Trail Vs Enduro Mountain Bikes | Is There Really A Difference?
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2020
- With so many different types of mountain bike available now it can be tricky to work out what is a trail bike and what is an enduro bike. With the help of our good friends at Commencal (and a few different Blakes!), who have provided us with the Meta TR 29 and the Meta AM 29. It’s time to define what these two bikes are all about.
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Not fair, should've used the same rider for both bikes.
I mean if they used the same rider he would’ve gotten 2 bikes and commenters would be jealous
@@bentyler5704 True, that is a valid point!
Agreed, enduro Blake probably should have done the whole thing himself and just used editing, I don’t even know who this TBB guy thinks he is...
Because maybe the other one is pro but other one is amateur
yeah this is so not fair ppl
The editors deserve a day off for this
Deffffinitely! one of the best edits ive seen in a while!
And blake is awesomely funny! Good job, blake!
Ha ha, like a week solid to edit this. Plus overtime!
@@tobymills160 editors*
Everyone deserves a day off
@@tobymills160 lol , RUclips gives me the option to translate this to English, I think editor is the correct spelling
I'm doing my homework but I guess this is more important.
Dam this always happens to me
Im studying for exams i have tomorrow, oh well
Same bro 🤣
Same
no you dont guess its important, YOU KNOW ITS IMPORTANT!!!
As an editor myself, this gives me headache.
I sit here trying to imagine the logistics of shoot day. 😅
Idk, it seems pretty straight forward
Same lmao
i agree to much!!
rather have more info and better comparison than a headache
Blake: "when I'm upset I used to tell to myself a joke I never heard before"
I think this every video but massive respect to the editors, really good work
If u think that every video, then u should say that every video. The editors are really great
The camera work/tracking for the two downhill segments was really well done. The timing of joining behind Blake was particularly enjoyable. Also, the editing/staging to ensure no jarring dialogue when splicing the different Blakes together was so smooth
crazy how Blake can ride stuff like that without anything to protect his eyes. I cant even ride in summer without that.
Or gloves. He probably doesn’t have the falling over problem I have though.
Just keep your eyes shut, no problem
he has no one in front of him ;)
First thing that came to my mind when I saw the mud. Dude put on some clear lenses and protect those eyes!!!
@@snowfree52 Dosen really matter, I ride with the mudhugger guard, that is way bigger then those Marshguard styled ones and still get crap all over my face
I feel like trailbikes are basicly what enduro bikes used to be last year before 38 forks became a thing again😂
More like before the Specialized Enduro made existing enduro bikes look like trail bikes. The 38 just compounds the issue.
@@vomErsten o wouldn't say it's an issue
All the scales are shifting over time. A lot of XC bikes are now in trail range. Downhill bikes will soon be in Mariana Trench range, underwater lol
@@bananasstuff3344 The issue is category confusion, not bikes getting better.
@@TheJofrica so next year gravel bikes will get suspension and look like XC? xD
Yes, finally Commencal on GMBN!
Blake - as at home in front of the camera as behind the bars (of a bike that is). Seriously - one of the best Mountain Bike content creators out there. Thanks GMBN and Blake for high quality entertainment and educational videos.
Blake’s too funny 😂
Lol
Yesss😂🤦♂️👌🏼
Which one?
@@steezeandstylish8456 the three?
@@chelarestelar which one is the funniest 🧐
IMO : if you don't know which type to choose, you need a trail bike. The other types are specialist machines optimised for specific racing events (XC, Enduro, DH, Cyclo-cross...) so they're for people with a racing license, a race schedule pinned to their wall, following a year-long training regimen.
but the meta tr or the clash is the real tough choice...
@@benjaminj.daniel6860 not really, the clash is a park bike, really playful and wants to fly while the tr is your typical trail bike that's great for almost all types of terrain and much more pedally
I have to say that larger riders may prefer the enduro oriented bikes, simply because they're stiffer and feel more stable. I had to exchange my Meta TR for the Meta AM because the TR felt too insubstantial under me. 6'2", 205lbs. Personally, anything less than an enduro bike feels flimsy under me. These new enduro bikes are so lightweight, such good climbers, and with the new geo on bikes now, the larger frame sizes really improve the comfort of bikes for tall/ heavy people.
@@RiggadonDan when did new geometries start? Which years so I get a used bike from then
What is the difference between trail, enduro, freeride and downhill bikes? Or who are just the names of riding styles? I can not understand.
Genius editor and let's not forget how talented the camera operator is here - maybe the same person?. And how many reclimbs for retakes did our poor Blake-man. Bravo, stay in shape guys!!
when blake was doing the downhill race did anyone think back to the narrow bars video and him almost dying
😂 Check it out here if you haven't seen it! gmbn.eu/NarrowBars
I think the biggest difference is the confidence you gain with increased suspension travel and slacker geometry.
is this the first time we see commencal bikes on the channel ?
They had those kids bikes last year but apart from that I think this is!
It’s about time. Highly underrated bikes
I personally have ever used one but they look great!
@@MrDhesse apparently the seat stays rub on your ankles though😬
@@frankiemazzei8882 my friend has one it’s all on how you put your feet on your pedals he doesn’t rub but that’s no reason for you not to get one they are awesome.
Love my Meta TR 29 - it is a real climber, sails through the muddy root filled trails (fell over one yesterday, but pushed over the impossible thing the second time through), and scares the heck out of me as I fly downhill!!! What a blast!!!
how does it perform in the bikepark?
@@technotaubsi Performs good, you could bring one to Whistler and shred the black diamonds.
this is what i've been waiting for sooooo long! comparative test are the only ones i look forward to since many mtb brands started to make very similar frames (ehm santa i'm looking at you) with tiny differences so it's very confusing to find wich bike suits your riding! for me the tr looks perfect but also the clash is stunning and both can be used as freeride rigs... so hard to pick one!!! nowadays bikes looks and ride great
Not surprised the times between these two bikes were so similar; after all that Trail bike has the most enduro geometry I've ever seen on a trail/all-mountain bike (there is less than 1° difference between the headtube and seat tube angles, whereas most trail bikes have a 65-67° headtube angle). Not to mention the Fox 36 was considered an enduro fork until the 38 came out this year.
And only 5mm less in reach, the bikes are basically the same apart form the travel
I don't think they really timed these ;)
I like trail bikes cuz they kind of can do anything with relative ease
I bought my clash the first year it came out and I freaking love it. I think people get too obsessed with speed and components sometimes. Unless youre actually racing mountain biking should be about having fun not how fast you can complete your ride.
Fully agree, I have 2020 Clash and it was the best decision I’ve ever made 🤟🏻
Awaiting the delivery of the new 2021 clash signature and I'm hoping it will be than my 2018 Trek slash which was a beast.
I have a 2021 Clash and its the best bike I have every owned. I have been riding since 1991.
@@jonnyutah35 it will be.
@@MarcinStarszewski good to hear, I am picking up a 2021 Clash essential with the fox 38s and x2 shock this week after coming from an ns fuzz downhill bike with boxxer ultimates and a cane creek coil, didn´t want to lose the fun factor at the bike park but also needed one bike that could also hit some trails, not worried about doing marathon xc rides these days
The best video ever on this channel was Doddy dream bike build.
These - bike vs bike - videos are a close 2nd.
I LOVE these and will gladly watch every second of them. Please do one every week!!
One of the most enjoyable video's I have ever watched on RUclips. Thanks. Awesome riding man. Keep it up.
My brother has the TR, i have the AM… we’re still trying to find the difference. Pros will probably be able to feel the minute differences… as daily morning riders both of us… they’re both fantastic weapons to pack, no matter the ride choice.
Barelli said it himself that the Meta AM 29 is an out and out race bike for limited few folks vs. the TR which he recommended for the vast majority of people ripping their local trails and participating in races here and there. That Meta TR is both longer and slacker with a steeper seat tube than my size large Megatower. It has slightly less travel. That "trail" bike is an absolute weapon!
Great editing and great analysis. Thank you for the hard work. You made it entertaining and informative. 👍
Amazing photography, serious props to whoever was behind the camera on this one. Thanks for the video.
Great video Blake, one hell of rider dude.... also, props go to who ever did the editing.... absolutely spot on..... well done
Wow! This video inspired me to go out on my trail bike. Unfortunately my shock is getting its annual service right now... too bad...
Great video!
Just love the alter ego’s. Must be difficult and a blast to record and edit. Brilliant way to show the differences. Still none closer to helping me choose - trail vs enduro. Although at present it’s take what you get.
Lets say thanks to the editors for this masterpiece
Dialog and the blake on blake convos were super solid and amusing. great vid.
Another great video that should get a youtube-Oscar for greatest Camera, editing and creativity! The topics you bring sometimes are a bit repetitive, but still great informations served with a lot of passion and humour for days!!
Thanks for the kind words!
The timing on this video is amazing, well done.
I love these Split-Screen series...and Blake is so likeable and does a real good job presenting these...very entertaining...thanks for that...!
2 thoughts about the video.
1. would love to see both bikes not only on a fireroad climb but on more tecky, chunky stuff...same on the trail loop
2. Best of both worlds was and will ever be the AM bike at around 150mm in the front and 140/135mm in the back....
That clash is so nice! Almost sad that I got the Meta AM 29, but its too good to regret.
U guys should do one of these but enduro hardtail vs enduro fs
There is no such think as an enduro hardtail. Max fork travel on hardtails is 150mm IMO. They will always be in the trail bike category no matter how HARDCORE U MAKE THEM 😂
@@antoanangelov5672 Don't kill their dreams, hardcore hardtails can be whatever they want to be 😂
Good bit of entertainment and why I subscribed.... I have previously fallen victim of buying more bike then I needed for my local trails.
Don’t know how you managed all of the video magic, but it sure was enjoyable to watch.. Great channel!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice camera work! Love those stabilised gopro shots, adds dynamics to the scene, fun to watch, like from me.
That Meta TR is slacker than most dedicated Enduro bikes were only 2-3 years ago!
It's a downhill weapon
Congratulations on new sponsors! Great to see you guys equipped with Commencal and Maxxis, and really hoping that we will be seeing more of that Clash beast :)
That double thing is so well done. Totally convincing! Well done!
1. Impressive how much fun to watch you can make a commercial, which is basically what this was. A better title may have been "Which Commencal bike is best for you?"
2. Truly well done. Looked forward to this video all week, and it didn't disappoint, for entertainment anyway, with a little helpful info.
3. Doddy's comment about trail bikes....some of them leaning toward the XC geometry and some leaning toward the Enduro...was spot on. Surprised it wasn't mentioned that the Meta leans toward the Enduro, big time, with extremely different geometry than my '18 Trek Fuel EX (also a trail bike) which has a much steeper head angle. This is probably why the Enduro bike only beat the Trail bike by 3 seconds on the downhill. Interesting to me how much their Trail bike beat their Enduro bike on the 50 minute segment dubbed the "Trail" section. This leads me to #4
4. Trail bike is definitely the one for me, as it's the better all-rounder, and in my area, trail is about the best one can hope for as most trails are XC green trails, blue at best. Trail also works for when you go a little farther away to ride bigger stuff on occasion.
5. A more helpful and interesting video I'd like to see made is a comparison between a couple Enduro-leaning trail bikes and a couple XC-learning trail bikes from multiple popular brands/top contenders - including brick and mortar big brands like Specialized and Trek, and the top direct sales models. Then again, I would anticipate results would be about the same. The Enduro leaning trail bikes like this META would be best on big tech, chunk, downhill and big jumps, with their more relaxed geometry and beefier suspension, and XC oriented trail bikes would be faster on climbs and most 'trail' sections with moderate obstacles that reward peddling efficiency.
Fantastic stuff! This is your most creative and well put together vid yet. And I'm with Enduro Blake ;)
I live in steep, rocky, gnary Phoenix AZ. I used to have a Hightower and a Ripley, but when I got the Megatower, I was instantly more comfortable and smashing my previous PR's. Haven't looked back since!
I've had the Clash since the summer and I love it!
I pulled the trigger on the Meta SX, so basically an AM with a smaller wheel and a longer chainstay, both have the same wheelbase, best of both worlds and perfect for big jumps and steep trails, I couldnt be happier 😄😄😄🤩🤩🤩🤩
Very nice concept, funny video ! The chosen trail bike is more on the enduro side. I wonder what would have been the time difference with a smaller trail bike (ex: fox 34, float DPS).
Editing masterpiece. Enjoyed it!
Great info. Production and camera work were outstanding, too!
That blue Meta is gorgeous!!!
Wow ! The 3 blackes seems like a lot of hard work to get it working in editing ! Awesome video !
I would love to see a behind the scenes on a video like this- where Blake plays 3 different people.
Triplets. Duh
Details on the camera gear would be neat too.
so much fun... love it!
blake(s)... you are my hero(s)
This video must have been an incredible project to make. It's really enjoyable
I wonder how much the time was affected by the slower rolling/heavier front Assegai on the Enduro. Tires make a big difference in speed.
Do they remake every episode when they get new bike sponsors?
Its a paid promo....so the payee can input on what they are paying for
Some great videography in this video. Great job!
I got a 2019 clash, love it! altho the climbing with it hurts sometimes xd
Sure Blake could be an actor if he wanted to, so funny on screen.😂👍
Real question is, is the Enduro still faster downhill after fatigue sets in from carrying the heavier, less efficient bike over that last X amount of miles of trail.
It's a good question. Yesterday I spent all morning going up and then descending some technical trails (hard for me, I'm not an advanced raider). I have a trail bike that's 1 year old, so quite capable. Would an Enduro bike be better for me? Would it enable me to go down those trails with more confidence? Would it make much of a difference in the climbs?
The mass isn't _that_ different between trail vs enduro. A modern enduro bike pedals just fine as long as you stay relaxed in the saddle - only when you try to stand up for a sprint does it go all spongey and inefficient. And that relaxed chugging upwards with large suspension can actually _help_ with some of the fatigue.
Of course, when you literally mean _carrying_ the bike, then every extra gram is an extra nuisance indeed... but carrying a bike for _miles_ - seriously?
@@iggalan It really depends on what bike you have vs. what enduro bike you are looking at jumping into because the spec and geo vary so wildly from bike to bike. It's also worth noting that "enduro" and "all mountain" get used interchangeably by almost everybody, but there is some nuance in there such that the latter is probably more relaxed and plush than the former. I personally wouldn't consider any 27.5-wheeled bike in 2020 to be an enduro, it's empirically faster to be on 29" at least in the front wheel. All-mountain, though, certainly.
@@leftaroundabout I mean if you were on an Enduro say 160 travel bike, and kept a similar pace as you would on a 130 bike over miles of trail with a climbs peppered in, and then came to an Enduro style section of trail.
This editing is next level
Awesome video Blake and editors! well made 🍻👍😎
Nice, these are the two bikes I've been dreaming about
Commencal meta I my favorite bike ! I’m Glad gmbn got to ride them in this video. I have the 2020 model in red.
The meta am 29 has been on my radar for the last 6 months. I want one so bad.
I saved up money from my 14th birthday in September and I’m getting a enduro bike for Christmas, gx 1x12, guide re brakes, rock shox lyric 170mm and a super deluxe air. Can’t wait
3 Blake’s, brilliantly put together & great to watch
Kudos to you all..especially the editors...great video....
So looking forward to my TR29...my Meta 55 2009 has had its day
Really really well done video.
Content
And editing
What a master on making content Blake Samson!
Not just kudos to the editors, but more to the pre production, scripting and direction. Planning all this would do my head in.
The Commencal META is a great bike. I got the META TR just before winter and had a chance to use it a bit. I'm in love, it's a nice and fun bike for sure. Even the TR feels great going downhill, much better than you common trail bike. In fact it is defined as "mini enduro" and I think it makes perfect sense.
Oh and for the folks at Commencal: I totally got this bike because of the overwhelming positive comments made on it on the GMBN tech show back when the bike was announced. So glad to see it on GMBN now.
Great quality content, thanks guys
I always see all of ya riding such beautiful trails and cry inside, because the most similar thing here is a kind of pump track but it's 1'5min at max. Almost everything I can do is XC, and I believe I'd enjoy enduro more
The edit job on this one was amazing hahaha
appreciate the free content, awesome video guys!
Our pleasure!
More bikes like the clash please, so dope.
It should be noted that it seems they filmed in the UK and many UK riders agreed enduros are too much for UK trails. If im wrong let me know.
Would love to see Blake ride a meta ht. Aggressive geo, loves to goof off and have fun, but loves speed as well. Mine has been heavily upgraded since I got it, but it is money well spent :)
This was fantastic to watch, really enjoyable. Subb'd!
I love blake so much, This kind of blakes video is so sick when he tries to point between the others at the same time..
Been waiting for a commencal on the channel for ages.
Love for you guys to review the new 2021 Stumpjumper Alloy...👍
easy answer-
get both, be happy.
Enduke, Traingel and Trake. Good video guys.
Oh and you too Blake.
Man I remember you guys hitting 1mil, well done
Like how they added in the strange baby that came from the trail, enduro and downhill bike
I cant believe how much trail Blake looks like enduro Blake, WOW!
Personally I think they have the same father... Rumour has it he got about a bit. There's a dh Blake out there that looks like he could be related too...
The TA looks like a science guy. Well, when it comes to cycling, he is indeed. Top man really. This video deserves an award! Cheers mate. Stay safe. LIKE
Nicely done!! Congrats
Great editing, loved it
Sick video Blake. Many kudos
Ouch, they give gmbn some bikes, meanwhile, I've been waiting months for my meta HT... yes, I'm a bit salty. To GMBN, good video as always. Blake's acting is top notch.
Great comparison guys! Also which size did you picked for both the TR and the AM? Actually I own the Öhlins ED in size L for my 180cm tall. So given the extreme reach on these beasts, I'm really curious about this factor as it's a big topic these days. Thanks for your answer and awesome job anyway 🤟🤟
Just purchased a clash, CANT WAIT!!
More commencal riding please! I d like to see game of bike with these beasts!