PROGRESS REPORT | SOUTHERN HEMIPSHERE | New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Argentina
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- What have we learned from the first few weeks of the international season for the 4 big Rugby Championship sides? What questions are left unanswered? What solutions are needed most quickly? Plenty to discuss...
Had the great pleasure of meeting Tim exactly one week ago in The George bar in Umhlanga the night before the second Ireland 🇮🇪 vs Springboks 🇿🇦 test in Durban.
What a good oke! Down-to-earth, friendly, warm, sporting, knowledgeable - just as in the videos on this channel!
100% agree with you - we perform better being the underdogs!! Love your channel and very glad you enjoyed our beautiful country!!
Keep hearing this comment,but how are SA underdogs ? A settled team with the most depth of any nation up v a team that has to be rebuilt from the ground up after the Foster yrs.And with chronic weaknesses in multiple positions.
Anything less than a clean up of the RC wiull be a failure for SA.
Speaking on the AB's and South african support in Cape Town... there's always been that split because of racial issues from the past and more recently its genuinely just awe in how they play. I got 4 tickets and we're split down the middle, 2 All Black fans and 2 South Africans.... 7 WEEKS TO GO!!!!🔥🔥
IT'S PURELY DUMFOUNDED RACISM
When I watched SA thrashed NZ in Twickenham last year, I thought that it was, finally, the beginning of them going from World Cup winner to a truly dominant team - like NZ in 2011-2015. Then they got tight at the World Cup, lost to Ireland, for my money made some big tactical errors against England in the rain in the semi (it should never have been that close), then almost lost to 14-man NZ.
That NZ team could only seem to be beaten if you played really well, came up with some unique tactical answers, they had some injuries, and they had a bit of an off day. The stars almost had to align. SA have the potential to be those guys too. They have the coaching staff and more than twice as many quality players required to do it. For me they have to be targeting an undefeated Rugby Championship campaign. They should proudly own that as their standard, because they have that potential.
That match against the ABs at Twickenham was a money spinner and had nothing riding on it. It sounds niave of you to think it was a signal for greater things to come. A series of 1 point wins doesn't cut the mustard in my books, especially against a 14-man side. SA need to back up their trophy. The loss against Ireland at home last weekend does not bode well in terms of credibility stakes.
I think it's great that all tiers of rugby get acknowledged. That way we grow the game. This weekend the World Champions have graciously agreed to a test match against Portugal. This is good for the game!!
It's important to include 2nd and 3rd tier nations like Portugal and Ireland.
Ireland? 😂😂😂😂
I mean, it was nice they included SA as well.
@@trininair1005😂😂😂😂😂Disrespectful
I agree it's good to see but I do think that it should have been a 3 match series and portugal next week
@@Jesus_is_Lord_316 just read that last bit 😆 🤣 😂 😹 funny as bro
Fully agree mate. Hope you enjoyed your time in SA and please keep up the good work. 🙏🏽
We LOVE to be underdogs, you are quite correct.
Great show Tim. I think that rugby is in a good space right now. There is so little to choose from between the top 5 or 6 countries and even the teams lower down in the rankings can hold their own. I'm a Bok fan but hats off to Ireland last week - they were phenomenal. Their supporters here in South Africa were great too. Pity it was not a 3 match series.
You hit the nail on the head Tim. When the Bokke are looked down upon they are ferocious. Still playing home games is big and I don’t think the boys need much encouragement when on home soil. Not when there is a long line of talent ready to snatch that jersey off their backs. I am looking forward to AM playing this weekend.
Spot on Tim. We perform much better when we are the underdogs
Howzit Tim. Always waiting for your insights💚💛🇿🇦
Agree 100 per cent! Boks are at their best as underdogs and when written off before games.
I don’t think anyone considers them underdogs 😂 like anyone
@@SmcdMcd-d2k we always hear it though.It screams victim mentality.I mean seriously,how a country with their resources can ever be the underdogs baffles me.
we love it. looking forward to your south african safari videos. go the all blacks.
We can't wait for the ABs to come to SA. Us SAFFAS go mental when playing the All Blacks in a test. In the Rugby year that two tests are our ultimate in rugby. A pity we don't know all the names as we don't play Super Rugby anymore. I do think Dalton is world class and Beauden Barrett is getting better like a good wine or 🐑 s wool 😂😂in NZ terms. The guy should get a statue and play 10. He is one of the best rugby players ever including Carter. May the best team win.
We have some locks in the pipeline. Darry (203cm) playing this weekend. Lord (204cm) injured and next year a Dutchman Fabian Holland (205cm) Halfback could well be Roigard with Ratima and Hotham as backup. Centre should be ALB or Proctor who’s playing this weekend.
VERY interested to see the centre pairing go! Appreciate the lock intel
Exactly right
I'd chuck AJ Lam in the mix for next year.
2.04m Pari Pari Parkinson too bro hasn't had a full campaign for sometime but was highly regarded as future Ab just injuries have hampered his career!
@@Saiyan4evaI thought he went offshore? Edit: Checked and he’s playing in Japan from 2025.
Good observation, Tim. Saffas love the 'I'll show you' thing.
Hold my beer
As far as the greatest team of all time question goes, I think consistency between world cups is less important for the Boks than achieving the threepeat. Lets face it, you have to win back to back just to have the opportunity to attempt it, the team that manages that feat will unquestionably earn the label of GOAT!
In order to win three on the bounce, I imagine it will be necessary to have two full teams of world cup worthy talent, and this will only be possible if many players are given the opportunity over the next three years.
GOAT? The stats tell it all. World cups happen every 4 years, what matters is the win ratio between teams over time.
@@listeningto8371 I think you are right. The world cup is only a tournament at the end of the day.. From what i know the AB's have won way more Rugby championships than SA and a way more superior win loss record than SA in fact of all the teams. They went througha rebuild phase in the late 90's ...This is another one of those phases just like the Boks went through before Rassie.
RWC is only every 4 years and many results could have gone either way. 1995 was dodgy, 2023 was ruined by world rugby , 2019 SA lost to NZ, 2011 NZ choked again but held on.
Great teams don’t go on holiday for four years.
You never hear All Black team complain about how long the season is.
We never complain about our players been too tired.
Difference is the All Blacks want to win every game.Every game is important to us.
@Shamankzn Check the numbers and you will find out who is the goat lol
105 test matches between SA vs ABs
Well done on the single cut as always! (Love the candour at the end - integrity!)
Thanks, Eggmaster love your work
You 100% correct about the underdogs things. Well done 👏
Wonderful objective insight, Tim. Thanks for this.👍🏼
7:22 spot on.. Safers love being the underdog.. Addicted to the feeling of proving everyone else wrong.. I don't see the boks going 90% between world cups but winning 3RWCs on the trot would seal this bok setup being the best dynasty seen in world rugby
Spot on Tim, we thrive on being the underdogs
Wild underdogs! 😆
Los Pumas played Uruguay. Looking forward to the Rugby Championship! Saludos!
Love the content 🎉… see you for the Lions Tour … in SA
100% agree about SA. We might have depth, but it is not always a good thing come selection time. On paper they might look ok, but who knows who will mentally fire on the day. You can only coach so much into a player, the rest should come from within.
Enjoy your views. Keep it up!
I've been a fan of egg chasers for a while now, I must you're neutrality is refreshing. Many creators tend to be biased, but one can see you put your love of rugby above your love for a particular team
Thank you
Great analysis - ABs will get better when Will Jordan is back at 15. We also need Cam Roigard back - he was great at the WC and I feel he’s fast off the deck at 9
- Mounga and Frizzel to return I’m picking, both young
Roigard is quite a "scrummie" as we call half-backs in South Africa.
@@revenant2979 thats a great name, scrummie - I'm going to use it!
Will Jordan back at 15? has he even played in that position for the ABs? He's a turnstile at wing.
Hi Tim, awesome videos as always. We do not always give credit to the medical staff and as a SA supporter, hats-off to our medical team. With their commitment and motivation to get players back into the game allow great coaches like Rassie to have options during team selections. Injury and recovery plays a huge role in rugby.
Love youre channel tim would love to visit south africa one day too
World champions cant really be underdogs.
I agree with the underdog mentality of South Africa... We need to work on that. On NZ, it doesnt look like Scott has plans in terms of how to get around the rush defense unless he is holding back untill the JHB and CT games. Eng had them on the ropes and figured out for a long time...NZ's next game against smart opposition will be telling. Aus looks good, but they have a long way to go still... if they stay disciplined they will be dangerous.
You can’t take anything out of NZs 2 games about how Razor wants them to play. He said it after the second test - that what they’re doing in training isn’t showing on the field yet. It’s new to the players and we probably won’t really see a noticeable change until it starts bedding in midway through the international season.
Exactly that rush defence is a big problem game 2 looked worse than the first one they have got to speed it up and stop dropping the friggin ball lol hard to watch
Might have to bring back fozzy 😂
South Africa should (since they are World Champs) be winning consistently. They will wear favourite title due to being current World Cup winners. You can’t be the underdogs if you’ve just won the 2023 World Cup.
ABs go into Rugby Championship as underdogs 🖤
But do they win consistently??
@@MarianNugent-w6m Look at TRC record.
NZL - 20…….SA - 4
NZL win record throughout years is outstanding and you are a fool if you say otherwise.
But hey….NZL will sit back and be the underdogs to the World Champs for next 4 years
South Africa should be winning and should be favourites
@HeeniKeke it takes a fool to recognise another fool😅
The All Blacks are the current Rugby Championship winners, the World Cup is irrelevant.
I'm sure a boks fan would not agree with you.
As usual... thanks for a great show.
2 things. 1 i wondering if the bok management is not as cohesive as it should be.
2 SA have great players but am thinking their age is catching up judging by how many are currently injured.
I think the boks are going to perform in overdrive tomorrow. Even though it's VS Portugal, think they new boys are going to play their socks off to impress the selectors.
Good stuff (as usual) Tim. See you in Jhb on Sept 1st!
Biggest issue currently with the Boks is at scrumhalf and flyhalf. FAF is well below par and needs to be dropped and we need a general at flyhalf. My choices - Reinach at 9, sub Williams, Feinberg-Mngomezulu at 10, sub Libbok. In saying that, younger players need to be groomed and Saturday is a perfect opportunity for younger players to stick up their hands.
It was so good to see England come out to NZ with a good mindset and play some great footy, both games could have gone either way also! South Africa should never be looked upon as underdogs, they love the game as much as we do, and they believe as we do, that they are the best rugby nation on the planet, we will see how we are tracking in August!!
Ireland atm and probably going into the foreseeable future are like NZ, unlikely to lose twice in a row and I think SA too. SA has never felt comfortable being No1 on the board but being so far ahead of NZ they might hold that spot for a while. I just hope the 7 debutants get a good run against Portugal and these recent injures prove to be a blessing in dusguise for the Boks.
Ireland will never be like NZ 😆 🤣 ..NZ 76% win rate ..Ireland 48% ...
Ireland is way behind NZ and SA,stop being fooled by international breaks where NZ and SA experiment with new players and new system where as Ireland bring their best players,which is why when te world cup comes you see a different NZ and SA performance
@BongieBala That's not the point, we look at teams success against other teams as they are, regardless of experimenting, new coaching staff or anything else, just the results that's all.
Maybe where the SH teams are starting now is where Ireland is ending. This was afterall only the 3rd game that the Boks have been trying something different and in the future yes I'm sure all the other factors will come into play but the history records will always just show won or lost.
@michaelrooks4030 Yes overall, be a long time for anyone to catch NZ but we can still work out the best teams over a year for example.
@@groenrizla2513 true but do u have the same talent to keep going when the 3 kiwis retire 😆 🤣 😂
You're spot on, Tim, we don't like being favourites.
I think you're spot on about the underdog thing. It has been said before actually. We definitely took about 50 minutes to arrive in that second test.
Fully agree Tim. Over the past 30 years, no one can doubt that the AB's are the best team in world rugby - one reason, self-belief. The Boks could well have been up there, but not consistent enough. But, we're getting better........!
Absolutely true. NZ had massive SELF BELIEF they were the best before and during 2011-2105 and beyond and they were. SA MUST do the same WITHOUT being arrogant. Our players have always be humble and that stems from the type of human beings they are, but, BUT when you are in the situation that the Boks are now, with such depth, they MUST believe they are the best and go out there and show that. They must be ruthless against Portugal without underestimating them.
Your 100% right saffas hate being top dog
If you say so.
Yet South Africa can’t be underdogs…after all they’re the World Champs. They can’t have both
@@HeeniKekeworld champions by one point margins. Any top team can beat us anytime (and sometimes low tiered teams also - we haven't forgotten Japan). We are well aware of it.
@@SB-wh9kf That sentiment is not reflected in the mass of comments South Africans have said since the World Cup.
Enjoy wearing that favourite tag…ABs more than happy to battle “the best in the world” for each test
HeeniKeke SHUDDUP LOL
The All Black's from 2011 onwards were amazing. SA need to win more RCs in between and claim the unbeaten run record. That will establish them as goats.
But... why rebuild a winning formula? We weren't at the bottom with nothing to lose so why do it?
Being an underdog is underrated. SA is not going to over-increase the winning percentage to the next WC and I agree with that approach. They will try things, give players a chance, try different approaches, etc. They will then start emerging on the WC year, like in 2019 and like in 2023 when they closed with NZ in Twickenham with a 7-1 split. SA can prove to be the best team ever by defending the WC twice and winning the British Lions series twice and winning Rugby Championships maybe thrice.
Boks and ABs fighting for southern dominance. Wallabies and Pumas are just fighting.
Abs already have it. Better win/loss ratio against sa
Mate let's just wait until after Bledisloe Cup is over. I'm picking things will be tight.
ABs look very shaky need sort it out fast not the ABs of what we are used to seeing
Tim, when are we getting those sight seeing videos?
In terms of the AB the biggest issue is not the players - it’s what strategy/style of play Robertson wants to play, and then does he have the players to execute. Can they impose themselves on a team. For SA the issue is when to introduce new players at 9-10-12-15, have good TRC draw this year but typically flaky as hell away from the WC. Aus - essentially they need to be injury free for two years as their depth is so slim. S&C and culture is all important to overcome skill and depth decencies.
Looks like you made atleast 7k subs on the SA trip. Keep it up.
Appreciate your insights, Tim!
Fully agree on the Boks, always seem to lose energy when hey supposed to be on the ascendancy.
Take the Mbombela test against NZ, outplayed NZ , but had no energy in Ellis park the following weekend. The same thing happened During the Ireland tests.
100% with wearing the mantle as underdogs. Consider the Mbombela test a couple of years ago. Won comfortably, but lost at Ellis Park 1 week later.
Tim brought up a great point here if you win the RWC and become world champions then own it and play like it afterwards at least for a couple of years. So many teams that won it have gone on to be meh the year afterwards. The worst was probably 2004 England side who were dreadful and got given a few hidings.
Hey Tim. Howzit
You know I think you actually right. I think the Springboks don't like the favorites tag. We always want something to fight for. Having to dig deep coz it's something even with life in general we've always had to do. So ja I think you spot on
Wonder how many of the current springboks will be there for 2027.
As in that final last year many were already 31-33 years old
I was thinking that too.
Hi guys, Tim I'm an all black supporter living in RSA! The likes of Ireland and England has caught up with the southern hemisphere teams of the all blacks and the boks. Looking back to the boks vs Eng in rwc Eng lost the game only due to their scrums, a game in which everyone wrote them off and their tour of Nz was just a continuation of their improved game. Ireland on the other hand in my opinion has maxed out their playing style. All blacks going through a rebuilding phase may catch Rassie's Boks with a slightly older team with a few players on the older side of 33..yrs. Aus going through a generation without being in the top 2 rugby nations , I don't think that their talent pool is not quite there yet, let's hope that God Almighty Bless Aus with 1 or 2 greats around which they can build a good team like players of the past with likes of the great John Eales and George Greagan ! The Pumas to little rugby players to be consistent. Huge fan of Kwagga Smith 1 of the unsung heroes of the boks fantastic and consistent game after game. Cheers guys. Lee
@@Lee-bh2ut did the Irish max out last Saturday playing the most experienced SA side ever with half their side in SA own back yard. 12 years since you beat Ireland in Ireland Ireland also winning the last 5 games 4/1 , maxed out 🤣 another butt hurt whining saffa it hurts but will only last a few years 🤣
@@davidwalker2402 Hey, easy boet.
New Zealands 9 jersey will be hottely contested between Ratima, Hotham, and Roigard when he returns. I don't think Christie is fast enough between rucks for the pace of test footy.
The bigger concern is at 10, how quickly will Mo'unga return, and will there be a young contender that comes through with Burke having signed gor Saracens. McKenzie will continue in the mean time.
Is ln't Dmac a more-than-solid player? Each time I see him I feel like he splits defences apart.
Mc Kenzie is doing great 👍
South Africans have been complaining for a long time about the Boks only playing their best rugby when they have their backs against the wall. Not sure how Rassie will solve this issue.
You are right about our mindset preferring to be underdogs. We are not confident champions. Having said that the juggernaoghts was rolling in the 2nd half of the 2nd test. If not for 2 top class drop goals that game was won.
Early days. Looking forward to the next RWC!
So hoping to be at Ellis Park also
Looking forward to welcoming you back to SA! See you at Ellis Park!
P.S. Australia play Georgia this weekend :)
World No.1 and World Champions can’t be underdogs under any circumstances. Underdogs are what the Boks were in 2018 perhaps. Right now were are far from being an underdog. We don’t like to be favourites, but we are definitely not underdogs at the moment.
So many rugby commentators keep referring to SA as "double world champions." They're not double world champions, they're 4x world champs.
Because they did the double. Semantic pedantry
South Africa enjoy being the underdog.
And that's where they belong. The ABs are the real deal and always have been. They won this WC because the ABs beat Ireland and last time because England beat the ABs. They were lucky, I'd say that they should definitely play the lotto with that luck. They will be lucky to finish 3rd in the Rugby Championship.
😅Tim you're the best ! South Africans love you !!!! ... great !!!
I think Ireland humbling South Africa will make the Boks a better team, and their fans better people. 👍
Their fans are horrible aye😂😂
Have you met Bok fans ?
Humbling? A last gasp drop goal is hardly a humbling. And I’m an ABs fan. A humbling would be getting knocked out in the quarters despite strutting around like you’d already won the thing.
But what will we do about Irish fans needing some humbling?
@@Jesus_is_Lord_316 Already. The residency laws changed. They can’t steal Kiwis and Aussies anymore. Their depth is minimal as it is.
Hi Tim, couldn’t agree more South Africans are much better as underdogs - we have never had that killer instinct that NZ have.
100% correct on the SA mindset. I hate going into any match as the favorites as I think the boys get overconfident. I think this is why we've seen over and again, the team that gets the red card actually win the match. The change in mindset of being a man down can turn a team around.
Good review
Did you manage to smuggle the biltong into the UK?
I like the underdog tag
Yet you can’t have it. You can’t be world champs and be the underdog. Suggest you pick one, as it’s impossible to wear both
@@HeeniKekeExactly! 😂😂 World Champions and World No .1 being underdogs is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
Australia v Georgia is probably who you were thinking of ... might be a good game
Maybe the All Blacks have something to prove to the rest of the rugby world, cause all you seem to talk about is South Africa and Ireland, South Africa and Ireland it's like your trying to dis the All Blacks as being nothing and that seems to be the NH mindset don't talk about the All Blacks and that will lift our teams. No team will ever beat the All Blacks record of being the winningest team in any sport in the whole world, so rugby world need to get over putting the All Blacks down I'm sorry rugby world.
Well said bro
Great series Ire v SA. Second test both sides had big moments. Ire used their 3 biggest,try and 2 drop-goals.
SA minute 25.33 Kolbe knocked on already past J Lowe, Osborne 16metres back.
Minute 41.08 K-L Arendse right through, but other backs ball watching not running into position to take a pass,walk-over try missed.
SA and Irish fans in 2nd drop-kick incident only watched on what happened on Doris side of ruck. Go andd have a look how McCarthy gave a couple of steps to block RG Snyman off. Happened close to Karl Dickson ref !!!
do you enjoy your biltong
Marks going on tour to Australia!!
Pity ya didn't land in Ireland to bring the summer with you. Been a shite few weeks down here in Munster.
It begins and ends with your number 10 for me. ABs have been blessed to have superstars one after another. Mehrtens. Carter. Richie. All Cantabrians 😀. Now we have DMac and I don’t know if he’s in that elite group. But to be fair, Richie wasn’t either for a long time. And he did miss that kick in the final.
Carter was a class apart, Mehrtens and Mounga were never a superstars, just adequate. RM not brilliant tactical kicker aside from from kick passes to winger.
Mounga nowhere near carters class
@@camwells9726 sure, but no one is or ever was.
970 points for all blacks..Old Merts wee bit more than adequate wouldn't u say bro ..if razor was abs coach instead of Foster u would of seen how gd Richie really is ..bit hard calling the shots when the fullback thinks he runs everything..it just goes to show we thought Richie would still be in abs otherwise we would off organise another young Cantab to learn of Richie ..
@@DavidSmith-yi8ou that’s true but I’d put him in a similar class to dmac to be fair , he’s closer to dmac than carter anyway
The idea SA likes being underdogs is from the Keo and Zels show (and also known by many/most South Africans for decades)
You forgot Wilco Louw
You're right! Jeez...so much talent
South Africa are tough in south Africa
Won the WC in France🤔
Only the best play at ellis park
Make a video about England U20. Coming soon.
Tim its called humbleness. When South Africa talks about who the world champions are, then you get the rhetoric of Oh there they go again, it’s all about South Africa and the Springboks again. There are some mullets that default back to that as an answer especially those that have never made a semi final in the RWC
Agreed!
Where can I watch chasing the sun 2 in UK?
Boks have a golden chance of getting a rare Rugby Championship with the new structure of the tournament. Dont know why the went away from home and away ? Sick of the ABs winning it every year?
The next upcoming world cup mark my word it will take is either New Zealand or Springbok watch the space love from Pretoria
Australia always gives South Africa a hard time in Aus. We have a very poor record there. We would lose in Aus and then beat them by 30 points 2 weeks later in SA. The AB has no problem coming over to SA and beat the Boks. Argies always a dark horse. Should be an interesting series
Its an old South African thing....we want to be underdogs...as if we quickly get bored with something and then have to break it and rebuild it. We have had this mindset for years and years.
Boks win ratio between World Cups has been 67%. So do we continue that % and then go win the third World Cup or do we push for a 90% win ratio and not win 🏆 🏆🏆. I'll take 67% and 3.
Argentina is playing Uruguay
Thank you. That's worth watching!
Did ya mention the Springboks are double world cup champions?
All Blocks 😊
👍🏻
SA is traditionally not consistent so I would guess one each against the AB's. And watch out for Aust in Oz.
Tim is definitely a closet Bok fan....I bet you he wears SA flag budgie smugglers 😂
Based on the u20s where SA and NZ and Ireland are way, way out their league vis a vis England and France, I suggest the first three mentioned would be very,very wise to tip toe around for a while and watch 2026 games...
Whenever we are favourites, I know we are going to lose. 🤦🏽♂️
abs looking to dominate.
They looking pretty ordinary at the moment
@@fu8713 lol nice try.
@@Edgycoo bud you beat the 2nd worst side in the NH after Wales, settle down. Italy are better than England at the moment. The AB are trying to compare themselves against the English side who pulled off a once off performance in the past 2/3 years to stop Ireland being the 1st back to back champs. Try not forget England lost to Scotland, a very weak France team and should have lost to Italy a few months ago. Italy have just gone and beaten Japan a lot better than the Kiwis did a year ago who needed the ref to get them over the line.
AB look very ordinary
@@mitch2924 lol england are 5th rank just below france little guy. Wales are 11th. Look how plain sight, in the open these cope plays are from you boks lol. Its hilarious. You lost to ireland. Twice out of 3 matches now lolololololol
@@Edgycoo well for a 5th rank side it lost to the 6th rank side and only beat ranks 8th and 11th by 3 points and to think they should have lost to rank 8. Get over the ranking it’s not a true reflection of how good the teams are. Haha, you battled to beat the 2nd worst side in all the tier 1 countries. Ireland and SA stand above the rest we going to win and lose against each other - the elite can’t win them all. You are quite the fool aren’t you. You lost to Ireland 2 out of 3 games last year at home, we’ve only lost 1 at home 🤣🤣🤣 and for you to think England are actually a worthy side right now