Back then, swords were just objects used for battle. Very expensive objects at that. So if something in one country was proven to work, then they're probably going to start using that in other countries, because you want the best military technology you can have. An example of this is the brigandine. You can see it basically from Europe to Asia, and it was used in Korea too, called the du jeong gap 두정갑. Basically the same with the swords
Same with Southeast Asia, they all had similar sword styles except during the 1500s the european, chinese, and japanese came to trade and brought items with them which change the weaponry scene.
I prefer Japanese sword since the handle is thicker. It will have more grip. He didn't explain how Korean sword balance differently from Japanese sword.
@user-oy8gj9jb3c it is the same. Personal defense and cavalry weapon are 2 different ends. What is in between then? Katana is also personal defense and secondary weapon for war.
i like how the Joseon swords started to adapt the practical Japanese aesthetics; they saw something that works and they incorporated it just like in modern combat
Not even gonna make a comment on the blades themselves. Just here to say that the English subtitle is soooo poorly translated that the whole thing feels so hard to chew. Even when just talking about the Japanese blade, i can already hear 'mekugi' & 'shirasaya', yet none of that's mentioned in the subtitle, & instead, shit like 'moon knife' is seen. That alone is enough to tell just how much details are lost in this unless you actually speak Korean.
옳으신 말씀입니다. 🎉🎉🎉 다만 한국의 webtoon(웹툰)은 2000년대 이전부터 만화에 열망을 둔 아마추어 작가들이 작은 화실에 모여 발전시켜나가 탄생한 역사를 가지고 있습니다. 그리고 일본의 만화시장 체계와 엄연히 차이점을 두고있습니다. 최근엔 일본에서도 출판만화시장이 한국의 웹툰형식으로 바뀌어 가고있습니다. 요즘 일본과 중국이 한국을 따라하기 바쁩니다. (중국은 전세계를 상대로 상표와 디자인 그리고 프로그램을 표절한다. 스파이를 심어서 기술도 훔쳐간다.)그리고 옛날엔 한국의 음악과 과자가 일본을 모방하는일이 있었으나 일본은 서양의 과자와 음악 그리고 자동차와 캐릭터를 모방해왔다는것을 알아야합니다 ㅋㅋ 일본인들은 자국의 부끄러운 일이나 불리한 진실을 암묵적으로 숨기는 경향이 강하다. 몇백년전에는 한국의 도자기와 청자의 그림을 카피한일도 있었다. 😂😂 그리고 중국인들은 E-sport의 유래가 자신들이 종주국이라고 생각합니다. 유럽과 미국에서 시작해 한국을 거쳐 대중화 되었다는 것을 전혀 모릅니다.😂😂
The part where he said about how they wear it, he's using an Edo period Katana. In fact, the war time Tachi has very similar mounting to the Korean scabbard, since the Japanese of that time was also mounted archers as well. So i don't think this is a valid comparison
It just depends on what you're talking about. He's holding a katana so he talks about how katana were used. Although, in the time period that Koreans are most interested in (Japanese invasions 1592), it seems like even katana were often worn edge down, as that was a later change, so that's a detail he skipped over or just doesn't know because he's Korean and not Japanese. Katana are also the most iconic Japanese sword so you kind of have to expect that people are going to talk about it the most. When it comes to wearing the sword backwards, that wasn't unique to Korea, it was done by pretty much any civilization with horse archers, so you have a point there, but he was talking mostly about the ddidon, the little belt mounting device that allowed them to turn the sword back when they needed it. I don't know if other countries had this, I know that the Mongols had a technique for drawing behind the back, but I'm not sure if that was the only way they drew the sword or if they just did that only when necessary. I think that it's perfectly possible for someone wearing the sword backwards to draw it without a ddidon so I can see it just being a Korean thing. But in any case, it's not an unvalid comparison, it just depends on what you're talking about
The Hwandu Daedo, which was mainly used on the Korean Peninsula, became similar to the Hwando over time, such as having a smaller blade or the Hwandu on the handle disappearing, but the blade was still straight and straight. In fact, the swords of the Goryeo army described in the Mongolian Invasion Company and the Goryeo swords discovered in Cheoinseong were all straight blades, which were different from the curved swords. The first time the name ‘Hwando (환도)’ appears in records is in 1273, during the reign of King Chungnyeol of the Goryeo Dynasty. Considering this, it is presumed that when Goryeo came into contact with the Yuan Dynasty, the curved sword style that was popular among nomadic peoples at the time was influenced and the bending of the blade was added to create the Hwando. Therefore, it is presumed that the curved sword, Hwando, became the main sword from the end of the Goryeo Dynasty.
there's also the tachi which is longer and older than both the hwando and the uchigatana, its worn blade down and handle forward and straped to the waists, much like the hwando its worn because during the kamakura period (11th century) the samurai mainly fought with bows and only resorted to using their swords when they run out of arrows. they would ride forward using their momentum to add power to their sword swings. during the sengoku jidai even after the samurai transitioned from mounted archers to shock cavalry. the samurai both on the ground and on horse still prefered the tachi when in open battle, because it has a longer reach and a considerably better balanced than the uchigatana(katana) the samurai only started to prefer the uchigatana when storming castles or fierce street fighting where the tachi's length is ineffective and later in the edo period when the samurai were reduced to aristocrats than warriors after the imjin war joseon sent diplomats to the tokugawa shogunate because hideyoshi is dead and were shown the methods of japanese swordsmithing thus the hwando became longer and thinner adopting japanese methods, the later hwando of the joseon kingdom aren't copies of japanese swords but rather they are hwandos improved with japanese methods. meaning they are a hybrid of both japanese and korean swordsmithing
linguistically speaking, in Korean the word for a knife and a saber (sword) can be used interchangeably. This is because Korean borrows the Chinese word for knife/saber "刀"
Very few East Asian languages(if any at all) bother to make use of many different words for variations of something and instead, the usage of the word or term is situational to the context of how it's being used and what for, so it doesn't always translate well to English, which tends to have different words for every form of something.
Itd be interesting to see a sparring match between an amazing Korean swordsman armed with Hwando and an equally as amazing Japanese swordsman armed classically with the Katana. Id see it in the context of HEMA and likely the swords have been blunted
That Korean one looks more like tachi than katana, and tachi was also carried other way around, as for being archers so were the samurai, they were at first mounted archers, and katana wasn't a primary weapon till after the sengokujidai, when the wars stopped and samurai became bureaucrats. On some smaller details it might simply be fashion, someone wore a sword in a certain way or with something and other people saw it and wanted it and eventually it became standard. A lovely video I learned a lot, I've always been interested in comparison between Korean and Japanese swords, it be neat if there was a Chinese one as well.
@@lolasdm6959 that's what I meant it was a primary weapon when no other was needed or available, though samurai carried always wakizashi and sometimes smaller blades. But in war it was always a spear, a bow, naginata, matchlock gun etc
@@Kuziming Я имел в виду именно тот, который похож на катану, я не имел в виду Цзянь, Дао или кого-то другого. Извините, если это странно, я использую Google Translate
That's because the type of sword he's showing here is a long sword called the "Wungeom" (or ungum), which were swords that were given to the king's body guards. They were also heavily decorated compared to the ones they'd give out in the military itself. The typical sidearm for Joseon were shorter Hwando that were somewhere between the size of a wakazashi and katana.
There might have been "Korean" swords made in Korea up until 17th century. After that, almost all blades on korean swords were made in Japan and imported to Korea. Sword smiths nowadays, they just focused on outside other than blades. It stayed that way until new millenia 2000. Social status of Korean craftsmen back then were little better than slaves. They were vanished completely. Those who claim they have a knowledge after several hundreds of years are doubtful, considering they keep exaggerating by showing off Damascus forging on youtube saying that it was traditional. I can only assume their secondary gains are motive for all this.
Actually that is incorrect. The Koreans had military depots that produced swords in much the same way as the Japanese had military depots where smiths produced Japanese military swords. The Korean sword architecture was reordered to reflect the individual weapon after the fashion of Japanese sword and swordsmanship during the occupation.The original swordwork of Korea (see: GUEM BEOP) was expanded to include Japanese swordwork taught to Korean officer candidates in Manchuria, taught to Korean police in Korea and taught to Kendo players among the civilians. The SIPPALKI folks (see: Kim) continue to examine and practice the original swordsmanship with the single best informed being CHOI out of thed Netherlands. FWIW.
15세기 초에 이미 조선의 장인이 일본에서 일본도 만드는 법을 배워와서 세종대왕에게 카타나를 만들어 바침 임진왜란 일어나기 전에도 조선의 장교들은 일본 카타나를 구입해서 사용하고 있었음 일본도 가 날카롭다고 한 기록은 많으나 뭐 그렇게 대단하게 생각하지는 않음 조선초기 군대의 구성은 기병이 4 보병이 6 정도 였는데 기병은 활을 주로 사용했기 때문에 긴 칼은 걸리적 거렸음 조선의 장교들은 일본도를 사서 짧게 개조 하거나 조선식으로 개조 했는데 그런 유물들이 좀 남아 있음 장인들의 사회적 지위가 노예 나 다름없다는 것은 잘못된 말임 조선에서는 화약이나 무기 만드는 장인들은 국가에서 고용한 공무원 들이었음
Could we get a history of your uniform? Specifically for me i would like to learn more about the hat. Materials used, what each part stands for, etc. Thank you
I see numerous toxic comments saying Korea copied this and that from other countries. Did your nation invent gun, internet, vehicle, medicine, satellite? It is just silly to compare your culture with other and say you are the best. No, every nations have their strengths. To say in your logic, since it is the Information Age, Korea is the best among 3 nation because we have leading tech in IT feild. Who uses SHAOMI or SONY? Only chinese and Japanese does. I'd rather use SAMSUNG or APPLE, why would people use Shaomi or sony? Or I could say, is there any famous Chinese or Japanese soccer players better than Son in Europe leagues? Or groups more famous than BTS? Oh did BTS copied some china or japan songs? As you hate these kind of comments being proud of K-culture, I also hate them because they look silly and not cool. And I understand you guys because you might want to interact with people in this way which you cannot in reality, don't say shit in internet and plz live your life. And for the nice users, who learned about cultural relativism, have a nice day.
임진왜란 이전에도 일본도 만드는 법을 배워온 조선인 장인들이 있었음 조선에서 일본인들이 거주 하는 무역항이 3곳이 있었는데 읿본인 수천명에 정도 조선에 살았음 그들로 부터 조선의 장교들은 카타나 를 구입해서 개조해서 사용했음 그당시 카타나 를 예술품 날카로운 연마 정도가 조선인에게는 매력적 이었고 조선인들은 칼을 주무기로 사용하지도 않았음 뭐 일본 역시 칼보다 창을 주로 사용했지만 조선인들이 카타나를 주목한건 임진왜란 이후 이지 그전에는 그다지 깊게 생각 하지도 않았음
Chinese, Japanese and Korean shared the same blade shape, curved blades are excellent for horse back combat Just like in Southeast Asia, we filipinos shared the same blade shape to our neighboring countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand. If a bladed tool / weapon are effective we just simply make our own version. Best examples are the Bow & Arrows... It's so effective every civilization had one.
I think the other reason why they used curved blades is that most of the enemy they're fighting are lightly armored conscripts, much like what happened to Europe around the rise of gunpowder, many nations ditched the medieval full plate armor because the gun rendered it obsolete, hence the rise of popularity of curved blades as well (like sabres)
@@Kid-A2 they did, it's called the tachi, literally meaning great sword its used blade down handle forward, and was the primary sword of the samurai from the kamakura period all the way to the end of the sengoku period. the japanese preferred it over the katana because the samurai in the field were either mounted archers or shock cavalry. they acted like cataphracts when assigned as shock cavalry gripping their spear with both hands and when the shaft breaks or it gets knocked away they switch to the tachi
@@Kid-A2 what are you talking about? Are you another Korean ultranationalist just like all the other ones and their Japanese counterparts in this comment section? The Japanese have had a designated sword used on horseback called the tachi lol. Saying this as a Korean.
The use of the longer Katana-like sword was not adopted in Korea until after the end of the Korean Dynasty with the introduction of Japanese Military swordwork during the Japanese Occupation. The traditional Korean sword as described in the historic literature was a single-handed weapon with a blade between 24 to 28 inches long. The best example might be a modern Chinese Willow-Leaf blade albeit with a more blunted-tip and somewhat wide blade. Speaking only for myself, it is difficult see Korean Heritage misrepresented by an effort to merge Korean and Japanese tradition. It would be an honor to own a traditional Korean Do....if it were possible to find a source for one.
Korean sword pre imjin war period carrying slighlt curved sword similar to chinese design. Altho thwir sword is thnnier than chinese willow leave saber.
korea had a different use case as a result of being part of a larger infrastructure. Korea existed where there was more diversity in tools and materials availability, so much like having a gun erases the advantage of a slight variation in blade shape, in Korea, weapons did not need to be so highly refined because they would be trumped by a completely different weapon or embattlement, while in japan, the trump card was a slight refinement of the same weapon more often.
Recently, Korean swords that have been shown in TV dramas are actually copies of Japanese swords. Originally, Korean swords were straight and double-edged.
What you are talking about is the sword of Silla when Korea was in the Three Kingdoms period. In the first place, the curved sword of East Asia was passed from China to Korea and from Korea to Japan, and the katana was created by imitating the Korean hwando
For those insisting that every Korean cultures are from China and Japan, that belongs to all the three countries: China, Korea, and Japan. Since these 3 countries are located near enough to trade things, they share similar culture. However, they show difference when we closely compare them. You know, 'Kimchi' and 'Pao Chai' are different food but they look similar. And I saw a comment of 'Ita Shin' that Koreans copy everything from Japan, that is not true. Past Japan nations have learned many things from past Korea nation 'Baekje' such as craft, medicine, ironwork, music, constructions, and more. You can search 'Seven-Branched Sword' which king of Baekje conferred to Yamato ruler. If your logic is true, then Japan did fundamentelly copied things from Korea long time ago. We are not kids, we know that near countries interact each other and therefore, our culture improves. Korea, Japan, China are all good countries, and they share similar but unique cultures. To say 'who copied who?' is a childish behavior. History distortion of China and Japan remains today and false informations they make are spreading to the world. But as a Korean student, I respect culture of China and Japna, and I expect them to respect our cultures as well. China is growing into a great power day by day, Japan is performing well in the technology field, and Korea is showing amazing recognition in the IT field and K-pop. Some Koreans hate chinese and call them with bad nickname, some Koreans hate Japan due to history, but still many Koreans love China and Japan. I know many Japanese and Chinese love Korea too. So don't focus on this mean malicious commenter @Ita Shin and look for the beautiful side of the world.
From what I know, in ancient times, the cultural flow went from China to Korea and then from Korea to Japan. During the middle ages, Korea and Japan were both heavily influenced by China equally. In modern time, China and Korea have learned from Japan. At least this is what I know....
@@digiver Yeah, but the point of my comment was that difference still remained in what people see as same things, and that it does not mean China is superior than Japan and Korea...whatever. The reason Japan was advanced in modern time was because they traded with America earlier than the rest. Then, is America culture better than Japan culture because it influenced Japan? Also, recently Korea is having a leading position in IT feilds among three nations. Many outstanding Koreans are hired by Chinese enterprises but that doesn't mean Korea has the best culture. And Japan has leading company such as Doyota and their systems are getting attention from the world. But those aspects does not show the superiority of culture. This video is about the difference of JP sword and KR sword, but some comments are about superiority of 3 Asian culture.
@@digiver Just think about this. You posted a video about difference between Tank of China and Korea. But the comments are about Korea has better tanks compared to China and Korea culture is better than that of China. Yeah they share the same form of tank, but there are still differences. And what you said about the cultural flow is true. But do you know of China's countless copyright infringement cases? As we can see today, there are strengths each countries have, and this was same in the past. Of course there was no internet in the past so there were significant gap, but we can not just say 'Korea copy everything' that is very rude and silly considering the fact that they learned ironwork from Baekje and kidnapped many sword makers.
@@sll2o0-m1c alright. After war, there have been some cultural trades about the weapon and therefore Joseon sword came to resemble the Japan one. Then, does that mean Joseon copied every Japanese culture? Yeah you could say we copied your sword, but that does not lead to culture theif or whatever. Why are you guys so annoyed of swords which nobody use today? Silly Americans and Japanese so proud of Japanese samurai culture.
JD Korea, God bless you. :) 😀. A question, ¿Are the swords that appear in the 2002 film call "Die Another Day" from the British secret agent 007 James Bond are Japanese swords or Korean swords? Please answer me as soon as possible and thanks.
Once upon a time a Japanese Smith loved the design or look of Chinese and Korean blades, but was still not satisfied. The swords returned from battles shattered, bent, or cracked. So he made a prayed to imbue weapons with blessing or bless him with the knowledge to craft more durable swords? Was that the katana myth?
Katana is a great sword, and ther is no dought to it being one. But did u know it is just a replica of the korea Koreyo sword. The Katan after the portugese arriveal with stronger steeling is what katana is. Also the one bladed katana or the korea koryo sword is of this region (north east asia) china never had a one bladed sword. they only had the double edged solo held sword!
Yes your thinking of the smith Amakuni who made the first true Japanese swords before him their swords were based on Chinese and Korean designs (see Tsurugi and chokuto)
@@lolasdm6959 katana is replica of the korean Koryo periond sword that has been about a 1000 yrs befo Japan ever esisting. How do u not understand what i 1st wrote????
That curve swords like scimitar from the middle east , shashka from eastern europe and cutlass from america during early age of the sail like joseon navy.
@@thecoffeemaker7444 The Tang Dynasty lasted nearly 300 years with an area that covers a rather LARGE area of land with many different cultures in it. They had more than one kind of sword.
@@og0140 NO Bro what is Koreans with their fanfictions? First iron tools in East Asia were made in Qinghai and Gansu (Western China) in 3000 BCE. Iron working was introduced to Korea by only the 4th centry BCE. Korean nationalists are super damn cringe. Read a history book. First iron working in Asia was by the Hitties from modern day Turkey.
Basically what happened was that as long as the Japanese invaded and killed so much Korea, Koreans started trying to understand their equipment, hence these copies of katanas, the same thing happened with China.
What shape were the blades in Korea before the Japanese invasion? Which culture first developed a fencing system based on a curved shaped longsword? Japan or Korea? Isn't Korean Gumdo older than the Japanese Kenjutsu art? Thanks for sharing such interesting infirmations.
@@narusawa74 Korea spent years under Japanese occupation. This resulted in a fusion of the two cultures in Korea. Thus, most of the well-known Korean martial arts are a Korean version of Japanese arts. As an example of Taekwon-Do, hapkido etc. It turns out that Korea is in a movement of cultural appreciation, which implies denying this Japanese influence, and seeking in Korea's past the origin of these arts. But notice that in the history of Korean martial arts, the founders or great names were sent to Japan and exposed to Japanese martial arts, then returned to Korea and after the Japanese occupation founded their schools. In relation to Korea Gumdo it is the same thing, it is even more visible, that it is obviously just a Korean version of the Japanese fencing arts. A quick search and you'll see. The Japanese occupation of Korea aimed precisely at killing Korean culture. What ended up happening, was that they merged. Many things in Korea are legacies of this influence, which is still strong today. From music groups, through comics, to martial arts. The question that generates so much discussion is that with the growth of Korea, and therefore its pride, this Japanese influence is not well seen. Precisely because they don't like the fact that the best-known aspects of their culture are the result of Japanese domination, which caused so much death and pain for Korea.
yup; I think Korea is a little more open about the Japanese influence on them as oppose to china; the dao was created by the Chinese to counter the Katana; it took most of its features from the Japanese no dachi with it being very long; yet the Chinese insist they developed it before japan did; its something silly to be petty about; this is how arms improve if you see something that is working for your enemy, like the Koreans did and improved their swords, you do it. its now modern weapons are innovated today
@@narusawa74 gumdo is not older than kenjutsu; gumdo is actually derived from Japanese kendo and kenjustu is older than both; they just changed it to suit their needs and added some of their traditional korean sword stances; same way they developed tae kwan do, and hapkido. nothing with that; there have been many great karate champs in the work that were tae kwan do practioners
@@uwa285 lol ... i guess u dont know how much budget the south korean govt has spent for japanese media manipulation. south korean govt threw in a huge sum of money into this policy. just google it, u korean. nhk, tbs, ntv (nippon television),and others. these broadcast stations r "bribed", and promote the south korean circumstances that r quite different from the reality.
사실상 임진왜란 이후 조선이 왕실 차원에서 일본의 검 제작기술과 검술을 흡수하려고 했기에 실질적인 차이점은 없다고 봐도 무방함. 이 영상에 언급되는 차이점들도 근본적인 차이점은 없고. 애시당초 왜란 이전까지는 쌍수도의 개념의 약한데다 기병검조차 검 길이가 매우 짧았고 왜란 이후 실록에서도 조선 검술 자체가 실전된 것 때문에 일본에 조선군 장교를 보내서 검술 배워오라는 임금의 명이나 조선에 남은 일본 대장장이들에겐 검을, 일본군 무사들에게 검술을 가르치게 하라는 명까지 남아있으니.
the tachi was preferred by samurai until the edo period, the tachi is far longer than the hwando, the late era hwando is far closer to the "HANDACHI" or half-tachi which is essentially a slightly shorter tachi meant to be an in between of the uchigatana and the tachi , not the same as the kodachi which is "child-tachi" which is essentially a short sword and is more of a katana sized tachi sometimes a kodachi can be shorter than the uchigatana.
In Chinese perspective, this comment section is pretty funny. Japan and Korea both inherited Chinese culture and made it their own, but Japanese looking down on Korean is next level comedy. when Korea was already relatively small but highly cultured group of kingdoms, Japan was bunch a waste land with no one there. Then the yayoi people immigrated to Japan and started a society. in fact, the first Japanese emporer was a guy from koream peninsula😂
Japan kidnapped a lot of artisans from Korea. Swordmakers included. However that has been muddled in history. I would not be surprised if the DNA of renowned old Japanese swordmakers has Korean mixed in it. Japan had very few metal resources and had to import materials and know-how from outside Japan.
Lol, the invention of the Katana had nothing to do at all with Koreans, and if anything, like with all things Korean and Japanese, it was inspired by Chinese design, same goes for the entirety of Korean things and culture as well.
People forget that countries traded with each other for centuries. In fact, Ancient Japan fought on an Ancient Korean kingdom's behalf (more specifically: Baekje)
Let me guess....YOU'RE KOREAN 🙄 This guy is talking about catching up to weaponry that was crafted 100s of years ago but supposedly....KOREA INVENTED THEM FIRST hahaha gtfo heree
@@xinyiquan666 I could be more on point when I say even some of the technology China had was copied from an earlier civilization. Face it. We humans transmit our ideas into the future from the past. If you have a hard time getting it. How about you come out with info on those European looking mummies found in or near those pyramids in China?
Fact 1. Swordsmanship in the late Joseon Dynasty was influenced by Japan and China, and was particularly influenced by Japan. This exists as a historical fact and is written in the military swordsmanship book. However, this does not mean that there were no traditional Korean martial arts or military martial arts before that. Is there a country that does not have a national military swordsmanship book in the first place? It's the same thing. Fact 2. Katana is a Japanese sword and is different from the Hwan-do in the video. It is true that Japanese swords had an influence in the late Joseon Dynasty. This brought about changes in the knot on the handle, the size of the tsuba, and the length of the blade. However, the black Joseon in the video appears in the early Joseon Dynasty and can be found in many ancient books and paintings. In particular, the characteristics of hwan-do are as follows. 1.ddi-don The Joseon army's main weapon was the bow, which was designed to be able to be moved backwards because it was inconvenient to have a sword with the handle in front when shooting a bow. 2. Fish leather finish Stingray skin was considered the best quality, and it was usually finished by melting the swimbladder to create an adhesive. 3. Ring on the handle There is a ring at the end of the handle, and after the end of the Three Kingdoms period, it gradually became smaller from the early Joseon Dynasty to its current appearance. In fact, the ring of the sword in the video is very small, but it exists. And the streamlined blade was a Mongolian heritage, and it was a sword that had been used for a long time, whether in China or Korea. Nevertheless, one of the reasons why streamlined swords, a type of sword, did not appear often in China or Korea was that double-edged swords had a strong purpose in war. The single-edged sword (streamlined sword) was effective against ordinary soldiers and ordinary people who did not wear armor. However, streamlined swords were used for guard warriors and territory management soldiers. In fact, movies and dramas that follow historical research well show the use of double-edged swords in war and high-ranking officials using single-edged swords (streamlined swords) in the capital or castle. However, the war caused by Japan's invasion and Joseon's defeat in the late Joseon Dynasty changed Joseon's tactics and weapon system. In other words, the use of streamlined swords in war was copied from Japan. But it is nonsense to say that there was no sword of that type. To put it simply in the West, a streamlined sword was in the same position as a rapier, and a double-edged sword was in the same position as a two-handed sword. However, Japan used the rapier in the war, and it was a completely counter-intuitive idea. Of course, unlike the West at the time, the East was a war fought based on population, and it was impossible to equip all soldiers with high-quality armor, so this was a possible condition. For reference, all of this information can be found in the open “Annals of the Joseon Dynasty.” The book above is a very detailed and factual book that discusses everything from when the king of Joseon pooped and what it tastes like to history, politics, and the military. In fact, many officials died or went into exile while writing that book. Even the phrase “the king told me not to write it down” often appears. If you think this is false, my argument may be in jeopardy, but there are already many relics that can be measured from the era.
During the catastrophic Imjin War in 1592-97, thousands of Japanese swords, spears, bows, and matchlock muskets fell into Korean hands. It would seem common sense to equip Korean soldiers, militia, guerillas, and partisans with captured Japanese weapons but almost no historical documentation exists. The Koreans are a proud people and the widespread use of captured Japanese arms would be something they would be averse to openly admit. Historians are certain that the Japanese katana did in fact influence the creation of a Korean curved sword similar in appearance and design. After all, it has been common military practice throughout history for combatants to adopt superior enemy weapons or copy useful features of enemy weapons. Historical documentation records the approved importation of over 122,000 Japanese swords into Ming China around 1410 to roughly 1430. This does not include Japanese swords illegally exported or smuggled into Ming China. History includes that the Japanese swords were eagerly purchased by Ming Chinese army officers. Ming officers wore their swords like the Koreans, slung from the belt, not slipped through the belt as the Japanese. The only surprise is that no one can point to any existing Japanese sword artifact in China from that time period. The Chinese and Koreans did not revere their swords to the same near-spiritual devotion as the Japanese. Therefore lack of care and maintenance must be behind the reason no Japanese swords from four centuries ago can be found in China and Korea.
임진왜란 일어 나기전 100년도 이전에 조선 4대왕 세종대왕 때 일본도를 만드는법을 배워온 조선인이 있었음 그사람이 일본도를 세종대왕에게 바쳤는데 상을 내렸다는 기록이 있고 그이후에도 일본에서 일본도 만드는 법을 배워온 조선인 들이 있었음 조선의 직업군인 장교들은 반드시 북방 주르첸과의 국경지대에서 복무 하였는데 북방으로 가기전에 일본인 거주지 에서 조선의 장교들은 일본의 검을 사서 길이가 조선의 검보다 길어서 좀 잘라내고 짧게 사용했다는 기록들이 있음 조선남부 지방 3곳에서 일본인이 거주 하며 무역을 했음 그중 한곳에는 2500명 정도의 일본인이 거주했음 조선에서 일어난 일본인들의 반란에 5000명의 일본인들이 동원됌 조선에서 일본검을 구하고 만드는게 그리 어려운 일은 아니었고 그다지 높게 생각 하지도 않았음 임진왜란 이 터지자 카타나를 높게 평가함 임진왜란때 노획한 카타나를 청나라 사신들이 원했음 그래서 청나라 사신이 오면 선물로 줬음 그렇게 넘어간 카타나가 수백 자루가 넘음 조선의 검중에 날은 일본도 인게 좀 있음 전쟁전에 일본에서 카타나를 구입해서 전쟁때 사용한 조선 사람도 있었고 조선에도 카타나를 많이 사용했음
Nonsense! Why are you comparing old Korean swords with modern Japanese swords? The old Japanese swords for the battlefield were a lot more like this Korean sword.
korean nationalists, always trying to claim how they have some originality, true historians would realize that the king of joseon's records itself claim that joseon has completely followed ming dynasty tradition.
@@courtly5982 Japanese nationalists, the histories in which they copied other countries, erase from memory and despise the products of other countries.
No, I'm a Korean with somewhat nationalistic tendencies, but I won't kill you. I feel nothing because I have seen many crooked nationalist Japanese people like you who make absurd claims.😂
This is just embarrassing. Please stop with the nonsense about traditional Korean swords. Why is there kozuka and kogai-ana (the holes on the tsuba) in your "Korean" sword? And why would they be on an obvious but poor copy of a tachi? This is because your "Korean" sword is a nonsensical mix-match of tachi and uchigatana. If you like and admire Japanese swords and swordsmanship, just have the integrity and courage to say so instead of plagiarizing and then pretending that it was yours all along. This is seriously pathetic.
proof? i ask because i am genuinely curious. I know east asian countries are fiercely proud of their heritage and creations and always exaggerate or rewrite history to make themselves look better.
@patrickbchun look up kozuka and kogai (sword furniture on uchigatana), then tsuba-ana (the holes on tsuba on either side of the nakago-ana (the hole for the tang), which are usually flush with the fuchi (the collar fitting at the top of the tsuka/handle). The ONLY reason why those holes exist is to accomodate a kozuka or kogatana. There is no reason why they would be present on a tachi or any tachi-variant which were worn and used very differently.
The koreans did indeed most likely copy the style of the kattana in the late goryeo period when defeated japanese pirates (Wōkòu) would flea leaving their weapons behind. Going into Joseon the koreans adopted the style of the sword making a shorter version as a sidearm as they favoured the bow. It was known as the 환도 usually had a wider flat side of the blade and the actual sharpened side was thinner than the kattana. After the imjin war korea adopted the kattana again this time making a version that was of length and not short like the 환도. They literally called this the 진검 meaning true sword. With this blade they adopted holes in their guard unlike the 환도 had. It was used in their wars against the qing dynasty and the jurchen tribes up north. Now silence weeb, we've had enough of your ignorence to korean culture.
Koreans themselves talk about the inferiority of their blades when the invasion of Korea took place. They were no match for fine craftsman ship of the Japanese. Plus Koreans aren't warriors but they sure did their best and prevailed just like the U.S never won the Vietnamese. Goes to show what people will do when their hometown is the last thing to protect
Koreans excelled at archery. the craftsmanship of their bows was second to none as well as their skill in the craft of archery. Samurai and Ashigaru alike feared Korean archers during the Imjin war. I see it like this- China (Polearms), Korea (Archery), Japan (Swordsmanship), Vietnam (Creativity and Cunning)
Koreans superiority are their bows, those are fine craftmanship compared to inferior Japanese bows. That is the tool that are needed to beat Japanese in the imjin war.
Well, Japanese swords are made of sand iron, so they bent and broken easily. So the Samurai always carried two swords. We have a lot of related records.
@@necrodamus5481nah bow and spear are primary weapon for all of them. Samurai skill not decided by their skill in swordsmanship but with their skill in archery and horse. riding.
Japanese has it's indigenous tribes/people, just like korea. Koreans also mixed with chinese/mongolians/manchurians. The the jomon people in korea and japan. And long before that we all came from monkey and neanderthals lol. People need to live in peace.
In the first place, the curved sword of East Asia was passed from China to Korea and from Korea to Japan, and the katana was created by imitating the Korean hwando. Japanese people need to study more history LMAO
ー조선의 무기 : 왜검(倭劒)과 왜장창(倭長槍)"ー 조선에는 조선의 무기 뿐만 아니라 일본과 중국에서 전래된 무기가 아주 많이 있었습니다. 현재는 일본도(日本刀)라고 불리는 왜검(倭劒)도 전래된 무기 중의 하나였습니다. 조선시대에 이르러서는 왜인들이 왜검을 진상하기도 했으며, 왜인이 조선인으로 귀화하여 조 선에서 왜검을 제작하거나, 조선인이 왜국에서 왜검제작방법을 배워오기도 했습니다. 허나 일본에 조총이 도입되기 이전까지는 조선이 원거리에서 왜구를 제압하는 것이가능했습니다. 그래서 단병기는 찬밥신세를 면하지 못했고, 왜검도 피해갈 수는 없었습니다. 임진왜란이 발생하고, 왜군은 조총사격으로 조선군을 놀라게 합니다. 그리고 창과 칼을 들고 돌 격하여 조선군은 싸울 때마다 패배하게 됩니다. 이때부터 조선의 조정에서는 일본으로부터 도검 제작기술과 검술을 익히기 위해 노력하게 됩니다. 그러나 임진왜란이 끝나고도 조선군은 길이가 짧은 환도와 같은 칼을 선호했습니다. 조선의 환도에 비해 길이가 길었던 왜검은 당연히 병사들이 좋아하지 않았습니다. 하지만 후기조선의 환도에는 일본도가 많은 영향을 주었습니다.
no shit moron its common sense, they are next to each other. Also China, Japan, and Korea do have alot of similarities. Imagine if they compared it to Phillipines or something. It would be so different, use ur common sense on why they used Japan
Like Americans compare to UK or Canada, Spain and Mexico, India and China. It's not uncommon for the world to compare themselves to their closest counterparts
@@noblesseraziel9499You are right that there are similarities between Japan and Korea, however, Korea lacked a sword culture as well as other cultural ICON that you find in Japan. This is why I take with a grain of salt videos like this. You can never take it for granted when someone asserts anything cultural about Korea unless you a research yourself.
Japan also makes many comparisons with Korea. That's because Korea and Japan have many similarities. So It's good to explain their unique characteristics for people who can't tell the difference.
Chinese swords and Korean swords developed independently because they were always at war. Japanese swords actually were influenced by Baekje, which was one of three Korean Kingdoms
@@somethingiswrong8975 lmao they were not developed independently my friend. Korean weapons mostly copied from China and even remained the Chinese pronunciation, for example jangchang or changqiang in Chinese for long spear, dangpa or dangpa for that wired looking polearm, gung etc. If you look at the Joseon Dynasty military books you’ll see it’s it’s pretty much copied from the Ming dynasty
@@somethingiswrong8975 【조선의 무기 : 왜검(倭劒)과 왜장창(倭長槍)】 조선에는 많은 무기가 있었습니다. 물론 모든 무기가 조선에서 나온 무기는 아니였습니다. 조선에는 조선의 무기 뿐만 아니라 일본과 중국에서 전래된 무기가 아주 많이 있었습니다. 현재는 일본도(日本刀)라고 불리는 왜검(倭劒)도 전래된 무기 중의 하나였습니다. (한국인들의 조상들이 왜검이라 불렀던 일본도는 고려시대부터 수입했던 무기입니다.) 조선시대에 이르러서는 왜인들이 왜검을 진상하기도 했으며, 왜인이 조선인으로 귀화하여 조선에서 왜검을 제작하거나, 조선인이 왜국에서 왜검제작방법을 배워오기도 했습니다. 허나 일본에 조총이 도입되기 이전까지는 조선이 원거리에서 왜구를 제압하는 것이 가능했습니다. 그래서 단병기는 찬밥신세를 면하지 못했고, 왜검도 피해갈 수는 없었습니다. 임진왜란이 발생하고, 왜군은 조총사격으로 조선군을 놀라게 합니다. 그리고 창과 칼을 들고 돌격하여 조선군은 싸울 때마다 패배하게 됩니다. 이때부터 조선의 조정에서는 일본으로부터 도검 제작기술과 검술을 익히기 위해 노력하게 됩니다. 그러나 임진왜란이 끝나고도 조선군은 길이가 짧은 환도와 같은 칼을 선호했습니다. 조선의 환도에 비해 길이가 길었던 왜검은 당연히 병사들이 좋아하지 않았습니다. 하지만 후기조선의 환도에는 일본도가 많은 영향을 주었습니다.
No, both Korean and Chinese swords were influenced by nomads from West and Central Asia. So Korean and Chinese swords were similar. China is not the origin.
Also, Korea's curved swords were influenced by the Mongol Empire. But China used Mongolia's curved swords as is. Then, the Ming Dynasty copied Japanese swords.
@맞장구 짱구2002년 환두대도 다큐는 지금으로 보면 완전히 뒤엎어야 하는 내용들이고, 2008년 다큐에서도 우리가 일본보다 근접기술이나 검술이 앞서있엇다는 내용은 없었음. 신라구 내용은 신라의 호족들이나 왕명을 받고 움직인 사략해적들이 일본의 규슈와 쓰시마 지방 정부의 민간인들을 약탈한 역사임. 자랑스럽게 말할 내용은 아님.
@맞장구 짱구 다 뒤엎어졌던 이유가 당시 다큐에서 주장했던 내용들이 당시 부족한 사료를 바탕으로 추측한거니까 당연히 다 뒤엎어졌지. 일본이 한반도로부터 전술과 무술을 전수받았다는 기록이 전무한 것부터 "백제 환두대도가 일본에서 발굴되었다"이거 하나 외에는 환두대도가 가서 일본도가 됐다는 흐름을 주장하는 유물도 없고 백제의 검술도 남아있는 사료가 아예 없는데 그 상태로 다큐에서 "일본에서 환두대도가 발굴되었다" 이거 하나로 일본도의 기원이 다큐 내용 자체도 환두대도가 아닐까 확정도 아니고 '추측'했을 뿐임. 현재는 한국 사학계도 7세기 도호쿠 지방의 타치로 본다고. 애초에 직선상의 검의 형태인 환두대도와(그 이전시대 백제와 고구려의 환두대도조차도 직선형태의 검이다) 곡선의 도인 일본도는 그 병기로 펼칠 수 잇는 무술의 태부터 다르다. 그리고 그 곡선의 유래가 되는 7세기 도호쿠의 부드러운 곡선의 쌍수도 형태인 타치에서 일본도가 나왔다는 사료와 유물은 충분히 발견되었고. 그리고 신라구가 그냥 깡패? 신라구의 활동 주도한 세력이 당시 신라의 고위 귀족들의 사병 중심인건 알고 하는 소리냐? 왕명을 받고 노략질한 기록까지 남아있어서 학계에서도 사실상 신라의 사략해적으로 보고 있는데 단순한 한반도의 깡패조직? 깡패가 왕이나 지방 호족들의 명령을 받고 움직이는거 봤냐?
@맞장구 짱구 그놈의 9세기 환두대도 기원설이 나중에 까인게 환두대도가 일본에 들어왔을 때 쌍수검술이 아닌 한손검으로 방패와 같이 쓰였던 기록까지 발견된 것 때문에 형태도 형태지만 일본도의 기원은 그보다 이전의 도호쿠 지방의 쌍수도인 타치로 보는거고. 참고로 환두대도 기원설이랑 같이 나온게 당대도 설까지 있는데 당대도 기원설도 폐기됐다. 심지어 당대도 기원설은 똑같은 쌍수도에 형태라도 일본도랑 더 비슷하지. 게다가 잠깐만 생각해보면 일본에 환두대도가 들어왔을 때 설마 일본에 무술이나 도나 검술이 아예 없었겠냐? 전국시대 이전 헤이안 시대 포함 그전에도 지들끼리 계속 개판으로 내전하던 나라였는데. 현재는 네가 좋아하는 그 고고학적 유물들이 존나게 발굴돼서 현재는 한국 사학계도 일본도의 유래를 7세기 도호쿠 지방의 에미시들의 도인 타치를 일본도의 전신으로 본다고. (심지어 그 에미시들의 타치도 내전중에 발달한 무기다.) 그리고 신라구를 한반도의 깡패조직이라고 보고 단순 깡패들이 일본 규슈 영주들보다 강했다고 국뽕하는게 어이없네. 당시 신라 전체 인구와 신라 해군 병력을 찾아봐라. 애초에 지방 호족들의 사병들 중심이었지만 걔들이 진짜 단순 깡패조직이었으면 왕명까지 받았던 흔적은 왜 있겠고, 당시 인구도 적던 그 시절에 한번 움직이는데 최대 100척의 군함과 2500여명의 병력을 기동하는게 가능했겠냐? 괜히 사학자들이 병신이라서 학계에서 사실상 신라의 사략해적으로 보는 게 아니라니까.
@맞장구 짱구 아오ㅋㅋ 다큐도 제목만 던져놓고 구라치다 걸리더니 레퍼런스를 논문 이름이라도 박던가 아까는 구닥다리 국뽕 다큐에 이번엔 아아키도 민간 무술 서적 하나 달랑 가져와서 이게 근거다 이러고 있으니까 너한테 존나 설명을 해도 네 말엔 근거가 하나도 없어?ㅋㅋ 너 다큐도 제목 하나 달랑 던져놓고 내가 확인한 내용이랑 달랐던 것처럼 저 민간 무술 서적도 그렇게 구라치는 용도가 아니고? 환두대도와 별개로 타치가 존재해왔다는 사료는 계속 있고 서구에서도 형태 때문에 차라리 환두대도보다 당태도 기원설을 타치에 가깝게 본다고. 지금 국내 자료 뒤져봐도 타치에 발전 과정에 환두대도가 영향을 끼쳤을 수는 있다 정도로만 나오는데 혼자 자꾸 다큐나 책 제목 하나 던져놓고 또 구라를 까려고 함?
@맞장구 짱구 "한반도에는 일본도가 들어오기 전에 이미 환도 라는 고려의 검이 존재 했고 일본에서 중국을 통해서 들어온 제독검과 임진왜란떄 직접 들어온 왜검이 따로 존제 했다고 에 나온다. " 당당하게 말해서 존나 터졌네ㅋㅋ무예보통지에 실린 제독검과 왜검(토유류, 운광류, 천유류, 유피류)은 검술을 말하는 거지 검의 명칭인 병기의 이름이 아니다ㅋㅋ 이여송 제독이 주고 갔다는 칼은 아직까지도 별도의 이름이 없고 무예도보통지에서는 이여송 제독의 검술이 낙상지에 의해 전수되었다고 해서 제독검이라 칭하는거다ㅋㅋ 지금 이런 것도 모르는 애랑 대화하고 있었다고?ㅋㅋ 덤으로 환도라는 건 한반도에서 사용하던 모든 검을 통칭하던 말이었고 무예도보통지는 당시 기준으로도 틀린게 존나 많던 책이었는데 옛날 기준에 지금과 같은 자료 조사가 가능했겠냐? 조선 무술일 거라고 실어넣은 것도 근거가 확실하지 않아서 무예도보통지에서는 조선의 무술일 '것이다'라고 써놓은 부분도 여럿인데ㅋㅋ 심지어 당시에도 제독검의 출처가 명확하지 않아서 출처를 흐린 검술이다. 그리고 일본도 자체는 임진왜란 이전에도 한반도로 계속 흘러들어왔고 세종대왕이 만든 사람에게 상을 주거나 선물로도 거래된 기록 존나 많으니 빠져나갈 생각일랑 말고요. 그리고 신라구에 대해서는 네가 한반도 단순 깡패라고 했던 부분이 날구라라고 지적했더니 왜 앵무새처럼 같은 말만 반복함? 단순 깡패가 왕이나 지방 호족들의 명령을 받고 움직이는거 봤냐니까? 너 설마 위에 사략해적이라고 설명해줬더니 사략해적이 진짜 단순 해적인 줄 알고 또 이거 쓴건 아니지? 존나 제독검과 왜검을 무기의 이름인 줄 알고 자신감있게 쓴 것부터 불안불안하긴 한데 어디 더 떠들어봐ㅋㅋ 이번엔 뭔 제목만 달랑 가져와서 구라칠지 존나 기대되네ㅋㅋ
oh watch out! here comes china claiming they invented the world. lol. pathetic nationalism and communist propaganda. Nothing you say has any merit because youve been brain washed by your government to think you guys are the best at everything.
I prefer Arab curved or two eye sword. The same sword that the Arab used to dismantle Roman and Persian empire. It is well tested up to this day if you watch the beheading of criminal in Saudi Arabia. It cuts thru the neck in 1 single blow like neck is made of a soft bamboo. In the end spectators are served with horor scene of flying head rolling down toward them. D@mn man thats a bad @s$ sword.
Arabs actually had straight swords. The curved swords were adopted from the Steppe peoples such as the Turks later on I've heard. Even in Al Andalus (Moorish Spain and Portugal), they favoured straight swords until later.
Japan's Katana is less durable. In fact, according to historical records, it was recorded that Japan sword was easily broken in the battle between the Korean sword and the Japanese sword. So the reason why samurai carry two to three katanas is because they are easy to break. Therefore, the perception that Korean swords are trash is proof that you do not have knowledge of that.
@@baconbro1753 A lot of immature/stupid people have bizarre fixations on the supposed "superiority" of certain nations over others including the quality of the products of their material culture. late Korean swords are basically the same as Japanese swords but with sometimes more robust hilt constructions and with different blade steels and grinds yet people insist on the Japanese swords being better because Japan has more "prestige" and cultural cache than Korea because it has a better PR campaign in the west. People will talk about Koreans "copying" the katana but fail to mention how the katana was an evolution of the Chinese Tang Dao.
It seems Korean want to be Japanese. . Every time They are comparing with Japan . Samurai sord is totally different. They cannot manufacture Japanese sord. Manufacturing methodology is one of Japanese Samurai sord .
Ita Shin Koreans diligently followed China, and copied anything they produced so eagerly in ancient times. In a word, they wanted to be like people of their suzerain, that is, China. In more recent years, Koreans have earnestly copied anything good produced in Japan. They are eager to take the place of Japan by all means. Therefore, they will desperately insist on "the origin" of anything of Japan that have become world-famous even though there is not even a semblance of proof.
중국의 속국이었던 조선의 무기는 중국의 물건이며 단궁, 직도이다. 에도시대에 도쿠가와 장군에게 축하를 위해 보내진 조선의 사절단이 장군으로부터 기념품으로 받은 일본도이다. 이것은 조선국에서 매우 귀중한 무기로 구부러지지 않고 부러지지 않고 끊어지는 무기는 없었기 때문에 일본도 같은 물건을 만들기로 했다. 그것이 이 동영상에 나오는 일본도 같은 물건(모조품) The weapons of Korea, which was a vassal state of China, were Chinese, such as short bows and straight swords. This is a Japanese sword that was given to the Tokugawa Shogun as a souvenir during the Edo period by a Korean delegation sent to celebrate with him. This was a very valuable weapon in Korea, and since there was no weapon that could cut without bending or breaking, they decided to make something similar to a Japanese sword. That is the Japanese sword-like thing that appears in this video (imitation)
헛소리 작작 하네 한국의 검은 몽골의 검에서 영향을 받아 휘어졌음 일본 카타나 만드는 법은 이미 조선세종때 배워온 조선장인 있었음 그리고 조선 초기 3곳의 일본인 무역 거류 항구가 있었는데 한곳은 일본인 2500명이 거주 하며 살았음 그런데 조선이 일본의 카타나를 몰랐겠나 조선의 장교들도 일본 카타나를 임진왜란 100년 이전 부터 사용하고 있었음 그리고 일본의 철은 상당히 불순물이 많아 잘부러 졌음 조선이나 중국은 철광석이 순도가 높아 일본처럼 제련 하지 않아도 되었음 임진왜란중에 조선칼과 일본도 가 충돌했는데 일본도가 부러졌다는 기록이 많음 일본도의 강점은 길이와 날카로운 연마 이지 칼자체의 내구성은 뛰어나지 않았음
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China Japan and Korea all have very similar swords, just like German Italy French long swords all look pretty similar
Back then, swords were just objects used for battle. Very expensive objects at that. So if something in one country was proven to work, then they're probably going to start using that in other countries, because you want the best military technology you can have. An example of this is the brigandine. You can see it basically from Europe to Asia, and it was used in Korea too, called the du jeong gap 두정갑. Basically the same with the swords
Same with Southeast Asia, they all had similar sword styles except during the 1500s the european, chinese, and japanese came to trade and brought items with them which change the weaponry scene.
Yes, weapons tend mutually evolve
China seems to be the only country with a wild variety of swords included my favorite one Dao Blade
But gorkha,s khukuri is very different.its some are long and some are short
He's dressed like a company-grade Korean army officer in the 16th century, equivalent to a lieutenant or captain.
I’m glad someone finally decided to make a video on this I’ve always had trouble finding any info on Korean arms and armor
I prefer Japanese sword since the handle is thicker.
It will have more grip.
He didn't explain how Korean sword balance differently from Japanese sword.
Korean sword is meant for personal defence, and also a cavalry weapon. Katana is a weapon of offensive. Diff method and usage.
@user-oy8gj9jb3c it is the same. Personal defense and cavalry weapon are 2 different ends. What is in between then?
Katana is also personal defense and secondary weapon for war.
i like how the Joseon swords started to adapt the practical Japanese aesthetics; they saw something that works and they incorporated it just like in modern combat
Japan copied Joseon, not the other way aroound
@@kenadrian27 lol cope
Not even gonna make a comment on the blades themselves. Just here to say that the English subtitle is soooo poorly translated that the whole thing feels so hard to chew. Even when just talking about the Japanese blade, i can already hear 'mekugi' & 'shirasaya', yet none of that's mentioned in the subtitle, & instead, shit like 'moon knife' is seen. That alone is enough to tell just how much details are lost in this unless you actually speak Korean.
This English translation is pretty bad. Are you just using google translate for everything?
Seems like they might have just directly translated the Korean subtitles into English.
옳으신 말씀입니다. 🎉🎉🎉 다만 한국의 webtoon(웹툰)은 2000년대 이전부터 만화에 열망을 둔 아마추어 작가들이 작은 화실에 모여 발전시켜나가 탄생한 역사를 가지고 있습니다. 그리고 일본의 만화시장 체계와 엄연히 차이점을 두고있습니다. 최근엔 일본에서도 출판만화시장이 한국의 웹툰형식으로 바뀌어 가고있습니다. 요즘 일본과 중국이 한국을 따라하기 바쁩니다. (중국은 전세계를 상대로 상표와 디자인 그리고 프로그램을 표절한다. 스파이를 심어서 기술도 훔쳐간다.)그리고 옛날엔 한국의 음악과 과자가 일본을 모방하는일이 있었으나 일본은 서양의 과자와 음악 그리고 자동차와 캐릭터를 모방해왔다는것을 알아야합니다 ㅋㅋ 일본인들은 자국의 부끄러운 일이나 불리한 진실을 암묵적으로 숨기는 경향이 강하다. 몇백년전에는 한국의 도자기와 청자의 그림을 카피한일도 있었다. 😂😂 그리고 중국인들은 E-sport의 유래가 자신들이 종주국이라고 생각합니다. 유럽과 미국에서 시작해 한국을 거쳐 대중화 되었다는 것을 전혀 모릅니다.😂😂
The part where he said about how they wear it, he's using an Edo period Katana. In fact, the war time Tachi has very similar mounting to the Korean scabbard, since the Japanese of that time was also mounted archers as well. So i don't think this is a valid comparison
While that's true, I think his main point was about the ability to turn the sword handle-backward for archery
It just depends on what you're talking about. He's holding a katana so he talks about how katana were used. Although, in the time period that Koreans are most interested in (Japanese invasions 1592), it seems like even katana were often worn edge down, as that was a later change, so that's a detail he skipped over or just doesn't know because he's Korean and not Japanese. Katana are also the most iconic Japanese sword so you kind of have to expect that people are going to talk about it the most. When it comes to wearing the sword backwards, that wasn't unique to Korea, it was done by pretty much any civilization with horse archers, so you have a point there, but he was talking mostly about the ddidon, the little belt mounting device that allowed them to turn the sword back when they needed it. I don't know if other countries had this, I know that the Mongols had a technique for drawing behind the back, but I'm not sure if that was the only way they drew the sword or if they just did that only when necessary. I think that it's perfectly possible for someone wearing the sword backwards to draw it without a ddidon so I can see it just being a Korean thing.
But in any case, it's not an unvalid comparison, it just depends on what you're talking about
@@jerickcristobal-orola9411 morron detected
The Hwandu Daedo, which was mainly used on the Korean Peninsula, became similar to the Hwando over time, such as having a smaller blade or the Hwandu on the handle disappearing, but the blade was still straight and straight. In fact, the swords of the Goryeo army described in the Mongolian Invasion Company and the Goryeo swords discovered in Cheoinseong were all straight blades, which were different from the curved swords. The first time the name ‘Hwando (환도)’ appears in records is in 1273, during the reign of King Chungnyeol of the Goryeo Dynasty. Considering this, it is presumed that when Goryeo came into contact with the Yuan Dynasty, the curved sword style that was popular among nomadic peoples at the time was influenced and the bending of the blade was added to create the Hwando. Therefore, it is presumed that the curved sword, Hwando, became the main sword from the end of the Goryeo Dynasty.
there's also the tachi which is longer and older than both the hwando and the uchigatana, its worn blade down and handle forward and straped to the waists, much like the hwando its worn because during the kamakura period (11th century) the samurai mainly fought with bows and only resorted to using their swords when they run out of arrows. they would ride forward using their momentum to add power to their sword swings.
during the sengoku jidai even after the samurai transitioned from mounted archers to shock cavalry. the samurai both on the ground and on horse still prefered the tachi when in open battle, because it has a longer reach and a considerably better balanced than the uchigatana(katana) the samurai only started to prefer the uchigatana when storming castles or fierce street fighting where the tachi's length is ineffective and later in the edo period when the samurai were reduced to aristocrats than warriors
after the imjin war joseon sent diplomats to the tokugawa shogunate because hideyoshi is dead and were shown the methods of japanese swordsmithing thus the hwando became longer and thinner adopting japanese methods, the later hwando of the joseon kingdom aren't copies of japanese swords but rather they are hwandos improved with japanese methods. meaning they are a hybrid of both japanese and korean swordsmithing
The subtitles are a little weird, the translations seem to be using knife and sword interchangeably. 🤔
linguistically speaking, in Korean the word for a knife and a saber (sword) can be used interchangeably. This is because Korean borrows the Chinese word for knife/saber "刀"
It's the same word in Korean.
@@patrickcha9885 ik now from the other Response
Very few East Asian languages(if any at all) bother to make use of many different words for variations of something and instead, the usage of the word or term is situational to the context of how it's being used and what for, so it doesn't always translate well to English, which tends to have different words for every form of something.
@@Itsallsotiresome very interesting response, I thought that there was a difference between 剑 and 刀 I guess I was wrong "칼" really is all in one
Itd be interesting to see a sparring match between an amazing Korean swordsman armed with Hwando and an equally as amazing Japanese swordsman armed classically with the Katana. Id see it in the context of HEMA and likely the swords have been blunted
That Korean one looks more like tachi than katana, and tachi was also carried other way around, as for being archers so were the samurai, they were at first mounted archers, and katana wasn't a primary weapon till after the sengokujidai, when the wars stopped and samurai became bureaucrats. On some smaller details it might simply be fashion, someone wore a sword in a certain way or with something and other people saw it and wanted it and eventually it became standard. A lovely video I learned a lot, I've always been interested in comparison between Korean and Japanese swords, it be neat if there was a Chinese one as well.
Katana was never a primary weapon, just because you carry a pistol for home defense, it's still a side arm.
@@lolasdm6959 that's what I meant it was a primary weapon when no other was needed or available, though samurai carried always wakizashi and sometimes smaller blades. But in war it was always a spear, a bow, naginata, matchlock gun etc
"китайский меч" это множество непохожих видов оружия. Нет одного типа китайских мечей/сабель. 中国之剑就是很多各种各样的武器类。没有一型中国剑/刀。
@@Kuziming Я имел в виду именно тот, который похож на катану, я не имел в виду Цзянь, Дао или кого-то другого. Извините, если это странно, я использую Google Translate
That's because the type of sword he's showing here is a long sword called the "Wungeom" (or ungum), which were swords that were given to the king's body guards. They were also heavily decorated compared to the ones they'd give out in the military itself. The typical sidearm for Joseon were shorter Hwando that were somewhere between the size of a wakazashi and katana.
God!!! The comment section is full of comment war about who's copying who? 😁😂
Don't stop guys its fun to read.
lol 😀
There might have been "Korean" swords made in Korea up until 17th century. After that, almost all blades on korean swords were made in Japan and imported to Korea.
Sword smiths nowadays, they just focused on outside other than blades. It stayed that way until new millenia 2000. Social status of Korean craftsmen back then were little better than slaves. They were vanished completely. Those who claim they have a knowledge after several hundreds of years are doubtful, considering they keep exaggerating by showing off Damascus forging on youtube saying that it was traditional. I can only assume their secondary gains are motive for all this.
Actually that is incorrect. The Koreans had military depots that produced
swords in much the same way as the Japanese had military depots where smiths produced Japanese military swords. The Korean sword architecture was reordered to reflect the individual weapon after the fashion of Japanese sword and swordsmanship during the occupation.The original swordwork of Korea (see: GUEM BEOP) was
expanded to include Japanese swordwork taught to Korean officer candidates in Manchuria, taught to Korean police in Korea and taught to Kendo players among the civilians. The SIPPALKI folks (see: Kim) continue to examine and practice the original swordsmanship with the single best informed being CHOI out of thed Netherlands. FWIW.
15세기 초에 이미 조선의 장인이 일본에서 일본도 만드는 법을 배워와서 세종대왕에게 카타나를 만들어 바침
임진왜란 일어나기 전에도 조선의 장교들은 일본 카타나를 구입해서 사용하고 있었음
일본도 가 날카롭다고 한 기록은 많으나 뭐 그렇게 대단하게 생각하지는 않음 조선초기 군대의 구성은 기병이 4 보병이 6 정도 였는데
기병은 활을 주로 사용했기 때문에 긴 칼은 걸리적 거렸음 조선의 장교들은 일본도를 사서 짧게 개조 하거나 조선식으로 개조 했는데 그런 유물들이 좀 남아 있음
장인들의 사회적 지위가 노예 나 다름없다는 것은 잘못된 말임 조선에서는 화약이나 무기 만드는 장인들은 국가에서 고용한 공무원 들이었음
Could we get a history of your uniform? Specifically for me i would like to learn more about the hat. Materials used, what each part stands for, etc. Thank you
I hope they make a vid about bows too!
I see numerous toxic comments saying Korea copied this and that from other countries. Did your nation invent gun, internet, vehicle, medicine, satellite? It is just silly to compare your culture with other and say you are the best. No, every nations have their strengths. To say in your logic, since it is the Information Age, Korea is the best among 3 nation because we have leading tech in IT feild. Who uses SHAOMI or SONY? Only chinese and Japanese does. I'd rather use SAMSUNG or APPLE, why would people use Shaomi or sony?
Or I could say, is there any famous Chinese or Japanese soccer players better than Son in Europe leagues? Or groups more famous than BTS? Oh did BTS copied some china or japan songs?
As you hate these kind of comments being proud of K-culture, I also hate them because they look silly and not cool. And I understand you guys because you might want to interact with people in this way which you cannot in reality, don't say shit in internet and plz live your life.
And for the nice users, who learned about cultural relativism, have a nice day.
I get what you mean, but only South Korea copies everything without permission and claims its origin.
@@j-type2112 can you give me the examples?
GDP13位の小国とG3の世界強国を比べるな。ソウルなんて東京に比べたら田舎だろ。分を弁えろ痴れ者が。
@@j-type2112 can you give me the examples?
@@user-id5kk6kf4m茶道、忍者、華道、盆栽、和歌、折り紙、歌舞伎、花札、寿司、みそ、納豆、しゃぶしゃぶ、和牛、神社など、桜（ソメイヨシノ）、秋田犬、柔道、空手、日本刀など
임진왜란 이전에도 일본도 만드는 법을 배워온 조선인 장인들이 있었음
조선에서 일본인들이 거주 하는 무역항이 3곳이 있었는데 읿본인 수천명에 정도 조선에 살았음
그들로 부터 조선의 장교들은 카타나 를 구입해서 개조해서 사용했음
그당시 카타나 를 예술품 날카로운 연마 정도가 조선인에게는 매력적 이었고 조선인들은 칼을 주무기로 사용하지도 않았음
뭐 일본 역시 칼보다 창을 주로 사용했지만 조선인들이 카타나를 주목한건 임진왜란 이후 이지 그전에는 그다지 깊게 생각 하지도 않았음
맞아요
Chinese, Japanese and Korean shared the same blade shape, curved blades are excellent for horse back combat
Just like in Southeast Asia, we filipinos shared the same blade shape to our neighboring countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand.
If a bladed tool / weapon are effective we just simply make our own version.
Best examples are the Bow & Arrows... It's so effective every civilization had one.
Too bad japanese didn't use swords on horse back.
I think the other reason why they used curved blades is that most of the enemy they're fighting are lightly armored conscripts, much like what happened to Europe around the rise of gunpowder, many nations ditched the medieval full plate armor because the gun rendered it obsolete, hence the rise of popularity of curved blades as well (like sabres)
@@Kid-A2 they did, it's called the tachi, literally meaning great sword its used blade down handle forward, and was the primary sword of the samurai from the kamakura period all the way to the end of the sengoku period. the japanese preferred it over the katana because the samurai in the field were either mounted archers or shock cavalry. they acted like cataphracts when assigned as shock cavalry gripping their spear with both hands and when the shaft breaks or it gets knocked away they switch to the tachi
@@Kid-A2 what are you talking about? Are you another Korean ultranationalist just like all the other ones and their Japanese counterparts in this comment section? The Japanese have had a designated sword used on horseback called the tachi lol. Saying this as a Korean.
It looks like a Tachi sword (太刀)
I have always been opposed to the edge-down orientation of sword wear, but that toggle for ease of use with archery is pretty clever.
The use of the longer Katana-like sword was not adopted in Korea until
after the end of the Korean Dynasty with the introduction of Japanese Military swordwork during the Japanese Occupation. The traditional Korean sword as described in the historic literature was a single-handed weapon with a blade between 24 to 28 inches long. The best example might be a modern Chinese Willow-Leaf blade albeit with a more blunted-tip and somewhat wide blade. Speaking only for myself, it is difficult see Korean Heritage misrepresented by an effort to merge Korean and Japanese tradition. It would be an honor to own a traditional Korean Do....if it were possible to find a source for one.
Korean sword pre imjin war period carrying slighlt curved sword similar to chinese design. Altho thwir sword is thnnier than chinese willow leave saber.
So basically Japanese swords are better but Korean swords spin around to increase archery skill and do electric damage since they have stingray skin
korea had a different use case as a result of being part of a larger infrastructure. Korea existed where there was more diversity in tools and materials availability, so much like having a gun erases the advantage of a slight variation in blade shape, in Korea, weapons did not need to be so highly refined because they would be trumped by a completely different weapon or embattlement, while in japan, the trump card was a slight refinement of the same weapon more often.
Get out of here you smelly little weeb
Love the militarily costume I wonder what period its from so I can go to the library and learn more.
Joseon.
めちゃくちゃな理論だよな。もはや歴史もファンタジー
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한국의 어느 대학생이 한국을 비하하는 댓글들의 아이피를 조사해봤는데 모두 외국인을 사칭하는 일본인들이였다.
Yes, they're also known as 'Weaboos' 😂
Love korea and korean history
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私は日本人でそのような日本人がいることを初めて知りましたが、韓国人が日本人に扮してアリアナ・グランデを誹謗中傷し傷つけた事だけはよく知っています。
@@samford2442ireland = korea, england = japan
Have to admit in east Asia, most beautiful sword won by Japan but the majestic imperial officer Outfit won by Korea
Very interesting regarding the swords of two countries.
Recently, Korean swords that have been shown in TV dramas are actually copies of Japanese swords.
Originally, Korean swords were straight and double-edged.
What you are talking about is the sword of Silla when Korea was in the Three Kingdoms period. In the first place, the curved sword of East Asia was passed from China to Korea and from Korea to Japan, and the katana was created by imitating the Korean hwando
Don't show your inferiority complex and study if you don't know anything. lol
Great video, thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, God Bless ❤️
i never seen real korean sword.
For those insisting that every Korean cultures are from China and Japan, that belongs to all the three countries: China, Korea, and Japan. Since these 3 countries are located near enough to trade things, they share similar culture. However, they show difference when we closely compare them. You know, 'Kimchi' and 'Pao Chai' are different food but they look similar.
And I saw a comment of 'Ita Shin' that Koreans copy everything from Japan, that is not true. Past Japan nations have learned many things from past Korea nation 'Baekje' such as craft, medicine, ironwork, music, constructions, and more. You can search 'Seven-Branched Sword' which king of Baekje conferred to Yamato ruler. If your logic is true, then Japan did fundamentelly copied things from Korea long time ago.
We are not kids, we know that near countries interact each other and therefore, our culture improves. Korea, Japan, China are all good countries, and they share similar but unique cultures. To say 'who copied who?' is a childish behavior.
History distortion of China and Japan remains today and false informations they make are spreading to the world. But as a Korean student, I respect culture of China and Japna, and I expect them to respect our cultures as well. China is growing into a great power day by day, Japan is performing well in the technology field, and Korea is showing amazing recognition in the IT field and K-pop.
Some Koreans hate chinese and call them with bad nickname, some Koreans hate Japan due to history, but still many Koreans love China and Japan. I know many Japanese and Chinese love Korea too. So don't focus on this mean malicious
commenter @Ita Shin and look for the beautiful side of the world.
From what I know, in ancient times, the cultural flow went from China to Korea and then from Korea to Japan. During the middle ages, Korea and Japan were both heavily influenced by China equally. In modern time, China and Korea have learned from Japan. At least this is what I know....
@@digiver Yeah, but the point of my comment was that difference still remained in what people see as same things, and that it does not mean China is superior than Japan and Korea...whatever. The reason Japan was advanced in modern time was because they traded with America earlier than the rest. Then, is America culture better than Japan culture because it influenced Japan?
Also, recently Korea is having a leading position in IT feilds among three nations. Many outstanding Koreans are hired by Chinese enterprises but that doesn't mean Korea has the best culture.
And Japan has leading company such as Doyota and their systems are getting attention from the world. But those aspects does not show the superiority of culture.
This video is about the difference of JP sword and KR sword, but some comments are about superiority of 3 Asian culture.
@@digiver Just think about this. You posted a video about difference between Tank of China and Korea. But the comments are about Korea has better tanks compared to China and Korea culture is better than that of China.
Yeah they share the same form of tank, but there are still differences.
And what you said about the cultural flow is true. But do you know of China's countless copyright infringement cases? As we can see today, there are strengths each countries have, and this was same in the past. Of course there was no internet in the past so there were significant gap, but we can not just say 'Korea copy everything' that is very rude and silly considering the fact that they learned ironwork from Baekje and kidnapped many sword makers.
何でも真似するというのは少し言い過ぎだけど非常識かなと思うような事は日韓の間で何度もありましたよ。日本人が韓国は許可無しに真似をしてくると言うような発言をした場合、こういう事があったからこそ強くそう思っているのもあると思うので。
@@sll2o0-m1c alright. After war, there have been some cultural trades about the weapon and therefore Joseon sword came to resemble the Japan one. Then, does that mean Joseon copied every Japanese culture? Yeah you could say we copied your sword, but that does not lead to culture theif or whatever. Why are you guys so annoyed of swords which nobody use today? Silly Americans and Japanese so proud of Japanese samurai culture.
JD Korea, God bless you. :) 😀.
A question, ¿Are the swords that appear in the 2002 film call "Die Another Day" from the British secret agent 007 James Bond are Japanese swords or Korean swords? Please answer me as soon as possible and thanks.
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I want to practice Iaido using the Joseon sword!
I dont understand blade difference
The very end of blade on the Japanese swords is acute and sharp, Korean Geom is more rounded. That's it lol
May not be mentioned here, but Japanese places have 6 sides, korean blades have 4 (flat on one side)
일본도는 예술적인 용도가 있지만 조선군인들은 그냥 무기고에 굴러다니는 칼 집어서 썼음
한국의 예술적 무기는 활이지
Once upon a time a Japanese Smith loved the design or look of Chinese and Korean blades, but was still not satisfied. The swords returned from battles shattered, bent, or cracked. So he made a prayed to imbue weapons with blessing or bless him with the knowledge to craft more durable swords? Was that the katana myth?
Katana is a great sword, and ther is no dought to it being one. But did u know it is just a replica of the korea Koreyo sword. The Katan after the portugese arriveal with stronger steeling is what katana is. Also the one bladed katana or the korea koryo sword is of this region (north east asia) china never had a one bladed sword. they only had the double edged solo held sword!
Yes your thinking of the smith Amakuni who made the first true Japanese swords before him their swords were based on Chinese and Korean designs (see Tsurugi and chokuto)
@@bobbypaek6795 What? Dao means single edged sword and has existed before Korea existed.
@@lolasdm6959 katana is replica of the korean Koryo periond sword that has been about a 1000 yrs befo Japan ever esisting. How do u not understand what i 1st wrote????
the legend of amakuni
That curve swords like scimitar from the middle east , shashka from eastern europe and cutlass from america during early age of the sail like joseon navy.
The video is poorly translated🐱 BTW I prefer japanese sword than the korean sword
You want to look at Tang Dynasty Sword, the predecessor of the katana
@@LKH9Channel lol tang swords are broadswords, stop lying
@@thecoffeemaker7444 The Tang Dynasty lasted nearly 300 years with an area that covers a rather LARGE area of land with many different cultures in it. They had more than one kind of sword.
@@ColdNapalm42 Sure, everything is possible in your wet Chinese dreamland.
@@thecoffeemaker7444 Imagine google existing and you just spit out trash.
What about chines sword ??
Korean sword comes from Chinese sword
Chinese are frauds steal ideas from everyone else
@@qouavang3646 historically no
@@jessepasley5429 It's not ture. It was the ancestor of kroean who first invented iron and manufactured iron weapons in Asia.
@@og0140 NO
Bro what is Koreans with their fanfictions? First iron tools in East Asia were made in Qinghai and Gansu (Western China) in 3000 BCE. Iron working was introduced to Korea by only the 4th centry BCE. Korean nationalists are super damn cringe. Read a history book.
First iron working in Asia was by the Hitties from modern day Turkey.
Fantastic, love history like this.
Basically what happened was that as long as the Japanese invaded and killed so much Korea, Koreans started trying to understand their equipment, hence these copies of katanas, the same thing happened with China.
What shape were the blades in Korea before the Japanese invasion?
Which culture first developed a fencing system based on a curved shaped longsword?
Japan or Korea?
Isn't Korean Gumdo older than the Japanese Kenjutsu art?
Thanks for sharing such interesting infirmations.
@@narusawa74 Korea spent years under Japanese occupation. This resulted in a fusion of the two cultures in Korea. Thus, most of the well-known Korean martial arts are a Korean version of Japanese arts. As an example of Taekwon-Do, hapkido etc. It turns out that Korea is in a movement of cultural appreciation, which implies denying this Japanese influence, and seeking in Korea's past the origin of these arts. But notice that in the history of Korean martial arts, the founders or great names were sent to Japan and exposed to Japanese martial arts, then returned to Korea and after the Japanese occupation founded their schools. In relation to Korea Gumdo it is the same thing, it is even more visible, that it is obviously just a Korean version of the Japanese fencing arts. A quick search and you'll see. The Japanese occupation of Korea aimed precisely at killing Korean culture. What ended up happening, was that they merged. Many things in Korea are legacies of this influence, which is still strong today. From music groups, through comics, to martial arts. The question that generates so much discussion is that with the growth of Korea, and therefore its pride, this Japanese influence is not well seen. Precisely because they don't like the fact that the best-known aspects of their culture are the result of Japanese domination, which caused so much death and pain for Korea.
@@eduardoshinki9972 #RealTalk
yup; I think Korea is a little more open about the Japanese influence on them as oppose to china; the dao was created by the Chinese to counter the Katana; it took most of its features from the Japanese no dachi with it being very long; yet the Chinese insist they developed it before japan did; its something silly to be petty about; this is how arms improve if you see something that is working for your enemy, like the Koreans did and improved their swords, you do it. its now modern weapons are innovated today
@@narusawa74 gumdo is not older than kenjutsu; gumdo is actually derived from Japanese kendo and kenjustu is older than both; they just changed it to suit their needs and added some of their traditional korean sword stances; same way they developed tae kwan do, and hapkido. nothing with that; there have been many great karate champs in the work that were tae kwan do practioners
why do the koreans always compare anything with japanese ones?
koreans rarely ever get into chinese ones that they have eagerly followed.
I guess you don't know how much Japan compares to Korea in Japanese broadcasting media.
@@uwa285
lol ... i guess u dont know how much budget the south korean govt has spent for japanese
media manipulation.
south korean govt threw in a huge sum of money into this policy.
just google it, u korean.
nhk, tbs, ntv (nippon television),and others.
these broadcast stations r "bribed", and promote the south korean circumstances that r quite
different from the reality.
Hwarang means flower warrior in korean while hwarangs means flower warriors in korean too
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Seems the historical accuracy is in question, they could do a lot worse than to copy the Chinese or Japanese swords...both were extremely good.
Guys, can't you stop comparison of Korean, Chinese and Japanese, just be peaceful like Malaysian, Indonesian and Filipino
사실상 임진왜란 이후 조선이 왕실 차원에서 일본의 검 제작기술과 검술을 흡수하려고 했기에 실질적인 차이점은 없다고 봐도 무방함. 이 영상에 언급되는 차이점들도 근본적인 차이점은 없고. 애시당초 왜란 이전까지는 쌍수도의 개념의 약한데다 기병검조차 검 길이가 매우 짧았고 왜란 이후 실록에서도 조선 검술 자체가 실전된 것 때문에 일본에 조선군 장교를 보내서 검술 배워오라는 임금의 명이나 조선에 남은 일본 대장장이들에겐 검을, 일본군 무사들에게 검술을 가르치게 하라는 명까지 남아있으니.
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세종때 이미 일본도 제작법을 일본에서 배워온 조선의 장인이 있었음 세종대왕에게 일본도를 만들어 바쳤는데 상만 내리고
며 몇개 제작해라는 기록은 없음 당시 조선에서도 일본도를 에술품이나 장교들이 종종 사서 사용하였는데 임진왜란 이전 에는 '
크게 임팩트가 없었음
전세계 국뽕들 다 모여서 댓글에 똥싸지르는 영상이구만 ㅋㅋ
Joseon sounds cool
Thanks
Yeah.
Can be a Joseon Samurai.
Still cool.
and we can not see the blade of the Joseon sword ?.... you should compare instead with the Tachi sword, with sharp down .
No weebs allowed
Your josean sword would actually match the description of a hiean era tachi.
the tachi was preferred by samurai until the edo period, the tachi is far longer than the hwando, the late era hwando is far closer to the "HANDACHI" or half-tachi which is essentially a slightly shorter tachi meant to be an in between of the uchigatana and the tachi , not the same as the kodachi which is "child-tachi" which is essentially a short sword and is more of a katana sized tachi sometimes a kodachi can be shorter than the uchigatana.
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In Chinese perspective, this comment section is pretty funny. Japan and Korea both inherited Chinese culture and made it their own, but Japanese looking down on Korean is next level comedy. when Korea was already relatively small but highly cultured group of kingdoms, Japan was bunch a waste land with no one there. Then the yayoi people immigrated to Japan and started a society. in fact, the first Japanese emporer was a guy from koream peninsula😂
dum in muuultiple levels
Japan kidnapped a lot of artisans from Korea. Swordmakers included.
However that has been muddled in history. I would not be surprised if the DNA of renowned old Japanese swordmakers has Korean mixed in it.
Japan had very few metal resources and had to import materials and know-how from outside Japan.
Lol, the invention of the Katana had nothing to do at all with Koreans, and if anything, like with all things Korean and Japanese, it was inspired by Chinese design, same goes for the entirety of Korean things and culture as well.
People forget that countries traded with each other for centuries.
In fact, Ancient Japan fought on an Ancient Korean kingdom's behalf (more specifically: Baekje)
Let me guess....YOU'RE KOREAN 🙄 This guy is talking about catching up to weaponry that was crafted 100s of years ago but supposedly....KOREA INVENTED THEM FIRST hahaha gtfo heree
stop making up stories, korea never had any artisans, everything in korea was copy from china
@@xinyiquan666 I could be more on point when I say even some of the technology China had was copied from an earlier civilization.
Face it. We humans transmit our ideas into the future from the past.
If you have a hard time getting it. How about you come out with info on those European looking mummies found in or near those pyramids in China?
감사합니다. 계몽적인 프레젠테이션이었습니다.
Modern Korean martial arts just use katana as many of the swords masters from when those martial arts were created learned from the japanese.
Fact 1.
Swordsmanship in the late Joseon Dynasty was influenced by Japan and China, and was particularly influenced by Japan.
This exists as a historical fact and is written in the military swordsmanship book.
However, this does not mean that there were no traditional Korean martial arts or military martial arts before that.
Is there a country that does not have a national military swordsmanship book in the first place?
It's the same thing.
Fact 2.
Katana is a Japanese sword and is different from the Hwan-do in the video. It is true that Japanese swords had an influence in the late Joseon Dynasty.
This brought about changes in the knot on the handle, the size of the tsuba, and the length of the blade.
However, the black Joseon in the video appears in the early Joseon Dynasty and can be found in many ancient books and paintings.
In particular, the characteristics of hwan-do are as follows.
1.ddi-don
The Joseon army's main weapon was the bow, which was designed to be able to be moved backwards because it was inconvenient to have a sword with the handle in front when shooting a bow.
2. Fish leather finish
Stingray skin was considered the best quality, and it was usually finished by melting the swimbladder to create an adhesive.
3. Ring on the handle
There is a ring at the end of the handle, and after the end of the Three Kingdoms period, it gradually became smaller from the early Joseon Dynasty to its current appearance.
In fact, the ring of the sword in the video is very small, but it exists.
And the streamlined blade was a Mongolian heritage, and it was a sword that had been used for a long time, whether in China or Korea.
Nevertheless, one of the reasons why streamlined swords, a type of sword, did not appear often in China or Korea was that double-edged swords had a strong purpose in war. The single-edged sword (streamlined sword) was effective against ordinary soldiers and ordinary people who did not wear armor. However, streamlined swords were used for guard warriors and territory management soldiers.
In fact, movies and dramas that follow historical research well show the use of double-edged swords in war and high-ranking officials using single-edged swords (streamlined swords) in the capital or castle.
However, the war caused by Japan's invasion and Joseon's defeat in the late Joseon Dynasty changed Joseon's tactics and weapon system.
In other words, the use of streamlined swords in war was copied from Japan. But it is nonsense to say that there was no sword of that type.
To put it simply in the West, a streamlined sword was in the same position as a rapier, and a double-edged sword was in the same position as a two-handed sword.
However, Japan used the rapier in the war, and it was a completely counter-intuitive idea.
Of course, unlike the West at the time, the East was a war fought based on population, and it was impossible to equip all soldiers with high-quality armor, so this was a possible condition.
For reference, all of this information can be found in the open “Annals of the Joseon Dynasty.”
The book above is a very detailed and factual book that discusses everything from when the king of Joseon pooped and what it tastes like to history, politics, and the military.
In fact, many officials died or went into exile while writing that book.
Even the phrase “the king told me not to write it down” often appears.
If you think this is false, my argument may be in jeopardy, but there are already many relics that can be measured from the era.
@@띵띵띵띵-c9d제대로 잘 설명하셨네요.😂 일본인이나 중국인, 와패니즈들은 한국의 모든걸 부정합니다. 영향을 받은건 사실이나 한국의 전통들까지 부정하려 듭니다.
During the catastrophic Imjin War in 1592-97, thousands of Japanese swords, spears, bows, and matchlock muskets fell into Korean hands. It would seem common sense to equip Korean soldiers, militia, guerillas, and partisans with captured Japanese weapons but almost no historical documentation exists. The Koreans are a proud people and the widespread use of captured Japanese arms would be something they would be averse to openly admit.
Historians are certain that the Japanese katana did in fact influence the creation of a Korean curved sword similar in appearance and design. After all, it has been common military practice throughout history for combatants to adopt superior enemy weapons or copy useful features of enemy weapons.
Historical documentation records the approved importation of over 122,000 Japanese swords into Ming China around 1410 to roughly 1430. This does not include Japanese swords illegally exported or smuggled into Ming China. History includes that the Japanese swords were eagerly purchased by Ming Chinese army officers. Ming officers wore their swords like the Koreans, slung from the belt, not slipped through the belt as the Japanese. The only surprise is that no one can point to any existing Japanese sword artifact in China from that time period. The Chinese and Koreans did not revere their swords to the same near-spiritual devotion as the Japanese. Therefore lack of care and maintenance must be behind the reason no Japanese swords from four centuries ago can be found in China and Korea.
Well Korean started adopting matchlock after Imjin war and created musketeer unit inspired from ashigaru matchlock unit
임진왜란 일어 나기전 100년도 이전에 조선 4대왕 세종대왕 때 일본도를 만드는법을 배워온 조선인이 있었음
그사람이 일본도를 세종대왕에게 바쳤는데 상을 내렸다는 기록이 있고 그이후에도 일본에서 일본도 만드는 법을 배워온 조선인 들이 있었음
조선의 직업군인 장교들은 반드시 북방 주르첸과의 국경지대에서 복무 하였는데
북방으로 가기전에 일본인 거주지 에서 조선의 장교들은 일본의 검을 사서 길이가 조선의 검보다 길어서 좀 잘라내고 짧게 사용했다는 기록들이 있음
조선남부 지방 3곳에서 일본인이 거주 하며 무역을 했음 그중 한곳에는 2500명 정도의 일본인이 거주했음
조선에서 일어난 일본인들의 반란에 5000명의 일본인들이 동원됌 조선에서 일본검을 구하고 만드는게 그리 어려운 일은 아니었고
그다지 높게 생각 하지도 않았음 임진왜란 이 터지자 카타나를 높게 평가함
임진왜란때 노획한 카타나를 청나라 사신들이 원했음 그래서 청나라 사신이 오면 선물로 줬음 그렇게 넘어간 카타나가 수백 자루가 넘음
조선의 검중에 날은 일본도 인게 좀 있음 전쟁전에 일본에서 카타나를 구입해서 전쟁때 사용한 조선 사람도 있었고 조선에도 카타나를 많이 사용했음
@@mimorisenpai8540 임진왜란 이전에 화승총이 전래되었으나 조선에선 별로 관심이 없었음
그이전 부터 조선은 화승총과 같은 모양의 총은 있었음 방아쇠가 없었을 뿐
During imjin war Japan captured korean swordsmiths and stole Korean swords
@@kenadrian27嘘つくのはやめてください
戦国時代以前から刀は使われていました
You said nothing of the blade forging techniques though. lol
Oh boo hoo gonna cry?
Sick hat!
Nonsense!
Why are you comparing old Korean swords with modern Japanese swords?
The old Japanese swords for the battlefield were a lot more like this Korean sword.
korean nationalists, always trying to claim how they have some originality, true historians would realize that the king of joseon's records itself claim that joseon has completely followed ming dynasty tradition.
@@courtly5982 Japanese nationalists, the histories in which they copied other countries, erase from memory and despise the products of other countries.
Nice but will nationalist koreans die if they admit that there traditionnal swords are a copy of the katana ?
No, I'm a Korean with somewhat nationalistic tendencies, but I won't kill you. I feel nothing because I have seen many crooked nationalist Japanese people like you who make absurd claims.😂
Same right and left hands. Same sharp points and sharp edges. Just different brains and either Sushi or Kimchee!!
The dressing of korean sword is correct but not the length. The length is shorter on the blade and handle compared to Katana.
This is just embarrassing. Please stop with the nonsense about traditional Korean swords. Why is there kozuka and kogai-ana (the holes on the tsuba) in your "Korean" sword? And why would they be on an obvious but poor copy of a tachi? This is because your "Korean" sword is a nonsensical mix-match of tachi and uchigatana. If you like and admire Japanese swords and swordsmanship, just have the integrity and courage to say so instead of plagiarizing and then pretending that it was yours all along. This is seriously pathetic.
proof? i ask because i am genuinely curious. I know east asian countries are fiercely proud of their heritage and creations and always exaggerate or rewrite history to make themselves look better.
says someone who knows nothing about anthropology or history and the theories
@patrickbchun look up kozuka and kogai (sword furniture on uchigatana), then tsuba-ana (the holes on tsuba on either side of the nakago-ana (the hole for the tang), which are usually flush with the fuchi (the collar fitting at the top of the tsuka/handle). The ONLY reason why those holes exist is to accomodate a kozuka or kogatana. There is no reason why they would be present on a tachi or any tachi-variant which were worn and used very differently.
@@pfl95 I know plenty and clearly know much more than you.
The koreans did indeed most likely copy the style of the kattana in the late goryeo period when defeated japanese pirates (Wōkòu) would flea leaving their weapons behind.
Going into Joseon the koreans adopted the style of the sword making a shorter version as a sidearm as they favoured the bow. It was known as the 환도 usually had a wider flat side of the blade and the actual sharpened side was thinner than the kattana. After the imjin war korea adopted the kattana again this time making a version that was of length and not short like the 환도. They literally called this the 진검 meaning true sword. With this blade they adopted holes in their guard unlike the 환도 had. It was used in their wars against the qing dynasty and the jurchen tribes up north.
Now silence weeb, we've had enough of your ignorence to korean culture.
요한복음 3:16 하나님이 세상을 무척 사랑하셔서 하나밖에 없는 외아들마저 보내 주셨으니 누구든지 그를 믿기만 하면 멸망하지 않고 영원한 생명을 얻는다.
Christianity is cultural suicide for korea
Thanks for the interesting breakdown of key points. Sorry about all the butt-hurt losers in the comments, but that's the internet for you.
lol. He's the loser. Trying to campare to japanese swords, practically screaming SEE GUYS WE HAVE KATANAS TOO, but nobody cares. :]
Koreans themselves talk about the inferiority of their blades when the invasion of Korea took place. They were no match for fine craftsman ship of the Japanese.
Plus Koreans aren't warriors but they sure did their best and prevailed just like the U.S never won the Vietnamese. Goes to show what people will do when their hometown is the last thing to protect
Koreans excelled at archery. the craftsmanship of their bows was second to none as well as their skill in the craft of archery. Samurai and Ashigaru alike feared Korean archers during the Imjin war. I see it like this- China (Polearms), Korea (Archery), Japan (Swordsmanship), Vietnam (Creativity and Cunning)
Koreans superiority are their bows, those are fine craftmanship compared to inferior Japanese bows. That is the tool that are needed to beat Japanese in the imjin war.
Well, Japanese swords are made of sand iron, so they bent and broken easily. So the Samurai always carried two swords. We have a lot of related records.
But Japanese sword are less durable because metal quality in japan are bad.
@@necrodamus5481nah bow and spear are primary weapon for all of them.
Samurai skill not decided by their skill in swordsmanship but with their skill in archery and horse. riding.
It looks a lot like a tachi sword It's longer, more curve and it's flip to the other side as well
That's because it is like a tachi.
japanese, why are you insulting your ancestors, Koreans?
韓国兄さん…😢
日本を真似しなくても他に誇れる事があるでしょう 先進国としての誇りを持って下さい
貴方達は日本を追いかける必要はありません
Malaysian and Indonesian mfs watching that
@@VIVY1818同意
日本刀の起源とかキンパの起源主張しなくても誇れるモノはいくらでもあるでしょ
Japanese has it's indigenous tribes/people, just like korea. Koreans also mixed with chinese/mongolians/manchurians. The the jomon people in korea and japan. And long before that we all came from monkey and neanderthals lol. People need to live in peace.
In the first place, the curved sword of East Asia was passed from China to Korea and from Korea to Japan, and the katana was created by imitating the Korean hwando. Japanese people need to study more history LMAO
ー조선의 무기 : 왜검(倭劒)과 왜장창(倭長槍)"ー
조선에는 조선의 무기 뿐만 아니라 일본과 중국에서 전래된 무기가 아주 많이 있었습니다. 현재는 일본도(日本刀)라고 불리는 왜검(倭劒)도 전래된 무기 중의 하나였습니다.
조선시대에 이르러서는 왜인들이 왜검을 진상하기도 했으며, 왜인이 조선인으로 귀화하여 조 선에서 왜검을 제작하거나, 조선인이 왜국에서 왜검제작방법을 배워오기도 했습니다.
허나 일본에 조총이 도입되기 이전까지는 조선이 원거리에서 왜구를 제압하는 것이가능했습니다.
그래서 단병기는 찬밥신세를 면하지 못했고, 왜검도 피해갈 수는 없었습니다.
임진왜란이 발생하고, 왜군은 조총사격으로 조선군을 놀라게 합니다. 그리고 창과 칼을 들고 돌 격하여 조선군은 싸울 때마다 패배하게 됩니다. 이때부터 조선의 조정에서는 일본으로부터 도검 제작기술과 검술을 익히기 위해 노력하게 됩니다.
그러나 임진왜란이 끝나고도 조선군은 길이가 짧은 환도와 같은 칼을 선호했습니다.
조선의 환도에 비해 길이가 길었던 왜검은 당연히 병사들이 좋아하지 않았습니다. 하지만 후기조선의 환도에는 일본도가 많은 영향을 주었습니다.
Kahmsamida
I just uploaded my berserk guts' raider dragonslayer hybrid combo. And tenchu stealth assassins heavymaru's stealth assassination combo number 1 lol 😂
Koreans like to compare everything from Japan.
no shit moron its common sense, they are next to each other. Also China, Japan, and Korea do have alot of similarities. Imagine if they compared it to Phillipines or something. It would be so different, use ur common sense on why they used Japan
Like Americans compare to UK or Canada, Spain and Mexico, India and China.
It's not uncommon for the world to compare themselves to their closest counterparts
I guess you don't know how much Japan compares to Korea in Japanese broadcasting media.
@@noblesseraziel9499You are right that there are similarities between Japan and Korea, however, Korea lacked a sword culture as well as other cultural ICON that you find in Japan. This is why I take with a grain of salt videos like this. You can never take it for granted when someone asserts anything cultural about Korea unless you a research yourself.
Japan also makes many comparisons with Korea. That's because Korea and Japan have many similarities. So It's good to explain their unique characteristics for people who can't tell the difference.
일본 니들만 검 있었던거 아니다 장난하나
The Korean blade looks weak and floppy as Chinese. Japanese ones are hard and rigid.
Weeb
Actually Japan had the shittiest steel so they had to fold it multiple times. Damn weeb
respect your father. Korean blade is father of Japnese ones
Weeb
일본에는 중국처럼 심각한 국수주의자들이 많구나
they are basically same shit
Both derived from Chinese Dao
North American countries, European countries are all the same Lmao
@@mimorisenpai8540 Nah Katana originates from Emishi swords
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement emishi didn't produce sword
@@mimorisenpai8540 Yes they did. Google the Warabite swords.
Korean swords falls under two categories Japanese and Chinese 😂
Chinese swords and Korean swords developed independently because they were always at war. Japanese swords actually were influenced by Baekje, which was one of three Korean Kingdoms
@@somethingiswrong8975 lmao they were not developed independently my friend. Korean weapons mostly copied from China and even remained the Chinese pronunciation, for example jangchang or changqiang in Chinese for long spear, dangpa or dangpa for that wired looking polearm, gung etc. If you look at the Joseon Dynasty military books you’ll see it’s it’s pretty much copied from the Ming dynasty
@@somethingiswrong8975
【조선의 무기 : 왜검(倭劒)과 왜장창(倭長槍)】
조선에는 많은 무기가 있었습니다. 물론 모든 무기가 조선에서 나온 무기는 아니였습니다.
조선에는 조선의 무기 뿐만 아니라 일본과 중국에서 전래된 무기가 아주 많이 있었습니다.
현재는 일본도(日本刀)라고 불리는 왜검(倭劒)도 전래된 무기 중의 하나였습니다.
(한국인들의 조상들이 왜검이라 불렀던 일본도는 고려시대부터 수입했던 무기입니다.)
조선시대에 이르러서는 왜인들이 왜검을 진상하기도 했으며, 왜인이 조선인으로 귀화하여 조선에서 왜검을 제작하거나, 조선인이 왜국에서 왜검제작방법을 배워오기도 했습니다.
허나 일본에 조총이 도입되기 이전까지는 조선이 원거리에서 왜구를 제압하는 것이 가능했습니다.
그래서 단병기는 찬밥신세를 면하지 못했고, 왜검도 피해갈 수는 없었습니다.
임진왜란이 발생하고, 왜군은 조총사격으로 조선군을 놀라게 합니다. 그리고 창과 칼을 들고 돌격하여 조선군은 싸울 때마다 패배하게 됩니다. 이때부터 조선의 조정에서는 일본으로부터 도검 제작기술과 검술을 익히기 위해 노력하게 됩니다.
그러나 임진왜란이 끝나고도 조선군은 길이가 짧은 환도와 같은 칼을 선호했습니다.
조선의 환도에 비해 길이가 길었던 왜검은 당연히 병사들이 좋아하지 않았습니다. 하지만 후기조선의 환도에는 일본도가 많은 영향을 주었습니다.
No, both Korean and Chinese swords were influenced by nomads from West and Central Asia. So Korean and Chinese swords were similar. China is not the origin.
Also, Korea's curved swords were influenced by the Mongol Empire. But China used Mongolia's curved swords as is. Then, the Ming Dynasty copied Japanese swords.
Is the comment section a conspiracy of koreans ?
우리나라는 발사체에 특화된 나라인데,
왜 칼을 강조하는가
쇠뇌랑 국궁은 어따 팔아먹음.
참으로 답답하다
@맞장구 짱구2002년 환두대도 다큐는 지금으로 보면 완전히 뒤엎어야 하는 내용들이고, 2008년 다큐에서도 우리가 일본보다 근접기술이나 검술이 앞서있엇다는 내용은 없었음. 신라구 내용은 신라의 호족들이나 왕명을 받고 움직인 사략해적들이 일본의 규슈와 쓰시마 지방 정부의 민간인들을 약탈한 역사임. 자랑스럽게 말할 내용은 아님.
@맞장구 짱구 다 뒤엎어졌던 이유가 당시 다큐에서 주장했던 내용들이 당시 부족한 사료를 바탕으로 추측한거니까 당연히 다 뒤엎어졌지. 일본이 한반도로부터 전술과 무술을 전수받았다는 기록이 전무한 것부터 "백제 환두대도가 일본에서 발굴되었다"이거 하나 외에는 환두대도가 가서 일본도가 됐다는 흐름을 주장하는 유물도 없고 백제의 검술도 남아있는 사료가 아예 없는데 그 상태로 다큐에서 "일본에서 환두대도가 발굴되었다" 이거 하나로 일본도의 기원이 다큐 내용 자체도 환두대도가 아닐까 확정도 아니고 '추측'했을 뿐임. 현재는 한국 사학계도 7세기 도호쿠 지방의 타치로 본다고. 애초에 직선상의 검의 형태인 환두대도와(그 이전시대 백제와 고구려의 환두대도조차도 직선형태의 검이다) 곡선의 도인 일본도는 그 병기로 펼칠 수 잇는 무술의 태부터 다르다. 그리고 그 곡선의 유래가 되는 7세기 도호쿠의 부드러운 곡선의 쌍수도 형태인 타치에서 일본도가 나왔다는 사료와 유물은 충분히 발견되었고.
그리고 신라구가 그냥 깡패? 신라구의 활동 주도한 세력이 당시 신라의 고위 귀족들의 사병 중심인건 알고 하는 소리냐? 왕명을 받고 노략질한 기록까지 남아있어서 학계에서도 사실상 신라의 사략해적으로 보고 있는데 단순한 한반도의 깡패조직? 깡패가 왕이나 지방 호족들의 명령을 받고 움직이는거 봤냐?
@맞장구 짱구 그놈의 9세기 환두대도 기원설이 나중에 까인게 환두대도가 일본에 들어왔을 때 쌍수검술이 아닌 한손검으로 방패와 같이 쓰였던 기록까지 발견된 것 때문에 형태도 형태지만 일본도의 기원은 그보다 이전의 도호쿠 지방의 쌍수도인 타치로 보는거고. 참고로 환두대도 기원설이랑 같이 나온게 당대도 설까지 있는데 당대도 기원설도 폐기됐다. 심지어 당대도 기원설은 똑같은 쌍수도에 형태라도 일본도랑 더 비슷하지. 게다가 잠깐만 생각해보면 일본에 환두대도가 들어왔을 때 설마 일본에 무술이나 도나 검술이 아예 없었겠냐? 전국시대 이전 헤이안 시대 포함 그전에도 지들끼리 계속 개판으로 내전하던 나라였는데. 현재는 네가 좋아하는 그 고고학적 유물들이 존나게 발굴돼서 현재는 한국 사학계도 일본도의 유래를 7세기 도호쿠 지방의 에미시들의 도인 타치를 일본도의 전신으로 본다고. (심지어 그 에미시들의 타치도 내전중에 발달한 무기다.)
그리고 신라구를 한반도의 깡패조직이라고 보고 단순 깡패들이 일본 규슈 영주들보다 강했다고 국뽕하는게 어이없네. 당시 신라 전체 인구와 신라 해군 병력을 찾아봐라. 애초에 지방 호족들의 사병들 중심이었지만 걔들이 진짜 단순 깡패조직이었으면 왕명까지 받았던 흔적은 왜 있겠고, 당시 인구도 적던 그 시절에 한번 움직이는데 최대 100척의 군함과 2500여명의 병력을 기동하는게 가능했겠냐? 괜히 사학자들이 병신이라서 학계에서 사실상 신라의 사략해적으로 보는 게 아니라니까.
@맞장구 짱구 아오ㅋㅋ 다큐도 제목만 던져놓고 구라치다 걸리더니 레퍼런스를 논문 이름이라도 박던가 아까는 구닥다리 국뽕 다큐에 이번엔 아아키도 민간 무술 서적 하나 달랑 가져와서 이게 근거다 이러고 있으니까 너한테 존나 설명을 해도 네 말엔 근거가 하나도 없어?ㅋㅋ 너 다큐도 제목 하나 달랑 던져놓고 내가 확인한 내용이랑 달랐던 것처럼 저 민간 무술 서적도 그렇게 구라치는 용도가 아니고? 환두대도와 별개로 타치가 존재해왔다는 사료는 계속 있고 서구에서도 형태 때문에 차라리 환두대도보다 당태도 기원설을 타치에 가깝게 본다고. 지금 국내 자료 뒤져봐도 타치에 발전 과정에 환두대도가 영향을 끼쳤을 수는 있다 정도로만 나오는데 혼자 자꾸 다큐나 책 제목 하나 던져놓고 또 구라를 까려고 함?
@맞장구 짱구 "한반도에는 일본도가 들어오기 전에 이미 환도 라는 고려의 검이 존재 했고 일본에서 중국을 통해서 들어온 제독검과 임진왜란떄 직접 들어온 왜검이 따로 존제 했다고 에 나온다. "
당당하게 말해서 존나 터졌네ㅋㅋ무예보통지에 실린 제독검과 왜검(토유류, 운광류, 천유류, 유피류)은 검술을 말하는 거지 검의 명칭인 병기의 이름이 아니다ㅋㅋ 이여송 제독이 주고 갔다는 칼은 아직까지도 별도의 이름이 없고 무예도보통지에서는 이여송 제독의 검술이 낙상지에 의해 전수되었다고 해서 제독검이라 칭하는거다ㅋㅋ 지금 이런 것도 모르는 애랑 대화하고 있었다고?ㅋㅋ 덤으로 환도라는 건 한반도에서 사용하던 모든 검을 통칭하던 말이었고 무예도보통지는 당시 기준으로도 틀린게 존나 많던 책이었는데 옛날 기준에 지금과 같은 자료 조사가 가능했겠냐? 조선 무술일 거라고 실어넣은 것도 근거가 확실하지 않아서 무예도보통지에서는 조선의 무술일 '것이다'라고 써놓은 부분도 여럿인데ㅋㅋ 심지어 당시에도 제독검의 출처가 명확하지 않아서 출처를 흐린 검술이다. 그리고 일본도 자체는 임진왜란 이전에도 한반도로 계속 흘러들어왔고 세종대왕이 만든 사람에게 상을 주거나 선물로도 거래된 기록 존나 많으니 빠져나갈 생각일랑 말고요.
그리고 신라구에 대해서는 네가 한반도 단순 깡패라고 했던 부분이 날구라라고 지적했더니 왜 앵무새처럼 같은 말만 반복함? 단순 깡패가 왕이나 지방 호족들의 명령을 받고 움직이는거 봤냐니까? 너 설마 위에 사략해적이라고 설명해줬더니 사략해적이 진짜 단순 해적인 줄 알고 또 이거 쓴건 아니지?
존나 제독검과 왜검을 무기의 이름인 줄 알고 자신감있게 쓴 것부터 불안불안하긴 한데 어디 더 떠들어봐ㅋㅋ 이번엔 뭔 제목만 달랑 가져와서 구라칠지 존나 기대되네ㅋㅋ
Chong guy chong guy. In my language means chop meat chop meat 😂
there is no such thing as korean sword, its a pure copy of chinese sword,everything of korea came from china
Lol I love how Chinese claim that everything originated from them except Covid.
Get a life.
@@VNSnake1999 China is so greedy they even claim the culture, invention and tradition of their neighbors lol
This dude sounds like a Korean. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It is true. Korea was kind of vassal state for China empire.
oh watch out! here comes china claiming they invented the world. lol. pathetic nationalism and communist propaganda. Nothing you say has any merit because youve been brain washed by your government to think you guys are the best at everything.
Copy of Katana
韓国には独自の文化はありません。そのほとんどは中国からの盗作であり、20％は日本と米国からの盗作です。今ではサムライの刀さえも韓国のものになってしまった。いつかアメリカのハンバーガーも韓国のものになるのではないかと心配しています。
@@gunsroses1293 the nuke really did number on you guys eh?
@@gunsroses1293 진짜 지랄한다
그리고 일본의 야요이시대는 한반도에서 넘어간 도래인들이 이룬거임
의심되면 직접 니네 사학계에 물어봐라
The hwando was based off the mongol sabres
Yeah simply cause you got to know katana first. True definition of ignorance lol.
The single-edged sword originated in China. And it has evolved independently in Japan and Korea.
No, the single-edged sword origin is the nomadic Sarmatia, not China.😂
Industrial garbage compared to Katana
And i bet you are a American Kid who learned the art of blade fighting by watching Naruto ?
Ignorant detected 🤡
damn we got a smelly basement weeb. i dont even care about japanense or korean swords and ik ur full of fecalmatter.
Yes, "industrial garbage" from 2000 years ago.
Moron...
@맞장구 짱구 This is just not true. There are great manufacturers making high-quality repros of European and Chinese swords as well.
I prefer Arab curved or two eye sword. The same sword that the Arab used to dismantle Roman and Persian empire. It is well tested up to this day if you watch the beheading of criminal in Saudi Arabia. It cuts thru the neck in 1 single blow like neck is made of a soft bamboo. In the end spectators are served with horor scene of flying head rolling down toward them. D@mn man thats a bad @s$ sword.
Arabs actually had straight swords. The curved swords were adopted from the Steppe peoples such as the Turks later on I've heard. Even in Al Andalus (Moorish Spain and Portugal), they favoured straight swords until later.
Japanese sword VS Korean sword = work of art VS junk
Japan's Katana is less durable. In fact, according to historical records, it was recorded that Japan sword was easily broken in the battle between the Korean sword and the Japanese sword. So the reason why samurai carry two to three katanas is because they are easy to break. Therefore, the perception that Korean swords are trash is proof that you do not have knowledge of that.
That is a wildly ignorant statement
Can’t we like both things?
@@baconbro1753 A lot of immature/stupid people have bizarre fixations on the supposed "superiority" of certain nations over others including the quality of the products of their material culture. late Korean swords are basically the same as Japanese swords but with sometimes more robust hilt constructions and with different blade steels and grinds yet people insist on the Japanese swords being better because Japan has more "prestige" and cultural cache than Korea because it has a better PR campaign in the west. People will talk about Koreans "copying" the katana but fail to mention how the katana was an evolution of the Chinese Tang Dao.
Lol you know nothing about Asian swords
It seems Korean want to be Japanese. . Every time They are comparing with Japan . Samurai sord is totally different. They cannot manufacture Japanese sord. Manufacturing methodology is one of Japanese Samurai sord .
そうなの？
Ita Shin
Koreans diligently followed China, and copied anything they produced so eagerly in ancient times. In a word, they wanted to be like people of their suzerain, that is, China.
In more recent years, Koreans have earnestly copied anything good produced in Japan.
They are eager to take the place of Japan by all means.
Therefore, they will desperately insist on "the origin" of anything of Japan that have become world-famous even though there is not even a semblance of proof.
Are you stupid? Did you not watch the video? The man was just comparing the two swords, he didn’t say if one was better than the other
False
집에만 있지 말고 밖에 좀 돌아다녀라. 사람도 좀 만나고
Should i care? Nah both looks good. End of story.
Korean sword is dull, samurai sword way better, you can chop someone ear with katana
What the fuck is this shit
what about the swords in your country? are they any better?
@@derbdep we have lot of sword here, especially for head hunting, my anchestor getting 3 japanese soldiers head when ww2
have you heard of sharpening a blade? lol
Sharpening exists. Also given that all metal around this time used old smelting methods, expect quality to vary a lot.
중국의 속국이었던 조선의 무기는 중국의 물건이며 단궁, 직도이다. 에도시대에 도쿠가와 장군에게 축하를 위해 보내진 조선의 사절단이 장군으로부터 기념품으로 받은 일본도이다. 이것은 조선국에서 매우 귀중한 무기로 구부러지지 않고 부러지지 않고 끊어지는 무기는 없었기 때문에 일본도 같은 물건을 만들기로 했다. 그것이 이 동영상에 나오는 일본도 같은 물건(모조품)
The weapons of Korea, which was a vassal state of China, were Chinese, such as short bows and straight swords. This is a Japanese sword that was given to the Tokugawa Shogun as a souvenir during the Edo period by a Korean delegation sent to celebrate with him. This was a very valuable weapon in Korea, and since there was no weapon that could cut without bending or breaking, they decided to make something similar to a Japanese sword. That is the Japanese sword-like thing that appears in this video (imitation)
헛소리 작작 하네 한국의 검은 몽골의 검에서 영향을 받아 휘어졌음 일본 카타나 만드는 법은 이미 조선세종때 배워온 조선장인 있었음
그리고 조선 초기 3곳의 일본인 무역 거류 항구가 있었는데 한곳은 일본인 2500명이 거주 하며 살았음 그런데 조선이 일본의 카타나를 몰랐겠나
조선의 장교들도 일본 카타나를 임진왜란 100년 이전 부터 사용하고 있었음 그리고 일본의 철은 상당히 불순물이 많아 잘부러 졌음
조선이나 중국은 철광석이 순도가 높아 일본처럼 제련 하지 않아도 되었음 임진왜란중에 조선칼과 일본도 가 충돌했는데 일본도가 부러졌다는 기록이 많음
일본도의 강점은 길이와 날카로운 연마 이지 칼자체의 내구성은 뛰어나지 않았음
단한번도 조선은 중국의 속국이었던 시절이 없었는데 거짓말 좀 하지마세요
chinese being chinese
일본도:실전성
조선도:상징성
일본도가 실전성으로나 상징성으로나 더 높음.
It's the same shit