Croatia during the First World War
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- During the First World War Croatia was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which was one of the Central Powers. The empire consisted of various ethnic groups and territories, including Croatia. Croatians in WW1 participated in various military campaigns, faced economic challenges, and witnessed significant political changes that ultimately led to the dissolution of the empire.
History Hustle presents: Croatie during the First World War.
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- The Vanquished, Why the First World War Failed to End, 1917-1923 (Robert Gerwarth).
- Croatia. A Nation Forged in War (Marcus Tanner).
- War and Revolution in Yugoslavia, 1941-1945. Occupation and Collaboration (Jozo Tomasevich).
- • Croatia in World War 1... (02-07-2021).
- ww1.habsburger... (14-06-2023).
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It's back again. Sigh. Idea is three syllables in English, i dee uh, not i dee.
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@@653j521 Stefan is trying his best, as a non native english speaker. Keep in touch. Thanks for your clarificatiion.
@@653j521 😅
it has nothing to do with what you are talking about. the so-called Croatia did not even exist at that time. Serbs have always existed in those areas of Dalmatia and Slavonia. The Austrians settled additional Serbs in the areas of Kordun and Banija 400 years ago in order to defend Europe from the Turks. These so-called Croats are Catholicized Serbs from the 19th and 20th centuries
The collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the nations that arose from its ashes, is one of the most fascinated and underdiscussed aspects of WWI. As someone whose immigrant ancestors fled southern Poland during the Great War, I hope you'll consider covering that country as well. Thank you for what you do!
Stjepan Radić was not happy about the unification State of SHS and the Kingdom of Serbia
I see.
Then he should had create Croatia imidiatelly after WW1 as independent country. Why did Croatia agreed at all to join common country with Serbs.... FYI, Serbs brought already gotten souverenity some 50 years before to the common country... Together with Montenegro. The others were not independent at that time. Don't forget that. Why did Croats and Slovenes agreed on that? Why did Bosniaks agreed also, they coud create their own state too?
He and 2 of his party colleges died objecting, got killed by Montegrian Serb Racic.
They objected for the treatment of Turkish Bey, transcript of the Parliamentary session was published in the newspaper.
@@goranboromisab7767We did not have our own army. It was that or be splited by Serbia and Italy
@@fabijanodorcic6076 So what? You could created your own state... You calculated with Serbs and in such a way Serbs were manipulated by you. You didn't have your own army in 1941 or in 1991 also, but you declared independence. You could do it in 1918 too. If you did it at that time, there wouldn't be atrocities with Serbs during 20th century, because Serbs would had support your state in 1918, even help you on international level. You should be aware of that.
Firstly, you have not mentioned Borojević alongside other Croatians and Slovenians who fought on the Isonzo front in more detail. This was the only front where Croats were extremely motivated to fight.
1. There were two Ante Pavelićs.
2. You missed mentioning the 'Prosinačke žrtve' on December 5th, 1918.
3. The idea of the Kingdom of SHS among Croats and Slovenians was a federation of states.
4. Monetary, economic, land, and religious policies, together with great repression and political assassinations in the first Yugoslavia, are the main reasons for everything that happened later.
5. The main point would be to mention that all the 'selling points' that pro-SHS politicians in Croatia used to sell the idea to their own people went down the drain very quickly with the Treaty of Rapallo (1922) and the Treaty of Rome (1924).
Overall, the video is lacking significantly and misses the mark in many aspects.
Thanks for taking the time to write this down. I honestly had no idea there were to Ante Pavelics.
@@HistoryHustle
Just a side note: jumping from the end of WW1 instantly to the WW2 puppet regime in Croatia makes the narrative of the video very biased and problematic. Those things did not come from thin air. It paints a very dishonest picture since it completely ignores the decades that led to all that, such as the dishonest loss of territory, systematic oppression, political prosecution of opposition, and the infamous assassination of Croat representatives in parliament. Additionally, the implementation of brutal dictatorship, the simony scandal with Greco-Eastern churches on June 17, 1920, and later many massacres like the Sibinjske žrtve... etc.
Learning history is a fun process, and I wish you a great and enjoyable time discovering more details.
I've read loads on the NDH and I feel like you are trying to whitewash the events. Many Croats do this in the comments. Serbians cheer me for it, but once I talk about Serbian collaboration of atrocities in 1990s they become upset.
@@HistoryHustle
I don't know what you mean by that, since I haven't even mentioned any event during WW2.
Specifically, I commented on the huge timeline hole you have before WW2.
And it's logical to avoid it in the video, already lacking decades in content, not to open a huge subject in itself.
Subject like WW2 Croatia that was a complex chaos, with Croats like Tito, Andrija Hebrang, and Pavelić in conflict, mixed with Italian, Serbian, and German armies invading and occupying Croatia at the same time.
So, no, I'm not "washing" or even touching the subject of WW2. I'm just pointing towards a gaping hole in history and, with that, probably even in knowledge of the subject.
I'm not just going to jump to conclusions about you, whether it's intentional, unintentional, or if you have biases, ideologies, or anything like that.
But as a fellow student of history, you can stop for a second and think about it when someone gives you a friendly comment about pacing and skipping over very important decades for this region, and in this case, event the world as a whole.
I hope you don't take even this comment the wrong way, since it's not written with any ill intent.
@@GerardFdvadesetsedmi This guy is well known for spreading false serbian propaganda and lies about the Croats. Above video is a good example of his manipulative narrative. He's read "loads on NDH" - what a pathetic argument after he's been caught with his pants down.
My grandfather was a Croatian soldier from Dubrovnik fighting on the eastern front and ended up as a prisoner of the Russians . When he came back home he came back as a hard core communist . He always had problems with a law since it was very illegal in the kingdom of Yugoslavia .
all crotian=ustasha filth from Dubrovnik were Serbs...
Interesting to read. Did he lived through World War II and what were his experiences?
This is all a lie...
Josip Broz Tito went trough same path. Many Croats did. My grandfather was too young for WW1....But in 1942 Italian fascists attacked his village together with Serbian Chetniks so he joined the Partisans
Bla-bla-bla. First of all, all krv-ati from so called Krv-atska (croasania) except Zagorje ARE converted Serbs. Yes, the Great Serbs Chetnicks from Serbian Kraina were protecting people from bloody ustash. Thanks to Italians, they help Serbs... and now, who you are? Nobody and nothing. You deny your roots... WAF@@mariocroatia9321
People say the problems of today always comes from the past
Nothing new under the sun?
@@653j521 New is linear time we counting on the earth what is social construct based on turning our planet around sun.
If you go as far as needed away from the earth you will see that time we counting on earth does not exist.
Interesting quote. Kinda logical I would say.
Josip tito serve in ww1 25th home guard division and the only man that have two birthdays on the 7th and the 25th of May
J.Broz was the Austro-Hungarian Army corporal in the Battle of Cer 1914.
Fierce enemy of the Serbia.
Though he did like Croatian Austro - Hungarian Serbs, serving with him in the Army.
@@Greensanctuary-c4w
Tito was in the 42nd Home Guard Infantry Division, firstly commanded by Stjepan Sarkotic von Lovcen ( he liberated Cetinje later in the WW1 ).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42nd_Home_Guard_Infantry_Division
@@Greensanctuary-c4w
Obviously from the Montenegrians.
'They don't belong in Europe, they should move to Russia'... just a joke.
They strongly denie being a Serbs, then they must be Russians I guess.
Bosnia is a old Croatian province and 𝐭𝐡𝐞 “bosniaks” are Croatian muslim 🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷
Was only partially a province in the period of the Kingdom of Croatia 925-1097 more precisely, around 172 years,
since in period 1097-1102 state had no King but nominally being Kingdom.
During those 172 years many Kings ruled, begining with Tomislav, ending with Petar Svacic.
During their rule state territory changed, borders changed.
It's bias that during rule of any of those Kings border of Croatia was all the way on the Drina river line, but for a shorter period it's possible.
There were many local nobles, some recognized rule of the Croatian King, like Pagania, some just recognized the Croatian Kingdom like Travunia.
Each Croatian King ruled shorter than Serbian ruled in North Macedonia during Tzar Dushan.
Croatian King Zvonimir ruled 1075-1089, was even arguing for the liberation of the Holy Land in 1089 on some meeting with Croatian landlords and local leaders,
They strongly refused leading to an fight and the murder of the King.
King because of that put a curse on the Croat people,
like described even in the Thompson's song ' Kletva Kralja Zvonimira'.
Later on Nov 27th 1095, Pope Urban II on the Council of Clermont, France, will officially call for the 1st Crusade, on the Byzantine demand, lasting 1095-1099, even 1102.
During that time last Croat King Svacic was killed by the Hungarians in 1097, and Croatia signed the Agreement of joining the Hungary in 1102.
@Ona: back up your claim please.
Bosniaks are mixture of people living in the Bosnia before the Ottoman rule and Ottoman Asian citizens.
There were different migrations from the Asian part of Ottoman Empire.
Before there were Croatian and Serb Slavs, Goths, Ilyrs.
Croatian muslims and Croatian ortodoxes does not exist
If you accept that then you allow Serbian muslims and Serbian catholics.
The fact is that wooden iron does not exist.
People who lived in the areas of the Western Balkans succumbed to different narratives generated by religions at that time. Even now, not only in the Western Balkans, but in the West and the whole world, among the same nations, there are people who have a diametrically opposite view of the war in Ukraine. One will say that Ukraine and Russia are at war, others will say that the West and Russia are at war. The West says Russia is attacking, and Russia says the West is attacking. We live this in real time and we disagree, but now think about how we can know what happened 500 or 1000 years ago.
In Croatian history there are two Ante Pavelic who have no connection whatsoever. The first was at the head of the Central Party (Pravo), the second trained the ultranationalist Ustasi grupuscules in fascist methods and he became the war criminal.
Ante Pavelic was a lawyer and Yugoslav MP who co-founded the Ustasha organisation in 1929 after the Serbs murdered the Croatian leader Stjepan Radić in 1928 in the Yugoslav parliament in Belgrade.
@Pepin: you are serious? In that case I stand corrected.
@@HistoryHustleHe is right! In Croatian historiography we differentient them by their respective vocation, the bad Ante was a lawyer, the other one a dentist. Bizarre little nugget of history ;)
@@matelozancic I didn't say there wasn't but I am not sure what his point was as the Ante Pavelic that co-founder the Ustasha organisation was a lawyer and Yugoslav MP who worked in Belgrade in Serbia. Some of these Serbs don't like those facts.
@@TheSouth-j7fsamo su Ante Pavelić i njegovi Ustaše željeli samostalnu Hrvatsku. Nitko drugi. Čak ni Radić koji je ubijen jer je tražio veća prava Hrvata. Pavelića uopće nisu smatrali ozbiljno kad je tražio nezavisnost. Samo on, nitko drugi. To je Hrvatska tragedija.
It's a shame that Svetozar Borojević, the only Slavic Feldmarschal of Austrohungarian Army, is not mentioned in this video. Nicknamed The Lion of Isonzo, he was a major player in famous battles of Isonzo, commanding units containing a lot of Croats and Slovenes, which fought heavily against Italians, ultimately defended eastern part of the Adriatic and even pushed them back to Italy. I don't blame you though, as this part of our history has been neglected by Croats themselves; it's poorly thought in schools and there is not many historical work on this subject. A lot of Croats also fought and died in Galicia, also commanded by Borojević at the beginning of the war - only in 2014. the first official Croatian delegation visited their graves. I guess the main reason is that Borojevićs efforts weren't really fit with any Croatian government after WW1; for some, he was too loyal to the Emperor, refusing to join Yugoslav cause and therefore seen as an enemy, and then there is also a fact that he was an Orthodox Christian. Only recently have I learned about his life through a Croatian history themed magazine. In the end he died alone and poor in Austria a couple of years after The Great War. P.S. a book "Croatian God Mars" by Miroslav Krleža, a collection of short stories about Croats in WW1, is I think the best chronicle of these events from the Croatian perspective.
Borojevic was Serbian, baptised in Serbian Ortodox church.
@@masterblaster848he stated for himself that is Croat of ortodox faith! hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetozar_Borojevi%C4%87
@@Greensanctuary-c4w there are no serbs
Video about Croatia in WW1 without mentioning Fiieldmarshall Svetozar Boroević, Croatian of Orthodox faith, wrongly considered as Serb who kept Italian army at bay for most of WW1 - that is👎🏻
Ok.
Stolen valor, write that down
Croats and Serbs from Serbia didn't know each other before 1918. They were for the first time in history in the same conutry in from 1918. It was a mistake to put these two people in the same state.
It led to much troubles yes.
Which is a total lie,So call Austrain-Hungary Military Frontier had total mixed population off Croats and Serbs
Who freed Zagreb Serbian army😂😂😂
@@dzonikg croats ortodox...they became Serbs 1920
It was a violent posrbljavanje of the entire orthodox population on the inner territory of Croatia.@@hunthunt9268
Ako nekom nije jasam pojam GENOCIDNA TVOREVINA, samo treba da prelista hrvatsku istoriju.
Much anger, little wisdom here.
Thanks!
Thank you SO MUCH for you generosity once again Jesse. Best wishes from Santa Cruz de la Sierra 🇧🇴
Croatia has a very interesting 20th century history!
Indeed.
Well cuz before that they didnt exist😂
@@matelozancic Ne tupi moj Mate...
@@slavniserbski
Croatia was a kingdom, read something.
@@slavniserbski Serbia was part of the Ottoman Turkish "Eyalet of Rumelia" for many centuries.
Stjepan Radić was not really happy about Yugoslavia state.. from there comes his famous statement: "Ne srljajte kao guske u maglu!" ("Don't rush like geese in the fog!")
He was afraid that after establishment of Yugoslavia - it will be homogenious state ruled and dominated by Serbs, which eventually was right.
Btw great video!!
Thanks for your reply.
But in the AHs empire, almost all Croatians were not allowed to even own private properties, most of the Croats were treated as mere slaves. Their "nobility" did not speak Croatian language, they distanced themselves as much as possible from Croatian identity and were trying to portray themselves as something else. I don't know, but 900+ years of slavery being replaced by the Serbian army defeating AHs and granting the same rights to all the Croats as the rights Serbs had - seems like a great deal.
I never understood why Croats showed so much hate towards Serbs as their liberators - especially act of genocide in WWII. Is it Stockholm syndrome?
How was Stjepan Radic right? Were the Croats dominant in AHs empire? And when you compare citizens rights and level of influence of Croats in AH empire and Serbian Yugoslavia what conclusions are you drawing?
@@js4182 croats liberated themself...while serbs were liberated by russians from ottomans, and by french, brits and englisch in ww1...
Serbs hate croats, much more then otherwise...because serbs arw frustrated and jeleous because croats are more white/slavic then serbs and they are more delevoped and famous country
@@js4182 Which Croatian nobility didn't know Croatian? Croatian nobility and elites were often very influential Croatian writers. Croatia-Slavonia under Austro-Hungarian empire had the Sabor and was its own Kingdom. While Austria-Hungary (mostly Hungary) was suppressing its minorities, the Croats had a special status within Hungary.
On the other hand Croatia lost its parliament after joining Yugoslavia and couldn't even openly identify as Croatian after Radic was assassinated and the royal dictatorship was established, enforcing a Yugoslav identity. This led to further assissinations and assassination attempts on Croatian intellectuals by Yugoslav police agents (e.g. Milan Suflaj and Mile Budak). Not only intellectuals but also supporters of the Croatian Peasant Party that got killed in Senj by Serbian gendarmerie, during commemoration of the murder of Stjepan Radic.
its hard to see the sense of Austro-Hungary starting WW1 .. did they think they could invade Serbia without consequences... ? the Entente powers had mutual defence pacts .. the break up of the Empire caused chaos in central Europe. they certainly proved one thing "diversity is our strength" is a lie. a lesson not learned today by modern politicians.
It's only a lie when the diverse elements hate and fight each other. Many nations today ARE stronger with diversity when they are using everyone's best points for the good of the whole.
Politics in Austria-Hungary, especially the Austrian half, was very bad. After numerous military defeats and territorial losses the prestige of the state was low. Despite rapid growth and industrialisation the country suffered greatly from internal ethnic tensions that rendered the Austrian parliament unworkable. The state seemed to stumble from crisis to crisis. The emperor and his advisers hoped a successful war against Serbia would restore the country’s standing in the world and to its own citizens.
@@matelozancic But by attacking Serbia they did start WW1 ,they didnt think other countries would join in and many had alliances like Germany they had to fight because of that , Russia had an alliance with France so they had to fight when Russia went in and tsar nikolajev was German so the German emperor was his cousin and the Bulgarian king was also their cousin . But many forgett that after Ferdinand was killed there were big pogroms against innocent Serbs were massacred today it would be called Genocide.
Diversity is not a strength ... but tolerance and ability to handle and absorb diversity and especially ability to produce unity in diversity is a clear path to fast growth of manpower. It is a golden rule of successful empires, ever since Persia (well, admittedly it didn't help them much when push came to shove) and Macedon of Alexander the Great (he did notably better, at least until he died).
They wanted land and more control.
And had a cheque blanc from Germany to do whatever they wanted.
It was an informative and wonderful historical coverage episode about Croatia 🇭🇷( political events and opinions)during WW1 and intermediate periods between two world wars.. Thank you for an amazing( history Hustle) channel and respectful Sir Stefan
Many thanks. Have a good weekend.
It's sad that so many Croats fought and died in service of their foreign masters
That is where it came down to yes.
Your reasoning makes no sense, obviously the Croats were on the side of Austria, as it was their country and they served their king to the house of Habsburg to which the Croats have always been loyal.
We fought against Hungarians.Austrians always respected us.Franz Josef even wanted Croatia as equals with Austria and Hungary
serbs fought for there turkish masters...and now russian masters
Austrian Hungry was ended by brave Serbian army 🪖. Serbia liberated Croats and Slovenians. And history repeats in WW2 and when Cro and Slo was part of Germany. This days they are part of NATO
Very over-simplified take on history.
@@HistoryHustle My opinion is that is not over simplified. Just simplified as on another way presented in your video.
Each war does not start from nowhere and does not end in nowhere too.
Now we have opportunity to see longer time line than connect the dots.
History is repeating itself but not in complete same picture.
It is true that Serbian army entered tertiory of falled Austrian empire and on question was it liberation or conqest has at least two answers.
Look at it this way, American and Russians liberated Europe in world war 2, and American soldiers are still in Germany. Ask your self is it ocuppation or not. I think we have same answer.
It is not true that Slovenians and Croats were in Germany.
Dalmatia was under Germans and Ustaša just in the period from fall of Italy 1943 until end of the war 1945 and Dalmatians were resist them through partisan movement. Same as big part of Slovenians and Croats.
It is true that Slovenia and Croatia are members of NATO but you can't say that they all agree to that.
The fact that Serbia is not member of EU and NATO now is just matter of form but content is different. NATO is in Serbia and NATO is even in the building of general staff former Jugoslavia in Belgrade. Weapons from the West for Ukraine passing through Serbia which is not NATO member but not passing trough Hungary which is NATO member. Okay that is not to blame on you but that is how politics work.
History is extremely complex here on Balkan then we all have to take it easy and talk to respect each other nevertheless to nations we belong because all Serbs do not think same as the Croats. I think that I may talk with Croats with which I do not agree same with Serbs.
It must be noted that within Mlada Bosna there were croats, not all of whom were collaborators with the austro-hungarians.
Instead they collaborated with the serbian king, traitors
@@EzEcro
No, Mlada Bosna was a Yugoslavist organization, said Gavrilo Princip himself during the trial.
@@gottmituns813 doesn't matter, they fought for Yugoslavia under the serbian rule, that's also treason
@@EzEcro
It was not a pan-Serbian organization, nor did it act under the orders of Belgrade. If that had been the case, there would not have been Croats, Slovenes, Muslims, Montenegrins, and Macedonians collaborating.
Austro-Hungarian Croats were fighting for their national separate goals, not for the Serbs.
My grand grand farher's cousin was a croatian austro hungarian soldier fighting navy.
Thanks for sharing.
My grand grand father was in Austrian Navy for 10 years and he spent more than 5 years in Alexandria. He was a gendarme in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, which capitulated in 1941, and he was killed in 1944 by the Ustaše in Unešić, near Split in Croatia.
@@antebratincevic6764 interesantna priča
@@danebajrovic8021 Možda je to tebi interesantno, ali to je bija jeadan od obrazaca u Dalmaciji za vrime WWII.
Priča o moga dida bi ti sigurno bila interesantnija od ove. Još 1994 meni je did govorija kako je ovo njemu šesta bandira, rođen je pod austrijskon, pa kraljevina Jugoslavija, pa Italija, pa NDH, pa komunistička Jugoslavija, pa Hrvatska i on mi je reka kako je svaka sljedeća bila gora od predhodne i da će doći jedna još gora na šta sam mu se ja smija, ali dobro je govorija, ova EU je definitivno gora od svih predhodnih . . . :)
@@antebratincevic6764 pa nije zanimljivo kako su ga ubili, nego kako je bia pomorac u austrougarskoj monarhiji. Nažalost, i moja je obitelj upoznata sa obrascima iz WWII, jer se oni u Dalmaciji nisu razlikovali od onih u Lici i ostatku hrvatskog primorja. Sad ima tu puno strašnih priča, Al ja bi rađe osta na prvon svjetskon ratu i ranije
After reading part of the comments, I can conclude that there is a great distortion of history from all sides.
History is not a supermarket where items are selected as needed.
Balkan history video turns comment sections into instant war zones.
@@HistoryHustle I am Croat from Split and I don't care where you are from, but I do not allow the history of my city, where I have lived for 60 years, to be written by someone from the outside. Regardless of whether they were Turks, Serbs, Austrians, Hungarians, Italians, Germans, French, English, Americans. That is impossible without a good knowledge of the Croatian or Serbian languages, which are almost the same. For 60 years I have been walking among the walls from which each stone tells its own story.
This war zone is nothing compared to the topic of the war during the breakup of Yugoslavia. Just then everyone would go completely crazy.
OK. Let's set aside some 900 yrs of history and the role of Croatian people in defending Christianity on it's border and focus on the '90's. Why do you think there are two versions of the events that took place during '90's war, Serbian and Croatian? And, maybe a better question, who would you believe?@@HistoryHustle
@@HistoryHustleisn’t it the same in almost any country and their neighbors, not just in Balkan. I think English, Irish, Scottish are so much in love with each other or not😂 please don’t act like everywhere else people live in peace except here in Balkan. There are people who perfectly understand and know you history, I mean English colonial history
Thank you so much for this video. It is a rarely dicussed topic. I would have liked more discussion on army and navy battles but I understand cost/time limits.
Thanks for your reply.
Serbs, Croats and Slovenians entered the joint state of SHS with a fig in their pocket (second thoughts).
Croats did not have a state and this was a way to partially get it.
Slovenians also did not have a state, so this was a way for them to get one.
The Serbs had a state and it was a way for all Serbs to live in one state, that is, for Serbs from Serbia to be in the same state with Serbs from Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia.
brief and refreshing!
It's controversial and ironic but without the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs and without Yugoslavia there would probably be no Croatia as we have it today.
Thanks for watching.
True, Croats for 1000 years never tried any serious rebelion to overthrow their Germanic and Hungarian overlords
@@montella111 For 500 years, the Serbs were concubines of the Ottomans, and whenever a shot was fired in their direction, they would run wherever they could. Corfu was their favorite tourist destination, while they left their wives and children in the country.
A vi ste pa veliki ratnici,imali ste tisucljetnu historiju punu velikih bitaka.
Lepo je rekao Vojvoda Misic:Hvrati su najhrabriji narod,ali zato sto se nicega ne boje.Nego sto se nicega ne stide.
@@igormilojkovic6128 Who cares what Zivoje said. George Clemenceau, who was the French prime minister during WW1, said the following in his speech in Versailles, quote: The Serbs have followed the tails of our horses. They are the scavengers of allied victories.
Although I for some reasons symphatise with this man and historian, I found this episode especially "luke" (neither warm or cold) in the sense of clear and categorical moral attitude, but even regarding mentioning some crucial facts, which is even worse than not making it, since now this question (Croatia in WW1) seems covered...I guess our Stefan knows more than he mentioned, which is understandable. Delicate and polite as he seems, he probably didn't want to offend Croatians by mentioning some low things in their history, but the price turned out to be - Nothing really clearly and deeply explained (which even seems pretty inevitable for those who are not from there). Therefore I decided to do "dirty job" instead of him and briefly mention those clearly distinctive, interesting and crucial things.
Austria-Hungary had national questions of it's many minorites totally unsolved. Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats, Pollacks,..wanted to have same rights as Austrians (GERMAN Austrians, i.e. those Austrians who stated that their mothertongue is German, which did over 90% of Austrians in the last austrohungarian census in 1910.) and Hungarians had (yes, national conflicts were bursting in Austria Hungary). Hungarians had (yet another-) a national uprising against Vienna, but didn't want to acknowledge and respect the very same national awaking of their own various non hungarian ethnic groups, which were making MORE THAN HALF of that time Hungary's population (!). The only official language in (big) Hungary was Hungarian.
Serbs were living both as minority in the great Hungary and (also) in Kingdom of Serbia, which had just liberated itself of almost FIVE CENTURIES LONG muslim ottoman oppression. Yet, and still, in Bosnia (bought by Austrian Empire from dying ottoman Empire) peasants were not free and had no vote right. They were mostly (bosnian) Serbs, living as serfs under muslim rulers (- 99% local converts to Islam, i.e. not Turks from Turkey) with all what that meant (the christian peasant i.e.serf, had to give 1/3 of the crop (annually) to muslim lord, who also could take serf's wife for a night, etc).
And this diabolical ottoman organisation of society was PRESERVED (in Bosnia, when A-H moved in) by Austria-Hungary, because of political reasons (-hate and rivalry against the small and independent serbian Kingdom), thus making Bosnia the last pocket of feudalism in those days progressive Europe. Gavrilo Princip was descendant of such serfs and stated several times how hard life was for them (serfs) in ottoman- and austrian Bosnia.
So, Bosnian Serbs were longing to finally unite themselves with their serbian brothers on the other bank of Drina river (-Serbia), which was perfectly natural and was not going against any other nation, but imperialistic Austria-Hungary wanted something else, to add Bosnia to itself and therefore had made an annexation of Bosnia to "Mother Austria" (-it was really called like that publicly), while bosnian people were mostly Serbs, not Germans (-so Austria really wasn't att all their "mother" in sense of national and cultural identity).
In the same time, Croats, alike muslim converts, wanted Austria over them in Bosnia (after the ottoman absence), not Serbia, and committed bestial war crimes on serbian soil, exactly in those mentioned (in this video) austro-hungarian military formations which even had croatian command officers, and never payed for it! That's because Croatia and Bosnia, parts of defeated Austrian Empire, unified themselves (after collapse of Austria-Hungary) with victorious small Serbia - into Yugoslavia (-the first Yugoslavia, i.e. one from 1918. until 1941.) which was terrible stupidity of the serbian government, especially of Nikola Pasic. Serbia suffered TERRIBLY during WW1, proportionally the most (about one third of population died in it) by far of all countries.
The worst in those crimes against serbian civilians was exactly 42nd Croatian Home Guard infantry division, called Devil's Division (Vražja divizija). "The division was known for it's terrible crimes, including rape, torture and murder against the serbian population of Western Serbia" (Wikipedia). It was commanded by Stjepan Sarkozić, an ethnic Croat (one of those formations which were granted to use Croatian as the official language of command, instead of Hungarian or German).
Behind that scarce formulation "serbian population", there were (as victims) exclusively women, children, and old people, since the active male population was absent, being on retreat (serbian army's retreat over albanian wilderness to the greek island of Corfu).
And less than three decades later, Croatians enthusiastically joined Wehrmacht, like they did austrohungarian army in WW1, and AGAIN escaped consequences by joining the SECOND (communistic) Yugoslavia!
That time, the most "famous" was
The 369th (Croatian) Infantry Division, which adopted the name Vražja Divizija (Devil's Division)AS A TRIBUTE to the mentioned 42nd Landwehr division in WW1!
You forgot to say whether you are talking about north or south Coratia. 😂
Please explain.
finally Croatia
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If you already mention the First World War, and you want to be objective, then write, publish, and if you don't know anything about it, research what kind of crimes Croatian soldiers committed in 1914, 1915 around Srem, Mačva. Then also research about Ustasha crimes against Serbs, Jews and Gypsies in concentration camps in NDH between 1941-1945. Years.
Whataboutism. Btw, check the channel. I made lots of videos about Croatia in WW2.
Nothing compared to serbian crimes to albanians, bosniaks, croatians and bulgarians in ww1, ww2 and in the 1990s...serbs raped over 70.000 children up to 7 years in concentration camps
My great great grandfather was mobilised into AustroHungarian army and died of typhoid fever. His wife and 4 kids were left alone. His eldest son (my great grandfather) was 9 at that time, and his whole life he kept the letter that his father wrote at his death bed, he knew he was going to die. This letter has survived untill this day and I have a copy of it. It is a dear memory to my family and to me also.
Very interesting to read. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for mentioning Trialism. in fact emperor Franz Joseph was also in favor of Trialism. Wen hunagrian king Charles(Karlo) V signed the document of Trialism he said that with this signature he corrects historical injustice toward Kingdom of Croatia. we only had same king within him and emperor within Hapsburg monarch but Kindom of Croatia had much autonomy in the empire in contrast with other people and nations.
Ban(viceroy) is co-ruler and that title is ours and ours alone. Croatia was divided in 5 Banovinas,regions governed by Ban and each of them had Županijas(for example Montenegro/Doclea was županija) which are smaller regions governed by Župans. both ban and župan are ancient titles....ban is about 3000y old and for the župan the earliest mentioning is in 10th century by people like Ahmad Ibn Rustah.
About 40 000 Croats died in Galicia in Ukraine during the Great war. Worth noting that territory of entire empire belonged to us.We are inhabiting the Europe for 2000y and present day Croatia for 1500. if UN would give to us all the lands that belonged to us Croatia would have been largest country in Europe by area. from Bavaria to Moscow and from half the Poland to the south to half the Albania. I speak the truth. Austria is known in history as lower Bavaria and german emperors wrote that Croats live there. During the time of Great Croatia lands from Slovakia to the east,entire Ukraine,belonged to us....even Moldova and some parts of Romania which still have Croatian minority living there in the north. Almost entire Hungary was also part of Great Croatia....the second most common surname in Hungary is Horvath(Croat). Ukrainians are not ashamed of their croatian origin...in fact we have so much love for them seeing them as our brothers and sisters as well as they have for us.
All that is in the book of RUSSIAN historian Alekxander Mayorov Velikaya Horvatiya(Great Croatia). so russian claim and has backed this with archeological evidences.Capital of Great Croatia was Stilsko which exist today. later on with arrival of Ostrogoths we moved further west founding Krakow as capital(original name was Hrvat) and spreading our lands to Slovakia and Czechia known as state of White Croatia and in the 7th century most of us came here...I say most because there are some evidences suggesting we inhabit this Croatia from Roman times so from 2nd or 3rd century. Bosnia to be precise. in July 7th 879 ad we have been internationally recognized as country during reign of dux Branimir whom was called as rex(king) in the nation...though early middle ages titles were not seen in same manner as we are seeing them today. but for the sake of this Bible I am writing...lol...Tomislav was crowned as first king in 925 a.d and next year is a big party....1100y of Croatian Kingdom.
fun fact...Enlgand wil also celebrate...Athelstan,son of Edward was crowned as first king of all England in 925 a.d. and late HRM Queen Elisabeth˙s great grandfather was born in Croatia and she is direct descendant of Ban Nikola Šubić Zrinski. but she is also descendant of Kyievian queen. why I am writing all this? Because I want to teach people who think we belong to someone or our lands are not rightfully ours or Croatia is young nation etc...i have seen every kind of nonsense and stupidity.
so it is because of us that Serbia started WW1 because the idea of Great Serbia would be impossible if Trialism would have happened. Serbs cry for their empire to this day...i dont mind...they can claim Greece if they want.
If any danger would happen now in this troublesome times to territorial integrity of Croatia I am prepared to defend it....Its beauty,our people,our history...I am also prepared to defend our old homeland Ukraine.
Worth noting...N.Š.Zrinski who saved civilization as cardinal Richeliu poetically said fought 100 000 ottoman turks....2000 Croats in the fortress...few hundred hungarians and i think four serbian nobles. fair is fair...it must be said. men died as heroes under command of captain N.Š.Z(he renounced the Ban title and duty to go to Siget).
Serbs did so much evil to us in last 150y....2 genocide among other things. 3x robbing Croatia....etc
Ne seri
@@Foxyloxy357 Buraz... kaj ti je
@@Foxyloxy357 nazad u školu mladiću
Koje iznesene laži, da li stvarno misliš da će neko da ti poveruje samo ako je napisano na engleskom?! Porediš Hrvate sa Mađarima, Česima, Slovacima, Rumunima?! I pričaš o granicama Velike Hrvatske?!
@@nekipanic sve je znanstveno i arheolosko dokazano. Mi nemamo izmisljenu fiktivnu povijest kao vi srbi
You know we always enjoy a video on the Balkans ⭐😎
Okey, but we Croats do not consider our country part of the Balkans, and it is offensive to us.
On the other hand, before 1918 we were never part of the Balkans and since 1991 we have returned to civilized Europe to which we have always belonged
@@ivanhus3852 Hi there, no offence was intended. Before making my comment, I wondered about that and checked Wikipedia. The term by most definitions does include large parts of Croatia and so I went ahead.
@@mammuchan8923 No problem, we are Central and Mediterranean Europe, not balkans.
@@ivanhus3852 gotcha. I had a short visit to your country in 2012. The people were very kind, and the natural beauty of your country left me speechless. Have a great day further!
@@ivanhus3852 I live in the Mediterranean, the Balkans and southern Europe, just as, for example, Swedes live in the Baltics, the Scandinavia and Northern Europe.
Don't bullshiting.
As a Mediterranean, Greeks, Montenegrins, and Italians in mentality are closer to me than Continentals, regardless of whether they are Slovenians, Croats or Serbs.
Ferdinand didn't support Croatia for 3. land in Habzburg monarchy he support South Slavik part of state!!!
Ok.
Ok.
Amazingly detailed! Bravo.
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There was no Croatian lands (plural) in the context of 1918. The map you are showing while referring to Croatian lands is a map of Southern Slavs highlighted as one ethnic and language group. There is only ONE Croatian land and it was the one that was coupled (NOT merged) with Slavonia in 1868 under the name Croatia-Slavonia as a province of the Hungarian Crown. Slavonia was an empty frontier region after withdrawals of Ottomans in 1699 and was therefor settled by colonists from other parts of Austro-Hungary. Dalmatia was a distinct province under the Austrian Crown with a completely different history (Venetian) as well as city of Dubrovnik (Ragusa). Istria (north-western peninsula of present day Croatia) become part of Croatia in 1945 for the first time ever in history.
In 1918, the following 4 ex-Austro-Hungarian provinces of (1) Carniola (Slovenia), (2) Croatia-Slavonia, (3) Dalmatia, and (4) Bosnia-Hercegovina formed a political entity known as the State of Slovenes, Croats, and Serbs. This entity merged with the victorious Kingdom of Serbia accepting the Serbian King as supreme ruler.
Calling Dalmatia, Slavonia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, and Istria, Croatian lands when discussing the year 1918 is playing favouritism even if they may or may not have (depending on validity of source) belonged to an entity known as Croatia in the 10th century AD. Following this rule we could also call them Illyrian, Celtic, Byzantine, Roman, Hungarian, Austrian, Slavic, Bosnian, Serbian, Ottoman, etc. lands as all these factions have held these territories at some point in history.
Ok. I refer to my sources.
Bosnians and serbs were created by ottoman empire
Very interesting again. Thanks 👌
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Emil Uzelac was a Serb, and most of officers who were descending from the Krajina region
I see.
@@HistoryHustle Yeah and the catholic church knew that so they tended to turn brothers on brothers whenever they could. It was a convenient opportunity to get rid of the orthodox population in just 30 years they managed to destroy more than 2 million Balkan s orthodox populus... The mastermind behind all atrocities in the Balkans is and was allways the catholic church... I World War - concentration camps for Serbian civilians in Bosnia and Czech and massacres in Bosnia, Hercegovina, and Croatia - II World War genocide in NDH and deportation of all Serbian males in concentration camps, 90s war ethnic cleansing of Croatia from Serb population and the ones who stayed they turned to the catholicism...do some thorough research... not just superficial... you'll see the devil sneaking behind all the bloody mess...
Uzelac is Serbs as much as Putin is, that Serbs chauvinism that every Orthodox person on Balkans is Serb, is just tired idea that makes Serbs a planetary MEME.
Srbija do Tokya
@@OsmicaOsam can you please take your ignorance someplace else? please...
@@zoricca1 actually croats and serbs are different from each other...
Croats are of slavic, gothic and illyrian origin...
While serbs are of turkish, roma, kurd and vlah origin...
Serbs took there barbaric and uncivilized mentality from there turkish grandfathers...and did a genocide to croats, bosniak and albanians in 1990s like turks did to armeniand, kurds and greeks in the ww1...
There was no ethnic cleansing in croatia in 1990s on serbs (only on croats)
Serbs always claim whole balkans from thenself same like turks do.
Croats should have gotten independence, not rule from Belgrade.
The west forced the Serbian crown to make a country with the Croats
It didn't happen though and many did support a Yugoslav state.
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Were a lot of croats in Mlada Bosna....
@@matelozancicthat was ustashe
Belgrade give you indenpendence
Thank you for the video, it's quite informative. I believe you cover the events well and present them in an interesting and orderly way. Though, I wonder what you meant by sharing that statement about Croats having a statehood history (facts, all fine with that) and saying that's "in contrast to most other language groups in the region": Bosnia had a state in Medieval Age and so did Serbia - even an empire. Bulgaria, too. Greece, Albania, too. Secondly, the assassination of Franz Ferdinand was hardly a direct reason for WW1, just which serious historian would support that?
It is interesting how Croats started both world wars on the losing side and ended up in the winning camp.
Thats how they operating even today
Just pure will!We were stateless for 900 years... We still survived and got our country back!❤
@@matelozancic Off course they didnt have that.They do still have their national sport....Visiting Croatian videos on RUclips and spamming the comment section
@@matelozancic Serbian ultranationalists and their current fascist government still want new wars.Serbian propaganda is one of the ways to keep their spirits up
dude in ww2 you butchered allmmost all serbs and roma people you could lay your hand too dont act naive@@matelozancic
What dou you mean? Croatia did not exist at that time.
See video.
Great content. Thanks. BZ
Thanks for watching.
Croats were always loyal to the Habsburg, and many of them were decorated. It was only by 1918 that they reluctantly joined Serb-led Kingdom. That’s why you do not see Croats complaining of Austrian rule often since it was good old life for them.
Great review Stefan ✌🏻🫶🏻 have a great weekend and 🍻 cheers
Yes, you as well. Have a good one!
pod srbijanskim kraljevstvom hrvat ska je dozivela naj veci procvat u svo malom i jaddnom zivotu. sada im je brisel glavni grad umesto beograda.opet nisu suverena drzava. austrijski onjusari.
Preporucam promjene lijekova.
jesi spremio recitaciju za Putina? :)
Croatia wasn't a country but only a territory. They formed in 1991 with unconstitutional forced split. This video discredited itself in minute 1. They are not different as people from other Balkan countries and majority is of Servian origin.
See video.
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Buddy Croatia existed since the 7th century
The Republic of Serbia only became independent in 2006.
Croats are of slavic origin...
Serbs are of kurdish, arab and roma origin...
Serbs are creation of ottoman empire
4:04 This is a shocking picture from a dark past. So sad back then. I hope this region lives in peace now.
Obrigado, Stefan! ヽ(͡◕ ͜ʖ ͡◕)ﾉ 🍀 🇧🇷
Thanks for your message.
Thanks. I think your hopefully forthcoming program about Bosnia Herzegovina would be even more intriguing.
Dont you see the map?? Its part of Croatia during ww1
@@jelicadujmovic9781 croatia ???? You mwan Austro Hungary
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During World War II, the entire territory of Bosnia-Herzegovina became part of the Independent State of Croatia, and before the Ottoman conquest, there existed a Kingdom of Bosnia which was Catholic.
I gotta study history and this really helps, thanks mate !! (I'm Croatian)
Rhere were fair number of Croatian generals and admirals too, but for that rank you had to speak German well.
Think so too yes.
Vienna's favorite groomsmen🐴🐴🐴
bolje bit dio austrijskog carstva nego bit u istoj drzavi sa nebeskim narodom.....turcima
Nasli austrijanci ljude da ginu za njih @@matelozancic
where is your glory? Niether that flag is not your🇷🇸 then Byzant.Your flag is 3 horseshoe and that you can see in 13 century.3 horseshoe simbol of serfs the poorest People in Russia.That is your name serf
The Ottoman Turks in "Servia" had the right of the first night of a "Servian bride".
@@TheSouth-j7f Normaly
Bosnia was never part of Croatia!
Where did I claim that?
It was from 9th-11th cenutry
Great history lesson! Enjoyed
Thanks John.
A very rushed presentation with pieces of this and that thrown together. There were NO Croatian generals in the AH Empire of Croatian descent or otherwise (only Boroević); over 1/3 navy personel were Croatian but NO commanders (odd, right?), "Green Cadre" (essentially deserters who took to banditry). You are right - the Croatians brought the disaster with the common state on them by themselves - no one forced them. The problem with unification is that each side interpreted "unification" differently. For Croats a confederal state but with federal capital and parliament in Belgrade) for the Serbs in essence a great Serbia with a strictly centralist goverment (king and parliament). One stupid decision leads to another and you have a recipy for a disaster in making.
I refer to my sources.
Za Kralja i Domovinu🇭🇷🇦🇹🇭🇺👑
Ok.
My great-grandfather was a member of the Mounted Dalmatian Rifles division (reitende Dalmatiner Schützen - rtDSch, - D). He fought on the Italian battlefield. The battles were extremely violent and no one was spared. Due to the dreadful conditions on both sides, no prisoners were taken. To not waste ammunition, they had maces to finish off the soldiers of the opposite side.
Brutal times. Thanks for sharing.
Stephan, your videos are excellent. You do such a good job. Thanks
Great to read.
...you forgot to mention general Svetozar Boroevic role during WW1, and how the greater serbian policy behaved towoards non serbs..and why cfroats began to feel very angry...and caused resistance against that state.
Thanks for sharing.
Gen Milan Uzelac was Ortodox Serb.
Who also worked for the Ustasha organisation during WW2.
No he wasn't. He was orthodox by his faith but that doesn't make him of Serbs origin. Don't lie or make up facts.
Thanks for sharing.
He was croatian patriot, he was orthodox and 100% croat and austrian, certainly not servian
Was by the origin than he change for benefits as many Croats and Serbs in Bosnia who become Muslims during the Otoman Empire and they are Bošnjak now. That is way Empires work.
Stjepan Radic was not hapy, he was sceptical about Kingdom of Serbs, Croatians and Slowenian and he wea killd in Belgrad parlament his Brother Pavao too
Thanks for sharing.
Always learn, thank you!
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You don't need 7 minutes to explain Croats in any world war. It's simple, they had masters in every, they tried to be as best puppy as possible and to make sure that masters horses were well fed. The end.
More anger than wisdom here.
Croats always fought against there occupant....while serbs were humble servants of any conquerer and in ww1 of french, british and american
That was not to be croatian state in austro hungary but slavic including slovens and serbs and muslim bosnian
Please explain.
@@HistoryHustle slavic people are generaly regarded by europe as a lower race and didnt have any real positions of power but they comprised a big portion of the country so in order to pacify them they try to say that but in reality it probably would not happen.
Just like they use ukranians to do their dirty work but dont care a out them
@@matelozancic this fantasy has no basis because even kings jester was not croatian let alone someone important while serbs in austrohungarian military frontiere were constititional croats were slaves and that pushed eugen kvaternik to rebel so austrohungary killed him.
Ottoman empire had serb grand vesirs like mehmed pasha sokolovic and serbian language was recognised as official while Mehmed pashas brother was the patriarch of pech whose jurasdiction went from greece to budapest.
It is a shame vienna didnt fall than but it will now through turkish birth rate
No, it was gonna be a Croatian state. That was the whole point. Serbs had won their independence from the ottomans and now they wanted to unite the Serbs that lived on the territory of the Austrian empire with the kingdom of Serbia. Serbs that lived on the territory of the Austrian empire were coexisting with Croatians, and Austrians needed Croatians on their side if their wanted to keep the control of these territories.
That's why Franz wanted to elevate the Croatian kingdom to the same level with the Hungary and Austria.
The idea was that over time the Croatian identity will overpower and absorb other national identities, and Serbia will lose it's influence over the region.
After centuries of living as the second class citizens in the Austrian empire, and under the constant attacks from the Ottoman empire, things were finally looking good for Croatians, as there was a long lasting peace and they were close to achieving the equality with the Austrians and Hungarians.
But then Serbs killed Franz and kick-started the world war, where Croatians and Serbs found themselves on the opposite sides of the fight.
After losing the war, Croatians were forced to choose between having their territories split apart by the neighboring bigger countries, or to go under the Serbian king, submit under the people who they just fought in the war, but keep all their territories within one country.
@@matelozancic serbians are just turkish rebels that eat pork
Maksimilijan Njegovan refused the demand of two emperors in the First World War to bomb Venice.
The Croatian admiral Njegovan reached the rank of vice admiral as commander of the Austro-Hungarian navy. He also reached the position of Commander-in-Chief of the Austro-Hungarian Navy, which united a triple role. Commander of the Fleet, Commander of the Navy and the position of Chief of the Naval Section at the Ministry of War in Vienna. In addition, he became a member of the Secret Council, which advised the ruler on certain general issues of domestic and foreign policy, as well as on financial and military issues. The members of the Secret Council had a direct influence on the decision-making process in the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. Membership in that council was reserved only for the highest military and state officials.
Thanks for sharing.
@@HistoryHustle I am a little bit proud that Njegovan didn't bomb Venice. It is a beautiful city, and it really didn't make sense to bomb Venice.
Awesome content as always 🤘
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My great grandfather was from Medjimurje, a region of Croatia between Drava and Mura rivers. During the Great War men from Medjimurje (as well as from Slovenian Prekmurje) were mobilized mostly in 48th K. und K. Infantry Regiment or 20th Honved Infantry Regiment. Both units were from Nagy Kanizsa (Velika Kanjiža) in Hungary. I am still trying to discover in which of those units my great grandfather served during the Great War..
Thanks for sharing. Good luck with your research.
@@HistoryHustle Recently, I visited the Harkany spa in Hungary. Many graveyards around the town and the nearby towns are from the WW1. I noticed many soldiers' as well as officers' names on the tombstones are common Yugoslavian names (Bosnian, Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian).
Croatia is a artificial ethnicity. Catholic Serbs, Kajkavian Slovenes and Slavic speaking Hungarians and a Serbian sponsored country are the todays Croats.
Just bullshit.
A follower of the Dobrica Ćosić doctrine.
Unlike you Serbs, Croats have a history. As for your Serbian history, it is one big fabrication from A to Z, based only and exclusively on theft and falsification. You are mostly Croats by origin, and after the church schism, you switched to the Orthodox faith.
Croatian also has the oldest script, Glagolitic, the only recognized script in the Balkans besides the Greek script. We have history written in stone, from the king who gave poor Serbs land in the year 926. Otherwise, today's Serbs would be like Kurds!
We are not Turks, you are
Much anger, little wisdom here.
My grand-grand father Toma Sertić faught in Galicia against Russians and was killed in front on 28. december 1915 (when there were still Russia).
He celebrated birth of my grandfather and they had couple of drinks of course started to fooling around, Russians noticed that and throw them grenade in trench.
3-4 people who survived told the story.
There is nothing glorious and honorable in Croatian history.
Much anger, no wisdom in this comment.
@@HistoryHustle Wisdom is in facing, accepting and acknowledging the crimes committed. Croats proudly glorify their history and their crimes without a trace of shame.
@@ninatomic6800Another lie that spread from the genocidal Serbian tribe that committed unprecedented crimes in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina from 1918 to 1995.
@@ninatomic6800 Typical Serbian Nationalist.Serbia won the battle of Kosovo,Vukovar and Srebrenica never happened and NATO bombed Serbia for nothing 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You ultranationalists are getting crazier and crazier.I know my normal Serbian friends hate you
@@ninatomic6800 serbian history = being 500 years loyal turkish vazall
Starting ww1
Doing the biggest genocide and war crimes on european ground in the 1990s and glorify this genocide untuil today with "noz, zica..."
Thats serbian "glorious" and "honorable" history
It's a curious thing, the origins of WW1 lie in the politics of Austria - Hungary However the little knowledge most people have of the conflict centres on the western front and Germany & Allies.
Policies of Serbs and Black Hand terror network.
Yes, there were other big fronts too.
You have no clue
Ok.
@@Greensanctuary-c4w how would you know he is wrong? You read something different in some silly unsigned article on some obscure blog? Stay out of this
Croatia did not exist as a country at that time, but gained its statehood (in some form) after the Serbian people were bled to death during the First World War. By the way, ironically many Austro-Hungarian military units consisted of Croats and committed crimes in Mačva, Srem and Bosnia.
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@dominikbt7891 - That's why you will stay where you are - at the bottom of culture and morality.
@@matelozancic If you had joined us during the defense and liberation of the South Slavic territories, we might not have had to retreat to Corfu. Unfortunately, you are destined to be German poodles during WWI and WWII. And some still can't get out of that role today!
@@AMEurope333And you are destined to spam every Croatian video on RUclips together with other Aleksandar Vucic's bots and cry why Croatia is an independent country now
@@dominikbt7891you probably should because those who don't truly learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Croatia never existed as a country. Title of the video should be Austria-Hungary in WWI.
See video.
Yes it did. Not exactly a country in a modern sense but as a Kingdom Of Croatia. History is long in the Balkans I suggest you open a textbook. Croatia didn't manage to form a state earlier because of Austro Hungarian hegemony and ideas of Slavic peoples union at that time. Croats and Serbs are two similar but different tribes of Slavs. In my view more similar than different but that's another subject.
Thank you Serbia for creating our Country 🥰
Please explain.
@@HistoryHustle During World War I, Croats fought mainly on the Serbian Front, the Eastern Front and the Italian Front, against Serbia, Russia, and Italy, respectively as part of Austro-Hungaria. In 1918 Serbian army as winning side entered Slavonia..Croatia, Dalmatia and Slavonia with Rijeka were declared an independent state, which immediately accessed the newly formed Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. State lasted until WW2 when Croats Allied with Hitler and created NDH..but that is another bloody story..
@@pupinpupin9307You do not even know the name of the "State". I was never "Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes" but "Kingdom of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs". Serbs were last, where they belonged.
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Croatia was an independent kingdom for centuries in the Middle Ages, what you say is absurd.
@@user-xj3ve7wt8k And capitol was Serbian capitol Belgrade, king of "State" was Serbian King Alexader Karadjordjevic....how is that?
After World War I, he (Radić) had opposed the merging of Croatia with the Kingdom of Serbia without guarantees of Croatian autonomy.
Radić was selected as a member of the National Council of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs.
On 24 November 1918 he famously urged delegates attending a session that would decide the country's political future not to "rush like geese into fog".
He was the lone member of the National Council's central committee to vote against sending a delegation to Belgrade to negotiate with the Kingdom of Serbia.
On 26 November, he was removed from the central committee.
Taj Borojevic bio je Srbin i u austrougarskoj vojsci bilo je i Srba,.pa i u ratu s Italijom.
I see.
Report upon the atrocities committed by the Austro-Hungarian army during the first invasion of Serbia It is a book with reports by Archibald Reiss, all his reports were published in the regular press of Switzerland and other countries. It is very easy to find and primarily puts the so-called Croatian units in the foreground.
Please explain.
@@HistoryHustle what's there to explain? He clearly told you what information to look for by which author. Archibald Reiss a Swiss national, described all war crimes that Austro-Hungarian troups (croatian and bosnian muslim nationals) commited in Western Serbia in 1914 - 1918
Vi ne odustajete od laži i svoje kvazi istorije😅😅😅@@zivanbojic5054
Archibald reiss a serbian 😂😂😂😂
@@mrasabaharsa-kq2fn No he is German
Again thank you Sir for producing another brilliant video lecture. We in United States have a rather short memory. Forgetting that Croatia fought in WW1 and WW2. Thank for reminding us of important fact. Once again thank you for sharing your expertise and knowledge on the subject!
@@matelozancic are you that supremely ignorant. The United States entered the First World in early 1917, The Second World War in 1941. Perhaps you forgotten Pearl Harbor. You chaps in The Second World War rap women, butchered children etc. Now be good little chap, and study history and get a hobby.
@@matelozancic You must be incredible ignorant. The United States entered the First World War in early 1917 and completely crushed the German Imperial Army in it's sector. As for Second World War The United States entered 1941 not 1944. Perhaps you forgotten Pearl Harbor. And we through our industrial might and military prowess , the aid of Great Britain, The English Common Wealth, Free French, exile Poles, and Free Dutch ended that conflagration late 1945. As for Croatia, it's fascist forces raped Serbian women, tortured families, committed mass murder of Jews,, and Turks and Gypsies. You have a lot of nerve to utter such a blatant coment. You shoul go back to school and get an trade.
@@matelozancic You are a coward . I replied twice to your asinine comment. Twice you censored my correction . You are not only cowardly but dishonest. Get a bloody hobby.
@@matelozancic This the third time I posted my response. The United States entered World War One in early 1917 not 1918. Second correction , The United States entered the Second World War in1941 not 1944.
This correction of historical errors was made on three occasions. The United States entered World War One in early 1917 not 1918. The United States entered World War Two in 1941 when Pearl Harbor in Hawaii was bombed bye The Japanese Imperial Naval task force. And we finished the war, alongside our allies, completely victorious. This individual conveniently forgets that Croatia, under fascist leadership, committed a host of atrocities. My hope is that this individual goes to school and earns an honest trade.
My great greatfather was prisoner in Russian front. He got back in 1920, two years after the war. He basically walked around 2500 km. I got my name in his hounor.
Thanks for sharing.
What did the average person see as their identity? Did Croats consider themselves Croats under all the different empires?
Good question. I do not know.
Why do serbs Confiserie themself as serbs...when they are more turkish? (500 years under turks)
Some did , some didn't.
Most considered themselves as Croats, some had a more regional identity (Istria, Fiume, Dalmatia) some indentified with the monarchy. Some were of mixed ancestry, like in any other part of Empire. Most Croats were used to King and Empire, weather they were satisfied with monarchy or not.
Education was not really easily accessible in those days. University in Prague was a popular destination for croatian students from family with means.
Dalmatia was one of the poorest regions in Austrian part of the Empire, and most isolated cause the roads were bad. Northern Croatia and Slavonia were richer and better integrated in the monarchy. Whole of North Adriatic was more developed because of harbours and quite ethnically mixed. There was a stark difference in education and living conditions between cities and villages. Most of the population lived in rural areas.
I am Croatian ,my Great grandad fought on the Italian front,Austro Hungarian troops against Italians,when the war ended ,and Austro Hungarian army collapsed,he was a POW,in Italy ,but he managed to escape back to Croatia
What did your family do in WWII?
@@js4182 one of my great grandad was ustasha,other grandad was Tito partisan ,so i had ustashas and partisans in my family
@@kikecroatia1777 Wow that is one hell of a combination. So you are a Croatian-Serbian mix? You are like a real Yugoslav.
@@js4182 no i am pure Croat, Croats completed almost 40%of Tito 's Army
@@js4182 Tito was also a Croat
My grand grandfather was on the russian front. He was born in Bosnian Krajina. Got captured and was in the russian captivity . Everyone taught he was dead but one day he came back .
Wow, the same as mine.
Elem, pošto je uspeo u svom ishitrenom naumu , te ubio Radića i ostale petokolonaše(na svoju i opštu sramotu) Puniša Račić jeste Srbin..u svakom drugom slučaju, on bi bio Crnogorac (od Vasojevića)... jel'?
Who knows..
We fight for austria my gran gran father fight in tirol wounded dangerous times every war is stupid politics guilty not people
I understand. Thanks for sharing.
Serbia started WW1 and Serbia committed genocide in Srebrenica 1995.
No and yes.
@@HistoryHustle Who started WW1? You do not know history
Not Serbia.
@@HistoryHustle In 1911, the Serbian King Karađorđević founded the Mlada Bosna organization in Bosnia, which aimed to join Bosnia and Serbia, and in order to succeed, they had to get rid of the Austrian authorities in Bosnia. Then the king ordered the members of that organization to kill the Austrian heir to the throne, Franz Ferdinand, while he was visiting Sarajevo in 1914. After the murder, Austria attacked Serbia and thus WW1 began.
After the 1st WW King Aleksandar saved Croatia and Slovenia from integrations theirs land into the Italy, Austria, Hungary. Same was happened in 2nd WW. There was qute around "Slovenians and Croatians was happy 4 times in history" 1st Time when get saved by King Aleksandar Karadjordjevic, 2nd When He is killed, 3rd When TITO make Yugoslavia, and 4th when he died :)
It was the King Peter I who runed the state and made Kingdom of SCS.
Aleksandar was just a Swiss College student, second in the Throne after the older son George, and not fit for the military, even had schizophrenia mental condition on the Corfu island 1917 after the Army was expelled from the Serbia.
That war recorded on the short documentary of the visit to some Regiment on Corfu.
He was just a junior Regent, and had to wait for the resigning of older son George from the right on Throne, also from the mental condition.
Both sons were mentally unstable, maybe because of the war trauma, both being by the Montenegrin mother that died in their childhood, and their sister too.
@@yellowwasprakija2869 there was no genocide against serbs....only against bosniaks and albanians in the 1990s...and against albanians and bulgarians in ww1
I like that you mentioned the Green Cadres. My Garandfather was drafted into the Austro-Hungarian army towards the end of the war. At that point it was clear he was canon fodder. He deserted and joined the Green Cadres. Eventually, he was captured, jailed and sentenced to death. Thankfully, the war ended before the sentence could be carried out. After the war, he lived in a town (Beočin) in a part of Croatia that would later be annexed into Serbia and cleared of most of its Croat population. He worked as an electrical engineer for Siemens which after 1941, put him on a hit list. Thankfully, he was tipped off by one of the local Serbs who knew he was not a fascist and he ended up in a refugee camp in Austria with his family before repatriation to Yugoslavia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Cadres
Very interesting to read. Thanks for sharing.
The current security system in Europe, consisting of NATO and the EU, will not exist forever. It will fall apart. And then: Serbia, Italy and Hungary, as allies, will fairly divide Croatia.
Serbia will get half of Slavonia and half of Dalmatia.
Italy will get Istria and the other half of Dalmatia.
Half of Slavonia, Central Croatia and the access to the sea in Lika will belong to Hungary.
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Croatia is suffering from a severe demographic crisis. The number of newborns in Croatia has decreased to less than 32,000 in 2023, which is enough to maintain the population at only 2,400,000 (number of births * life expectancy in Croatia (75 years)).
At this rate, the number of births in Croatia will drop to only 27,000 by 2030. Which is to maintain a population of only 2,000,000.
As such a micronation, Croatia will not be able to defend itself. And it will be fairly divided between: Serbia, Italy and Hungary.
Wow, that is the spirit. You honestly wrote this long message for what? Spreading hate. So much anger, so less wisdom.
@@HistoryHustle I wrote it to support your channel. 😉
The comment predicts a certain future. Whether you like it or not.
@@MisterJovkeYour future prediction is equal to all past states throughout the ages, which is to be an eternal loser.
Shortly: war with the Ottomans - you lose it; war with all the countries of the former Yugoslavia - you lose it; you have Kosovo - you lose it, etc. etc. It's really not that difficult to predict Serbian future. Eternal looser.
@@MisterJovke italians and serbs are known as the worst soliders and biggest cowrds in humans history 😂😂😂😂
Serbia will be divided like this:
Albanians will get Nis, Sandzak and Presevo
Croats will get Vojvodina
Turks will get Sumadija, central serbia and belgrade
@@HistoryHustleHe is in the trending. I hear every day on tv that Putin is coming to conquer Croatia.
Zelenski claim that if Ukraine loose war that all of us going to live in dictatorship.
If you ask me I prefer to live in Italy 🙂
Write about Macedonia
I did.
My grand grand grand father was in autro hungary navy
He wasn't in yugoslavia because he had problems with the law.
He was Croatian
Thanks for sharing.
lol i was next to that train monument today
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First 😎
2nd but close!
My grandfather told me his father was Austrian. Later I found out they were from Rijeka (or Fiume) in Croatia, yet never did I once hear they were Croatians or see any hint of the Croatian language. Mysterious!
Borders changed after WW1.
City of Rijeka had native Croatian and Italian population. All other ethnicities came during Austro-Hungarian era and vanished when city came under Italian rule.
There's ni mystery about it.
@@Harahvaiti But we found out they were Croatians, with their original name and DNA tests, so why wouldn’t we have heard this before they died? The whole family said they were Austrians? Not one mention of Croatia or their Croatian ethnic group. Strange!
@@krisjustin3884 in Rijeka there were ethnic Croatians that became political and cultural Italians keeping their Croatian surnames or barely Italianized. It's possible your fsmily went the same process but choose Austrian identity
@@Harahvaiti That makes some sense, but still have no idea why I never heard the word Croatia. Seems like these poor people even lost their identity with Austrian and Italian colonization. Thanks for your informed help.
I am, like a Serbian, who enjoy learning history every day, for me one thing is not understandable.
Croats and Serbs are the same thing, same language, same names, same surnames, same traditions, same everything, except the religion, we are Orthodox, they are Roman Catholics, that's all.
I can't imagine how is that possible to Croats going to fight for Germans against the Serbs in WWI, literaly against someone who didn't do nothing against them and who is so closely related to them... One of those soldiers was a Yugoslav communist president Tito, he fought against Serbs in 1914.
Really tough time, but again, what's happend with their minds, Austrian Empire wasn't their state, they were segregated in that country, just like Serbs was in Turkey, how is that possible that they go all over Europe and fight for them, against French, Russians, even Serbs, something incredible remarcable ...
Politika druže. Srbi ratovali pod Turskom zastavom protiv Hrvata koji bili pod Austo-Ugarskom, Kasnije kako kazes Hrvati i Srbi zajedno jer je živjelo i puno Srba u Austro-Ugarskoj protiv Srba u WW1, pa opet se nasli na dvije razlicite strane u ww2. Žalosno a rijetko koja država ima toliko sličnosti kao naše dvije. Pozdrav iz Hrvatske.
@@luciferspiro Dobro, bez ljutnje, nisam bas ucio u istoriji da su Srbi ratovali protiv Hrvata u turskoj vojsci, bilo je janjicara, ali hriscanskih Srba, mozda neki mizerno mali broj, istrazicu to, zanimljiva teorija.
Jos ih je manji broj bio na K&K strani da ratuju protiv Srba u WWI, to je mozda max. dvocifren broj.
Meni je samo krivo gde se glorifikuje u danasnjoj hrvatskoj svakodnevnici ucestvovanje Hrvata u WWI i postavlja se da je to sasvim normalna i super stvar, ratovati za tudjeg gazdu protiv Srba, taj narativ i ta ideja mi je bas, bas "otuzna", mozemo mi ratovati izmedju sebe do sutra, ali ne za tudjeg gazdu, da li Turcin ili Svaba, to je nekako moja tacka gledista, taj momenat mi je nejasan.
Slicno tome je momenat gde se u Hrvatskoj npr. Gavrilo Princip podvodi pod zlocinca i teroristu i da je negativan istorijski lik, jer je zeleo slobodnu Jugoslaviju, dok je austrijski prestolonaslednik tragican monarh, kojeg je ubio srpski divljak i zlocinac, ti momenti mi prosto nikada nece biti jasni...
Molim bez uvrede, ovo je samo pitanje konotacije pogleda na istoriju i politicke stavove, nikako vredjanje nacije ili skupine ljudi, Hrvati su mi neizmerno dragi i ne smatram ih strancima, niti se smatram strancem kada dodjem u Hrvatsku, da li kod rodbine (koji su Hrvati btw), da li na more ili gde god :)
I can't believe the Serbs joined the Ottomans against Croats and other Christians at Nicopolis but here we are
There was a war and young Serbs from Croatia, Bosnia and Vojvodina were conscripted into Army and sent to fight Serbs in Serbia, alongside Croats, Hungarians, Austrians and every other ethnic group in AU monarchy. It was war, it was not a choice.
Lost of life in Europe after WW1 was enormous , tragic and traumatic for generations. Nobody wanted to go to war and die.
"Another" Great" one "Instructor"!!
Thanks for your response.
@@HistoryHustle
Again, do the history.
I told you, read Arcibald Reiss(German)
In his memoirs he write what croatians did to Serbs in in Serbia(macva i podrinje) in WW1.
So called "vrazija divizija"
devil division.
End if this is NOT enough, read
what said Austrian Vice-Marsall Gerther abaout
croatians in WW1.
why don't you talk about Chetniks and their crimes
@@krunek6 because I already did.
Yes
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you speaking bullshit, idea about tripartite empire is that all slavic nation in morchy be third party(czechs,slovaks,serbs,ruthenians,polands,slovenians,moravians,croats together not croats alone) .Today borders of Croatia is not croat historical borders . Dalmatia in history has never been a part of Croatia either ethnicaly,territorially or culturally.
Much anger, no sources.
@@HistoryHustle Ever wonder why Republic of Croatia have such a strange and unnatural shape?
@@djolemadzarevic Serbs and multiple other nations stealing your land for centuries does that to you.
@@hans7407 Your sentence is a little bit confuse. Can you be a bit more precise: Who stole and who was stolen?
Serbs are not slavs...they are ottoman gypsys...just saying
What Croatia? There was no Croatia before, during or after WW1. What is called Croatia today was formed as a republic within SFRY after the WW2, from what before that were Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia.
See video.
@@HistoryHustle Obviously, I'm commenting on the title, which makes no sense.
Croatia wasn't invented by Yugoslavia
@@59vlada croats exist back when gipsi-serbs slept with goats in iranian mountains
@@hans7407 serbs were invented by turks...serbs are not european