Leadership Dynamics: Exploring the Appointment of Younger Brothers in the Jehovah's Witness Faith
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Announcements and Reminders
January 2022
FOR ELDERS
Assisting Young Brothers to Make Spiritual Progress:
For several years, the Governing Body has emphasized the importance of assisting young brothers to qualify for congregation responsibilities.
This continues to be an urgent need. It has been observed that in some congregations, few baptized brothers in their late teens and early 20s are reaching out to serve as pioneers or ministerial servants. In some lands, relatively few young brothers are applying to attend the School for Kingdom Evangelizers, to serve at Bethel or to assist in Kingdom Hall construction and maintenance. On the other hand, qualified younger brothers in some congregations have been held back simply because of their age. (w18.08 pp. 11-12 pars. 15-17)
Therefore, the Governing Body requests that all bodies of elders worldwide give priority to helping younger brothers grow in their relationship with Jehovah and qualify for congregation responsibilities. (Phil. 2:20-22; 1 Tim. 4:12-15; w75 4/15 pp. 3-13)
Elders should regularly discuss spiritual goals with younger brothers. (Ps. 110:3; w21.08 pp. 26-31; sfl chap. 1 par. 6 pt. 4; chap. 8 par. 5)
Although relatively young in years, exceptional ministerial servants may already be viewed as spiritually older men and qualify as elders in their mid-, or even early, 20’s. In due course, the Shepherd book will be updated to reflect this direction.
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I submitted my disassociation letter on December 31st and so did a newly baptized brother that I know. He was just baptized in August last year and within 2 months they had him primed and on the fast track to be a ministerial servant. But, thankfully we both woke up. Praise Jah!
Who did you give the letter to? Did you have to give it to a local body, or send it straight to Watchtower?
Wokeup, ya.went back to sleep,, wakeup,,,, what bugs me ya.go through all the.wuestions and.fall away,, come.on now,
@@MindBodyStorm I sent it to all the folks in my congregation that I had email addresses for (included the elders & MS), and I mailed a copy of everything I said in the email to the Branch (it was 11 pages). I'm sure they didn't read it but I feel like I tried.
@@thinkingbeliever247 Did you file it with a court or Police department just in case? Or is that even a good idea?
@@MindBodyStorm I actually called my attorney before I sent either because I wanted him to do an official document. But, he told me it was not necessary for him to send a letter or for me to do anything other than send it to the elders & Branch. Are you thinking something else is necessary or do you think I missed something? Very interested to hear. 😊
“Nobody does hypocrisy like the Watchtower.” -JT
Bingo !!!!!!
Can you believe that ?
These guys insult their members intelligence
Say an “older man” is not a “young man”. Out one side of their mouth and then turn around and
appoint a “young man as a older man”
Go figure
Lol
Jt
I think someone at bethel is pitching the idea to give sisters privileges. They’ll probably pick some verse about the female prophets and boom: new light
Young people are more savvy because of the internet!! Thank goodness! It’s just one more reason watchtower is crumbling 👏
This is the reason why I walked away from the watchtower organization. The elders appointed my Bible student as a ministerial servant and skipped over me.
I stopped attending in 2016.
I was in a congregation of 200 publishers with 4 elders. They were totally overworked. I was appointed 2 months short of being 27 years old. One of the most common questions I was asked when appointed was how old are you? I knew it was an issue because I was young. After 4 years I was burned out and emotionally drained. I had sat in shepherding and judicial committees which were very painful. It was not an enjoyable experience.
Colin I’m right there with you. I served on six judicial committees simultaneously while being the service overseer, the school overseer, conducting a book study. I loved my brothers and sisters, but being an elder is not about love, it is about enforcement.
Well screw them forgot them
Such hypocrisy☹️ Praying for all the captives to be freed🙏🏾
Hey no one does hypocrisy like Watchtower
@@ExJWCriticalThinker my mom’s Anthem since I was a kid "no one does hypocrisy like Jehovah’s Witnesses"
@@doctor.chioma I don't know you or your mom personally, but your mom sounds awesome! 👍👍
JT and Lady C, this hits close to home for me. There's a lost generation or two (presently males between mid thirties to late fifties early sixties) who for one reason or another did not reach out or where discouraged by pettiness and favoritism when they did. A lot of them are saying "screw it, I am not giving them any free labor for a thankless job with a meaningless title in the grand scheme ".
As someone who is in his early fifties and never appointed to be an elder even though more than qualified, I can understand the motivation to seek out younger recruits. They are easier to mold but it will backfire. You can't give inexperienced people power and expect good outcomes.
In my case, I saw how my father who enjoyed great privileges from his youth (was made Congregation servant at 25, gave major talks at conventions, worked on major branch assignments, etc) neglected other important things in his life (marriage, family, finances, etc) only to be discarded when he was of no more utility to the org. Even though he was very well respected and liked, he died a somewhat broken man.
I made up my mind not to fall into that trap. I was a good witness. High hour although never regular poineered, appointed MS at 21, never faced a judicial committee. I turned down appointment to be elder twice in two congregations because I saw what it did to my father. I had a wife and a young family and I wasn't interested, much to the bewilderment to those elders and my father when I told him. It's not worth it I said to my dad. Although disappointed, I think he deep down respected my decision.
Now with the kids grown I've become PIMO so I am not going to be appointed (l keep reporting low hours) and seeking a way out, hopefully with my family.
This is an EXCELLENT post that knocks the ball OUT THE PARK
You have drilled dis n to the very point of our video
Thanks for bringing your personal life exp to the table of discussion
This was the point that lady Cee brought up in our PreShoot that she wanted to highlight
Then you come right behind here and out the ICING ON THE CAKE
thanks once again
You guys help us help so many folks. When you bring real life rubber hitting the road personal life accounts
Thanks
Jt
lol
@@ExJWCriticalThinker Thanks guys. You and Cathy are the best. Just keeping it real.
On further thought, a recent appointment in our congregation explains this letter.
It's important to note that I live within 1 hour of all of the Bethel facilities in New York and my congregation is stocked with bethelites that no doubt know about this new policy. I have met many people you talk about in your videos including who I think is your mentor 😉.
An older brother (about 61) was appointed an elder. Nothing has changed about this man's circumstances that suddenly qualified him. In fact, when l first joined the congregation 15 years ago, I thought he was a elder based on his comments and bearing. Over time and talking to him I realized he didn't fit into some arbitrary criteria to be an elder. He can come off a bit too earnest and eager at times in his comments and talks which can be off-putting but that's the most I can think of.
Interesting times.
DA L'ITALIA È MOLTO forte questa esperienza di vita di privazioni inutili sentirsi come tuo padre che ha dato tutta la sua vita per la WATCHTOWER e poi sentirsi messo da parte quando non può dare nella vecchiaia ,ma QUESTA è la WATCHTOWER AMERICANA che sta solo a chiedere in tutti i sensi con i loro privileggi che fornisce (E solo un modo per illudere le PERSONI con manipolazioni mentale facendo credere chi SA cosa sei ,)quando non puoi più dare ti parcheggia ,spero che molti ne prendano atto che alla fine e tutto vanità e delusione amarezza divisione e spreco di una vita controllata dalla WATCHTOWER.
@@gennaropannelli7138 ben detto, cosi vero
I can see it now, female elders! They will be part of a subgroup called Mothers Of Ministry, aka MOM.
This is genuis lmaoo
We are here hollering!!!!
Great post We loved it
All they need is some NEW LIGHT!!!!!!!!
Great post
When did you leave?
Jt
The new title will be eldettes.
Thank you JT and Lady CEE we are in the process of making our fade. Sounds like the time is right before the babies take over 🙄🍼👶😂
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I asked my PIMO 17 year old son if any of the boys he knows are really gung ho about “the truth” and pioneering or trying to become
MS’s and he’s like “no way dad, not even the elder’s sons”. Very telling…
@@johnmanzanita1397 my son who is now 27 was pioneering and running the sound for the meetings etc. They wouldn’t appoint him an ms. He finally gave up and is now out. My youngest son was completely ignored. These old men will regret how they treated this generation. Or they should!
Appointed as an elder at 24. Had just graduated MTS in 1991 and was assigned to a foreign language congregation in a major US city. Not gonna lie, no way I was mature enough to deal with the problems that I was asked to handle. That in addition to the lack of any real training.
Each time that I saw a young one appointed elder, I would think "poor baby". The fear was written all over their face. For the most part a lot of older friends thought the same. And that is why those baby elders were taken under the wings of the older one as their sons. Although they had that special consideration the majority of the times, I can imagine the intimidation of being sent into a foreign place that had problems. What a way to grow up fast when you have not grown up yourself.
Wt cared nothing about these young men and what they would face sad to say
Thanks for sharing the personal exp
Jt
@@ExJWCriticalThinker this foreign speaking congregation had a very conservative culture. One elder insisted, without any scriptural basis, that a 16 y/o witness who had sex with a similarly aged girl had to marry her since they took each other’s virginity. Only because that was his personal opinion on the matter and believed that was the honorable thing to do. As a junior member of the elder body, there was little I could do to counter the older men despite knowing that this was both unscriptural and ridiculous.
@David Taylor Was this foreign language Hindi by any chance? I knew a brother with your same name back in the day (in a major US city). He seemed miserable having so much responsibility and expectations constantly directed at him. If it’s you, I’m glad you got out. I hope you’re living a happy and full life now.
Some 18 years ago, two brothers in their mid-thirtys confided in me as a PO (then)that they have resolved not to make themselves available for any 'privileges', and that was why deliberately turned in very low hourly monthly reports, and absented themselves willingly from some meetings and CO's visits. They both had poverty-stricken, very elderly, former pioneer parents under each one's care. Great thanks JT & Lady Cee.
Now that was a powerful post
Thank you for sharing that experience.
Yes! Powerful reply indeed! I've seen too many times (over 60+ yrs association) young "whippersnapper" new to cong. Spend many hrs in the ministry, cozy up to the elders, reaching out for privileges, ride high & crash & burn...badly. If one out in service time, they're rewarded with privleges. ...'sister's' carrying mics!!??? Shocking! Hahaha!!
As a older sister I once (boldly) complained about the incompetence of an elder to a Circuit Overseer. His comment to me was "Well he's willing." To which I said " So if my 12 year old is willing to take my car and do an errand for me I should let him?"
NO! It's dangerous! Illegal! And could even cause death!
Sheryl. Mom of Ali's Big Toe.
Hey Mom! 🌻🌺🌹
What a great comeback! 👠
I love my Sister Ali!... She visited me about 2 yrs ago and I mentioned to her it was time for another visit and to bring you along with her.
Hopefully it can happen soon!
Stay safe and blessed! 🙏💜
What they should say is that we are not finding enough brothers to throw common sense aside and live in poverty so as to keep more money coming in.
Paul you are so bad!!!
Sad to say you are exactly right.
Lol
How you been man??
Jt
I was on my way to being a ministerial servant a few years ago after regular pioneering but that never happened because I woke up. Now I'm basically just coasting so I don't lose my family. I haven't been in field service in like 4 months but I still turn on the meetings with my camera off while I watch movies so my family (who I don't live with) doesn't trip... Lol
That's sad.
Naughty Jack. Watching movies during holy meetings? Lol
I remember when I was a kid there was this young brother that had it all; pretty wife, 2 kids, tall with executive style hair. He rose quickly and everyone fawned over him. Well of course he crashed and burned, it was a sad story and I felt sorry for the wife (she was a good person). I was out of the religion going to school and was out one night in a local bar and what did I see, that young guy. It was so pathetic, he was playing the pinball machine. He was just a big kid that never grew up because he had everything done for him (i.e. the golden child). I'll never forget him standing there wasting his life playing pinball. I do feel sorry for the young people that get appointed because they will see the damaged lives most JW's lead.
GOLDEN CHILD!!!
now that phrase sums up the type of men who will be appt only to fall on their face at the end of the day
Great point
Jeff thanks for sharing
Jt
There's damage whether you're an appointed person or not. 😍
@@marcilambert2906 You are on the ball, not the pin.
Its this orgs motto. Use them and spit them out. And it goes from publischer to GB members. No one hade the cojones to make changes needed. Religion is snare
The reason behind this is quite simple. The younger they appoint them the more willing they are to follow manmade rules without question. How completely contrary to scriptural direction, which of course is absolutely no surprise in this era.
Yup!
Wow. I truly feel sorry for the older people who are stuck there and just don't want to leave because theres nowhere else to go. Older people don't wanna believe anything else. How depressing to loose faith and knowing you lived a lie
Generational conflict is very difficult to get rid off. It usually happens anytime between 30 to 35 years and the intergenerational reset.. However in addition to that you'll have the situation with the organization trying to survive the cultural shift that the information era has created on its peers. Is in addition to that the frustration that the approaching of Armageddon continues to be an approaching people's minds instead of just the urgency to continue on the good work of Jehovah.. And that end of itself creates a conflict between generations because every generation expected Armageddon to show up at its doorstep
Some of these "old people" joined late in life, have no spirituality to begin with and are there because they get too old to sin so they are not stuck. They need the gossip cliques.
@@HL-vr1vs never too old to sin and what you call gossip could be conversation .
God ,by his word ,the bible ,does Not lie
These older persons have not lost faith in the truth even as demonstrated by you Acts. 20:29-32
Ain't no young person in their YOUTH can and ever have the maturity of a good older mature wise man from having lived and experienced life.Job,wife,children,BILLS!!!
Lindia STOP IT!
You are not supposed to be bringing insight and wisdom to the table of discussion
Only an Elder can do that!
Lol
Excellent post thanks for sharing
When did you get out?
JT
@@ExJWCriticalThinker I just love 💕😘 LOVE you two.I hope I can meet you all in person one day.If a XJW Convention is Ever arranged I'm going to make it my business to be their.And I will be Volunteering to Work.Even in the bathrooms.With no mummer or Complaint.I would feel honored to give my free brown skin service to Serve at Our Convention.Im building my Emergency Fund up NOW.I will be there Lady Cee and Mr J.T.
@@ExJWCriticalThinker I walked away from JW about the 3rd Sunday in March 2017.I only went to pick up my Study Article of the Watchtower that said The Governing Body men were not inspired.I was in for 30 some years.Not a born in.A Single parent.I just walked away In March for 👍😊 good.But I started do research on Utube in 2015 on XJW's.I did it the way my Father say do."Always have a strategy,a plan,and divine wisdom and you will practically ALWAYS accomplish what you want."
I seriously thinking about getting a Utube channel.My son .Knows all about this technology.He said he would help me.And will educate myself on the laws of what I can and cannot do or say.
@@lindiasanders3463 Me too. I’ll be volunteering right beside you.
Hello!! My personal opinion is there is so much potential for young people! I don't think they are interested in congregation matters. Young people these days are critical thinkers, they are more aware of cult control.
The best thing for them is to get an education and secure good job. Watchtower won't pay their bills for sure!
Loseing their mind.And that's what they get.They made a many lose their mind when we were in that CRAP. Watchtowers KARMA is built within.Nothing Good come out of something ROTTEN.Watchtower is Rotten,Stinky ROTTEN!!.
Rotten to the core! The broad and spacious road leading to death!
My wife and I are actively encouraging all we meet to research all JW info online.
That will be a relatively timely end to the society. It should go fairly fast.
The important goal is to wake up those near and dear to us.
Their GLORY DAYS are over
No zeal or excitement for any organization is not a good sign
Jt
Yes, I never use to want to say how I was raised jw. Now, I can't wait to tell anyone interested about the cruel jw cult.
I love to UNWitness!! My older brother has been an "elder" for years. He knows my stance and told other family members a couple years ago that I was "speaking against the organization and was an apostate". Now he's calling me by phone and wrote me a letter lamenting about the loss of family. I told him straight up on the first call I'd never be involved in this business of lies and deceit, mentioning the ARC over and over. I said "it's completely IMMORAL and you know it but you turn a blind eye!" I also told him "you can call it what you've been taught to, "apostacy" because you're just a puppet. But it's actually being a "heretic. Jesus was a heretic too!"
@@gbnomore3918 yup, my family is still in. No one talks to me, because I started dropping too many truth bombs. I don't do that anymore bc I realized it freaked them out. Due to the lifelong programming. Now I pray for them to be awakened to innerstand what's going on with the org. Not sure how I was able to see all the craziness tho??
I don't what to scare them so I pray. They are good people who will need my support.
@@marcilambert2906 I'd had red flags of cognitive dissonance for a long time but glossed them over. Then when the "gb" showed their faces and opened their mouths, I was like "this isn't Jesus's voice". Was out in d2d and a guy we met was an exJW and said "have you ever looked up the whole 1975 fiasco?" Had to check and then found the ARC hearings. That was it, I was done!
I'm a little rough on my brother but he dished it out so he can take it too. I try to do it with straightforward facts and reasoning however. He said "well who do you look to for spiritual guidance?" I said "you shouldn't even ask such an infantile question considering your experience, you should know! Jesus said 'you have only one teacher!' I pray to God but I TALK to Jesus." My other older brother and my younger one are now fully awake! It took a couple years but the Lord works in mysterious ways LOL!!
If this is not a key element that leads to Watchtower's complete demise, I don't know what will be. I really feel that this could cause even more people to wake up. A 22 YEAR OLD ELDER?? I'm having perhaps one of the biggest What The Fornication moments right now!! LOL!! I finally left this org in July of 2020 after 25 years and it's the best decision I've ever made in my life! This cult seems to be getting crazier by the day! Great video, Lady Cee and JT!
"What the Fornication ..." 🤣🤣
Had a little young one in my time, he was 32 years old. Power got to his head and he was very boastful. Can you imagine what could happen when they appoint these youngsters?
Bingo
Upstart inexperience.
In ways a elder can be 15 year in the future. I mean with zoom and online religion. They need just people that can work with apps and technologies
I definitely agree. I know it would’ve gotten to my head if I was in a position of leadership when I was in my early 20s
@@charrua59 Point taken. Could even be 10 years old. After all, 7 year old children are learning to code. In the future, I foresee my 7 year old grandson shepherding my old experienced ass because he can build apps. In the meantime, my 40 year old daughter cannot do a dinner prayer in the presence of her 7 yr old elder son (unless she covers her lesser mortal sinful female smaller brain submissive head) even though she recently painfully pushed him out and breast fed him for 2 years. Wait a minute! His mom still ensures he cleans his backside properly, as he has not yet mastered the art. Love this org.
As far as the Organization trying to recruit the really young brothers for the eldership, they might as well try sticking jello to fog. I think it's too little to late and sad to even think that more young men would waste the better part of their lives. I am so thankful that my son and I faded a few years ago.Thank you so much JT and Lady Cee for this timely information that I am hearing for the first time.
I totally agree. Young people are smart and if they research this organization and listen to the people that believed the lies from the past and totally ruined their lives, the people that got kicked out for reasons that still don’t make any sense and others that are old now and broke. They will run away from this cult.
This is a different generation of young people. Times are changing but the organization isn’t adjusting their archaic way of doing things.
Bingo
You knocked it out the park
Thx
Jt
exactly it is a different generation because this generations is a lot more wiser. then technology and research of knowledge is now at your finger tips. You can fact check things in real time by sitting there listening to a sermon about the fall of Jerusalem and see the actual date is 587 BC and not 607! 😆
I agree with everything you two said.
I'm faded 2 Years at this time. I'm in
my 50's now. I'm going to sit back
and watch the Train Wreck happen.
😅 Love you guy's, thank you both 🤟
Isn’t it true that the male brain is not completely matured until 25? I believe that’s a proven scientific fact. In any case, in an organization where you are never good enough, I think some of these older elders will resist following this mandate. It’s like the 80-year-old farmer who still won’t hand the reigns of the farm over to his 50-year-old son because, in his eyes, he’s too young. My own husband, great with people, great Dad, beautiful human being, never “qualified “ for the pittance position of MS. Never good enough because he couldn’t keep that 10-hour field service average … close, but not quite. He finally said screw it, for many reasons, and focussed more on his business and our family. This organization is going to be left with nothing but narcissistic, corporate climbers in their “leadership” roles. Love the sports analogy of the third string! You two are fantastic. I wish you health, happiness and success in 2022.
In 1995 I was a ministerial servant at 19, bethelite at 19, regular pioneer at 19 i was the only boy in 2 KH that did anything, I was the only 2 out of 10 in 2 KH that was baptized, disfellowshipped at 21. they have no youth programs, and they need to push people get married to keep them hostage. They are doing a 180 to try to keep youths, put the load on them.
During my disfellowshipping committee in 1999, I had to sit for over an hour listening to the three elders scolding me for not having accepted their many invitations to go up the ranks. Instead of discussing the matter I brought to them, all they were interested in was for me to explain why I didn't want to be a Ministerial Servant or Elder. Me not accepting any position in the congregation had more weight in their decision than anything else.
Elders like the power and position in Good times. But know the bad times have arrive, they don't want to be elders anymore.
It’s interesting hearing the difference in how they deal with men vs women. I feel like they’re harsher on men. But I see some women saying they’re harsher on women. With women it gets weird and they start wanting juicy details when it’s a fornication situation where we’re pausing trying to understand why they need to know where you were touched, what position, etc. With men it seems they’re quick to DF and the conversations just seem so much more aggressive. Men seem to be seen as more of a threat.
Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely. that is how I heard it.
You are on point
So true of the GB!
Very powerful insight about the three different groups of men in the congregation. My husband is 48 now. We pioneered for 14 years. He was always just on the verge of being appointed but this or that ridiculous reason was given as an excuse to wait a little longer. Basically there was always some elder wanting to play games and throw his weight around and make him suffer. Just ridiculous politics. But it crushed my husband’s spirit - Made him feel like he was useless and unloved by Jehovah because he was always trying so hard and being rejected. It was one of the many things that helped us to wake up. So many men in their 30s 40s and 50s suffered because of being blackballed. This is an interesting new dynamic to throw into all of that.
Yep. See my comment on this video
This generation is so different. They aren't interested in organized religion. This generation isn't as "submissive" as the previous situation. Then another problem which was an issue with my husband. He wanted to reach out but the old heads didn't want to help him bc they were intimidated by him because of his skill (technology savvy, internet savvy). I agree with lady cee it's very disrespectful to a brother in his 30s or 40s who has been "reaching out" but a 20 year become a servant and then elder?! I know for myself I was 3rd generation but I look at my GMA she is faithful 89 years but I just don't see that for myself. So I left. Having a judicial meeting with a 20 year or 22 year isn't going to sit well. He is still wet behind the ears 🤣
This letter is so encouraging to fading persons like myself. Since the start of covid I have had 2 dozen friends leave and none of these people were on the ‘fringe’ they were all elders, servants, pioneers, & ldc workers. I think the wheels are finally starting to fall off! Praise be 🙏
Wow 24 people? Thats a lot. I know at least ten off the top of my head.
I know several allso. It just falling apart
This is so encouraging to hear. Where I live I only know of 3 of us who have left. It is sad how many people stay. Glad to hear there are other places where people are waking up and leaving.
Yes they are falling off
@@rosiej.1473 maybe this is what Splane was talking about areas with a lot of “apostate” activity. I know a couple in my area, but things can change quickly now the blinkers are starting to come off.
Great stuff. Those old time elders have to see how much the organization has changed in 20 years. They are now just like the religion they preached against back then.
Poke
Now you have made a powerful point
Thanks
Jt
I Think soon we will start givin the Catholic a run for there money in how many Babies gonna be Baptiste😁 I feel new light from brother Morris coming soon om the subject 😬.
Things Fall Apart.
I just don't envision a rebirth of the organization.
Because especially within the past 30 years there seem to be a downard spiral which appears to be unstoppable.
This information IS profound, on so many levels. I’m 68, and I could not even imagine a 22 year (I have a 22 yr old GRANDDAUGHTER) old elder counseling me about life in general , or discussing sexual matters (I have sons approaching their 50’s!!!). This would take great humility and taking it up the a$$ as an aged one in that org. We can certainly see the domino affect taking place in the downfall in this awful organization. Thank you JT and Lady Cee for bringing this to us! I appreciate you both!
Yes this will have a profound effect on so many sad to say.
Since you have children in this age group you know full,well they are NOT “older men” at that age
This is such a sad commentary on the org so many of us gave decades of unquestioning loyalty to
Thanks for your personal exp
Jt and Lady Cee
🤣😂🤣
I’m glad you read out what you put on the screen because a lot of times I’m listening to your podcasts while driving and don’t have the luxury of looking at the screen. No need to apologize for reading for what’s on screen. It’s helpful to people who can only listen.
Thanks Lady Cee is always saying. We can’t forget the folks on podcast. LOL
We got you guys covered on podcast as well
JT
@@ExJWCriticalThinker Between the Jehovah's witnesses and all different churches including exjws which one are true Christians according to the Bible??????????
@@vusimngomezulu2500 “True Christians” are everywhere. Dispersed thru all denominations. Jesus is the truth and all denominations are wrong. Follow Jesus not a denomination. Also exjw’s are not a denomination.
@@olmeckrav Is that from the Bible Psalms 119:105,2thimoty 3:16-17,or is that from you own opinion Roman's 10;2-3??????????
@@olmeckrav Thank you! Well said. I was thinking the same thing.
I also wonder if this is another tactic to keep younger couples from leaving. The added responsibility keeps people from addressing their doubts, especially if they are too busy to stop and think.
I left in 1996'saw this coming back then, never wanted any leadership role, I wanted a peaceful existence not power.
Yep that year cracks started to appear. Most Young jws i talked to hade no interest in spiritual goals. Ofcourse Watchtower sees elders and ms as company men. So i don't blame the kids.
I'm a little annoyed by this. When I was in my mid-20s, my elders kept dangling the carrot of appointment as a ministerial servant. However, a week after each circuit overseer's visit, I kept being told how I hadn't qualified. Now, brothers in their 20s are being appointed as elders? If I were still in, I would be so angry at this "new light."
Yes NEW LIGHT from Jehovah brother
Matt can you believe this stuff?
When we heard this I thought it was a JOKE
it’s like NOTHING is beyond these. Guys
Jt
Yes, it's going to create a lot of resentment in those who were overlooked.
yes they appnoint very young especially if your a pioneer & serve in foreign language 21/22...elder
@@auntlalanyc My 40-year-old self looks at my 22-year-old self and cringes from how naive, idiotic, and inexperienced he was. There is no way I (nor any other 22-year-old) should have been an elder.
@@matthew.datcher well it was emotional abuse, they kept showing you, you weren't good enough! I saw appointments under 25, I'm only a little older than you I'm 43. Walked way in Feb of 2017. Glad your out!! I'm like hard on myself for converting at 17...not born in. But we were young, now where older & wiser.
This is even more disastrous for them. Definitely a part of the end of them
Are saying more wheels are falling of the wagon???? Lol
Hey when were you able to get out???
Jt
I'm so glad I left this crazy organization
If my old congregation were to be led by elders in their twenties, it will be a mess. Those old resentful sisters will give them a really hard time because that's what they did with older elders.
In my old congregation guys my age 15,16,17 years old starting little local bible studies and giving 15 min bible readings were extremely cocky and entitled so no JT i can't even imagine them now at 22 years old sittinv with the judicial committee.😲 side note: i love u and lady C you guys reassured me why i left the jw i tried to show my mom you guys and we dont speak anymore that was months ago and i never miss a post i thank u guys
BINGO!!!!
we all know those types of brown nose guys
“Yes brother, yes brother anything else I can do”
We know these types of guys will be a nightmare being in control
When did you get out?
Jt
Why not Pay the Elders... Christendom pays theirs and they stay...They might feel appreciated more if they were paid.
Scott come on now! Slave labor has always been free. Lol
WT is too cheap I think
Jt
@@ExJWCriticalThinker I think that comment touch your heart my brother, since you was an Elder…but don’t worried…you and I are free from the Babylon the great… also what is in my mind and yours Jehovah and Jesus are evaluating it and that is a gift …whoever brother or sister in the WT, knowing what is right but does man’s will instead ..Jehovah will judge..
Pay? In which universe? Watchtower not be paying nobody. Watchtower be bloodsuckers.
How is brother Morris gonna have whisky money then? Dang you cold 😋
Watchtower shut down meetings and the preaching work. What do they even need anybody to serve for? there’s nothing to serve for. Besides- the economy is tanking and it’s gonna taken even worse. Men don’t have time for this.
Watchtower is finished.
If this goes into effect this will anger many older brothers who have waited a long time to finally become elders, along with some older brothers who kept getting turned down from becoming an elder.
Bingo
The answer to the question is simple. It's easier to manipulate a younger person because than are more naive then an older person because they are more wiser. That's it really go after the younger ones because we can fool them but the older ones they know what's up.
Bingo!
JT always cracks me up with his “elder” tone and cadence! 🤣 I remember back in the 1990s, many young brothers were not reaching out. The ones still in their teens were being groomed by the older generation, while there were very few in their 20s. They were either never baptized, disfellowshiped, or MIA.
Hey man just keeping it real
Did you every think in the US Branch the org would be down to the Bench warmers as elders?
O when did you leave ?
Jt
@@ExJWCriticalThinker I left in 2003, but I still believed until 2008. It's a long story, to say the least!
Thought I was the only one. JT's awesome nonetheless
He does talk like he was somebody’s elder!😂😂😂❤
So interesting thing. I started listening to you guys as a fundamentalist Christian. I have since learned I was in a cult myself. But that thing with the older people being “worn out” was definitely my experience as a kids pastor. When I asked them to volunteer they will say things like “I did my time” like wow, is it a sentence? 😬 but I GET IT now
Oh wow! Thanks for sharing!!!
I would also argue that a leadership crisis exists at the governing body level. We can list a number of contributing factors such as, group think, poor creativity, inadequate public relations skills, etc . It still baffles me that a multi-billion org couldn't devise a successful strategy to deal with expose` in this tech information age. One of their sick responses was to publicly (at an annual convention) teach how to shun family members who conscientiously question certain matters. Big mistake! Akin to discarding a car, because of a problem we care not to fix. Some caring shepherds, they are (not). The leadership desperation merely echos down to the congregation level. Thanks for your insight.
Leslie that’s a really great observation… I want to know more about the teaching about shunning questioning, only thing I remember was Morris discouraging higher education at the broadcast
Im so happy for you my new brothers in Jesus waking up to the true Jesus Christ Son of God.
Hallelujah
Amen
I have to wonder to what degree the "older elders" are going to cooperate with this arrangement....i foresee a lot of Young Brothers with daggers in their backs... meteoric rise and ......fall...
How about the way the org threw those elders under the bus in the child abuse case in the midwest. The elders are told to break the law then "Jehovah" doesn't even help them avoid jail time.
With younger elder it will be much easier as welll
Hi Mr T.
Something that was not talked about . You could actually make a part two to this . There is a high number of brothers in the organization that used to serve as elders . That no longer serve and have no desire to serve again. In my congregation alone. There are 9 brothers who used to serve as elders. These brothers ate in good standing ,
Have no desire to serve and are layed back now. This is a growing problem. And getting bigger.
My father has been studying since his early 20s, hes now early 50s. I think hes only ever been a MS and mic carrier. I know hes always wanted to be an elder but has never been appointed, but yet, he is always the brother everyone is told to call when they need manual labor to move, or appliances disposed of, or to BBQ for EVERY FUNCTION pre covid. I thinks its in part the congressional elders feel he doesnt have what it takes to shepherd because hes a genuine guy with compassion for others and having grew up in a lot of trouble and turned his life around; hes boubd to show compassion for people that stumble. Also i think the other half is they have brainwashed the spouse (my mom) to snitch on everything he does that she feels or is told "potential elders" dont do. Case in point, my father drinks. Not to excess and he works hard and looks forward to his saturday drink and bbq. Because the congressional elders "dont do that" (LIES) she constantly tells the brothers and i think hes been tainted by that. Otherwise, good God fearing man who wouldn't hurt a fly. hes not good enough for the Jeehovers. So, i can imagine him beating himself up inside when younger men hes seen grow up in the congregation surpass him. Its truly a shame. Great talk Lady c and JT, Love yall!
I’m sorry to hear what you said but it happens too much
They will USE YOU , your. Time and your money but never allow you to join them in leadership role
How long have we had elders?
Why does it take till 2022 for elders to find out they needed to mentor other males ??
Jt
There's another issue. The PIMOs are aware of what's going on in court rooms all around the world. They are seeing the possibility of elders being held personally responsible for following watchtower's bad legal advice. Who; in their right mind, would want to reach out for any responsibility which may land them in prison or sued? Who would volunteer to take on this enormous liability for free? You'd have to be out of your mind to put yourself in that situation.
Excellent point
Thx
Ozie, totally agree. There is no interest by these men and like you mentioned they don't want to be caught up in any mess with going to court or being sued knowing wt will not have their back. Back in the day there was a lot of men who would be the first to say they had no interest in having any responsibility.
There only course of action is to rebrand admit the truth, apologize, and modernize.
At last someone gets to the point ! admit “jehova” was only ever a company name, scrap the watchtower, get rid of the name Jehovah’s witnesses, admit that there’s no Armageddon and last days to worry about, destroy all watchtower publications, turn all remaining K halls into fast food franchises. Have I forgotten something? The 8 charlatans ! Rapture them off to heaven ! They find that their god has left heaven along with his son. Permanently. It’s become a Ghost town…
When they say growing in relationship with Jehovah they mean growing in relationship with the watchtower. The watchtower makes themselves Jehovah. I just overheard a zoom meeting talking about young people not reaching out for "money" in which they mean higher education and reconsider their steps to serve "Jehovah". Their focusing on Proverbs 22:6 in order hold youths into the organization before they can begin to wake up.
Watchtower always want to USE somebody when it benefits Them.
You are on point!!!
Jt
TIMBER... the Jehovahs witnesses tower is coming down !
Never was a JW but always had a heart burden for them and witness freedom in Christ to them (have a large collection of WT back to early 1900s too) anyhow I've hoped and prayed to see the total collapse of this organization... when will the GB cash out... take the money and run? When will we have another high level defection ala Ray Franz who does a tell-all?
When does the decline of leadership and consolidation of halls reach critical mass and the great crowd get tired of being slaves?
I have really felt the past several years that I could very well see it in my life!
Love you guys. Great work as always. God bless :)
i remember years ago a talk at an assembly saying they needed more men coming in the truth i just remembered that it's been years since been in it so yeah
Being chastised by a 21 year old.. Ain’t no damn way!
🤣🤣 I feel you sister. We will slap him silly. You on the left and I on the right.
The Mormons give out name badges with "elder" on it....
@@thumbstruck Badge of mormon honour. It massages their communal egos. Humans thrive on that type of shit.
@@cherylseebreth328 Humans tend to seek social context rather than relationship with God.
@@thumbstruck Well said!
This is so interesting. I was born and raised abroad as a JW. In my home country brothers as young as 18 would be appointed elders, tho most commonly early to mid-twenties. Sisters handled territory cards and reading at book study as needed.
Yes that has been the case in some areas for years due to simply not having anyone
But when your LARGEST BRANCH in the world is struggling and it’s due to no interest by those males in the hall that is profound
That is what we are seeing
In some halls you have PLENTY MALES but no zeal or excitement
Folks are tired
Jt
And here in the US the average, rank and file JW had no clue sisters had these responsibilities in other countries. The org certainly never publicized it. Most brothers are tired. Burnt out. The sisters are too. Everyone is sick of this mess. It’s all about the strength and courage to quit. It depends on air and opportunity. That’s IT.
Lawd have mercy😂😂 the sisters choice and quality for a good brother dropped dramatically. Next letter will introduce sister-wives🤣🤣🤣
Lmao!!!!!!!
Thanks JT and Lady Cee! It’s apparent the WT continues to lose young people as they have little to zero interest in serving this manipulative and controlling religion. They want a career and enjoy their lives. They don’t want to be stuck attending meaninglessness meetings and knocking on doors for the rest of their lives.
So glad my two sons, 19 & 20 are out of an organization that would just use them up & not care.
With 20s running the judiciary will be more than a disaster of the highiest order.🙆🏾
They obviously need to make Women Elders. Women took the lead in Bible times and "Elder" means Older, it does not specify gender.
The reason why they want the young is not because they're in the best shape physically, it's because they're in the worst shape mentally 🤔⛈
@13:20 i love JT’s elder impressions! hahaha
The Australia branch are opening up for JW to go back to KH possibly in March but only starting with regional areas as they have constantly said depends on what the Gov says. As it sits with churches they are not allowing the un vaxed to attend so will have to wait and see but most JW I know are fully and what classifies fully vaxed depends on ever changing rules as some States require boosters.
Thanks for the info
@@ExJWCriticalThinker An elder told my brother.
I never bought into the idea of the religion going completely online. From here on out I foresee a zoom/in person hybrid set up. Some prefer zoom while others are anxious to get back to the KH.
I don't know. Latest video from Watchtower. Saw kim mikey channel. Org was worried abouth the trials they hade with pilot program opening up some KHs. They detected rise of convid in does attending meetings. I think its just bull so they can continue With zoom. Regular chuches having meeting regulary for years. They don't complain abouth raising convid cases.
Excellent perspective on the topic of elders, meaning elder and older men in the community/ congregations, because even in the bible scriptures say that the apostles of Jesus christ even turned to the elders older men on their advice on serious situations,
Not meaning the younger men, meaning they older men in the community, and they are the apostles,
I remember a most depressing scene some years ago in Mississippi. I was delivering a car to a client. I had brought in the car from Florida. I googled the nearest Kingdom Hall because I had the habit of doing this when I arrived at a new town with a car to deliver. I wanted to meet new brothers. When I got to the googled location, it was no longer a Kingdom Hall but a funeral home. I asked the employees what became of the KH. They told me some years ago, it was shut down by senior leadership in the ORG. Reason being is that for years the only ones attending were elderly JWs who had no leadership, no actual meeting, NOTHING. These elderly few would just go the KH sit in the seats and do nothing. There were no young ones to conduct the meetings. How sad as I imagined those old JWs just sitting there. The employees told me it was sad to watch. TRUE STORY!!!
Great Job 👍 Family keep up the Good work
Just keeping it real
When did you leave?
Jt
@@ExJWCriticalThinker left Dec 1999
Excellent video! Exactly what has been happening. The favoritism & nepotism works for those longing for some "power" over others. I know many who were like this. Some elders kids were the worst. Now they are power-wielding control freaks. Problem is - their children want nothing to do with it. They lure them back in with "you can be an elder". For some it works. Where I'm from, race also played an issue. I love these videos exposing the WT for what it is- a business ran by men under the guise of a religion serving God.
Can you imagine having a 19 yr old boy counseling you on marriage or child rearing when he's never even been on a date or changed a diaper before? Haha.
At 19, 20, 21, the young man can't even pee properly in the bowl.
Another superb and entertaining analysis, JT and Lady Cee! Obviously, WT time is marked off by “tick tock, flip flop, tick tock, flip flop….” 🤡😵🤫🤥
I especially enjoy all those analogies and comparisons! “Look at the 21 year old young man just got married…he’s an older man getting married” LOL🤣!!! And the "tikes" as elders picture, OMG absolutely hilarious!!!🤣😂🤣
I knew a fellow who’d got into some marital issues when he was around 40ish. The “elders” wanted to meet with him and one of them was in his 20’s. The guy was like “no way, don’t need advice from a 20+ kid about my marriage!”
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Younger brothers have eyes and ears. When things don't add up, that's it. The adventist movement was tied to the miscalculations of Miller and others. Darby's charts of dispensations look crazy now, in light of growing understanding of history. A narrow and restricted view of the Scriptures severely stunts personal growth. Millions then living died. The NT identified the "last days" with the times it was written. Christianity: love God with your whole existence, show that love by how you deal with others, don't be afraid of death.
After serving for 10 years
and seeing the corruption in the 2 Bodies of Elders I served along with I asked myself 1 question,
"Where does it say in the Bible that Elders and Minestrial Servants are appointed by Holy Spirit?"
I searched the Scriptures relentlessly until I realized Acts 6:1-6 especially verse 3 is where the so called
"appointed by Holy Spirit"
stems from.
When I recognised that it is just a saying but not actually done by Holy Spirit well The Scales fell from my eyes so to speak and I went full throttle into testing every thing that was taught from Watchtower until I came across Jesus Christ our Lord not being The Mediator for all men to God.
Well I immediately left when I saw that.
My Faith and Salvation rests on our Lord Jesus Christ. The whole reason for being able to approach Jehovah God Almighty and receive mercy and Salvation is because of Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ps
And Yes JT and Lady you guys are spot on. The corruption of favouritism nepotism etc. Many younger men are saying nooooo way. And don't care to be Elders Ministerial Servants etc.
My thought is they cant prove that they are anointed...🤷🏾♀️
@@smalltownqueen5574
Lol.
All Christians have received an anointing From God through Christ.
We all have access to the Holy Spirit.
Watchtower uses 2 Corintians 1:21 to say they are Anoited/Consecrated by God.
However when we read from verse 12-22 we will see the true context of the letter to the Corintians.
Paul explained his dealings with the Congregation of Corinth was always honest and straightforward never deceitful. Especially with regards to coming to the Congregation with his Companions.
Read it carefully and use other Translations to confirm the context of what was written. 👍
You knocked it out of the park
Great personal life exp you related
Thz for sharing
Jt
@@ExJWCriticalThinker
Glad I can give my 2 cents to help others.
MG.
I have seen many a “golden child” crash and burn. I’ve also seen when they are right at the threshold and want to spill the beans but can’t. My nephew (by marriage) is still a golden child serving in Asia somewhere with his wife. He was at Brooklyn bethel in the early 2000s. He was in his early 20s and on the fast track. Came from huge JW family (my ex husband’s people) I remember us having a convo about a “new arrangement” - no longer announcing ppl as DF’d or DA’d but using the crafty wording “no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”. My gullible, naive, indoctrinated self thought this was just another “loving provision from Jehovah to protect his people”. As a beloved young “organization man” he knew better. He smoothly explained it was because the society was being sued by people who’d been announced from the stage. I also remember him telling me that the book “commentary on the letter of James” was no longer used along with a few other books because they were written by “a brother who left the organization and wrote a book about the org”. Again Ms. Indoctrinated at the the time - I had ZERO clue what he was talking about. I now know he was talking about RAYMOND FRANZ - Crisis of Conscience. That convo was early 2000s. I left 11 years later and connected the dots of that conversation 2 years after I left. 13 years later!! He was giving me hints (even though he couldn’t make a move) and I didn’t pick up on it until 13 years later. Now I often think about that convo and he’s still in the org - in Asia somewhere with his wife. It’s no telling what they are really doing over there now. Esp in this pandemic era. That was early 2000s. He’s in his early 40s now. There is no way the average 20 year old is about to get suckered in. They are not buying what they selling!! Not in 2022.
And another thing (lol 😂🤣) I think about some of the more proud & haughty and gossipy “friends” - they are not about to listen to a 20 year old virgin (no pun intended, well, pun intended 🤣) even if “the love of the greater number has cooled off” and this is “Jehovah leading the organization even if it doesn’t make sense” (didn’t that fool Tony Morris say that?! It was him or goofball Steven Lett.) I love when a Critical Thinker vid drops! Thanks y’all! This hit close to home!! I’m looking at my burnt out 70 year old elder father with no capacity to do basic life bcz the org has him on a hamster wheel! I’m soooo curious to see how he handles this new directive!
🙄🤪They want to add and remove from their elder book🤦🏽♀️
Their bad habit of adding and removing.
For example, they completely removed the following scriptures from current NWT, but you can find it in 1984 and older versions just by checking the online JW Library. Mark 16:9-19 John: 8:1-12
Great video guys as always. This month will be my 6 year anniversary of getting out of this organization. So glad I’m out. I never told older elder all my things, now with babies 👶 don’t think so 🤦🏻♂️
Congrats on your anniversary to freedom from Watchtower.
Excellent analysis JT and Lacy C.
For watchtower to hint at appointing young brothers is a joke. It would only see the young brothers on an ego trip to avail themselves of such a position. Fortunately it would not be the vast majority of the young brothers.
When I was a JW, you could spot the young ones who crave such power and glory and would do anything to become an elder or MS.
They need to start appointing sisters if they are to continue. After all the vast majority of people who are joining the religion are women. I’m sure there are scriptures they can find to justify doing it.
When I was a teenager in Jamaica, I and a few other sisters use to be on sound and literature duties due to lack of brothers.
This will be a hot mess. This young elder told me I would not see my brother in paradise bc I didn’t married a witness. My brother pass away ten years ago at age 13. He apologizes the next time he saw me but I didn’t accept his apology.
WT is going to need to build some robot brothers to stand in 😂 roboelders, it be perfect the GB can control them remotely from NY
Exactly! That’s what they really need. Some of them act like robots & those are the ones they use the most, like the governing body helpers. (RoboRob,for example) 😂
After watching GB give talks, i thought they were robots 😁😁
Just go to aconvention and see how large the elderly and infirmed section is. The religion is old it has no able bodied people left.
Part of my wake up was a toxic 28 year old cobe that screwed up a lot congregation wise then ran away to bethel. So its a good wake up
Happy new year to you JT an Lady Cee they must be really feeling the pinch of elders leaving as people are starting to wake up and JT you are so right on that they are feeling it and the water is drying up
Peter Mcgregor.
🤞that there is a Bone-Dry Drought ahead! 👏👏👌...⌛...⚰👏👏👏🤝
Hi I am an ex-JW who lives in South korea, I always feel grateful for your channel,
I want you to remember that a group of ex-jw korean people is listening to and supporting you
No more book studies (lack of volunteered homes?), shorter meeting times, shorter assemblies and conventions, less congregations (selling KHs and assembly halls). "All the 'less' as you behold the day drawing near". Add up all of the baptism numbers from after WW2 until 2K, the numbers should be way higher than what is seen.
beginning of the end
It is not good for them
Jt
I never accepted any title offered to me, which pissed off the elders immensely.
How dare you snub Jehovah Efrain?
@@cherylseebreth328 - I know, right? Bad, Efrain!
The other strategy that the Org will be forced to do, is pay elders, and sponsor visas for elders in foreign lands; that will exactly the way other churches. I think if this gets worse, this will be the only strategy. Paying elders will be very expensive, this means that the will only be one paid brother, that will be the begining of pastor position.
That's not happening! They're too stingy and they have very poor international reputation. They'll be scared to do it. The visa interview will wake up the brothers 😬
It just keeps getting better. 😆
They're hurting. Great activism such as yours is killing them slowly. 👍🥰
Thz
Because of the nepotism practiced in the congregations in Puerto Rico, I saw elder's kids appointed as Ministerial Servants as early as 18.
Efrain Rivera, I observed the same thing in Germany: Nepotism and favoritism!
@@madamecurious - They don't lie when they say that the Organization works the same way worldwide. 🤣
@@EfrainRiveraJunior lol 😂 that’s right!!!
Sounds like the organization is looking like the Baltimore Ravens this season. Gone down to 3rd string! Great illustration JT!
Great point
One reason they might prefer to promote a young brother verses an older one who has been wondering for years why he hasn’t been promoted to Elder, is because the young one is more likely to be a YES man. That’s what they want. A brother who will do everything they say and not question things.
Yes indeed
Jt
Not the YES MEN team
Great point
Jt