The Battle For 'Octopussy' | A Fan Debate

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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
  • A fan debate... With a twist! One of our opinions REALLY shifted on the film in this video...
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  • @guileniam
    @guileniam 3 года назад +25

    IM INDIAN** we love this movie. This was one of the First times I remember they got the Indians done respectfully. Like normal people.
    Even had Vijay!

  • @ultralightpablo
    @ultralightpablo 2 года назад +61

    The absolute best Q-Bond interaction for me is in For Your Eyes Only. “Forgive me Father for I have sinned” “That’s putting it mildly 007!”

    • @andrewwebster2598
      @andrewwebster2598 Год назад +4

      Perhaps. Maybe slightly behind it is "I never joke about my work, 007."

  • @adotgif
    @adotgif 3 года назад +97

    Stay a huge Star Wars fan, David. Huge fans of both Star Wars & James Bond are a rare, but quality breed!

  • @thewickerman4083
    @thewickerman4083 3 года назад +60

    Octopussy is the most amount of fun I can have watching a Bond film. I love it.

    • @lloydkline1518
      @lloydkline1518 2 года назад +2

      It a very underrated James bond movies 🎬 movie: ❤ backgammon scene

    • @deathmetalpokemon
      @deathmetalpokemon 2 года назад +3

      Absolutely. This and The Living Daylights are so rewatchable and enjoyable

    • @lloydkline1518
      @lloydkline1518 2 года назад +2

      @@deathmetalpokemon the living daylights James bond movie 🎬;; they had to rebuild no original money penny;; M " they had Priscilla Barnes from three company she was different

    • @randallrutherford1384
      @randallrutherford1384 2 года назад +4

      I love all of the "so called" worst Bond movies..... Including Octopussy, a view to a Kill, license to Kill, never say never again, diamonds are forever, Quantum of Solace, Spectre , and even Die Another Day!!!

  • @drgoremd
    @drgoremd 3 года назад +10

    Greatest Bond moment in the entire franchise occurs when Bond rolls the backgammon dice and without looking down says to Kamal Khan "Double sixes".

    • @PortobelloRd
      @PortobelloRd 3 года назад

      and when he says Bond James Bond i think is his best of all 7 movies...

    • @trueflip25
      @trueflip25 7 месяцев назад

      "It's all in the wrist." 😅

  • @HoneyPiss
    @HoneyPiss 3 года назад +17

    All I wanted was a sweet distraction for an hour or two...
    Had no intention to do... a comment.
    But then you went and said "All Time High" is a bad song!
    "All Time High" is a banger!

    • @sashaking1111
      @sashaking1111 3 года назад +3

      Yeah!!! Couldn’t agree more! That’s the only part of the debate that I didn’t like, apart from them not mentioning Gobinda. All Time High is a criminally underrated song. It’s so beautiful and powerful

    • @joshwhite3339
      @joshwhite3339 2 месяца назад

      @@sashaking1111 Yes scrolled to find this! All Time High is a Top 5 Bond Theme IMO and I really don't understand why they bagged on it. It sets the tone for the film "a sweet distraction for an hour or two" and evokes the unexpected romance between Moore and Adams

  • @JaegerZ3
    @JaegerZ3 2 года назад +5

    Roger's portrait of 007, who always makes a joke in tough situations, could carry a Tarzan yell, just not this one. Because throughout the scene he is on distress, no room for jokes, plus this yell is a playback of the most known one, Johnny Weissmuller's

  • @spaceodds1985
    @spaceodds1985 3 года назад +38

    Totally agree about TND and Octopussy being the pulpy entertainment that was designed to cheer us Bond fans up.

    • @calvindyson
      @calvindyson  3 года назад +14

      Neither ever fail to put a smile on my face!

    • @xAlexHDx1
      @xAlexHDx1 3 года назад +11

      @@calvindyson I agree with you that TND and Octopussy are just great films to watch on a Sunday, I think Octopussy is the perfect Sunday Bond film.

    • @spaceodds1985
      @spaceodds1985 3 года назад +11

      @@xAlexHDx1 IMO, TND is the last traditional Bond film to date.

    • @dereklewis4321
      @dereklewis4321 3 года назад +7

      @@spaceodds1985 When I tell people what the Bond formula is I just say watch TND :p

    • @xAlexHDx1
      @xAlexHDx1 3 года назад +4

      @@spaceodds1985 I have to agree with that statement, never thought about that until you bought it up.

  • @Gary85Paul
    @Gary85Paul 3 года назад +11

    Controversial opinion... the clown costumes don't offend me.
    The moments with both 00s in clown costumes are handled so well and so seriously, they are just as tense as if they were not dressed as such.

    • @magnusprime962
      @magnusprime962 3 года назад +4

      Personally I think the clown costumes actually make it more tense. They force Bond to fight even harder to be taken seriously.

    • @bonghunezhou5051
      @bonghunezhou5051 3 года назад +3

      Me neither; there is ZERO defence for that 'Tarzan Yell' however 😒

    • @nihits
      @nihits 3 года назад

      @@bonghunezhou5051 more than tarzan yell its the "sit" that no one understood

    • @bonghunezhou5051
      @bonghunezhou5051 3 года назад

      @@nihits Namely, the WAY Bond says, "si-i-i-t!"

    • @Gary85Paul
      @Gary85Paul 3 года назад

      @@bonghunezhou5051 absolutely. It's a shame as Octopussy was so close to being top drawer Bond. If only it had shrugged off the silliness in favour of subtler gags like the food one.

  • @jamesatkinsonja
    @jamesatkinsonja 3 года назад +34

    I remember Lois Maxwell says that she wanted Moneypenny to be promoted to M so she could keep playing the role. If they had done here, it might have been interesting to see her play off Roger Moore's Bond. I can see why it was rejected for 'Living Daylights' as it wouldn't be the same with a new Bond.

    • @k.b.7718
      @k.b.7718 3 года назад +6

      I don't think it would have worked considering their previous relationship. Also it wouldn't have made any sense imo.

    • @randallrutherford1384
      @randallrutherford1384 2 года назад +1

      Interesting

  • @edoris9021
    @edoris9021 3 года назад +8

    Most realistic " one man saves the world" plot in all bond movies

  • @nihits
    @nihits 3 года назад +6

    steven berkoffs crazy "timid" performance is why I love this movie so much :)

  • @MrTBoneSF
    @MrTBoneSF 3 года назад +11

    As a kid, this was the first Bond movie where I saw pre-release hype. It was featured on the Nickelodeon show Lights! Camera! Action! hosted by Leonard Nimoy. In retrospect, that must have upset some parents. "What's this you're watching?" "Something called Octopussy." "What?!!". The other thing that is clear now, this was meant to be Moore's sendoff. From the song proclaiming "We're an all-time high" to giving Moore an age-appropriate female in the form of returning Maude Adams, to the classic Cold War villain, to Q finally getting to be involved in the action, it's all fan service (and not in a bad way). A perfect swan song for Moore (and Maxwell and Q) and then they blew it by making A View to a Kill.

    • @jenniferschillig3768
      @jenniferschillig3768 3 года назад +1

      That's how I first was introduced to this movie, and to Bond...I loved that show on Nickelodeon! I'd remembered Roger Moore from that Muppet Show episode a few years back, and once I became interested in Octopussy, developed a crush on him (never mind that I was eleven and he was in his fifties--he was still quite handsome and charming).

  • @spaceodds1985
    @spaceodds1985 3 года назад +20

    Surprised no one ever really caught on the fact that Octopussy’s plot is very similar to The Fourth Protocol, which was published a year after Octopussy’s release and four years before the eventual film adaptation.

    • @calvindyson
      @calvindyson  3 года назад +13

      I'm very keen to rewatch The Fourth Protocol sometime soon. I must have been 15 to 18 years since I saw it!

    • @kallreader7376
      @kallreader7376 3 года назад +8

      Fourth Protocol had a nice cold blooded performance by Pierce Brosnan

    • @spaceodds1985
      @spaceodds1985 3 года назад +2

      @@kallreader7376 Very true. Shame he didn’t instil a smidgen of his performance in the film to his Bond interpretation

    • @spaceodds1985
      @spaceodds1985 3 года назад +4

      @@jamesatkinsonja An explosion to cause a political event… yes it is different but it has echoes

    • @spaceodds1985
      @spaceodds1985 3 года назад +5

      @@calvindyson Strongly recommend it. Just for Brosnan’s performance alone.

  • @TimmyTantrum
    @TimmyTantrum 3 года назад +24

    I had the same exact experience as David when I most recently watched Octopussy. I was taken aback by how much I enjoyed it, and it now sits comfortably in 3rd on my list of favorite Moore Bond films, behind FYEO and TSWLM. Excellent discussion as always.

    • @randallrutherford1384
      @randallrutherford1384 2 года назад

      Love these guys and the nice folks who comment like this. Great talking about James Bond with some nice folks!

    • @maratonlegendelenemirei3352
      @maratonlegendelenemirei3352 2 года назад

      Exactly! All you Daniel Craig fanboys had your heads turned by the media about him being the best when in fact he is largely rubbish and forgettable.

  • @Stringwar
    @Stringwar 3 года назад +12

    I used to hate Octopussy but it grew on me so much that I really love watching it now. Moore is too old really for the role by now but he just carries this one off unlike A view to a kill. Great locations similar to Moonraker. The stakes are high with a nuclear bomb. There aren't many huge action set pieces but it's a really well paced story.

  • @dalebaker9109
    @dalebaker9109 3 года назад +17

    I love this film, for all the reasons you outlined Calvin. I have an enormous soft spot for this film. Enough said.

  • @JenniferMcMahonhawaii78
    @JenniferMcMahonhawaii78 3 года назад +6

    It's my favorite Bond movie.
    Plus, as a little girl in 1983, seeing these kickass woman with so much agency was amazing.

    • @JohnDoe-tm9wz
      @JohnDoe-tm9wz 3 года назад +1

      A beautiful woman who likes Octopussy...what a rare find you are!

  • @shannonbayley3684
    @shannonbayley3684 3 года назад +54

    Octopussy is definitely in my top 10. It's a great cold war thriller with dashes of humorous levity sprinkled in. Also a good adventure. Roger is in top form and has great chemistry with Maude Adams. It's right up there for me.

  • @Jolar70
    @Jolar70 3 года назад +8

    Loved this! And I'll probably comment again, because there's SO much to react to. But, I really appreciated how Calvin talked about Roger's performances in Moonraker and Octopussy being his best, irrespective of whether they were his best films. I also agree with him on those performances. I will also add that my favorite Connery performances are in Dr. No (which was kind of a pulp novel on screen!), and then Diamonds are Forever! They are complete opposite ends of the coin, yet both are perfect 007 performances, yet maybe not his best films.

  • @remy_3277
    @remy_3277 3 года назад +16

    Octopussy is one of my Moore favourites together with For Your Eyes Only. It's great to see Octopussy ranking higher on Davids list.

  • @pietrorossi9681
    @pietrorossi9681 3 года назад +14

    Thoroughly entertaining debate as always guys on Octopussy
    I'm a year older or younger than David, so we are in the same age group, though I'm British. I'm mentioning this due to two issues David raised. Here's my remembrance of 1983, though it differs but that could be because I'm on this side of the Pond.
    Battle of the Bonds. This was a big issue here. The press and magazines just went wild. Me and my friends were either Team Moore or Team Connery, though we watched both. Octopussy came out for the summer of 1983 and then Never Say Never Again for Christmas 1983. But it was hyped, and heavily debated by the press, my friends and me, TV magazine shows etc...
    The other thing is that David said that for him and his mates Moore is Bond, Connery was his dad's. For me and mates we saw Connery as the TV Bond, Moore as the cinema Bond. Minds blew when Live and Let Die with Moore was on TV. Let Die was at the time the highest rated TV showing of a Bond film for many a decade. I wonder if that mind blowing-ness was a factor?
    Octopussy is one of my favourite films, and definitely my favourite Moore Bond film.

    • @calvindyson
      @calvindyson  3 года назад +7

      Thanks very much for this recollection! Really appreciate the perspective and very interesting. Love the detail that Connery was considered the ‘TV’ Bond!

    • @pietrorossi9681
      @pietrorossi9681 3 года назад +3

      @@calvindyson I was 9 when Dr No was premiered on ITV in 1975, it was the rational way to explain the two. This meant that both were our era Bonds

    • @jethryk
      @jethryk 3 года назад +1

      Glad you said this, it's exactly the same for me. Same age range and Connery as the Bond on TV, Moore in the Cinema. First 2 Bonds I saw and they were around the same time were From Russia With Love on TV and The Spy Who Loved me in the cinema and they are still my favourite Bond films from those actors.

    • @pietrorossi9681
      @pietrorossi9681 3 года назад

      @@jethryk yeah, in many ways we were spoilt as we had two active Bonds in (what were for us) new films. Fabby time.

    • @SB992REBORN
      @SB992REBORN 2 года назад

      @@calvindyson Octopussy one of my faves because beautifulness!

  • @richardfuchs3690
    @richardfuchs3690 3 года назад +7

    This is one of my favourites, and is one of the best-directed films in the series. The opening (post-PTS) scene with 009 being chased by the twins is one of the best scenes in the series and would not be out of place in FRWL or GF. This is also one of the few films to generate legitimate suspense. Roger Moore also gives one his best Bond performances here. I do wish they'd used Kamal in a different film and made Octopussy the main villain.

  • @mattjames7386
    @mattjames7386 3 года назад +15

    These are probably my favourite videos from you both! 🙌👍🏻

    • @calvindyson
      @calvindyson  3 года назад +10

      Glad you like them! :D We have a lot of fun recording them!

    • @TheBondExperience
      @TheBondExperience 3 года назад +4

      @@calvindyson DITTO!

  • @ThaKoalaKing
    @ThaKoalaKing 3 года назад +7

    I'd love to hear your guys take on Die Another Day in this format, that would certainly be interesting. I know there isn't much to "debate" on that one, but the back and forth discussion on these movies is really entertaining.

  • @patwaters-actormoviereviewer
    @patwaters-actormoviereviewer 3 года назад +22

    Two things, 1. I’ve started a drinking game for how many times these debates open up with the Equinox theme from 007: Nightfire, and 2. Octopussy is my go-to, boring Saturday afternoon film.

    • @calvindyson
      @calvindyson  3 года назад +11

      I honeslty tried a different opening music cue this time but I just can't help coming back to Nightfire

    • @nicholastosoni707
      @nicholastosoni707 3 года назад +3

      Oh, come now; one can NEVER have enough Nightfire.

    • @patwaters-actormoviereviewer
      @patwaters-actormoviereviewer 3 года назад +1

      @@calvindyson if I were you, I would have used the Cradle music from GoldenEye.

  • @maxrockatansky2976
    @maxrockatansky2976 3 года назад +5

    So when you guys get around to The Man with the Golden gun debate will David be sporting a third nipple gadet for us?

  • @holosbachstudios9122
    @holosbachstudios9122 3 года назад +13

    You know david is a real bond fan becuse he decapitated roger moore and has his head as a trophy

  • @spaceodds1985
    @spaceodds1985 3 года назад +51

    It starts off as a humorous guide to India, and it almost becomes a Frederick Forsyth adaptation. I really like this film (my third favourite Moore Bond film) it is a breeze in pacing, and Moore truly demonstrates that he is the comedic Bond, I mean the man’s interpretation of Bond is suspension of disbelief and it was pretty too late in the day to change his interpretation of the character. I mean a bomb is about to go off, WW3 is on the verge… and the man is putting on clown makeup… probably has a wet wipe on and of he makes a mistake.
    Louis Jourdan was born to play a Bond villian, the way his dialogue just rolls down his tongue is sensational. Steven Berkoff as Orlov is just bats**t crazy, man probably drinks his coffee with a few grams of a white powdered substance, and Berkoff hams it up and cashes his paycheque to fund his avant garde production of nude Coriolanus on Ice (according to Smershpod)

  • @ben8447
    @ben8447 3 года назад +60

    Can U just say that Bond NEVER did the Tarzan yell. We are not meant to think he did. It was purely part of the soundtrack and it was meant to be thought of that way. If we are to accept that the Tarzan yell was real then we should also think that the car he jumped in The Man with the Golden Gun actually produced the slide whistle sound.

    • @TequilaToothpick
      @TequilaToothpick 2 года назад +4

      That's a bit of a stretch.

    • @ben8447
      @ben8447 2 года назад +1

      @@TequilaToothpick 29 people don't think so.

    • @ben8447
      @ben8447 2 года назад +1

      @@AH-ng7zt If Calvin had millions of followers then your theory would work!

    • @spinachgreens7179
      @spinachgreens7179 2 года назад +1

      They both come off as diegetic. Sound effects are always to be considered as part of the world, so, both the Tarzan yell and slide whistle, from a filmic perspective, happen in world.

    • @Calimbandil87
      @Calimbandil87 2 года назад +3

      Obviously the slide whistle was played by Sheriff J.W. Pepper.

  • @albertstock85
    @albertstock85 3 года назад +9

    I agree with Calvin here. Octopussy attempts to balance the more serious and hard edge from For Your Eyes Only with the campier and funnier elements of Moonraker, and the film managed to perfect a balance of the both.
    Even though For Your Eyes Only and The Spy Who Loved Me rank higher for me from the Roger outings, Octopussy is a very close third, without a doubt.

    • @mr.tramber
      @mr.tramber 3 года назад +2

      And LALD is at the same league with OP, they are equal. LALD is funny, but unnusual

    • @andrewwebster2598
      @andrewwebster2598 Год назад

      Agreed
      . I like the voodoo element, think it provides a strange energy and variable to the Bond series.

  • @SJHUE
    @SJHUE 3 года назад +3

    Glad to see this movie is gradually/finally getting the recognition it deserves. On the clown outfit issue - 009 wore the same outfit and it was of course to infiltrate a circus. Can`t think of a better disguise for a circus myself but anyway, suspend your disbelief it`s James Bond. I hope for/expect to be thoroughly entertained when I watch a Bond movie and `Octopussy` does this x 8(see what I did there? Sorry!) All these years later it is still my no.1 Bond film.

  • @bonghunezhou5051
    @bonghunezhou5051 3 года назад +4

    Not only was the M office scene borderline cruel towards Lois Maxwell, but in the end, the "assistant" (portrayed by Michaella Clavell) even failed to succeed her as "Moneypenny" when the inevitable changeover happened for TLD (1987). Seems a wasted opportunity since she had already been (sort of) introduced to the public, a la John Cleese with TWINE (1999).
    Despite the aforementioned, the re-signing of Roger Moore, and the "Tarzan yell" (for which there is absolutely no defence) I do rank this entry rather highly, given the Hitchcockian plotline, full of suspense and mystery, as well as its epic scale.

    • @jamesatkinsonja
      @jamesatkinsonja 3 года назад +1

      I guess Smallbone fell by the wayside when Roger signed up for another one. If he had retired, they'd have probably had her as the new secretary in the next film.

  • @jamiem8680
    @jamiem8680 3 года назад +3

    I see a new ranking video coming out of that Q discussion,,,all the movies ranked 1 to 25 based purely on Q’s moments in them !

  • @harryherman5371
    @harryherman5371 3 года назад +3

    Incredible! I have this ready on the projector with the Sunday roast tonight. I shall be sure to debrief with this later. Thanks Calvin!

  • @tomwood555
    @tomwood555 3 года назад +5

    I have to say one thing about this film which very few people give it credit for is how romantic it is with the locations and music giving major assists❤🤩🤩 but its never played for laughs or at the expense of the overall plot.

    • @calvindyson
      @calvindyson  3 года назад +5

      Quite agree! Bond and Octopussy make for a great pairing and I could totally envision them having more than just a casual relationship once the film ends!

    • @tomwood555
      @tomwood555 3 года назад

      @@calvindyson definitely, I said in a previous comment that Octopussy out of all of RMs bond girls is the one he should have ended up with, but then Stacey JAAAAAMMEEESSSSS Sutton comes along 😂

  • @sashaking1111
    @sashaking1111 3 года назад +12

    Is your A View To A Kill review coming out soon, Calvin? I’m really really excited for it!!!

    • @calvindyson
      @calvindyson  3 года назад +19

      Indeed it is! Next Sunday 😁😁

    • @sashaking1111
      @sashaking1111 3 года назад +4

      @@calvindyson oh wonderful!!! I’ll be tuning in

    • @bonghunezhou5051
      @bonghunezhou5051 3 года назад +3

      A longer than expected gap between #13 and View/Kill. I know, there was a fiery debate about Moore's last entry between Calvin and David in the interim. Looking forward to it next week!

    • @jonathanfurzeland4740
      @jonathanfurzeland4740 3 года назад +2

      @@calvindyson can't wait for that 👍

  • @DafyddBrooks
    @DafyddBrooks 3 года назад +4

    Ever noticed when Octopussy asks Magda where Kamal is going, Magda is clearly dubbed and is not saying "back to india" . I think she's saying "back ofcourse"

  • @lil_dak_1587
    @lil_dak_1587 3 года назад +8

    😁 Always love seeing these!
    I'd love to see you do a video on Roger Moore's appearance on The Muppet Show.

    • @calvindyson
      @calvindyson  3 года назад +6

      Not a bad shout! I actually listen to his "Talk to the Animals" song quite a lot !

  • @helgaratbone1691
    @helgaratbone1691 3 года назад +4

    Take out the Tarzan yell and perhaps a few other silly moments and this flick rocks!

    • @dereklewis4321
      @dereklewis4321 3 года назад +1

      Tarzan swing and the boob zooming are my only gripes with the film. Other than that its flawless.

  • @richardfuchs3690
    @richardfuchs3690 3 года назад +4

    I remember the summer of 1983 and there wasn't much made of this battle of the Bonds. Probably because NSNA was delayed from the summer to the fall because of post-production delays.

  • @okradiohead7430
    @okradiohead7430 3 года назад +5

    I am so looking forward to the Dr. No debate! Finally!! I'm in David's corner on this one (defender) but I'm always interested in seeing if my viewpoint (or one of yours) is swayed through the rewatch/discussion.

    • @okradiohead7430
      @okradiohead7430 3 года назад

      Just to be clear. I might be with David on a lot of these. BUT when he did his live rankings video, IT WAS BATSHIT CRAZY. Off the top of my head, License to Kill and Spectre were WAY off from where I stand. But I loved it because it was so off the wall. Like he really pulled a Rian Johnson in subverting our expectations. SO... Howabout a video where you act as grand inquistor to explain himself on his most controversial choices? That would be a lot of fun.

  • @deadaccount6616
    @deadaccount6616 3 года назад +7

    Such an underrated bond film! This is my guilty pleasure along with diamonds are forever, you can’t have a bad time watching it.

  • @CaminoAir
    @CaminoAir 3 года назад +4

    Great discussion once again, guys. David summed up my own opinion with his usual expert eye. I saw 'Octopussy' in London in 1983. I thought it was at times bloated and at other times the pacing dragged. Those two issues were a real disappointment after John Glen's debut, which had much more fluidity and focus. It works better on DVD where the pacing seems much less of an issue, but the tonal shift between the Indian sequences and the East/West Germany ones is still pronounced. It's hard to see another Bond actor in this movie, unless somehow Moore's 007 was replaced by M with a new 007 for the second more contemporary and more serious half (i.e. Timothy Dalton). The casting is excellent though. And I like 'All Time High'. And Bond being tricked by those obnoxious young people is one of my favorite moments in the series (considering the extremely high stakes involved, it's an inspired idea). It's something that happened to John Glen in real life and he used it in the movie. Was the train stunt sequence inspired by Connery's 'The First Great Train Robbery'? There are definite specific moments lifted from it anyway.

  • @TheT3rr0rMask
    @TheT3rr0rMask 3 года назад +13

    Hopped into Octopussy on DVD in middle school,, knowing the hate it had. Finished it surprised and satisfied, it's cringe moments are way too overblown and don't overtake its better aspects

  • @sashaking1111
    @sashaking1111 3 года назад +5

    Thank you, Calvin and David, you’ve made me want to watch Octopussy again!!!!!

  • @lucabeckr
    @lucabeckr 3 года назад +5

    Fantastic video!
    One question remains: Did you record the "Big cheesy gooey pizza" sound effect by yourself?
    Just from how it sounds and you used it like 10 times through the video. It got me every single time 😅 And now I am hungry 🤤🍕

  • @nestorperena8629
    @nestorperena8629 3 года назад +22

    Connery = The Classic Bond
    Lazenby = The Forgotten Bond
    Moore = The Comedic Bond
    Dalton = The Serious Bond
    Brosnan = The Handsome Bond
    Craig = The Blunt Bond

    • @PortobelloRd
      @PortobelloRd 3 года назад +5

      Brosnan= The Comedic,Classic,Handsome,Serious, Unforgotten Bond!

    • @pr-tj5by
      @pr-tj5by 2 года назад

      @@PortobelloRd You can take out Unforgotten, he's probably the most complete Bond package

    • @itachiuchiha7728
      @itachiuchiha7728 2 года назад +2

      Craig no Bond at all call him old Jason Bourne 😂

    • @drachireidnoc6659
      @drachireidnoc6659 2 года назад +1

      It’s kind of funny because On Her Majesty’s Secret Service is one of the best bond films

  • @erikdolnack2737
    @erikdolnack2737 3 года назад +3

    David is correct, the year of the battle of the Bonds wasn't as big in 1983 in the States, Octopussy was released in the summer, while Never Say Never Again was released in the Fall (there was no overlap). 'Never' was only exciting to older Bond fans, because for most younger Bond fans at the time, Roger Moore was James Bond.

    • @jamesatkinsonja
      @jamesatkinsonja 3 года назад +2

      I read somewhere NSNA had the biggest Autumn release at the box office in the USA but in those days far fewer people went to cinema in the autumn compared to summer [hence why all the Bond's were released then prior to Brosnan].

    • @erikdolnack2737
      @erikdolnack2737 3 года назад +2

      @@jamesatkinsonja Actually, most Roger Moore Bond films were summer releases. I believe Octopussy was released in cinemas in June, 1983. Octopussy actually grossed more at the box office in 1983 than Never, so Moore won the battle of the Bonds.

    • @jamesatkinsonja
      @jamesatkinsonja 3 года назад +1

      @@erikdolnack2737 True, I think all of the Moore Bond's were summer releases except for Golden Gun [which had a noticeably lower box office]. Never opened quite big but the grosses were down on Octopussy which was partly blamed on it missing the summer slot.Moore certainly won the battle no question.

  • @TheAbidingDude95
    @TheAbidingDude95 3 года назад +1

    Oh I hope the greasy pizza is the next reoccuring joke along with science fact and the double taking pigeon.

  • @johntaylorson7769
    @johntaylorson7769 5 месяцев назад

    "Everyone's just sitting there, with big bushy eyebrows..."
    You guys crack me up. I'd love some more of these debates.

  • @kallreader7376
    @kallreader7376 3 года назад +2

    Bond had to rock the clown outfit to show only 007 could pull it off, we saw what happened to 009 when he tried that disguise

  • @nashf5925
    @nashf5925 2 года назад +1

    Spot-on analogy with the greasy pizza & beer. This is a great double bill and fun ride with Diamonds are Forever. This one on the dvd is amazing, every new chapter starts exactly where you'd want a new scene to begin. For me, this film is flawless from Germany to the end. I got huge action/comedy Peter Sellars' / Blake Edwards Pink Panther vibes, especially with the Gorilla disguise.

  • @rocky-o
    @rocky-o 3 года назад +1

    always love the debates guys....and i agree 100% about maud adams...having said that...being older than david, when 'never say never again' again came out, (i was around 25), it was like christmas in july...we had the'real bond back and i remember going to see it opening night in new york city and the place was packed...people were cheering and shouting with excitement, even just the first time he appeared on screen..when 'octopussy' came out, i saw it opening night at the same theatre, and while it was a pretty packed audience, there weren't many shouts of excitement...so that can give you an idea of 'a view to a double bill' bond review.....and then there was 'return of the jedi....cheers to both of you...can't wait for 'dr. no'...please stay well...peace always...rocky

  • @YuzBeK
    @YuzBeK 3 года назад +4

    It's an OCTOPUSSY world, we just live in it

  • @jakublulek3261
    @jakublulek3261 2 года назад +2

    My nostalgia comes from this movie and For Your Eyes Only being constantly on TV when I was a kid. This was the first Bond I have ever watched. Roger Moore was my Bond. His Bond and The Professionals TV series, the only things worthy of watching.

  • @johnrigs6540
    @johnrigs6540 3 года назад +3

    It’s Sunday….
    so here comes brand new Calvin!!
    And this time - he’s bringing a very special guest…..
    Who eats eyeballs!!😳😳
    As always - excellent analysis that really does point out new things to to notice and appreciate next time I watch the film.
    While Spy is my favorite of the Roger Moore Bonds - this one probably has the best balance of the seriousness of the For Your Eyes Only Roger and the Campy Moonraker Roger!
    “ Comfort food Bond “ is probably the best description for it -
    And I completely agree with your picks of This one and TND as those!
    ( for me - You Only Live Twice is also in that group of most watched “ Comfort Food “Bonds! They are the three that are always on my Phone or Tablet!)
    I also agree that Roger is at his absolute best in that Clown scene - bringing real urgency and suspense to what could have been a very silly sequence.
    It is clear that even at 56 he is still just fantastic as James Bond!
    As much as I love Craig as Bond - looking back on this I really hope they go back to a lighter, more fun and charming Bond next time around.
    Remembering this - I have to admit I really do miss that style!

  • @PaulBurgin
    @PaulBurgin 3 года назад +5

    I remember the watime mini series War and Remembrance being on TV in the late 1980s and Steven Berkoff played Adolf Hitler, and not only was he just about the most unnerving and convincing Hitler that I saw, his performance was very similar to how he played Orlov

    • @PaulBurgin
      @PaulBurgin 3 года назад +2

      And with regards to Moore's age, I agree it is how it is handled. Cary Grant did Charade at 58 and he totally gets away with it, in part because his age is acknowledged

    • @MrLorenzovanmatterho
      @MrLorenzovanmatterho 3 года назад

      Basically a retread of his role in The Professionals.

  • @SuperGrumpyDaddy
    @SuperGrumpyDaddy 3 года назад +5

    Another great one, guys. Unlike David I would like to see the sillier elements gone, by that I mean, Tarzan, ‘Sit!’, gorilla suit and the ‘tennis’ audience during the Tuk Tuk chase. Otherwise one of Moore’s best. Can’t wait for the Dr No debate, should be interesting!

  • @buckybarnes3803
    @buckybarnes3803 2 года назад

    You'll never believe I found a complete safari suit at a local secondhand store, my size! It's exactly like Roger Moore's, and the pants have zippers to convert them to shorts. It's completely classic, quality made, and NO ONE was even looking at it -- they kept marking down the price.

  • @johnwells5414
    @johnwells5414 2 года назад +2

    Roger Moore is the Adam West of James Bond’s…. Holy crap, that is perfect! I would say Michael Keaton is like the Connery of the Batman actors. He’s the template for what the character should be

  • @spaceace4387
    @spaceace4387 3 года назад +2

    I really do like the second half of Octopussy in Germany with the circus. I think my main complaint is that the movie wants us to feel that Octopussy is someone to be feared yet they never really provided a justified reason as to why she should be feared. I mean Kamal has guy's with rotating saw blades, I don't buy that they are so terrified of Octopussy and that they "don't want to make enemies with the woman". I do admit though that Roger absolutely kills it in this movie.

  • @dudleymq
    @dudleymq 3 года назад +1

    Thank you! Always loved Octopussy since I saw it in the theatre. Comparing its non-stop action -- and fun -- to the sombre and low key Skyfall and Spectre really shows how the producers have kind of lost sight of why we love these movies.

  • @davidjames579
    @davidjames579 3 года назад +1

    Bear in mind, David, that while Kamal Khan or General Orlov's guys weren't chasing Bond at the circus, the German Police and American Airforce were, as he'd invaded an American Airbase, to escape the pursuing German Police. While I agree putting on clown makeup makes no sense, given the ticking time bomb he was driving fast to avoid (and why he attracted the attention of the Police in the first place), a disguise at least makes sense.

  • @davidjames579
    @davidjames579 3 года назад +4

    KD Lang told David Arnold that she'd have loved to have had a go at writing a song using Octopussy in the lyrics.

  • @brycewilson5886
    @brycewilson5886 3 года назад +5

    I love David's passion for Bond and he always makes some solid points, but dayyuummm his taste in Bond movies is almost the polar opposite of mine. Octopussy is such a GREAT Bond movie, maybe makes my top 10 and maybe Moore's finest.

    • @jethryk
      @jethryk 3 года назад

      I'm the opposite, much more intune with David's choices (except Quantum of Solace) but I am with Calvin on this one.

  • @joshe1856
    @joshe1856 3 года назад

    I was delighted to have my outrage at David's initial low ranking captured in his video. Double-0 delighted to have it feature again in yours, Calvin! Long live Octopooossy. Keep up the good work you too-you're keeping us all sane in these crazy times x

  • @welshtricky1917
    @welshtricky1917 3 года назад +1

    I too am underwhelmed by All Time High but I absolutely love the instrumental version Octopussy (arr. C. egan) by the Philharmonic Orchestra on Spotify if you want to know the exact one I mean. John Barry’s score when it incorporates it is amazing! Such a beautiful song

  • @atlantium65
    @atlantium65 3 года назад

    Great back and forth. You guys are awesome.

  • @jethryk
    @jethryk 3 года назад +1

    Love these debates and it's nice to agree with Calvin... for a change. :)

  • @AM-np3hf
    @AM-np3hf Год назад +1

    I’m about the same age as David. Perhaps it’s because I grew up in LA, it was somewhat on the radar that NSNA was a competing film. Saw it in its initial release and enjoyed it. Seeing it more recently, can see why it’s been torn apart. Would say at the time, probably preferred Octopussy but it was close. Both were on cable in heavy rotation for a long time shortly after their theatrical releases at least in LA.

  • @NicolasPentray
    @NicolasPentray Год назад +1

    I just saw the movie and the first time I didn't like it and now, 10 years later, I must say that I loved it, it became one of my favorites. It's a great spy thriller and Roger Moore is PERFECT.

  • @jamescampion7880
    @jamescampion7880 3 года назад +2

    Octopussy was June and Never Say Never Again was October of 83. Octopussy was the box office winner. And yes it was all over the media as a battle of the Bonds. Entertainment Tonight alone milked it for months.

  • @jamminjohn
    @jamminjohn 3 года назад

    My favorite scene is the "It's All In The Wrist" scene but Never Say Never Again is my favorite of the two.

  • @Herba2
    @Herba2 3 года назад +1

    When David brings up the amount of times Bond puts on disguises in this film
    Really stupid comparison but it made me think of Spy from TF2 for some dumb reason
    😂

  • @adamcollins915
    @adamcollins915 3 года назад +11

    Octopussy was funny, exciting, exotic, spectacular & had a great cast. Moore was at the top of his game. Not sure what more people want from a Bond movie.

  • @MorganOwen8958
    @MorganOwen8958 3 года назад +1

    I am wondering who is going to be attacker and defender for movies like Casino Royale, Skyfall, Goldeneye and Goldfinger because it is going to be so hard to attack movies like that and the defender would have such an easy job.

  • @caiorezei
    @caiorezei 3 года назад

    [TL;DR] I have watched this channel for years and I feel guilty that I only subbed today because I never noticed that I wasn't subbed.
    Hey, Mr. Dyson (Calvin Dyson)!
    I just wanted to apologize. I have watched your videos for years now, and I only noticed today that I wasn't subscribed. As a HUGE fan of Bond's games, your channel became my go-to when I wanted to hear a 007 specialist/fan talk about his games. It's fun because, as fans, we can hate the games when they don't work or represent something properly, but we can always have some enjoyment just because it's Bond-themed.
    Much love from Brazil, man! I hope you read this and have a lovely day!

  • @dereklewis4321
    @dereklewis4321 3 года назад +5

    Octopussy is hands down the *BEST* Moore movie. Top 5 Bond films. I love everything about it. Besides the boob zooming and Tarzan swing its a flawless film. Great action, location and cast. Khan and Bond have the best dialogue in this.

  • @motionpictureplus
    @motionpictureplus 5 месяцев назад +2

    Calvin right on the money. Octopussy needs more credit

  • @tlshortyshorty5810
    @tlshortyshorty5810 3 года назад

    I noticed some remarkable similarities and plot-related tropes in Octopussy to more contemporary depictions of the Cold War such as Call of Duty Black Ops and Metal Gear Solid.
    >nuclear weapons across the German border (Project Greenlight, BO:CW)
    >Faberge egg and royal treasure being sold off to help the Soviet cause (Philosopher’s Legacy, MGS3)
    >jungle survival sequence (Tselinoyarsk, MGS3)
    >various disguises (Hitman Agent 47 and Metal Gear)

  • @maxking235
    @maxking235 3 года назад +1

    Great job chaps. I heartily agree!

  • @davidsummer8631
    @davidsummer8631 3 года назад +1

    I like the idea of comparing Bonds to Batman's

  • @unclepatrick2
    @unclepatrick2 3 года назад +1

    My favorite Q moment is in Octopussy .
    Early on, a girl show Bond to his hotel room and ask if he need any thing more .
    Moore answers "Not now . Maybe Latter"
    When Q flies in the Balloon at the end, and he being help out of it by the Girls ,
    Q says "Not Now , Maybe Latter"

  • @ansilumens1444
    @ansilumens1444 2 года назад

    The sit instruction to the Tiger is based on Barbara woodhouse, who presented a number of TV programmes about training dogs.

  • @Dohsoda
    @Dohsoda 3 года назад +2

    This is by far my favoirte Roger Moore Bond movie. Its the closest the series gets to an Indiana Jones adventure film. Its so much fun! Also, I totally agree, Roger Moore is the Adam West of Bond's. That is a high complement in my book!

  • @cosmedelustrac5842
    @cosmedelustrac5842 3 года назад +8

    I love Octopussy. It has everything that a classic Bond movie should have and even more. All the people involved in the making of this film brought their A game to outcompeat Never Say Never Again.

  • @davidsidney7457
    @davidsidney7457 3 года назад +2

    I used to really dislike this over the years but it has grown on me, comes in 4th for the Moore adventures behind FYEO, TSWLM and LALD.

  • @corilannister9346
    @corilannister9346 3 года назад +1

    Another great discussion.. Interesting: i had to lift up Moonraker because of Calvin and might demote Octopussy because of David.. Nevertheless, my favorite part was actually the news that you two will discuss Dr. No next.. This is probably gonna be a bombastic debate..

  • @nihits
    @nihits 3 года назад +1

    He tried to get in as he was but he was pushed away by the security guard when he says "damn it man I said its urgent" thats when he had to go rogue and disguise as a clown to get in without questioning or explaining.. just enough to reach octopussy who he knew had the authority and trust to take action..

  • @VideoTasties
    @VideoTasties 3 года назад

    The first Bond film I saw in the cinema, only Moore can pull off a flared safari suit

  • @billa107
    @billa107 3 года назад +1

    Octopussy isn’t so bad. I found out how clever the plot actually is a while back and have new love for the movie in why Orlov and Kamal Khan should work together. It has its cheesy comedic moments, but they have charm. I love it!

  • @jackhime5628
    @jackhime5628 3 года назад +5

    I love Octopussy and this is my favorite of Roger Moore and the first one I watched of James Bond films and it’s like the answer to Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark

  • @jvblhc
    @jvblhc 3 года назад +1

    I have every Connery/Bond movie in collection. Then I have one or two movies of each new Bond. I bought The Spy Who Loves Me. I wanted to add Live and Let Die, but I couldn't find one that was not pricey. So I went with Octopussy, a movie I really enjoyed in the movies and when I watched it back at home, I enjoyed it all over again. I have no problem with him as a clown. No other Bond could pull that scene off and still keep his dignity.

  • @sashaking1115
    @sashaking1115 2 года назад +1

    Octopussy is my favourite Roger Moore Bond film, alongside Moonraker, Live And Let Die, AVTAK and perhaps the Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only

  • @suebob16
    @suebob16 2 года назад

    Regarding the question about why the ladies were crowding around Q and his balloon towards the end was because one of Kamal's gang was about to shoot them point blank with a rifle. Q helped by shoving his balloon against the man. The ladies were hugging him in gratitude.

  • @adamcollins915
    @adamcollins915 3 года назад +1

    Liked the theme song. Better than FYEO. The film was promoted as Bond action at an 'All time high'.

  • @felixwadsley1980
    @felixwadsley1980 3 года назад

    this was my first roger film and might have been my first bond film all together and it also helps going to the filming locations giving this a very special place in my heart.

  • @jamescampion7880
    @jamescampion7880 3 года назад

    The sequence in the train car with that glorious kill and the shootout that follows is one of the best action sets ever. The car on the railroad tracks even seemed plausible.

  • @neilmarktaylor4386
    @neilmarktaylor4386 3 года назад +2

    Partly filmed near where I live there was later a big picture of Roger Moore in the hotel where they were staying in Peterborough when filming at the nean valley railway