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Hallberg Rassy 352 sailing in a 7 to 9 storm in Lyon's Gulf
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2012
- Milonga, captain Paolo and admiral Antonella aboard and Ellos, captain Antonio and
mermaid sailor Teresa aboard, sail close to the wind in the Gulf of Lyon. Wind rose quickly from 5 to 8, with gusts up to 45 knots.
I have just come across this videol. I sail in the Golfe du Lion and when the wind is blowing from the north west, Tranmontan , and the vessel is close to the windward shore there is most regularly very little sea running. Quite uncanny, blue skies and a force 8. Do not underestimate this part of the Med. Flat calm to an 8 in 20 minutes or so. I can understand the video and comments from people who do not know this region
SUCH a fantastic boat! A beautiful day sailing for sure.
The wind, the halyards banging against the mast lovely.
It doesnt seem to be a 7 to 9 force see..
This is exactly why I always refer to my sailing experience with expressions like: fresh wind, fun sailing, exhlirating.. etc rather than figures, which allways seem to make people want to object.
Cameras never capture true sea state, this was 45knots app and a spirited passage no doubt.
Thanks for vid
thanks for your comment.I would be happy to know about your sailing experience.
Antonio
some kiters on the horizon were enojying the storm..
That's a beautiful Sunday afternoon sail on buzzards bay.
Glad someone noticed that!
@@wbc363 Ah, protected Buzzards Bay, know the area, having spent many years sailing just up the coast, and I can assure everyone else, that only crazy folks like my uncle would be out in those conditions (in a Laser), and a young Kennedy one year, trying to prove himself, in a Wianno Senior. Experts only.
53ronin and all: it seems to you or not the wind peaked to 45 knots. It seems that you are confused about the wind speed and the sea state. There is an obvious relation between them, but not a straightforward dependence. In fact they are graded according to different scales. With a short fetch the waves are not as high, and if you have recorded a video while sailing with 45 knots please let us see it, for comparison. antonio.
Mark:: I believe that you did not come across the previous comments. In summary, the point is in the definition of gale. In principle, gale is defined exclusively by wind's force according to Beaufort. The effects of wind on sea state depend of fetch and a number of conditions that include swell, crossing of waves, , currents...... In common imagination gale is associated with high waves and sea state harder than that shown in the video, as it occurs with a long fetch, but that was nor the case in the circumstance of the video, as unumbiguously stated in my very first accompanying comment
Well said!
Kids, homework time. I believe this is the famous "Mistral", of which the German windsurfing company is named after: Gulf of Lion: "This is the area of the cold, blustery winds called the Mistral and the Tramontane. " also from Wikipedia: "The mistral (Catalan: Mestral, Greek: Μαΐστρος, Italian: Maestrale, Corsican: Maestral) is a strong, cold, northwesterly wind that blows from southern France into the Gulf of Lion in the northern Mediterranean. [1] It produces sustained winds often exceeding 66 km/h (41 mph), sometimes reaching 185 km/h (115 mph). It is most common in the winter and spring, and strongest in the transition between the two seasons. Periods of the wind exceeding 30 km/h (19 mph) for more than sixty-five hours have been reported."
Force is a nautical term that defines wind's speed. It is meaningless to speak of a 7 to 9 force sea. As for sea state, the same wind speed can generate waves of 1 m or manyfold higher depending on fetch and duration of wind action. Fabio, imagine to be 50 meters offshore with a force 9 wind blowing from the land, how do you expect the sea will seem ? Indeed, we didn't face anything heroic but wind was 7 to 9 ! Happy to contribute to understanding how varied 7-9 wind can look like. Ellos..
dear soundelutions,
I cannot say how high were the waves andI do not know a method that allows a reliable measurement of waives from aboard. Of course waves' height depends on fetch for which I have no data. I believe that the rapid increase in wind speed was a local phenomenon and the fetch was short. In fact, in a few hours the conditions changed to Beaufort 5. My boat is for sail and I mean to substitute her for a HR 37. I have no doubt that you feel happy with yours. Compliments. Antonio
I sail a HR37. At 45 knots of wind I am not able to sail up against the wind as you do. At open sea the waves would be like 5-8 meter high with white foam and breaking. I don't see that kind of conditions in your movie. Anyway, nice boat!
Dear toryisland, sorry you are wrong. Stop the video at approximately 1min14sec and read the force on the wind instrument. The reading is apparent but it reaches 45. Thanks for your attention. Antonio
But isn't that the relative wind? You are going almost 7 knots at that time.
OK sorry.However the sea state doesn't correspond to what I had at the same wind speed. It must have been a short-lived squall and/or little fetch.
dear Cellardoor70 and Fisher Isle: either of two, or your seamanship is so outstanding as to be able to evaluate the wind speed in a video better than an anemometer in the real condition or your experience is very poor. In fact, only people that has never filmed a rough sea and perhaps has never been in a rough see ignores how videos underestimate the sea state. I am afraid that you are in the latter group. Anyway, as an over 70 that has spent much of his free time sailing, often alone, for the last 40 years I expect that you let me know the right definitions (cellar...), and that you deliver a lesson on how one can argue so exactly the wind speed from the sea state without knowing the circumstances, e.g. the fetch.
that's force 6 and a half at the most!
Not more than 5....
It really does not look at 45 knots
(I think 10 knots less)
ps
Too much kitesurfer, kitesurfing is possible at 45 knots but then only a single profi
A quick search of RUclips shows windsurfers go out in force 10 (Ireland), it's all about talent and the right equipment, i.e. you aren't on your 9.2 m^2 sail, and your big floaty board, and I imagine it's the same for the kite sailors.
Exactly at 1 min 13 sec 45.5 knots.
7 to 9???? You need to review your definitions.
Force 4 - 5 at most!
5 to 6 may be.... [ not even...]...
To the crowd of Saint Thomas followers:
may be...not even
that the sun rises on the right corner of the horizon
that one hour lasts more than 60 minutes
that words freeze in the very North winter and melt in the spring
that a man walks for thousand parasang just to find a shore
that I am stupid but happy
that someone else is a brain performer but unhappy
that one does not distinguish shadows in Platon's cave
that one has a perfect anemometer in his nose
that one starts his tongue before turning on his brain
so many things may be
but one indeed is impossible...
that it was more than 5 to 6---not even...
Antonio
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