Hotel Security Gets Himself Fired
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
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That would also mean that someone is being checked into a room that isn't properly clean! Especially if he's using the bathroom or.... doing things while watching the movie.
Oh... I didn't think of that. Gross...
Yeah … I was kind of glad when she couldn’t just open the door and catch the guard watching his movie and maybe doing …. whatever (depending on the movie).
Ewwww, didn't think of it that way
@@filmdiva6840 I would imagine she’s encountered just about every possible situation in her hotel career. I love her skits, but I’m sure they’re just the tip of the iceberg of her actual experiences!
Makes me wonder why they don't have a dedicated place for that guard to be on call in, with tv/movies (or whatever entertainment makes sense to keep them awake and alert) and redundant methods of communication (in case the portable ones fail for whatever reason, ie. batteries).
As a former Security Guard, I can say that if a guy did something repeatedly.. not only were his bosses upset, but probably all of his co-workers were pissed at him, b/c in addition to enhancing the bad rep that security guards already tend to have, he made it that much harder for his replacement to take a break or be trusted by the hotel staff!
Also, in general Whenever anyone abuses/exploits a company like this and gets caught, it makes things worse for the next crop of employees who now have to do the job under stricter rules.
Dumb question from someone who knows nothing about the hotel business: why is the overnight employee called a “night auditor?” Love the vids - they have relevance to anyone who has ever worked in or interacted with people who work in the service/customer care industries.
depending on the hotel. accounting- rate discrepancies, authorize CC, attach restaurant and parking charges to folios
@@annearly3200 Thank you.
Since most guests are checked in and asleep and since all bills need to be ready by the next morning, tabs since the desk/lobby needs to be monitored at all times, it makes sense to have one person combine the job of overseeing the lobby, preparing the bills for guests checking out and handling any issues that occur over night.
The nightly audit is a process by which all house account transactions and guest folios are balanced, ie charges are posted, for that business day. The audit itself consists of correcting any posting errors by performing what is called a bucket check or tub check…basically going through every transaction and guest folio (each guest account) to make sure charges are correct. The night auditor also rolls the business date to the next day.
If audit is not run, transactions and charges will not be completed. Also, the business date will stay one day behind, in which case the system will not load the arriving guests for that day…so night audit is essential. Typically the night audit also consists of compiling various front office reports for management, either via email or being printed out. This data is used for many things but mostly for revenue management, particularly for what is called forecasting. Forecasting in the hospitality sense is using past occupancy and revenue data in order to predict or forecast future occupancy and revenue opportunities. This is partly why hotel rates fluctuate during the week, around busy times of the year, and when there is a local event happening.
I have a night audit video on my channel if you would like to see the process.
@@JayHosptiality I want to thank you and the other commenters for taking the time to answer my question in such detail. Every industry has its technical nitty-gritty that usually goes on behind the scenes (or late at night!) that customers and non-insiders never see or encounter (unless something goes wrong). I will definitely watch your video, Jay. I’m retired and unlikely to ever work in the hospitality industry, but I love learning about the details of things like this. Again, thank you very much!
I love your skit. And as someone who has worked security at a hotel, I've seen this and fired the guard. Also dated the night auditor for several years. But we never did anything at the hotel.
I know a couple of people like this, doesn't matter how quiet it is, people like this give security a bad name
My first ft job after college was working in education at a zoo. One week during summer day camp I got my photos back from being developed (film camera, it was the 90's) and there were some inappropriate selfies taken by a man i didnt know. I'd left the camera in our classroom. Turns out it was a guy who worked for the night cleaning company. It was so embarrassing having to tell my boss, and then the operations manager about the photos. But because we did different activities with the kids each day, we could identify which night his pics were taken and he was fired.
I'm so glad the person who printed my photos didnt flip through before handing them to me.
They probably did. The person doing the processing did too. Actually looking at the pictures is part of assuring quality. Some photo labs did not return inappropriate pictures. The people working at labs that did not sensor had already seen just about everything. They did not care.
@@markhorton3994 it was a machine processing them, run by the same person who handed me the envelope of photos. Not a separate person in a darkroom.
I worked print processing. Yes we look to ensure quality I've seen a lot. Beer bottles were they shouldn't be and big bows only there in front of the Xmas tree.
I wonder what kind of movies that he was watching? Does the room need a "thorough" cleaning?
Yeah it was porn. What else? Certainly not Disney or Hallmark movies!!
@dovie2blue I mean it could have been 😮 some people are creeps 😬
@@dovie2blue Honestly it depends. Coulda been pron, but if he was just doing it to kill time on his shift it might have been actual movies. Third shift sucks when 95% of your job is boring and you have nothing to do but whatever a security guard at night in a hotel does for his shift. I hated it when I worked third because I tended to be a hard worker so id run out of stuff to do a couple hours early and thats when the exhaustion starts staggering you. I wish I could have watched a movie while pausing from time to time to do whatever little bit of work had built up in the meantime.
No one should be left to the crazies in the middle of the night, without security....especially a young woman!
Ha, knew it was him. Housekeeping doesn't usually have that kind of time
And it was in the video title...
@@zydration3538 🤣 you're right, guess who apparently wasn't paying attention 🤔
Must be nice to have security. I work as a night auditor, and I'm the only employee on the property for 98% of my shift.
I had a similar experience.
I used to work at a senior’s home, and during night shift I was the only one on duty, there was no other employee other than me.
These businesses are always finding loopholes, this honestly shouldn’t even be legal. And I never understood how it was, how it STILL is in some places.
It’s infuriating.
Security is an important job. While on the cl9ck, they have a duty to protect. That is one job you CANNOT slack off on.
As a fellow security Professional, I couldn't agree more. People like this jerk give all us security Professionals a bad name. It irks me to no end when I hear about these things. And what's worse is this really happened. Not just a skit. 🤬
I never worked as security, but I really don't think we can expect security to be on patrol for the entirety of the 8 hours. They pretty much _must_ slack off to be able to stay alert the entire time, and while doing so some non-intrusive (as in doesn't stop them from answering the communications, rushing to incidents, or overall having _some_ situational awareness) form of entertainment is almost required to keep them engaged, awake and alert.
Some boring movies is almost perfect for that, or ideally even having them rest adjecent to other night-staff like the receptionist with communication being both said entertainment, and naturally phases to them being on guard when a customer arrives to interact with the receptionist.
Or do you truly walk around the entire time? Even if you did, does that not cause other issues like disturbing guests that you pass by their door every 10-15 minutes? or having no way to communicate/reach/find you if the portable piece of communication stops working for whatever reason?
@@feha92
Never been a security Professional at a hotel so I can't say anything about a hotel.
But I am a guard at a strip mall with a medium sized parking lot. And we do have people who work 8 hour shifts alone. Like I work midnight-8am alone. So no breaks myself. We must be on guard the whole 8 hours. The ONLY time we leave our "posts" is if we are gassing up the car. Other than that, we have to stay on alert 24/7 while on shift. We can watch something on our personal phones, as long as it does not distract us from doing our job.
Now, I am thinking that the issue was that they were watching TV in a hotel room. For free and hiding it. Had they paid for the view or watched on their own device, that might be different. Or I could be wrong.
But if you are a guard (especially if alone) you must be alert at all times. No goofing off while working.
Let me ask you something;
If the guard was off in the room watching TV and something happened in one of the rooms, what would happen? The guard COULD be held accountable for the action since he was goofing off. Now, if he was busy elsewhere, that's a different story.
@@feha92 Except doing something like Watching movies in a hotel room that would completely impede your ability to do your job properly is very different than taking your rest somewhere where you can still know if something is going down. There's taking a break to keep yourself in top form, and then there's slacking off.
@@feha92you definitely didn't have to announce that you've never worked for security. This isn't resting to stay alert (for the 8 - qw hour shift they chose to accept) which isn't a tall order by any imaginable stretch. Then there's the fact that you might as well not be there at all if nobody can find you.
I work hospitality, front desk at a Shmampton that's actually GOOD, and by God every lyric this lady is singing comes from the Book of Truth.
Arguably, that security guard helped find a flaw in the system that allows it to charge to an unoccupied room. Meaning either the system allows you enter any room number to charge it to and just accepts it's occupied and you are authorised to charge to that room number, or the system is letting people charge things to a room that has no credit card on file.
Both of those are major problems that you need to address.
😢 looks like that fictitious guy is gonna have to find a new line of work. Perhaps something in fast food.
Wouldn't the keycard logs show who entered the room before the movies were rented?
Could you do a video about housekeeping. When housekeeping gets melodramatic. Demanding and dysfunctional? Asking for a friend lol
You think that's bad, how about a bellman using empty rooms to "entertain" older ladies for money? This happened many years ago where I worked. The rooms were always marked clean, but not yet inspected. However, upon inspection they weren't clean at all. Housekeeping vouched for their work, so a lock audit was performed, and it traced back to the bellman's master key. So they observed him until he was seen entering a room with his master key, accompanied by a mature woman (he was a young guy).
He admitted he was making money with this venture and was quietly let go. Very quietly, as many of his "friends" were wealthy, married women, and the management didn't want a massive scandal to blow up! This was an exclusive, private resort and not the sort of place you'd expect those sort of shenanigans!
So the issue is that they cleaned the rooms too early and/or did not have a good system for letting staff know which rooms were free for activities and which wasn't? Nor any staff-only areas that didn't need as much cleaning, for them to take their breaks in?
Because exclusive and private means nothing. The fact that you still didn't figure that out after this is a little sad. But awesome work continuing to allow the behavior rather than making waves for the elites.
An " exclusive, private resort " is exactly the place I would expect I'd expect such shenanigans (and worse) to happen. You seem to be implying that elites are somehow better than us. Have you watched the news. The old money people tend to be a little odd, while many of the new money people are white trash with a lot of money. They both tend to be condescending and patronizing to normal people.
I worked in an office building that was empty all night except for the security guard. Someone got suspicious that the bed in the first aid room was being used at night and the security guard was eventually caught sleeping while on duty. They also got caught on camera upending the vending machine to steal snacks. Naturally, they were fired too.
We had a security guard that brought his girlfriend to use a vacant room to … “hang out” with her and we caught him and fired him sooo quickly 😂
Heh I worked as a delivery driver for mechanic/auto dealer store and was told the last guy got fired for fudging his drive times so he could, yep, go visit his girlfriend and "hang out" a little.
This doesn’t happen to just security guards. One of our managers routinely had his wife come to the hotel for sex. One of our house keepers would frequently having sex with guest all night. She worked the day shift and was seen by the managers wife leaving a guests room all rumpled up. We had men calling after she was fired asking when would be on duty. He said he had such a good time on his last stay and was hoping to repeat the experience.
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Let me add some cream and sugar to your tea. You’re hilarious and helped me feel safe about hotels. I also have a question: is it common for people to request to see the safety plan or search the room? I am a very nervous traveler and any tips to keep myself safe would be appreciated
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Same thing, I don't know how many security guards I've gotten fired just in the last 7 yrs. Due to the fact I would catch them sleeping in their car. Having the girlfriend/wife with them and saying she's here to keep me awake, wink, wink. Or smoking 420 while on shift or having inappropriate relations with female guest/workers. I've seen it all...
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Lock interrogations. You can track which key opened the door and tines.
Black listing is a very bad thing to do. It can have actionable consequences.
I doubt that Natalie was using the term 'blacklisting' in its legal definition sense, but more in the colloquial sense of spreading the word about someone who is unfit for the job. This would be very hard to make actionable in the US, due to the 1st Amendment. Basically, if the employer is telling the truth, they have a LOT of protection against legal action. Most employers will confine them to "Dates, Position, Pay", because they don't want to deal with the possibility of being sued for defamation (and because defending yourself in such a suit would cost almost as much as the judgement, anyway, especially if such suits were made commonplace). However, if the employer wants to withstand that risk (here, the potential downside of being associated with that employee was seen as sufficient reason by their employer), then they are free to go around and say, "We just let this guy go, for this reason."
@@soren3569 what he did IS the legal definition of blacklisting. Some speech is not protected by the first amendment. When an attempt is being made to bar employment that is not protected speech. Now if the former employee is told at a job interview, "We heard from your former employer what you did", yeah that is actionable. Those things are to be kept confidential. The former employee has a reasonable expectation of confidentiality.
@@terrypold You're going to have to cite a law on the books that specifies that, then, because, as I said, every time I was looking for one, they always include an exception for honest reports of job performance. Furthermore, while the ex-employer did more by going around prior to being asked, there was no actual agreement on the part of the other owners that they would not hire this guy (such an agreement, formal or informal, is a key part of the definition of blacklisting); they may come to that decision independently, based on the facts presented, but again, that's within their right.
Hell, only 29 states have ANY form of blacklisting law on the books, so it could be a complete non-starter in the original poster's case.
@@soren3569 have you never heard of Joe McCarthy? You're defending blacklisting?
@@terrypold I will defend letting others in similar trades know that someone is unfit for that trade and actively steals from contracted companies.
Stop defending bad employees.
Carry concealed. I used to be an armed security guard. I hate portland and seattle. Needles everywhere.
And a gun will help with needles by...?
@zydration3538 I was armed security for apartments and hotels in Portland. They made up the bulk of our clientele. Portland police were ordered by the mayor to stop protecting private property rights. So they hired us to keep the meth heads off their property. Portland and Seattle are shitholes. Anti-gun, communist shitholes that decriminalized drugs and trespassing.
I'm saying the staff should be armed to protect themselves. Especially since most hotel security guards are unarmed. Unarmed security is the dumbest thing ever. Anyone in uniform is usually the first target.
Those needles were left there by some rather unsavory individuals.
@@andrewpena9041 ah so you were just looking to segue into whatever irrelevant nonsense you decided you needed to complain about today. Congratulations, you succeeded admirably. I'll be going back to the actual on topic discussions that have some logical flow to them though.
I was a security officer in a hospital for about 25 years and I can strongly urge you from experience to only staff your security in-house. A contractor will never be as dedicated TO YOU as your own employee will.
Talk about the security guy not doing his job. What about these reception staff gas bagging (gossiping) instead of doing their job serving guests
First off, security guard is much different than a reception staff. The guard must be ON ALERT at ALL TIMES no matter what. Even if no one is there, the guard must always be watching the post. Secondly, when they are gossiping, there isn't anyone there. And if there is someone at the desk they are quiet and help the customer. But this is overnight when they are talking. So most guests are probably sleeping or at least in their rooms when these ladies are talking.
This coming from a security Professional myself. An overnight security Professional at a strip mall.
@@kathleenc8thank you for clearing that up for me. I’ve only been working in hospitality since 1994 😉
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Had no way to know what you do for a living. And when I see a question, I take it at face value and presume that the person is serious about the question. And answer to the best of my ability. 😉
Talking to each other in the lobby, where they would immediately see anything that would come up requiring the attention of their job.
Watching a movie in a closed room, whether nobody can find you should something come up and you won't see when issues require immediate attention.
Conflating the two is as stupid as inventing a job history after receiving response to service one's point. This requiring explanation is frankly sad.
Wouldn't he be back to kill the girl who got him caught and in his mind 'ruined his life'? I mean that's kinda all we see on the news these days.
"All" you see, really?
Revenge based murder wasn't invented in recent years, btw.
@@zydration3538 people weren't so crazy in the old times. Not saying that revenge wasn't a thing at all back then too. But the stressful environment of present times can easily break the spirit of many and make them do ugly things. Added to this the loneliness of today's digital era.
@@shrutiiyyer2783 your nostalgia goggles are impairing your view.
Based on a true story.
Natalia is very definitely the prettiest of the hotel staff. 🥰
Yeah like sexurity guards need to be there for safety reasons anything bad can happen while he is watching those movies
So I understand why people would want to blacklist this guy, but in my state that is illegal. Can't give a bad review if a reference is asked for, can only confirm or denied they worked there. And frankly, firing is enough. He either learned his lesson, or he didn't, but taking a person's livelihood away for a really stupid mistake is horrible.
Well, he can still earn a livelihood. Just not in hotel security. If he slacks off watching movies instead of working, then he shouldn't be in that kind of job. Security is a serious business, it's not some teenager slacking off from flipping burgers at McDonald's to watch TikTok.
@@OptimumTaurus I get that. But, there is no room for learning from your mistakes by this logic
@jaded1977 Mistakes are one thing. This is habitual negligent shirking of duties, for someone whose job it is to keep people safe. The world needs more empathy, but not for a security officer watching movies instead of doing his job. For the sake of the clientele of that hotel and every hotel in the area, it is better he is blackballed. He should not be responsible for anybody's safety. He can take other jobs.
Do you *really* believe he deserves another chance to put people in danger after he's shown a clear pattern of negligence at his security job? I applaud your sense of empathy, but you're misapplying it here. Show empathy for someone who isn't potentially putting people in danger.
@@OptimumTaurus again, I get it. BUT, based on this story, he was caught once, and reprimanded. That rightly included firing. Don't know if he did it before or not based on the story. So, just taking what we do know, he was punished for life for a very stupid bit of laziness. Again, I do not agree with him at all, but I also understand the laws in my state and agree with them. People have a right to grow and learn from being fired, instead of being punished for life.
@@jaded1977 Uhh, based on the story, this was not a one-time thing. That's why I called it a "habitual negligent shirking of duties" . He'd done this at least three or four times. Maybe even more as the movies he paid back were a "sizeable chunk" of his check.
I'm sorry, your empathy is *grossly* misdirected. We are talking about safety of hotel guests. People go to hotels sometimes to avoid dangerous situations like stalking and the like. Single businesswomen stay at hotels alone and depend upon hotel security to be doing their jobs. A lazy, habitually negligent security guard is not something to gloss over the way you're doing.
And please, stop acting like hotel security is the only job this person could ever do and he has no options beyond it. It's insulting. I never said he can't ever have any job ever-- he just should not be in any position of security if he's prone to screwing off at his job. The number of people potentially protected by him never doing security again is worth much more than this one guy's "growth and learning" from something he knows he shouldn't have been doing. Sorry. Check your empathy. It's going to get someone hurt.
2:38 I was on board till blacklisting him with every other place in the area. WTF? How is a punishment supposed to be correcting if you just end any attempt at that. For stealing a few movies? Is what he did wrong? Totally, he should pay for what he stole and be fired for not doing his job, but going out and running around telling on this guy seems a bit extreme.
Um, yeah. Stealing when you're security is wrong. Not sure how that's a question. Punishment is not for correcting behavior once you're an adult who should know that stealing is wrong.
Correctional facilities are for correcting behavior, but that would mean sending the guy to jail for theft, giving him a criminal record that would absolutely disqualify him from working security.
I saw this story in 'shorts' but wasnt able to comment..... anyhow... how much does a film cost the hotel? i mean, we all know the mega-inflated prices that hotels charge, but - really - how much does it cost. the hotel subscribes to a streaming service, I presume - and the cost of an individual film on that service much be a cent (if not fractions of a cent).
I wont sympathize with the guard too much, because he was stealing time..... but a film or two? It probably cost more to train a new guard than to foot the cost of a thousand films
Basically, this story was actually posted by someone else on r/Talesfromthefrontdesk. The actual incident happened back in the late 80s early 90s if i can recall correctly when the security guards wage was only about $12 an hour and the movies each were about $8 so back then it really was “a sizeable chunk of his paycheque”
@@Harijukai in the 80's/90's the videos would have been on VHS... no such thing as streaming back then... the question is still 'how much would a film cost THE HOTEL (not how much it would cost a guest) - with a video, the film would be a 'sunk cost' - so the cost to the hotel would already be paid and whether it was viewed by one guest or 100 guests (and a security guard) the cost TO THE HOTEL would be the same
@@cosine8arctan Pay-per-view was absolutely a thing in the 80s and 90s, buddy. People weren't ordering VHS tapes to their room 🤣
@@squallloire ok, so he was watching blocked channels. you didn't get to choose what to watch, just whatever is being broadcast (generally some sort of porn)
If you want to be picky, then Pay per view is something completely different - generally referring to a event, concert or newly released film. It was broadcast at a set time and you only had access during the time of the event/concert/whatever
@@cosine8arctan Hotels in the 80s and 90s absolutely had a menu of options you could watch, pretty much at any time (Comcast also had a similar option on regular cable, by the way--it wasn't just the 'blocked' channels, but specific offerings were available). You picked the offering you wanted with the remote; if it was a premium selection, then the hotel would charge it to the room.
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Although the security guard was a total moron, most countries do not legally allow blacklists. - In the USA, and the UK as examples, this is definitely illegal ( very rare exceptions i.e. government sensitive classified work).
However it is still a funny sketch.
Legal or not, there are plenty of informal blacklists. Somehow potential employers all find out if someone is a thief, a creep, unreliable, or otherwise has a bad rep.
@@cedarwaxwing3509Good
It's done in the USA- it's illegal for government jobs but not private sector jobs. I know friends who are blacklisted from their respective jobs because of the blacklist.
Yep.@@cedarwaxwing3509
I was miss-informed, a friend with some legal training said the US had no legal blacklists, never mind.@@runawayteacher1
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@@RansonIgnacio you mentioned nothing to do with what was shown in this video, so I went ahead and followed suit.
Is that in my writing?
Or are you lying?
@@RansonIgnacio your comment had nothing to do with what was shown in the video.
My comment, following this trend that you started, also had nothing to do with what was shown in the video.
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Just because someone is talking about firewood doesn't mean they want to burn an entire forest.
Except for the numerous upon numerous female characters that misbehave in her skits, present since the first one?
@@zydration3538 And the poor dude being stalked by his crazy ex girlfriend.
It’s just wonderful to get someone fired AND make sure they can’t get a new job in their industry! That jerk is probably homeless now! Great job!
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You know people arent trapped in a single field for their entire lives right? Like, he is a security guard, therefore he cant apply to jobs as a truck driver, or a night stocker at a grocery store, or work for a general contractor to pick up some crafting skills. He is in fact allowed to move to a different field of work. It sucks but he is clearly unsuited for it. Im a truck driver. If I decide I dont want to wear my glasses anymore then i deserve to be blacklisted from all trucking companies because im putting myself and everyone around me at risk. Doesnt mean I cant work elsewhere, just not driving.
@@chrishubbard64 Obviously it doesn’t mean he can’t get a job doing something else. I still think the response was a bit over the top.
@@UpperDarbyDetailing The thing is, its one thing to be fired for messing up, say he fell asleep and got fired, that doesnt mean you dont deserve to ever work in the field again. But to deliberately behave in such a way that is the exact opposite of your job and endanger lives? You dont really deserve a second chance.
Would you want to give a second chance, to use a more extreme example, to a cop who beat a dude into a coma rodney king style? "Eh, fire him from that department, he can go off and apply to the police in another town" No! Dude shouldnt be allowed to work in the field ever again! And yes im aware of how it actually works, im talking about how it SHOULD.
Umm, it was covered already that an employer cannot call around to other companies and have an employee "blacklisted." That is a violation of federal law. All a company can do when calling another company for an employment check is-dates said employee was with the company. When letting someone go, a company files a "rehire code" on an employee, but one company telling another about said rehire code is asking for trouble. If it's an EEOC employee doing a fake employment check and HR gives out the rehire code, prepare for massive fines.
Federal law doesn't restrict a former employer from describing your workplace behavior, as long as what they say is factually accurate. It only prevents them from disclosing that you're a member of a protected class, such as race, religion, disability, etc.
Some state laws are stricter, but even then, from what I can tell, the former employer can usually say whether or not you're eligible for rehire. Some companies might also have stricter policies, but that's just an abundance of caution, not federal law.
Proactively going around and telling other companies not to hire you might be different, as opposed to just giving information when someone calls and asks for a reference. But again, this would be governed by state law, not federal.
@@mirandarensberger6919 You might want to double check on that before costing your company tens of thousands in fines. As a former manager I was reminded of this by my former boss, who was not an ethical person and learned some lessons herself through the school of hard knocks.
@@The_Dudester no the guys right there aren’t any federal laws restricting it but state laws can vary and can be very strict. Most employers just play it on the safe side given they often have employees and states.
I mean, it being illegal doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. But also, I did double check, and as far as I can tell, it isn't illegal. Can you point me to what section of the legal code for what state you're talking about? I believe all the states have their legal code available on the internet these days.
@@andsailedcalmlyon I've heard that both CA and FL restrict the information that can be given officially--can't cite a law or regulation offhand, or confirm for other states. Typically it's restricted to confirmation of employment between dates A and B. Possibly eligibility for rehire. Many companies have similar policies, either due to the state law(s) they operate in, or to avoid being sued for slander/libel (lawyer fees be worse than damages, even if company wins).
OTOH, if you're not talking to the company's reps directly... well, let's just say that rumors are extremely difficult to trace once they get started. I'm surprised that someone's former unethical boss isn't aware of that fact, and would be even MORE surprised if said boss hasn't employed the grapevine themselves for checking on potential employees' suitability...Without actually saying as much, because plausible deniability is a thing.
And even with the legal restrictions on what you can say, tone can make a difference. "X is _unfortunately_ not eligible to be rehired here" and "X is unfortunately _not_ eligible to be rehired here" are the same words... but if I heard the first one when asking for a reference, I'd be looking to hire the person. The second? Not sure I want to find out why.
Okay he for sure shouldn't have been going into an unoccupied room and ordering pay-per-view movies. There's no way to justify that, at all, and the employee deserves to be disciplined on top of having to pay for what they consumed.
But let me tell you, 90% of a security guard's job is just being there. Especially on night shifts, it's not unusual to find some passive entertainment to occupy you between patrols/callouts etc. - in fact it's pretty standard. The idea that people (in any job) should just stand around or "look busy" when there's actually no work to be done needs to die, imho.
Also blacklisting is potentially illegal.
If it's fitting the legal definition, then yes, blacklisting is illegal. But this case doesn't really fit that bill.
For it to be an illegal blacklist, there would need to be a mutual agreement between the employers to not hire anyone whose name is on the list. It was usually used to keep someone who was trying to organize unions from being hired, though it was also often used for purposes of discrimination against communists, socialists and homosexuals (racial and sex discrimination don't usually require lists).
In this case, though, the employer is simply reporting on the employee's misconduct to other prospective employers. It's then up to them to decide if they want to take the risk of having this guy on their payroll. While most probably would say, "Hell, no!", there may be some exceptions, most notably for lower-paid gigs where it's more about a warm body than actual 'security' (parking lot attendant, for instance).
@@soren3569 That's why I said "potentially" ;)
The employer does put themselves at risk even without crossing that line, though. There's a reason companies don't usually give bad references (opting instead to give *no* reference to a bad employee) - bad mouthing that person to other potential employers could still be actionable as slander or libel (even if true).
It's a risky move, in any case - though this is going by modern standards, and this story is apparently from 30-40 years ago.
@@squallloire Oh, yeah, the risk of a defamation suit is absolutely real. But that's a little different than it simply being 'against the law'--whcih is what a LOT of commenters, both here and on part three of the shorts, were claiming.
I suspect that a lot of mid-level managers are simply told that it's against the law to give any other information out, rather than having the company policy explained in depth, because the corporate policy is usually easier to state in simple terms.
The only options: stand without change for 8 hours or disappear for large portions of the shift.
@@squallloireslander and libel can't be done with true statements.
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@Xrehhi-backup no i was the 6th comment
@Xrehhi-backup yk there are ppl who post smth at the same time
@Xrehhi-backup also it wouldn't even be that big of a deal youre just mad for nothing
@Xrehhi-backup I didn't offend me just I'm confused why you made such a big deal out of it
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I don't understand what's so wrong about it?
A security guard is meant to be doing their very important job of guarding the hotel and making sure the guests and even other employers are safe. In the time he is watching a movie, many things like break-ins into a room, assault, robberies, etc. could happen and could have been prevented had he been doing his job. Plus, he is taking advantage of what the hotel offers to guests for completely free and without being a guest
@@neeren777 Right, but suppose some criminal broke in to that very room! The security guard would be in the right place. OK, he would probably want to wait for a pause in the movie action before dealing with the break-in but still.
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Not doing his job?
Stealing?
I don't understand how someone who needs this explained is allowed unmonitored Internet use.
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