The rim mounts are similar to my 604’s, I would have gone for the 421’s, but with a 3 up and 1 down set up they were a bit pricey, I preferred to get better O/H’s, snare and kick mics. Rim mounts are brilliant at reducing that issue of space… as far as the sound difference, they were almost identical, I don’t know if it was my imagination, but maybe I could hear more of the drums shell with the rim mounts? Great video, look forward to more!
It could be psycho-acoustics, but I thought I heard a SLIGHT bit of choke on the decay with the clips, not enough to be offensive. I do think that stands give bit more options in positioning. I am glad you put this one out there! I did send one of those older models flying on the first day of a 4 day tracking session (not my studio or microphone!!!). Good thing they are rugged.
I heard a clear difference. May be proximity effect but the clip increases low mids which is more prevalent especially during the decay which some may hear as ring
The rim mount looks very similar to the ones that come with the Sennheiser e604, and those don't seem to transmit much vibration into the mic, so I'm not surprised that these ones also seem to work well on that front.
While these mics sound great, I'm curious how good or bad the rejection is compared to the regular MD421 as it usually tends to have a lot of bleed in them.
a tad shorter decay and a tad less low end with clips. but that is actually a good thing cause they are a bit boomy compared to the modern 421 standard ones.
i have on order. i will have to say though will not getting the clip. yea they work great in the studio but on stage with the monkeys i get and your mics get to bouncing around you go a different route. i use to use original 421s after several of their arms breaking ( these were not light mics) i now use lp clamps with shure 56 arms
They're a little brighter on clips than on stands; only difference I can hear on KH120 studio monitors. This is probably due to a change in where they're pointed more than anything.
Couldn't imagine it would sound bad. The original was quite a versatile mic in each interation over the years. The one thing that I have learned about music and recording is there is "no formula" or template that needs to be followed or adhered to. If the situation calls for something or sounds pleasing to the ears on playback, then I say, use whatever you want.
Now we can use them on stage .... dude, we've been using them live for over 50 years!
Ugh cant wait to get a set of these! Rock on yo and thanks for the upload!
The rim mounts are similar to my 604’s, I would have gone for the 421’s, but with a 3 up and 1 down set up they were a bit pricey, I preferred to get better O/H’s, snare and kick mics. Rim mounts are brilliant at reducing that issue of space… as far as the sound difference, they were almost identical, I don’t know if it was my imagination, but maybe I could hear more of the drums shell with the rim mounts? Great video, look forward to more!
It could be psycho-acoustics, but I thought I heard a SLIGHT bit of choke on the decay with the clips, not enough to be offensive. I do think that stands give bit more options in positioning. I am glad you put this one out there! I did send one of those older models flying on the first day of a 4 day tracking session (not my studio or microphone!!!). Good thing they are rugged.
@@jeremy20100712 thanks Jeremy 🙂
in a recording situation you're most likely going to cut and fade toms anyways, having that long lasting ring on anything will muddy up a mix.
I heard a clear difference. May be proximity effect but the clip increases low mids which is more prevalent especially during the decay which some may hear as ring
The rim mount looks very similar to the ones that come with the Sennheiser e604, and those don't seem to transmit much vibration into the mic, so I'm not surprised that these ones also seem to work well on that front.
Thanks 🙏 enjoyed this video as always 😊
@@The-Tired-Drummer thank you 🙏
While these mics sound great, I'm curious how good or bad the rejection is compared to the regular MD421 as it usually tends to have a lot of bleed in them.
Still so expensive for a tom mic... No way I'm buying four of these 😂. Thanks for the video 😊
a tad shorter decay and a tad less low end with clips. but that is actually a good thing cause they are a bit boomy compared to the modern 421 standard ones.
i have on order. i will have to say though will not getting the clip. yea they work great in the studio but on stage with the monkeys i get and your mics get to bouncing around you go a different route. i use to use original 421s after several of their arms breaking ( these were not light mics) i now use lp clamps with shure 56 arms
There’s definitely more lows when the mic is on the stand. The clips make the drum sound thin
They're a little brighter on clips than on stands; only difference I can hear on KH120 studio monitors. This is probably due to a change in where they're pointed more than anything.
Starphonic Copper Not favourite anymore?😮😢😅 Had the Starclassic Copper 20 years ago,sold it😢😢 Copper starphonic i also own❤️🔥
With the L-shape XLR.
How do you think this new mic will sound for snares??
Couldn't imagine it would sound bad. The original was quite a versatile mic in each interation over the years.
The one thing that I have learned about music and recording is there is "no formula" or template that needs to be followed or adhered to. If the situation calls for something or sounds pleasing to the ears on playback, then I say, use whatever you want.
I have 15 421’s. The beyerdynamic clip on sounds better.