone selling up quickly; but that’s not to say there isn’t scope for a mass transit system.
Having lived in South London for 10yrs until 2014 & having visited family there since the 1980s, I’ve seen first hand the benefit that mass transit systems, such as the Wimbledon Tram Link & also the Docklands Light Railway have had on areas.
As a side note, my dad was also involved in a proposal to tunnel under Bradford, thus connecting Forster Sq & the Interchange. I remember from conversations with him, that he said it’d never happen due to a multitude of reasons; the high difference between the two stations would mean tunnel portals would be some distance away from the city, Bradford Beck would most likely cause some sort of impact, also the land in / around the approach to Forster Sq may need remediation as a chemical works, gas works & marshalling yard stood theres for many years (although some will have been done when the retail park was built).
I totally agree with other comments though; it’s not a matter of if it could be done, more a case of funding being approved.