Joe, 100% agree that would be an interesting look actually, i think the Athertons bike park is obviously moulded around their unique style and good on them tbh, however "meanwhile back on the ranch" most parks cater for a broader spectrum of riding i think you would see a totally different result. Another thing that would be interesting would be cost.... what sort of prices to use the park against what sort of bike you would see..... i know this sounds nuts but i see a LOT more enduro and trails bikes on home made tracks .... Rivington is near me and has a huge amount of trails and tracks all made by local guys and gals and the aray of bike is unreal from top end trails bike to to cheap 26er DH bikes .... i guess because its a free venue everyone is willing to have a bash hence they grab what they can ..... which in all honesty is a good thing. Good comment mate
Crazy to see the differences in bike choice. For most German/Austrian/Swizz bikeparks i have been to it seems to be the dtc brands dominating. Mostly Cannyon, Propain, Commencal and YT but then again a lot of Specialized and Santa Cruz aswell.
I use my Enduro bike for almost everything, it's 180 up front and 170 rear travel. A real good compromise between Trail and DH and lets you do 'normal' riding with ease too.
I run a 170/150 enduro/all mountain setup for everything. It’s a decent compromise and lets me ride to the best of my ability while descending without risking bending my cranks or the damper rod in my fork like on my old “xc” hardtail (120mm up front on that bike)
Currently looking to buy an enduro, just want something I can hut anything amand also go to the shop. What are you all riding enduro wise and what are you riding on them. thanks
Cool video but wish the people you talked to were asked more specifically about their bikes like what they dont like or do like or what they want to upgrade/change etc!
I personally prefer a 27.5 or a mixed wheel size, having a 29er for close to 2 years, I’ve established that 29ers aren’t for me as I have gone through 6 rear wheels and managed to bend every single one of them within 2 weeks and I have ridden 27.5 bikes which I feel are easier to throw about and despite riding them just as hard if not harder than a 29er I’ve never bent a wheel so my next bike will be a 27.5
Agree... Smaller sizes are more playfull and allow you to get a better feel for whats goin on.. I get that lost unconnected feeling from 29s.. To me 29 is too big and cumbersome for anything other than knarly pointing down..
Shouldn't Saracen have been listed as a brand then? 🤔 I'm actually surprised that Canyon wasn't very present. Would be different here in the central EU bikeparks I think.
Interesting, I live in NZ where there are plenty of bike parks and you don't see that many downhill bikes at all, most people ride trail or enduro bikes, personally I ride a 120mm 29er, and it handles the bike parks just fine, in fact I don't think I'm any slower on it than I was on my previous bike, a trek slash.
Dyfi's definitely on the more extreme end of bike parks here in the UK so you definitely see a lot more DH bikes compared to a more rounded bike park like bike park Wales
Reason for fewer YT’s is their supply issues to the UK. Was looking to upgrade my 2018 Capra to a 2022/23 one but no stock anywhere. Ended up going for a nukeproof instead so makes sense with your results!
That's my lime green Whyte 150mm 29"er at 00:07-00:10 hanging on the bike rack. I rode that in the morning & demoed the Atherton DH bike in the afternoon. I couldn't really say which was more fun because the demo bike was Dan Atherton's & as well as his bike being a size too big for me his pro suspension set up didn't work for (amateur) me at all, but was still fantastic to try it out!
I really enjoyed that, you could have made it a 20/30 min vid. Spec comparison was cool. I was wondering if you would get a massive difference in data from different parks like FJs or Dirt Farm type places where 27.5 and 26 might be higher percentage 🤷♂️
In Germany its Enduro. I think it is because Most ppl can use a Enduro Bike to Ride local trails without a lift or Shuttle. But iam still on my Dh Bike. Love it.
Raced DH for years. Never on a DH bike🧐. 2021 National DH championship winter park DH 2nd place on my Ripley. (60-64) class. I need to try me a proper DH bike. Happy Trails
It is a small Finnish brand so it is not so widely known. Like the idea of fully CNC machined frame as it is probably more long lasting than welded one and high pivot design is also nice but otherwise seems that they try to do a bit too much on a different way than other brands. Pricing is also really high compared to other brand, which is obvious due to unique frame and small production numbers.
I am lucky enough to have a DH bike for park and enduro/trail bike for everything else, some people just ride the bike they have as they cant justify the cost, as long as they ride and enjoy it, who cares!!!
I just bought my first bike i got a Rockhopper comp. Im just starting out i did not want to invest a whole lot till i build my skills up and make sure i want to stick with it. I been having a blast i cam def see myself getting a much nicer bike in the future once i get better. Though i am jelly of everyones cool bikes.
Awesome Bike, congratulation! It's always better to be a little under-biked instead of over-biked the entire time. You will become a way-better biker if you start on a hart-tail. You can do a-lot with that bike, (maybe with a ground control t7 front, fast trak t7 rear). And when you go on a bike just rent a Enduro with all that money saved ( Specialized had some amazing bike deal recently). Or take your bike and pick the lines that work for you 😊. Cheers from Switzerland
This was interesting! Especially for me wo is planing to build a enduro or DH bike since I have a hardtail and trailbike with 160mm. I had bet that there where more mullet bikes and the second most travel would be between 170-180mm
"lots of e-bikes, guys coming across from motocross" that's what I think as well, e-bikes are like little motorcycles, what feels like an entirely new type of vehicle. except less loud, which is so much nicer in the forest.
It does not look to me, like people are choosing DH bikes. The DH bikes are groupped to 200+, don't know actually if there is a big percentage of over 200 bikes. But if you consider Enduro to 150-170 mm range, it seems like a winner.
I want to upgrade from my Ti 100 mm hardtail to a fully soon. A XC on the trail side of the spectrum or Trail bike on the XC side. 120+ mm so much to choose from, dizzying
Compared to other brands Trek's and Specialized's warranty and customer service are on another level which might also be a reason. Heard that Santa cruz is pretty much at the same level but don't know personally anyone who owns Santa Cruz at the moment.
I think enduro bikes are perfect in betweener trail and dh....once you are in the 150mm - 180mm travel range i consider that enduro and thus capable of doing jums and steep track, yet able to climb well depending on the bike ... For instance my giant x trance climbs really well, is fast and can handle bumps and jumps at 160mm well
so it depends from country to country if you come to Europe approx. Germany, Austria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc. 70% of the bikes are Canyon 30% are the others, while Specialized is among the last,😂
@@mjor6406funny you say that, I was saying to friends how you never see Kona bikes in UK or Europe anymore. You used to see loads when we were young. Good to hear they're still going strong!
My bike is a Rocky Mountain slayer which is a frame designed for dh and enduro freeride and so I have a mix of the 2 builds 200mm front 180mm rear with enduro drivetrain I don’t ride there but the 2 closest parks r Rocky and full of shale
Hello! I'm new to mountain biking, but I've got a big problem, I don't know what bike to get. I'm going to be hitting the bike park hard, with some aggressive riding. So, I need a bike that can handle that kind of action and can grow with me as I get better. It doesn't have to be super fancy or brand new, and I've got a budget of less than 4k. Got any suggestions or offers? Hit me up
folk coming over from motocross choosing eMTBs does not really surprise me, but that said, it's must be a pain for the uplift with a trailer 3x times heavier! And somewhat defeating the purpose of having an eMTB if you are not leveraging the power-assist for riding uphill.
My partner has a new mondraker and it's an absolute weapon, and a 2016 bird. The new bike Is just so much better apart from the weight. So made sense to use if for our last uplift. Going to sell the other bike, as can't afford to have one sat there just incase we need it.
Yep on this trail I wouldn't take anything less than an enduro bike. So minimum 160 (since you can bump up the travel on them to 170 if needed) but I would bump it up to 170 for sure. Even 160 is pushing it being too little of travel for this but should be able to handle it.
@michaelmichaelagnew8503 well... no , but then you would want the Scott genius for that 😉, that one goes 100mm or 150 mm, or complete lock out as doe the ransom
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
@@aznduro I tend to agree with him. I've switched out my 170mm enduro bike for a 130mm trail bike with agressive geometry and I'm having a lot more fun! And I'm not going any slower either, I have no problem keeping up with my riding buddies who still ride their enduro bikes. I feel like the shorter travel bike gives me a lot more in return for the energy I put into it, pumping, jumping, pushing into corners etc. all feels much more efficient.
Not really cheaters since most can't go past 20 mph. In most places that will require you to have a license if you own any bike with a motor that goes past 20 mph regardless if it has pedals or not. So almost all E-bikes with pedals are limited to 20 mph or below by the manufacturer. E-bikes are pointless on downhill tracks.
*Pointless when there are lifts, I agree. Not pointless where there are no lifts and climbing is required to ride downhill. So an eMTB is priceless where there are no lifts.
I can't imagine many people with hardtails going to that particular bike park, it would interesting to see the variation in a more moderate bike park.
I think bike park wales would be a better park for this survey. I saw 10+ hard tails during the vanta jam, including some of the pros hardtails
Joe, 100% agree that would be an interesting look actually, i think the Athertons bike park is obviously moulded around their unique style and good on them tbh, however "meanwhile back on the ranch" most parks cater for a broader spectrum of riding i think you would see a totally different result. Another thing that would be interesting would be cost.... what sort of prices to use the park against what sort of bike you would see..... i know this sounds nuts but i see a LOT more enduro and trails bikes on home made tracks .... Rivington is near me and has a huge amount of trails and tracks all made by local guys and gals and the aray of bike is unreal from top end trails bike to to cheap 26er DH bikes .... i guess because its a free venue everyone is willing to have a bash hence they grab what they can ..... which in all honesty is a good thing. Good comment mate
Reckon I'd take my Torrent S1 there. Not much I won't take it down.
Hardtails are dead. Just for enthusiasts
@@valciobanu 😂 I'm pretty sure this is a sport full of enthusiasts isn't it? Maybe not all like hardtails though.
Crazy to see the differences in bike choice. For most German/Austrian/Swizz bikeparks i have been to it seems to be the dtc brands dominating. Mostly Cannyon, Propain, Commencal and YT but then again a lot of Specialized and Santa Cruz aswell.
I'd copy and paste what you wrote for France as well. A lot of Trek's also
I use my Enduro bike for almost everything, it's 180 up front and 170 rear travel. A real good compromise between Trail and DH and lets you do 'normal' riding with ease too.
I run a 170/150 enduro/all mountain setup for everything. It’s a decent compromise and lets me ride to the best of my ability while descending without risking bending my cranks or the damper rod in my fork like on my old “xc” hardtail (120mm up front on that bike)
Agree my enduro is 180 - 170 and my ebike is 190 - 175
i have a slash but also a supreme as well. love my slash
Currently looking to buy an enduro, just want something I can hut anything amand also go to the shop. What are you all riding enduro wise and what are you riding on them. thanks
Cool video but wish the people you talked to were asked more specifically about their bikes like what they dont like or do like or what they want to upgrade/change etc!
AM Bikes with long travel like 150mm+ are just perfect for nearly everything. ❤
Totally agree - 150 mm is the 'do it all' sweet spot.
Yeah unless yo weigh over 190 pounds then you will brick a shorter tavel bike on jumps to flat in short order..
I personally prefer a 27.5 or a mixed wheel size, having a 29er for close to 2 years, I’ve established that 29ers aren’t for me as I have gone through 6 rear wheels and managed to bend every single one of them within 2 weeks and I have ridden 27.5 bikes which I feel are easier to throw about and despite riding them just as hard if not harder than a 29er I’ve never bent a wheel so my next bike will be a 27.5
i prefer 26 still. so much fun to chuck around
Agree... Smaller sizes are more playfull and allow you to get a better feel for whats goin on.. I get that lost unconnected feeling from 29s.. To me 29 is too big and cumbersome for anything other than knarly pointing down..
Shouldn't Saracen have been listed as a brand then? 🤔 I'm actually surprised that Canyon wasn't very present. Would be different here in the central EU bikeparks I think.
Interesting, I live in NZ where there are plenty of bike parks and you don't see that many downhill bikes at all, most people ride trail or enduro bikes, personally I ride a 120mm 29er, and it handles the bike parks just fine, in fact I don't think I'm any slower on it than I was on my previous bike, a trek slash.
You'd have to be a really good rider to do the most technical trails at Dyfi on a 120 mm bike.
Dyfi's definitely on the more extreme end of bike parks here in the UK so you definitely see a lot more DH bikes compared to a more rounded bike park like bike park Wales
I still rock the old-school tr450 at the bike parks in nz
I hardly are a DH bike in most places in the UK either, think they're reserved for the most extreme parks (like this place)
Reason for fewer YT’s is their supply issues to the UK. Was looking to upgrade my 2018 Capra to a 2022/23 one but no stock anywhere. Ended up going for a nukeproof instead so makes sense with your results!
That's my lime green Whyte 150mm 29"er at 00:07-00:10 hanging on the bike rack. I rode that in the morning & demoed the Atherton DH bike in the afternoon. I couldn't really say which was more fun because the demo bike was Dan Atherton's & as well as his bike being a size too big for me his pro suspension set up didn't work for (amateur) me at all, but was still fantastic to try it out!
I really enjoyed that, you could have made it a 20/30 min vid. Spec comparison was cool. I was wondering if you would get a massive difference in data from different parks like FJs or Dirt Farm type places where 27.5 and 26 might be higher percentage 🤷♂️
Wouldn't mind seeing tyre choice or brand included in the data.
That Pole looks insane
insane can be taken many ways.
@@karlwalters3763 -ly ugly
In Germany its Enduro. I think it is because Most ppl can use a Enduro Bike to Ride local trails without a lift or Shuttle. But iam still on my Dh Bike. Love it.
Raced DH for years. Never on a DH bike🧐. 2021 National DH championship winter park DH 2nd place on my Ripley. (60-64) class. I need to try me a proper DH bike. Happy Trails
The second bike, the full gold POLE, I saw it on reddit like 1 day ago
Never seen a Pole before, cool looking bike.
It is a small Finnish brand so it is not so widely known. Like the idea of fully CNC machined frame as it is probably more long lasting than welded one and high pivot design is also nice but otherwise seems that they try to do a bit too much on a different way than other brands. Pricing is also really high compared to other brand, which is obvious due to unique frame and small production numbers.
Loved the numbers crunching! Thanks Neil! I’d love to see what types, brands, and wheel size of bikes are at Squamish BC!
I am lucky enough to have a DH bike for park and enduro/trail bike for everything else, some people just ride the bike they have as they cant justify the cost, as long as they ride and enjoy it, who cares!!!
Before I got a DH, I would have said an enduro is basically the same thing, makes no difference. Well... yes it does. The DH is on another level.
Surprised to see 150mm bikes on this trail. I think the lowest I would go would be 160 but 170 would be ideal. 200 mm would rock on this though.
I just bought my first bike i got a Rockhopper comp. Im just starting out i did not want to invest a whole lot till i build my skills up and make sure i want to stick with it. I been having a blast i cam def see myself getting a much nicer bike in the future once i get better. Though i am jelly of everyones cool bikes.
Definitely nothing wrong with starting out on a hardtail 💪🏻
Awesome Bike, congratulation! It's always better to be a little under-biked instead of over-biked the entire time. You will become a way-better biker if you start on a hart-tail. You can do a-lot with that bike, (maybe with a ground control t7 front, fast trak t7 rear). And when you go on a bike just rent a Enduro with all that money saved ( Specialized had some amazing bike deal recently). Or take your bike and pick the lines that work for you 😊.
Cheers from Switzerland
I started out with a rockhopper too. Have fond memories of that bike!
This was interesting! Especially for me wo is planing to build a enduro or DH bike since I have a hardtail and trailbike with 160mm.
I had bet that there where more mullet bikes and the second most travel would be between 170-180mm
"lots of e-bikes, guys coming across from motocross"
that's what I think as well, e-bikes are like little motorcycles, what feels like an entirely new type of vehicle. except less loud, which is so much nicer in the forest.
Powerful video! Good video that provides truthful comparisons
if I don't mind walking all the climbing sessions, I would choose 200mm dual crown front shocks as well.
I ride a scott ransom .170mm front and rear
It does not look to me, like people are choosing DH bikes. The DH bikes are groupped to 200+, don't know actually if there is a big percentage of over 200 bikes. But if you consider Enduro to 150-170 mm range, it seems like a winner.
To me a trail bike stops at 150 and Enduro starts at 160, 170 is a light downhill and anything after a full downhill no pedal bike.
170mm on my Vitus Sommet! 👌
At this time how many people are thinking of returning to 27.5 after switching to 29er ?
I want to upgrade from my Ti 100 mm hardtail to a fully soon. A XC on the trail side of the spectrum or Trail bike on the XC side. 120+ mm so much to choose from, dizzying
"Whole trailers full of e-bikes" 🧐 Whole UPLIFT trailers, full of e-bikes. . . interesting.
I double took when I heard that as well lol
Haha yeah kinda defeats the object 😂
Good content, would like to see more
Same bike, same fork, same helmet as Vicky's 😳 Cane Creek double barrel kitsuma and mt7 200/200 on mine
Good taste then 👌
Im starting to see alot more Trek's ebikes then Specialized in the states, they're dealer network is becoming head-and-shoulders above anybody else.
Compared to other brands Trek's and Specialized's warranty and customer service are on another level which might also be a reason. Heard that Santa cruz is pretty much at the same level but don't know personally anyone who owns Santa Cruz at the moment.
@@Hilirimpsuti can't argue, Santa Cruz make some killer bikes, but where I live, we actually have Trek stores where that's all they sell,
@@bassw1758 Santa Cruz makes some great bikes but are also the most overpriced bikes. Its why you don't see many.
In my country hardtail XC's are the most popular (The cheap Chinese Mountain bikes)
Ruzz where is that?
@@samblenkharn8099 PH
3:07 love the whale drawing 🐋
one of my favorite groups are mountain bikers.
I think enduro bikes are perfect in betweener trail and dh....once you are in the 150mm - 180mm travel range i consider that enduro and thus capable of doing jums and steep track, yet able to climb well depending on the bike ... For instance my giant x trance climbs really well, is fast and can handle bumps and jumps at 160mm well
Wish I had a park like that in CT o.o
That Gold Pole though..!? 🏆
🫡🤯😎😇🤩
so it depends from country to country if you come to Europe approx. Germany, Austria, Croatia, Slovenia, etc. 70% of the bikes are Canyon 30% are the others, while Specialized is among the last,😂
In Switzerland we have CUBE, SCOTT, FLYER, SPECIALIZED :)
Now, propain is the most commen. Think yt, santa cruz and canyon are the runner ups.
In Canada- Rocky Mountain, Norco, Kona, Devinci, Transition
@@mjor6406funny you say that, I was saying to friends how you never see Kona bikes in UK or Europe anymore. You used to see loads when we were young. Good to hear they're still going strong!
In Australia heaps of norco and cube bikes
Wow! Like Hogwarts of mountain bikers! ❤
My bike is a Rocky Mountain slayer which is a frame designed for dh and enduro freeride and so I have a mix of the 2 builds 200mm front 180mm rear with enduro drivetrain I don’t ride there but the 2 closest parks r Rocky and full of shale
Trail bikes with long travel, does it all!
So an Enduro bike you mean.
Nice one🎉
Great vid Bad hat 😃
Great video 😃
Next, average price of the bikes. €8k?
I'm a bit disappointed at the lack of variety, people riding mostly the same types of bikes and set ups, come on you Brits spice it up a bit
Hello! I'm new to mountain biking, but I've got a big problem, I don't know what bike to get. I'm going to be hitting the bike park hard, with some aggressive riding. So, I need a bike that can handle that kind of action and can grow with me as I get better. It doesn't have to be super fancy or brand new, and I've got a budget of less than 4k. Got any suggestions or offers? Hit me up
Meanwhile with my 120/120 XC...
folk coming over from motocross choosing eMTBs does not really surprise me, but that said, it's must be a pain for the uplift with a trailer 3x times heavier! And somewhat defeating the purpose of having an eMTB if you are not leveraging the power-assist for riding uphill.
You can say the same thing about people with 12 speed on a up lift
I thought that 😆
My partner has a new mondraker and it's an absolute weapon, and a 2016 bird.
The new bike Is just so much better apart from the weight. So made sense to use if for our last uplift. Going to sell the other bike, as can't afford to have one sat there just incase we need it.
nice video!
The dude with the gold pole “why not?” … my friend that build is exactly ‘why not’ 😅😅😅😅😅
Enduro all the way😊
Yep on this trail I wouldn't take anything less than an enduro bike. So minimum 160 (since you can bump up the travel on them to 170 if needed) but I would bump it up to 170 for sure. Even 160 is pushing it being too little of travel for this but should be able to handle it.
We're are all the hardtails? Lol
The bike I noticed the most at the park is the one I ride, biases I suppose. YT🤘
Sick
Does anybody ride uphill?
Yes me and with an XC 120 😅 don't own a car and got to pedal to the trails !
My 150 goes uphill OK, but not as quick as my 90 XC hardtail!
❤
R.I.P Giant lol
That POLE is one of the ugliest bikes I can recall seeing in recent memory.
I’m surprised no nukeproof
my 2021 Scott Ransom 920 let's me choose my travel 120mm or 170mm ,I literally have the best of both worlds , just sayin
Does you let you choose 150? Since that's the sweat spot on an all around bike.
@michaelmichaelagnew8503 well... no , but then you would want the Scott genius for that 😉, that one goes 100mm or 150 mm, or complete lock out as doe the ransom
170-160 mm bird AM160
The bike u can effort ;)
yt capra MX😂 i use bike for everything😂180travel
No one riding orange 🍊!? Just me?? 😂
i havent watched this but im guessing enduro bikes
There's only one way to find out 😉
Music is to loud
Maybe I won’t take my Tallboy
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
Majority are waaaay overbiked for their skill.
Yes, I know I am - even on my trail bike!!!
People always say that.
@@aznduro I tend to agree with him. I've switched out my 170mm enduro bike for a 130mm trail bike with agressive geometry and I'm having a lot more fun! And I'm not going any slower either, I have no problem keeping up with my riding buddies who still ride their enduro bikes. I feel like the shorter travel bike gives me a lot more in return for the energy I put into it, pumping, jumping, pushing into corners etc. all feels much more efficient.
On this trail its allot safer to be overbiked than underbiked like riding a 150 travel bike then going to the hospital.
E bikes should have their own parks, cheaters
Not really cheaters since most can't go past 20 mph. In most places that will require you to have a license if you own any bike with a motor that goes past 20 mph regardless if it has pedals or not. So almost all E-bikes with pedals are limited to 20 mph or below by the manufacturer. E-bikes are pointless on downhill tracks.
*Pointless when there are lifts, I agree. Not pointless where there are no lifts and climbing is required to ride downhill. So an eMTB is priceless where there are no lifts.