I didn't even manage to listen to all 191 (!!) presets ... haha. So no. I'm still diving into the software and learning things. But already after one day, I have to admit that it blows my mind.
It seems like the entire new Superior Drummer 3 library is made up of soft to medium hits. They have completely neglected to sample any good HARD hits. This was never a problem with earlier Superior Drummer libraries - they usually had everything from pp to ff hits recorded. In this new version Toontrack have improved the software A LOT, but completely dropped the ball on the actual samples that make up the basis for the sounds. Very strange.
Well, I do not agree. It's all about the way how you record a sample. Toontrack's recordings have been always rather smooth all over the years. I think it's the other way - companies or softwares like Steven Slate Drums or common 3rd party sample packs - have focused more on providing samples with high transients so that the first perception is different. You can easily process Toontrack's samples that they are perceived as hard hits - by EQ'ing them, using compression or adjusting the transients. Furthermore, judging a drum sound without context to a song is always difficult and does not make much sense actually. And lastly, the MIDI grooves I used for this video play a crucial role as most of them were played and recorded not in the highest velocities. I'm pretty sure we'll hear sound examples in the next weeks and months where musicians will showcase how powerful those SD3 samples can be ;)
Thats it? Some of it was ok. Very clear. I imagine must be hard to make the clean presets sound studio polished and punchy. Addictive Drums is just smokin' out of the box. This might be better for tweakers and studio gnomes. The drums sound soft. They don't sound exciting.
I swore by superior until my friend showed me Steve slate, this doesn't hold a candle I'm afraid, although the midi grooves and fills are incredibly useful
Hello everybody . . . I have found this video interesting and wondered if I'm missing something . . . I have had this for a few days and I'm learning it . . . but where would I access "191 presets"? I have, roughly 20 different kit options at the moment but I may be looking in the wrong place! Any guidence would be greatly appreciated. (Now I'm gonna go hunt again to see if I'm just not paying enough attention) I've been really digging SD3 so far.
Hi Aris, thanks for watching. Well, those presets are more of a starting point for me. You know yourself that the way you mix the drums depends on the song, the other instruments, how loud the drums should be ... you name it. I tend to mix the drums completely on my own, but sometimes I use a preset to start with.
OC616 Well, the velocity is limited to 127 anyway. But I never thought Toontrack's libraries were too soft as they are heard so often in hard rock and metal. When you layer instruments, You'll get better results of course. That's the way Steven Slate Drums work, for instance
No, I actually mean "harder". I feel like it's hard to get that real "weight" using Toontracks stuff. Maybe it's my lack of ability but I suspect it has to do with the lack of hard enough hits being included.
It happens to me that everything works fine, except the Drums of SD2, MUSIC CITY USA etc, do not see the graphics and tells me that I have to update the library of that Drums, but I have it full. Do you know what the problem might be? I can not find an answer anywhere and everytime crash with that kits
I'll tell you Mike, Once I purchase this UG I won't need any of my other VST drum sample software programs - SD 3 well do it all. These are all great sounds- really tight, clean, crisp, punchy and very articulate. What operating system are you using and how much RAM?
I second this and I'm also curious about the RAM usage. I read some place that 16 GB would not be enough if all bleed content is downloaded and used. So Mike, if you would be so kind and share your computer configuration with us, as well as, maybe, make another video showing memory and CPU usage, for various levels of complexity of content loaded, that'd be great! Thanks.
Hey Mike! Cool Videos and really helpful for all drum enthusiasts. Thank you man! Okay here my question . SD3 I think is mainly produced for studio work. And I saw you're video how to mix Part 1. But where do I start as a live edrummer with my cover band? How do I mix my drums for live? We mix our live sound by ourselves. The mixer is an the stage. Should I use the default kits and use the mixer in SD3? Or should I use a preset? What about our band mixer? A lot of questions I know. But the problem is I am a drummer not a sound engineer. So much options. I think I need a workflow for that. Advice or some tipps would be really helpful. Thank you very much Mike
Hey Ralf, well ... I should talk about that topic in a separate video, I guess. There are some tips for using SD3 live, of course. As a first one, you shouldn't change the setup that often as the software always needs to load the samples. So probably the best choice if you stick to one setup and just change the snare ... so pretty much the same approach you would do with acoustic drums. But it's a good idea for another video as I get a lot of questions about using SD3 on stage.
Yeah a separate Video would be great. I think many drummer don't know how to handle a live mix. Also the problem is we sitting on the drums not in front. It must be a kind of a preset. And for some adjustments during the gig I think the macros are great. Cause they are quick and easy to use. Btw yesterday I played SD3 for the first time. You remember one of my last questions? Why should I upgrade? The sound quality blows me away. For 179€ I got so much fun. It worked instantly. Iam very happy with it. I think I make a video and show my setup. Have a n🍦 Weekend Mike
Yes, it is. You maybe have to run the update within Toontrack's Product Manager and make sure you've downloaded everything. Usually Toontrack provides the presets and MIDI grooves in a separate file. But yes, the "Arena Ambience" is part of the core software.
Any idea why the expanded room mics for SD3 when you download the entire package, are not accessible in "The Metal Foundry" Pack? Do you know if there is a way to add these room mics to the mixer for additional expansions? Kind of crazy how you can't access the extra room mics in TMF or Avatar. Any ideas?
Room mics cannot be simply transferred, because it’s a different recording. You cannot hear a snare from Metal Foundry in the room of SD3, because this snare has never been recorded in this room. There are some turnaround tricks to achieve a similar effect though, but there‘s no way to simply use room mics from one library to another.
I've just tested it one time. And it works pretty amazing. You have to tweak here and there, especially on overheads, but on the accuracy of the software recognizing snare, kick and toms is pretty good.
That's good to hear. I have the standalone software and it's very difficult to work with because it's not integrated into anything. How does SP3 do with backwards compatibility? I have a ton of SDKs and MIDI from previous versions. I appreciate the response, thx.
It is fully backwards compatible, meaning you can use ALL former expansion and MIDI packs. I have made another video about the libaries and expansions for Superior Drummer 2 ... because they even made new graphics and looks for the kits. Pretty awesome.
Did you install every single file from Toontrack's Product Manager? Including the update that comes along? Then the presets should show up automatically.
@@MikeLuke Nope.. there was no update file on my folder with SD3.. Can i use the update now and where i can find it? Also i have a file ".SD3P".. Its a preset.. Where i must put this file to appear on SD3 ? Thanks a lot..
Hi Ash, well, I used one of the MIDI files that come along with Superior Drummer. Those grooves are played by real drummers basically. And for the presets I changed nothing on the settings to provide the sound you'll actually get by default. Of course there are a lot of options to finetune the sounds.
Yes, 100% worth buying. You can use any external hard drive, even a 5400rpm. The type of external hard drive will just determine how fast the samples are loaded. But all types will work. And yes, I use a 2TB external hard drive with a Thunderbolt connection as I have to store not only SD3, but all of my other expansions as well and I didn't want to use two different external drives.
Was it my imaginiation or did my old SD2 kits actually sound a little better in the SD3 interface? I know the samples did not change but maybe they tweaked the processing a bit? I noticed when I purchased SD3 that my SD2/EZD libraries all had a small update. I realize it might have just been the placebo effect.
David McHenry Yes, I had the exact same perception, to be honest. I think it may be placebo effect or is based on the graphics that enhance the whole experience. ;)
The dry settings sound better in SD3, they have a bit more definition to the sound than SD2, but the rest of the stuff in SD3 sounds over processed, not as good as SD2 in my opinion.
I got the drill...but there's no presets there, and I don't know why ,when I try to install the other part (2,3,4,5) the sound updater file doesn't work. It only appear the menu but I can't install...
I feel like you have chosen the worst possible MIDI to showcase this tool. No dynamics, no hard hits, no ghost notes. All the same velocity. Just horrible.
rnodern It's sad that you think or heard it that way, because unfortunately this is simply not true. Every MIDI (except for the Metal ones, which is mostly at the loudest velocity at 127) contains dynamics, you clearly hear ghost notes, buzz rolls and changing velocities on the fills. I've picked different MIDI grooves for each genre style. So maybe check the "Jazz" presets and tell me if you hear the ghost notes there.
George Massenburg Presets: 0:15
Metal / Hard Rock: 2:18
Rock: 4:14
Room: 5:24
Pop: 6:05
Dry: 6:51
Jazz/Funk: 7:32
Modern Pop / Electronic: 8:03
Got an instant favorite?
I didn't even manage to listen to all 191 (!!) presets ... haha. So no. I'm still diving into the software and learning things. But already after one day, I have to admit that it blows my mind.
Mike Luke thanks. I gotta get it now for the room effect alone now I've watched this :-)
Mike Luke Did SD3 come with Bob Rock presets or did you download it separate?
moveover76 all presets come by default once you downloaded the whole software. So no need to download the presets separately.
That jazzy brush sounds incredible
Christopher Pederson Yeah, it sounds very realistic, one would not think that this is a sampled drumset.
many thanks! very kind of you to put in the work to help us all out ... 👍🏼
The Best Drums Virtual Instruments ever made !
I agree. :)
This is my last instrumental track (sd3 on drums) i hope you enjoy
ruclips.net/video/V73nEGXUeBY/видео.html
That Deftones sounding kit is a true godsend !
Agreed! Huge sound here
@@MikeLuke timestamp please?
This was good to hear the different versions...thanks!
The sounds are really amazing Mike, I tried a few this evening on my e kit. But I ' m still downloading.
Nice job, BUT you really need to use files that use all the drums and cymbals shown.
Sounds incredible man. Really tempted to buy SD3.
I'm totally blown away, to be honest. This software and the sounds are a game changer.
i have installed it but i couldnt find the presets, please help
same
ALGUIEN PODRIA EXPORTARME LOS PRESETS? NO ME FUNCIONA NINGUNO. GRACIAS
Mike, Georges presents are untouchable IMO. Damn
You're god damn right ;)
even santa is not allowed to touch georges presents.
It seems like the entire new Superior Drummer 3 library is made up of soft to medium hits. They have completely neglected to sample any good HARD hits. This was never a problem with earlier Superior Drummer libraries - they usually had everything from pp to ff hits recorded. In this new version Toontrack have improved the software A LOT, but completely dropped the ball on the actual samples that make up the basis for the sounds. Very strange.
Well, I do not agree. It's all about the way how you record a sample. Toontrack's recordings have been always rather smooth all over the years. I think it's the other way - companies or softwares like Steven Slate Drums or common 3rd party sample packs - have focused more on providing samples with high transients so that the first perception is different. You can easily process Toontrack's samples that they are perceived as hard hits - by EQ'ing them, using compression or adjusting the transients. Furthermore, judging a drum sound without context to a song is always difficult and does not make much sense actually. And lastly, the MIDI grooves I used for this video play a crucial role as most of them were played and recorded not in the highest velocities. I'm pretty sure we'll hear sound examples in the next weeks and months where musicians will showcase how powerful those SD3 samples can be ;)
Inside of SD3 when the groove is selected you can tell it how hard it will it. It goes from this all the way to Grohl esque smashing.
Thats it? Some of it was ok. Very clear. I imagine must be hard to make the clean presets sound studio polished and punchy. Addictive Drums is just smokin' out of the box. This might be better for tweakers and studio gnomes. The drums sound soft. They don't sound exciting.
No St Anger drums under Bob Rock? :D
All this preset are from the SD3 core library? or some of them are from expansion libraries (SDX)? thanks
Hi Fernando, all of them are from the core library.
I swore by superior until my friend showed me Steve slate, this doesn't hold a candle I'm afraid, although the midi grooves and fills are incredibly useful
The sample quality is subjective of course, but Steven slate's UI is objectively a nightmare to deal with. Yikes...
Steven Slate drums = thin plastic
Hello everybody . . . I have found this video interesting and wondered if I'm missing something . . . I have had this for a few days and I'm learning it . . . but where would I access "191 presets"? I have, roughly 20 different kit options at the moment but I may be looking in the wrong place! Any guidence would be greatly appreciated. (Now I'm gonna go hunt again to see if I'm just not paying enough attention) I've been really digging SD3 so far.
I have the same problem, did you find out?
The kit and groove at 0:50 immediately reminded me John Mayer's song "Only Heart" - ruclips.net/video/_9YR_D83iis/видео.html
I found that the stock presets are nor so mix ready ...
Hi Aris, thanks for watching. Well, those presets are more of a starting point for me. You know yourself that the way you mix the drums depends on the song, the other instruments, how loud the drums should be ... you name it. I tend to mix the drums completely on my own, but sometimes I use a preset to start with.
Lol those Toontrack presets sucked so bad. And, The George Massenburg presets kicked ass.
Can you get hits harder than these? I find that Toontracks weak spot always seem to be to NOT include hits hard enough for rock music.
I assume you mean "louder" when you say "harder", right?
More likely "harder" as in velocity. Not louder.
OC616 Well, the velocity is limited to 127 anyway. But I never thought Toontrack's libraries were too soft as they are heard so often in hard rock and metal. When you layer instruments, You'll get better results of course. That's the way Steven Slate Drums work, for instance
No, I actually mean "harder". I feel like it's hard to get that real "weight" using Toontracks stuff. Maybe it's my lack of ability but I suspect it has to do with the lack of hard enough hits being included.
lol...you need to learn about limiters and parallel compression.. recording 101
It happens to me that everything works fine, except the Drums of SD2, MUSIC CITY USA etc, do not see the graphics and tells me that I have to update the library of that Drums, but I have it full. Do you know what the problem might be? I can not find an answer anywhere and everytime crash with that kits
hello thanks for the video very interesting.
i have a problem of preset missing. how i can do?
where is the files and folder? thank you so much
8:32 SHE'S IN-VINCE-UH-BAAAHL
How to loaded libraries preset? I have electronic and more but i don't know how to find it
thanks dude! on video library with all microphones bleeds?
4:00
브러쉬 프리셋을 저것밖에 안보여주다니!! 부들부들
I'll tell you Mike, Once I purchase this UG I won't need any of my other VST drum sample software programs - SD 3 well do it all.
These are all great sounds- really tight, clean, crisp, punchy and very articulate.
What operating system are you using and how much RAM?
I second this and I'm also curious about the RAM usage. I read some place that 16 GB would not be enough if all bleed content is downloaded and used. So Mike, if you would be so kind and share your computer configuration with us, as well as, maybe, make another video showing memory and CPU usage, for various levels of complexity of content loaded, that'd be great! Thanks.
Hey Adrian, hey Sal ... thanks for your comments. I will upload some more videos in the following days including your questions, so stay tuned. ;)
Did these presets came with the software or you downloaded separately?
Hey Mike! Cool Videos and really helpful for all drum enthusiasts. Thank you man! Okay here my question . SD3 I think is mainly produced for studio work. And I saw you're video how to mix Part 1. But where do I start as a live edrummer with my cover band?
How do I mix my drums for live? We mix our live sound by ourselves. The mixer is an the stage. Should I use the default kits and use the mixer in SD3? Or should I use a preset? What about our band mixer? A lot of questions I know. But the problem is I am a drummer not a sound engineer. So much options. I think I need a workflow for that. Advice or some tipps would be really helpful.
Thank you very much Mike
Hey Ralf, well ... I should talk about that topic in a separate video, I guess. There are some tips for using SD3 live, of course. As a first one, you shouldn't change the setup that often as the software always needs to load the samples. So probably the best choice if you stick to one setup and just change the snare ... so pretty much the same approach you would do with acoustic drums. But it's a good idea for another video as I get a lot of questions about using SD3 on stage.
Yeah a separate Video would be great. I think many drummer don't know how to handle a live mix. Also the problem is we sitting on the drums not in front. It must be a kind of a preset. And for some adjustments during the gig I think the macros are great. Cause they are quick and easy to use. Btw yesterday I played SD3 for the first time. You remember one of my last questions? Why should I upgrade? The sound quality blows me away. For 179€ I got so much fun. It worked instantly. Iam very happy with it. I think I make a video and show my setup. Have a n🍦 Weekend Mike
Mike...the "Arena Ambience"...5:24...is that included in SD3? I downloaded all the parts but can't find them THANKS!
Yes, it is. You maybe have to run the update within Toontrack's Product Manager and make sure you've downloaded everything. Usually Toontrack provides the presets and MIDI grooves in a separate file. But yes, the "Arena Ambience" is part of the core software.
For some reason , my ‘user presets’ is blurred out, do you know why ? Cheers!
Any idea why the expanded room mics for SD3 when you download the entire package, are not accessible in "The Metal Foundry" Pack? Do you know if there is a way to add these room mics to the mixer for additional expansions? Kind of crazy how you can't access the extra room mics in TMF or Avatar. Any ideas?
Room mics cannot be simply transferred, because it’s a different recording. You cannot hear a snare from Metal Foundry in the room of SD3, because this snare has never been recorded in this room. There are some turnaround tricks to achieve a similar effect though, but there‘s no way to simply use room mics from one library to another.
@@MikeLuke Yeah, not sure why I didn't realize this. I know better. Sorry about that.
Does someone have drum samples of it?
unfortunately there's no Double Pedal function.
Nice!
Curious if you’ve worked w/the internal Drum Tracker and how you would rate it.
I've just tested it one time. And it works pretty amazing. You have to tweak here and there, especially on overheads, but on the accuracy of the software recognizing snare, kick and toms is pretty good.
That's good to hear. I have the standalone software and it's very difficult to work with because it's not integrated into anything.
How does SP3 do with backwards compatibility? I have a ton of SDKs and MIDI from previous versions.
I appreciate the response, thx.
It is fully backwards compatible, meaning you can use ALL former expansion and MIDI packs. I have made another video about the libaries and expansions for Superior Drummer 2 ... because they even made new graphics and looks for the kits. Pretty awesome.
are these presets from regular version?
Yes, they are. You need to download all parts of the software in order to see and use all presets
Top ssima👍🏽👍🏽
Dat Andy Sneap kick :9
I don't know if it's just crappy presets, but Superior always sounds so thin. There's just no balls to it.
It's your speakers.
Is those presets right in the core library or something to add ?
All those presets come along when buying SD3.
How does it compare to rock drum machine for iOS?
I don't think you can compare them whatsoever.
Are these presets right out of the box? They sound pretty good.
Yes, that’s the sound you get right of the box. 😎
msm cara do ez,é toontrack tbm né?
Hello guys..Where i can find these presets? I have SD3 already installed.. Thanks..
Did you install every single file from Toontrack's Product Manager? Including the update that comes along? Then the presets should show up automatically.
@@MikeLuke Nope.. there was no update file on my folder with SD3.. Can i use the update now and where i can find it? Also i have a file ".SD3P".. Its a preset.. Where i must put this file to appear on SD3 ? Thanks a lot..
UMMM...you charge for the project file?!
Tim Joseph Why not? You’re not entitled to it.
3:22 that sounds like Lars Ulrich drum kit
It sounds like all the articulations are turned off on the drums. Everything sounds like a one shot sample or is it just me? Is it off by default?
Hi Ash, well, I used one of the MIDI files that come along with Superior Drummer. Those grooves are played by real drummers basically. And for the presets I changed nothing on the settings to provide the sound you'll actually get by default. Of course there are a lot of options to finetune the sounds.
So if you buy Superior drummer 3 you get all of these presets?
Yes, that’s correct.
Hey Mike! Great video. So SD3 is worthy? Do you use an external hard drive to use it? A 7200 rpm external hd would do the trick? Thanks.
Yes, 100% worth buying. You can use any external hard drive, even a 5400rpm. The type of external hard drive will just determine how fast the samples are loaded. But all types will work. And yes, I use a 2TB external hard drive with a Thunderbolt connection as I have to store not only SD3, but all of my other expansions as well and I didn't want to use two different external drives.
do i need the EZDrummer 2 to get these sounds?
No, Ezdrummer is a separate program that works independently.
Mike Luke Alright! Thanks for help
Was it my imaginiation or did my old SD2 kits actually sound a little better in the SD3 interface? I know the samples did not change but maybe they tweaked the processing a bit? I noticed when I purchased SD3 that my SD2/EZD libraries all had a small update. I realize it might have just been the placebo effect.
David McHenry Yes, I had the exact same perception, to be honest. I think it may be placebo effect or is based on the graphics that enhance the whole experience. ;)
The dry settings sound better in SD3, they have a bit more definition to the sound than SD2, but the rest of the stuff in SD3 sounds over processed, not as good as SD2 in my opinion.
3.0.3?
Can't find the presets...and I have the software...
You may check the top right corner of the screen ... you'll find a box with "Default". Click on that and then the presets will show up.
I got the drill...but there's no presets there, and I don't know why ,when I try to install the other part (2,3,4,5) the sound updater file doesn't work.
It only appear the menu but I can't install...
you must download the Library Updater..it will work 100%..put the updater at each 2,3,4,5...it will take a time for update..it work like a charm!!
Slow Loud Big Rock - X-D ridiculous.
All these presets sound ridiculously good
@@christopherpederson1021 Yeah, like a modern day Led Zep
KKKKK BAIXAR QUE EBOM
Where can I download these presets ?
They are included in the software if you download it.
I feel like you have chosen the worst possible MIDI to showcase this tool. No dynamics, no hard hits, no ghost notes. All the same velocity. Just horrible.
rnodern It's sad that you think or heard it that way, because unfortunately this is simply not true. Every MIDI (except for the Metal ones, which is mostly at the loudest velocity at 127) contains dynamics, you clearly hear ghost notes, buzz rolls and changing velocities on the fills. I've picked different MIDI grooves for each genre style. So maybe check the "Jazz" presets and tell me if you hear the ghost notes there.
right...I was just saying, damn they sounded better on other videos wtf
Too few electronic sounds. :(
Hey Jeffre, basically there are over 200 electronic sounds included, I just didn't show all of them in this video.
@@MikeLuke Will the EZX Electronic expansion software works in SD3?
Jeffre Blanco Yes. All EZX work in SD3.
This guy "Mark Lewis" definitely needs to look for another career
;);)
lmao
Mark Lewis: *Laughs in Death SDX*
Rubbish no improvement, u guy's ate always in a rush to upgrade. Toms sucks like android app drums.
Thanks for watching and your comment, Jeff.