Destiny 2: Datto's Thoughts on the End Game Experience

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  • @comicsams5399
    @comicsams5399 5 лет назад +88

    It’s really weird looking back on this after forsaken. Now that we actually have things to do in the endgame it feels like “how did we put up with this bullshit for a year”

    • @raven75257
      @raven75257 3 года назад +3

      How Beyond Light feels? :)

    • @wiiintah
      @wiiintah 3 года назад +4

      @@raven75257 Fine. Waaaaay better than Vanilla lol.

    • @Sohelanthropus
      @Sohelanthropus 3 года назад +2

      It was fine, only thing that needed changing was random rolls, a bit deeper armor mod system and Triumphs/Grimoire
      Other than that, Sandbox, gameplay and activity wise it was perfect

  • @RalfGameZ
    @RalfGameZ 7 лет назад +353

    I totally agree with you Datto . Currently at 295 without mods and I've completed the raid and played a bunch of Trials. Once you complete everything for the week you're just sitting stagnant until the next reset. After that it seems like the only thing you can do is do public events/Crucible without any significant reward.

    • @Young_wolf3711
      @Young_wolf3711 7 лет назад +3

      Ralf how it is for me and I did this weeks nightfall once cause it is cancer and I only did the raid once cause I can never get a team I wish there was more to do I love this game

    • @cChristopheRDon
      @cChristopheRDon 7 лет назад +7

      Play other games bro! Plenty of fantastic games out there!

    • @jbowman1018
      @jbowman1018 7 лет назад +16

      Christopher Don the thing is that wasn't generally as much of a problem in D1. Especially post ttk. There were exotics worth grinding for. There were legendaries worth grinding for a god roll. That's all gone. There are a few good weapons. Maybe two good exotics. The rest is infusion fuel. When you don't need infusion fuel anymore there's no real reason to play.

    • @renclav
      @renclav 7 лет назад

      well, enjoyment as a reward is a thing for me... in pvp at least :)

    • @NeoKurow
      @NeoKurow 7 лет назад +2

      I don't play PVP and my weekly activities are basically flashpoints, nightfall, strikes and Ikora missions. For me that is enough for a couple of days and then maybe if I have time I will try the Raid with some friends. More of my friends are family men now and they don't have enough time to play the game anymore.

  • @deluxebulls5939
    @deluxebulls5939 7 лет назад +216

    whats the point of a loot based game if there's no grinding

    • @stefanoneil6937
      @stefanoneil6937 7 лет назад +6

      Bugsy and all the loot is rubbish.

    • @TheJadeBunny
      @TheJadeBunny 7 лет назад +10

      Stefan O'Neil well that is what happens when you make every gun the exact same. It just guarantees that certain guns will rain supreme. The thing that was nice about D1 is that even when those guns like thorn, sauros, clever dragon and many others were really powerful, there were always guns that you could use to counter them. May it be god roll or just it feeling comfortable. When everything is the same for everyone you loose the reason to find a gun you truly like. Instead people will just use the best gun in the game because nothing comes close to their strength. I think the way trials has been these last two weeks is very evident. Why would you use any gun other than the mida? What sucks the most is there are some really neat guns that feel fun to use, but you try to take it into the crucible and you get shredded by the same guns over and over. All through D1 I used the same exact exotic. Bad juju. It was never really meta nor was it ever out of meta. I enjoyed that gun completely and in those times where thorn was strong, I still could get first place on my team in crucible because I found a gun that fit me. Now there is no reason to explore guns. There are so many cool exotics that just live in the shadows of the obviously godly weapons. There is a secondary pulse rifle that shoots black holes for fucks sake. How cool is that, but when up against the mida than you are at an instant disadvantage

    • @MrMamapoto
      @MrMamapoto 7 лет назад

      Agree 100% that's my whole thing

    • @jasonmarcus1683
      @jasonmarcus1683 7 лет назад +3

      I dunno, I play destiny because I enjoy it and the 'rewards' to me are that I had a good time. The grind in D1 actually made me dislike the game more than anything. It kind of made D2 less enjoyable as a result.

    • @jasonmarcus1683
      @jasonmarcus1683 7 лет назад +3

      +Cameron Wolfe Eh... what? The meta of only a few guns existed in D1 and it exists in D2. The difference is... this time there will be very few players (very unlucky players) who did not manage to get the 'meta' guns. I'd say that's a good thing. In D1 there were times when I wondered why should I bother with Pvp? I try to play regular crucible, trials, or the iron banner and as it turns out I do not have the meta guns to compete effectively. And as a result I get gunned down by less skilled players... Besides that, grinding endless hours for that god roll and often times doing activities I don't particularly enjoy is a terrible design. I simply want to enjoy the crucible... is that so much to ask? I don't want an endless stupid grind for that god tier bullshit weapon. You will always have meta weapons... they existed before and they exist now.

  • @beny.9631
    @beny.9631 7 лет назад +225

    Datto, thanks for your coverage and honest feedback of Destiny 2. I hope things are well.

    • @ryanbarker3978
      @ryanbarker3978 7 лет назад

      Amen to this. Honestly, I'm finding his, Holtzman's, and others' streams/videos more engaging than the actual game itself.

  • @miguelherrera7391
    @miguelherrera7391 5 лет назад +38

    Watching this back after two years and Shawdowkeep being released.... god the game was so bad, we’ve come a long way boys

    • @ethanhensley9355
      @ethanhensley9355 2 года назад

      still sucks :/

    • @Pokanika
      @Pokanika Год назад +4

      Ah yes, when every weapon had pre selected rolls, the crucible was boring to watch, exotics were mundane, no challenge except the raid and nightfalls, 2 primaries, heavy snipers, shottys, and fusions, no builds, and barebones stats. Safe to say that I'm still happy with the current state of the game despite issues.

    • @ImSkips._
      @ImSkips._ 8 месяцев назад

      3 months before Final Shape releases

    • @HayaNews
      @HayaNews 4 месяца назад

      @@ImSkips._3 weeks after final shape released??

  • @marceletta
    @marceletta 7 лет назад +90

    **Opens up D1**
    *"Well, I still never got that god rolled Pali."*
    *"Nor did I solo Oryx challenge mode. Time to get to work."*

    • @jamescarrotcsl8
      @jamescarrotcsl8 3 года назад +3

      4 years later I got the god roll pali :)

    • @marceletta
      @marceletta 3 года назад +2

      @@jamescarrotcsl8 :)

  • @thee0ryx939
    @thee0ryx939 7 лет назад +460

    I dont understand why they dont have strike specific loot though because that added something to each strike that was good for hardcore or casual alike

    • @unscvitzadrian1681
      @unscvitzadrian1681 7 лет назад +26

      The Sentinel Just like he said in the video. If you put rng based strike specific loot in the game you would have to grind for it and according to bungie that isn't fun for casuals thus it won't be in the game.... yaaaay :)))))

    • @Facelauss
      @Facelauss 7 лет назад +14

      The Sentinel probably because you can’t just que up individual strikes from the map like in d1 :/ I agree with you though

    • @unscvitzadrian1681
      @unscvitzadrian1681 7 лет назад +9

      FacelessEmperor Another weird thing... why can't you select individual strikes? Because it would add something to the game and probably somehow confuse casuals. I really don't like this philosophy and am more than a little disappointed they cling to it as hard as they do.

    • @Wolfi3TheFox
      @Wolfi3TheFox 7 лет назад +14

      Man I remember finding out about the Theosyion Vibrissae gauntlets for the warlock back on D1 and making it my mission to get them and remembering the feeling of accomplishment when I finally got them after running the echo chamber strike for multiple days

    • @thee0ryx939
      @thee0ryx939 7 лет назад +4

      Yeah Im just a little bored with nothing to do in the game. Its great for casuals but shallow for hardcore players

  • @I2dios8
    @I2dios8 7 лет назад +113

    Honestly The Taken King is probably better than Destiny 2 atm.

    • @bdpbernz622
      @bdpbernz622 7 лет назад +7

      Itudios2 Easily better than D2. Everything about ttk was on point the music, the weapons the extra classes, even the lore(book of sorrows) was dope as fak!!! Gotta say I'm pretty upset with the way D2 is looking in the long run

    • @kseries1981
      @kseries1981 7 лет назад

      Sadly, i agree.

    • @cyro5471
      @cyro5471 7 лет назад +2

      Itudios2 when TTK came out I didn't like it (being a HC year 1 player), however I slowly appreciated how much it added to the game, with the new strikes and new enemies, to the different weapon perks and a great story. The raid was more challenging than Crota, and was actually more fun (still can't beat VOG though)...

    • @Covers-and-Commentary
      @Covers-and-Commentary 7 лет назад

      Sadly it's true and I've been here since year 1

    • @Rainebowes
      @Rainebowes 7 лет назад

      sorry if im not in the loop but doesnt it make sense for an expansion to be better than a base game?

  • @ryanbarker3978
    @ryanbarker3978 5 лет назад +45

    Interesting recommendation for late 2019.

  • @simond.6197
    @simond.6197 7 лет назад +35

    It's not impossible to entertain the casual crowd and deliver a somewhat meaningful grind.
    A good modsystem would be a start. Armor could have 3 slots, 2 for Resilience, Mobility and Recovery Mods and 1 "utility" mod like reduced recoil, faster reload, more ammo etc. Maybe give raid armor a 4th raid specific slot (Run faster during gauntlet, harder to spot in the gardens, increased resilience while you stand on a plate during baths.)
    I've had really high expectations for the lore this time around. I thought they want to make it more accessible by putting it into the game especially for the new players. But new players have probably no idea wtf is going on. Even people who are interested in the lore need content creators like byf to catch and understand most of it. They could have put a lore bible in the game. Do stuff to unlock nodes and reward us with short videos like the TTK subclass ones, concept art etc. There are so many topics to cover: Golden Age, The Collapse, Races (Society, Enemys, Armory, Leadership, History), Exotics, everything that happend during D1 etc.
    I see so many wasted opportunities it really pains me.

  • @poke90total
    @poke90total 7 лет назад +641

    Datto your vids are freaking amazing

  • @ledzep1023
    @ledzep1023 3 года назад +3

    Looking at this video from post Beyond Light and a season before Witch Queen. It’s crazy to think that this was an actual time in Destiny 2. What a dark time this was

  • @Adam_Toth3
    @Adam_Toth3 7 лет назад +261

    Datto you should do a video on Year 1 Destiny vs Destiny 2.

    • @dewdusmaximus7692
      @dewdusmaximus7692 7 лет назад +1

      ^This.

    • @nickrata8796
      @nickrata8796 7 лет назад +3

      Adam Toth destiny 2 is way better than y1 destiny without a doubt

    • @basharjack2798
      @basharjack2798 7 лет назад +6

      Nick Rata are you on drugs?

    • @rudenavy
      @rudenavy 7 лет назад +5

      Nick Rata year 1 was the most fun for me

    • @YarpenZ64
      @YarpenZ64 7 лет назад

      Cameron Anderson Exactly this.

  • @camk25
    @camk25 7 лет назад +271

    I don't understand why Bungie dumbed down the class spec system

    • @dylanmiller1140
      @dylanmiller1140 7 лет назад +9

      CamSK IMO the classes are better I feel like each build and subclasses feels cooler and each perk impacts me when playing more.

    • @solus991
      @solus991 7 лет назад +21

      Ikr skill trees split my favorite perks into different areas

    • @zachattack6385
      @zachattack6385 7 лет назад +30

      CamSK because they made the game for casuals

    • @roman-yt2893
      @roman-yt2893 7 лет назад +1

      CamSK balance

    • @joshual3376
      @joshual3376 7 лет назад +2

      Datto literally just explained why...

  • @Jack-tg9qm
    @Jack-tg9qm Год назад +3

    Seeing this 5 years later made me realize how much the game has actually gotten MORE mmo/rpg-like. They completely changed course from the launch of the game. I recently restarted my titan to see what the new player grind is like and boy is it a daunting task. There’s so much story content. So many abilities, armors, and weapons to get. Getting well-stated armor and well-rolled weapons takes a ton of time and materials that you have no hope of getting until you’re sufficiently able to get by with what you’ve got. Build-crafting is nuts. You get the point.

  • @asadxo
    @asadxo 7 лет назад +317

    Bruh this is so accurate holy shit.

    • @asadxo
      @asadxo 7 лет назад

      Wtf 319 likes nice to see so many people agree

  • @kas1967
    @kas1967 7 лет назад +6

    I'm glad someone's talking about this. I would have never expected myself to be less excited to play Destiny 2 than I was to play Destiny 1...

  • @INCNetski
    @INCNetski 5 лет назад +9

    Oh how far have we risen

  • @KWIP8581
    @KWIP8581 7 лет назад +56

    I completely agree. As a player that has put a lot into the Destiny series it seems like they have turned their backs against us. It feels like Destiny is losing its potential and what made it special.

    • @runyoudownquick5201
      @runyoudownquick5201 7 лет назад +1

      They began to lose what made them special before Vanilla came out. Joe and Marty.

    • @xreduxredx2539
      @xreduxredx2539 7 лет назад

      They made the guns pre set so when they do nerfs and buffs they can apply it onto individual guns rather than the gun type as a whole

    • @revenant7709
      @revenant7709 7 лет назад

      Destiny WAS good in Y1...every year after that it has been meh.

  • @fraynetrain1370
    @fraynetrain1370 7 лет назад +455

    I'm just disappointed in Bungies lack of creativity of the exotic weapons and armor. I also thought it was a bad idea to remove rng weapon rolls. It took out the excitement of getting your favorite weapon out of a package. No longer are you hoping for a god roll. It's always just a preset roll with nothing to be hyped for

    • @Just_some_random_name
      @Just_some_random_name 7 лет назад +11

      FRAYNETRAIN I understand why some feel the exotic armors lacks creativity, but almost all the exotic weapons are incredibly creative and unique.

    • @dylanmiller1140
      @dylanmiller1140 7 лет назад +4

      FRAYNETRAIN dude all the exotics are great and better than any D1 exotics.

    • @zachattack6385
      @zachattack6385 7 лет назад +13

      FRAYNETRAIN agreed. Once u get the weapon there's no point of getting it again

    • @jorden4343
      @jorden4343 7 лет назад +1

      FRAYNETRAIN people like you are the type to only ask for weaker weapons and changes, if you don't like it then don't play it

    • @fraynetrain1370
      @fraynetrain1370 7 лет назад +32

      GodsPerfectIdiot what are you on? D1 exotics were great compared to this shit. I've seen 4 exotic armors where the perk is "increased initial accuracy and ready speed of a specific weapon" bland as fuck IMO.

  • @BrogramFilmss
    @BrogramFilmss 7 лет назад +54

    I'm still waiting for their "April update" styled patches to come out to get us out of the content droughts like they said they would....

  • @yvibes
    @yvibes 7 лет назад +39

    100000000% agree. Every. Single. Point. Was spot on

  • @BamesonBornerson
    @BamesonBornerson 7 лет назад +265

    Hopefully this will change with dlc as the playerbase is filtered down

    • @zachfakelastname
      @zachfakelastname 7 лет назад +16

      Dorito joe if it doesn't change they are going to lose a large part of their hardcore player base

    • @lewis4402
      @lewis4402 7 лет назад +30

      MonkeyMadness 777 Sadly they arent because we, the hardcore playerbase love the game for what it could be. And that delusion will keep us playing.

    • @Nanovor4444
      @Nanovor4444 7 лет назад +15

      Lewis Palmer Not everyone is an idiot though. After all I’ve seen of Destiny 2, as D1 Vet, I’m done with the 10 year ride

    • @zachfakelastname
      @zachfakelastname 7 лет назад +6

      Lewis Palmer well they are definitely losing me. I already bought the expansion pass but if they game isn't good by then I'm done with the game. Hopefully Bethesda or gearbox release a new game xD

    • @Nanovor4444
      @Nanovor4444 7 лет назад +17

      MonkeyMadness 777 I wish someone else had came up with Destiny’s concept and executed it better

  • @eonstar2441
    @eonstar2441 7 лет назад +126

    I feel like he wanted to say the game was bad.

    • @Mufflee
      @Mufflee 7 лет назад +20

      but couldn't cause bungie would get butt hurt and not invite him to cool things or give him free shit. The new Bungie is sensitive

    • @Sam-gk6kb
      @Sam-gk6kb 7 лет назад +7

      He didn't mean the game is bad. He meant that the formula that made us all fall in love with Destiny 1 has gone.

    • @Illusive1313
      @Illusive1313 7 лет назад +1

      Sam So he said that compared to Destiny 1 Destiny 2 sucks ass which is pretty much the same statement.

  • @adamscheu4218
    @adamscheu4218 7 лет назад +261

    What I want in destiny: more Grindy stuff, it to be more like WoW, less whiny kids who complain whenever they can't get something

    • @EchoDoctrine
      @EchoDoctrine 7 лет назад +13

      Adam Scheu but maybe Bungie doesn't want you. Maybe they want all those players that want Grindy stuff to go back to WoW and then Bungie doesn't have to constantly make content and try to please two separate groups. Maybe Bungie was tired of trying to make Casuals AND hardcore grinders happy, so they made D2 just for Casuals, and the message is "hardcore grinders please leave and go grind WoW, or Final Fantasy or some MMORPG". Maybe. Just maybe.

    • @paganmin714
      @paganmin714 7 лет назад +7

      Echo Doctrine Fucking warlock mains.

    • @XerosysXBL
      @XerosysXBL 7 лет назад

      Then maybe D2 isnt for the casual player.

    • @haydenjones4548
      @haydenjones4548 7 лет назад

      Adam Scheu ;(

    • @Sacred__
      @Sacred__ 7 лет назад

      Adam Scheu kinda want a new eyasluna-esque farm. But I'm sadistic AF, I'm a glutton for pain so IDK

  • @brenstar13
    @brenstar13 7 лет назад +365

    This game is a big middle finger to their core fanbase who stuck around for 3 years and supported them

    • @taistelusammakko5088
      @taistelusammakko5088 7 лет назад +7

      Well not for me. I played destiny 1, it was fun, so i bought destiny 2 which is also fun.

    • @brenstar13
      @brenstar13 7 лет назад +27

      H e i s e n b e r g the game is fun but there is no meaningful endgame. It doesn't have the longevity that D1 had

    • @CrazyJay-nb3wg
      @CrazyJay-nb3wg 7 лет назад +9

      Brennan Eveland I agree, like, Bungie will get those super high numbers, but what happens when those casuals leave? The hardcore players will still play but eventually leave because there isn't anything to grind for. So Destiny will literally turn into a game that only has a lot of playtime when new content releases.

    • @tomoyatoko7262
      @tomoyatoko7262 7 лет назад +3

      they don't care as long as they're getting $$$

    • @EliteEpicGamerz
      @EliteEpicGamerz 7 лет назад

      Truly

  • @Hamuelin
    @Hamuelin 7 лет назад +205

    Bungie are shifting more and more to an FPS, to small, streamlined, scripted experiences, to what they know. And the more they move there, the more I fall out of love with Destiny. I see now that as much as I loved them in the past; and their ability to tell huge stories with loads of interconnected finer details, they aren’t the right studio to make the game I wanted them to make. I was wrong to hold out hope that they would work towards the original vision for Destiny. Maybe another studio can step up. Find that beautiful blend of FPS, RPG, and MMO that I’m craving, that Bungie so slightly missed. All it needs on top of that gameplay is some solid lore. Here’s hoping. And hey, maybe Bungie can do a good job on their weird, open world, not quite Halo.

    • @sosscarz
      @sosscarz 7 лет назад +12

      imagine if borderland creators took over destiny

    • @MyName_Jeff
      @MyName_Jeff 7 лет назад +8

      Sam Harrington They aren't the same Bungie as the Halo days. Bungie lost a lot of the original talent after they left Microsoft and when they made Destiny. It's best just to refer to them as Bungievision now.

    • @therealcactoos9457
      @therealcactoos9457 7 лет назад +6

      MyName Jeff Activision money grabbers are pretty much the main issue.
      If they weren't with them, the DLCs are probably going to be free, if any of you are familiar with Popcap.

    • @buffalo5862
      @buffalo5862 7 лет назад +1

      The Real Cactoos yes

    • @tbc1880
      @tbc1880 7 лет назад +2

      Sam Harrington yeah right now I'm feeling like there isn't a good fps anymore. Halo 5 is nice and fun, but I like the grind of destiny... something that is gone now.

  • @kevinlasher1198
    @kevinlasher1198 7 лет назад +77

    We’re not mad at Bungie; we’re just disappointed...

  • @OsKxShadowzZ
    @OsKxShadowzZ 7 лет назад +43

    Couldn't agree more. I put over 4,000 hours into the first destiny, hit 304 power level 10 days ago and got all the exotic weapons and hunter gear (Hunter main) and now I can't be bothered to play the game apart from the reset stuff because I need a 305 cloak and maybe the raid if I can be bothered. The game is so bland and there's literally nothing to do for us hardcore / top 1% players (well, the top 20% I guess but still), rip the grind, rip Destiny.

    • @solidicone
      @solidicone 7 лет назад +3

      Im not downing your commitment. All I am going to say is rip the over commitment to a single game. The days of having your "main game" are pretty much done at this point. For me this happened when star wars galaxies went down. I now have a rotating set of games I play all the time and its worked out really well.

    • @reidbecker479
      @reidbecker479 7 лет назад +1

      Rip ur social life

    • @HollowPs
      @HollowPs 7 лет назад

      Reid Becker can't kill what you never had.

    • @VampRoth187
      @VampRoth187 7 лет назад

      4,000 hrs. If my math is correct you'd have to play 6.5 hours on average everyday for 3 years straight to reach 4000 hours lol.

    • @Primizzle
      @Primizzle 7 лет назад

      4000 is a long time lol... It took me about a total of 40 game time hours to get 3 characters to light 400. I'm no elitist, but more of an occasional Destiny player. I've done each raid about 10 times

  • @Dras7
    @Dras7 3 года назад +4

    2017 : there will probably never be something to grind afger power cap
    2021 : grind for how much time you want (possibly infinite) for perfect armor stats and god rolls on weapons with the deepest perk pools ever.
    I’m so glad the game did a complete 180 lol

  • @DarkstarZenith
    @DarkstarZenith 7 лет назад +69

    This was a very well-written script. That being said the only truly hardcore things Bungie has ever put in the game was outbreak prime and to a lesser extent the age of triumph update. Glad I got to be apart of them since it looks as if Bungie will never return to that style of content.

    • @Sunny_Side_Up_
      @Sunny_Side_Up_ 7 лет назад +2

      DarkStarMessiah 99879 I think touch my malice was good too

    • @DarkstarZenith
      @DarkstarZenith 7 лет назад

      sunny_side_up true but imo it wasnt as convoluted as the Outbreak Prime quest.

    • @fabioesteves9271
      @fabioesteves9271 7 лет назад +1

      weren't those by the Live Team? I wasn't there for the ROI update but if it was by the Live Team then their changes would be more targeted for the people who had kept playing. I think it will occur again but atm their targeting the casuals because that is what has brought them immediate sales and they're still enjoying the game. Once there are content droughts and only the hardcore are playing, then Bungie's perspective will shift and they'll include little things like the Live Team did to try to keep us playing until the next content update.

    • @DarkstarZenith
      @DarkstarZenith 7 лет назад +1

      Fabio Esteves good point. I hope you're right.

    • @IrishLizard44
      @IrishLizard44 7 лет назад

      I get your outbreak prime style quest not being in destiny 2. I don't understand why you think a age of triumph update will not return. That was an update at the end of 3 years of content with 4 raids. They also had a year of triumph update at the end of every year. Why do you think they will not do it again?

  • @Treekco24
    @Treekco24 7 лет назад +14

    You hit the nail on the head Datto.
    Thanks for pointing out Crucible kill scoring. Assists= Kills really bother me.

    • @Dxsmp
      @Dxsmp 7 лет назад

      liam greaney same

  • @caydesmith7021
    @caydesmith7021 3 года назад +3

    It's a miracle the game survived after y1. Props to anyone who stayed with destiny 2,

  • @bonefat21
    @bonefat21 7 лет назад +93

    It's unfortunate for the majority of the people that will watch this video that the game feels catered to the people who invest the least, but as they say in business, that's business. Just like Bungie moving to PS4 for exclusives.

    • @generic4591
      @generic4591 7 лет назад +1

      bonefat21 it's anticonsumer

    • @brianisaac1804
      @brianisaac1804 7 лет назад

      bonefat21 I don't understand why this game has to cater to people with less time. They can play something else.no reason to shit on all the hardcore fans.

    • @adamasimmons3175
      @adamasimmons3175 7 лет назад

      Saying that hardcore players are basically the root of toxicity is unfounded and imo just plain wrong. Bungie has learned that sheep are easier to herd than wolves. By that I mean, the casual 2 to 3 hour a week player will play what ever Bungie throws at them and like it. The Hardcore or 3 to 4 hour a day player will know the ins and outs and have complaints. So when there are more sheep than wolves, why not cater to them, get your money and move on.

    • @rarewaifu
      @rarewaifu 7 лет назад +1

      guess its time to drop the game, oh well it was a nice ride but its now obvious about which direction theyre going

    • @Nanovor4444
      @Nanovor4444 7 лет назад

      Chaotic ϟ agreed I’m done. As a year one Vet this is disappointing

  • @robertadams8856
    @robertadams8856 7 лет назад +11

    Reused exotics and armor from d1. 13 easy achievements. No grim score. Dumbed down skill tree. I agree with everything in this video. Content droughts will still be a thing in Destiny 2. It takes a week to go through all easy content

  • @BBKDRAGOON
    @BBKDRAGOON 7 лет назад +4

    Great video Datto, thanks for the honesty. I agree on every level with all your points

  • @mvrk1864
    @mvrk1864 7 лет назад +4

    I literally could not agree with you more datto. Where is the content worth playing for the hardcore community such as myself. You can play this game casual and thats cool and all, but jf i want to progress and/or have fun as a hardcore player there is nothing there for me. Thank you datto for speaking out for us.

  • @salvucci91
    @salvucci91 7 лет назад +6

    The Grimoire score being removed was one of my biggest concerns since they announced it. Maxing out my score had insane replay value. I loved being able to mindlessly run strikes, while I listened to a podcast or something, in order to work towards Grimoire. I'm not a streamer what so ever, but I actually got in the habit at one point of trying to log hours on Twitch towards the 'Can't Stop The Signal' emblem.
    Once I have a few sets of gear decked out in the desired shaders, and I've looted every Lost Sector and Region Chest, I'm not sure what else there will be for me to do. *As a Hardcore 100% PvE player, Bungie, please give me more long-term charts to fill out and bars to fill up!*
    Also, where is our ToM-esque Exotic Quest? 🤓

  • @nitroscorner655
    @nitroscorner655 7 лет назад +3

    I honestly feel like the only person who actually enjoyed levelling up my gear in Destiny. It was super grindy, sure, but it felt rewarding once you had a complete weapon or chest piece. Unlocking the final node of Thorn, Suros Regime, or even Crest of Alpha Lupi made it so much sweeter to use that piece of gear.
    Maybe if they kept that aspect, changed how nodes were unlocked (terrible planetary materials) it would make the gear feel better than just a throw away.

    • @stebbie2881
      @stebbie2881 6 лет назад

      Nitro's Corner As a year one, vanilla destiny player, I didn't enjoy leveling up my gear through grinding for materials. If they unlocked quicker and through using them (like some equipment is!), that would be super cool. What I dislike about d2 is that everything is the same. There's zero variation. If I have crimson, somebody else has the exact same gun as me, down to the perks. I miss leveling up my abilities through using them. The intricacies of D1 were amazing. It feels like they were trying to better it, but they OVER simplified it. If you put D2 graphics on D1, that would be a game I'd play the fuck out of.

  • @sirian1132
    @sirian1132 7 лет назад +113

    Don't get me wrong, I love Destiny 2 but I feel like the endgame is kinda weak.

    • @SuperShotgun8
      @SuperShotgun8 7 лет назад +6

      Definitely, I don't get why grinding is a bad thing. You put time and effort to try and get an item and when you finally get it, it feels amazing. Like getting Gjallerhorn for the first time.

    • @happyhookerrods
      @happyhookerrods 7 лет назад

      Ian Dye yeah there's like not much to do

    • @chabotal3133
      @chabotal3133 7 лет назад

      The casuals buying the game should know what they're getting into before buying it. When my dad played D1 he didnt understand any of the tier 12 gear, he didnt work on god roll weapons, he still bought the expansion packs and just played the story and the new activities that came with them. The casuals will play the game one way or another.

    • @giantpandas572
      @giantpandas572 7 лет назад

      It’s non existent

    • @inoc6661
      @inoc6661 7 лет назад

      Jacob Chabot I totally agree. But I see why Bungie did that, as Datto says, It's to make the casuals come back after the end game, to the new expansions and it's content. Now, I really think they really left the people who have more time to play in the dust and carried on to get more money they could possibly get.

  • @Aurkin95
    @Aurkin95 7 лет назад +484

    Bungo: Should we make a good and complex end game? Activision: No fuck that we make it simple and easy. Free money bitches

    • @jpai1411
      @jpai1411 7 лет назад

      Lool the fans diserve more than that but now buying streamers and RUclipsrs it's working so we'll. I wanted a epic game but that it......

    • @cenkuygur6841
      @cenkuygur6841 7 лет назад +12

      Bungie is on the exact same level as Activision in the Blame Game.

    • @spaghettioverlord3247
      @spaghettioverlord3247 7 лет назад +1

      Jorge Paixão the fan disserve?

    • @jpai1411
      @jpai1411 7 лет назад

      Spaghetti overlord ok, thanks.

    • @devthatitan7129
      @devthatitan7129 7 лет назад

      You forgot about Blizzard

  • @samlasalle3853
    @samlasalle3853 3 года назад +2

    As someone who joined destiny 2 in season 10 I cannot believe that this is the same game. It is just so different in so many bad ways, they have really turned it around.

  • @thebasket-2229
    @thebasket-2229 7 лет назад +31

    Also exotics really dont feel special. I miss extremely different weapons like Ice breaker and the last word, Sleeper stimulate, red death, patience and time.
    Armor is the same way

    • @dobertrowneyjr.3854
      @dobertrowneyjr.3854 7 лет назад

      basketballhead99 no one misses the ice breaker after the end of year 3

  • @themightyvit5833
    @themightyvit5833 7 лет назад +22

    One more thing why are the perks on weapons automatically unlocked

    • @MattWilko3k
      @MattWilko3k 7 лет назад

      They removed the mechanic of having to level up weapons in D2.

    • @themightyvit5833
      @themightyvit5833 7 лет назад +1

      MattWilko3k That sucks

    • @KJA70
      @KJA70 7 лет назад

      The Mighty Vit he explains it in the video lol

    • @themightyvit5833
      @themightyvit5833 7 лет назад

      KJA70 oh looks like it missed it

    • @EatThePath-7
      @EatThePath-7 7 лет назад +4

      I don't think that's really a problem, it was always more of an annoyance leveling up weapons and really served no purpouse to the end result.

  • @motechamp
    @motechamp 2 года назад +1

    Watching this during Season 18 (Plunder) is really crazy

  • @villemattias
    @villemattias 7 лет назад +8

    So I've played D2 for about 10 days and I feel really bored. My best character is at ~280 power and the only things left to do are the raid, trials and prestige nightfall. After only one and a half week and I'm already sick of everything. I don't bother looking for a fireteam for raid and so on because I know there is no purpose to doing it. Just quite disappointed in the real grind not being there, I had fun still during many hundreds of hours in D1, but gonna stop playing at less than 100 for D2. Not going to spend money on DLC that'll bring me no lasting experiences.

  • @reecebutler2331
    @reecebutler2331 7 лет назад +4

    This is completely right, i've hardly played this week because im 305 and i've done almost everything. at this point im just waiting for the next dlc. it really bums me out honestly

    • @robertadams8856
      @robertadams8856 7 лет назад +1

      Reece Butler same dude my clan is already moved in from destiny 2 :( there is nothing else to do after you hit 305

  • @BOOSTkdv
    @BOOSTkdv 7 лет назад +2

    Exactly the way I feel and I haven't even hit 305 yet. Great video Datto.

  • @FuzzyKittens07
    @FuzzyKittens07 7 лет назад +116

    My endgame has always been fashion.

    • @Allomite
      @Allomite 7 лет назад

      The first thing I did after completing the story was see who gave some sick looking gear. I'm having a hard time finding robes that I really want after always wearing Voidfang Vestments in the first game. As a Voidwalker main, Wings of Sacred Dawn won't cut for me.

    • @Glock-NoThumbs
      @Glock-NoThumbs 7 лет назад

      Allomite the chest piece from Ikora is dope, philomath robe and optimacy robe from eververse are also really nice looking. The Gensym Io set is pretty lit as well

    • @SuperSilvi1990
      @SuperSilvi1990 7 лет назад +3

      LOL how's the one time use shaders working out then....

    • @FuzzyKittens07
      @FuzzyKittens07 7 лет назад +1

      USMCRiptide Not bad but could be better.

    • @voidomable
      @voidomable 7 лет назад +2

      Sure thing buddy, enjoy your brand new recolored armor from Factions Rally.

  • @GTMaxy94
    @GTMaxy94 7 лет назад +5

    It's hard to hear but everything you said it's true. I miss Destiny 1 already

  • @behnammcdelijani3898
    @behnammcdelijani3898 7 лет назад +3

    Hey man! something interesting to know is that all the named yellow bar enemies that spawn on flash point locations will grant you a rare emblem after killing them for the 10th time. I have two of the emblems right now. One is called "Gone Hunting" and you get it by killing Naktal, Fury of Savathun and the other is "C-T-A-T-O-D-L" and you get by killing the big shank that spawns at Siren's Watch public event both on Titan. Finally something cool to grind for ;)

    • @Caaeaar
      @Caaeaar 7 лет назад +1

      Behnam McDelijani is this true??

    • @behnammcdelijani3898
      @behnammcdelijani3898 7 лет назад

      David Hayes yes I'm not trolling d2.destinygamewiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Gone_Hunting&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile

  • @dylanporter8105
    @dylanporter8105 7 лет назад +25

    I feel like loot is way to easy to get, legendary and exotics no longer feel special any more and you get higher gear before ever playing the raid which you should get after not before it

    • @jasoncooke1315
      @jasoncooke1315 7 лет назад

      Dylan porter yeah cause exotics felt so special in d1 with three of coins I guess

    • @jasoncooke1315
      @jasoncooke1315 7 лет назад

      Dylan porter plus exotics in this game r either d1 exotics or there trash so

  • @hardwaytomakeit3711
    @hardwaytomakeit3711 7 лет назад +17

    Being grimoire scores bacc

  • @silverz1001
    @silverz1001 7 лет назад +1

    I loved the idea of specific challenges to be rewarded with certain items like emotes, ships, and ornaments. I know for a fact that I would hunt for 100% completion with my fireteam pals.
    Also PLEASE add 4-6 man fireteams.

  • @rockyt.2836
    @rockyt.2836 7 лет назад +7

    This man speaks to me on a personal level

  • @nathanglenday
    @nathanglenday 7 лет назад +26

    Kinda hate how easy lost sectors are. Would have beeb cool if they were not on the map and were 280 or more.

    • @electriclott
      @electriclott 7 лет назад +9

      Same. They made it sound so interesting leading up to the game. But what we got was just more of the same boring crap..same enemies ect. Nothing exciting or challenging at all.

    • @soap8949
      @soap8949 7 лет назад +4

      Lost sectors is a disappointment tbh

    • @swordofsanghelios9776
      @swordofsanghelios9776 7 лет назад

      They're easy, they're on the map, and discovering them isn't hard at all - there's a massive white sign next to them. IT's not even hard to find the entrances, as bungie put it. At least make it so that some have things you need to trigger to reveal them.

    • @EatThePath-7
      @EatThePath-7 7 лет назад +1

      They hyped up what is esentially a room full of enemies with a chest with Blue rewards inside...
      Lost Sectors either need a serious rework, or go away in favor of something else.

    • @mr.awareness3398
      @mr.awareness3398 7 лет назад

      i dont even bother doin them cause i saw them give like no important loot
      there is no more reason to play any pve activities after you got a char up to 300+ just give the new char ur weapons and an exotic you bought on the main char, play some events for 45 mins and you pretty much got ur 2. char to at least 295

  • @TylorDory
    @TylorDory 7 лет назад +18

    Let's hope to the game gods with Casey Hudson back on board at Bioware that Anthem can give us a shared world shooter experience with much deeper RPG/MMORPG elements and a much more desirable endgame. Destiny 2 trended in the complete opposite direction of what I personally would want the game to be. Even the campaign, while "better" than D1, was as shallow as the RPG and progression elements of this instalment.

    • @iSuperVamp
      @iSuperVamp 7 лет назад +3

      ahh Casey Hudson... can't thank him enough.

    • @bobbyhooten3489
      @bobbyhooten3489 7 лет назад +2

      I'm SO stoked to see how that game turns out. When I heard that Drew Karpyshyn (lead writer for Mass Effect 1&2, KOTOR) is the lead writer, it started the hype train for me.

    • @TylorDory
      @TylorDory 7 лет назад +1

      Bobby Hooten woah, I didn't know that! Thanks for adding some fuel to the engine of my hype train 😅

    • @LunaPPK
      @LunaPPK 7 лет назад

      yes do please hype up Anthem so i can somehow turn into a disappoint and we will be seein you in to comments crying about that ffs

    • @TylorDory
      @TylorDory 7 лет назад +2

      Luna Kaze because crying about people "crying" is so noble 😅. Games are subjective, people are allowed to have opinions. Just because Destiny 2 isn't the game I wanted doesn't mean it isn't what others wanted/are still excited about.

  • @kainepeterson6638
    @kainepeterson6638 7 лет назад +13

    I love how the game came out two weeks ago and people are already topped out.

    • @PenguinsAreColdish
      @PenguinsAreColdish 7 лет назад +6

      yep. haven't even played it in a week

    • @rarewaifu
      @rarewaifu 7 лет назад +3

      beat it in the first week, wasnt really that hard because again the grind wasnt that great, just beat the story line (not that hard) and run a couple of adventures/public events collect powerful gear when youre light lv 265 and bam

  • @mao_lang
    @mao_lang 7 лет назад +4

    As a somewhat hardcore D1 player and now fairly casual D2 player, I gotta say I agree with not feeling pressured at all to do a lot of end game stuff. I have some decent gear already... why bother? Plus I'm kind of a solo crucible junkie and the changes they made to turn destinys pvp to a more halo paced shooter were more than enough for me to just log on for a few hours a day and play some crucible. Is that their intention? Well I don't know. But I enjoy myself and enjoy the lack of commitment required to have fun and feel relevant still

    • @swordofsanghelios9776
      @swordofsanghelios9776 7 лет назад

      Halo had/has progression, ranking (should you want it) and a reason to try your best. Furthermore, pvp is separate from the campaign - this is a shared world, with one character you play across all activities - there needs to be a sense of progression, achievement.

  • @cgpazevedo
    @cgpazevedo 7 лет назад

    Well, I believe most of that you said was spot on. About the Luke Smith quote, about doing something about your "n Better Devils", he said in the same quote he was not sure it would make it into launch, but that they where working on it.

  • @NathanMcKitrick
    @NathanMcKitrick 7 лет назад +7

    I just feel like the "end game" arrives much too soon. I wish the grind lasted for longer than it did.

  • @IAmDomiNickolas
    @IAmDomiNickolas 7 лет назад +23

    I hate the new gear system. Static rolls in what is supposed to be an rpg is an awful idea

    • @gavo7911
      @gavo7911 7 лет назад

      +xZohannn But RNG rolls in an FPS are awful as well. Double edged sword.

    • @IAmDomiNickolas
      @IAmDomiNickolas 7 лет назад

      Choke On My Lijiang Tower true, someone could argue both ways. But bungie considers destiny an rpg, but with static rolls on all gear, there is nothing rpg about that

  • @Divide21
    @Divide21 7 лет назад +1

    Datto, my friends use play Destiny loads, and you said they will come back no matter what, that Bungie already has us. But they quit and are not coming on for Prestige Raid or future DLCs. They are completely done with the game now :( Congratz Bungie...

  • @SuperShotgun8
    @SuperShotgun8 7 лет назад +33

    Just bring back heroic strikes, let us pick what crucible mode we want to play, give us challenges/goals to give us cool shit. Like Datto said get 1000 crucible kills to get a emote or shader(s) complete 100 strikes to get this legendary item. We need goals, we need SOMETHING TO GRIND FOR
    About the "average player". Yeah it sucks if you can't go flawless but you shouldn't be given a trials gun for doing nothing you should at least have to do something for it, like play 10 games of crucible or something. Getting something for nothing is just dumb.

    • @jarfankle_8587
      @jarfankle_8587 7 лет назад +1

      SuperShotgun8 trials is cancer, D2 is cancer, There is no meaning behind it, the story is bad, the gameplay is bad, everything dissapoints me. Just add good Content is what I say.

    • @tfrancis8300
      @tfrancis8300 7 лет назад

      SuperShotgun8 I gotta agree with this I'm a potato at this game and so are my trials team for the most part and we lost a trails match 6-1 and I still got a legendary weapon like wtf. It isn't even rewarding because we did shit and we got great shit like wtf.

    • @ehide488
      @ehide488 7 лет назад

      but in destiny 1 people got legendary rewards before going flawless, I think it was like 6 wins or something

    • @SuperShotgun8
      @SuperShotgun8 7 лет назад

      Yeah, you got a armor piece for 5 wins and weapon for 7. I think that's still a better system than what's in D2

  • @GronkGames
    @GronkGames 7 лет назад +392

    Bored now myself, at 298 power and can't be bothered anymore, give me more solo content, story etc and i'll pick it up again.

    • @kaynspace8683
      @kaynspace8683 7 лет назад +26

      Azerock Gaming grind to 305 there's something for u to do

    • @jarfankle_8587
      @jarfankle_8587 7 лет назад +45

      war518 for what? How awful your reasoning is can only be fanboy logic. Stop defending dumb shit and grow a brain cell or two, and then realize you are the reason the gaming industry is down the shitter.

    • @xreduxredx2539
      @xreduxredx2539 7 лет назад +7

      Dont rush the game, it just came out. Faction ralley is coming up

    • @killdefcon1904
      @killdefcon1904 7 лет назад +20

      war518 there no point on being 305 except hard mode which isn't out yet. If being 305 meant you could kill calls faster and easier that would be one thing but with bungies damage scaling there's no point being max level

    • @xreduxredx2539
      @xreduxredx2539 7 лет назад

      Kill_ Defcon1 We have prestige mode which is the hard mode, challenge should be out soon

  • @dylanmiller1140
    @dylanmiller1140 Год назад +1

    It’s really nuts that this is the state D2 Started in

  • @ThaMago96
    @ThaMago96 7 лет назад +128

    I miss Destiny's Golden Age

    • @Ill_Y7
      @Ill_Y7 7 лет назад +15

      ThaMago taken king

    • @ThaMago96
      @ThaMago96 7 лет назад +3

      Good times

    • @Randomlyrandomnss
      @Randomlyrandomnss 7 лет назад +5

      Mr. R thats how dissapointing destiny became that ttk seem liked a huge improvement

    • @Ill_Y7
      @Ill_Y7 7 лет назад +1

      love destiny but have to agree

    • @hubertc1686
      @hubertc1686 7 лет назад

      Joshua Mendoza yup

  • @thiscaribbeanguyplays3557
    @thiscaribbeanguyplays3557 6 лет назад +5

    so when i left the game i was at 290+, been back a week and everyone is at 500+. Did i miss something?

  • @speckledtech7006
    @speckledtech7006 7 лет назад

    The most lucid and intelligent summary I have seen. Bungie has clearly targeted people like me - y'know, folks with a job and a family. Kudos.

  • @victorbertini5614
    @victorbertini5614 7 лет назад +9

    I think that 3 things that need to happen to help endgame is introducing heroic strike (with points and scoreboards), some form of prestiging a weapon (getting a special shader for getting an X ammount of kills with this weapon in pve, and another one for Pvp, and getting 2 other shaders for getting this weapon 3 and 9 times as duplicates), and finaly ranked with badass emblems
    Another Idea I saw is being able to transform blue itens in legendaries, maybe you can deliver one of this blue weapons for the gunsmith, and he would ask you to dismatle an X ammount of the same weapon to make it an legendary (10 for knetic, 10 for energy, and maybe 15-20 for power), add that with the prestige Idea I just gave U and we have something to grind for

    • @MrMultiPlatform
      @MrMultiPlatform 7 лет назад

      Ranked = more elitism

    • @victorbertini5614
      @victorbertini5614 7 лет назад

      The Casual Hardcore Gamer soooo... is that a good thing in your eyes??? Lol

  • @donnymcivor903
    @donnymcivor903 7 лет назад +132

    What you fail to realize is even the casuals are bored. There's only so much public events any one human being can stand before it becomes boring, tedious and frustrating. I'd love to play the strikes but it feels pointless due to the bland reward system. I'd love to explore the beautiful landscapes that Bungie has spent years creating but it feels pointless without anything rewarding that curiosity. That's what ghost shells were. Your reward for being a curious explorer, and not looking up guides that tell you where everything is. Gold chests as well. The new region chest system is far to casual even for casuals. Pulling your map out repeatedly while lining yourself up to a clearly marked spot doesn't feel rewarding at all. It's tedious, bland and discourages exploration. Why bother looking for hidden areas (of which there are plenty...) if they're all COMPLETELY empty anyway? Pointless.
    That's the trend of this comment. After a while, the game feels pointless to play. Hows that supposed to make a casual like me come back again? Ill never do a raid. Ill never play PvP. What else is left? Public events and a non rewarding strike system. Thats it.

    • @woegee127
      @woegee127 7 лет назад +2

      Donny McIvor well if you’re into destiny lore there actually IS a reward for curiosity from roaming around, the scannables, you gain more knowledge about the destiny universe which in my opinion is very enjoyable and fulfilling.

    • @sosscarz
      @sosscarz 7 лет назад +4

      i hate that they marked lost sectors on map just leave them hidden in world with the marking on a wall but nooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    • @evankeith6841
      @evankeith6841 7 лет назад +8

      You hit the nail on the head. Lots of games today, including D1, cater to multiple different gamer profiles: explorers, collectors, competitors, etc. Casuals and hardcore players alike can lean towards different areas of the game that they enjoy. I agree with you, that it seems like D2 eliminated the achievement, collection, and by proxy, the explorer elements of the game that made it enjoyable for me. Datto mentioned in the video that it did so to reduce player toxicity. I'm not sure if I totally buy that, but if so, what's left for me to enjoy? We can no longer chase that elusive ship or grind out 150 hydra kills, and nothing was added to replace it. You can cater to both casual and competitive audiences. You can also cater to both collectors and competitors. Hopefully in the months ahead they will made some changes.

    • @djkouza
      @djkouza 7 лет назад

      Why would you not want to do a RAID? Raids are just really overly elaborate strikes. Much more fun though. But now they do seem less rewarding that previously.

    • @frettbuzz1911
      @frettbuzz1911 7 лет назад +6

      Gamerz Grip they should've been called marked sectors...lol

  • @NotAverageAfro
    @NotAverageAfro 7 лет назад

    Your idea for a grind on those eververse items is perfect. That's all I'd need....

  • @bonelessthincrust
    @bonelessthincrust 7 лет назад +256

    By far the biggest atrocity committed by Destiny 2 is the lack of random rolls. Destiny, at its core, is a loot game. Take away random rolls and it's a shitty loot game. Easiest way to fix this without disrupting the current model would be to have a weekly (or monthly) reset across all of the static legendaries. Just like that, purple engrams became exciting again. Just like that, faction rep became exciting again. Just like that, public events became worth doing again. It both incentivizes people to play AND incentivizes them to come back, all without disrupting the new "slot machine" style vendor mechanics.
    "Did you see the new Scathelock this week/month? It's got a great roll."
    "Awesome, I'm gonna patrol EDZ all night."
    Or, just limit random rolls to New Monarchy, Future War Cult, and Dead Orbit. This would universally revitalize all content. Otherwise, by this time next week we'll be saying the same thing about the three factions, once we've cleaned out their inventory.

    • @jarfankle_8587
      @jarfankle_8587 7 лет назад +6

      Chaoxytal if u think weapon rolls is the worst part of D2, you need jesus

    • @paulallen-01
      @paulallen-01 7 лет назад +4

      Destiny was a loot based game Destiny 2 clearly isn't

    • @iZapo
      @iZapo 7 лет назад +1

      Chaoxytal That sounds great.

    • @calvinnorth9642
      @calvinnorth9642 7 лет назад +1

      Chaoxytal love this idea

    • @Oskaralho88
      @Oskaralho88 7 лет назад +1

      Thats a good idea!!

  • @logandent88
    @logandent88 7 лет назад +6

    My favorite part of Destiny was the grind(before they started giving out free shit). My hours have dropped significantly when compared to D1 because I hardly have to do anything to get max level. I haven't gone flawless, I've done the Nightfall once, and I haven't touched the raid but I'm at 295 power.

    • @Willow4526
      @Willow4526 7 лет назад

      Logan dent pshhh i was 300 by second reset. by the end of second reset i was 300+ on all three of my characters. Week three has just been me farming RNG to get to 305 on all characters, failed that btw but luck. And fashion farming for all my characters.

  • @thatomahawks
    @thatomahawks 7 лет назад

    i'm just waiting for the prestige raid, 304 on 2 chars and 305 on my hunter, all achievements fixed, now im just helping other ppl through raid and getting their gear up, and im glad to help more ppl into the game. and i still are in love with this franchise, and i love to see what they have in store for us this coming years.

  • @Wellington10323
    @Wellington10323 7 лет назад +5

    Well I didn't expect this video of Datto so we're basically back at square 1 like with D1 -_-
    Come on Bungie -_-

    • @jarfankle_8587
      @jarfankle_8587 7 лет назад

      Chris Ghelen 10 yrs later.....LITERALLY THE SAME GAME

  • @HarbyInHD
    @HarbyInHD 7 лет назад +72

    No rewards for the elite gamers because the casual gamers would bitch and not come back. No reason to play for endless hours because I'll get nothing for it. Not even an emblem, a shader, or something else solely cosmetic

    • @johnnyrae6448
      @johnnyrae6448 7 лет назад +2

      Harby "Casuals" are people with jobs and hard work ethics who would rather not waste their time grinding in a video game, not 24 year old babies who live in their moms closet. You people act like Destiny is the only game out there, when there are far better ones.

    • @ridervrael6173
      @ridervrael6173 7 лет назад +11

      Almighty Loaf I go to work every day and still play destiny every day? Get off your high horse and stop assuming anyone that plays the game better than you is a no life lmao

    • @HarbyInHD
      @HarbyInHD 7 лет назад +6

      Almighty Loaf So, are you assuming that I live in my parents basement? Because you're quite wrong. I have my own house. I have a full time job too. I play this game a lot because I'm a huge fan of it. And, for more hardcore gamer who do okay it slot, it's unrewarding. There's nothing that says that I did something because there are too many casual gamers that would whine about it. You've essentially proven my point.

    • @cloud154532
      @cloud154532 7 лет назад

      Almighty Loaf I'm a hardcore Destiny player and I play a lot more games than just Destiny. Hell, I'm a extra hardcore player on FFXIV, with over 4k hours logged over the course of 4 years, and I still have time to be social, go to school, and enjoy other games.

    • @MrMultiPlatform
      @MrMultiPlatform 7 лет назад

      Being an elite gamer and being an elitist are not the same.

  • @MarcelLeonReal
    @MarcelLeonReal Год назад +2

    Damn, we have been a long way

  • @camk25
    @camk25 7 лет назад +231

    Am I the only one that hates the new weapon system? I really miss grinding for those god roll weapons

    • @pluto3194
      @pluto3194 7 лет назад +6

      I like it. Now everyone with the same weapon is evenly matched.

    • @MrDavo511
      @MrDavo511 7 лет назад +19

      That plus they got rid of the sub-class trees to cater to the plebs

    • @FreyrsDemise
      @FreyrsDemise 7 лет назад +6

      I wish there were semi locked weapon rolls. The main perks, like Nameless Midnights's explosive rounds would be on every roll, but things like high caliber rounds, and weapon scopes would be random. I want to see that

    • @1Binouse
      @1Binouse 7 лет назад +5

      Rip grasp of malok

    • @toastwithnocrust1888
      @toastwithnocrust1888 7 лет назад +1

      CamSK No I'm happy that's gone as it creates a level playing field for everyone.

  • @bitsurugi
    @bitsurugi 7 лет назад +11

    Loot diversity and lack of it is the main issue of D2. There is no real desire to do end game content right now. RNG on drops is not the answer. More perks, desirable perks and a more variable armor setup is what we need. For example, raid armor should not be just cosmetically different then all random engram armor. Mods are also very lacklustre in their diversity. End game content is pretty much the same that has been in the past, but the loot is very lacklustre. Cayde-6 was lying: there is no ''TON OF LOOT''... yet.

    • @mohammedjawahri5726
      @mohammedjawahri5726 7 лет назад +2

      bitsurugi THANK YOU,rng perks are bs ,and removing them was the way to go ,but the fact that they didn't compensate that with a ton of loot variety is mind-boggling,how long have they been working on this game?

    • @CallMeArashi
      @CallMeArashi 7 лет назад

      Actually there is a shit Ton of shit aka Blue stuff

    • @Willow4526
      @Willow4526 7 лет назад +2

      HSR Shoxy lol the stuff no one is going to keep

  • @kutejikashi3158
    @kutejikashi3158 6 лет назад

    I completely agree with your points. I have been playing for hours every single day, and I am already at 300 power in about 5 days of playing . They should definitely make it more of a grind to get that because you would be able to feel accomplished for doing something that you put a lot of hours into

  • @nadirbaitsaleem7270
    @nadirbaitsaleem7270 7 лет назад +11

    I think there should be at least ONE difficult exotic.
    Like OB Prime in Rise Of Iron.

    • @TisDansk
      @TisDansk 7 лет назад

      Nadir Bait Saleem I loved the outbreak quest. It felt good when we finally got it. I am tired of bungie catering to the casuals

    • @everetthayes2677
      @everetthayes2677 7 лет назад

      I agree. The hardest exotic is lenged of ares, but its not challengeing its just beat the raid like 10 times to get it, you can get after you have beaten it once but its not full upgraded, like nercochasm from d1

    • @rosssimpson4308
      @rosssimpson4308 7 лет назад

      1 hard qeust like ob prime lol ob prime was not a hard qeust

    • @whytho5607
      @whytho5607 7 лет назад

      I get what you're saying and agree with it, except that the Outbreak Prime quest was victim to the internet and what I mean by that is I don't know a single person who could be fucked to figure the quest out for themselves, because almost everyone looked up a guide on exactly what to do kinda defeating the point of the quest to begin with.

    • @roohni2226
      @roohni2226 7 лет назад +3

      TitanSlayer91 legend of acrius?

  • @asherking159
    @asherking159 7 лет назад +76

    The Witcher 3 is my second favorite game ever (kotor is number one). You saying you stopped playing because you knew you couldn't do everything kills me.
    The game is built so that you don't do everything. This way every player will have a different experience than the last player, and that play through they completed will be 100% their own. I love this kind of game design.
    To each their own of course

    • @negan8283
      @negan8283 7 лет назад +7

      Billy Asher witcher 3 is awesome game. I dont understant point that there is "too much things to do" Like.. shouldn't that be a good thing?

    • @YOUfailME911
      @YOUfailME911 7 лет назад +2

      I mean think about it for datto, he is a guy who spends most of his time playing destiny.

    • @gavo7911
      @gavo7911 7 лет назад +7

      +Billy Asher I didn't like Witcher 3 because the abysmal combat and uninteresting world, but to each their own.

    • @Stubbari
      @Stubbari 7 лет назад

      +Billy Asher
      It's in my top 3 favorite games ever, but that same thing happened to me. Played it like 20 hours or so and realized how big the world is and just stopped playing. I like to think that I can 100% game and Witcher 3 felt too big. I picked it up after 9 months because I started to read the books. After getting involved with the lore I played the game three times.
      But I can relate to what Datto is feeling. You wanna play a game completely trough before moving to the next game. Not doing every mission feels like not reading the last 20 pages of a book or not watching the last 15 minutes of a movie. You just want to do everything and if the world is so huge and you are not super into it, it might feel overwhelming.
      Some people just like to play the main story and that's fine. It's like a tv show for them. It doesn't really matter if you miss 1 episode out of 300. You get the basic idea.

    • @Halojedi1121
      @Halojedi1121 7 лет назад +5

      You guys missed his point. He is a completionist and so having that much content made him not want to keep playing since he would never do it all.

  • @pens38
    @pens38 7 лет назад

    I greatly agree with you. What do you mean by "player toxicity"? Thanks. I have 3-304 characters. I mainly play now for my clan and to help clanmates complete activities... that is what keeps me coming back.

  • @sinotheawoken9812
    @sinotheawoken9812 7 лет назад +81

    After 3 weeks of d2 being out I'm at the same point where I was with 3 YEARS of d1... I have everything and the activities are boring... even the strikes are super boring because it's just 20 minutes of bullet sponges. If bungie keeps their philosophy like that I won't even reach 1/10 of the time I spent in d1...

    • @CallMeArashi
      @CallMeArashi 7 лет назад +12

      W97Sin0 / Mistergerman Thats my opinion as well normaly i played PvP if i had nothing to do but PvP is so boring right now its Crazy how thay fucked up

    • @Willow4526
      @Willow4526 7 лет назад

      Agree (bump)

    • @inFAMOUSJakey
      @inFAMOUSJakey 7 лет назад +1

      i think strikes are boring because you cant skip them after getting stronger
      bosses takes pretty much similar amount of times because they have those phases where they wont be able to take any damage

    • @sinotheawoken9812
      @sinotheawoken9812 7 лет назад

      inFAMOUSJakey agreed also there aren't any modifiers that allow you to play them faster...

    • @BobElHat
      @BobElHat 7 лет назад

      There's not much in it for Bungie if you play for 1000 hours vs 100. In fact it costs them money because they have to keep more servers up. Destiny just doesn't have the right business model for focussing on the MMO aspects to be worthwhile. If they had a subscription model they'd focus a lot more on the grind, but I doubt they could make that work.
      What I find weird is that they've gone super-casual on everything except for the raid. It's the most frustrating, mechanics-heavy raid we've seen in the game. If they want everyone to be able to "complete" the game why the fuck do they have something as tedious, frustrating and not-fun as the pleasure gardens?

  • @kuribohsenju
    @kuribohsenju 4 года назад +4

    This aged badly and I'm glad it did. Bungie really turned this game around big time. (Except for the Eververse part. Let's not talk about that.)

    • @notabot3717
      @notabot3717 4 года назад

      Even Eververse has improved

  • @bizkitPiss
    @bizkitPiss 7 лет назад

    I see your point. I had the time to be a "Hardcore player" in D1 but due to life/work commitments I'm down to less than 5 hours a week in player time if I'm lucky. I've already seen the lack of content in these small hours I get to play. This is all pretty accurate

  • @lobenzo9342
    @lobenzo9342 7 лет назад +6

    I think the endgame depends on the person and how they live there life. There are people that play almost everyday and possible could get bored faster than people who have priorities during the day and don't play as much. I think bungie focused on the casual audience, such as the people who have work or school everyday and can't grind everyday like some youtubers or streamers. Bungie needs to find that sweet spot between the "casual" and the "noncasual"

    • @theSwift715
      @theSwift715 7 лет назад +2

      Being a casual means way more than what you do during the day. I'm a hardcore gamer in the heart despite all the bs at work. That's why I appreciate meaningful gameplay.

  • @chuchugaming1752
    @chuchugaming1752 7 лет назад +30

    10hrs on the Witcher 3 and quit? Missed out so much Datto

    • @DemonLordSparda
      @DemonLordSparda 7 лет назад +4

      If the Witcher 3 had gameplay like Dragon's Dogma it'd be god tier. As it stands it has a really good story with super bland combat.

  • @aliasq153
    @aliasq153 7 лет назад

    100% agree with your full assessment Datto. The only thing that I can say, is that hopefully, with these somewhat planned weekly schedules, events such as the faction rally will be out regularly. It seems almost as if they are trying to trickle out content for end game to keep people invested between expansions. Which I am ok with, as long as it provides meaningful content that is not just, go do public events over and over for a new type of faction coin each week. Only time will tell though.

  • @JakeMac96
    @JakeMac96 7 лет назад +10

    I feel like bungie has fucked me over but I think my love for D1 blinded me to the faults I noticed in the beta and in Luke Smith's interviews, I never experienced the launch of D1 as I didn't buy in to the hype but I started playing the week before the taken king and absolutely loved it. I went into D2 thinking that even if it wasn't as good as D1 was in the TTK and April Update era that it would still at least be fun and have some cool stuff to grind for. Now only a few weeks in I have no desire to play it anymore. My 3 characters are 303, 303 and 302 and I haven't even done the raid and at this point I don't want to, I don't like the way loot drops are handled and I hate the fact that there is only 1 boss. The story was 'better' than vanilla destiny I guess but the story in TTK was way better and far more engaging. I think a lot of us were blind to these issues in the first week just due to how excited we were but I'm starting to feel really let down.
    My main issue right now is Bungie's lack of communication, they got better at listening to their community but it seems they are once again ignoring our complaints and aren't even acknowledging that we have serious issues with the lack of meaningful things to do.

    • @dgb921
      @dgb921 7 лет назад

      Jake MacPherson I bought it when it came out and like u played right before taken king and I was hooked. That game we fell in love with is gone

  • @Stateless7
    @Stateless7 7 лет назад +3

    Is it bad that I miss bounties? I don't really feel incentive to "grind" this game as much as Destiny 1.

    • @cloud154532
      @cloud154532 7 лет назад

      The challenges and milestones were suppose to replace them, it feels like. But yeah, I missed them too. I was even hoping they'd be there once you reach the new tower.

    • @jason200912
      @jason200912 7 лет назад

      nobody complained about bounties. or secondary snipers. or fusion rifles. or inventory ammo. So why did they take all of that away?

  • @bidealgames8246
    @bidealgames8246 7 лет назад

    Good for you datto. I appreciate how you will actually speak your mind

  • @2BRemembered316
    @2BRemembered316 7 лет назад +10

    Im 305 and i havent even finished raid yet or trials 7-0 bc of lack of team time. Really sad imo considering that if you go by sales yea the 80% may matter more, but i bet if you go by time played the top 5% have more time played than the other 95% combined. It just sucks tbh. They arent making the game for their audience, they are making it for the audience they think they want

    • @jhemp
      @jhemp 7 лет назад +1

      They are making the game to make money though. They don't really need to worry about people who play 5 days or 5 years because if you pay for it they've already won. It helps to have a reason to play for a long time if you want to sell a sequel, or continue to develop games, but all they really want is the money. If 80% of people want X in the game they'd better listen because you don't alienate your market. They'd be fine if they lost 2%.

  • @FrancisGX
    @FrancisGX 7 лет назад +22

    After playing Destiny 1 and feeling like a had things to do for years I have to say Destiny 2 was a massive disappointment in that regard. Don't get me wrong I loved the game, but because of the things datto mentions and how the game throws all the best loot at you with no effort required I lost interest fast.

    • @martingru
      @martingru 7 лет назад +1

      Francis Gabriel Xavier I stopped playing in following weekend after release ,so empty and dumbed down game . I'm selling it already ,never again preorder/day1 games!

  • @aidancossin1524
    @aidancossin1524 7 лет назад

    I think this is a good point, like even for people who just wanted rare stuff they can't, cause nothing is actually rare, having a cool ship and just getting a cool shit was a journey in itself, and getting the freedom to customize myself and be completely unique in every way possible felt great

  • @Room81Ctism
    @Room81Ctism 7 лет назад +27

    Top 10 anime betrayals: bungie and its hardcore fans

  • @Buisnesmoose
    @Buisnesmoose 7 лет назад +83

    Ugh I hate to spread negativity but this game is the same old same old. Let me show you this.
    Destiny 1 and 2 life
    -complete story
    -complete strikes
    -complete public events
    -complete nightfall
    -complete raid
    -complete trials
    RINSE AND REPEAT FOR A MONTH
    -don't touch the game till next expansion
    NEXT EXPANSION: repeat steps above

    • @HexCypherr
      @HexCypherr 7 лет назад +11

      Blue Xephos except in d1 you had special things like god rolls, the grind to tier 12, strike specific loot.

    • @thefallen5126
      @thefallen5126 7 лет назад +10

      True but for me destiny 1s pvp was my end game and it was fun

    • @TIgoe94
      @TIgoe94 7 лет назад +2

      Atleast you could have a laugh repeating the raid now and again on d1 in destiny 2 its hard to get people to want to do it because it's not fun its just one tedious mechanic after another that nobody finds enjoyable in my raid group. It used to be a problem to get enough on now the issue is getting poeple on that are actually willing to put up with it to the boss...

    • @jay-ki6ie
      @jay-ki6ie 7 лет назад

      Tony Igoe totally agree with you

    • @sinotheawoken9812
      @sinotheawoken9812 7 лет назад +1

      D2 is worse than d1 because there isn't shit to do. I normally would grind imagos or something to play with fun loadouts but since there are no rolls and everyone is playing the same loadouts and camping with there teammates what reason do I have to play d2?!

  • @QIDOM
    @QIDOM 7 лет назад

    Well said Datto...I knew early on after I heard about no random weapon rolls etc etc that my time in destiny would be less than D1...I do appreciate the work they put into the story and the world in general...but I miss the hunt !

  • @RogueScythe
    @RogueScythe 7 лет назад +18

    It's very obvious that this game was built for casual play.

    • @rarewaifu
      @rarewaifu 7 лет назад +2

      but destiny 1 wasnt thats what made it good, grinding for the god rolls on gear/weapons and the attribute system, everything is handed to us easily now, bungie is catering to the casuals because $$$$$ despite the hardcores being their for them during Y1 where the game was a laughing stock up until taken king, but its a business so this really shouldn't be new, dropping the game now then endlessly pursuing that "change" and having my money taken, a shame

    • @RogueScythe
      @RogueScythe 7 лет назад

      Chaotic ϟ That's how AAA games work. The masses don't play it, then it's not worth investing in.