Hi. Thanks for the detailed video. I'm curious if you were able to communicate with the manufacturer about the "defects" such as the screws coming loose etc. and if so, were they receptive to your feedback and willing to research making improvements?
Hi @Philip Kauppinen! I did not communicate with them directly. I do know that factory representatives watch people’s videos and they monitor forum groups for the purposes of collecting feedback. I’m going to be up at the factory soon. I plan to check in regarding quality improvements. They haven’t resumed factory tours yet, but I’ll see what I can do. Stay tuned… Thanks for watching & commenting!
On of the, by far, most detailed and realistic reviews of a product I've ever seen. We were on the fence, but you sold us. We bought a '23 this morning in Tulsa. Excellent job, sir. Excellent.
I'm in the process of looking to get a travel trailer and your video popped up in my search. I've watched probably about a dozen or so videos on different ones and I just wanted to say that your video has been the best out of them all! I didn't expect to have such detail thrown at me!! Thank you for this!
Congratulations @Chris Heilberger! Glad to video was helpful & hope all goes well with your Geo delivery! Happy adventuring & thanks for watching & commenting!
I have to say, when I started this video, I was DREADING the 1 hour PLUS view time and couldn't imagine why it was so long, but man, this was a very good and thorough video where you made your points well! Really appreciate all the little tips to look out for. We are shopping for our first rig and Rockwood has now become a leading contender. Stay safe out there!
Hello @Meditative Essence! Thanks for your kind comment! It means a lot 🙂 One thing to consider in the current production climate - I just spoke with the Rockwood factory yesterday. The have been able to keep parts in stock and run a full 5 day per week production schedule. Some manufacturers are running 2-3 days per week due to parts shortages. This is something to look into if you special order a rig vs. buying one from dealer stock.
A tip from an old master mechanic (me) about screws coming out. If you have a screw that just won't cooperate about staying tight, perhaps a pop-rivet (sometimes with added small washers on both sides of the hole, if you can get to those areas) may be a more permanent fix like where your stove screws were. But keep in mind if you ever have to disassemble an item that's been riveted, you'll have to drill out the rivets so consider that before riveting. Good idea on tire upgrade, 'margin' on everything is a good idea, tow capacity, tires, battery amperage, all of it.
I just noticed on a recent Forest River Geo Pro manufacturing tour, they are now double nutting the flooring screws. I think we have you to thank for this… My new 19FBS arrived in October. Beyond excited!
I chatted with the Factory. Heres some info you might want? "The lug nuts on the wheels need to be torqued between 95 and 110." We are double nutting the front bolt on each side of the trailer. All bolts get a lock nut and the front get a lock nut and a nylon lock nut. The issue started with the front ones coming loose and when those did, the rest followed - that is why we double nut the front.
All the More Reason that I just ORDERED a 2021 Geo Pro! Because they CARE ABOUT QUALITY! I was told by more than one Dealer that Forrest River asks them "what are the Customers saying about their Trailers? They also wanted to know what the Customers were wanting to see added to the Trailers. Forrest River is certainly concerned about the Quality of their Products.
@@nathanc3396 Unfortunately that has not been my experience with Forest River. Check out my comment on my 2018 Rpod 179 and from a lot of Rpod owners in the forums especially in the past few years and hopefully they don't share similar build techniques and materials to Geo Pros or they have made improvements to fix the problems like Rpod owners have experienced? That being said I've done enough mods, improvements, and do regular inspections/maintenance to make it manageable. One thing for sure is put the rig through a good break-in and fix any issues while it's still under the 1 year warranty because after that they can be very expensive to fix.
I made a trip to my local RV dealer yesterday to see what they had avalible. I was blown away by all the flaws I could see right in plan sight on brand new trailers. Most still had saw dust everywhere.
Yes, it’s an unfortunate reality. There’s still much opportunity for quality improvement. My attitude is this: 1. Be aware & buy the best rig you can. 2. Celebrate the advancements in quality. These advancements are not across the board, but are there with some brands. These advancements (like Azdel, aluminum framing and vacuum bonding) are complete game changers. 3. Keep the pressure on for continuous improvement.
I was on my way to purchase a rockwood geo pro 16bhs and after watching this video I cancelled my order and will continue to search for something else. I do not need these problems in my life. Thank you!
Hmmm....I thought his review was mostly positive? We just purchased a '24 20fbs GeoPro and are super excited. My husband, who is very handy, was impressed with the material used in the build, which is why this is a light camper.
@Asking-for-a-friend we just got it (50th wedding anniversary present). Leaving Monday for our first camp trip about 2 hours from home. We've had some camper experience (used campers), so looking forward to experiencing new. It pulled great the 40 minutes to home after purchase. We are pulling it with a Titan 4x4.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! We are first timers, and this video helped us get through the walk through, spot the minor issues to have them fixed by the dealer before we roll out, and feel confident it was a good rig! 🎉❤ will be following now 😁✌️
Thanks for an excellent review of your Geo Pro. It's always a peace of mind knowing that someone with the experience and knowledge that you have, am definitely sold on a Geo Pro.
Something you can do with screw holes, that usually works if they are stripped, is use some epoxy mixed with metal filings, use a release agent like wax on the screw. Just make sure the material you are repairing is thick enough. The metal filings reinforce the epoxy to the point where you can actually drill and tap it. May want to check if there is any issue with needing a certain type of epoxy that is particularly suited to Azdel or not, any wood items or alum items will be OK with a 5min epoxy. In wood and alum, you cand also use a rivnut, which needs a biigger hole, but, it expands into the material when tightened like a rivet, and then you can use whatever size and thred pitch screw as necc. They use them on fibreglas to install light brackets, mirror brackets etc.
I bought a new 25 foot 2020 Airstream in the Spring of 2020. The first thing I did was remove all the screws inside and out I could and put Locktite on all of them. So far after over 10K miles nothing has come loose. I suggest everybody do this task. Be aware that if they did all you expect then the trailer would cost much more because this would slow down production. It is a sad reality in the RV business model.
I just discovered your you tube channel. Outstanding work. I thought that one hour was going to be boring. It was not. You taught me all kinds of stuff. Thank you for the great job.
I'll bet this guy could spend two hours critiquing a BLT, but wow what great information. I'm considering purchasing my first trailer and now I know everywhere to look. Small lazy details make me nuts, and I had no idea there could be so many issues. Thanks for taking the time.
We are in the DFW area as well. Just bought a 2021 GeoPro 20BHS, this video was very informative and we did notice a couple differences they made in the past year of production. Maybe we will see you both on the road sometime. The only thing you didn't quite address that we have questions on....is our A/C. The controls on it seem quite basic and if they just added a digital thermostat or had the option for a remote for the A/C, that would be a game changer as well.
Hi @kimelewis! I felt the same as you about the A/C controls. I also think a digital control would be an upgrade from than the simple dial controls. After living in our Geo Pro for the last 1.5 years, it's not the controls that I’d really like improved, it's the noise. Specifically, when the compressor kicks in with a loud “thump” it wakes me up at night. If I ever replace or upgrade the a/c, I'm going to look at installing a Coleman Mach 10 NDQ (non ducted quiet) I know overall this unit is quieter and I'm also curious if the compressor is quieter when kicking in. Thanks for watching & commenting!
This video is great thank you so much for sharing this information, today I purchased the Geo pro after much research, but none as informative as yours , I pick mine up next week , we are super stoked , first thing I’m going to do is the same thing you did with the chassis bolts , I will eventually install lithium batteries and look forward to more of your videos . Thanks again
We just traded in our 2019 Jayco X17Z Hybrid for a Dutchman Aspen Trail, and the overview of our Jayco Hybrid was excellent!! It was small, and with having the canvas/vinyl pop out beds regarding condensation, it was a really great trailer for us! I hope your sister-in-law finds a nice one like we had!
Great, info-packed video. I plan on purchasing the 19BH without the slide next year. It will just be me living in it, so I don't need the extra dining space. Plus, not having a slide is one less thing to break. (I know you said that you haven't had any) problems) I decided on this brand and model because of all the great features I wanted anyway like the solar, the wifi booster, the shower miser, the dual propane tanks, etc. Really glad I watched the whole video and I feel much more confident in my decision. Thank You!
MrBklein31 👋 hello sir! I agree with you on the slide. If you don’t need the space there are advantages to not having a slide; like those you mentioned, plus less gaps for bug intrusion, overall lighter weight, etc... Thanks for watching & commenting!! I wish you all the best on your purchase & future travels!
@@CR10.07 I’m a fan of not having a slide if you have enough room without it. The benefits are lighter weight, less maintenance, more reliability, easier to heat/cool the rig, and less gaps for bugs to get in.
Per an email I received, these are some of the 2021 changes (not to mention the FD model is now 200+ pounds heavier??) European hinges on cabinets, single handle/tall kitchen faucet, press countertops vs. laminate, larger sink, keyed alike locks, 190w solar, one control system “app”, a/c standard, new cabinetry/fabric/wallboard is lighter color, 12v fridge and supposedly, “off road” is standard.
I know my comment is very late to this thread, but I found your video extremely helpful! We bought a used 2018 Geo Pro G17RK back in July and take it out every weekend. The first thing that we noticed was loose screws. I now keep a tube of blue thread locker in the camper.
Hey Ben, My local Geo dealer got two units in last Friday and before I could get over there Saturday they both we’re gone. 2021 19FBS and a 19BH. I go to go into the BH before it was driven off the lot. The sink is now recessed under the countertop and is much larger. Now yo can get two solar panels and they are 140’s now. So they are listening to the RUclipsr’s. Thanks Ben. Hope to see you guys on the road some day! Wil
Thanks for the in-depth video. I have been considering a Geo Pro and you have given me more information than I could imagine. Never get this anywhere else.
I had researched campers for along time and was on the fence. But after watching your 6k mile review I realized the sturdiness of the product and placed my order for 19FD
@@CrowdFreeRV will do! We are in Lafayette, La. when you are on an east bound trip let me know and I cook yall a Cajun Meal! Have yall ever stayed at CAJUN PALMS in Henderson, La just off I-10 near the Achafalaya Basin?
@@nathanc3396 dude Cajun Palms looks AWESOME! We’ll try to take you up on your offer! Will keep you posted when we look to head east. Random fact - I’m normally a religious bacon & eggs breakfast guy. But... best breakfast I’ve EVER had was this bacon, shrimp, grits gumbo dish. It was from a place in New Orleans. Thanks again for the invite. I’ll stay in touch. Y’all do the same!
I’ve had everything that you mention except the body bolts. I checked them and they were good. My stove / oven fell out !!! Because I didn’t know where the screws were coming from when I would find them on the floor. I really don’t cook on mine I use it for work in place of hotels. They also had to replace my toilet because it would leak intermittently!! Plus replacement of my awning motor!!
Yikes! The oven falling out is a new one! Hope you got everything sorted out before the warranty ran out! You’re part of a growing trend of people using an RV for work assignments in lieu of hotels. It’s growing in popularity for military people as well. Thanks for watching & commenting @Joe Deriscavage!
Purchased this trailer beginning of this year. Have taken it on multiple week long trips and thousands of miles. The four of us are beyond comfortable in it. So far I only have two complaints with the trailer. First was and easy fix. One battery just isn't enough. Went with 2 6Vs and it's more than enough now. The second was on the slide out side. The wheel well is open and doesn't connect to the side of the trailer. Driving in mud/snow or even just road grim can get thrown up onto the side of the trailer. Also inside if the same wheel well moisture can easily get into the slideout wall if not sealed properly. Spent about 20 minutes and a tube of exterior silicone on it. Probably going to be one of those yearly maintenance things I keep an eye on. As far as screws coming out and curtains falling down I have not seen that yet. It will happen, things break (especially if you have kids 🤣) just fix it move on and enjoy the adventures.
Thank you for the review. I am about to buy one of these trailers. Can you send pics of where I need to silicone to keep moisture out? I will be driving in the snow often. Any other tips now that you have owned for a while?
Thanks Ben for giving a detailed review on your Rig. I Just purchased our Rockwood Mini Lite back in February and have been out a few times already, As a Newbie I have been looking at a lot of you tube videos to get Ideas. We have been staying locally around New England and in a couple of weeks are heading out to our longest trip yet to Missouri. I will be getting underneath my rig and checking all the nuts and bolts. You are correct by saying that the manufacturers should produce a better product or better quality control on there product that is installed in the rigs. Thanks again and stay safe,
Thanks for the very detailed video, I’ve watched many RUclips videos on different makes and models of campers and I always come back to the Geo Pro. I do realize very rv is going to have its issues, but I still think for the price point the Geo Pro is the route I’m going with. I really like the 19fb with the Murphy bed. It just checks all the boxes for what I’m looking for. I’m just really amazed with the negative comments about the geo pro by these so to speak experts. I just laughed at the ignorance, and most complaints are usually from operator error. Like one I read about the Dexter axle being junk because if you speed around a corner and hit a curb you can’t get it realigned. Well slow down and don’t run up over a curb lol. Anyway great video thanks again.
Thank you for sharing a very throughout, honest review of the trailer. I found tons of useful information from this video. BTW: Love the 2020 dollar bill you taped up :)
What a great video! My husband and I purchased a Forest River product and it honestly was just poorly made. I believe that Forest River makes their products cheaply because of more probability in the end. Also, their customer service is so BAD! In the end the dealer and the manufacture do not care which is sad no matter how much money you spent. In the end we sold the Forest River product and purchased a Grand Design. I can't tell you enough what a huge difference a Grand Design truly is. I am not saying that we will never have any issues with the Grand Design, but I can say that the quality is night and day from the Forest River. Also, Grand Design is top notch when offering help and parts! Granted you will pay more, but in the end with great customer service, a overall better product it's worth the money. I am sure many people will disagree, but you pay for what you get.
What model? Forest River is a group of companies. What was the price difference from the FR to the Grand Design? “Usually” price goes hand in hand with level of quality.
Hi @Vickie Payne! We have heard similar comments from many owners regarding their Grand Design experience! I celebrate the higher levels of quality that GD is bringing to the marketplace! I believe that a rising quality tide will raise many ships. Forest River is a huge conglomerate encompassing many brands. Rockwood is but one of those brands. Their brands are not all created equal. Rockwood, like Grand Design is trying to do business better. The problem with the Grand Design comparison in this conversation is GD is better known for producing larger TT’s and 5th wheels. They do make some smaller units but I don’t consider them “ultralight” like the Geo Pro. Their smallest TT is an Imagine XLS 15FLE which has a UVW of 4,036 lbs. That’s about a half ton heavier than a Geo Pro of the same size. And Geo Pro has figured out how to make an ultralight that is still rugged enough to not start falling apart over the long haul. So... If a person is looking for a small ultralight TT, can you see why I would never steer them toward Grand Design? Now for larger travel trailers or 5th wheels, that is a completely different story. Hope this makes sense. Thanks for watching & commenting!!
Hello @Dave Goedicke! I didn’t consider the stover (or nylock) for my trailer because the bolt head is covered up and I didn’t want to worry about them spinning. I hope the factory is considering either a nylock or stover nut. Either would work great and would solve this issue for good! Thanks for watching & the stover tip!
We our in our second InTech. Started with a Sol Dawn after downsizing and bought a Terra when they came out as it is the perfect fit. We looked at the Geo Pro but found the build not to par coming from Airstream. The selling point of InTech was Azdel one piece roof. All aluminum frame with the wood cabinets bolted to the Aluminum frame. Also Dexter TorFlex axels. We have over 29,000 miles on our Terra I’ve r the last 22 months. I would never own a Travel Trailer without the full aluminum frame and one piece azdel fiberglass Great video
Based on your comments on the frame outrigger bolts, I checked my 2020 19FBS and all seem to be tight. I hesitate to loosen the factory installed nuts since I have no access to the hex head of the bolt (which should have been installed with a fender washer). However, I have been giving some thought to adding an additional stainless steel flat washer, lock washer and hex nut with red Loc-tite to add security to the bottom of the bolt. The flat washer and lock washer for position security, and the hex nut and red Loc-tite to keep the upper elements from releasing. Opinion? By the by, someone suggested replacing the rusting steel strap with one screw that holds the black and gray tank output with a muffler mount, like you would find on a car. Interesting.
Hi @Glen Muir! I agree, a fender washer on the interior head side of the bolt would indeed allow some more tension to be applied to the fastener. I wish they would do this as well. Your plan of addressing the loosening nuts will work fine. But I feel like the stainless & lock washer would not be necessary. If it was me I would - 1. Make sure the factory nuts are snug. If a bolt begins to spin, use a wrench to snug the nut while gently holding the bolt shank with a tool like pliers or vice grips. Wrap tape around the tool teeth and be gentle so the bolt threads are not damaged. 2. Using a small wire brush, clean the bolt threads to remove any dirt. 3. Apply the jam nut with red loctite. It just needs to be snug. . I like the muffler pipe hanger idea! My hanger just snapped at the point where it meets the grey pipe. Metal fatigue from flex I’m guessing. I’ve already purchased a replacement aluminum strap from Lowe’s but if it snaps I’ll try the exhaust hangar next. Great tip! Thanks for watching & commenting Glen! Much appreciated!
👋 Hey @Jerry Gundrum! You are exactly right! Loctite was indeed formulated for metal-to-metal. In experimenting with wood-to-metal, I’ve discovered mixed results: For attaching things to the thin wood interior wallboard I’ve had fantastic results. My most surprising application was attaching wire baskets for towels in the bathroom of a toyhauler I formerly owned. I mounted these baskets, which were without attach points, by putting on eyelet zip ties to the baskets. I then screwed the zip tie eyelets to the wall. I drilled a small pilot hole, and used a shallow screw with loctite. The baskets fasteners all stayed tight and none of the fasteners failed. The baskets carried a surprising amount of weight of towels & washcloths. I’ve also tried using loctite on loosening interior screws where the wood was just too loose of grip for the loctite to work. In that instance loctite was useless and only a proper hole repair will work. I’ll usually epoxy in some wood toothpicks or a bit of wood dowel. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching & commenting!
Enjoyed your video. We have a 2020 19FD we got in the spring. We've had the same issues with the screws & stove top burner popping out. We will be doing the screw eyelet solution for our cupboards. Best solution we've seen, inexpensive and quick. Thank you. We replaced our kitchen tap with the Vanra faucet & moved the kitchen faucet to the bathroom. Will be checking the bolts underneath in the spring. Nice balanced review. Love the layout & the Murphy bed of our trailer. Looking forward to more of your videos.
Thanks for watching & for your kind comment @Barbara Graves! Much appreciated! Where do y’all like to take your 19FD? Are you looking for new places to explore?
I almost pulled the trigger on a geo pro..but two items kept me away. 1 Single axle limits weight and double axle is safer in case of a tire failure.2. Geo pro uses wafer board for flooring.. I selected the Winnebago Micro mini to get a double axle and plywood floor. Winnebago does have its problems which are cheap Cabinet doors and poor structure of wood for the bed. I had to add wood supporting the bed.
Hi @Lawrence Creamer! I totally agree with you on the axle issue! You've got a lot better cargo carrying capacity on the double axle as well. Sounds like overall you've had a good experience with the Micro Mini, which makes me happy. Winnebago is a good brand. Thanks for watching & commenting!
Does it seem to bounce more on rougher roads than a double axle trailer? Does it seem like the cabinet materials are going to hold up long term? Have you had any problem overloading the inverter and have to reset it? Would it be hard to replace the 1000watt inverter with a 2000 watt. This year they have moved up to a 190 solar panel :) I like that!!! I would add a 2nd 190 panel, 2000 watt inverter and two Li's. They have also started using a much larger deeper sink.....thank goodness!!! Also a 10ft cu ft 12V fridge is available.....I feel good about that!!!!
👋 Hey Richard! It's hard to say if it bounces more than a comparable size/weight trailer with double axles. I would need to test both to answer that. But... just from my own experience, a small ultralight travel trailer will have more bounce than larger heavier units. My previous two trailers were 27' and 29' toy haulers and substantially heavier. They seemed to bounce less but would "porpoise" more depending on how much cargo I was hauling in the garage. I've only overloaded my inverter once. I tried running our small portable vacuum cleaner with it. It was too much wattage. As to the ease of installing a 2000 watt inverter, the thing to investigate is the power feeders running from the batteries to the inverter. If they are large enough to handle the extra power demand from the larger inverter, it would be a simple bolt-in replacement. If they are too small you would need to run larger wires. It would be good to do that project in conjunction with upgrading to Li batteries. Man, I sure would love that larger sink! As to the larger 12v fridge, it sounds like a potentially good upgrade. But some people are reporting that the compressor is noisy. And I'm curious how much power it draws for when you are boondocking and running off batteries. I'm not against the 12v fridge, just cautiously curious. Thanks for watching & commenting Richard!
@@CrowdFreeRV I like how you think. I'm in full agreement on the Li Battleborns. My dream system would be: 4 - Battle Born 100 Ah 12 V LiFePO4 Deep Cycle batteries 1 - Victron BMV-712 Battery Monitor with Bluetooth built-in 1 - Victron Multiplus Inverter/Charger 3000 W 1 - Precision Circuits Battery Guardian 1 - Zamp Solar 30-AMP LiFePO4 Solar Charge Controller It would be a boondocking dream :) With the wiring already in place from the factory "hopefully" it would be possible to pull the appropriate size wires to where they would need to go. The inverter in the pass through mounted on a wall would work well, the batteries under the bed with a small electric fan in the side of the bed's stand to provide heat and ventilation would be good. Being able to run the AC from the battery bank would be awesome. A&M says to figure a hour of AC for every 100 AH battery. I'm very pleased with the move towards the 12V compressor fridge but wish they would have used the Furrion Arctic fridge instead. I am also considering the Rockwood Mini lite but weight (CCC) is a major consideration. My t v is a Toyota Tundra rated at 7100 lbs tow and a paltry 1325 lb CCC I love the looks of both the Geo and the Mini Lite but the thought of a blow out at 60mph with a single axle is something that has to be taken into consideration. It will get a lot of hwy miles as it will be a full timer for a couple of years. Our retirement gift to ourselves. Thanks for your vids....they are appreciated! Rick
Since the Geo Pro & E-Pro have the Dexter Torflex Axles have you considered creating a video about proper placing of a jack for flat tire change to keep from possibly damaging axle?
Hi @Nathan C. that’s a great video idea! Very timely actually as we are dealing with an issue concerning our Dexter Torflex Axle as we speak. Stay tuned!! Thanks for watching and commenting.
Hi Ben, absolutely loved your video. We have the exact same GeoPro 20BHS. I am curious about how you (or your fabricator) attached the 2” receiver to the rear of the camper for the bike rack. We would like to do so the same. We have been from Vermont to Florida and many stars on between with our GeoPro and love it.
Thank you on the bolts to the frame issue..I added a nut and lock tite to my frame bolts on my Winnebago micro mini thinking it could be the same as a geo pro
@Truth in th Word - kids can sit comfortably. I'm 6’1” and I fit. I don't know if I would call it comfortable though. My legs have to be about halfway folded up to fit. Hope this helps! ~ Ben
Hey guys just wanted to give some info I’ve been in the glass trade for 30 years the windshields in these are a laminated product same as the windshield in your car and in residential - commercial use it we will not use or sell tinted laminated glass as it heat cracks even clear laminated that’s been tinted will crack adding a closed blind or reflective only make it worse your other windows are tempered glass they will be fine dot will not Allow tempered glass in windshields
My Advice is to leave the shade up the reflective off When vehicle is in storage or even traveling , only cover windshields on these units when it’s not in direct sunlight and when not in high temps use your coverings on this windshield only to keep warm now if the windshiel was clear it would be fine
GeoPro is what we want to get, Super big Thank You with all detailed info. My list to my dealer once we find one will be subject to certain work to correct the deficiencies noted . WOW, You take care and thanks 🙏 again .
Great review. Can you please tell me if the length of the bed is adequate? I think the brochure showed it at 74 inches and I am 6 feet tall so I would imagine either my head or my feet would be touching something during the night. How is it working for you? Thanks.
Hello @Jim Bo! I’m 6’1” and no I considered the mattress to be a bit too short, and it was too firm for both my wife and I. So… we had a local mattress shop custom make us a mattress that was both softer and taller. The top of the mattress is now level with the headboard. I then put my pillow on top of the headboard. The gives me the extra space I needed to be comfortable. Most major cities have custom mattress manufacturers. We’ve done this twice now for two different RV’s. Hope this helps!
can you tell me more about your frame mounted receiver hitch mount? I have the E-Pro and am in some serious need of doing something on the rear to transport my generator. As it stands, its too big to go inside the under storage compartment and so I hve to pick this beast up and put it inside the camper when in transit. It's tedious to say the least. I was considering a pumper or hitch. Thoughts?
Yes, @Gare Spyder Stevens, I feel your strain... I use a 3400 watt generator which weighs 114 wet. It’s a chore to lift in & out of the truck to be sure. The first thing to consider is custom modifications to the trailer frame voids the factory warranty. The next thing is the frame is ultralight by design. It’s not an easy frame to mount anything to which is why there are no prefabbed solutions out there. You would need to find a weld/fab shop who is experienced in this type of custom work who could look at the project & advise you from there. The last thing to consider is often increasing tail weight reduces the stability of the trailer. I hope this helps! I’m going to release a video in May talking all about my trailer hitch install. Stay tuned...
@@CrowdFreeRV so I definitely feel you on the warranty which ran out last month and was the reason I did nothing before. As for stability, I’m not sure if this matters but I do have the equalizer weight distribution on my Jeep. Anything you could recommend would be amazing. I just don’t have the room and I’m full time RV living in a travel healthcare career right now. The loading and unloading is beyond old. Lol. Thanks!
@@ncdjcompany if you’re interested in pursuing this, call around to the welding/fabrication shops in your area and see if any are experienced in this kind of work. Trailer repair shops and custom hitch install shops are also good ones to reach out to. When I had mine done, I was in Fort Worth at the time. I found a weld shop who did custom hitches on trailers all the time. Have you ever seen a 5th wheel trailer pulling another trailer behind it? They put those kind of hitches on. . The first hitch they put on was too light duty and it failed. I’m going to be back in Fort Worth in May and they are going to rebuild it. I’ll release the vid after it’s done and document the whole thing, including the failed hitch. Best wishes on your solution!
👋 hi @valeriemayville! I use picture command strips wherever possible. On items that need a bit more secure attachment, like the paper towel holder, I screw to the wall. My secret for the screws staying in is: - drill pilot holes - use loctite red on the screw threads - tighten the screws very gently Hope this helps!
@@CrowdFreeRV thanks for the quick response also on another video I found out you can trip the power inverter my plugs were not working with the batteries just the USB going to have to check that its behind the closet panel I guess
Hi, quick question on your bike rack. Can you post a link to the item you installed, as we also would like to have something similar. I assume the rear weight is not an issue for your setup?
👋 Hi @Nicholas Gunder! My answers will start backwards: 1. Yes, weight on the tail of the trailer was a big concern. At 60mph my Geo was very sway-stable. Above 65 I experienced quite a lot of sway. So much so, I ran with as little weight in the rear as possible, and a full fresh water tank in the front so my hitch weight ratio increased from 10% to 15%. This helped most of the time. Occasionally the sway was still there. It was usually just exhausting but at times, like in construction zones, it was a bit dangerous. I installed a Hensley Hitch which 100% fixed the sway and made tail weight a non issue. The Geo now tows like a dream and tail weight is a non issue. 2. The bike rack mounts on a custom fabricated receiver hitch by a weld/fab shop. The first install was a complete failure. The welds fatigued and then broke. So... I’m going to have the hitch redone in the spring. After I do, I’ll do a video talking about the whole process. 3. The bike rack is a Kuat Sherpa purchased from REI. We LOVE this bike rack! www.rei.com/product/109437/kuat-sherpa-20-2-bike-hitch-rack Thanks for watching & commenting!
Do you remember any info on the hitch? A couple local shops wasn't to fabricate one for over $1000. No that isn't happening lol. Surely there is a good premade hitch option
The swagman and curt adjustable width trailer hitches are what was suggested to me and verified by other geo pro owners. They bolt on or can be welded to several types of frames. I was hoping to get extra validation before ordering one
It would be nice if they had a cover u could place over the front window when u are underway. Replacing that window will be expensive. I know others that said theirs cracked too and was 800 dollars to replace.
I agree @Mike Brandenburg. The window isn’t worth it if it gets broken frequently. I’ll let y’all know how much mine costs to be replaced. And when it’s replace I’m going to look at having a clear protective film applied - like the clear bra material that’s out there. Thanks for watching & commenting!
@@CrowdFreeRV what I saw some other RUclips channel do that has a Rockwood ultra lite is put a truck wide skirt by the bumper to keep stones from being kicked up by wheels.
Thanks I had 3 each missing nuts and 2 each loose nuts. I took your suggestion and backed the nut with another nylon nut. Man thanks for the information, I could have had serious issue if not checked and repaired.
Very informative video. What are the type and size of nuts you used to avoid the frame problem? Just bought a used geo pro 19fd and would like to prevent any issues?
Thanks for the tip @rick klein! For my initial fix I put some epoxy at the "snap together" points of that bottom trim piece. So far so good. After a few thousand more miles it has not come apart again. Thanks for watching & commenting!
This was fantastic and I thank you for all the heads-up helpful hints. I'm looking at purchasing a used one (same year model). I'll certainly be looking at the important areas now to make sure everything is ok. I lost my husband to cancer last year so I will be doing this solo. Looks like with all your info, it will be very doable 😀 Thank you again. I'll be keeping up with your videos in a big way 🌞
Great video. Every trip is an earthquake - hahah! Love that you just identify the issues and show the obvious simple fixes to address manufacturing shortcuts! Due to riding old vibrating British motorcycles, I buy Loctite in bulk ;-) Glad to hear that the bones are solid as this model is on our short list. Thx!
Your comment made my day @Robert Mckeown! Man it’s hard to beat an old bike full of unique character! You go for a ride and it’s like two old cranky best friends on a joyful journey. My background among other things is aviation. Like your bikes, everything is always trying to loosen from vibration & sonic influences. Locktite, lockwire, & self locking nuts!! Glad the vid was helpful & thanks again for the comment!
I’m appreciative in the fact that our homes (generally) are not put together by the “Lighthouse for the Blind”. I assume during the purchase of a new RV, you should take a weekend to apply sealant and Loc-Tite?
That’s a correct assumption @Bryan Woody. Just speaking for my particular Geo Pro, the roof sealant was fantastic, but everywhere else was sealed quick & sloppy. So yeah, I did a lot of sealing when I brought it home. . We’re keeping our Geo Pro for adventuring but it’s small for us full time living in. So... we have picked out a 2021 Keystone Outback Ultralight 244UBH as a possible new full time home. We recently looked at one at a dealer. The roof sealant was bad. Every inch of roof sealant was cracking & gaping. I’m assuming they applied a batch of bad seal. The entire roof needed a reseal and this was a brand new unit by a reputable manufacturer. The entire supply chain was disrupted during Covid. The unit we looked at was built during Covid. I’m wondering if their usual sealant was unavailable so they used what they could get. Just speculation on my part. But... bottom line you need to depend on yourself or someone you trust to make sure things are right. Thanks for watching & commenting!
Ben I just watched your post on the tour of the Forest River plant and Geo Pro build... thank you ... very helpful in providing info to assist in decision making Thank you for your previous post regarding the heat strip and power outlets. As you may know, GeoPro units are scarce ...so I have not found a dealer within 200 mile of my home that has one for me to look at before purchase. I was wondering if you could describe the wall covering? What are you using to hang you art and decorations on the walls? Issues ?
The interior wallboard is from what I can tell the industry standard stuff that’s been used for a long time. It’s wooden wallboard of about 1/8” thickness. On the outer walls there are aluminum studs and on most of the inner walls there are wood studs. I try avoid putting screws in my walls as much as possible. So, with screws I’ve installed a paper towel holder, small spice holder, magnetic knife block, and small fruit basket. I always drill pilot holes & use locktite red on the screw. I’ve never had a screw loosen or fall out. On everything else I use picture command strips. I love these strips because I can change it up without putting holes in the walls. I also like to avoid the risk of damage to wiring. The command strips hold fantastic. I have had one large picture that won’t stay up in transit. This is due to the hollow wall flexing when going down the road. It hangs on the forward part of the bunks by the furnace thermostat. The whole wall does not flex, but the wallboard does. I just take that picture down and put it on the bed during transit. Hope this helps! Always glad to help especially right now when inventory is so low. I’m hearing things should catch up in a couple months. Best wishes & I hope you find the perfect rig for your needs!
Cabinet doors breaking due to cheap plastic joints that connect them, clamp that holds tank valves, spilling contents on the road are just some of the issues with my 2017 16B with 3000 miles on it. I haven’t used it for 2 yrs due to the issues with it. Being stored in a nice temp control garage until I feel its safe to take it out. I will never buy another one of these again. It’s sad those issues went bad on the first 9mos.
Hi @josh3326. I’m always bummed to hear stories like this. Some things in mainstream RV industry are getting better. Other things, like the issues you mentioned, sadly are not. I wish you all the best moving forward. Thanks for watching & commenting!
Hi. Thanks for the detailed video. I'm curious if you were able to communicate with the manufacturer about the "defects" such as the screws coming loose etc. and if so, were they receptive to your feedback and willing to research making improvements?
Hi @Philip Kauppinen!
I did not communicate with them directly. I do know that factory representatives watch people’s videos and they monitor forum groups for the purposes of collecting feedback.
I’m going to be up at the factory soon. I plan to check in regarding quality improvements. They haven’t resumed factory tours yet, but I’ll see what I can do. Stay tuned…
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Ty , Great Video . I am now not buying an RV for 25K . I hope you have Following Seas and Fair Winds .
No could not contact them
@@CrowdFreeRVhow’s the swinteck slide working out. I probably spelled it wrong.
I’ve had rvs for 35 years, various types, manufacturers and brands. Screws vibrate loose in every one.
On of the, by far, most detailed and realistic reviews of a product I've ever seen. We were on the fence, but you sold us. We bought a '23 this morning in Tulsa. Excellent job, sir. Excellent.
I'm in the process of looking to get a travel trailer and your video popped up in my search. I've watched probably about a dozen or so videos on different ones and I just wanted to say that your video has been the best out of them all! I didn't expect to have such detail thrown at me!! Thank you for this!
Glad it was helpful @hakarumonoka! Thanks for watching & commenting!
The most detailed review ive seen so far on youtube with ANY RV/Trailer
Thanks @david david! I appreciate that!
I invite you to check out what we’re doing at crowdfreerv.com
Thanks for watching & commenting!
My wife and I are picking up our Geo-Pro 20BHS in a few days, and the thorough walkthrough was just what I needed!
Congratulations @Chris Heilberger!
Glad to video was helpful & hope all goes well with your Geo delivery! Happy adventuring & thanks for watching & commenting!
I have to say, when I started this video, I was DREADING the 1 hour PLUS view time and couldn't imagine why it was so long, but man, this was a very good and thorough video where you made your points well! Really appreciate all the little tips to look out for. We are shopping for our first rig and Rockwood has now become a leading contender. Stay safe out there!
Hello @Meditative Essence! Thanks for your kind comment! It means a lot 🙂
One thing to consider in the current production climate - I just spoke with the Rockwood factory yesterday. The have been able to keep parts in stock and run a full 5 day per week production schedule. Some manufacturers are running 2-3 days per week due to parts shortages. This is something to look into if you special order a rig vs. buying one from dealer stock.
I subbed once I saw the 2020 bill. :) Hope RUclips doesn't try to have you arrested. Another great presentation on this RV brand. Thanks!
Thanks for the sub even though I have that hateful violence inciting $20 in my rig! 😁
Stay free my friend!
A tip from an old master mechanic (me) about screws coming out. If you have a screw that just won't cooperate about staying tight, perhaps a pop-rivet (sometimes with added small washers on both sides of the hole, if you can get to those areas) may be a more permanent fix like where your stove screws were. But keep in mind if you ever have to disassemble an item that's been riveted, you'll have to drill out the rivets so consider that before riveting.
Good idea on tire upgrade, 'margin' on everything is a good idea, tow capacity, tires, battery amperage, all of it.
Thanks for the rivet tip @Silas Longshot! Appreciate your watching & commenting!
We are buying a 2024 Geo Pro as our first camper. Thank you for this video. It’s given us peace about our decision.
I just noticed on a recent Forest River Geo Pro manufacturing tour, they are now double nutting the flooring screws. I think we have you to thank for this… My new 19FBS arrived in October. Beyond excited!
What year did they start doing this.
I chatted with the Factory. Heres some info you might want?
"The lug nuts on the wheels need to be torqued between 95 and 110."
We are double nutting the front bolt on each side of the trailer. All bolts get a lock nut and the front get a lock nut and a nylon lock nut. The issue started with the front ones coming loose and when those did, the rest followed - that is why we double nut the front.
Thanks for sharing the info @Nathan C!
Much appreciated!
All the More Reason that I just ORDERED a 2021 Geo Pro! Because they CARE ABOUT QUALITY!
I was told by more than one Dealer that Forrest River asks them "what are the Customers saying about their Trailers? They also wanted to know what the Customers were wanting to see added to the Trailers. Forrest River is certainly concerned about the Quality of their Products.
@@nathanc3396 Unfortunately that has not been my experience with Forest River. Check out my comment on my 2018 Rpod 179 and from a lot of Rpod owners in the forums especially in the past few years and hopefully they don't share similar build techniques and materials to Geo Pros or they have made improvements to fix the problems like Rpod owners have experienced? That being said I've done enough mods, improvements, and do regular inspections/maintenance to make it manageable. One thing for sure is put the rig through a good break-in and fix any issues while it's still under the 1 year warranty because after that they can be very expensive to fix.
I made a trip to my local RV dealer yesterday to see what they had avalible. I was blown away by all the flaws I could see right in plan sight on brand new trailers. Most still had saw dust everywhere.
Yes, it’s an unfortunate reality.
There’s still much opportunity for quality improvement.
My attitude is this:
1. Be aware & buy the best rig you can.
2. Celebrate the advancements in quality. These advancements are not across the board, but are there with some brands. These advancements (like Azdel, aluminum framing and vacuum bonding) are complete game changers.
3. Keep the pressure on for continuous improvement.
Yes, they work too fast and get sloppy.
Saw dust is normal in any travel trailer or fifth wheel for first couple trips.
I was on my way to purchase a rockwood geo pro 16bhs and after watching this video I cancelled my order and will continue to search for something else. I do not need these problems in my life. Thank you!
Whatd you go with?
Hmmm....I thought his review was mostly positive? We just purchased a '24 20fbs GeoPro and are super excited. My husband, who is very handy, was impressed with the material used in the build, which is why this is a light camper.
How much have you camped/pulled it?
@Asking-for-a-friend we just got it (50th wedding anniversary present). Leaving Monday for our first camp trip about 2 hours from home. We've had some camper experience (used campers), so looking forward to experiencing new. It pulled great the 40 minutes to home after purchase. We are pulling it with a Titan 4x4.
Please update after the trip
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! We are first timers, and this video helped us get through the walk through, spot the minor issues to have them fixed by the dealer before we roll out, and feel confident it was a good rig! 🎉❤ will be following now 😁✌️
Thanks for an excellent review of your Geo Pro. It's always a peace of mind knowing that someone with the experience and knowledge that you have, am definitely sold on a Geo Pro.
Something you can do with screw holes, that usually works if they are stripped, is use some epoxy mixed with metal filings, use a release agent like wax on the screw. Just make sure the material you are repairing is thick enough. The metal filings reinforce the epoxy to the point where you can actually drill and tap it. May want to check if there is any issue with needing a certain type of epoxy that is particularly suited to Azdel or not, any wood items or alum items will be OK with a 5min epoxy. In wood and alum, you cand also use a rivnut, which needs a biigger hole, but, it expands into the material when tightened like a rivet, and then you can use whatever size and thred pitch screw as necc. They use them on fibreglas to install light brackets, mirror brackets etc.
Thanks for the very helpful info @Dave Collins!
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THE CACKLING LAUGH FROM THE BATHROOM!
Yes, @Scott H, she LOVES to mess with me while I’m filming! 😂🦨
Me 2!
I've been eyeing this trailer up, great review. Thank you for posting this.
I bought a new 25 foot 2020 Airstream in the Spring of 2020. The first thing I did was remove all the screws inside and out I could and put Locktite on all of them. So far after over 10K miles nothing has come loose. I suggest everybody do this task. Be aware that if they did all you expect then the trailer would cost much more because this would slow down production. It is a sad reality in the RV business model.
👋 Hello @Kevin Lee!
Thanks for your insightful comment! It’s much appreciated!
@@CrowdFreeRV My pleasure!
I just discovered your you tube channel. Outstanding work. I thought that one hour was going to be boring. It was not. You taught me all kinds of stuff. Thank you for the great job.
I'll bet this guy could spend two hours critiquing a BLT, but wow what great information. I'm considering purchasing my first trailer and now I know everywhere to look. Small lazy details make me nuts, and I had no idea there could be so many issues. Thanks for taking the time.
Looking forward to your video on the hitch setup. Thanks!
We are in the DFW area as well. Just bought a 2021 GeoPro 20BHS, this video was very informative and we did notice a couple differences they made in the past year of production. Maybe we will see you both on the road sometime. The only thing you didn't quite address that we have questions on....is our A/C. The controls on it seem quite basic and if they just added a digital thermostat or had the option for a remote for the A/C, that would be a game changer as well.
Hi @kimelewis!
I felt the same as you about the A/C controls. I also think a digital control would be an upgrade from than the simple dial controls.
After living in our Geo Pro for the last 1.5 years, it's not the controls that I’d really like improved, it's the noise. Specifically, when the compressor kicks in with a loud “thump” it wakes me up at night. If I ever replace or upgrade the a/c, I'm going to look at installing a Coleman Mach 10 NDQ (non ducted quiet)
I know overall this unit is quieter and I'm also curious if the compressor is quieter when kicking in.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Excellent review! Very informative. I really love the level of detail. Thank you for taking the time to make this video!
This video is great thank you so much for sharing this information, today I purchased the Geo pro after much research, but none as informative as yours , I pick mine up next week , we are super stoked , first thing I’m going to do is the same thing you did with the chassis bolts , I will eventually install lithium batteries and look forward to more of your videos . Thanks again
We just traded in our 2019 Jayco X17Z Hybrid for a Dutchman Aspen Trail, and the overview of our Jayco Hybrid was excellent!! It was small, and with having the canvas/vinyl pop out beds regarding condensation, it was a really great trailer for us!
I hope your sister-in-law finds a nice one like we had!
Great, info-packed video. I plan on purchasing the 19BH without the slide next year. It will just be me living in it, so I don't need the extra dining space. Plus, not having a slide is one less thing to break. (I know you said that you haven't had any) problems) I decided on this brand and model because of all the great features I wanted anyway like the solar, the wifi booster, the shower miser, the dual propane tanks, etc. Really glad I watched the whole video and I feel much more confident in my decision. Thank You!
MrBklein31 👋 hello sir! I agree with you on the slide. If you don’t need the space there are advantages to not having a slide; like those you mentioned, plus less gaps for bug intrusion, overall lighter weight, etc...
Thanks for watching & commenting!! I wish you all the best on your purchase & future travels!
No slide means less tongue weight, I think....
I have the 19 geo pro without the slide and there is plenty of space for me... good choice..
@@CR10.07 I’m a fan of not having a slide if you have enough room without it. The benefits are lighter weight, less maintenance, more reliability, easier to heat/cool the rig, and less gaps for bugs to get in.
FreeBirds yes very good points. I think you have such good takes on RV and towing. Thanks
Per an email I received, these are some of the 2021 changes (not to mention the FD model is now 200+ pounds heavier??)
European hinges on cabinets, single handle/tall kitchen faucet, press countertops vs. laminate, larger sink, keyed alike locks, 190w solar, one control system “app”, a/c standard, new cabinetry/fabric/wallboard is lighter color, 12v fridge and supposedly, “off road” is standard.
SEMPERFI8387 thanks for the info!!
I know my comment is very late to this thread, but I found your video extremely helpful! We bought a used 2018 Geo Pro G17RK back in July and take it out every weekend. The first thing that we noticed was loose screws. I now keep a tube of blue thread locker in the camper.
Hey Ben,
My local Geo dealer got two units in last Friday and before I could get over there Saturday they both we’re gone. 2021 19FBS and a 19BH. I go to go into the BH before it was driven off the lot. The sink is now recessed under the countertop and is much larger. Now yo can get two solar panels and they are 140’s now. So they are listening to the RUclipsr’s. Thanks Ben. Hope to see you guys on the road some day!
Wil
Wil DeLorme thanks for watching & the info. Much appreciated!!
I thought they are using 190W now?
SEMPERFI8387 I’ve learned that they are indeed using 190’s now. My unit was built in late 2019 and it’s an early 2020 model.
Semperfi It could be. I was quoting what the deal rep says. I imagine you are more likely correct!
Thanks for the in-depth video. I have been considering a Geo Pro and you have given me more information than I could imagine. Never get this anywhere else.
I had researched campers for along time and was on the fence. But after watching your 6k mile review I realized the sturdiness of the product and placed my order for 19FD
Congrats @Nathan C!!
Let us know when you take delivery!
@@CrowdFreeRV will do! We are in Lafayette, La. when you are on an east bound trip let me know and I cook yall a Cajun Meal! Have yall ever stayed at CAJUN PALMS in Henderson, La just off I-10 near the Achafalaya Basin?
@@nathanc3396 dude Cajun Palms looks AWESOME! We’ll try to take you up on your offer! Will keep you posted when we look to head east.
Random fact - I’m normally a religious bacon & eggs breakfast guy. But... best breakfast I’ve EVER had was this bacon, shrimp, grits gumbo dish. It was from a place in New Orleans.
Thanks again for the invite. I’ll stay in touch. Y’all do the same!
I’ve had everything that you mention except the body bolts. I checked them and they were good. My stove / oven fell out !!! Because I didn’t know where the screws were coming from when I would find them on the floor. I really don’t cook on mine I use it for work in place of hotels. They also had to replace my toilet because it would leak intermittently!! Plus replacement of my awning motor!!
Yikes! The oven falling out is a new one! Hope you got everything sorted out before the warranty ran out!
You’re part of a growing trend of people using an RV for work assignments in lieu of hotels. It’s growing in popularity for military people as well.
Thanks for watching & commenting @Joe Deriscavage!
I’ll find out in about 5 to 6 weeks when I start using it again!!
What bike hitch did you buy and how did you mount it? Great video!
Great video! Loved the honesty and all the detailed information.
Purchased this trailer beginning of this year. Have taken it on multiple week long trips and thousands of miles. The four of us are beyond comfortable in it. So far I only have two complaints with the trailer. First was and easy fix. One battery just isn't enough. Went with 2 6Vs and it's more than enough now. The second was on the slide out side. The wheel well is open and doesn't connect to the side of the trailer. Driving in mud/snow or even just road grim can get thrown up onto the side of the trailer. Also inside if the same wheel well moisture can easily get into the slideout wall if not sealed properly. Spent about 20 minutes and a tube of exterior silicone on it. Probably going to be one of those yearly maintenance things I keep an eye on. As far as screws coming out and curtains falling down I have not seen that yet. It will happen, things break (especially if you have kids 🤣) just fix it move on and enjoy the adventures.
Thank you for the review. I am about to buy one of these trailers. Can you send pics of where I need to silicone to keep moisture out? I will be driving in the snow often. Any other tips now that you have owned for a while?
Thanks Ben for giving a detailed review on your Rig. I Just purchased our Rockwood Mini Lite back in February and have been out a few times already, As a Newbie I have been looking at a lot of you tube videos to get Ideas. We have been staying locally around New England and in a couple of weeks are heading out to our longest trip yet to Missouri. I will be getting underneath my rig and checking all the nuts and bolts. You are correct by saying that the manufacturers should produce a better product or better quality control on there product that is installed in the rigs. Thanks again and stay safe,
Safe travels and happy adventuring @Robert Magdaleno! Thanks for watching & commenting!
Thanks for the very detailed video, I’ve watched many RUclips videos on different makes and models of campers and I always come back to the Geo Pro. I do realize very rv is going to have its issues, but I still think for the price point the Geo Pro is the route I’m going with. I really like the 19fb with the Murphy bed. It just checks all the boxes for what I’m looking for. I’m just really amazed with the negative comments about the geo pro by these so to speak experts. I just laughed at the ignorance, and most complaints are usually from operator error. Like one I read about the Dexter axle being junk because if you speed around a corner and hit a curb you can’t get it realigned. Well slow down and don’t run up over a curb lol. Anyway great video thanks again.
Glad you liked the vid @truckr74! Thanks for watching & commenting!
Definitely endorsing loctite!
Good to know about Dexter Axles.
Thank you so much. I just bought a 2021.5 G20BHS. Love it so far.
Awesome @Justin G! I wish you many wonderful adventures & memories!
Thanks for watching & commenting. Much appreciated!
Thank you for sharing a very throughout, honest review of the trailer. I found tons of useful information from this video. BTW: Love the 2020 dollar bill you taped up :)
Thanks @A H!
Yep, great Bill!!
What a great video! My husband and I purchased a Forest River product and it honestly was just poorly made. I believe that Forest River makes their products cheaply because of more probability in the end. Also, their customer service is so BAD! In the end the dealer and the manufacture do not care which is sad no matter how much money you spent.
In the end we sold the Forest River product and purchased a Grand Design. I can't tell you enough what a huge difference a Grand Design truly is. I am not saying that we will never have any issues with the Grand Design, but I can say that the quality is night and day from the Forest River. Also, Grand Design is top notch when offering help and parts! Granted you will pay more, but in the end with great customer service, a overall better product it's worth the money. I am sure many people will disagree, but you pay for what you get.
What model? Forest River is a group of companies. What was the price difference from the FR to the Grand Design? “Usually” price goes hand in hand with level of quality.
Hi @Vickie Payne!
We have heard similar comments from many owners regarding their Grand Design experience!
I celebrate the higher levels of quality that GD is bringing to the marketplace! I believe that a rising quality tide will raise many ships.
Forest River is a huge conglomerate encompassing many brands. Rockwood is but one of those brands. Their brands are not all created equal. Rockwood, like Grand Design is trying to do business better.
The problem with the Grand Design comparison in this conversation is GD is better known for producing larger TT’s and 5th wheels. They do make some smaller units but I don’t consider them “ultralight” like the Geo Pro. Their smallest TT is an Imagine XLS 15FLE which has a UVW of 4,036 lbs. That’s about a half ton heavier than a Geo Pro of the same size. And Geo Pro has figured out how to make an ultralight that is still rugged enough to not start falling apart over the long haul.
So... If a person is looking for a small ultralight TT, can you see why I would never steer them toward Grand Design?
Now for larger travel trailers or 5th wheels, that is a completely different story.
Hope this makes sense.
Thanks for watching & commenting!!
@@SEMPERFI8387 we purchased and imagine 22MLE. Out the door price was about 30k. But worth every penny!
@@vickiepayne5325 no I meant what model Forest River.
Forest River makes 50+ different travel fifth wheel trailers which one is it or maybe grand design HQ knows better.
That part is called the flame spreader on the top....of the burner
Thanks @Joe Blow!
They make Nylock nuts with a built in washer that has grooves in it that would never back off.
Great video!! Really appreciated the honest review of this TT. Best regards, Bob
Hi! Quick question. You mentioned putting locktite on all the screws. Which locktite?
@Leland Plume I use the red formula which has the highest locking properties.
Have you tried stover nuts for the body to frame connections? They're meant for high vibration applications.
Hello @Dave Goedicke! I didn’t consider the stover (or nylock) for my trailer because the bolt head is covered up and I didn’t want to worry about them spinning. I hope the factory is considering either a nylock or stover nut. Either would work great and would solve this issue for good!
Thanks for watching & the stover tip!
love how frank you are on Pluses and Minus on the trailer. I would easily go to the geo-pro at some later date.
Appreciate your kind comment @Joe Rogers! And I’m glad the video was helpful. Thanks for watching!!
thanks for the video, can you show how you mounted the receiver to carry the bikes? thanks, happy camping.
Stay tuned for a video on this real soon @Jared Hebert! I had a weld shop custom fabricate and install it.
We our in our second InTech. Started with a Sol Dawn after downsizing and bought a Terra when they came out as it is the perfect fit. We looked at the Geo Pro but found the build not to par coming from Airstream. The selling point of InTech was Azdel one piece roof. All aluminum frame with the wood cabinets bolted to the Aluminum frame. Also Dexter TorFlex axels.
We have over 29,000 miles on our Terra I’ve r the last 22 months. I would never own a Travel Trailer without the full aluminum frame and one piece azdel fiberglass
Great video
Based on your comments on the frame outrigger bolts, I checked my 2020 19FBS and all seem to be tight. I hesitate to loosen the factory installed nuts since I have no access to the hex head of the bolt (which should have been installed with a fender washer). However, I have been giving some thought to adding an additional stainless steel flat washer, lock washer and hex nut with red Loc-tite to add security to the bottom of the bolt. The flat washer and lock washer for position security, and the hex nut and red Loc-tite to keep the upper elements from releasing. Opinion? By the by, someone suggested replacing the rusting steel strap with one screw that holds the black and gray tank output with a muffler mount, like you would find on a car. Interesting.
Hi @Glen Muir!
I agree, a fender washer on the interior head side of the bolt would indeed allow some more tension to be applied to the fastener. I wish they would do this as well.
Your plan of addressing the loosening nuts will work fine. But I feel like the stainless & lock washer would not be necessary. If it was me I would -
1. Make sure the factory nuts are snug. If a bolt begins to spin, use a wrench to snug the nut while gently holding the bolt shank with a tool like pliers or vice grips. Wrap tape around the tool teeth and be gentle so the bolt threads are not damaged.
2. Using a small wire brush, clean the bolt threads to remove any dirt.
3. Apply the jam nut with red loctite. It just needs to be snug.
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I like the muffler pipe hanger idea! My hanger just snapped at the point where it meets the grey pipe. Metal fatigue from flex I’m guessing. I’ve already purchased a replacement aluminum strap from Lowe’s but if it snaps I’ll try the exhaust hangar next. Great tip!
Thanks for watching & commenting Glen! Much appreciated!
@@CrowdFreeRV Thank you, too.
I am more than a little sure that locktite will not work on wood. It is meant for metal to metal
👋 Hey @Jerry Gundrum! You are exactly right! Loctite was indeed formulated for metal-to-metal. In experimenting with wood-to-metal, I’ve discovered mixed results:
For attaching things to the thin wood interior wallboard I’ve had fantastic results. My most surprising application was attaching wire baskets for towels in the bathroom of a toyhauler I formerly owned. I mounted these baskets, which were without attach points, by putting on eyelet zip ties to the baskets. I then screwed the zip tie eyelets to the wall. I drilled a small pilot hole, and used a shallow screw with loctite. The baskets fasteners all stayed tight and none of the fasteners failed. The baskets carried a surprising amount of weight of towels & washcloths.
I’ve also tried using loctite on loosening interior screws where the wood was just too loose of grip for the loctite to work. In that instance loctite was useless and only a proper hole repair will work. I’ll usually epoxy in some wood toothpicks or a bit of wood dowel.
Hope this helps!
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Very informative, you are a person that is well organized and intelligent. Good luck in all your future travels. Happy motoring. Thanks
Glad you found the video informative @richard fabrizio! Thanks for watching & commenting!
Enjoyed your video. We have a 2020 19FD we got in the spring. We've had the same issues with the screws & stove top burner popping out. We will be doing the screw eyelet solution for our cupboards. Best solution we've seen, inexpensive and quick. Thank you.
We replaced our kitchen tap with the Vanra faucet & moved the kitchen faucet to the bathroom.
Will be checking the bolts underneath in the spring.
Nice balanced review.
Love the layout & the Murphy bed of our trailer.
Looking forward to more of your videos.
Thanks for watching & for your kind comment @Barbara Graves! Much appreciated! Where do y’all like to take your 19FD? Are you looking for new places to explore?
I almost pulled the trigger on a geo pro..but two items kept me away. 1 Single axle limits weight and double axle is safer in case of a tire failure.2. Geo pro uses wafer board for flooring.. I selected the Winnebago Micro mini to get a double axle and plywood floor. Winnebago does have its problems which are cheap Cabinet doors and poor structure of wood for the bed. I had to add wood supporting the bed.
Hi @Lawrence Creamer!
I totally agree with you on the axle issue! You've got a lot better cargo carrying capacity on the double axle as well. Sounds like overall you've had a good experience with the Micro Mini, which makes me happy. Winnebago is a good brand. Thanks for watching & commenting!
As of 2022 they switched to solid tongue and groove plywood. Little heavier but better for sure.
Would like to see more of the baskets and things you have in the rv like the fruit basket set up above the sink.
I'll keep this in mind for a future video @Paul Terrazas! Thanks for watching & commenting!
This looks like a winner. What are you towing this rig with? So many ? For you! Thank you
Hi @Elly Thompson!
I’m towing with a 2016 Ram 1500 four wheel drive. It pulls it good.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
iI agree with the lock tight! Love my Geo but it’s endless with the screws coming lose and out.
Thanks for watching watching & commenting @Leah Hall!
Great and very thorough review. Which bumper hitch did you use for the rear? We have the e-Pro 20bhs and need to do the same as you for our bike rack.
How did you install the bike rack behind your trailer?
Does it seem to bounce more on rougher roads than a double axle trailer? Does it seem like the cabinet materials are going to hold up long term? Have you had any problem overloading the inverter and have to reset it? Would it be hard to replace the 1000watt inverter with a 2000 watt. This year they have moved up to a 190 solar panel :) I like that!!! I would add a 2nd 190 panel, 2000 watt inverter and two Li's. They have also started using a much larger deeper sink.....thank goodness!!! Also a 10ft cu ft 12V fridge is available.....I feel good about that!!!!
👋 Hey Richard!
It's hard to say if it bounces more than a comparable size/weight trailer with double axles. I would need to test both to answer that. But... just from my own experience, a small ultralight travel trailer will have more bounce than larger heavier units. My previous two trailers were 27' and 29' toy haulers and substantially heavier. They seemed to bounce less but would "porpoise" more depending on how much cargo I was hauling in the garage.
I've only overloaded my inverter once. I tried running our small portable vacuum cleaner with it. It was too much wattage.
As to the ease of installing a 2000 watt inverter, the thing to investigate is the power feeders running from the batteries to the inverter. If they are large enough to handle the extra power demand from the larger inverter, it would be a simple bolt-in replacement. If they are too small you would need to run larger wires. It would be good to do that project in conjunction with upgrading to Li batteries.
Man, I sure would love that larger sink!
As to the larger 12v fridge, it sounds like a potentially good upgrade. But some people are reporting that the compressor is noisy. And I'm curious how much power it draws for when you are boondocking and running off batteries. I'm not against the 12v fridge, just cautiously curious.
Thanks for watching & commenting Richard!
@@CrowdFreeRV I like how you think. I'm in full agreement on the Li Battleborns. My dream system would be:
4 - Battle Born 100 Ah 12 V LiFePO4 Deep Cycle batteries
1 - Victron BMV-712 Battery Monitor with Bluetooth built-in
1 - Victron Multiplus Inverter/Charger 3000 W
1 - Precision Circuits Battery Guardian
1 - Zamp Solar 30-AMP LiFePO4 Solar Charge Controller
It would be a boondocking dream :)
With the wiring already in place from the factory "hopefully" it would be possible to pull the appropriate size wires to where they would need to go. The inverter in the pass through mounted on a wall would work well, the batteries under the bed with a small electric fan in the side of the bed's stand to provide heat and ventilation would be good.
Being able to run the AC from the battery bank would be awesome. A&M says to figure a hour of AC for every 100 AH battery.
I'm very pleased with the move towards the 12V compressor fridge but wish they would have used the Furrion Arctic fridge instead.
I am also considering the Rockwood Mini lite but weight (CCC) is a major consideration. My t v is a Toyota Tundra rated at 7100 lbs tow and a paltry 1325 lb CCC
I love the looks of both the Geo and the Mini Lite but the thought of a blow out at 60mph with a single axle is something that has to be taken into consideration. It will get a lot of hwy miles as it will be a full timer for a couple of years. Our retirement gift to ourselves.
Thanks for your vids....they are appreciated!
Rick
Thank u! Such great info. About to buy one tomorrow. We r long time campers. Never had a new one. Keep it up
Since the Geo Pro & E-Pro have the Dexter Torflex Axles have you considered creating a video about proper placing of a jack for flat tire change to keep from possibly damaging axle?
Hi @Nathan C. that’s a great video idea! Very timely actually as we are dealing with an issue concerning our Dexter Torflex Axle as we speak. Stay tuned!! Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@CrowdFreeRV send me the video title for Dexter Torflex Axle Problem.
@@nathanc3396 still working on it
Hi Ben, absolutely loved your video. We have the exact same GeoPro 20BHS. I am curious about how you (or your fabricator) attached the 2” receiver to the rear of the camper for the bike rack. We would like to do so the same. We have been from Vermont to Florida and many stars on between with our GeoPro and love it.
I have the same problem with the screws glad you explained lock tight. Now I can fix them
Thank you on the bolts to the frame issue..I added a nut and lock tite to my frame bolts on my Winnebago micro mini thinking it could be the same as a geo pro
Glad this helped you on your Winnie as well!!
Great Video! We are in the early stages of choosing a rig and a small one of these is in the running.
Good information, thank you for taking the time to do this.
Glad we could help @Ben C! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Is the tub large enough to sit in?
@Truth in th Word - kids can sit comfortably. I'm 6’1” and I fit. I don't know if I would call it comfortable though. My legs have to be about halfway folded up to fit.
Hope this helps!
~ Ben
Crowd Free RV It does, thanks.
Hey guys just wanted to give some info I’ve been in the glass trade for 30 years the windshields in these are a laminated product same as the windshield in your car and in residential - commercial use it we will not use or sell tinted laminated glass as it heat cracks even clear laminated that’s been tinted will crack adding a closed blind or reflective only make it worse your other windows are tempered glass they will be fine dot will not Allow tempered glass in windshields
My Advice is to leave the shade up the reflective off When vehicle is in storage or even traveling , only cover windshields on these units when it’s not in direct sunlight and when not in high temps use your coverings on this windshield only to keep warm now if the windshiel was clear it would be fine
Thanks for the info @Boosted Big Inch! I’m going to survey other Geo Owners to see what kind of luck they have had. Thanks for watching & commenting!
Do y'all live in your TT full time?
We do!
We’re considering a flagstaff 22FBS same as Rockwood 2205S. Of all affordable campers, they seem to be the best fit and finish of any we have seen.
GeoPro is what we want to get, Super big Thank You with all detailed info. My list to my dealer once we find one will be subject to certain work to correct the deficiencies noted . WOW, You take care and thanks 🙏 again .
how did you water proof the router and solar panels and stuff? what size ac unit did you buy again?
Great review. Can you please tell me if the length of the bed is adequate? I think the brochure showed it at 74 inches and I am 6 feet tall so I would imagine either my head or my feet would be touching something during the night. How is it working for you? Thanks.
Hello @Jim Bo!
I’m 6’1” and no I considered the mattress to be a bit too short, and it was too firm for both my wife and I.
So… we had a local mattress shop custom make us a mattress that was both softer and taller. The top of the mattress is now level with the headboard. I then put my pillow on top of the headboard. The gives me the extra space I needed to be comfortable.
Most major cities have custom mattress manufacturers. We’ve done this twice now for two different RV’s.
Hope this helps!
Great video, I looked at a used 2020 today and this tells me so much as I make a decision about it. Thanks!
Thank you! Is it a four season trailer?
I am looking to purchase my first trailer … overall I’m stunned at the low quality and high prices!
Welcome to the United States! Land of greed and shoddy workmanship!
can you tell me more about your frame mounted receiver hitch mount? I have the E-Pro and am in some serious need of doing something on the rear to transport my generator. As it stands, its too big to go inside the under storage compartment and so I hve to pick this beast up and put it inside the camper when in transit. It's tedious to say the least. I was considering a pumper or hitch. Thoughts?
Yes, @Gare Spyder Stevens, I feel your strain...
I use a 3400 watt generator which weighs 114 wet. It’s a chore to lift in & out of the truck to be sure.
The first thing to consider is custom modifications to the trailer frame voids the factory warranty.
The next thing is the frame is ultralight by design. It’s not an easy frame to mount anything to which is why there are no prefabbed solutions out there.
You would need to find a weld/fab shop who is experienced in this type of custom work who could look at the project & advise you from there.
The last thing to consider is often increasing tail weight reduces the stability of the trailer. I hope this helps!
I’m going to release a video in May talking all about my trailer hitch install.
Stay tuned...
@@CrowdFreeRV so I definitely feel you on the warranty which ran out last month and was the reason I did nothing before. As for stability, I’m not sure if this matters but I do have the equalizer weight distribution on my Jeep. Anything you could recommend would be amazing. I just don’t have the room and I’m full time RV living in a travel healthcare career right now. The loading and unloading is beyond old. Lol. Thanks!
@@ncdjcompany if you’re interested in pursuing this, call around to the welding/fabrication shops in your area and see if any are experienced in this kind of work. Trailer repair shops and custom hitch install shops are also good ones to reach out to. When I had mine done, I was in Fort Worth at the time. I found a weld shop who did custom hitches on trailers all the time. Have you ever seen a 5th wheel trailer pulling another trailer behind it? They put those kind of hitches on.
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The first hitch they put on was too light duty and it failed. I’m going to be back in Fort Worth in May and they are going to rebuild it. I’ll release the vid after it’s done and document the whole thing, including the failed hitch.
Best wishes on your solution!
What did you use to attach all your wall art and paper towel holder? Do you actually screw into the walls? Thanks! Love the Trump cash, btw!
👋 hi @valeriemayville!
I use picture command strips wherever possible. On items that need a bit more secure attachment, like the paper towel holder, I screw to the wall. My secret for the screws staying in is:
- drill pilot holes
- use loctite red on the screw threads
- tighten the screws very gently
Hope this helps!
I enjoyed your Video! I learned a lot. Thank you. Definitely feel more confident in going forward to purchasing one.
Hopefully soon!
any idea what size nuts for the bolts holding the shell top the frame so i can buy them before i go to the trailer this spring
Hi 👋 @David montagpf! The nuts are 3/8” coarse which is 3/8”X16.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
@@CrowdFreeRV thanks for the quick response also on another video I found out you can trip the power inverter my plugs were not working with the batteries just the USB going to have to check that its behind the closet panel I guess
Hi, quick question on your bike rack. Can you post a link to the item you installed, as we also would like to have something similar. I assume the rear weight is not an issue for your setup?
👋 Hi @Nicholas Gunder!
My answers will start backwards:
1. Yes, weight on the tail of the trailer was a big concern. At 60mph my Geo was very sway-stable. Above 65 I experienced quite a lot of sway. So much so, I ran with as little weight in the rear as possible, and a full fresh water tank in the front so my hitch weight ratio increased from 10% to 15%. This helped most of the time. Occasionally the sway was still there. It was usually just exhausting but at times, like in construction zones, it was a bit dangerous. I installed a Hensley Hitch which 100% fixed the sway and made tail weight a non issue. The Geo now tows like a dream and tail weight is a non issue.
2. The bike rack mounts on a custom fabricated receiver hitch by a weld/fab shop. The first install was a complete failure. The welds fatigued and then broke. So... I’m going to have the hitch redone in the spring. After I do, I’ll do a video talking about the whole process.
3. The bike rack is a Kuat Sherpa purchased from REI. We LOVE this bike rack! www.rei.com/product/109437/kuat-sherpa-20-2-bike-hitch-rack
Thanks for watching & commenting!
@@CrowdFreeRV thanks for taking time to write such a great reply.
Sandra Westley from the UK we have excellent bike racks that fit on the back of trailers if you want to explore further afield for ideas.
Do you remember any info on the hitch? A couple local shops wasn't to fabricate one for over $1000. No that isn't happening lol. Surely there is a good premade hitch option
@Gary Brower I have not come across any premade hitch options.
The swagman and curt adjustable width trailer hitches are what was suggested to me and verified by other geo pro owners. They bolt on or can be welded to several types of frames. I was hoping to get extra validation before ordering one
It would be nice if they had a cover u could place over the front window when u are underway. Replacing that window will be expensive. I know others that said theirs cracked too and was 800 dollars to replace.
I agree @Mike Brandenburg. The window isn’t worth it if it gets broken frequently. I’ll let y’all know how much mine costs to be replaced. And when it’s replace I’m going to look at having a clear protective film applied - like the clear bra material that’s out there.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
@@CrowdFreeRV what I saw some other RUclips channel do that has a Rockwood ultra lite is put a truck wide skirt by the bumper to keep stones from being kicked up by wheels.
The Jayco 264 bh has none of these problems and we have traveled over 25,000 miles in 2 yrs.
That’s awesome @santini1953! I love to hear success stories and great ownership experiences! Thanks for watching & commenting!
Thanks I had 3 each missing nuts and 2 each loose nuts. I took your suggestion and backed the nut with another nylon nut. Man thanks for the information, I could have had serious issue if not checked and repaired.
Very comprehensive with excellent, thorough communication of balanced, well thought-out problem/solution oriented review! Awesome 😎!!!
Very informative video. What are the type and size of nuts you used to avoid the frame problem? Just bought a used geo pro 19fd and would like to prevent any issues?
Great review, I suggest using some industrial adhesive behind the fridge facing next time, that with the trim should solve it.
Thanks for the tip @rick klein! For my initial fix I put some epoxy at the "snap together" points of that bottom trim piece. So far so good. After a few thousand more miles it has not come apart again.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Such a great review! Thank you for taking the time.
This was fantastic and I thank you for all the heads-up helpful hints. I'm looking at purchasing a used one (same year model). I'll certainly be looking at the important areas now to make sure everything is ok. I lost my husband to cancer last year so I will be doing this solo. Looks like with all your info, it will be very doable 😀 Thank you again. I'll be keeping up with your videos in a big way 🌞
Im curious what and how you were able to install a receiver hitch on the back? Im looking to do the same thing.
@Roland House I found a weld shop that custom fabricated and installed one. Stay tuned for a video on this soon.
Thanks very much. Wondering what the weight limit is, how far out the receiver went, and what they welded to. Not a lot of room on my Geo.
Great video. Every trip is an earthquake - hahah! Love that you just identify the issues and show the obvious simple fixes to address manufacturing shortcuts! Due to riding old vibrating British motorcycles, I buy Loctite in bulk ;-) Glad to hear that the bones are solid as this model is on our short list. Thx!
Your comment made my day @Robert Mckeown! Man it’s hard to beat an old bike full of unique character! You go for a ride and it’s like two old cranky best friends on a joyful journey.
My background among other things is aviation. Like your bikes, everything is always trying to loosen from vibration & sonic influences. Locktite, lockwire, & self locking nuts!!
Glad the vid was helpful & thanks again for the comment!
DUDE YOU ARE THE BEST
I’m appreciative in the fact that our homes (generally) are not put together by the “Lighthouse for the Blind”. I assume during the purchase of a new RV, you should take a weekend to apply sealant and Loc-Tite?
That’s a correct assumption @Bryan Woody. Just speaking for my particular Geo Pro, the roof sealant was fantastic, but everywhere else was sealed quick & sloppy. So yeah, I did a lot of sealing when I brought it home.
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We’re keeping our Geo Pro for adventuring but it’s small for us full time living in. So... we have picked out a 2021 Keystone Outback Ultralight 244UBH as a possible new full time home. We recently looked at one at a dealer. The roof sealant was bad. Every inch of roof sealant was cracking & gaping. I’m assuming they applied a batch of bad seal. The entire roof needed a reseal and this was a brand new unit by a reputable manufacturer. The entire supply chain was disrupted during Covid. The unit we looked at was built during Covid. I’m wondering if their usual sealant was unavailable so they used what they could get. Just speculation on my part.
But... bottom line you need to depend on yourself or someone you trust to make sure things are right.
Thanks for watching & commenting!
Ben
I just watched your post on the tour of the Forest River plant and Geo Pro build... thank you ... very helpful in providing info to assist in decision making
Thank you for your previous post regarding the heat strip and power outlets.
As you may know, GeoPro units are scarce ...so I have not found a dealer within 200 mile of my home that has one for me to look at before purchase.
I was wondering if you could describe the wall covering? What are you using to hang you art and decorations on the walls? Issues ?
The interior wallboard is from what I can tell the industry standard stuff that’s been used for a long time. It’s wooden wallboard of about 1/8” thickness. On the outer walls there are aluminum studs and on most of the inner walls there are wood studs.
I try avoid putting screws in my walls as much as possible. So, with screws I’ve installed a paper towel holder, small spice holder, magnetic knife block, and small fruit basket. I always drill pilot holes & use locktite red on the screw. I’ve never had a screw loosen or fall out.
On everything else I use picture command strips. I love these strips because I can change it up without putting holes in the walls. I also like to avoid the risk of damage to wiring. The command strips hold fantastic. I have had one large picture that won’t stay up in transit. This is due to the hollow wall flexing when going down the road. It hangs on the forward part of the bunks by the furnace thermostat. The whole wall does not flex, but the wallboard does. I just take that picture down and put it on the bed during transit.
Hope this helps! Always glad to help especially right now when inventory is so low. I’m hearing things should catch up in a couple months.
Best wishes & I hope you find the perfect rig for your needs!
@@CrowdFreeRV GREAT information Thank you
Cabinet doors breaking due to cheap plastic joints that connect them, clamp that holds tank valves, spilling contents on the road are just some of the issues with my 2017 16B with 3000 miles on it. I haven’t used it for 2 yrs due to the issues with it. Being stored in a nice temp control garage until I feel its safe to take it out. I will never buy another one of these again. It’s sad those issues went bad on the first 9mos.
Hi @josh3326.
I’m always bummed to hear stories like this. Some things in mainstream RV industry are getting better. Other things, like the issues you mentioned, sadly are not. I wish you all the best moving forward. Thanks for watching & commenting!
Did you have a mention in one of your videos about be sure and have some PEX hose for incase?
Very good real world review. I like that you added a frame mounted hitch. What make and model is it? Thanks.
Love the video. Can you send me more information on the hitch you used on the rear? Do you have a video of the installation of the rear hitch?