1927 Packard Found in Abandoned Philadelphia Factory Sitting for Over 40 Years
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- In this episode Matt, Mike, and the team from Cabin Fever Auction Company travel to Northwest Philadelphia to help rescue a 1927 Packard sitting in a closed down Machine shop / Factory since the 1970's and off the road since the 1950's. John Paul's Father has owned this building since the 1970's and bought the Packard in approximately the 1940's. The property is being sold and the family wanted help relocating the car to a proper garage so they can attempt to get it road worthy again. We tagged along to document removing the old Packard from it's tomb.
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This car is a Survivor. Clean it, polish it, repair it mechanically, but preserve it as close to its original condition as possible. Cars like this are irreplaceable.
Absolutely right
I agree, completely!
AND, "barn find condition" vehicles are going for more money... restored cars are common, this car would stand out and win car show awards under the category of "pre war, original, un-restored
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I think this one has more sentimental value than anything else. Both in what it is, and what it means in terms of memories to the family.
100 agree
As a 40 plus years hot rodder I have to say just do a full clean up, leave the patina, sort the mechanics out & drive it. What a gem 👍🏻.
Thanks for sharing.
As others are saying, PLEASE don't modify it! Restore it faithfully and leave it at that.
Its already been modified, not to mention a no name will restore it....
Mechanical resto and keep the patina and soul of the car,what a beauty.
I'm with you. Mechanical resto and drive it. A car is only original once.
My thoughts exactly.
Me too, too nice to restore, only original once...interior cloth can be found easy enough! Nice car.
Well then you ruin the originality of the mechanicals. SMH
Lol once a car starts to degrade then it is no longer original. Originally it didn't have rust. Retired cars are more original then an untouched rust bucket because it is the same as when it left the factory.
I wouldn't be afraid to polish what's there - surely it was already repainted at some point in its' 20+ years on the road - but there's always the question of not wanting to end up with an abandoned project and the cost factor of a four-door sedan especially only being worth so much and it being easy to sink more than that into a full resto.
How awesome would it be to just walk around those buildings and see what’s all in there, old tools and such
If the walls could talk.
Definitely a full restoration. Cars like this are very rare and it deserves to returned to its former glory.
Clean it up and leave it all ORIGINAL!! That is a piece of history and work of art. Please do another video when you get it cleaned up. AMERICAN CRAFTSMANSHIP... Its like the Old Saying, " THEY DON'T MAKEM LIKE THAT ANYMORE"......
Diddo...too that
I lived a few blocks from there in N. Philly in the '90s and '00s, and I'm honestly amazed that car is still there and has been all that time. There are people who would have stolen it just for the scrap metal. Beautiful car and it makes it even nicer to have some history on it via John Paul.
When I was building/fixing Model A's with my brother (I was 15/ 16 at the time) my brother came home and said "Grab a shovel I found an engine" he took me over to the back of a gas station. There was this large mound of dirt. "Dig here" he said. After a while, here was this fully intact 4 cylinder engine. We put it into his 30 2dr sedan, what was one good running engine after we freed it up.
That's so awesome! I love these stories you guys share. We all have crazy ones, but this is a really good one. Thanks for sharing Richard! -Matt/ITG
my grandpa used to drive around a stripped down model a with a apple crate for a seat. he ran low on oil in the middle of nowhere one day, so he stopped by a creek, filled a bucket with water, and poured it into the crankcase to make "milkshake", so he could get home. he also said he used a grease and oil impregnated shoe tongue for a rod bearing, and that it still ran and held great oil pressure when he sold it. guy who bought it ran it like that for as long as he could remember. i really wish i could have known him, or older people, just so i could hear their old crazy stories.
@@IronTrapGarage Matt I do have more also. lol
@@frigglebiscuit7484 I've heard a story before of using leather for bearings. Congrats!
@@frigglebiscuit7484 Milkshake is inspired genius stuff. Mind blown.
My grandfather owned this car. I had many rides to church as a child in this car. I never thought that I would ever see it again.
Wish I could have been there to see that car in person... I'm a sucker for collector cars. That car is candy for me. Thank you for saying its being restored and not turned into a chopped disaster.
It should not be restored. The patina it has is priceless. Get it running, and give it a bath, and just enjoy it. Contrary to what people are taught to believe....there is beauty with age.
Agree. Only the mechanic parts should be restored. The outside still look rust free. This would probably have more value without restoring what doesn't need to than restoring every detail of the car.
I would rather have the steering wheels with little crack with a transparent coating to preserve the original look than having it fully restored.
The older you get the uglier you get. Don't forget that it's a fact of life. Have a look in the mirror when you hit 60,70 & 80
In my neck of the woods we have a category called "BARN READY" for antique cars in running condition but not refinished, just like many daily drivers were after WW II when many people were waiting to get delivery of a post war car.
@@luwdmke that's kind of a bad comparison
Surprising to see the paint still had gloss on the sides/corners so looks like it will clean up so nicely and keep original. Just go through the running parts to bring up to spec with new parts as necessary. Notice the leg room in the rear passenger compartment - my dad had a '37 Packard 54 door for our family when I was a boy - fine old auto, made to last and for comfort.
Pop the head and drop the pan - get it all cleaned up and broken loose. Change all the fluids and get it running. Scrub it down good and make it an oily rag special. Very elegant sedan.
That's exactly what we suggested too! -Matt/ITG
@@IronTrapGarage Dreamers. Engine seized after sitting for 70+ years( do the math) is more than Stuck! Good luck with it. Would have been nice to have popped the hood and looked at it. Perhaps I skipped over that part. First the OH door is open, then not.
That should have been a 10 minute video.
Deserves a full restoration. A true piece of American history. Amazing find, can't wait to watch the resto
It’s always awesome when the customer teaches the guy doing the work....how to do his job
Preservation not restoration.
I think that paint and upholstery will clean up really nicely with steam cleaning and a good wash and buff/wax. I'd definitely go for the full mechanical restoration. Those old Packards are sweet to drive. What a remarkable car!
Looked like cheap 1950's seat covers...
The original seat fabric was actually presentable from the little we peaked underneath! -Matt/ITG
I would get the thing running, fixed what needs to be fixed, and leave it as is. The condition of it for sitting 40+ years is absolutely amazing.
Definitely keep it original. Just clean it and get it running.
That cars in better shape than my 5 year old Jeep!!
Haha better shape body-wise than my F250 that's for sure! -Matt/ITG
This is a perfect car to maintain as a survivor. Body looks to be in great condition. Be interesting to see what's under those seat covers.
Mohair.
Mechanically restoring it to running condition and the family cleaning it up and leaving it original is the respectful thing to do to the car and it's history.
Fabric will be very fragile. It will need replaced. Roof liner etc
Probably pecker tracks
A miracle find like that just never happens. It's amazing. Please restore it but not change it.
Restore motor and rust areas. Keep everything else original.
Repair the mechanical side. Leave as much of the original car as possible.
Thanks for taking us with you that was way cool to see the Packard in that old building.
Get it driving and just enjoy its originality , great show, very heartwarming :-)
Wow! Thank you so much for sharing the rescue and story and historical look at car, company, and family here in my own backyard in Philadelphia!
Clean it up and keep the time capsule intact.
I agree George!
If the seats are just covers and the original fabric is underneath, I'd say sure. It's original. But if the cloth or other items aren't fully original? It's not a "time capsule". It's just another parts car. I say full repop. Let's see the glory days of 1927 and the way a Packard is suppose to look!
Totally agree. Please just bring it all to spec. If I was in the area I'd pay to see.
@@crforfreedom7407 Just another museum piece than nobody should ever fingerprint?
@@WCM1945 This may be an extreme example, but I look at Jay Leno's garage; full restorations and he won't have ANYTHING he won't drive. I'd feel better handling a repop fully gone through than a pieced up antique. THAT'S in my opinion what usually goes under glass; something you can't afford to restore, or keep as original as possible for best resale $$. I don't thing fingerprinting has much to do with leaving it mostly untouched, and if one were to ever seriously try and drive it even around the block after the engine was freed and freshened, it would take a whole lot of drive-train redo, and I think you know that....
If he can't afford a full repep, fine. Just say that. I don't like hearing people makes excuses. Just be honest. It's going to cost I'm guessing about $60k min to get that back. Maybe as close as $85K. That's a chunk to drop on a family hand-me-down unless you have a lot of disposable income. Leave it untouched if you want to hold resale. Otherwise, I say lets see what 1927 looked like... What Packard engineers were thinking, dreaming and envisioning for the future, not knowing what just 2 more years would bring. This is truly a historic vehicle....
A restoration would destroy everything this car is right now. Awesome history, awesome backstory, and a beautiful survivor. Mechanical repair, buff, polish and drive.
They are only original once and to restore it, you would lose what patina and history she holds.
While I fully agree with the cosmetic aspect, and with the thickness of the lacquer used on it, it should be just fine, the electrical is asbestos covered wired and would be disintegrating everytime that beast is fired up till one day a total short out. Also, the brake shoes and the clutch plate are made with asbestos and would also disintegrate once put to use. Period type wire that is not asbestos and the same for the brake shoes (shoe only with this one?) and clutch can be obtained easily and would help it come to life.
Azri'el Collier that is why my comment said “mechanical repair”. All your listed aspects fall under mechanical to me.
Wiring on any car pre 1950’s is scary at best.
@@sonofeloah Well, if its loaded with asbestos, it can't really catch fire, then :)
For the record, asbestos was never banned. You still have it on all brake pads, I'm almost positive. Just don't go screwing around indoors with it and use a respirator.
The upholstery would have to go. The black mold is no joke.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 if the upholstery isnt disintegrated from mold I'm sure there there are some great fabric preservers with mildicide. The old upholstery too has it's own story to tell, until it is truly destroyed by age and another chapter of the story is added.
I've worked in the automotive industry since college, I program factory automation and right now am doing a retool at a Ford transmission plant from the 6R to 10R (rear drive transmission) so I see my share of automotive comfort, but being able to see and touch and live by driving a piece of a storied bygone era should never be taken for granted for modern comfort. If you want new, comfortable upholstery the world is your oyster, appreciate it while you have it, when it falls apart and really needs reupholstering you will be contributing to, not revising, its story.
Thanks for the video - that Packard is amazing. Pull the engine, check the bearings, rings, internals. Clean it up and put it back together.
So emotional! One day I will get back my grand fathers' cars!
I agree with the comments I have seen so far. The family should get the car running mechanically and drive it car shows.
The car is a survivor. Not many of those. Fix only what's wrong, for now.
Chop it, lower it and put 22s. be sick bor
@@BARFYADAMS no no no no no no no.
Only original once. Keep it that way.
I once heard a saying " If it aint broke, don't fix it " .
This was a great video, cool history on the car and building.
something this close to original, with so little wrong, and in such good condition, no, you don't do that.
+Lyle Are you crazy?
Please restore it and keep this one original. Cars like this are a treasure.
Great video !! Thanks for including shots of the machinery.....
That car is an incredible survivor. It should be left as is, but made mechanically sound.
I'd update the safety stuff.
There isn't any car club I know of in Illinois where that's not only not slammed for points, but clearly advised. Drum brakes suck. I've had them.
I know what would have to be done on a bike to switch over to discs (get a thicker fork) not sure on a car, I'm betting there's some suspension parts that would need to be stronger.
I've had cars with back drums (97 Accord) but discs are better. They're a friggin nightmare on a bike! Wow, did Harley make some GARBAGE parts. lol. I mean, 1st item of business: dump new parts for stuff that actually works and often costs a lot less...Barnett clutch; was WAY better than theirs. I've stopped the bike with it alone.
Lightly restored, rust taking care of. Definitely new gaskets for the engine!
Packards were one of the 'Three P's' of luxury for the era.
Packard, Pierce Arrow and Peerless were the best luxury cars you could buy through the 20's and 30's.
Do a sympathetic restoration and get the car mechanically sound but leave as much of the original pieces in place.
The interior should be put back to original since it has already been changed at some point but leave as much as you can.
Mechanical work on these old cars is not cheap since there are few craftsmen left that can properly pour babbitt bearings in an old block like that one.
You're forgetting the quintessential luxury/Hollywood car: The Duesenberg.
@@kevinfetner7983 The Three P's established themselves as the premier luxury cars in the early 1900's into the teens which was long before Duesenberg came along in the late mid to late 20's.
My Dad, a New Yorker from 1919 (when he was 27) until his death in 1973, told me that Packard's luxury appeal was distilled in their marketing slogan, "Ask the man who owns one."
I'd have to say Duesenberg's were the absolute top shelf car of that era. But Auburn, Cord, Packard, LaSalle, Pierce Arrow, Peerless, Lincoln, Cadillac and a couple others of that era were incredible works of art as well. Love the luxury cars of the 20s and 30s
So glad you didn't talk about chopping it. That car is so close to original, would be a pity to see it turn out like that. I will definitely sub just to watch a resto of that :)
A car is only original once. The people who keep them original are hero's for preserving history. I would just clean it up because you know the mechanicals were made to be rebuilt and last forever, I would of love to seen more of the building showing the equipment used in the day.Thanks for posting this.
60+ years.......it's gonna need more that a mechanical dust off. Just the seats alone will have to be restored if any one plans to sit in them. I saw paw prints on the hood, cats. Which means mice. Which love upholstery as nests. There are going to be some funky odors coming from that car once it sees daylight. This car is most likely beyond original already. Built in 1927 and stored about 1955. In 27 years we can figure it had some alterations made.
I think the point of any vehicle is to actually drive it. That means more than just dusting it off... :)
Lucky for you, the wiring schematics are probably 4 wires, lol. :)
you can update anything related to safety and I don't know of anywhere in Illinois that would penalize you in points at a show...
Mechanical resto and clean/preserve the rest. A truly rare find in good condition.
Yes, restore or rebuild the drivetrain. And enjoy it. A lot pf happy memories there. Thanks for sharing.
My step Dad owned a 1932 Packard and we traveled from Detroit to New Jersey in the early 40's. It was a great car and he kept until the brakes went bad after going thru a flood from a hurricane.
I'm usually all for restoring an old car but that looked really good I bet cleaning it up and just restoring the engine and trans would be cool
Wonderful documentation - thank you.
Easy ..... FULL RESTORATION!
These old Packards were beautiful ......
Make her beautiful again ...... 🧡👌
My father's 1st car was a 38 Packard... Only car he ever had that he wished he'd never sold... Wish he was still alive to see you restore this beauty, he would have LOVED it :-) Whatever you and they decide, it will be an exceptional car!!!
This car is way too nice to do anything to except clean it up and get it running. Fix whatever’s broken and go have fun!!
This car is perfect and original. Get it running and protect it from damage. Then maintain it for the next care takers to cherish.
My father loved packard's he grew up around them they are beautiful American cars
Awesome building and car 😱😍 leave it as is😎great survivor🤗Just make it run👍🏼
Keep it original and just a mechanical restoration
That’s the kind of thing I dream about. So freaking cool.
Anyone that restores that car is nuts. Its in amazing shape and if it were me is clean it up as a true survivar
Wow that girl is mint, i am so glad someone took the little bit of time to attempt to preserve it
If it was me I would do a full mechanical restoration and give the rest of the car a a complete deep cleaning. Keep the rest of it as original as possible.
Problem with restorations is, they are usually done to be far better than what was original. (modern super glossy paint vs the original, duller enamels, synthetic upholstery, etc) Just change the fluids, giver her a bath and a wax job, and call it good.
They work really well on fraudulent land deals. But first you have to kill the rightful OWNER!
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That's not true....it's the owner who decides at what level of authenticity to restore the car. If he wants it exactly factory OE, then that's what he gets. I used to see this in XKE's all the time....the owner will try to have the car 'improved' and embellished. Depends how much you're gonna drive it too.....lavish modern paint jobs will last longer than factory jobs....especially if the cars sits more than its driven. I will agree that it's disheartening to see layers of clear coat that the original cars never had.
@@kevinfetner7983 The original paint job on this Packard held up 90 plus years in very poor conditions, so I would leave it alone. The original paint was a nitrocellulose lacquer applied with at least 12 coats and then hand rubbed down to 8 or so coats giving it a deep gloss. Modern day base coat/clear coat paint jobs can't duplicate it.
@@packard5682 Thanks for the info,that's fascinating
Definitely keep the patina and get it back on the road! A true survivor car and thanks for sharing this awesome find!
The state of conservation is incredible! It is a true time capsule !. Beautiful!.
Someone preserved the seats with '50's seat covers, check it out for mice. Clean it a little . Join the Packard club, there are plenty of parts for those cars and get it running. I know that building in Germantown, never thought there would be a treasure inside.
Thanks Richard Schickling
Richard if your middle name starts with H, You have money in the Pa. state treasury office, unclaimed property. From John Hancock 2 accounts each over $100. Good luck collecting JJ from Chb
@@johnjacobs1625 OK will look.
richard schickling - Any building that looks like *that*, has got to possess some treasure. Maybe treasure most would deem junk, but treasure nonetheless.
@@richardschickling6962 Your welcome.
I had to laugh when u actually looked up to see if the light was going to come on lol
Imagine if it did.
@@MyDegeneration1965 :-o
This car is absolutely phenomenal!! My dad had an old Packard, not this old of course but, old just the same. I was born in 62, when I was about 6 or 7, I used to LOVE sitting in it and pretend to drive. He restored a lot of antique cars and trucks and rebuilt his own stock cars, I LOVED getting out there and helping him. I know more about cars than any girl in our small town. It was awesome. I miss those days.
Philly native. I can tell you there are a lot of warehouses that were used for storage where you can find a lot of old beautiful cars. Some of these places are located in run down areas or places that have just been left alone. However with a lot of money pouring into philly many neighborhoods are being revitalize or gentrified depending on who you talk to and there are old cars being found. Came across a few old liconcolns Cadillacs and a vet myself. Friend of mine who cleans these places out came across a bunch of old vintage motorcycles.
This car is a work of art. It is beautiful. I would redo the seats and the engine and check out the drive train and breaks. Electrical too. The paint and interior are beautiful.
You can check out the breaks while I check out the brakes.
@@TheJer1963 just be careful you don't break the brakes!
Don't break your back checking the brakes! Broke back Burritt!
Funny! Have a glorious day.
The seats are the best part.
Do not I repeat do not restore this car just get it running only original once
ltseven I’m with you, some Marvel mystery oil and get the engine rolling change fluids
Keep it as original as possible
Jay Leno found a Duesenberg and that's exactly what he did. Left the upholstery and everything as he found it. Just got it running and that was it.
I mean, you clean it up and everything, get all the grime and dust and mouse turds out lol but no real restoration.
@@muskokamike127 NO HE DIDN'T. Jay Leno's Duesey was restored!! I should know--I've ridden in it!!!
@@autobug2 which one? he's got a whole bunch. I will see if I can find the video on youtube of the one he didn't restore......the one I'm talking about is the one he found in a garage behind a woman's house.
This isn't the one I'm talking about but he refers to it at about 1:05 and shows a quick picture of it...unrestored.
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You can repeat all you want. It isn't your cat to make that call...
This incredible find needs only, as many have said, a mechanical resto, a gentle wash and wax, bring back the original beauty of the interior and let folks see what a REAL Marque looks like. Great video and will follow this gorgeous Packard to see what happens.
One lucky Packard these things are just rare and to see one in such a fantastic condition is a 1 in a million.
The story of the factory and the family is great too.
Love the tombstone grill shell on the Packard!
Preservation is a must for this classic.. Buff and shine and get the motor to whine!
@Rusty Shackelford His gf convinced him that whining is a good thing
Built too drive, patina cleaned but left as found ! All mechanicals made right once again. Beautiful ride, very classy ! LarryMac
I just brought home my great grandfathers 1926 Oakland last fall. (He bought it brand new) This was a great show that reminded me of that experience. Awesome.
Matt, what a great video!! I think the car is fantastic, what a history. Regarding what the family should do, their call, as long as the car is valued for the past. It is hard to imagine the number of people that car has touched from iron ore, to manufacture completion at Packard, to the dealer, various mechanics to keep running to the street, on and on. Thank you for the time you put into your videos. Jack
This is a great example of a survivor,get it driving and thats it. No need to restore this one.
Most definitely repair what is needed for it to be road worthy and a true 1927 survivor very nice.
Absolutely! Mechanical resto and drive.. Worth more that way too..!
It's only original once. Mechanical restoration only !
Great car! Love it! NO, don’t restore it ‼️ Keep that paint... I wonder if it’s the original paint, what do you think? Please, let’s hear it running... I’m sure you’ll get the ‘ol girl unstuck 🏁🍺 cheers
Almost certainly original paint. I don't suppose you can get ethyl-lead fuel in the states any more, would that sidevalve block be suitable for steel exh. valve seat inserts? Hope so. If not it's a fairly low RPM engine, might be ok without...?
@@thephilpott2194 You can get lead fuel additive that you pour in the tank whenever you fill up. It's somewhat common for classic cars
@@thephilpott2194 unleaded fuel should be ok for it as lead wasn't added to petrol until the 30's, it is Methanol in modern fuel that causes the problems, it will rot any rubber and dissolve the Tin plating on the inside of the fuel tank. Additives can be bought to neutralise its effect. Alternatively re-line the tank and change any flexible fuel lines and pump diaphragms for modern ones. A good idea if only for fire safety.
If the cylinder head needs no attention.There will likely be enough lead from the years of using leaded fuel left on the parts like the valves and seats to last years..
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So much cool stuff inside all those buildings, very cool.
Fully restored. This car is in such good shape; it deserves some respect.
Looks like we have a pretty good consensus, a good cleaning with a mechanical resto and it's all good. Did something similar years ago with my uncle and an old Durant. Hope you can do a follow up down the road. Thanks guys!
Hold that car as it is. Yes, just repair the engine and clean the rust where it needs.
That car is in AMAZING condition for being all original at 92 years old.
I grew up only miles from there, good find! Restore everything that has a function, and leave the rest alone.
It would be a sin not to restore it , it would be a shame not to restore it.This is a beautiful car please restore it thank you.
Fuck your faux Christianity. Using religion to hide behind while you commit heinous crimes is so...1990s.
Mechanical freshen up and leave the rest. It's a true survivor of a car even if it has 110,000 miles on it. Cheers! Zip~
That's what a perfect example of the good old days are so I agree enjoy what time has given you it only happens once
The almost bald condition of that spare tire suggests more than the odometer’s 10,000 miles.
Glad that they did a good job keeping the building closed off so it wouldn’t get vandalized
I say they show it some love and get it running with refreshed mechanicals and a careful detail inside and out. Thanks
Get it running and a good cleaning. Throw in the detail and make its way back to life. I personally would really enjoy seeing the car making people smile coming down the street after all thoes years have passed.
So much cool stuff.
Absolutely leave it as original as possible. Preservation cars are rare, and getting rarer every year. You have a treasure.
Patina ftw! Really awesome to see such an old car still in decent shape. What blew my mind was the dome light and the added heater
As the body and paintwork are so original and solid, just do what's called an 'oily cloth' restoration on it. It would be a travesty to do a full 'LA' style job on a car like this.
LOL sounds absurd
God sakes don't chop it like the other hotrods depicted in the video.
It would be criminal to do more than this, agreed
Nahhh call the dude from "Pimp my Ride" and prepare to get a pimp ride
I'd say 110,000 miles on the Packard, they would do really big mileages ,as did the Caddys of the same era. it was good thing you were there to get a sympathetic tow job. Becareful with that old style lacquer,it can be rubbed right off very easily. Clean it,grease it and may be a valve job and it will be right to go .
The spare tire showed more than 10k miles of wear.
@@marcbee1234 My dad and me had a lot to do with cars from this era and often we couldn't buy new tires,just NOS stuff which were often 20-30 years old . Once on the road,that old style tire rubber wore pretty quickly,unlike today's. . If you got 20,000 miles out of set of those you were doing pretty good.
The tall narrow brick alley was absolutely unintentionally gangster.
I grew up not too far from that building. Super interesting story. Keep the car intact, clean it up.
It is a rare survivor, do I not what it takes to get it driving safely. It would be horrible to do a full restoration!!!
It's only original once leave the patina
I found your channel a few months ago by accident and have not watched tv ever since,,Love it.
Thanks so much for watching Carl!!
Get it running... Mechanically reliable and leave it as is. Love it!