I found the comparative meter readings helpful that were reported to you such as 2 S-units lower with more hiss. Those were good practical bits of info. Plus, we could all hear the white noise increasing with the shorter antennas.
Another excellent video. I'm really glad you've covered these antennas. I have a Abbree branded BNC 13 inch, and it seems to perform well. The 42.5 inch ones are largely pointless, and it seems they don't perform any better than a Nagoya NA-771. The main issue with the longer ones is the risk of snapping the antenna connector, or breaking a BNC adapter off in the connector.
Interesting comparison - going out so we don’t have to! 😆 I do believe they tend to fold over in strong wind conditions though, so do have limitations on open ground, weather dependant.
Hi lewis i use a magmount with a bnc adapter on my car and the tactical antenna is one of antennas i use on my handheld in the car and it works great,thank you for all your hard work making these videos.
I asked him to try the Abbree whip military style antenna. It's great. They have many knock offs now that are not so great. But the ones he is using are working great!
Great demo on the antennas, may get one for my 10r plus, subscribed just so I can hear the Manc accent lol, from Droylsden originally living in Devon for 30yr
Very good . shows antenna makes more difference than power. nice to see you get some good weather days to play radio. Even in the US this is great info . radio works the same hear. would like to see some solar charging on a HT . I do it in the US and it's great . did a long 2 week trip camping of grid and never ran out of power . and was some rain days. 73's Boston NY
Very useful vid. I'm picking up lots of tips from your videos, thanks. You mention trying high and low power during the vid. Can I ask why or when would you choose low? Doesn't the high power always give the better signal?
I can add some useful info from my experience. UV-5R HT in normal conditions and mixed path (relatively flat surface, 65% open field, 30% forest, 5% buildings, no additional elevation) with Nagoya 771 antenna can shoot up to 9-10 km. The short kit antenna works up to 6-7 km. Surprisingly, VHF is worse than UHF.
Hi Lewis great video mate about your 3 different antennas and also the 3 different power levels as well I've got the ABBREE antenna it's about 1 meter in length and I've used indoors and I have had some really good results with it on my Baofeng UV-9RPLUS radio and people gave me 5-9 reports and 5-7 for the long distance stations my radio does 8 Watts high power medium power is 4 Watts and low power is 1 watt but it works extremely well I haven't tested it outdoors mobile just yet but I'll get round to doing it soon mate. Anyway great video and a good demonstration on the 3 different antennas cheers mate and best 73's for now. Stephen M3SNV 73's.
hi Stephen, was it a folding antenna that you used with the UV 9r plus. The reason I'm asking is that I cannot seem to find a folding antenna that fits my uv-9r
I have a hard time understanding your graph, mate. I see distance, antenna length and the power of your radio, but the {5/X} I assume must mean the power-received signal. I'm fairly new to ham radio, but if I interpret your graph correctly, it would seem to indicate that power output in watts does make a significant difference in field distance. The longer tactical antenna is a bit too long for practical purposes, but have you compared the 18.5-inch tactical antenna with a 15-inch Nagoya NA-771 or NA-24J antenna?
I got a cheepy Bingfu (one of many Baofeng offshoots I suspect) 42 inch tactical for a UV81c (Baofend on 476/7 -Australasian UHF CB) SWR was over 7.8 - I didn't even bother range testing it as didn't want to cook the handset, but out of curiosity tried taking the top section off leaving the wound 4 inch stubby that connects to the radio & got a SWR of 1.... truly bizarre but still seemed a better call to get my money back while I could hence its been returned. #ham hesitant in the antipodes.
Another good video Lewis always wondered if these were a gimmick or not, seemingly not by this video. We chatted resently via messenger about dmr well I passed my foundation and awaiting Ofcom now to let me apply. Keep up the good work
@@RingwayManchester Thankyou, hopefully hear you soon, do you prefer UHF and VHF to HF ? As it seems that most of your videos Ive seen, it's not a moan lol. Keep up the good videos and maybe hear you one day
Hello ! I think it would be a great idea to make a range comparison with this kind of baofeg and a handy cb radio. Theoretically a cb should be less efficient taking into consideration wafelenght but I have a strange feeling it would work as well. What do u thibk Lewis ?
Hi Andrew, not sure if you're able to but if the antenna you receive is working how it should be then would you mind dropping the link in the comments here. I don't want to accidentally purchase a fake one. Many thanks,
. Ten Four Thinking a cable could connect radio and MOUNTED antenna be it on a vehicle or at our residence Good inserting the maps and towers Excellent perspective Well Done ...
Great vid as always Lewis... I was considering one of these. Hear like many of the other brands, these are high on the counterfeiters list, so I will keep to reputable sellers... I miss your 'live from the shack' sunday evenings... Hope we all.get together soon m8..It was a good interaction for all who subscribe...Hope you & family are well. H
BTW, if you were going to buy a new UV-82, would you get an 8W model or a 5W model. I have both and the 5W model is a bit more powerful than 5Ws on UHF, which is the opposite of what I get on many of my other radios. Most of my other radios do better on VHF than UHF. One of my 10W radios measures close to 14W on 146.355 and 13W on my other VHF frequencies, and 11W on all of my UHF frequencies. My 8W UV-82 isn't significantly more powerful than the 5W model. But I don't consider a watt or two much of a change.
5/8 signal from nearly 50 km is pretty decent like for 4watts i have a uv82 aswell i prefer my yaesu vx170 have a pl259 nagoya 770h convertion anntenna did a bit mod to the wire with copper rod on just for listening at moment picked up quite a few on 2 meters not tryed them abbree antennas might have to invest in 1 now with that performance. Stay safe lewis thanks
I use the 42.5 inch Abbree on a Boafeng uv5r here in Norfolk with some good results but its a bit awkward even with the extended battery pack. I will be testing it from high ground soon, I have a ROC Post near me with excellent view of distant masts in Norfolk and Suffolk so will be interested to get some good results with radio mounted on tripod.
great video Lewis and working well yes the fakes are bad but its bad when the fakes actually work and better then the real one i got 2 twenty inch for my 2 and 70cm handy radios one was fake but it was working fine but for how long and the other was a good one but it worked but not as good as the fake i think it if they work great ok but,,,,, 73s Lewis.
Hi Lewis great review they look like very good antennas I will consider buying one. Where did you get both of the antennas in your review from? Could you please post me the link? Thanks for sharing looking forward to seeing your next video keep up the good work thanks 😊.
Hi Stephen, the short one was from eBay but I can't remember which seller, the long one I was sent by Retevis about 8 months ago and forgot I had it. Best 73 for now
Nice test, do you have the model numbers and/or a link? I'd also be interested in seeing comparative results with the antennas folded. And here's a video idea for you: I've always wondered if using DCS/CTCSS decreases effective range when the radio is right at the fringe of its coverage area. In theory, it might receive enough signal to open the squelch and be readable, but if it can't clearly detect the entire squelch code it might fail to unmute. Maybe a controlled test would be interesting! Thanks.
the short one was from eBay but I can't remember which seller, the long one I was sent by Retevis about 8 months ago and forgot I had it. Nice idea on the video! I'll add it to the list Best 73 for now
Hello Lewis as always great video. Nice review or field tests. Still planning on getting my foundation licence. Not sure when that will be with all this covid-19 stuff. Not that far from you guessing about 10 miles. Already have a uv-5r which seems a good start, just need to start. Hope to chat soon 73 for now 👍🏻
DX Commander M0MCX did a video recently about doing the Foundation exam on-line, it would be worth looking at his channel for more information, I think the video is only a few weeks old where he interviewed somebody from RSGB. 73 M0VCX
@@RingwayManchester Thanks for the reply. Do you know or have an idea of how the practical side of it will work? Just want the foundation so I know how and use a radio like the idea of just having one in a bag or the car. Ideal if I go out walking to high ground ie cat and fiddle or teggs nose. I have been to two radio clubs to see what it was like. 🤔
Hi Lewis just out of interest mate what year did you do the foundation licence course? Because I passed in 2001 when I was only 20 years old at the time and like yourself mate I know Cath Wilson M1CNY and Dave M0OBW I know them both really well and they are good friends and really cool and laid back types aren't they mate? And when I did the Foundation exam well I used to go on the net on 433.350mhz GB3MR and every week John M5HFJ and they did that every week and it was fantastic fun and there used to be loads of people on the repeater every night and it was brilliant but they don't do it anymore which is a shame like but there you go mate. Anyway you take care and please get back to me very soon then mate OK thanks and best 73's for now then mate OK cheers mate. Stephen M3SNV 73's.
Great video Lewis!! just checked the comments, sad to see no mention of riding an electric scooter on the wrong side of the road whilst filming though? also nobody criticizing your contact for shouting break and not his callsign, plenty of time yet LOL, dont go filming those sheep at night, people will start talking. 73
Umm, you do realize that the Metal Gate you're leaning on, and the Iron Ore in the ground, and the Water-table, even the DreamLiner, are all squewing your results, yeah ?! Cheerz ;)
Stock antenna's Duck Bills always suck. I put them in strorage and buy allot better wip antenna there cheap and affordable . The Height and Weight of your radio gives you better performance. So i upgraded to a Extended Battery it prolongs the use and a Nagoya 177 Wip Antenna now i can get out to 120 Miles on my UV5R no problem. Before that i was getting 60 Miles out hafe the range .
Lol, all this ‘length’ measuring is anecdotal and meaningless. A more realistic and scientific approach would be to set up a 0 dB gain dipole antenna in an open field attached to a calibrated receiver with rssi, spectrum analyzer or field strength meter. Keep both receive antenna and test antenna(s) in the same polarization, vertical in this case, about a meter or two off the ground and transmit from multiple wavelengths away. A few hundred feet or more should do. Reduce power till you get a reading mid scale then swap out antennas as you please, noting gains or losses as you go (which are always measured and stated in microvolts per meter or dB’s.) keep your body out of the way or at the very least hold still in a repeatable fashion, don’t twist and turn and wave your arms about. This is the definitive way of measuring and comparing antenna gains/losses. Anything else is anecdotal, subjective and speculative. Keep the science alive in amateur radio, you don’t want to become a know-nothing appliance operator like those cb radio hacks.
Here you go, I just found this, this ham knows and demonstrates how to test your antenna. No ambiguity or silly anecdotal analysis. m.ruclips.net/video/wec7IE81Byk/видео.html
I found the comparative meter readings helpful that were reported to you such as 2 S-units lower with more hiss. Those were good practical bits of info. Plus, we could all hear the white noise increasing with the shorter antennas.
Very interesting Lewis, thanks for taking the time to make these informative vids, much appreciated. PS: the music... excellent choice I might add.
Another excellent video. I'm really glad you've covered these antennas. I have a Abbree branded BNC 13 inch, and it seems to perform well. The 42.5 inch ones are largely pointless, and it seems they don't perform any better than a Nagoya NA-771. The main issue with the longer ones is the risk of snapping the antenna connector, or breaking a BNC adapter off in the connector.
Cheers Paul, the 42 inch one is on the way so I'll be doing some proper testing
@@RingwayManchester Sweet. That will be great.
@@RingwayManchester did this ever happen?
Well that's gd news was thinking of getting the big antenna u just sold it for me good video and thanks again
Cheers Ali!
Interesting comparison - going out so we don’t have to! 😆
I do believe they tend to fold over in strong wind conditions though, so do have limitations on open ground, weather dependant.
Cheers Phil! Yeah that'll be a true test! 42 incher ont he way!
Hi lewis i use a magmount with a bnc adapter on my car and the tactical antenna is one of antennas i use on my handheld in the car and it works great,thank you for all your hard work making these videos.
Love your show and been watching your show for a while. And love it thanks for all that on the Antenna great stuff, ct 7840 Luton 💯🇬🇧👍
Brilliant video as per usual mate really enjoyed it.
What a lovely landscape!
Thanks Lewis a good comparison on 2m I have a Boafeng UV-9R Plus so I well try it out with a 28 inch tactical. Atb ... M7AVM.
Nice one Lewis. One of my subs asked me to try one of these.
I asked him to try the Abbree whip military style antenna. It's great. They have many knock offs now that are not so great. But the ones he is using are working great!
Fred when are you getting your license 73s Tom VK3FTOM
Cheers Fred! Hope you're ok mate
@@RingwayManchester All good bud. thanks for asking.
Great demo on the antennas, may get one for my 10r plus, subscribed just so I can hear the Manc accent lol, from Droylsden originally living in Devon for 30yr
Lewis, links for the big one and the small one would be handy. Nice review. Regards
Very good . shows antenna makes more difference than power. nice to see you get some good weather days to play radio. Even in the US this is great info . radio works the same hear. would like to see some solar charging on a HT . I do it in the US and it's great . did a long 2 week trip camping of grid and never ran out of power . and was some rain days. 73's Boston NY
Very useful vid. I'm picking up lots of tips from your videos, thanks. You mention trying high and low power during the vid. Can I ask why or when would you choose low? Doesn't the high power always give the better signal?
One purpose for the low power setting is longer battery life, I think.
I can add some useful info from my experience. UV-5R HT in normal conditions and mixed path (relatively flat surface, 65% open field, 30% forest, 5% buildings, no additional elevation) with Nagoya 771 antenna can shoot up to 9-10 km. The short kit antenna works up to 6-7 km. Surprisingly, VHF is worse than UHF.
Hi Lewis great video mate about your 3 different antennas and also the 3 different power levels as well I've got the ABBREE antenna it's about 1 meter in length and I've used indoors and I have had some really good results with it on my Baofeng UV-9RPLUS radio and people gave me 5-9 reports and 5-7 for the long distance stations my radio does 8 Watts high power medium power is 4 Watts and low power is 1 watt but it works extremely well I haven't tested it outdoors mobile just yet but I'll get round to doing it soon mate. Anyway great video and a good demonstration on the 3 different antennas cheers mate and best 73's for now. Stephen M3SNV 73's.
hi Stephen, was it a folding antenna that you used with the UV 9r plus. The reason I'm asking is that I cannot seem to find a folding antenna that fits my uv-9r
I have a hard time understanding your graph, mate. I see distance, antenna length and the power of your radio, but the {5/X} I assume must mean the power-received signal. I'm fairly new to ham radio, but if I interpret your graph correctly, it would seem to indicate that power output in watts does make a significant difference in field distance. The longer tactical antenna is a bit too long for practical purposes, but have you compared the 18.5-inch tactical antenna with a 15-inch Nagoya NA-771 or NA-24J antenna?
I got a cheepy Bingfu (one of many Baofeng offshoots I suspect) 42 inch tactical for a UV81c (Baofend on 476/7 -Australasian UHF CB) SWR was over 7.8 - I didn't even bother range testing it as didn't want to cook the handset, but out of curiosity tried taking the top section off leaving the wound 4 inch stubby that connects to the radio & got a SWR of 1.... truly bizarre but still seemed a better call to get my money back while I could hence its been returned. #ham hesitant in the antipodes.
Another good video Lewis always wondered if these were a gimmick or not, seemingly not by this video. We chatted resently via messenger about dmr well I passed my foundation and awaiting Ofcom now to let me apply. Keep up the good work
Great stuff Jamie congrats! Maybe catch you on the air soon
@@RingwayManchester Thankyou, hopefully hear you soon, do you prefer UHF and VHF to HF ? As it seems that most of your videos Ive seen, it's not a moan lol. Keep up the good videos and maybe hear you one day
Great Vid as always Lewis, have you done any SWR checks on these? Cheers Dave
You sold me, KG7LPH, central Montana USA.
Should work great in our wide open spaces...
73's all!
Cheers!
I got the largest one, and it does amazingly well.
I love how he pans up to see the rest of the antenna and it just keep going off screen lmao
Hello ! I think it would be a great idea to make a range comparison with this kind of baofeg and a handy cb radio. Theoretically a cb should be less efficient taking into consideration wafelenght but I have a strange feeling it would work as well. What do u thibk Lewis ?
Good idea! I’ve got a handheld cb somewhere
Hi Lewis great review mate I've ordered one as I said I would.
Thanks for the qso earlier today mate.
73 Andy M0UKN.
Great to chat to you Andy! Thanks a lot! Best 73 for now!
Hi Andrew, not sure if you're able to but if the antenna you receive is working how it should be then would you mind dropping the link in the comments here.
I don't want to accidentally purchase a fake one.
Many thanks,
Cameron Harris-Aldred Second that
Ordered the 42.5” Andy! Maybe catch you for the test
@@RingwayManchester absolutely Lewis no problems at all. Drop me a message on my email via qrz and I'll jump on the radio mate
73 for now
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Ten Four
Thinking a cable could
connect radio and
MOUNTED antenna
be it on a vehicle
or at our residence
Good inserting the maps
and towers
Excellent perspective
Well Done
...
Every time I use my radio inside my house the signal is poor and just get static any reason why that is?
Tactical antenna sure a better choice then. Thank you for the video.
What's the best... The retevis or abree version? Thanks
I was waiting for a distance to the sheep however was disappointed. Otherwise a great test with some interesting results.
Great vid as always Lewis... I was considering one of these. Hear like many of the other brands, these are high on the counterfeiters list, so I will keep to reputable sellers... I miss your 'live from the shack' sunday evenings... Hope we all.get together soon m8..It was a good interaction for all who subscribe...Hope you & family are well. H
Cheers mate! Yeah it's a minefield isn't it! Take care mate, same to you!
Its not just the antennas. Its also the power of ur handheld gotten less juice everytime.
Hi Lewis, did you try any UHF tests?
Not on this occasion no
BTW, if you were going to buy a new UV-82, would you get an 8W model or a 5W model. I have both and the 5W model is a bit more powerful than 5Ws on UHF, which is the opposite of what I get on many of my other radios. Most of my other radios do better on VHF than UHF. One of my 10W radios measures close to 14W on 146.355 and 13W on my other VHF frequencies, and 11W on all of my UHF frequencies. My 8W UV-82 isn't significantly more powerful than the 5W model. But I don't consider a watt or two much of a change.
Got the short one lewis. Pretty good but bizarre looking!
Cheers mate hope you're good!
Can the tactical antennas be used while folded?
Thanks, again Lewis, another enjoyable video
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent, thank you!
5/8 signal from nearly 50 km is pretty decent like for 4watts i have a uv82 aswell i prefer my yaesu vx170 have a pl259 nagoya 770h convertion anntenna did a bit mod to the wire with copper rod on just for listening at moment picked up quite a few on 2 meters not tryed them abbree antennas might have to invest in 1 now with that performance. Stay safe lewis thanks
I wonder if you can also use the gooseneck antenna efficiently WITHOUT the gooseneck. Is the gooseneck an integral part of the antenna?
antenna name model? can i found it on Amazon? can u link me?
You radio to radio?
Abbree is the best brand. But those seem to be working great.
I use the 42.5 inch Abbree on a Boafeng uv5r here in Norfolk with some good results but its a bit awkward even with the extended battery pack. I will be testing it from high ground soon, I have a ROC Post near me with excellent view of distant masts in Norfolk and Suffolk so will be interested to get some good results with radio mounted on tripod.
@@stoatrepublic I have the same setup, it works great. But I'm just north of San Francisco California. 😎🤙
youre in a high ground so signals on both antenna are strong. no hindrances, interference
Yes we know
No link to where you can purchase either arial?
The link I had expired..: google it
tester aujourd’hui je confirme excellent
great video Lewis and working well yes the fakes are bad but its bad when the fakes actually work and better then the real one i got 2 twenty inch for my 2 and 70cm handy radios one was fake but it was working fine but for how long and the other was a good one but it worked but not as good as the fake i think it if they work great ok but,,,,, 73s Lewis.
Hi Lewis great review they look like very good antennas I will consider buying one. Where did you get both of the antennas in your review from? Could you please post me the link? Thanks for sharing looking forward to seeing your next video keep up the good work thanks 😊.
Hi Stephen, the short one was from eBay but I can't remember which seller, the long one I was sent by Retevis about 8 months ago and forgot I had it. Best 73 for now
what's the full name of the 42.5 n where did you get it from pal
Can’t remember now mate sorry
Nice test, do you have the model numbers and/or a link?
I'd also be interested in seeing comparative results with the antennas folded.
And here's a video idea for you: I've always wondered if using DCS/CTCSS decreases effective range when the radio is right at the fringe of its coverage area. In theory, it might receive enough signal to open the squelch and be readable, but if it can't clearly detect the entire squelch code it might fail to unmute. Maybe a controlled test would be interesting! Thanks.
the short one was from eBay but I can't remember which seller, the long one I was sent by Retevis about 8 months ago and forgot I had it.
Nice idea on the video! I'll add it to the list
Best 73 for now
Hello Lewis as always great video. Nice review or field tests. Still planning on getting my foundation licence. Not sure when that will be with all this covid-19 stuff. Not that far from you guessing about 10 miles. Already have a uv-5r which seems a good start, just need to start.
Hope to chat soon
73 for now
👍🏻
DX Commander M0MCX did a video recently about doing the Foundation exam on-line, it would be worth looking at his channel for more information, I think the video is only a few weeks old where he interviewed somebody from RSGB. 73 M0VCX
Hi mate! You can do the course online at the moment! Good luck however you choose to do it. 73 for now
@@stoatrepublic yes I think he is doing something in the coming weeks too regarding foundation 🤞🏼
@@RingwayManchester Thanks for the reply. Do you know or have an idea of how the practical side of it will work?
Just want the foundation so I know how and use a radio like the idea of just having one in a bag or the car. Ideal if I go out walking to high ground ie cat and fiddle or teggs nose. I have been to two radio clubs to see what it was like. 🤔
@@Mottersmotters There is no practical mate! Easy peasy!
Was that on 2 or 70?
Runcorn seemed a good result
2m mate! cheers
Hi Lewis just out of interest mate what year did you do the foundation licence course? Because I passed in 2001 when I was only 20 years old at the time and like yourself mate I know Cath Wilson M1CNY and Dave M0OBW I know them both really well and they are good friends and really cool and laid back types aren't they mate? And when I did the Foundation exam well I used to go on the net on 433.350mhz GB3MR and every week John M5HFJ and they did that every week and it was fantastic fun and there used to be loads of people on the repeater every night and it was brilliant but they don't do it anymore which is a shame like but there you go mate. Anyway you take care and please get back to me very soon then mate OK thanks and best 73's for now then mate OK cheers mate. Stephen M3SNV 73's.
Does a Ham ticket cover QSO’s from an electric scooter? Is that /S or /A?
😂😂😂
Great video Lewis!! just checked the comments, sad to see no mention of riding an electric scooter on the wrong side of the road whilst filming though? also nobody criticizing your contact for shouting break and not his callsign, plenty of time yet LOL, dont go filming those sheep at night, people will start talking. 73
Im sure the band Police will be along shortly!
Think it’s still illegal to ride electric scooters on the road in uk at the moument you can ride a electric bike 73
Was that all on 70cm?
What are those antennas made of are they just a long piece of flexible metal?
it’s basically a wrapped tape measure. Similar to what the military use.
whats the distance "
This is insightful
Hi can you do the Yaesu FT3D please.
You got £300?
I have just bought one really good handy.
Very interesting product, whom ever has the foldable antenna, can they kindly send me a photo of it on a counter table or floor/surface? Thank you
What distance apart?
Is this a joke question??
Umm, you do realize that the Metal Gate you're leaning on, and the Iron Ore in the ground, and the Water-table, even the DreamLiner, are all squewing your results, yeah ?! Cheerz ;)
Stock antenna's Duck Bills always suck. I put them in strorage and buy allot better wip antenna there cheap and affordable . The Height and Weight of your radio gives you better performance. So i upgraded to a Extended Battery it prolongs the use and a Nagoya 177 Wip Antenna now i can get out to 120 Miles on my UV5R no problem. Before that i was getting 60 Miles out hafe the range .
Nice one 73
Many thanks!
Nice place
Just don't use it in any higher wind than you were in or they fold over. Mines in the trash because of that.
nice antennas
Thanks 👍
Kilometer ist km in small letters, obey the writing in International standards
Ist??? Learn to spell before you lecture me!
One of those will also work on 222MHz
Great, but where is the electric scooter review? 😁N9KHZ
Haha cheers mike it’s on the channel :)
@@RingwayManchester aha! I guess I wasn't paying attention to non radio reviews a year ago...
AABBREEEEEEE 🤣
Another great video.. 73 kd8dvr
Thanks so much John!
Lol, all this ‘length’ measuring is anecdotal and meaningless. A more realistic and scientific approach would be to set up a 0 dB gain dipole antenna in an open field attached to a calibrated receiver with rssi, spectrum analyzer or field strength meter. Keep both receive antenna and test antenna(s) in the same polarization, vertical in this case, about a meter or two off the ground and transmit from multiple wavelengths away. A few hundred feet or more should do. Reduce power till you get a reading mid scale then swap out antennas as you please, noting gains or losses as you go (which are always measured and stated in microvolts per meter or dB’s.) keep your body out of the way or at the very least hold still in a repeatable fashion, don’t twist and turn and wave your arms about. This is the definitive way of measuring and comparing antenna gains/losses. Anything else is anecdotal, subjective and speculative. Keep the science alive in amateur radio, you don’t want to become a know-nothing appliance operator like those cb radio hacks.
Here you go, I just found this, this ham knows and demonstrates how to test your antenna. No ambiguity or silly anecdotal analysis. m.ruclips.net/video/wec7IE81Byk/видео.html
You're a cool dude. If I'm ever Manchester way I'll put a call out for you. M7DHT
Great stuff Richard please do! Drop me an email ringwaymanchester@mail.com