Indo-European Traditions in Theravada Buddhism Thailand 🇹🇭 ☸️

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  • Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024

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  • @quidestveritas659
    @quidestveritas659 7 лет назад +77

    The secularizing of Buddhism is the West is pretty indicative of the modern attitude to spirituality.
    I was interested in Shingon Buddhism when I lived in Japan, and it was probably my first bit of curiosity about religion as an adult up until then.

    • @mikehutchinson4826
      @mikehutchinson4826 2 года назад +2

      Shingon Buddhism mixed itself with local deities two times over. Its predecessor in India brought in the Vedic gods, which you can see in the exterior hall on the Womb Matrix Mandala. Also, locals always practiced Shinto alongside this. Very fascinating to me.

  • @juliem.4400
    @juliem.4400 7 лет назад +53

    Buddhism tends to just seamlessly blend into local religions. I'm half Vietnamese and was raised with the Vietnamese Thanist religion (polytheistic/animist folk faith) but also Buddhism. It is very hard for most western scholars to classify asian faiths
    example: are the Han taoists or Mahayanna Buddhists? - They either classify them as one or another. Truth is that most Hans are both simultaneously

    • @devata87
      @devata87 5 лет назад +5

      We Balinese also a mixing Hindu-Buddhism-local religion, we call it Shiva-Buddha. And we have the biggest Buddhist temple in the world 😊 but 😢

    • @LandersWorkshop
      @LandersWorkshop Год назад

      Well said Cat Princess!

    • @pieterwillembotha6719
      @pieterwillembotha6719 7 месяцев назад

      I thought the Han had their own folk religion even before the thinkers of Lao-Tzu and Kung Fu'tzu

  • @davidmassey4179
    @davidmassey4179 5 лет назад +22

    Excellent presentation. As an almost 50 year old 'pagan' that was initiated into both Therevada and Mahayana Buddhism in decades past I can assert there is much to be found of the Indo Aryan spirit in the Thai and indeed the Japanese(massively influenced by Indian Hinduism) and Tibetan traditions.

  • @cryptomnesiac
    @cryptomnesiac 5 лет назад +12

    Having studied Buddhism for over 20 years now I am grateful once again, in a new way because it is thriving in the face of the Abrahamic realities that so dominate the landscape.

  • @marks.3198
    @marks.3198 7 лет назад +26

    Interesting commentary on the forest at the end; I felt something similar when I went to England (pretty much all my family was from there). During a day trip to Wales, we went walking through a decently wooded area and there was something that stirred in me. I remember thinking, "Ah, now I understand. THIS is where all these folk tales and mythology come from, this feeling."

    • @Prometheus7272
      @Prometheus7272 4 года назад

      @@williamhaddoc The exact same feeling i got walking through the welsh forrests

    • @choonbox
      @choonbox 3 года назад +3

      I feel this too in some comment sections - This weird feeling that maybe trolls really do live here.

  • @kalanaherath3076
    @kalanaherath3076 5 лет назад +30

    Well, the Buddha himself was very much an Indo European since he was Aryan and he spoke Pali, an Indic language of the Indo European language family. 'Mara' is also a word from Pali

    • @theoutlander2873
      @theoutlander2873 4 года назад

      @Eric W. It didn't really change. It continued to mean "Noble" and follower of Dharma.

  • @momfoldinglaundry9963
    @momfoldinglaundry9963 2 года назад +4

    I live in Hawaii, and one thing I really love about it is how there are spiritual beliefs and customs here that are very deep as well as very local. People enforce kapu with all seriousness. Everyone believes in white walkers, and that menehune were real. We even have a local gray lady down at the tree tunnel. There are spiritual and supernatural beliefs that go with locations, much like in Japan. People practice all religions, though Catholicism is most common. But Japanese pure land Buddhism is also popular. It’s just a very different feel of community when the ghosts are real

  • @garychynne1377
    @garychynne1377 7 лет назад +7

    Thank u enjoyed this place. This spiritual island space. It is enlightening to see all these places. I enjoy your movies, points of view, and the places u show. A spirit under every leaf the sculptured walls in relief. I will wallow in my wealth and enjoy poverty from a distance. I will enjoy more and suffer less without guilt. Makes me wish I was in a grove right now looking into space. Who calls mother nature mommy. Tis I with the instincts of the lost to find my way. Take care Thomas. Gare

  • @judasiscariot383
    @judasiscariot383 9 лет назад +7

    Very interesting, I like your videos very much.
    Keep up the good work!

  • @Countcordeaux
    @Countcordeaux 7 лет назад +14

    Aryan Pali Buddhist checking in

    • @luvsuneja
      @luvsuneja 6 лет назад

      Namo Buddhaya _/\_

  • @freshface2991
    @freshface2991 5 лет назад +4

    My grandmother was originally Protestant. She then converted to Buddhism and identified as such till her death. My mother was pretty much raised Buddhist, but of the Mahayana tradition, and often listens to Buddhist music. When I was a child, she bought a cassette tape of a sutra sung in Sanskrit!
    “Namo” is a very common term in mantras which means “in the name of”. It’s akin to the Greek word “nym”.
    “Maha” is great akin to major or mayor.
    An “a” prefix denotes a negative. Similarly to words like atheist or asymmetric.
    “Raj” is king akin to rex in Latin.
    Interestingly I remember my mother commenting on how she heard the name “Brahma” in the Sanskrit cassette tape.

    • @justsam0511
      @justsam0511 4 года назад +2

      Brahma means they are entities higher than angels I believe

    • @Ahjaumoncynnaesuuard
      @Ahjaumoncynnaesuuard 3 года назад

      Theravada uses Pali not Sanskrit

    • @akritimattoo1092
      @akritimattoo1092 2 года назад

      @@Ahjaumoncynnaesuuard Pali and Sanskrit are sister languages, either way

  • @Arihanta1112
    @Arihanta1112 8 лет назад +8

    I'd like to see you do something on Mahayana Buddhism and Vajrayana Buddhism, provided you find connections to Indo-Euroepan traditions.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  8 лет назад +8

      +Arihanta1112 I might do another vid on Theravada when i visit Sri Lanka later this year

    • @Arihanta1112
      @Arihanta1112 8 лет назад +1

      Great. I'd like to see and learn more about Theravada.

  • @Budismo7917
    @Budismo7917 Год назад +1

    Something to think about it in the spiritual path what you said at the end of the video

  • @thejaguarchopra2705
    @thejaguarchopra2705 7 лет назад +40

    Christianity is like McDonald of religions where as Dharmic religions are a fine cuisine gourmet feast.

    • @Hamsterzilla1349
      @Hamsterzilla1349 7 лет назад +7

      Slander comes cheap.

    • @branman864
      @branman864 5 лет назад +1

      @Johnny Clash It's easy to be a Pagan. Much lower standards.

    • @branman864
      @branman864 5 лет назад +1

      @Johnny Clash No wonder Pagans got wiped out in Europe, then a great Civilization arose which conquered the World.

    • @Ahjaumoncynnaesuuard
      @Ahjaumoncynnaesuuard 3 года назад +1

      Christianity is like the greatest feast among the EA and SEA that breaks proletariats's yoke from the cruel regimes.

  • @stevejohnson6858
    @stevejohnson6858 9 лет назад +3

    I have a few friends who are from Laos and they are the same.

  • @Leo-us4wd
    @Leo-us4wd 3 года назад +5

    Shinto Buddhism looks interesting, apparently a lot of their gods are similar to the Hindu gods

    • @akritimattoo1092
      @akritimattoo1092 2 года назад

      Buddhism doesn't have a concept of God, the statues of Gods you see in Buddhist temples, are the same ones in Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism). I'm not sure why do they have the statues, the orthodox Buddhist temples here just have the statues of the Buddha and other teachers.

    • @horadolobo9357
      @horadolobo9357 2 года назад

      @@akritimattoo1092 Read the suttas my friend, Buda talk about Devas(gods) much times. Devas can help you and interact with you but you dont worship the devas.

  • @lokeshaman2615
    @lokeshaman2615 6 лет назад +5

    Hindu epic serials / programmes are a rage in Thailand these days as they are being produced in India in recent years ( with great vfx & all) and being translated into Thai. I had wandered why .. Lol .. This answers a bit of that. 😂

    • @lokeshaman2615
      @lokeshaman2615 6 лет назад +2

      Afroeurasian Cultures Bro, I am not his supporter or anything , I am here for some answers. I find his research & findings intriguing to say the least , his videos has answered many of the questions that I had. About that meme thing , I am not insecure about that. Validation from a foreigner , is the last thing I would want.

  • @Randomkloud
    @Randomkloud 2 года назад +1

    As someone from Malaysia, the jungle indeed is a place to be wary of. I'm sure many of these beliefs will be shared by other SEA people. Besides the main animal threats (tiger, wild boar, elephant) there's also spiritual ones. It isn't limited to mere ghosts or spirits, but it's believed that these entities make up an entire parallel civilization. An interesting natural formation or waterfall may be a Palace in the "spirit world", any random tree may be the home of an entire family of spirits (which is why people always ask for permission out loud before relieving themselves in the bushes).
    Dawn and dusk as transitional periods are believed to be when they leave their places and roam about. It's also thought that there are "spirit paths" that a human might accidentally enter and be unable to leave the jungle. As long as you maintain a respectful attitude a passing spirit might have mercy and let you out.
    It was also taught to me that one should never respond to anyone/anything calling out your name in the jungle after dusk, a spirit may take that as an agreement to, well, spirit you away.
    Spirit isn't quite the right word, maybe elf or fairy or fair folk would be a better translation.

  • @bajsbrev4651
    @bajsbrev4651 7 лет назад +6

    "In Europe this feeling lies dormant"
    Had you visited Sweden at this point?

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  7 лет назад +2

      yes

    • @bajsbrev4651
      @bajsbrev4651 7 лет назад +2

      Well I think there's a special atmosphere in forests where you know there's actually bears about in the area so I thought maybe you had changed your mind after maybe hiking about in Sweden (wherein Norrland in particular I think you can feel this) but maybe we just haven't thought about it the same way.

  • @Budismo7917
    @Budismo7917 Год назад

    Good thought at the end of the video I feel its not the same in europe and in other places like in latín america or usa but in thailand it seems like that pagan spirit mix well with buddhism and its feels more alive and i think in other asian countries you can feel it too. So 🇹🇭 gives you an idea of how it could be the world if paganism would live today as a religión or a common belief and thailand what a great fun environment a lot of gods and goddesses of fertility there🤣

  • @arbaabsheytaan6723
    @arbaabsheytaan6723 4 года назад +1

    The word for death in Farsi/Persian is "marg" which is cery similar to the PIE word "maraa" .

  • @karamlevi
    @karamlevi 4 года назад

    It’s good to know what that death spirit means now. It is true... now more than ever... do not depart from faith and high n great inner works or that spirit shows us how ugly life can get... he is fierce.
    Peace, guidance and synchronicity is better.
    I’ve met Naga spirit last Full Moon... if I had more to say I would...
    It was good and not bad. It did cleanse more Christianity out of me... childhood attachments... scary but not actually a problem.
    If the snake is loved the world around it is time to embrace the snake 🐍

  • @チョンブリーラームトルテ

    Lots of IE vocabulary hidden away in Thai too, and right under our noses too e.g. "baht" derives from the same word as "foot"!

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  3 года назад +1

      wow i bet there is a story behind that!

  • @thunorwodenson
    @thunorwodenson 8 лет назад +12

    I am a Wodenist Buddhist. By that I mean that Im spiritually Wodenist but practically follow the Eightfold Path and the Four Noble Truths stripped pf their supernatural elements as a practical guide to life. It was immensely helpful. I am always happy even in conditions that would trouble others. I am at perfect peace in all situations. I have walked out on all of my belongings twice to break my attatchment to physical objects. This includes govt ID. Buddhism is extremely useful. I highly recommend it. The power of the AngloSaxon Gods with the unattatched and ascetic qualities of Buddhism creates a happy and virtually unstoppable man.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  7 лет назад +17

      I am attempting something similar

    • @Armdfg
      @Armdfg 7 лет назад +5

      Why would you strip them of their supernatural elements?

    • @thunorwodenson
      @thunorwodenson 7 лет назад +3

      +Giuseppe Arminio De Falco
      I didnt strip the Anglosaxon Gods of their supernatural elements. I only stripped Buddhism of its supernatural elements. The reason is simple. I dont believe in reincarnation or karma. I believe that wicked people can live fantastic lives with no retribution. So I simply dont believe it to be true. However if you believe in those things I fully support you in that. I was only speaking of my own personal path.

    • @Armdfg
      @Armdfg 7 лет назад +6

      I was referring myself to Buddhism, sorry if i didn't make myself clearly understood. Anyway karma and reincarnation, uh? Makes sense. They are difficult to understand, ambigous one might say. Karma doesn't really mean that if somebody is a wicked piece of crap than everything will be wrong in his lifepath. Absolutely. Karma simply means that to anything there is a recoil, virtually equivalent in measure but contrary in quality, so to speak. That "recoil" may not have any material outcome, it might just produce a reaction within. Karma is not about human morals. The universe doesn't care about our morals, whatever they might be. You can be a glorious honorable individual, and yet find yourself in a living hell, and you can be a degenerate fool and have everything you desire served down with no struggle whatsover. Buddha never said "he who does evil, will have an horrible life", but it makes sense to say "he who does evil, will receive evil", because that's what is triggered and fed in his soul. And, of course, morals are subjective, that's also why Buddhism only focuses on strict moral codes for novices. Advanced practicioners are usually aware of this relativity or subjectivity of morality. Hope i pointed out at least a few good points. Reincarnation is even more complex to deal with. I can tell you i don't believe it either, in the way it is commonly understood. But the way it is commonly understood (a singular consciousness flowing from one body to the other, reguardless of species, race, sex, etc.) is just a popular superstition, not really what Buddha announced.

    • @thunorwodenson
      @thunorwodenson 7 лет назад +2

      +Giuseppe Arminio De Falco
      I thank you for taking the time to explain karma in such detail. Unfortunately that made it even less believable as a concept for me. The more nebulous indirect and unprovable a concept becomes the harder it is for me to believe. Now that being said nearly all belief is irrational. I could no better attempt to convince someone of the existence of Woden or Thunder or Tiw in a rational manner than any Buddhist supernaturalism. I guess I try to stay as rational as possible and as White as possible. So I only get as supernatural as I absolutely need and I only borrow the bare minimum from nonWhite cultures as I absolutely need. I was being overly simplistic in my definition of karma. I understand karma as not necessarily an equal and oppositite reaction but more of the idea that any action creates effects for better worse or indifferent. So technically from my Buddhist understanding its better to not create Karma for good or evil and do as little as possible. In that sense I do in fact believe in karma and live by it to a large extent. I live a fairly ascetic and monkish lifestyle. However I consciously break it at times because Im willing to live with the results of my actions for political action as one example. In that sense perhaps I take more of a Hindu view that a fighter should at times simply fight and live his role with equanimity in the face of adversity and karmic consequences as opposed to trying to avoid creating karma for fear of the consequences. To avoid creating karma out of fear could be considered a form of cowardice from a White mans perspective. I hope Im being intelligible here. Id rather be a good White man than a pure Buddhist.

  • @tippawan0sri3
    @tippawan0sri3 4 года назад

    🙇‍♀️🙇‍♂️

  • @vulpesinculta6357
    @vulpesinculta6357 6 лет назад +8

    Sidathra was an aryan. His ancestory are also our ancestors.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  4 года назад +3

      @Kleco102 ANI includes European ancestry FYI - the ANI was formed by Andronovo invasion and those people were genetically Europeans that lived in central asia

    • @asmirann3636
      @asmirann3636 2 года назад +2

      @@Survivethejive Europeans are a recent people in the history of world. They are probably a mix of Central Asians, Iranic and Indic people.
      Europeans can never be ancestors of Iranic or Indic people, because these people predate Europeans by millenias.
      So you claiming everything under the badge of Indo-European or Aryan is an intellectual deceit.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  2 года назад +1

      @@asmirann3636 lol that makes no sense because Indic, Iranian and central Asians are all more recently formed and all have European ancestry

    • @asmirann3636
      @asmirann3636 2 года назад

      @@Survivethejive With all due respect, this is historically inaccurate.
      Iranians itself have been around far longer than most of Europeans, let alone the Indic group. The only contemporary European group that existed in antiquity were the Greeks, and then came the Romans. The rest of Europeans have only evolved in the last two thousand years, some even later.
      However, you assign everything related to antiquity and millenias old history to people of Northern and Western European stock. This is historically inaccurate by all means. This group of Europeans do not have any history in antiquity. Their history has started in the AD era itself, where they were first mentioned by historians such as Pliny the elder, Tacitus.
      Therefore, making the later and very recent European groups as forebearers of ancient Indo-Europeans is neither historically tenable nor intellectually honest.
      In most likelihood the later Indo-Europeans such as Northern-Western-Eastern Europeans are an admixture of Iranic and Central Asians, and some others. There is abundant historical evidence of Iranic tribes such as Sarmatians, Scythians in Europe. And then we have evidence of Central Asians such as Huns, Mongols who invaded Europe. The result of such migration and invasion is what led to most present day Europeans settling in the lands which in modern times became their ethnic Nation states.
      To conclude, Northern & Western Europeans have nothing to do with the ancient history of Indo-Europeans or its society, philosophy, spirituality or accomplishments. This group is a very late arrival and the sad state of their existence has been meticulously preserved in the writings of Roman historians.

  • @Advtaiwan
    @Advtaiwan 5 лет назад +1

    Ever been to Taiwan? 🇹🇼?

  • @socialminds9894
    @socialminds9894 6 лет назад +3

    So where exactly are the Indo-European Traditions in Theravada Buddhism?

    • @uwotm8153
      @uwotm8153 4 года назад +2

      TheSocialMinds in the video

  • @Uniqp23
    @Uniqp23 7 лет назад +4

    Survive the jive do a video on mystical Indo European conquerors gomer(gog) Magog the two Indo-European brothers who fought for supremacy over one third of the world until Magog emerged victorious there is a legend in Irish myths referring to a group of Celtic tribes conquering Ireland in 1500 BC and they called themselves magogians do a video on world's first European civilization and the oldest civilization of the world Armenia udgassit rig is the Armenian term for rigveda.

  • @Sarke2
    @Sarke2 6 лет назад +1

    Ofcourse there are influences because Buddha belonged to the tribe of Scythian origin.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  6 лет назад +12

      nonsense

    • @keshavshah488
      @keshavshah488 6 лет назад +1

      Survive the Jive
      The Buddha was born in a clan called sakya and the entire clan was massacred when kosala kingdom expanded. Sakya and scythian (saka) are quite similar.

    • @Unlearning8248
      @Unlearning8248 5 лет назад +4

      @@keshavshah488 Sakya & Saka(Scythian) r only phonetically similar. Both Sakya & Saka r Sanskrit words and if u read Sanskrit texts u will find that they r completely unrelated. Sakyas were a warrior tribe ruling in eastern Himalayan regions of Indian Subcontinent. They were Hindus/Vedics from Solar Dynasty(Suryavansa- Dynasty founded by Vedic Sun deity/Surya). Sakas arrived many centuries later in India and that too only in the western regions of India, much distant from Sakya kingdom.

    • @Daradajee
      @Daradajee 5 лет назад +2

      His tribe may have been called Sakya, but they were probably not even Indo-Aryan by race. Most probably a Mongoloid race related to the Tharu people of the Terai with some Indo-Aryan admixture. The actual Scythians came to South Asia about three hundred years after the Buddha's passing.

    • @ashishlohani7683
      @ashishlohani7683 3 года назад +3

      @@Daradajee Nah. Tharu people mostly lived in inner terai regions of nepal. Buddha lived in outer terai regions. And tharus are indo-aryan tribe with mongoloid intermixture not otherway around.