Are we paying too much for video games?
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Never liked the "games are more expensive to make" thing. They're pulling in profits that break records across the entire entertainment industry. I don't think they're dying for the extra $10.
Buy our big giga $120 bundle for 2 days early access and a couple cosmetics
It used to be: you go into the store to get the game
Now it's: you go into the game, to get to the store
Yoo, CaptainAstronaut! Nice to see you here!! Love your videos! I also gree with your take!
Big publishers should take a note out of indie devs' playbook and make smaller, cheaper games with more creative freedom. Right now they seem to hope that bigger budgets and grander spectacles will draw in more gamers, but I sense that the market for that type of game is pretty much saturated while Nintendo and indie devs are showing time and time again that weird titles can introduce whole new demographics to gaming.
You're so right though... even if it is "free to play" I've spent more money on Genshin then on any other video game... and that's after buying collector's editions + DLC for some games
Vasko games !! Didn’t expect to see you here
Genshin is the only game I've spent 200+ on. The closest is Sims 4, which I spent 160 on
i think what people are forgetting with this discussion is that even if game prices are technically going up less than inflation, peoples wages have been stagnating for far too long, meaning that we cant even keep up with the £60->£70 increase. the average person has less spending power now, so spare income is no longer spare for things like videogames :/
I've yet to find a $70 game that felt worth the price increase...
The only one I could semi-rationalizr was tears of the kingdom
thing is i wouldn’t mind buying extra content… if that lack of content didn’t make the base games boring af, and if i felt my money was being put to good use (god bug maintenance, good updates etc)
Most people I know depend on sales from steam to be able to afford games these days. Part of the problem I think is we all just have less money to spend on leisure. Especially because of things like subscription models. What I found out especially is I couldn't really afford to regularly buy games for my switch, and nothing sale wise really ever lowered the prices with Nintendo products.
I mostly agree, weirdly tho i always wait for huge steam sales for big games and never pay more than 30€, for Switch Games suddenly this limit is gone tho and i gladly pay those 60€ no second thought XD
What's really frustrating about Dreamlight Valley is there wasn't much to do in the game and all the updates were just cosmetic or new characters that gave the same quests you were already sick of. It was a very shallow game and the updates didn't add depth.
for me, I am only willing to spend money on a battle pass for one game because that’s what I can afford. today’s games are, like you said, becoming a monthly bill and that’s not great given the fact that everyday life outside of leisure is already so expensive. These gaming companies are so focused on paying their shareholders that they end up giving us lackluster content that isn’t worth the price they’re ultimately charging.
I experienced this it with ebook pricing but I still don’t understand why they can’t make digital codes for games cheaper. If I’m not getting a physical cartridge I can play whenever, wherever for as long as I want, I can’t justify paying $40+ for a game.
Don’t pay it. I only consider digital at 50% off for a very wanted game. 75% to 85% off for most digital games, and I’ll take flyers on $1.99 to $4.99 games if I’m just looking to play something new. We need to be strong lest the companies force all digital and can gouge us endlessly.
i played PONG !! b'cuz Dad was an electronics nerd. He was the first kid on his block to have a tee vee in his home; in the basement in case it exploded.
Pong honestly was amazing!
FINALLY. Thank you so much for this. I never got heavily into DDV because I knew it was basically pay to play, and that really grinds my gears.
Acnh is better than ddv by a Longshot, and I'm still playing it 4 years later.
Games should be more expensive
Just so I don't create a massive backlog
The games that are being made right now absolutely deserve to cost way more than they do, but people are not willing or able to pay what their worth. The developers need to rethink the way they make games to make them smaller and less expensive to develop so that they come back to being appropriately priced at $60 or $70 again.
Stardew Valley
*mic drop*
games are too expensive as well as the damn subscription services!
Nintendo: we gotta make you pay 60 per game
3ds: "laughs in 30 dollars"
To me the problem is it’s a case of quantity over quality these days.
I will say out of all of the subscription models, I am completely fine with FFXIV (since the footage is being shared). They have sales very frequently for the entirety of the game, right now it's 60% off and the base game including all the expansions is 24$. And the new expansion that is coming out is 40$ for the base expansion.
Yes I'm paying 15$ a month to play the game, but I will say I have consistently spent more money out of "F2P" bait trap than I have for XIV over the years. I do get that people don't have expendible cash, I don't either. However if it means I don't go out to eat once a month which equals the subscription, I'd rather do that. But I'd rather prioritize my time that way. I'm very happy with FFXIV and I always have something to do in it. The devs are really amazing and do actually care about the game and its player base. Though I fear this is a sort of dying thing when I compare it to WoW or other games that have "battle passes".
I have major problems with AAA games and these so-called "AAAA" games that are not delivering on anything. So at the current? I play FFXIV and my various indie titles from Steam. I've got more than enough to last me for years at this point.
I have to agree, I feel like I spend more money with micro transactions than just a subfee so I limit myself to really only playing FFXIV. And I feel like I’m getting a quality product, definitely understand why people are averse to subfees tho, there’s also a free trial with no subfee too so people can explore the game a bit before they decide to commit.
@@Nifilway I completely understand being averse to it, and I'm in full agreement with your statements. I do think that XIV has handled it much better than really any other MMO. I really do like they've added a free trial for folks too and you can do a lot of things with that trial as well. I'm just afraid this sort of quality has become an anomoly within the gaming community. We've seen how other devs got really rude toward Larian Studios for their amazing BG3 game, and it does worry me a lot.
>The program I'm wiring the script in
>Me with my pirated copy of Microsoft Office 2003 🙂
I didn't even make it to dream snaps in DDV. I had a bug they said would need an update to be fixed. Two or three updates later, it still wasn't fixed. I uninstalled and moved on. I had spent enough hours in it that I felt like I'd gotten my $30 worth out of it, so no big deal. I'm glad I was out by the time they started the expansion packs.
Indie games are probably the most bang for your buck. Hollow Knight, Stardew Valley, and Celeste are literally 15 bucks for hundreds of hours of gameplay.
16:13 I actively refuse to spend any money on Genshin Impact or any other gacha game even if I play them.
And if I don't like how it feels to play them without spending my money? I'll stop playing! Easy.
Video games today that aren;t done, yes.
This video made me think of what the future of monetization in games is going to look like. Recently, Ubisoft came out with their “season pass” for Assasssins Creed ($70 game), which is a single player game. I’m worried that the subscription model might creep into the single player gaming experience, and content might become locked behind a paywall. Hoping that won’t happen, but I guess we’ll see!
Ty for the video!
Good god yes! I just put things on my steam wish-list and wait religiously for a sale. I'm always playing games way after the hype has died down, but damn. And games like the Sims I never buy in first place because I know the extra transactions are crazy. 🏴☠🏴☠🏴☠ is the only way with certain titles.
Unfortunately in Nintendo's case, I can only see them increasing the price of their games due to inflation and as said games get more expensive to make. Wouldn't be surprised if they started charging $70 for all first party Switch 2 games.
Nowadays, if you buy a complete game out of the box, that gets no micro transactions or dlc, people’s start claiming the game is dead, even though that’s how games just were back in the day.
Kids need constant support or they get bored and developers need to get paid to offer constant support.
There’s unfortunately no winning.
Also, Chrono Trigger was 90 bucks (Canadian) new in the 90s. Just FYI.
There are not many games where the $70 price tag is warranted. Like for example "The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom" while it's great, everyone was hyped for it, it's not a $70 game, it's on the same hardware, performance was a little iffy and it felt like at times a dlc for BOTW at times.
Also micro transactions in games can be done right for the most part, I think just having a way to earn some in game currency for free helps save players money.
I quit DDV for the same reasons, which makes me sad, I loved the base game then they just straight up said yeah no if you want to be able to access these characters which some of your quests will require you have to pay us more. DDV just makes me sad, and I feel lied too by their early promises that they would keep the shop just to cosmetics and the battle pass.
Gameloft has an amazing ability to introduce fun game mechanics, and then slowly suck the fun out of them through optimization. I've been playing one of their FTP mobile titles for 8 years, and it's always: 1) Introduce fun new minigame that's a bit too generous with rewards 2) slowly tighten up the rewards 3) Create a 'cash-in' feature that let's you skip the mini-games and get your micro-level rewards. They're the worst.
I do think finally adjusting games for inflation by less than they would have risen actually adjusted for inflation isn't unreasonable. It's also worth noting that game prices in the cartridge days could get ridiculous, especially for RPGs that required extra memory for all the extra Japanese>English text. Phantasy Star IV and Final Fantasy VI cost $100 each in 1994 money.
Maybe if people stopped pre ordering and buying stuff day 1 we wouldnt be here 🗿
Games are too expensive ... if you want them to be. Sure, if you always want to play the newest game that comes with season passes or heavily lean into free to play games with microtransactions you will end up paying a ton of money. However, there are plenty of games to play without having to pay a ton of money. Games are on sale all the time, you can get a ton of games via humble bundles/monthly and if you don't mind not owning the games you can play more games than you'll ever have time to play via Gamepass. And the future of gaming lies within the indie scene anyway and those are on the cheaper side to begin with. Just think about a game like Stardew Valley that can offer you hundreds of hours of playtime for around 10 bucks.
So no, I don't think video games are too expensive unless you choose them to be.
I am playing genshin for 3 years. Never spent anything there. Fully f2p. I payed with my precious time only 😂
N64 games were over $70 a piece and people had literally no problem paying it because the value proposition was still high. Now we're being nickel and dimed for nothing but an overwhelming deluge of cosmetics.
I gotta say I agree that Dreamlight valley’s monetisation methods are pretty predatory, even though I’ve played it every day for months. I’ve spent way more than I like to think about on this game. But at least I find it relaxing and have something fun to play every night
Hate to be that "but actually" but if steam pulls a game you already bought, (Dark Souls II and Spec Ops the line are the first two that come to mind) then you still own it, just nobody else can buy it
i fear at some point we’ll have a netflix variant for games and im not all too excited about that
If you have Apple Arcade, Disney Dreamlight Valley is there with the expansion and no MtX.
We do have to remember pricing now is much different than back then $60 is equal to $700 now so the price of video games has gotten much cheaper sense then.
I dont know how u got that number, but im pretty sure inflation from like 1990 is just around 3% so Games back then were basically 160$ todays money. Still way more but 700$??
That number is from when the first video game came out
I agree with spending more money on games if I feel the value is worth it. If I played a game for like a hundred hours, and I know I will play a lot more, I will put in money for a cool trinket or cosmetic.
I have found out that I’m definitely a Gacha enjoyer. I mainly play Genshin and I like it because it gives me the choice between spending my time or my money to get the characters I want. It feels better for me to spend 5 dollars every few months for a character I really want vs spending 60 or 70 dollars on a game I’m not even sure I’ll like
1. Gaming is an expensive hobby.
2. That $70 price tag is basically what you're willing to pay to be one of the exclusive first to play the game. All games go on sale. As long as you don't have "FOMO", you can eventually find a discounted price you'll agree with.
3. Check to see if your library has video games. Some of them actually do. Now they don't have as extensive of a library like Blockbuster or GameStop, but might as well get a used copy of a game for a week than get a new one that will inevitably collect dust on your shelf. Word of advice, if your library has game consoles, you may have to buy memory cards (or buy your own controller, joystick drift is definitely real when it comes to overused controllers)
I remember going to GameStop a lot when I was younger and then after buying a lot of switch games at GameStop I went to Walmart one day to see if they had a game I wanted that same game that was at GameStop was $10 cheaper at Walmart but then I was in Walmart started raising their prices and making the gains the original amount and that sucked
Single Player Games - 1 time purchase and dlc with new content is reasonable
MMOs or games that consistently update - 1 time purchase or free with a subscription or a cosmetic cash shop is fine
Anything else I am not really a fan of.. I cannot stand gatcha, loot boxes, battle passes, overpriced cash shops ect
Id also like games to be finished on launch unless they are very open about it being an early access game like on steam. And if you do, make it a cheaper price.
If it's not a Inde game, i will always be a sailor of the seas. If you know, you know.
I got tired of Disney Dreamlight Valley, the Star Path takes so long to do all the tasks. Currently playing Animal Crossing and Supermarket Simulator, (which is only $12.99.)
I stopped playing DDV a long time ago, i binged it and moved on to something else. i probably won't go back.
lmfao i have a huge problem with fortnite cosmetics - something about it has a chokehold on me. i have over 860 skins after only starting to play 4 years ago. i've by far spent more money on that free to play game than any other game combined.
Magnavox at $100 1972 is not reasonable lol, more expensive than a ps5
I kinda love Nintendo for just releasing a Game and its there, finished, full. Maybe sometimes a fun DLC that has his reason for existence (imma just pretend Pokemon Company isnt Nintendo here, lately i really hated Pokemon Games and stuff they make). F2p Games i never pay in. Not becuase i dont want to support the devs, but because i feel like the value just isnt there. 20€ for a skin, litereally just a texture for the price of a whole indie game with great art design, interesting story and hours of fun? Hell no. I just dont see it. Oh and speaking about Battle Passes, i just dont get them because i dont want to support fomo. And thats also why i dont have Splatoon 3. Like why? Why cant you make a Battle Pass that isnt time limited. A Battle Pass that maybe rotates over a year but if you really need to, you can time travel like in Animal Crossing. I dont know, even if it is free, i want all the content when i pay for a game. Not being limited to a specific time.
I've never felt so scammed by nintendo than with the Splatoon 3 expansion. First we got this do nothing S2 skin, and then Order Sector which was barely interesting for about a day and a half.
Same for Just Dance 2024. Here's this crappy catalog of 40 crappy songs. Oh, want the cool songs we advertised? Get Just Dance + monthly and PAY MOAAAAR. I regret buying that game so much, but there's no physical media in the box, just a card with a download code, so it's not like i can sell it. Ubisoft scumbags.
Did Kowa say eggs! thanks for another great video Kora! I would hate a monthly paid subscription game! Especially if I didn’t get monthly update!
Everyone who finished the monkey island knows: never pay more than $20 for a computer game
Take the indie pill. Fuck these big publishers.
Stardew Valley does it right 🙃💯
I live in Malaysia and games are like, 400
Games that REQUIRE online subscriptions to be useable should consider that in its price. For example, Splatoon 3 should be £30 as Nintendo knows everyone also has to pay £20 for Nintendo Switch Online and then another £20 if you want the DLC.
🤔hmm do they have to raise price, of a lesser quality product, cause a lower max of people buy each game? 🤔
Hey Kora! Thanks for the vid :).
What do you think about fortnite?
Meanwhile WoW:
"How many monetization models do you want?"
"Yes"
Funny, Masahiro Sakurai said games are too CHEAP!
I feel like Genshin isn't a good example for ¨bad¨ gacha. the game is fully playable without spending a dime, a good portion of the fanbase are f2p, the only thing you HAVE to spend money on are skins for 5-star characters and BP Weapons (most of which have free alternatives), this video was great but I feel like you could have expand on the gacha aspect a lot more, no hate by the way. I've played it for 3 years and have never spent money on it, the same is true for many players, gacha games are scummy as a whole but if we´re comparing how scummy they are, Genshin is on the lower end at least from my experience
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How do I like paying for games? By not paying for them! 🤪 Great video as always Kora!
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i don't pay anything 🏴☠️
If you've been paying $60 for games your entire life then you must not be old enough to remember when N64 games launched between $80 to $95, and the development teams at that time were likely half the size of development teams today. This video is nothing more than an ignorant rant.
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