Debating the Israel & Palestine Crisis w/ Malcolm Nance & Pam Keith
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- Опубликовано: 15 дек 2023
- Debating the Israel & Palestine Crisis w/ Malcolm Nance & Pam Keith. The Karen Hunter Show
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NECESSARY CONVERSATION!! You wont find this type of conversation on mainstream media. Thank You Karen Hunter!
I guess to get military point of view. But wow humanity. These are children. I used to like listening to stuff like this but. I don't want children and people to die. There is no excuse.
Nance is NOT A COMBAT CHIEF! He is a guy who doesn't understand COMBAT experience.
This wasn't a conversation. It was 2 blotches talking over Mr. Nance.
@mikemann1960 where in the hell did you get that bullshit. You never research anything before you open your ignorant mouth.
Thanks, Professor Hunter for this debate, Nance needs to be challenged on his views, and i'm delighted you have Pam Keith to do so. Can't wait!
Malcolm Nance needs to be challenged on his backstory, which is the premise for having him appear anywhere to expound his views. *He's a FRAUD AND CHARLATAN. 100% FAKE.*
Frfr he has no humane views only way military.
This is a great discussion. Bro. Nance is focused on the military aspect without extrapolating the political consequences of these acts. The political fact is armed engagements is a form of politics. The victory is measured by the political goals of the of Israel, Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah and the US.
I must express my appreciation for Sis. Keith contribution to this debate.
So much clarity and truth. Thank you for the breath, dear sister.❤
Any conversation that does not center on resolving this horror is a non starter for me. More than halfway through and most of what I'm hearing is about trying to justify actions or picking sides. I want to thank Karen for centering her discussion on humanity.
Thanks for bringing Pam Keith on to give another perspective
Malcolm needs to get out of his military bubble. And to say that other people's views are due to lack of information is insulting.
I'm unsure if he would've given any credence to Pam Keith's comments if she didn't hold a JAG position. It's as if nothing has as much significance as a military association.
But he’s correct!
Malcolm is absolutely right. Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis and other proxies of Iran are pledged to the complete anhilation of the State of Israel.
You absolutely don't know what is actually going on. But don't listen to Malcolm, he was just an intelligence officer, based in the middle east, and a member of the filthy military, right.
Great Debate, thank you for having Malcolm and Sister on
This is exactly the debate we should be having. We should be debating subjects like this all the time. Great stuff!!!
Very good conversation by knowledgeable persons. Well done Mr. Nance and Ms. Keith. 😊
You can tell Malcolm is in the military because none of what he said even hinted at the human loss as being tragic. To him, civilian casualties is just the cost of doing business. MLK is proven right day after day and he isn’t even with us anymore. Thanks for this debate Karen. It is much needed and appreciated. And I consider Malcolm very knowledgeable in the intricacies of warfare. But this is the clearest reason why we need civilian oversight.
Nance is very concerned with the loss of civilian life ! But this is war and it isn't pretty.
@@blondiegreeneyes4802 "Nance is very concerned with the loss of civilian life."
I don't think you can show that from his words, BUT, either way the question becomes: Are all civilian/lives equal to him or do some lives matter more...in this contex israeli lives.
War is no excuse for genocide, approaching genocide or war crimes. We've held combatants culpable, to the point of punishment by death, for civilian deaths they purposefully or negligently caused.
Using war as an excuse is about as valid as "I was just following orders."
Malcolm is dangerous bc he moves in trusting a criminal enterprise without question. Thanks for having Ms. Pam Keith on for another perspective.
Thank you so much! For this debate!
Malcolm Nance views are strictly from a military standpoint. He doesn't see anything else about the world.
Did she misspeak saying Palestinians are Shia when net says they're 98% Sunni?
probably. It can happen. And I didn't know to correct her. My bad.
Iran is Shia not Sunni
There's history here. When Israelis tell Palistinians to move they have good reason to believe they will not be allowed to return. They don't want to lose their homes.
In 2005 Israelis gave up Gaza entirely. Palestinians elected Hamas. Hamas took billions in aid to build vast underground tunnels in which to attack Jews. Their stated goal was to eradicate Jews. They enjoyed their work on 10/7/2023.
@@blondiegreeneyes4802 "In 2005 Israelis gave up Gaza entirely"
No they didn't. They just moved their settlements there to the West Bank. Physical control or the option to control whatever they wanted was maintained by israel.
"Palestinians elected Hamas. "
With the express support of BB-brain nutanyahoo and the US. israel WANTED Hamas. Recently stating that hamas was the best leadership to have over gaza to PREVENT the establishment of a palestinian state. You didn't know any of that?
"Hamas took billions in aid to build vast underground tunnels in which to attack Jews."
...or to avoid extrajudicial drone bombing murders by israel. I can't imagine why any political or military thinker with half a mind would not want to be openly exposed to unimpeded air terrorism from remote robot assassins.
"Their stated goal was to eradicate Jews."
...only to the same extent the right wing goverments STATED goal is to eradicate muslims/arabs.
"They enjoyed their work on 10/7/2023"
As the israeli murder forces have enjoyed their work before that and EVERY day after that. To the tune of 35,000 dead, mostly women and children.
“All skin folks aren’t kinfolk.” Be wise my friends…
I Truly Understand Where Pam Keith is also Coming from she is Definitely not talking off the top of her head she is also very knowledgeable about the Region.
Speak my sister.
Malcom fails to mention that the same people who were calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist and supporting apartheid South Africa are the same ones calling Hamas terrorist while supporting apartheid in Israel now! Malcom is tripping like when he went to Ukraine and donned full combat gear, faking like he was on the front lines actually fighting! Meanwhile, the Ukrainians were dogging Africans left and right! Now this should show where his loyalties are. By his words and actions, he has sown us who he is. Who is he to you?
Agreed. I respect Mr. Nance but like Karen said he can’t seem to divorce himself from his military upbringing. Also he contradicts himself by supporting Ukraine yet doesn’t support Palestine when both are being aggressed upon. You can’t change your principles based on who’s involved. Also he said that there was only one incident when Isra3l used “dumb” bombs which makes it look even more like they’re targeting civilians if you have weapons that are more surgical.
Nobody but a dunce thought he was saying he was on the frontlines in Ukraine.
@@andremuhammad3672 Malcolm, doesn't share that political view, and has actually fought against Hamas and similar Palestinian terrorist groups in the past, as he's mentioned before. Not to mention, much of Malcolm Nance's military experience is in intelligence gathering in the Middle East. The reason why he keeps talking about his military experience, is because it's specifically applicable to this situation.
@@jeviosoorishas181 He talks about himself because he's begging for attention. In wars of conquest for territory , the military mind will always consider the civilian occupiers as being the enemy. The US did it with the Native population and in Iraq, the Nazis did it, and Israel is doing it today.
" Meanwhile, the Ukrainians were dogging Africans left and right"
Source for that?
Just for the record, I am totally opposed to MN's all but zionist in name positioning.
We displaced many 100,000s in Fallujah. And if there were over a million people in Fallujah then we would have moved a million people. No questions asked.
This’s a great convo about the humanitarian aspect. Pam Keith description of the role of JAG was illuminating. I have watched this convo two times. You won’t get this info anywhere.
Malcolm is the best
Thank you, Professor Hunter! ✊🏽🫂
Real Talk…Real Journalism. Thank you so much for being True Patriots
Most important takeaway is this is also about Trump. Keep your eye on the ball.❤
Loved this argument, nothing like airing out the dirty laundry.
Why do they have to leave their own land?
That question should have been at the center of this discussion.
That is the point. The media at large ignore this question. The last time they left their land, they were prevented from returning.
Ask any other third world nation of people who also had to leave for the European .... no difference.
@@sutikareoluwagbenga1272🤡
Great question professor Hunter, where are they going to go? And great follow up from Pam Keith, they need some infrastructure set up for when they get there.
Listening to Malcolm like he would have ratted out Denmark Vessey. But i'll be tuned in.
Much love and respect for both parties!
No. No love for Nance. With virtually no advocacy for tens of thousands of Palestinian dead...how can you respect that?
This was an awesome and very informative discussion/debate. Malcolm Nance & Pam Keith need to get together and create a podcast and/or RUclips channel where they discuss and explain world politics.
Great discussion. Still, one one wants to answer how the hell Hamas was able to pull off this major operation without Israel being able to prevent it or take it on. Another point I am hearing is the discovery of oil and gas on the coast of Gaza and who will control that.
This is 1000% about a land grab. In addition to the fuel reserves off the coast of Gaza, Izreal wants to build a canal from its Red Sea port to the Mediterranean to compete with the Suez Canal in Egypt. That necessitates controlling Gaza.
What's CRAZY is the US and Izraeli governments acting like none of us have the internet and the ability to inform ourselves.
It is disappointing to hear someone as informed as Chief Nance upholding the apartheid settler colonial project known as Israel. He is rooted in his military experience, but does not seem able to take a distanced view and question the appropriateness of who he upholds.
Pam Keith could have said more because she is very knowledgeable, but reapects her elders. Pam focused on the humanitarian aspect correctly.
Thanks Professor Hunter for having them on
Malcolm Nance needs to debate Norman Finkelstein, or Miko Peled.
He doesn't dare. He doesn't dare.
Fascinating!
Ummmmp Karen I love your show Pam Keith and Malcolm Nance know so much more than what we know. All I know my son was in Palestine (black man) and he said it was a hostile environment for the refugees. When he went to Hebron it took 2 hours or more to get in for no reason and when they finally got in all eyes were on them so much that as a black man they said let's get the H up out of here.
What they "beliieve" not what they know .
Who?.
Excellent Debate!!
I would have to kindly disagree with Pam here, Palestinians the vast majority are Sunni Muslims with some Christians, like Egypt, Jordan, the issue is not Sunni or Shia but rather Egypt, Jordan and other Arab states do not want to facilitate Israel's mass ethnic cleansing and genocide of Gaza, because like in the Naqbah of 1948, once the Gazan's are forcibly removed from the land-they WILL NEVER be able to return! The Apartheid state of Israel only has the right of return for Jews who are not indigenous to the land, but deny Palestinian's right of return who've lived on the land for centuries.
Remember Yakqub from Brooklyn who moved into a Palestinian family's home in the West Bank and said: "if he didn't steal their home someone else would!"
No, she’s right. Iran is backing the palestinians and JORDAN and EGPYT PROPER do not want Iranian linked ANYTHING in their countries.
Malcom knowledge is unmatched.
Thank you ⚡⚡🪶⚡
I appreciateed the dialog as both sides had compelling arguments for and against this inhuman war. Thank you for bringing together opposing views
In my sight, let the nations gives back the land of Israel for them and let the light 🕯️ prevail
You GOT Trump right! That's it.
Definitely!
That mayonnaise sauce has scrambled Malcolm's mind
Professor Hunter sister from another mother ❤❤❤❤❤ she is using a two edged sword.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank y'all. Powerful! ✊🏽
That is 1 too many "Dumb Bombs"
Bring on Rashid Khalidi, author of The Hundred Years War On Palistine or Norman Finckelstein.
Y’all need to be careful from that guy . Is lying 🤥
Why is THIS conflict a concern for black America?
Are there not enough issues ravaging black communities in the States?
Or have all the problems been solved?
It's time to focus up!
I agree but if they can do this to the Palestinians they can do this to us (a people who are so distracted by everything and anything else that doesn't involve matters of which we need to be cognizant about). We are already fighting seemingly a losing battle with regard to law enforcement and the MAGA(ets) idiots. The current geopolitical atmosphere affects us all as well and need to pay attention because this can happen here as well.
If you keep your mouth shut now, don’t speak when it happens to you.
I agree with the previous replies because we can walk and chew gum at the same time. Also, it hits me different when my tax dollars are used to kill kids and non-combatants directly.
*GAZA has discovered natural gas on their land.*
I stopped listening to Malcom Nance’s arrogance years ago.
The lady with all due respect said they want to obliterate everyone. Why don’t they? They do keep telling people to move. Also what are her doable realistic suggestions.??? It’s not a video game. Also where was this done before” as the lady stated?
😢
I'm 100% on the side of Malcolm here. Malcolm correctly sees Hamas as a terrorist organization, and differentiating between terrorism and radicalism/revolutionary politics has always been hard for the left to properly evaluate or understand, because it contradicts much of their worldview. There's a certain way in which terrorism has to be fought, especially Islamic Terrorism, and contrary to what Karen is saying "Islamic Terrorism" is not a form of "Arab Nationalism", if anything, it is a rejection of it.
Not buying it, Sorry.
@@maplebonesOk...
As for which side am I on in regards to this debate, I have to side with the innocent bystanders and civilians of both Israel and Palestine. The main villains in this war are Hamas and far Right extremist in the Israeli government. This is a war between Semitic people (both Jews and Arabs are Semites) over religious ideology and land. What both sides need to do is kick out the extremist leaders from both governments and form a new united secular democratic country with a new Semitic name with an emphasis on freedom of religion. Of course this most likely won't ever happen because most humans suck and are idiots who are too blinded with hate and greed in order to peacefully unite.
Hamas and Netanyahu's backers both want civilian casualties, it suits their political goals and allows for endless rounds of Revenge on both sides. The Gaza Strip,with all the sanctions from Israel, and attacks from Hamas followed by Israeli counter attacks, has turned it into both a Refugee Camp and Battle Zone at the same time, with a captive civilian population unable in even the best of times to have a functioning society. Neither of the Radical Factions on both sides have yet or will in the future allow a real society and economy to develop! I feel like I've been watching the same badly written TV show for over 50 years. When the Leaders from both sides do finally come together, like with the Camp David Accords, they are Killed! I'm really not optimistic!
I think a big issue here is when we start talking about "we" did what and "we" support who? Now unless one is actively engaged in protest, then one is not doing the least one can to counter the actions the US government takes in our name. But damn, "we" aren't bombing Palestinians, "we" aren't purposely pushing forward the imperialist mission of the United States Empire. Malcolm Nance is good with doing that. And that is why I'm not good with him.
Good debate. No point in shooting the messengers; they were just telling it like it is. War is hell…when will it ever end?!
When there are no more people like Nance.
Let's use the primaries to get our voices heard by voting for a third-party candidate. It won't harm anything because Biden will get the nomination. However it could pressure Biden to adopt the platform of the 3rd party candidate.
Malcolm Nance Is great, a beacon of light in this world of shallowness and ignorance. Thank you for having the patience and honesty to embark in this conversation. I wish the lady stopped barking and let him talk a bit more.
"I have seen indiscriminate not indiscriminate" Mr. Nance you have seen a lot of indiscriminate bombings. Mr. Nance I know you will be a Nazi fighter when the war starts here but you will also be the faction that will keep the civil war from turning into a revolution. Colonized mindsets is pervasive among the Mexican community and I hear that mindset every time you speak.
I have to agree with Malcolm’s viewpoint. This is a highly unusual war being fought in a tightly dense area and under conditions and rules set by Hamas. For the most part, Israel is using a targeted approach to isolate the bad guys in a very chaotic situation. Clearly, there will be casualties and suffering of innocent civilians in the mix, but warning people to get out of harm’s way is about the only option they have to root out Hamas. Also, more than just criticizing Israel, the entire region has a responsibility to come to the aid of the suffering Palestinian people.
Mr. Nance is tied to the military not humanity... He is too close.
Hence the oxymoron “military intelligence “. This dude is the carpenter who has a hammer and think every problem is a nail.
He loves his master !!!
Malcolm just displayed his total consciousness is invested into the western/ zoinist concepts of war and lack of humanity....he got too many buddies in the world military complex community to be objective
Says he who is not there 😂🤣😂🤣. I believe you are checking OUR THERMOMETER BRO. NANCE😉😉😜
It's painful to listen to the war hungry, blood thirsty Nance. His personal view is nauseating to say the least.
He and his fellow folks have no compassion, and that's the most saddening part of this. Moving a million people
from their homeland for the mere sake of land acquisition for the European is criminal.
Absolutely, and likely heavily invested in the US military industrial complex.
Apartheid is apartheid is apartheid.
17:39
Tell him something sista
TELL HIM
He’s still a state operative_
The conflict has lots of dimensions and is nuanced. Any answers that seem axiomatic and fit our comfort zone may be a popular answer but not the best answer to a complicated conflict.
Girl bye nothing is nuanced about the situation. You have an apartheid, colonisation and occupation regime. You have an ethno state created in 1948 on people's land by killing them and stealing their lands. So spear me your both siding BS
Agree with Malcolm Nance. He deals with the way the world really is.
I'd love an in-depth interview with Nance to truly understand the origins of his perspective. Personally, I don't see how any black American can have such unbending faith in the US military-industrial system/project. He acts like this very same govt wouldn't shoot his black ass at a traffic stop.
I oppose our backing of the bombardment of Gaza because I believe that the toubabs ALWAYS do a test run in preparation for future atrocities. And I've seen zero historical evidence to suggest that Africa is not next for this! Or, frankly, even us, here in America! A lot of historically black neighborhoods are in very prime locations.
6:57 NO! Palestinians are 100% Sunni lady, so is Egypt and Jordan. I hope that was a Freudian slip, cause she sounded like a buffoon.
Isreal been treating Palestinians badly for years.
I'm with malcom 🇺🇲❤️🇮🇱
Just Plz Don't put One's Sm's selfless service in vain, As if ones, current and passed living freedom's wasn't worth its time andor sacrifice.
Pam Keith is incorrect that Palestinians are Shi’i. Iranians are Shi’i for the most part. But most of the rest of the Islamic world is Sunni, including Palestinians and Egyptians. Malcolm Nance’s point was correct that Egypt does not want to take in Palestinians due to Egypt having it’s own problems in the Sinai and, truth be told, wherever Palestinians go they try to overthrow the government. Not said is that Hamas evolved from The Egyptian Brotherhood who assassinated the former President of Egypt, Anwar Sadat, for making peace with Israel. Ms. Keith has impressive credentials but her historical explanation re Egypt/Palestinians could not be more wrong.
THE LAST WORD. I love a world full of humanitarians but pray let's talk humanitarian considerations to both sides. What is the humanitarian difference between someone going into a community to slaughter all it's inhabitants and someone killing 20k people out of 1 million. Also, if someone deliberately creates a battle field within a population, who should take the blame for the humanitarianfallout? They creator or the one forced to fight there?
Malcolm Nance is an embassment he will defend imperialism at all cost what joke smdh
I think Malcolm is great. Real deal. Usually agree with him. Don't agree with him about this.
🇦🇪 Free Palestine 🇦🇪
INELLIGENCE
I agreed with Pam the whole time, however, Malcolm hit the nail on the head with his last comment!
We Killed 300,000 combatants and civilians in Iraq! What is she talking about ?
Love the conversation, though I don't know everything they are talking about. 😮
Miss Karen. There are bad people in the world and there are cultures that value life less (or more) than your culture. In cultures like China, Iran, and most of the Gulf states...life is cheap. Tribe, clan, and hierarchies mean more than species or nation. Hamas won an election decades ago, killed off its political rivals, and still imprisons and tortures individuals who push back against their deprivation of the people of Gaza. Hamas' leaders and their families live well. They live in Qatar, send their kids to school in London, and get their health care in Paris. Think of all of the venal individuals you have met in media, music, or politics here. Now scale up their moral depravity to nation-state size and pwoer. These are the countries and cultures I have mentioned above. Put Puffy in charge of a country and you get Saddam Hussein's sons.
Annexation is Clearly not an objective for lsrael. Lots of People without knowledge of the region are just very Naive where this matter is Concerned. The Suffering of the Palestians is To be laid Squarely at the Feet of Hamas.
Hamas provoked this war knowing the suffering of the Palestinians that would result and being fine with it.
Are you being sarcastic or just making a bad joke ? Only a 10 year old who think that is true.
Love how the lady skips over the attempted assassination of the Egyptian King, and how the PLO originally did not in fact claim Gaza or the West Bank, and how Jordan was created in fact via the mandated claim of Palestine.
Do either of you ladies do any form of research?
I offer to come on and explain actual academic research.
Black people we have no business in that war stop the bs
Black people aren't part of the United States?
Is a nail a part of the door? It's a question of "meaningful significance".
What role does a Black person play when it comes to decision making
policies? @@KarenHunterShow
@@sutikareoluwagbenga1272Without a nail or screw within the hinge of a door it could not stand upright. Nor could it Open or Close! It’s the length of the nail in its fortified foundation that provides its strength.
@@KarenHunterShow 😆 true our people are still in lala land
@@sutikareoluwagbenga1272 you have arrived at the place where we should start the conversation. Bravo!
Wow! Malcolm knows all? The military answer to Israel/Palestinean conflict will never work. It just makes life in the Middle East miserabe. Now it's time to negotiate and settle this issue!
Malcolm is correct that surrounding countries don't want refugees because it is unjust to drive out Palestineans so Israel can settle all of the land. But to make a statement that is, "I'm always more knowledgeable and always right" makes me NERVOUS. Heard too much of that from the MAGA maniacs.
Netanyahu has manipulated Biden. He has abused our friendship. Biden has been willingly manipulated. Either way, we are on an immoral track! Israel h deliberately hit civilian structures. They have made rubble out of Gaza. The idea of double tap on buildings is not a gracious technique. It's deadly. It killed dead 32,000 people and the highest demographic of the dead are children and women.
Everyone I know wants us out of Netanyahu's trap. He did not consult with us when he attacked an Iranian consulate killing a big shot Al Kuds General. Now he expects and gets our help? Did Netanyahu expect flowers and candy from Iran for doing that? It was aggressive and violent and unilateral. No more U.S. Middle East interventions for bad reasons!
Ukraine is not winning the war and sanctions against russia from the west hasn't worked either. That military industrial complex got Nance in a chokehold 😅😅😅
Was Malcolm Nance the consultant Trump spoke with before Trump did the air strike on that Iranian General on January 2, 2020? Why is no one talking about that? Wasn't that considered a 'war crime?
No, he was not. Malcolm Nance has been a joke and pariah in intelligence circles since 1995, when his commanding officer Ken Verbrugge (then possibly a Commander or Lieutenant Commander) at NSGA Rota banished Nance from the Naval Security Group for misconduct and gross personality issues.
The only people who take Nance seriously are progressives who've been driven so insane by their hatred for Donald Trump that they cannot recognize the obvious warning signs of fraud Nance gives off.
Before Joe Biden was elected, there was talk of Malcolm Nance getting a high-level national security job in the Administration. Yet no job materialized. Why do you suppose that didn't happen? Because Malcolm Nance had been known to actual national security professionals as a clown, fabulist, and liar for 25 years.
Malcolm Nance would have advised against it. Nance: "We have to understand the consequences of such an order, because there are second-degree effects. There are third-level effects which come from that, which could lose many, many, many more Americans than could ever have been saved by killing him."
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin spoke publicly of his disagreements with Israel’s killing of civilians. Thus, Secretary Austin, a USA Army General who knows what war crimes look like and sometimes points out when allies commit them, seems like a much more credible promoter of peace and diplomacy than Malcolm Nance.
Interesting, Nance risking his life to fight for the Ukrainians, but fails to draw a parallel with the Palestinians... (What a quagmire!)
he didn't actually engage in any battle, that was a publicity stunt. he's as fake as a six dollar bill.
Palestinians are Sunni !
Malcolm is full of it.
No he is not
Prove it.
@@TheJo201yes he is.
@@Saumie Go Read his Book and follow what he has Done throughout his career and for our country. Not because you Don’t like what he is saying it doesn’t mean that it’s not true
Read his books... Listen to his podcasts... I'd put up his EXPERIENCE & EXPERTISE up against yours ... Armchair military words ... Jag has not geared up & put that arse on that ground...