Thanks so much for doing this comparison! I like the Granite Ridge better than the Ekko at least on paper - factory lift, single-fuel hot water/heating, a longer bed for taller people. I wonder if Winnebago will make any changes to the next version of the Transit-based Ekko. I do think Winnebago treats its customers better than Thor however.
You are very welcome and thank you for taking time to watch our video and subscribe to our channel. There are define several thousands of dollars in added value items as you mentioned. I’d love to have a week or so with one and really dive into it for sure.
Hello, congratulations! 🎈🎉🍾 that is so cool. You will have to keep us posted on your travels. Please feel free to reach out if there is anything we can share with you. I’m sure you will have fun. Best wishes ahead.
Nice video. I thought the door latches both inside and out were nice. The batwing could have potential if it wraps into the other awning. It’s for sure less likely to get tree damage back there. I kinda like the telescoping ladder too. My sprekko has a heat duct in the back bedroom too.
I would agree that the additional heating duct to the bedroom is a plus. However, I think it should have been elevated so that feet/blankets wouldn’t block the duct.
nice video guys. We are in between the Ekko and the 23S (Jayco) actually and your feedback is gold. Wonder why these guys (both manu) don't put a truck camper style SKYLIGHT in their bedrooms!!? After all, we all want to be outside even at night. The Ac should be mounted in the front or "hallway".
Yeah, definitely agree with the lighting. They may be also trying to reduce the amount of roof penetrations. In respect to the air conditioning unit in the Sprekko version they relocated it which was good. But yes, the other two models it’s pretty obnoxious right above the bed. Thanks for sharing in our adventures and taking a peek at our channel and helping support channels.
I like the Granite Ridge dinette design, but I’ve sat in it and it’s uncomfortable. But so is EKKO with skinny seats. The Winnebago 23B Sprinter dinette looks great but adds 1.5 ft. I want to stay under 23, so I hope Jayco motivated Winnebago to improve dinette in EKKO 22A Transit.
The most be thing that I found uncomfortable was the lack of upper back and neck support. I feel if the cushion were raised slightly it would help. I agree the Sprinter dinette is a lot more comfortable but as you stated the length over all could be an issue in some parking respect around town. Looking at the construction of the bench it would not be too difficult to modify the existing. Thanks for watching our video and subscribing to our channel. Greatly appreciate it.
I'll say again that the lack of a real third passenger seatbelt is a dealbreaker, but definitely prefer the bathroom. The extra room when sitting on the toilet would be worth the occasionally wet toilet seat, especially since they also give you a bathroom vent fan. It reminds me somewhat of the wetbaths in the Intech travel trailers, which I was really impressed with as a 6'3" guy when I did a test sit inside one. I doubt I would even use the chintzy little bathroom sink they provide for much and probably just use the kitchen sink like I would in a van. The extra storage compartment above the fridge probably makes having it mounted a little lower worth the trade off. Also, prefer the extra drawers in the bedroom and in the kitchen and also the kitchen layout overall, which (as you mentioned) is very similar to the Sprinter Ekkos. Plus, they also provide a convection microwave, unlike the Transit Ekko. Overall, this does appear to provide a few more features than the Ekko for a little bit of a lower price as well.
Hello, First, sorry for missing this comment, I am usually on top of these things. We greatly appreciate your feed back and taking time to watch our channel. Yes, these are some heavy weight contenders for sure.
Nice quick overview. As nice as that rear window looks. It took away wall space to build up a center nightstand console like some have done in the EKKO. Wait… larger tires on a Transit? So there must be a way to program the larger tires. On the EKKO o think some of upgrades to a heavier duty rear sway bar.
Hello Richard, thanks for the kind comment and the follow up. Interestingly enough, I argue that my computer has already adjusted for the increased tire size on our EKKO. I got into a discussion about this in one of the Facebook groups, and finally just said down more because it was going down a spiraling Tunnel with no end. But I have to believe that it compensated on its own and hears why. I have gone through multiple speed traps as well as construction zones where they flash your speed as your traveling through and I am either 100% spot on when I’m set to cruise control, or I’m within 1 mph every single time. I believe the vehicle does learn
My only concern with the coach fuel being used for the heater is that I’ve seen these on lots with the 25gal fuel tank instead of the 31gal. They only use a little, but a little over a week is 5gal… That said, it is still better than propane fired heat I think. I went diesel heater in my van with a 5 gal auxiliary tank mounted next to the fuel tank for the transit. Used the little trim below the filler neck to mount the diesel tank filler. Eventually I’ll buy the fuel door for the transit diesel and make that work, I’ll also got the 31gal tank on the van. My generator is a very overkill 3.5L ecoboost and it eats into that range enough as it is. 😅
I understand your concern about the fuel consumption of the heater when using a smaller tank. It's definitely something to consider, especially if you anticipate extended use. The diesel heater setup you described for your van sounds well-thought-out, particularly with the auxiliary tank to ensure you have sufficient fuel. Transitioning to a 31-gallon tank for your van seems like a wise move to mitigate the impact of both the heater and your generator on your fuel range. It’s also great to hear that you found a convenient way to mount the auxiliary tank filler using the trim below the filler neck. Once you install the fuel door for the transit diesel, it should streamline your refueling process even further. It sounds like you’ve done a lot to optimize your setup for reliability and convenience! Thank you for checking out our channel.
The starlink and sway bar is a game changer. I don’t think the sitting area looks nearly as comfy cushion wise, and not being able to remove the table is odd. I like the back window and door magnet catch. Does the ekko have an outlet in the bathroom?
Yes, I agree with you on the suspension enhancements and the Starlink being presided. Oddly enough the bench was pretty comfortable. I would add an extra back cushion, but otherwise it was pretty nice. Yes, the EKKO does have 110 in the bathroom, but that’s because the shower wall separates the two areas of use.
You have some solid points on that. I’d say though the drawers and doors were actually more solid and closed a lot better than the EKKO. There were some other things that struck me interesting too. Thanks for taking time to watch our video and share your thoughts.
You left out the Helwig helper spring. Sprinter Ekko has upgraded suspension and all terrain tires. I expect winnebago will go to diesel heat and hot water on the Sprinter soon.
Because this setup has the BFGoodrich 225-75 R16's should that not mean that the Transit that our EKKO's are built on can be programmed to accept those tires for the speedo and associated systems?
That is a great question. It’s also one that’s been up for a debate on several of the Facebook groups. I can tell you what my personal experiences and yet it’s still been argued amongst many but I have solid proof. Shortly after we updated our tires to the 225/75/16 again going from a 205-7516, I initially had a speedo error of a couple of miles per hour give or take based on Actual speed. As the months continued on, I started to notice that the speedometer was becoming very accurate. How many of asked how do I know that and how can I prove that? The simple answer is as we were traveling between states, as well as within our local jurisdictions, like many there are Speedometer/radar signs. Some are in construction zones and some are as you’re coming down mountain twisty windy roadways. Each time I check my speedometer to match that of the speedometer/radar checkpoint my miles per hour or spot on. It was rare that I even saw 1 mph variance. Typically when I know that I’m approaching the speed checks, I will intentionally set my speedometer/cruise control at a determined speed. I then go through the checkpoint and without any variance it’s spot on. The other thing that was argued was Miles per gallon must be completely off as well. When I check fuel consumption based on miles traveled utilizing Google map including the on board miles per gallon/destination to empty. It also indicates that it is spot on. The only way that I can explain this is that the computer begins to learn and or adapt. I’m confident somebody would argue that one as well, but either I have the smartest EKO in the world or simply the Ford transit computer begins to learn. Not sure if this helps but it’s just been my experience
Interesting and something to look into. Is it possible that your installer adjusted a setting on the Transit to accommodate the new wheel size? It is the one thing that has kept us from upgrading our wheels.
Great question, in respect to cabinets and trim detail, I think they both could use a little QC control along the way. Little out of square, some missing screws, etc. very comparable in many aspects.
Hello, Hope you’re doing well. I completely agree I did not have my tape measure because I wasn’t even prepared to see one of these but I believe you are correct.
I’ve been reading different things. One piece of information states 887 lbs. but that seems a bit low, however as I understand the the it works, this is not to include passengers. Dry weight is around 10,113 lbs and GVWR is 11K.
My concern is obviously things in the Jayco are less quality wise. I know that saves $ and lowers the price, but is it b/c Thor bought Jayco? Don't want another Thor product.😢
@@Kdm702 it does seem like a place of concern if the vehicle is running while stationary, especially if the the window is open and creates a vacuum. Such as the Max air fan being on. However, I’m not too sure why someone would need to keep the vehicle running while stationary. But something to definitely remember. Thank you for checking out our video and channel.
Lithium matter 320 Amp hour with Solar charging, shore charge and engine secondary alternator. You can also opt to use the onboard Onan 2800I generator.
My understandings is the walls are 2” and and it was designed to be a Fourseason vehicle. Very very similar and so many ways to that of the EKKO by Winnebago. I did notice that the Jayco exterior garage doors are slightly thinner than that of the Winnebago EKKO. But that doesn’t necessary negate anything per our value because I don’t know what the doors are filled with.
The question revolves around the routing of the water piping and heating. It appears the heating is hydro in the floor so may not heat compartments as Ekko.
Yes, they’re using a Timberline heating system that pulls directly off of the main fuel tank. In theory, at higher elevation it should continue to function.
They went with an induction oven. The placement for it was just above the refrigerator in a cabinet It seems to be the new trend, as I’m noticing more and more going away from the propane. I’m 50-50 on that myself right now
@@ekkonesters599 Oven doesn’t replace surface. Of course you can use induction surface. We sometimes use in Ekko to avoid condensation from propane when cold out.
These 22 foot Ekko style RV's should copy the layout from the Aeon RV and move bathroom into entryway and sideways the bed to allow a sleeper length couch in living area. The "lounge" area in the Ekko is a joke.
@@Uno-5Q Here's a revised version: That's a great question, and it's actually pretty straightforward to answer. Jayco created a Class C RV that’s almost identical to the original Winnebago EKKO. However, it seems that Jayco might have been paying attention to the EKKO’s evolution and the modifications that many EKKO owners were making, such as: - Van Compass lift kits - Upgraded tires without spacers (225/75/16) Jayco included these upgrades in their version, which EKKO owners typically had to purchase separately. This topic often comes up in the EKKO and Jayco Facebook forums. When comparing two very similar builds, and one manufacturer includes popular modifications while the other doesn’t, it’s worth considering, especially if the models share the same chassis. However, depending on your situation, this information might not be as relevant.
So? Winnebago also went to Europe and copied their motorhome designs. That’s what companies do. They see where success is and try to do it better and/or cheaper. First is just a place to start. They will be competitors and many will be very good. This shouldn’t be news.
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Thanks so much for doing this comparison! I like the Granite Ridge better than the Ekko at least on paper - factory lift, single-fuel hot water/heating, a longer bed for taller people. I wonder if Winnebago will make any changes to the next version of the Transit-based Ekko. I do think Winnebago treats its customers better than Thor however.
You are very welcome and thank you for taking time to watch our video and subscribe to our channel.
There are define several thousands of dollars in added value items as you mentioned. I’d love to have a week or so with one and really dive into it for sure.
I bought that Jayco Today!
Hello, congratulations! 🎈🎉🍾 that is so cool. You will have to keep us posted on your travels. Please feel free to reach out if there is anything we can share with you. I’m sure you will have fun.
Best wishes ahead.
Jason, it’s so nice that you’re so informative on everything!
Thank you 🙏.
Nice video. I thought the door latches both inside and out were nice. The batwing could have potential if it wraps into the other awning. It’s for sure less likely to get tree damage back there. I kinda like the telescoping ladder too. My sprekko has a heat duct in the back bedroom too.
I would agree that the additional heating duct to the bedroom is a plus. However, I think it should have been elevated so that feet/blankets wouldn’t block the duct.
nice video guys. We are in between the Ekko and the 23S (Jayco) actually and your feedback is gold. Wonder why these guys (both manu) don't put a truck camper style SKYLIGHT in their bedrooms!!? After all, we all want to be outside even at night. The Ac should be mounted in the front or "hallway".
Yeah, definitely agree with the lighting.
They may be also trying to reduce the amount of roof penetrations.
In respect to the air conditioning unit in the Sprekko version they relocated it which was good.
But yes, the other two models it’s pretty obnoxious right above the bed.
Thanks for sharing in our adventures and taking a peek at our channel and helping support channels.
I like the Granite Ridge dinette design, but I’ve sat in it and it’s uncomfortable. But so is EKKO with skinny seats. The Winnebago 23B Sprinter dinette looks great but adds 1.5 ft. I want to stay under 23, so I hope Jayco motivated Winnebago to improve dinette in EKKO 22A Transit.
The most be thing that I found uncomfortable was the lack of upper back and neck support. I feel if the cushion were raised slightly it would help. I agree the Sprinter dinette is a lot more comfortable but as you stated the length over all could be an issue in some parking respect around town.
Looking at the construction of the bench it would not be too difficult to modify the existing. Thanks for watching our video and subscribing to our channel. Greatly appreciate it.
I'll say again that the lack of a real third passenger seatbelt is a dealbreaker, but definitely prefer the bathroom. The extra room when sitting on the toilet would be worth the occasionally wet toilet seat, especially since they also give you a bathroom vent fan. It reminds me somewhat of the wetbaths in the Intech travel trailers, which I was really impressed with as a 6'3" guy when I did a test sit inside one. I doubt I would even use the chintzy little bathroom sink they provide for much and probably just use the kitchen sink like I would in a van.
The extra storage compartment above the fridge probably makes having it mounted a little lower worth the trade off. Also, prefer the extra drawers in the bedroom and in the kitchen and also the kitchen layout overall, which (as you mentioned) is very similar to the Sprinter Ekkos. Plus, they also provide a convection microwave, unlike the Transit Ekko.
Overall, this does appear to provide a few more features than the Ekko for a little bit of a lower price as well.
Great tour! Really enjoyed the tech insight on the suspension upgrades. Critical information on these heavyweights.
Hello, First, sorry for missing this comment, I am usually on top of these things. We greatly appreciate your feed back and taking time to watch our channel. Yes, these are some heavy weight contenders for sure.
@ekkonesters599 No worries at all. I have two channels and it can take me weeks to respond to everything. Love the channel.
very informative!! great to see a comparison, however Betty in my opinion is tops!!!
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Nice quick overview. As nice as that rear window looks. It took away wall space to build up a center nightstand console like some have done in the EKKO. Wait… larger tires on a Transit? So there must be a way to program the larger tires. On the EKKO o think some of upgrades to a heavier duty rear sway bar.
Hello Richard, thanks for the kind comment and the follow up.
Interestingly enough, I argue that my computer has already adjusted for the increased tire size on our EKKO.
I got into a discussion about this in one of the Facebook groups, and finally just said down more because it was going down a spiraling Tunnel with no end. But I have to believe that it compensated on its own and hears why.
I have gone through multiple speed traps as well as construction zones where they flash your speed as your traveling through and I am either 100% spot on when I’m set to cruise control, or I’m within 1 mph every single time.
I believe the vehicle does learn
The star link permanent roof setup on the Jayco unit is of interest
Agree. Given it’s already factory installed really adds additional value in my option too.
My only concern with the coach fuel being used for the heater is that I’ve seen these on lots with the 25gal fuel tank instead of the 31gal. They only use a little, but a little over a week is 5gal… That said, it is still better than propane fired heat I think. I went diesel heater in my van with a 5 gal auxiliary tank mounted next to the fuel tank for the transit. Used the little trim below the filler neck to mount the diesel tank filler. Eventually I’ll buy the fuel door for the transit diesel and make that work, I’ll also got the 31gal tank on the van. My generator is a very overkill 3.5L ecoboost and it eats into that range enough as it is. 😅
I understand your concern about the fuel consumption of the heater when using a smaller tank. It's definitely something to consider, especially if you anticipate extended use. The diesel heater setup you described for your van sounds well-thought-out, particularly with the auxiliary tank to ensure you have sufficient fuel.
Transitioning to a 31-gallon tank for your van seems like a wise move to mitigate the impact of both the heater and your generator on your fuel range. It’s also great to hear that you found a convenient way to mount the auxiliary tank filler using the trim below the filler neck. Once you install the fuel door for the transit diesel, it should streamline your refueling process even further.
It sounds like you’ve done a lot to optimize your setup for reliability and convenience!
Thank you for checking out our channel.
The starlink and sway bar is a game changer. I don’t think the sitting area looks nearly as comfy cushion wise, and not being able to remove the table is odd. I like the back window and door magnet catch. Does the ekko have an outlet in the bathroom?
Yes, I agree with you on the suspension enhancements and the Starlink being presided. Oddly enough the bench was pretty comfortable. I would add an extra back cushion, but otherwise it was pretty nice. Yes, the EKKO does have 110 in the bathroom, but that’s because the shower wall separates the two areas of use.
It's a good alternative since it's a little cheaper. It is a Thor product so I'd like to see owner's reviews in two or three years.
You have some solid points on that. I’d say though the drawers and doors were actually more solid and closed a lot better than the EKKO. There were some other things that struck me interesting too. Thanks for taking time to watch our video and share your thoughts.
You left out the Helwig helper spring. Sprinter Ekko has upgraded suspension and all terrain tires. I expect winnebago will go to diesel heat and hot water on the Sprinter soon.
Because this setup has the BFGoodrich 225-75 R16's should that not mean that the Transit that our EKKO's are built on can be programmed to accept those tires for the speedo and associated systems?
That is a great question.
It’s also one that’s been up for a debate on several of the Facebook groups.
I can tell you what my personal experiences and yet it’s still been argued amongst many but I have solid proof.
Shortly after we updated our tires to the 225/75/16 again going from a 205-7516, I initially had a speedo error of a couple of miles per hour give or take based on Actual speed.
As the months continued on, I started to notice that the speedometer was becoming very accurate.
How many of asked how do I know that and how can I prove that? The simple answer is as we were traveling between states, as well as within our local jurisdictions, like many there are Speedometer/radar signs. Some are in construction zones and some are as you’re coming down mountain twisty windy roadways.
Each time I check my speedometer to match that of the speedometer/radar checkpoint my miles per hour or spot on.
It was rare that I even saw 1 mph variance.
Typically when I know that I’m approaching the speed checks, I will intentionally set my speedometer/cruise control at a determined speed.
I then go through the checkpoint and without any variance it’s spot on.
The other thing that was argued was Miles per gallon must be completely off as well.
When I check fuel consumption based on miles traveled utilizing Google map including the on board miles per gallon/destination to empty. It also indicates that it is spot on.
The only way that I can explain this is that the computer begins to learn and or adapt.
I’m confident somebody would argue that one as well, but either I have the smartest EKO in the world or simply the Ford transit computer begins to learn.
Not sure if this helps but it’s just been my experience
Interesting and something to look into. Is it possible that your installer adjusted a setting on the Transit to accommodate the new wheel size? It is the one thing that has kept us from upgrading our wheels.
The lack of a three-point harness seatbelt in the back for at least one person is an immediate deal breaker.
Jayco FTW.
How would you compare build quality to its WGO competitor?
Great question, in respect to cabinets and trim detail, I think they both could use a little QC control along the way. Little out of square, some missing screws, etc. very comparable in many aspects.
The garage doors on the EKKO appear to be slightly larger.
Hello,
Hope you’re doing well.
I completely agree I did not have my tape measure because I wasn’t even prepared to see one of these but I believe you are correct.
Is the Jayco able to handle the winter?
My understanding is that it is a 4 -Season.
What's the OCCC compared to Ekkos?
I’ve been reading different things. One piece of information states 887 lbs. but that seems a bit low, however as I understand the the it works, this is not to include passengers.
Dry weight is around 10,113 lbs and GVWR is 11K.
Hey - where is the fresh water tank? And grey? Is it a 4 season rig?
Looks like the Jayco has waste tubing storage in the bumper and I believe the dinette is probably converting to sleeping
What was the price difference?
It depends who you purchase from.
I’ve seen the EKKO for about 140 K
And the granite ridge hovering around the same price.
My concern is obviously things in the Jayco are less quality wise. I know that saves $ and lowers the price, but is it b/c Thor bought Jayco? Don't want another Thor product.😢
I can understand the concern. As for your question, I don’t know for sure about the quality aspects overall.
I don't think I'd want the heating and auto exhaust pipes coming out under the angle open windows like that.
@@Kdm702 it does seem like a place of concern if the vehicle is running while stationary, especially if the the window is open and creates a vacuum. Such as the Max air fan being on. However, I’m not too sure why someone would need to keep the vehicle running while stationary. But something to definitely remember.
Thank you for checking out our video and channel.
Dusty Rhodes, "If you will" ! lol
If you will 😂 seems to be a common theme of mine at times.
Where is Li battery?
Li battery and solar?
Lithium matter 320 Amp hour with Solar charging, shore charge and engine secondary alternator. You can also opt to use the onboard Onan 2800I generator.
So similar to Ekko in that too, with a bit less solar. I find solar useless anyway in Idaho.
Is it four season?
My understandings is the walls are 2” and and it was designed to be a Fourseason vehicle.
Very very similar and so many ways to that of the EKKO by Winnebago.
I did notice that the Jayco exterior garage doors are slightly thinner than that of the Winnebago EKKO.
But that doesn’t necessary negate anything per our value because I don’t know what the doors are filled with.
The question revolves around the routing of the water piping and heating. It appears the heating is hydro in the floor so may not heat compartments as Ekko.
Say more about the heater. Does it run on gasoline? If not one propane tank is a deal killer!
Yes, they’re using a Timberline heating system that pulls directly off of the main fuel tank. In theory, at higher elevation it should continue to function.
Thanks. Then, since there is no gas stove, what is the propane tank for?
The outside kitchen has a two burner propane cooktop. @@lleach7
@@lleach7 i think its for the outside kitchen and a portable grill
No surface cooker?
They went with an induction oven. The placement for it was just above the refrigerator in a cabinet
It seems to be the new trend, as I’m noticing more and more going away from the propane.
I’m 50-50 on that myself right now
@@ekkonesters599 Oven doesn’t replace surface. Of course you can use induction surface. We sometimes use in Ekko to avoid condensation from propane when cold out.
These 22 foot Ekko style RV's should copy the layout from the Aeon RV and move bathroom into entryway and sideways the bed to allow a sleeper length couch in living area. The "lounge" area in the Ekko is a joke.
The walls are 2 inches thick.......🙂
There is no spare tire on Jayco😂
I saw that but the JBL speaker was removed too possibly the dealer removed the spare for safe keeping
I’m curious, who really cares about the tires and size?
@@Uno-5Q Here's a revised version:
That's a great question, and it's actually pretty straightforward to answer. Jayco created a Class C RV that’s almost identical to the original Winnebago EKKO. However, it seems that Jayco might have been paying attention to the EKKO’s evolution and the modifications that many EKKO owners were making, such as:
- Van Compass lift kits
- Upgraded tires without spacers (225/75/16)
Jayco included these upgrades in their version, which EKKO owners typically had to purchase separately. This topic often comes up in the EKKO and Jayco Facebook forums. When comparing two very similar builds, and one manufacturer includes popular modifications while the other doesn’t, it’s worth considering, especially if the models share the same chassis. However, depending on your situation, this information might not be as relevant.
Obvious copy of Ekko. Affiliated with Winnebago?
It's a Thor. Thor purchased Jayco in 2016.
So? Winnebago also went to Europe and copied their motorhome designs. That’s what companies do. They see where success is and try to do it better and/or cheaper. First is just a place to start. They will be competitors and many will be very good. This shouldn’t be news.
Personally, I will never again own an RV that has nothing but an uncomfortable “1950’s diner” booth dinette for seating🫤
Then why are you watching this?
@@youdidntbuildthat47 hoping that it offered an “optional” comfortable sofa or theater seating💥
Swivel the front seats
@@joniboulware1436 car seats don’t count😂just give me theater seating or a comfortable sofa “option”👍