Racial Differences in IQ (Intro Psych Tutorial
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In this video I consider racial differences in average IQ scores. This controversy reached a peak with the publication of "The Bell Curve" by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray in 1994. This led to publication of several papers on race and IQ stating that IQ is considered valid, reliable, and heritable, and that while group differences exist, the causes of these differences are not clearly understood. While concepts of race, environmental and societal forces, and genes may or may not all contribute to observed differences between groups, it's important to remember that knowing an individual's group membership doesn't tell one anything about that individual's IQ score.
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I always find it fascinating that certain people deny racial differences in IQ, but affirm racial differences in other areas of the body. Weird how different organs, different body parts, different genes have evolved over time between different groups, but the brain remained the same the entire time, no evolution at all, zero. At least, this is what one would have to believe if there are NO difference in race and IQ.
Racial differences were accepted worldwide until western civilization became heterogeneous and democratic. Then people like Marx, Locke, Freud, Ed Bernays and Walter Lipmann implanted ideologies to change the narrative
Yea, it's the funniest thing if you think about it. Feminist do it so often. They complain no drug or medical equipment gets tested on females. At the same time they say women are completly equal to men. Like girrrrrrrl how about you decide for one.
BTW if you're reading this and think those things should be tested on females for real - yes and no. In a perfect world it would get tested on/for females. It's often not economical, though. And don't forget that the standard male body is 70kg (forgot the height, but as you can guess rather short). Those 70kg standard male bodies are closer to modern women bodies than to modern male bodies lmao. At least I don't know a single 70kg male since leaving school.
Different organs?? What different organs exist between racial groups?
@@gorbachevdhali4952 I meant to say differences in organs, differences in body parts, differences in genes.
It just seems strange to me that all those things evolved differently, for different racial groups, but the brain, remained absolutely the same, no change all. Very strange.
@@dragonore2009 Sure. I think it's possible there are population level average differences in IQ, I think the real question is how much of it is genetic versus environmental.
My favourite Murray story is from a lecture when he started discussing people with less than average IQs. Some wokeling at the back jumped up and shouted 'How dare you describe anyone as having a less than average IQ?'
Everyone claims to be "woke" but somehow this subject has been swept under the rug to the point where it's not even a known thing.
Because when the truth comes out the whole leftist narrative falls apart .
@@dixonhill1108 "intellectual discrimination" ... you mean meritocracy? Yeah, that's the type of 'discrimination" that's good for the world.
People who are legally retarded shouldn't be commercial airline pilots.
In this crazy, woke world of alternative realities, science and the often uncomfortable truth have become dispensible, unspeakable and reprehensible entities to the woke, political left. Scientific studies are disected and the uncomfortable aspects are misrepresented and cancelled with the help of woke, PC-focussed media, while the "comfortable" bits are framed, hyped and indoctrinated to the unsuspecting public by the same organizations. This infantile effort to negate reality will ultimately collapse, as reality and its scientific analysis and explanations will always win against political ideology. But in the current environment, the world has regressed back to burning scientists and truth seekers at the virtual stakes of media outlets and platform-based public opinion.
@@samuellarsson3842 yeah you obviously haven't been paying attention. All you gotta do is google the term, genius.
@@christheswiss390 It's all part of the new alliance between Universities and the state . Just like with the church ... we need a separation .
No far-rightard argument, no leftist hysteria, just facts and straight clever arguments. Loved your video
He's white. He is clearly biased.
@User 2389 No one is legitimately trying to make every single person have identical IQ. The "equality" everyone is seeking is for everyone to have access to the things that help people meet their IQ potential: education, health, and peace.
Consider the Flynn effect. If you take an IQ test from 1900, you will score about 30 points higher. This is because IQs have risen over time. IQ is standardized so that the average IQ is 100 and most people fall within 85 to 115. An IQ of 70 is grounds to declare someone mentally retarded. So you could say by today's standards the average person from 1900 was retarded.
This is likely because mass education was not commonplace until the mid-1900s. Education matters a lot.
So when you see people from poor or war-torn countries scoring low IQs, you have to put that in context.
@User 2389 What evidence is there that the gap has stopped narrowing? I spent some time Googling but came up empty. I did find stats showing continuing environmental disparities that help explain the differences - ex. the poverty rate is 10% for white kids and 30% for black kids - and poverty in childhood affects development.
If disparities remain after everyone gets fair opportunities, that's fine. We don't need total equality of result and we would expect some random variation even if race had no link to genetic IQ factors.
But even if there is a natural racial disparity, you'd rarely be in a situation where you have to guess IQ based on race & demographic averages. When you hire someone, you don't just choose a random East Asian because IQs are highest among East Asians. You take 15 minutes to read the candidate's resume and interview them and you gets tons more reliable info on their skills from the way they write and speak.
@User 2389 Where is the trap? Even if total equality of opportunity is unrealistic and people are biased and tribal, I think what I'm saying matches the scientific evidence - that IQ is partially environmental and partially genetic, that certain families will be predisposed to be smarter, and the genes for high IQ do not fall cleanly along racial lines. There may be some genetic explanation for the racial IQ gap, but it's hard to confirm because we have identified no clear genetic mechanism - unlike the genetic explanations for race differences in and stuff like lactose intolerance etc.
I will admit that I went through Google Scholar for an hour and couldn't find anything clear on whether the racial IQ gap is closing, staying the same, or widening since the 2006. I did find this one sketchy 2018 meta-analysis by C.F. Comrie that said there were conflicting papers on the topic in 2012 but that's it. If you can find something confirming it held fast during the past 10 years I would appreciate you sharing because it would be really interesting.
I remember that when I was in university ten years ago, my psych professors were really skeptical about demographic criminal profiling. Yeah, most crime is within-race but that's not enough to finger a specific suspect. I think the more useful modern research was focusses on which people the victim knew with behaviour/personality traits that match the crime, like "She was stabbed 20 times and the body was never hidden, so we know it a was probably a crime of passion by someone less intelligent."
@Chris Coyne If you build a system and society where IQ is praised then through sexual selection the IQ could increase.
I have spent hundreds of hours working all over the black community in my area and I have definitely seen and heard the large IQ difference playing out in real life. Feelings of inferiority masked as haughtiness abound here.
what are you trying to say?
@@lastraven7205 what do you think hes trying to say?
@@teru797 ⚫️ have large intelligence difference
@@lastraven7205 Well do you think its true or not?
@@teru797 I'm black and its true lol
I once had someone try to argue that the iq test was racist, people will call anything racist; mostly due to their lower reasoning capacity
These people are so self absorbed in their world view that they need to shush
Anything making look bad X person's race is racist, untill it's too ovious.
Historically, the test was not exactly attuned to be as objective as possible. Racist is a strong word to call a test, but it cannot be denied that early versions of it had strong biases toward white, western culture. We should always be looking for ways to remove any cultural bias, especially since the goal is to examine our biology. This area of study has a tendency to attract “race realists” who love to use it as justification for their racism.
U from reddit?
they dont like unequal outcomes, except in sports because black people are biologically more athletic; but genes only influence whats on the outside.
Good environments don't drop out of the sky
@Ed Kempe Yes, because Earth is known to be easily changed by ancient people
@Ed Kempe exactly
You're right, a government that support a majority creates that environment, it doesn't come from nothing
@范德萨阿斯顿发大水发大水发阿斯顿发大水发大水发范德萨我和你吻别我爱你他妈的翔宇我和你吻别元的钱破开该 Because they still worship cows
@范德萨阿斯顿发大水发大水发阿斯顿发大水发大水发范德萨我和你吻别我爱你他妈的翔宇我和你吻别元的钱破开该 india has over a billion pp and so does china. africa starve thrm selves for stolen whiite farme rs land and not knowing how 2 farm 🤣 if they were over a billion they would resort to be cannibalss. they probably did uga buga
We observe the obvious, ....then try to disprove it.
The takeaway point for aspiring psychologists in medical students is that speaking about any sort of difference will get you labeled as a racist and therefore some sort of a hateful person. Take your observation seriously and treat your patients fair, but don't make the mistake of having wrong thing for addressing reality.
Yes, exactly. We need to fight racism by dealing with the hard facts AND THEN DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT! I agree!
@@xaquariix I guess you didn't get what I was saying. People call truth racism now. I don't care about "fighting racism," I care about speaking the truth.
@@cm2973 Then you are not seeing the full picture. You are creating a division between yourself and the issue that needs to be fixed. People of these groups score lower because of the prolonged systemic issues they've been subjected to. What's the point of knowing the truth when you don't do anything with the information? It is like knowing what quadratics are, but not utilising it for building structures.
@@cm2973 To further my point, what is the point of science, then, if we look at mere facts but don't use it to benefit ourselves and society. You are placing yourself in this dichotomic thinking, and that's where issues start to arise. You have the facts that generally POC score lower, but it doesn't affect you, it affects these people. If only you could work both points of information could the quality of lives be improved. Think again.
@@xaquariix instead of bending facts to fit your ideas, make your ideas fit the facts. Until we speak plainly we can't address the underlying reasons (mostly cultural) that certain groups under-perform.
This guy is just avoiding the elephant in the room. IQ and genetics is still a hot topic in genetics with recent studies done by BGI genomics (big Chinese genome company). Sad, but I don't think we'll see any more meaningful work on this topic come out of Western countries.
What elephant did he ignore? He obviously is not ignoring the topic since he put out a video. He summarized objectively the results of the research. Are you looking for him to emphatically state some conclusion that isn't supported by research but which is in line with your view? Where is this elephant?
oooooo. Where did you learn about BGI genomics? Ive never heard of it, and im on forums that discuss race without censorship. Although I know that recent genetic science outs intelligence inheritance at absolutely no less than 50% but probably more like 80%, something we all knew anyway. Where do I find those studies?
@@TrevorEMayo what he didnt cover, is recent genetic studies, obviously. But I have not finished the video... Im assuming he will probably only cover the Bell curve population studies -- something that has been known since the late 90s, so old news. These days genetics can tell what you look like, and how attracted mosquito are to you. OF COURSE THEY CAN TELL HOW INTELLIGENT YOU ARE --- that's just hidden because its controversial.
@@bevs9995 Wut where did u get that info from
@@TrevorEMayo they are treating you with kid gloves. If you want real read watch on this topic you need to leave RUclips.
Just as IQ is heritable, so are traits like aggressiveness or tendencies towards fight or flight behavior. The book “a troublesome inheritance” by Nicolas Wade describes how some groups have much higher levels of the MOA-A gene which scientists call “the warrior gene”. This gene explains why some groups are 4-5x more likely to end up in prison for committing violent crimes. But since we’re all not learning about this phenomenon, we’re destined to see a repetition of malevolent behavior and victimization.
Violent crime was never mainstream non-black culture, you have no real frame of reference
Have you considered other factors that lead to their increased aggressiveness and malevolent behavior?
@@davine405 Bro instead of asking questions try adding something to the conversation... dont be a waste of Internet space 😂
@@thephuckmaster9376 If I did, it would turn out to be controversial, wouldn't it?
@@davine405 Everything can be considered controversial depending on your audience. However, what are you doing with your life if your not willing to be risky? One can make the argument that there is no point in living if your not willing to risk and explore!
Regardless of averages it’s important to treat people as individuals. Even intelligent people can do really stupid things at times.
We're talking generally - huge difference in context . Culture , breeding habits etc .
This cult of individuality ignores group identity. No matter how much people want for there to be only individuals, people will insist on their group identity. It is part of being human.
Yeah.... how's that working out for us?
It is subculture and not IQ that holds many blacks back intellectually.
Did someone tell you that or what? You don't think that their 70 IQ's might have something to do with it?
@@beverlyhurd8556 He's right.
@@NanakiRowan You mean the part where he called you an ignorance racist bitch? Yeah, he sure was right about that!
@@NanakiRowanstupid people create primitive subcultures
I watched this two years ago while in my Graduate program because I couldn't get a straight answer from my PC professors. Utterly shocked (and pleasantly surprised) that this is still on RUclips.
@Detailed Mess My body may be dead citizen, but America never dies.
"Utterly shocked and surprised this is still on RUclips ".....do you people have any original comments?
@@ronaldtaylor8326 Do you have anything better to do with your life?
@@RealAugustusAutumn I'd ask you the same but we're all here lmao..
@@ronaldtaylor8326 Except I commented with purpose, you're just browsing
Races are very blurred in the USA. Research should be done in central Africa, central China and central Europe. where the gene pools are more reliable.
This is certainly an issue in the US (where lots of IQ testing has been done). This does mean that the US potentially offers more genetic diversity within arguably more similar environments, while other places may offer greater genetic homogeneity but complicated by larger environmental differences between people in those areas.
Studies have been done in all those places and line up the data used in the Bell Curve.
@@PsychExamReview Yeah, USA has a lot of race differences
Central Europe has no white people left mate
Research has been done in all continents, including Africa. This research has been summarized by Richard Lynn and others, and it basically supports the 'Bell curve', except that the average for Africans is even lower than that of African-Americans.
The reason this is swept under the rug is because so many people (understandably) take this as a sign of racial superiority. Some comments here reflect that.
As a black man I'm grateful to see that most comments here don't make me feel inferior, but proud to see fellow humans bow to uncomfortable truths and reject lies. Thank you for the video brother ✊🏿.
Edit: Not a black power fist. Just standing in solidarity with truth.
There is a reason for it. By equating these iq scores with different racial groups and then calling it genetic, they want to construct a picture of blacks as being inherently inferior and this also negates the burden of their exploitation of blacks for centuries. This also justifies the structural and systemic racism of their ancestors and racism in America even now.
@Trevor Very well said. Thanks for responding to Jurassic Grant.
Hey, after dabbling in this knowledge social situations may throw some people off (as they imagine how the person they’re talking to brain is processing all the information - when truly none of us know as we only have the knowledge of our own heads in us ) I don’t wanna come off racist. Just tired of my research going to waste. I see you have an open mind so I thought I’d share. Your comment even helps better prove my research efforts: which are- black people are naturally more intelligent then white ppl- here’s why. Melanin vs no melanin. You could tell how everyone would feel even when they read this. When it comes to emotions (the strongest power in the universe) black people naturally have the HIGHEST UNDERSTANDING - you’re brain works 10x faster then others due to your melanin as your whole body is your temple. Not just your brain. You often understand a situation to it’s full caliber , the knowledge you naturally obtain from situations and your hyper senses actually give you a major advantage. (tho balance is key to the universe ) . Tho , the portrayal of your thoughts might come off slightly less coherent when put to a IQ test but - when a situation comes to life or something happens in the heat of the moment you will often know exactly how it will play out so you may find yourself not putting in a effort in your social ques because you already know. So you’re just making conversation - you’re the top dawg don’t trip.
@@bikeshop2002 Well done I guess. The important thing to remember is that your IQ doesn't fully make up your character. I know plenty of intelligent men that have made questionable choices in life and dashed any chance they previously had at success. If what you say is true, do good things with your advantage.
@@bikeshop2002 In science, we call that an anomaly. On youtube, we call it bullshit.
Fantastic video. I'm sorry to say though, if this ever becomes popular RUclips will remove this immediately as hate speech and ban your channel.
Let's hope not 😅
They will
Nobody cares. I doubt anyone gives a shit.
I talked to a manager once about doing IQ tests in the hiring process. HR had turned it down, their reasoning being that the way questions were worded caused the testing to favor certain races, and that races think differently.
One thing I heard was that IQ tests in America have been made harder over time so that the average still ends up being 100. So people from a 100 years ago would have scored lower on today's tests than the tests from their era. I'd be curious to see how those tests compare to these results.
that last paragraph can easily be tested by recovering the old iq tests and giving them to people who had their iq estimated recently
IQ is lie
@@greatgreat601 iq is real. In the world, at work, in comedy, in football, boxing, survival, etc.
@@t.albertobarbosa9615 Not true psihology is lie.
@@greatgreat601 RUclips is quite sensetive when it boils down to these topics. But take for example boxing. The one with higher boxing iq will fight better. Some societies have thrived because of naturally higher iq. More organized, less crime, less hunger, more safe and peacefully. Others are at war, killing themselves, fighting, hungry, and destroying everything they touch.
Yes there is a difference. Yes, genes & race are a huge factor in intelligence and iq, yes blatts are ranked last 100% of the time the tests are done
@Proud2be White holy shit do you genuinely believe that? Because if you do, then you may wish to look at yourself. Because racism and prejudice are also inversely correlated with IQ.
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath Yeah no, a big part of my degree involves psychometrics, I am acutely aware on this subject. Keep your pseudoscience nationalist bullshit at bay dickhead.
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath Again, not an argument you moron hahah, I don't care about his credentials. The entire idea behind race and IQ is greatly misunderstood. You have to know he history of IQ testing to begin with before you even think you have a clue. And again, his authority means nothing when the entire premise of that argument has been debunked. I'm sorry that you're a racist piece of shit hahahahaha
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath Again, being offended at being called racist doesn't change the fact that I major in Neuropsychology. You're an idiot and I don't have any compassion for people like you.
@@SoloTravelerOffTheBeatenPath have a link to his channel?
This is so blackpilling. Im black and I never wanna take an IQ test
Watch videos on Identical Twins separated at birth and then reunited later in life and you will see that Genetics is THE BIG FACTOR in determining who we are, not nurture.
Well, a blunt person I know once said while holding a glass of scotch, " One culture put a man on the moon, while another put a BONE through its NOSE !!"
@User 2389 Well one culture had early access to fertile, temperate lands and a variety of different working animals, and one didn’t. You can’t take everything at face value, buddy.
@@bignerd0452 then build a seaworthy boat and get the fuck going.
@@ImGoingSupersonic Going where?
@@bignerd0452 idk away from Africa. To fertile, temperate lands
@@ImGoingSupersonic Why?
I think the reason people avoid this subject (as much as it's true) is that it can be used to discriminate, generalize, dehumanize and look down upon certain racial ethnicities very easily. And I say this more so out of experiences I've heard from others hurling unecessary nasty insults at people of different ethnicities a quoted example "You're all borderline and naturally retvrd3d, believe me you won't even make it to university and those of your kind who have done so only cheat or rigg the system. You should just be classified into a different species at this point!!!". This actually baffles me to this date. As much as I can say I have certain biases towards my own race, I believe in treating all who show basic decency, humanity and civilness, regardless of color, with respect and kindness.
Who would be more prone to decency, kindness, altruism, and self awareness, someone with an IQ of 105 or 85? THIS is why its become "taboo"
@@jameseldridge3445 There is no correlation between kindness , altruism and intelligence. The 105 IQ you refer to as altruist ( east asians) have a very homogenic mindset and are insistive on socially dividing people according to their ethnic backgrounds ( that means certain ethnicities are prevented from taking part in certain recreational activities ). The west still exploits and stunts the global south with their interest at heart, destabilized the middle east ( USA) for their own gain and ignoring this is ignoring reality Also this is a strawman to the point he was making.
@@jameseldridge3445 IQ has no correlation with Decency , kindness, or altruism you fucking idiot. Its been taboo because people like you create civilizations like nazi germany or the confederate states of america when left to your own devices.
@@jameseldridge3445 higher IQs tend to be less happy and lower IQs tend to be more happy I’d think the happier ppl are more prone to the things you mentioned just look at the down syndrome employees at the fruit isle of your local market
387 views, when im watching, I first searched for sex differences in IQ, and then you talked about race differences and I got intrugued as I realy liked how unbiased you seem :)! Great work
I live in scandinavia and it's incredibly hard to talk about these subjects over here.
Thanks! I've tried my best to stay unbiased and present the differing viewpoints as this is a complicated and controversial topic and I'm certainly not an expert. These are things that are difficult to talk about in many places, not just because of their complexity, but unfortunately because of character attacks and accusations of ulterior motives aimed at anyone who investigates these subjects. In some ways I think this can make engagement even more useful for students because it demands careful attention to methodologies, sensitivity to potential misinterpretations (intentional or not), and a willingness to set aside personal opinion or bias in order to attempt as much objectivity as possible.
Thanks for commenting!
I do have a video on sex differences if you didn't find it before (for which all of the above comment also applies) ruclips.net/video/MgllWKhO4ig/видео.html
@The Truth about Africa hurts Anyone who read your comment knows how stupid you are
@The Truth about Africa hurts your prevailing I.Q will surely make this discussion meaningless then.
Also, if you're gonna be racist at least have the balls to say the full word.
@@sumthing5382 do you have racists under your bed? And in your closet? And hidden into the shower. ?
@@buyanyjeansnecessary How rediculous your word is ! SO ....funny, hahahaha
Genetics are very interesting. My parents were extremely smart but I'm rather stupid. I wasn't adopted either. I'm the youngest of 5, so there could be a correlation.
You have a unique type of intelligence that you hace yet to discover.
"Regression to the mean" means that, from conception, you were unlikely to be as smart as your extremely smart parents whether natural or adopted.
The fact that you even consider that you might be stupid makes it seem pretty unlikely that you're actually stupid. In my experience, most stupid people just kinda assume that they're smart and don't give it much thought.
@@SmileyEmoji42 can you explain further
Also what are your references?
Does this explain why some kids are smart while having parents who did not complete school?
@@autopedia2647 Imagine that your parents each have 10 genes related to IQ, 6 are average (i.e. they enhance IQ), 3 are above and 1 is below - You will inherit 5 from each selected at random. You COULD get 4 average and 6 above or you COULD get 8 average and 2 below but MOST LIKELY you will get more of the average than either parent.
I'm east Asian and I think myself as not smart enough. We should watch people individually.
I see now why the bell curve is a hated book it is the key that’s thrown away by those clueless to what it opens. This is not a key to hate but a key to change our environment and culture to be better. Genetics, statistics, nor math have hate towards anyone. It is the truth. Coming from a latino I’ve studied genetics psychologist loosely but I always had a thought that genetics played a role in intelligence I grew to learn it’s both environmental and genetically.
I have similar feelings and thoughts.
One point that must be brought up is that it was the readers who made the racial difference a big deal, not Murray and Hernstein.
The IQ curves you draw are not very accurate. They do not show the enormous difference at really high and low IQ levels. That is where the problem is. You don't need a Mensa-IQ to figure that out, but it helps :-)
Also, black and white mean difference is not 15%, is actually 100 to 70. So it is 30%. In the US, probably, because US blacks are very much mixed race, that also explain the gap shrinking. But for pure blacks and pure whites, the gag is steady 30 points. Also environmental factors: culture, economy, education are already accounted for. It is clear that the IQ difference is due to genes.
@@seanleith5312 IQ is lie
@@greatgreat601 Is Mathematics a lie too? Ask any psychologist, IQ test result is the most reliable indicator of success in career and life.
@@seanleith5312 carier isnt onliy matters in life
@@greatgreat601 iq denial is cringe
I laugh. A dog watching its own reflection in a mirror. A YT person looks at his own reflection and ... It's not an intelligent conclusion...
These tutorials are such a big help to me. I am going to school online and they provide a lot of solid written instruction but I am a very auditory learner so being able to hear explanations and ideas is just what I need. I am also SSD so I totally appreciate the lack of background noise and sound effects. Keep up the good work!
I'm glad that you're finding my videos helpful, thanks for commenting!
Who has Invented 95+% of all advanced / complex inventions, since 1900 ?
Not you or anyone else you know. This means that you're no smarter than blacks lol
@@NanakiRowan What a dumb thing to say. I bet I know what color you are.
@@beverlyhurd8556 Just because it's true, does not make it "dumb". Seethe.
@@NanakiRowan It seems that you are incapable of posting anything that is not dumb. I wonder why that is. Not. 🤦♂
@@beverlyhurd8556 Just because it's true, does not make it "dumb". Seethe.
Everything We are is a mixture of nature and nurture
In regards to the argument about how caste systems show that intelligence is more affected by social structures, studies have also shown that even within one racial group, there is a genetic variation amongst different castes. A majority of caste systems, a member of one caste married and procreated with someone from the same caste, thus leading to the development of an isolated genetic population. In Japan for example, the genetic difference is observed in the phenotypes (a result of genetic and environmental factors) in which those of upper castes had more frequent instances of traits such as aquiline noses and fairer skin in comparison to the general population.
Skin and nose doesn’t determine intelligence 🤦♂️
@@jjj-bl8yf You missed his point.
"Now wey awl da wite wimenz be at???" There's your IQ test.🙉
At 04:06 your curves a not correct!
It looks like you just shift the top.
You should shift the whole Bell-curve to the left or right. That would better show the real problem.: The difference in the relative number of smart and dumb people between different groups.
All you have to do is look at the disfunction in Africa to realise the dramatic effects of IQ differences between groups. That continent is a persistent basket case that will pull the entire world down.
Wasn’t so until a while ago.
*Dysfunction. Don't you realise that history and colonisation will probably help you understand why certain undeveloped or developing countries are like they are?
@Racialist Slayer Oh yeah? Then why is the average IQ for every black country right at 70? Or are you going to deny that as well and further prove me right about your ignorance??
And there seems to be a lot of intellectual dysfunction in the west currently if someone can make a simplistic take like this
@@beverlyhurd8556 cite your evidence .... Cause oh do trust me your the one talking out of your arse and ignorance here
So, if there is a 15 point difference between your IQ and that of your brother or sister, it's probably genetics, because you were raised in the same family with the same parents. That same IQ difference between 2 different ethnic , national or racial groups may have a bigger environmental, or cultural component. The rational view at this point, is to say we don't know how much genetic, environmental or cultural factors contribute to these racial differences.
In the "nature/nurture" debate, culture is often overlooked. Maybe some groups have cultural standards that encourage or discourage education, apart from social class or economic standing. You handled the controversy very well.
Why would the rational view be to say we don't know? Just because there are bigger environmental differences than between siblings? Surely the rational view is to evaluate the evidence, like that the more heritable IQ subtests have greater racial differences in scores, suggesting a high heritability of the racial gap.
You sound honest, so I’ll just say that I much of your argument here has been disproven. Your operating axioms are two fallacies, the continuum fallacy, and Lewontin’s fallacy.The transracial adoption study compares children with the same genetics in different environments. My main contention is that in today’s society there is no acknowledgement that these differences exist and can explain away many social patterns.
I agree that there's some problems with some of the arguments presented here (which aren't really mine) and perhaps I haven't gone into as much detail as I could in the possible refutations. I think you're correct that both fallacies apply here; the continuum fallacy in that races may still be distinct even if the exact categorizations between them are vague, and Lewontin's because more genetic variation within races than between them doesn't necessarily negate a taxonomic concept of race. This is a controversial topic and as a result I think both sides tend to marshal any evidence and arguments they can find to "win", resulting in perpetuation of certain arguments, and, as you note, an unwillingness to acknowledge possible flaws in either the evidence or the arguments on one's "side".
@@PsychExamReview I appreciate the response
see thats what i mean these theories are just not right they are done in a manner thats not fair to blacks and other minorities. and i think its offensive if someone says that i am very smart and that its weird that im black its not right its like saying something positive and taking my work or parents genetics away and turning it in something negative to make themselves feel better
Great objective analysis of the racial IQ bell curve! I think one thing that is often left out of this discussion is the relative unimportance of IQ alone in determining a person's overall success in life. While IQ is definitely important, behavioral differences and character attributes are probably much more important. Otherwise we would see nothing but people with genius level IQ running everything in the country, but that is not that is not the case. Regardless, college admissions should NOT be based on a racial quota system. There are colleges, universities, and technical schools in this country that are better suited to those with more average IQs.
you have a rational opinon
If one side has to assault u, call u names, and smear ur reputation to refute ur position rather than presenting counter evidence I tend to think they are running on emotions rather than facts.
In today's world the cancelled people usually wind up being correct.
I’ve found these very interesting, I’m studying psychology at a top university in South Africa, and we focus on decolonising our perspectives (to an extent) and so our content on this focuses on the misuse of IQ tests in terms of race and not much more (yet, I’m only in 1st year). I wonder how your content would differ if you were from a non-western society
How is this a perspective? The brain is a computer. Just as different computers can be more or less efficient running the same program, so can human brains.
We know that based on evolution, populations exhibit an average of a gene as a whole. The efficiency of the brain wouldn’t be so radical a trait included.
You have to ask yourself if we are genetically smarter than Neanderthals, why did the measuring of genetic intelligence just stop there forever? Did the brain really just stop changing?
@@jeremyg591 This may be true but irrelevant. No one questions whether some people are smarter than others. The question is whether race plays any part in determining this genetically. That answer has been consistent. Despite looking for a hundred years we havent found any direct evidence for this and the indirect evidence points both ways. We just have no way of knowing what part genetics plays in determining differences in group intelligence. Too many caveats in the question to get a scientifically meaningful answer
@@jlrinc1420 I strongly disagree. Race has almost everything to do with our genetic makeup because race is just population clusters that have interbreed in isolation to the point of exhibiting totally different averages for their traits relative to other populations.
The only “misuse” of IQ tests is that it shows an unfavorable reality.
There is science to back up that
1) in total brain size subsaharan Africans have the least, East Asians have the most
2) in total neuron density, same thing
3) in frontal lobe size, same thing
The science is there. For instance, subsaharan children fail the mirror test longer than white or Asian children.
One of the reasons South Africa is failing is strongly due to the huge hurdle lower IQ communities face in integrating themselves into a society built with the complexities a higher IQ finds sustainable.
@@jeremyg591So you agree that we are more intelligent than Neanderthals, yet, they had bigger brains than modern humans, and later you argue that cranial capacity affects IQ between races.
However, I do like your comparison to computers, as it suits my stance better. A motherboard can be more efficient depending on how it is wired, like how we far exceed Neanderthals and elephants despite their larger brains, and yet, we differ in how we think, it's all wiring.
@@NulledSeries Neanderthals may have been as smart or smarter than modern humans, but simply got out competed.
Europeans and East Asians tend to have more Neanderthal genes than sub Sahara populations with East Asians having more than europeans.
A quick google search turned up that subsaharan populations have roughly only a third of Neanderthal DNA compared to eurasians.
Here's an experiment for you. Two groups of randomly selected Black students took the same exam. One group was told the exam scores were based in intelligence and the other group was told that scores were based in how well one studied. The group that was told it measured intelligence did not due as well as the group that was told it measured how much one studied. I read the article and know why there was such a significance difference, but I will let you geniuses figure it out.
Do it with other races and do the test multiple times with different people.
IQ tests are not about what you can, eventually learn, they are an 'on the spot' evaluation. But yes, pick all of the subjects from an IQ test and teach a child from birth those subjects, then yes, for the most part, they will do well.
I don't think you understood what I tried to explain. There is this thing called stereotype threat. If people perform a task, such as take a test, that they are expected to do bad on, the expectation itself will interfere with their performance at am implicit level. As you could imagine (use your wildest imagination) every little amount cognitive effort will make a difference in performance. The IQ test measures IQ test performance better than it measures anything else. It is more reliable with some populations than others.
@@rbrtrdz9574 I know about the power of positive thinking.
Anticipation can work positively and negatively... what do they say?
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Attitude and approach in mindset... gotcha!!!
Whatever genetic differences exist between races the fact of the matter is that they are so small as to be insignificant in the real world, humans are 99 times out of 100 more alike than they are different.
@Mike Kane There is no sound genetic reason for an IQ shift
@Trevor Yet still there is no sound reason for such a genetic shift to occur in these populations
How come that Caucasians with supposedly one of the highest average IQ did not have an advanced civilization until 400 CE, while Nubian's, Egyptians, Indians, Middle Easterners, West Africans and many others had advanced civilization starting thousands of years earlier? Basically, Western Europe is one of the last regions on the planet for advanced civilization to emerge. It has only been the last 200 years that Caucasians became a major player in the history of the world.
Please quantify what it means to be "a major player in the history of the world".If you look at all those previous advanced civilization and compare them to those civilizations Caucasians created, then the those previous advanced civilization are not very advanced. If you look at human progress then Caucasians civilizations have made the most progress. Caucasians create democracy, which gave people power to be free, thus giving people with higher IQ to advance society as they were no longer chained down by an authoritarian society. Caucasians created a civilization that gave unlimited potential to people, no other society did this.
@@ducknwater3016 complete and utter non-sense. Every single claim is pure fantasy. This is how it makes more sense. "If you look at all those previous advanced civilization and compare them to those civilizations Caucasians created, then the those previous advanced civilization were much more advanced. If you look at human progress then Caucasians civilizations have made the least progress. Meditteraneans imagined democracy, which gave the upper class a ruling system, thus giving people with more wealth the ability to enslave the rest of society as they were chained down by a united front of wealth, in an authoritarian system, that is claiming to be the will of the people. Caucasians created a civilization that gave unlimited potential for cruelty, slaughter and slavery to people, no other society did this."
>west African, Nubians
>Advanced civilizations
Pick one
@@ducknwater3016 Nonsense. Africans created science, writing, mathematics, architecture, geometry, philosophy. Democracy is a concept that has been around as long as tribes exist. Europeans just claim to have invented anything they find out thousands of years, later to others. Just like they "discovered America" they "discovered" democracy. The only thing Europeans are truly responsible for innovating is racism.
Good that you don't come with some conclusion, but rather state that this is a question we don't know the answer to as of now. We simply don't have sufficient evidence to conclude in either direction. We will have to wait for the geneticists to completely map out the genetic components to intelligence, and then we can find the answer to this question.
I’m a black kid from South Africa and I must say I was a bit worried that the video would take a dark turn. But honestly, I’m quite satisfied. I think that this was an excellent video.👍🏿
maybe that's the problem with your belief system.. u only want to believe in something that benefits your culture and makes u happy once your ready for all disappointment is when your ready for all spiritual relief and you will truly be happy!
@@thephuckmaster9376 Despite these claims and facts, you can't assume they're foolish or less intellectually gifted. Majority of art, styles of dressing, philosophy and even certain technology came from that continent. They are creative and actually some of the greatest minds stem from there. Yes, they are considered to be less intelligent but it would be ignorant to deny their contributions in the past and even today.
@@davine405 That's a misconception u cant consider them less intelligent than anyone.. I never once said anything about there intellect I'm speaking to one person and that's not you!
@@thephuckmaster9376 I am fully aware of that. That was merely a contribution. My apologies if I said anything offensive to you.
@@davine405 No need for apologies.. just don't let it happen again brotha.. carry on
you can generally make assumptions based on large average differences but yes its good to treat people as individuals.
As a student this video has been very helpful
Indians are the most intellectual race you will ever see...no doubts.
No doubts? The average IQ of someone in India is 76. So what kind of Indians are you referring to?
They are good microsoft support technicians.
Brain sizes between races are different that plays a part no one talks about for the most part
Brain size =/= intelligence. Einstein's brain volume was low-average. Also, classifying skulls by race isn't reliable - it's very easy to confuse the skull of an east-Asian individual with the skull of an African individual.
@Omar S do any animals have huge brains I dont even know
Being from a different curve is called prior information, and it does tell you something. You update that information as you get more information, but it's where you start from.
Life has facts and no diversity or inclusion will override facts.
Without a study in Africa, Asia and Latin America, this is very misleading.
Minorities have had much much much less opportunity to build wealth and earn wealth. So top schools are still selecting whites much more than non whites, even if they’re using SATs not race as the basis.
@Daniel Ropierre ok racist
Actually, There are two groups in America who are much more over represented in top schools, and are higher achievers compared to Whites. These Achievement gaps start in highschools... So that makes two achievement gaps in US/UK/AU/Canada.
One of those top preforming races are asians.
“treat people as individuals” is like saying dont let your brain take mental shortcuts. Only problem is that the human brain has evolved to quickly decipher its surroundings by pattern recognition.
This topic is truly forbidden knowledge.
I agree that our brains will naturally use pattern recognition and schema and will take automatic shortcuts that influence our thinking. This is necessary for categorizing objects and simplifying the world and it's why I don't think trying to eliminate implicit biases is a reasonable approach. We will all have a tendency to think in patterns, particularly for groups we don't have much contact or experience with. I think we should recognize that everyone will have this tendency towards bias (because of how the brain works) and so we should focus on making sure we don't act on our biases or use them to justify discriminatory practices. Consciously focusing on people as individuals rather than group members is one way to try to do that. It's not a perfect solution, but I think it's better than trying to modify your unconscious associations.
Now we kind of know why these differences are occurring, it's just that most people are physically afraid to talk about it.
You do ? I thought the cause(s) of variation was unknown. Please explain
@@obione6757
You didn’t get the memo? Is there any country, any place on the planet where some community is succeeding or does it fail everywhere?
@@obione6757
Try The Blueprint by Plomin and you should be able to comprehend it
@@obione6757
And most everyone, including you, knows but some can’t admit it.
4:50 "... there are many unknowns, and, in particular, that the causes of these differences between groups are not yet known." We do not "kind of know why these differences are occurring". We don't know. Everything these studies say is that there is a difference, and this difference can be the result of many factors (for example, systemic racism that makes education harder for the general black population to have). Yes, there seems to be evidence that IQ is genetically heritable. But not 100%. At most, a part of it will be genetic and another part will be environmental. And, since we don't have a controlled environment to test exactly the differences that the genes cause, we on't actually know how much they impact the overall distribution. And it seems to me that you did not watch the video, or at least not with an unbiased mind. Instead, you watched it trying to help your confirmation bias.
IQ is a very strong barometer for determining life outcome.
And yet, the poor, who largely have very low IQ's, blame capitalism and "oppression" for their predicament.
Laziness. And pleasure seeking such as drugs alcohol and cigarettes.
Trump, low IQ. He lost the election and then laid the blame to 'voter fraud'. He is a loser, very dumb.
That's not true that's just environmental there's a difference .Many poor AA was able to leave poor communities by way of work and education .The same can be said for poor whites and Latin people . Lets not forget that European's was Black at one point in history .
@Always Awake Never Woke This is often touted as such. The same for Nigerians going to America. Say for argument’s sake it is true, what exactly are they graduating in? Is it Physics, Chemistry, Maths or Engineering or it is African studies, Humanities and Social Sciences. I suspect it’s the latter, in which case your point means diddly squat as these aren’t hard subjects to major in.
@@UsyksmashedFurytopieces you've been taught to think STEM is harder. You've been taught to put subjects of study in a hierarchy of difficulty and utility. Have you had both STEM and humanities/social science experience?
People with low IQs make and maintain those environments. It might be environmental but also people with low IQs are more predisposed to get influenced by negative things in order to fit in.
8:00 lol, no, it's always linked to genes. Italians don't score the same. Northern Italians score about 102, Southern Italians score below 90 on the average. It's not social economic differences at the root. It's obviously dna differences, hereditary differences result in different outcomes, different environments.
The environment is worse in southern Italy your an idiot
@@thevictor5116 Why is it worse though? Because the people there happen to have different genes than the ones from Northern Italy they have different ancient ancestors. Research the dna results.
@@thevictor5116 "You're" means: "you are", chucklehead.
@@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr in an article that I read it was stated that northern Italy has more tourism than the south. Also southern Italians cluster with Greek populations.
@@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr in an article that I read it was stated that northern Italy has more tourism than the south. Also southern Italians cluster with Greek populations.
Solid breakdown. Tough topic. If you sensitive do not read up on this topic. You will not like findings.
It is damaging to the fragile minded race realists.
But we can know the race of an individual by looking at his genetic admixture. Many early anthropologists classified Ethiopians with the Caucasian race by looking at the shape of their skulls. And indeed, a century later genetics proved that Ethiopians share a common ancestry with Caucasians (Europeans, peoples of the Caucasus, Arabs, Persians, etc.). So Ethiopians are not true Africans.
I don't think the argument that race is socially constructed should be taken to its extreme and I agree there are certainly genetic markers of different races that can be traced and analyzed, but I think the broader point that simple classification boxes like White, Black, Asian, Latino, etc. may be influenced by societal views (not genetic analysis) is worth some consideration. Thanks for commenting!
@The Truth about Africa hurts they don't determine someone's race because there Art Uniform features across races. Certain characteristics come up across different groups of people across the world. What they determine is someone's personal ancestry and where they may be from and then we prescribe that as a race but forensicss itself just like genetics doesn't have a box labeled black white or Asian.
abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=98485&page=1
slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/01/can-you-tell-a-person-s-race-from-his-or-her-skull.html
@The Truth about Africa hurts .....🤣🤣🤣🤣. Ok Mister Humiliation. I wouldn't go around boasting about that that when you say such blatantly biased and uneducated remarks. Not to mention your clear disposition towards your own beliefs that you continue to perpetuate by confirmation bias.
Okay... Literally none of that means anything to me. Mainly because I work in genetics specializing in African American studies, African studies and anthropology. Also just as you probably won't believe me, nothing of what you say makes me believe you. You claiming that it means nothing because you could be completely be making that up. And I would lean more towards that because of end-all-be-all you use your degrees as because you don't actually form an argument. Especially the "SJW support group" comment you felt compelled to throw in when you know nothing about me , and so blatantly shows your actual intentions that it makes me not only disregard whatever you have to say but I doubt it in general as if you're just another person creating a false passage to troll . Because someone who is actually educated in these fields that they claimed would be able to make a full response and breaking down the arguments instead of trying to position themselves as a person of authority and somehow declare that that means that they're correct without even knowing what the other person does. You don't actually provide any sources to support your beliefs, your source is essentially "trust me". You completely played yourself. Its damn near pathetic, if it isn't already.
And the mere fact you had all of your credentials is highly suspect. That's your first response instead of actually reading the information provided which is actually sourced and presenting argumentation on why you disagree. But that's the thing you don't have an argument because I venture to say that you're lying. Like your response is so comical it's difficult for me to break down just how hilarious it is. You say I have milia it myself but you familiar with it yourself by acting as if some letters behind your name actually mean anything when I know nothing about what you've actually done in the field, what you contributed, or if you agree with the scientific consensus of the field in general which you've shown that you don't.
Moroever, anyone that works in the field would not only know that the information I provided was about nuanced debate and nuances in the field of forensics. But for someone that knows so much then you would understand that the Anthropological Association in 1995 said race is not genetic so there goes the foundation for any argument you have. And continual genetic research and consensus continues to confirm this. An "sjw source"... It's literally ABC News and Slate. All your response shows thinking that you're going to have me late me, is that you're so blinded by your political bias and implicit racism that you don't even understand how uninformed you come across in a field of study you say you know so well. Please educate yourself because about the things you claim to know about because you look ignorant. In fact you didn't even argue anything you just wanted to act because you have these degrees, allegedly, you somehow no more even though you have no idea what I do. Just because you study something doesn't mean you know what you're actually talking about and you've made that apparent. Because what I stated was the most basic information that any forensic scientist, Anthropologist or geneticist would be able to tell you. The only reason you don't want to accept it is because of your willful ignorance.
@The Truth about Africa hurts
Moreover if your degrees are true, they have nothing to do with anthropology or anthropologic genetics. So all of these degrees you try to use to prop yourself up as a position of authority on the issue, without actually arguing the substance of of the issue itself but just trying to rely upon your alleged degrees which means nothing in the actual field in work, as any scientist would tell you that unless you contribute something you're a failure in your field, but have nothing to do with the topic at hand. They're slightly unrelated. Physiology is not genetic research. Forensics science is under criminal study not under genetic research. The closest you can get is about human genetics but you don't clarify to what discipline or field you work in. You can work in human genetics as it relates to food or medicine. Moreover when did you learn Because unless you're constantly updating yourself on new information what you learned 20-30 even 10 years ago could be completely incorrect and new information would have come to change what you previously learned. As they used to teach Mongoloid negroid and caucasoid in school's back in the 70's and 80's, they stopped in the late 80s early 90s because they realized that was wrong as more genetic research was published. So you have epitomized the example of someone who thinks just having been to school makes them an expert. The ideal image of an ignorant smart person. Someone who thinks they're smart but is actually stupid. Someone who thinks what they say is smart because they have a dumb image of what smart people are actually like. Not to mention the fact that you're clearly biased leaning towards racism because your name says it all. "The truth about Africa hurts" is so blatantly racist to where if you actually studied human genetics you would know that Africa is the most genetically diverse place in the world that everyone stems from . It's the Cradle of Mankind and has a oldest civilizations. But you're on a video about race and IQ, which already shows a negative predisposition towards racism, so that alone completely invalidates anything you have to say because it comes from a racist bias. Just because you studied all this stuff doesn't mean that what you have to say is correct or even matters. That's actually how scientists lose accolades and become discredited. It happened time and time again. In fact Nobel Peace prizes have called to be stripped for some and numerous scientists accolades taken away. Thats what hat makes me think that you've made everything up its your persona to act as if you know what you're talking about when in reality you don't and if you really did study this stuff than you would be so far away from how you think but that's why I'm pretty certain you're lying, but on the off-chance that I'm not right and you aren't lying will that's really sad and I pity you. Please actually read and educate yourself.
@The Truth about Africa hurts Your racist bias and stupidity is peaking my guy...
The genetic diversity in Africa is greater than in any other region in the world
www.geneticsandsociety.org/article/study-africans-more-genetically-diverse-rest-world
www.nbcnews.com/id/30502963/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/africans-have-worlds-greatest-genetic-variation/
www.bionews.org.uk/page_91054
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953791/
blogs.bcm.edu/2018/07/19/genetic-diversity-in-africa-is-greater-than-in-any-other-region-in-the-world/
THE GAP IS GETTIN SMALLER BECAUSE THEY MADE IT EASIER
AND SELLING A WHOLE BUNCH OF CRAP THAT ISNT USEFULL IN THE WORKFORCE
also mixture
Test comment #10. Some races have higher IQs.
The one point of disagreement I have with this video is that between whites, blacks, and asians, the boundaries between the races are very clear. The average self declared white American is like 98% European ethnically
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Thanks for a non hysterical summary
I'm going to have to disagree. The environments between Blacks and whites is not that different anymore. Even as you move up the socioeconomic ladder, there are some differences between wealthy Blacks and wealthy whites. Yes, subculture is important. But an individual with a sharp mind can elevate from an unsavory culture into something better. The only real environmental difference would be in how the two demographics are treated by the rest of society. But no real difference socioeconomically anymore.
This indicates that their are still Biological and physiological factors contributing to cognitive differences between races.
"Evironments between blacks and whites is not that different anymore" - hence why the gap between iq scores in these two races is shrinking rapidly as stated in the video. This suggests that it's actually not biological factors that have caused the difference since human biology does not change that rapidly.
@@stuffynosepatrol But what about East Asians who didn't start with many resources and don't have all these social programs, their IQs are not too bad. Why have the whites and blacks not overcome the East Asians on average.
@@kynchan3332Asian immigrants are statistically more financially privileged than other demographics. Not to mention the environments they moved from, where education and little discrimination were present, race riots in Asian American history aren't as iconically devastating as they were for other races if they happened at all.
In short, Asians, including Indians, Arabs, etc, have experienced significantly less discrimination and generally have more economic resources.
Replying to @forho2 what evidence do you have that with the signing of a piece of paper ALL prejudice and racism in a country quite literally built on it simply faded away? That centuries of red-lining, social and economic discrimination are not a factor in today's current climate? Your obtuse claim of equality falls apart once consideration is taken into history.
@@NulledSeries Asian immigrants on average more financially privileged than US white and black natives? The Chinese immigrants had to learn English and had few academic qualifications if at all, so had the worst jobs that illiterates would do. Catering, clothes washing, cleaning as examples. Such professions and worse don't usually command much in the way of wages in their native lands.
If discrimination accounts for nearly all the ills with Blacks how about the discrimination faced by Whites? Did the Chinese suffer less discrimination than Whites?
You make it sounds like the Chinese and other Asians are the most privileged and least discriminated against compared to Whites and Blacks.
Real life is the biggest indicator for truth. I live outside of a major city, and you can see the disparity whenever you go downtown. I took the metro to a baseball game, all you see at the station are my people (blacks) either panhandling, playing music/dancing, or standing around smoking. On the commute it's all uppity whites internally fearful but having to subconsciously pretend it's due to the poverty or slavery. On the train we'll be the loudest and most disruptive, but whites have to keep quiet because they fear being called racist. We arrive at the stadium (in the most gentrified area) and its all blacks bargaining waters, hats, tickets, and whites give them money either out of guilt or shame. In the stadium its whites in the press boxes and office rooms while blacks do the most simple jobs like punch your ticket or pass out beers. Its just fascinating to me how unnatural the interactions are. More so how much we go thru life lying to ourselves about reality and why things are the way they are. I feel 2nd hand embarrassment when I'm in the city because they look at me and instantly play the white guilt complex or either expect me to act like the rest. Its like we've been fed lies about reality to shield our emotions, and if you don't believe the lie then you're evil, heartless, etc. I think the phrase is moralistic fallacy, but public opinion is definitely the most powerful thing in a democratic, heterogeneous society.
@Racialist Slayer The video is the evidence dumbass lol
Right you are, James. There is not a single intelligent person on the planet Earth that is going to dispute what you say here! Good job! 👍👍
@Racialist Slayer I, along with all others, shoot down your idiotic claims with every post that we make. And instead of doing the intelligent thing and quietly bowing out and going away you keep coming back to further prove us right about you and make an even a bigger fool of yourself. Hey, as long as you do not mind me and many others laughing at you then I'm OK with it too!
@Racialist Slayer How _hilariously_ funny it is that you keep calling facts as lies but for some reason when present 100% undeniable proof you suddenly quiet. Is there any way possible you can _stay_ quiet and not keep proving what a fool you are? I am guessing no.
@@jameseldridge3445 ruclips.net/video/nHsjiu0k3xE/видео.html
A good video to add to your collection
Overall, this is good intro to a very controversial topic. I should note, however, that you haven’t addressed the real problem with “The Bell Curve.”
The authors basically argue that since iq variation at the individual level is at least partly due to genetic inheritance, the between-group differences in average iq scores are likely to be at least partly genetic, too. They present this argument as the “common sense” or middle-ground perspective as opposed to the claim that the differences are entirely environmental or entirely genetic. This argument is not based on any direct evidence. It is simply an extrapolation from individual-level data. And as Lewontin argued and your video implied, it betrays a confusion about heritability: a trait can be largely heritable AND at the same time between-group differences can be entirely due to environmental factors. The Bell Curve dismisses this possibility as an extreme position without any convincing evidence and then proceeds to make a series of policy recommendations that would affect the lives of millions of people, policies that relate to child-bearing, public assistance, etc.
This is called the Scarr-Rowe effect where heritability is lower among the lower socioeconomic status meaning that environment has a bigger potential role in determining IQ but in more recent research we found that it's failed replicability alot in the USA and for twin studies in african-american and hispanic households we found heritability estimates are similar to white twin-studies meaning that the between-group gaps are certainly genetic for the most part.
@Racialist Slayer Look up "Racial and ethnic differences in the heritability of intelligence: A systematic review and metaanalysis"
@Racialist Slayer It's on sciencedirect, which is peer reviewed. "Antisemite" isnt an argument, dont fill ur comments with garbage filler unless it's a refutation with evidence. I'll be waiting for you to debunk it.
@@hihello8771You just got to love science. The fact that it is ever changing and that no study can confirm it all. If only social science was more considered.
IQ is just like height or athletic ability, there is significant variation between people.
No kidding! And the *average* black African has an IQ of _maybe_ 70. Think about that. Yet there are clowns out there that want to believe that we are all the same? I find that incredible.
@Racialist Slayer What kind of idiot does it even take to think that speaking truth and stating facts is "coping and seething" anyway? Always making a fool of yourself. You have a gift! 😁
Just because people in the same society and race have different IQs doesn't mean there is no genetic factor. If anyone reads this and disagrees let me know.
@Racialist Slayer I believe so. shoot me an email and I'll copy paste the URLs
@@teru797This RS boy loves to live in denial.
@Racialist Slayer Alright. If you can just look up "race-and-iq-the-case-for-genes" and if you find that article it has a lot of links/sources. Lemme know if you don't find it and feel free to address any opinions if you do.
@Racialist Slayer The links are embedded in the article. The words highlighted in red. I have doubts you clicked on the article if you didn't see or notice that. Assuming you clicked on the right webpage.
It would be easier to just email you the URLs. RUclips doesn't allow URLs in the comment section.
If you did read at least the article without (apparently) having clicked on the links then please explain what exactly you suspect is incorrect. That at least should be easy.
@Racialist Slayer Hmm so to be clear, you do see the links that talk about the genetic heritability of IQ correct? And the environment vs genetic correlations with intelligence. And statistics on racial gaps in IQ. Etc. Etc.
Just nothing about it (it being IQ differences among races) being the result of ones racial biology? Is that what you specifically mean?
Why is this guy not talking about facts?
Look at country iq's and look at their economic and technical success.
bruh i can tell you expected som far right bullshit
Yeah it’s horrible viewing. But needs to be acknowledged
@@oliverhopkins8074 to be acknowledged? nah
@@princeishere1693 but I mean its irrefutable once tou know what iq means
Dumb argument. Different civilizations have led the world at different times. IQ isn't ALL genetic. If that were true countries wouldn't improve like some have greatly in the developing world the last 30 years.
Intelligence is largely fixed. It is most certainly inherited. And it is linked to a person's race.
There seems to be a racial difference in intelligence ability and one can sense that when the data is analysed.
It seems there is evidence that we are scoring less than those of other races.
We are really not sure why this is happening so we will have to appreciate the dynamics of the results over the course of the next five to ten years
The reason why it's happening is genetics. Next step is to work on gene modification research like CRISPR so we can remove those differences via direct genome interventions
@@Ljosi Not only are you utterly wrong but your "solution" to a fake problem is horrifying.
@@michaelparker5478 right, if I point out that 1+1 is 2 you will say it's 3
@@Ljosi because using an arbitrary number like IQ to identify supposed flaws in people and then GENETICALLY ENGINEERING those people in an attempt to make them "better" is to be taken as nonchalantly as 1+1=2 right?
@@michaelparker5478 the 1+1 example was for pointing out that I use logic while you use emotion. No matter how hard you want it to be 3 it will always be 2. In other words, genetics determine everything about you including your neural structure which determines your intelligence. This is non-debatable, it is a scientific fact, the information is easily accessible and verifiable. Denying it just prolongs the search for a proper solution and opens the doors for another holocaust if the wrong people get hold of political power in the near future, it's much better to openly discuss it now while we still have a somewhat stable hierarchy
It’s sad that you can’t present scientific evidence because of wokeness.
I believe a major problem is that we continue to use eurocentric concepts and models to analyze all people.
So you basically say, that we should make different IQ tests for different races so nobody get offended? That's goes against whole idea of IQ tests.
@@mrnippletwister7342 no i didn't say that at all. All im saying is that, ideally, whatever tests we use should not be based out of a single region/culture. can we agree on that?
@@andrerichards7808 why? They just measure your cognitive hability. That should work the same for everyone, just like a car works the same everywhere.
@@elodin857 imho, a car is not a good comparison. however the concept of "correct driving" might fit better because it differs depending on region and/or culture.
what is considered "correct driving" in one place may not be so in another place, and it would be bad to judge someone else's "driving" when the truth is that they simply come from a different car culture. The same general concept applies to IQ imo.
@@elodin857 Hi again, Id like to share this podcast with you, it kinda covers the stuff that we are talking about and i love to hear your opinion.
www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/g-miseducation-larry-p
Why is that EInstein's IQ is 70 points lower than Marilyn vos Savant , yet Savant has NEVER ACCOMPLISHED , whereas Einstsein HAS ?
His IQ took him high enough to be able to easily look down on, "accomplishments."
I showed this to my professor and got expelled
deserved
@@marxchagall Why?
@@cat-uq5hw this is white supremacist bullshit and all these stats are quite literally taken from nowhere and have been debunked
@@marxchagall Why is being superior in your country looked down upon? Haven't you seen what Africans are like in Africa to whites?
@@cat-uq5hw did you ignore the whole point about the statistics being completely made up to spout some ethnofascist shit or what
When you don't like the book, call for it to be burned. We've come full circle.
It's clear you didn't comprehend anything and the simplest expression of an idea is beyond your capacity to understand 0:21, 12:25 and 13:01, and you belong to the higher iq group it so sad when all you have going for you is the color of your skin. 😅😅😅😅
A very informative and neutral video on the topic! I could tell that you have no underlying agenda whatsoever.
Although Lewontin is not a good source on this topic. His seed analogy would only make sense if African Americans were living in absolutely abhorrent conditions compared to whites, which is simply not the case. Also it's pretty much directly contradicted by the fact that the second to lowest income whites score about the same on their SATs as the highest income blacks. Unless you're willing to do some mental gymnastics suggesting that poor whites provide a better environment for their kids than rich blacks, it completely blows his argument out of the water.
Furthermore, his "more variation within than between" argument in relation to genes is based on a gross misunderstanding of genetics and nowadays famously called Lewontin's fallacy.
Interesting point but Is it possible that the poor African American environment is remarkably different from the typical poor White environment? Such as being urban poor versus rural poor? Or the manner in which people became poor? Whites people are also less likely to have been generational poor as opposed to Black people? At the highest black level it’s still remarkably different to show since if only 1 generation is wealthy then how do you determine if given the same amount of wealth through generations that they wouldn’t also score higher?
@@sambalaskas5082 I mean I don't want to flat out deny that that possibility exists, but that would first have to be demonstrated in some way. From the evidence I've seen thus far, it doesn't seem to be the case. Of course, I could be wrong but our standard assumption should be that the environments don't differ greatly beyond SES.
gustav gans we don’t have evidence because there are literally too many variables in the equation. Even though those are socioeconomic statuses though. New money is inherently different from old money. SES doesn’t just mean literally your wealth and that’s it. It is all the status that comes with that wealth. Rural poor and urban poor has long had massive differences even just from classroom size and it’s pretty well documented that education has an affect on IQ. For me, if $10 motivation can sway the IQ rest 20 points on average, I see that the quantity of variables are far to large to sit here and rule almost anything out.
gustav gans let me clarify, obviously I believe in the genetics role and the SES role. I just believe there are so many environmental factors that to limit ourselves on which ones matter I think takes away from the idea that environment contributes its fair share here. Furthermore limiting what can be largely the component to why we see disparities in groups and subgroups.
@@sambalaskas5082 I agree and I never denied environment plays a role. My original comment was merely pointing out the flaws In Lewontin's reasoning and questioning his credibility in general. It should be obvious to anyone looking at the issue in good faith that both genes and environment contribute significantly to the end results. Personally, I think genes probably play a larger role (based on things like subtest heritability), but outright dismissing the importance of environmental influences would be ignorant.
I think his hand drawn bell curves don’t show some differences at the extremes
My IQ is 138 Standard deviation 15 based. I'm a South Korean lol
@@rumble1925 but r u guys rich doctors?
If a culture selected for intelligence, meaning the most intelligent mated that would change everything
Now you know why the West is being watered down, on purpose.
It all depends on what we're talking about. If we're talking about individuals, it's true, an individual can find himself at any point of the Bell curve. But, if we're talking about groups & averages, over a century of studies show that even though environment PLAYS A ROLE in IQ, it's neither the main nor DETERMINING factor for such. For instance, many twins given for adoption were separated at birth and placed with a poor and a rich family respectively and by the time they reached 18 or 21 they exhibited the SAME IQ and behavioral patterns. So these studies empirically and conclusively prove that race (genes) DOES determine IQ, despite the fluctuations we may observe due to environment. This conclusive FACT is an assertion you were not willing to make but, I understand, you don't want to be ostracized and lose your career over this. We both know the radicalized, intolerant, fascist Left and the Witch Hunt they conduct would be UNFORGIVING and would come down on you like a ton of bricks! So I don't blame you, dear. Plus you did shed some light on the subject for those who never heard of it. Well done!
I agree that one needs to be cautious to avoid witch hunts arising from misinterpretations from the far-left but caution is also necessary to avoid misinterpretations of support for racism from the far-right.
That said, the main reason it's an assertion I'm not willing to make is that the issue is more complex than you are suggesting because you are conflating the role of genes with the role of "race". While I agree that genes have a very strong influence on IQ (stronger than environment by adulthood), the relationship between this influence and one's race is not clear.
While race is obviously also genetic, racial categories like "black", "white", etc. are not clear genetic categories. Even if these categories were clearly defined in terms of genes, the fact that individuals of any race can fall anywhere on the IQ distribution means there is not a 1:1 correspondence between the genes related to one's IQ and the genes related to one's race.
While it may be true that political considerations discourage research or reduce discussion of this topic, it is also true that our understanding of the genetics of IQ is not developed enough for us to make such assertions.
PsychExamReview I appreciate your reply. It's true that there isn't a 1:1 correlation between race and genes but it's also true that this lack of perfect, infallible correlation does not preclude the fact that, when conducting studies based on the premise of race as the paramount, decisive factor for IQ, the results indisputably indicate that ON AVERAGE, races have different IQ's, whether we know and understand the genetic factor or not.
Thus, 2 things are true: 1) The existence of individual variations doesn't invalidate the reality of IQ differences by race as a group and on average. To think that one preclude the other is, indeed, a FALSE DICHOTOMY. It goes without saying that all genetic pools are subject to modifications, chiefly due to interbreeding among races; 2) If it's true that IQ is attributed to genes & heritable and if it's also true that genes are an integral component in race, our failure to fully understand the exact correlation between genes and race does not invalidate the studies' conclusion that there's not only a correlation but also a CAUSATION between IQ and race. Empirical research and the scientific method don't lie. It is what it is, the proof is irrefutable, it is REAL and to acknowledge reality is not racism, it's science.
This is my humble opinion as a lay person. I'm honored that a bright professional as yourself has replied to my comment. Thank you so much!
PsychExamReview let me get this straight. You have to avoid telling the truth if the left labels it racist and the right find it useful. So science doesn’t value truth when the truth contradicts the narrative on the left. And you wonder why people don’t trust science.
You sir, are a coward.
You value your own comfort above the truth. Not only that, you feel it’s okay to spread this politically corrected view to your students. For what? To take ammunition away from the far right? To avoid being labeled a racist by the left? That’s the world you want to live in? If you misrepresent the science to push a political agenda, or you’re too scared to accurately communicate the data, you’re not a good teacher. You’re a liar and a coward and your students are the victims.
@@amoscraig2227 I agree with you because you've spoken the TRUTH but I simply understand this teacher's cowardice in the sense that it's easier said than done to take a public stand on the IQ issue SINCE he could lose EVERYTHING! Even his family! I don't know how many of us would be courageous enough to do the right thing in his place, that's all I'm saying. We're only human. But yes, you've spoken the truth my friend, there's no denying that.
Maria Palumbo what’s that quote? All it takes for tyranny to win is for good people stay silent? I understand the “silent” part and I wouldn’t expect most people to have the courage to speak up, including myself. But this professor teaches the material, he’s not being silent, he’s actively promoting lies to young minds in order to avoid punishment by the tyrannical power of the extreme left. He’s complicit.
Let me see if i can assist all these higher iq people because the simplest expression of an idea seems to be beyond there capacity to understand 0:21, 12:25 and 13:01 ok i hope you found this helpfull.😅😅😅😅
Only someone very dumb or silly will try to claim that on average blacks are as intelligent as Whites and Asians are.
@beverlyhurd8556 Only someone like you lacking understanding or making unfounded claims would suggest, on average, that there are intellectual differences among blacks, whites and asians.
@@WOW23455 Only someone insanely ignorant would claim that mentally there are no differences in the races. For example: _All_ black countries are third world nations while _no_ White countries are. Care to explain why that is if there are no mental differences? No? I did not think so.
Unfounded clams my ass. Grow a brain why don't you?
@@beverlyhurd8556 And whites even came along and ran some of those countries for long periods, setting up basic successful patterns, then as soon as "blacks" got their "freedom," everything, re-collapsed.
Stating that group statistics say nothing about an individual is not scientifically accurate. That is exactly how all decisions are taken. For example, knowing that most microwaves heat food says something about an untested microwave oven.
Foolish - stick to IQ - if you can
Did you miss the part about aptitude overlap and intermixed populations? There's no such thing as a 2/5ths microwave.
societies as a whole are more interesting. Only the individual feels they are so interesting, they are not. Trends are interesting.
@@shin-ishikiri-no regression toward the mean isnt interesting. So who would care about "overlap." That is predictable.
And what do twin-studies say about the between group differences?
The average Sub Saharan African would probably score higher average intelligence Quotients then the average Melanesian
@@giftya1893 Ignore him. He's probably working in Subway with his "high IQ" lol.
Okwu ID true
It's simple it's like everyone can't be good at sports why is it a bad thing if you're smarter than other people why
Nice and balanced summary of the situation.
Have you heard about Garett Jones and his book "The Culture Transplant: How Migrants Make the Economies They Move To a Lot Like the Ones They Left"? I have very complicated feelings about this book
I'm not familiar with it, will look into it
That was awesome. Cleared up a lot of things for me. Thanks for posting.
Great, glad to hear that!
Even if it's true if some "races" have varying levels of intelligence, it's important to treat everyone equally. What does it say about you if you treat fellow men as inferior beings? Should we enslave people who are born with mental disabilities?
Said it yourself. Societical structure plays and has played a very important role with IQ scores. Understanding how much the gap has closed in the past 20 years says a whole lot.
Flynn effect isnt on G. The gaps havent closed at all in reality.
@@hihello8771 Statistics says it has. Unless you're one of those...
@@Eckerd84 what? What statistics? Do you even know what youre talking about? Flynn effect isnt on G, where the gaps are largest, you cant dispute this.
@@hihello8771 being that its ascribed to improvements in education. Groups previously excluded from full access to education and professional careers will close the gap. Aka Black Folk.
@@Eckerd84 bruh do you know even know what youre talking about at this point. Flynn effect gains arent on G, which is where the gaps are largest... education, income etc, has proven to not even close gaps *within* groups and of course by nature, between groups. Even james flynn, the literal discoverer of the flynn effect, knew that the gap was largely genetic... The gap is *never* going to close. You realize the gaps between europeans and asians dont even close when they are adopted into the same households? The evidence for alll this amounts progressively.
Why bother taking data and looking for patterns, if you're just going to ignore it when making judgements?
You nailed it sir. I wish you would have dug a bit deeper, but I’m assuming that was not the purpose of this video. The individual, the individual.
Like a genetic disease is studied by isolating a gene and documenting which gene causes that genetic disorder, which gene do you say causes IQ differences?
It's not just one gene. IQ is highly polygenic. It will be thousands of genes.
And now let's finally talk about the possible reasons why 13 do 50
The seed explanation is faulty, in a sense, by putting seeds on poor soil, you're suppressing the full potential of the tall plants, to make the short plants be more competetive. This is what was done with bussing of kids from black neighbourhoods to white schools. It loweved the standard for the smarter kids, so the difference between the smart and not smart kids was less defined, therefore making the not so smart kids more competetive. It essentailly made everyone dumb, leading to a massive decline of US school system among the industrialized nations. This has been a disaster for America.
Your comment demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of heritability, and an inability to understand that correlation does not equal causation.
You cleared that up. You got a new subscriber.