We Can't Shake Dave - Episode 16, 9th April - Bangor & Larne

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  • Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024

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  • @Mitch-Hendren
    @Mitch-Hendren 5 лет назад +64

    Belfast Central was called Central as it was the terminus for the Belfast Central Railway. it was changed because visitors were thinking they were in the city centre not somewhere between the markets and a derelict swimming pool . :-)

    • @ianmcclavin
      @ianmcclavin 5 лет назад +2

      Yes, I'm surprised that they made it the terminus of the Enterprise train service from Dublin. Great Victoria Street would be the more logical choice, given adequate capacity. I gather there are plans to switch it at some point.

    • @donaloflynn
      @donaloflynn 5 лет назад +3

      @@ianmcclavin I suspect that the decision to relocate the terminus to Belfast Central when it opened in 1976 was related to security and safety concerns. The frequent bombings of The Europa Hotel and other targets in the city centre during that era must have caused major disruption to services into Great Victoria Street. Belfast Central was constructed with a blast wall which was only removed during the construction work last year. Having the passengers from the south arrive to the markets area of the city meant that they would be less susceptible to disruption from security alerts in the city centre.
      Bringing the Enterprise back to the city centre makes perfect sense now and it would appear that redevelopment at Great Victoria Street is imminent: www.futurebelfast.com/property/belfast-transport-hub/

    • @papamatthewgracebrookschan7748
      @papamatthewgracebrookschan7748 3 года назад

      The Belfast Central Railway didn't have a Terminal! The station is on a portion of the Belfast Central Railway.

  • @Oscair_Brady
    @Oscair_Brady 5 лет назад +44

    Three people better than two 👍. And those last 10 seconds, sooo cute!

  • @conlethbyrne4809
    @conlethbyrne4809 Год назад

    Really enjoyed your ⏲️ & and laughed my head off, as I am still waking up. I've never travelled the Northern stations but plan to now. Thank you, you two lovebirds ❤🎉

  • @TheChrisD
    @TheChrisD 5 лет назад +10

    And here I was thinking my 4-stop trek with you guys was already too much 😅

  • @andydavies8174
    @andydavies8174 9 месяцев назад

    Just watched your video on Northern Ireland Railways, I grew up in Bangor and used to get the train everyday to school and back and yes I still call it Central. Great video enjoyed watching it.

  • @Semtx552
    @Semtx552 5 лет назад +40

    Time for 'all the stations - Netherlands' \o/

    • @rollingtroll
      @rollingtroll 5 лет назад +1

      Yes please!
      There's a few bloody ugly ones honestly, also our train routes are usually going past industrial estates.
      But if any pickups or transfers or rescue missions are needed in the South, I'll be happy to help out.

    • @MarceldeJong
      @MarceldeJong 5 лет назад +1

      @@rollingtroll yeah the view is either stereotypically Dutch (windmills and farms) or just industry. And very few quaint stations.

    • @AidanMmusic96
      @AidanMmusic96 5 лет назад +1

      @@MarceldeJong The quaint views make up for it!

    • @losh330
      @losh330 5 лет назад

      So many of them are modern. No quaintness at all at least in the area I've been to.

    • @ramongonzales1007
      @ramongonzales1007 5 лет назад

      All the stations - Luxemburg maybe? I think there are only about 60-70 stations on the network.

  • @tonys1636
    @tonys1636 5 лет назад +22

    The end is nigh, all too soon, cannot wait for the next "All the Stations" and where it will be.

  • @businessbuilding1
    @businessbuilding1 5 лет назад +3

    NEXT : All the Stations Japan!
    8579 Stations! Love you guys and What you do. It's great coming home after a busy day to see your videos. Hope to see more journeys long after you finish this one.

  • @bobjimwilly1
    @bobjimwilly1 5 лет назад +71

    Vicky should so "All The Castles" in Britain (and travel to each via train, obviously)

    • @SamSitar
      @SamSitar 5 лет назад +2

      yes it will be very popular.

    • @Theyluvkai7218
      @Theyluvkai7218 5 лет назад

      Robert Williams yes

    • @leona_devon
      @leona_devon 5 лет назад +1

      yes, this needs to be thing, back to Kick-starter, I love trains and castles too :)

    • @EthanAfro707
      @EthanAfro707 4 года назад

      She has got Vicki Explores where most of the castles will be featured at some point

  • @thproductionwensleydale624
    @thproductionwensleydale624 5 лет назад +1

    I have seen a DVD from Marsden Rail about Northern Ireland Railways in the late 1960's using archive film that mainly shows the Stone Trains from Maghermorne where tipper trucks would fill specially made trucks to Belfast principally to construct the M2 Motorway that heads out of Belfast (filmed from 1966 to 1970's). This train service was the last commercial steam service done in the whole of the UK. How amazing is that.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 5 лет назад +1

      That might have been beaten in time when the East Lancs Railway recently provided a steam locomotive for a Manchester Metrolink Ballast / Infrastructure contract.

  • @richardhuss
    @richardhuss 5 лет назад +5

    Thanks Dave for the input on the 1957 closures - it's a sad thing that, by the end of All the Stations Ireland, you'll still have missed the five entire counties which have no rail service at all.

    • @ianmcclavin
      @ianmcclavin 5 лет назад

      Yes, I had to do some exploring of those by coach when I was there. Fortunately you could buy a combined bus, train and coach pass, I don't know if it's still available now.

    • @joemcmahon3541
      @joemcmahon3541 5 лет назад

      Of the 32 counties, which have no rail service? I can guess only one, Donegal. Thanks!

    • @richardhuss
      @richardhuss 5 лет назад +2

      @@joemcmahon3541 Donegal, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan IIRC.

  • @LukeWilson2003
    @LukeWilson2003 5 лет назад +13

    Great meeting yous that day !

  • @gevmage
    @gevmage 5 лет назад +1

    Ha ha ha ha! I love "it's the final countdown" rendition!

  • @kdean9537
    @kdean9537 5 лет назад +6

    Hi Dave, you were great, nice addition! ✔ Awww cute cat...nice ending! 😊 Good job Vicki & Geoff! 💖

  • @Theyluvkai7218
    @Theyluvkai7218 5 лет назад +7

    Always love all the stations Ireland 🇮🇪 as well as Geoff & Vicki

  • @trainsinireland5063
    @trainsinireland5063 5 лет назад

    Outstanding Video and Commentary Geoff and Vicki!😃.

  • @samphonique
    @samphonique 4 года назад

    I'm watching this whilst on a train! 🚅

  • @RailVideosNI
    @RailVideosNI 5 лет назад

    Was fantastic to meet you and to show you around our museum at Whitehead. Looking forward to the video

  • @silverlawnwales3549
    @silverlawnwales3549 5 лет назад +5

    Great episode - what a lot you packed in! The Folk Museum is well worth a visit if you’re ever back - it’s huge, spread over acres of beautiful countryside. And you definitely should visit Carrickfergus Castle. As good as the famous Welsh ones like Carnaervon and Harlech.

  • @curtisross8010
    @curtisross8010 5 лет назад +1

    Actually so happy you visited my wee town must have literally missed you guys on the train from Belfast to Bangor

  • @MaxBarnish
    @MaxBarnish 5 лет назад +2

    Having been one of those to recommend the Ulster Transport Museum, good to see you fitted it in and seemed to enjoy it. I've been there twice and really enjoyed it. I also really like the Folk museum - lots of restored and replica buildings of how a village and surrounding countryside was ages ago - but the whole site really needs a day. I'd reckon Ballymena and Portrush will be on tomorrow's video - those will bring back memories of visiting as a child, but actually seldom by rail as services were very limited in those days and the trains were ancient and unreliable - so much better nowadays

  • @gillchatfield3231
    @gillchatfield3231 5 лет назад

    Thanks Vicki and Geoff, and editor Michelle for the super shots of Glynn - my adopted station. It looks lovely 🚂❤️

  • @EmmyGuitarxGirlBird
    @EmmyGuitarxGirlBird 5 лет назад

    I've really enjoyed this series can't believe its nearly over! Love the Guinness train so cute!

  • @MajesticTrains
    @MajesticTrains 5 лет назад +3

    Almost every year i visit Northern Ireland, and over time i managed to visit every station in there. The last section that i did was Larne Harbour to Whitehead,

  • @daggersdukc
    @daggersdukc 5 лет назад +4

    I'm really missing the tubes (44 years of my life growing up and living in London). BUT its really weird seeing my adopted town, and main route into Belfast, as I'm now 'stationed' in Bangor. I'll have a wee dander (NI-English translation: a stroll) over to the railway museum in Whitehead, now I know its there!

  • @HenrysAdventures
    @HenrysAdventures 5 лет назад

    Brilliant video! The miniature railway at Bangor is worth a visit!

  • @leona_devon
    @leona_devon 5 лет назад

    Oh you look like you are having so much fun, this was a great episode, love the transport museums, ya not one but two, spoilt :)

  • @mrmoomooface1662
    @mrmoomooface1662 5 лет назад +4

    The cat pretty much confirms that i'm going to that museum someday

  • @TheNails3
    @TheNails3 3 года назад

    The train cat at the end 😻 Awwww!

  • @timdaugherty5921
    @timdaugherty5921 5 лет назад +3

    I met Dave in York last June. He looked very familiar and i said hello! I said I saw you on All the Stations!

  • @glynwelshkarelian3489
    @glynwelshkarelian3489 5 лет назад

    '... joy of man's desire'! Possibly the most professional video you've ever published; and you had a fat cat at the end making you a gif! It may be even better than Galway Railway Girl. I want the 'All the Stations Ireland' soundtrack album; all the tracks!

  • @michaelbruchas6663
    @michaelbruchas6663 5 лет назад +1

    Always love Dave!

    • @k.r.baylor8825
      @k.r.baylor8825 5 лет назад

      He's got a friendly and pleasant personality, and he knows his trains forward and back. Always good to see him in these videos.

  • @Srananbloke
    @Srananbloke 5 лет назад +1

    @15:00
    All The Stations, with cats!
    Sounds like a great and succesfull new journey to me. You guys should make that happen next, for the sake of trains and cats.
    And you might add some Pacers and the Isle of Wight while you’re at it.
    So great new idea for your next journey: All The Stations, with cats...with Pacers, with the Isle of Wight.
    The ultimate ✅

  • @Brettski_1234
    @Brettski_1234 5 лет назад +1

    The situation at Belfast is similar to Melbourne, Australia where the main long distance train station was renamed from Spencer Street to Southern Cross over 10 years ago after a redevelopment but people still call it Spencer Street

  • @stevewareing8525
    @stevewareing8525 5 лет назад

    Yay another Great "Victoria" Station. You should consider doing a compilation video of all the stations you've ever visited called Victoria as a treat for Vicki.

  • @jarodh-m6099
    @jarodh-m6099 5 лет назад

    The font on the sign that David pointed out is awesome.

  • @gevmage
    @gevmage 5 лет назад

    Wow, a Soyuz capsule! I bet it won't be there if I go to this museum. :-(
    What a wonderful video, and a wonderful day. Cool!

    • @bigdmcc1
      @bigdmcc1 5 лет назад

      It's on display at the Ulster Transport Museum until 12th May:
      www.nmni.com/our-museums/Tim-Peakes-Spacecraft-Tour.aspx

  • @Listenerandlearner870
    @Listenerandlearner870 5 лет назад

    It was more laid back when old trains use to run then the stations were done up and the new trains came along.

  • @greek9244
    @greek9244 4 года назад

    You were soooooo close to where I live !!! I could’ve token the bus down there and would’ve took me about 5 minutes .

  • @Menticknap
    @Menticknap 5 лет назад +1

    Every station should have a station cat!

  • @Ulsterbusman129
    @Ulsterbusman129 4 года назад

    Bangor is a great place I hoped you had a good time in my wee home town

    • @outaboutnorthernireland9671
      @outaboutnorthernireland9671 4 года назад

      Hi Ulsterbus Fan - thought you might like this video - ruclips.net/video/Adhuj5wlEgI/видео.html - filmed at the bus rally at Cultra, Bangor.

  • @prawnjohn
    @prawnjohn 5 лет назад

    i have just discovered your great U Tube channel and i like the way you
    present everything. i know you were both push for time but if you
    both had traveled to the back of the Bangor Castle there is a small
    free museum that is very informative.

  • @TheWorldofGood79
    @TheWorldofGood79 5 лет назад

    Great video, as ever Geoff, I was a bit disappointed though that you didn't pick up or maybe you did? That the on board train announcer (you can hear her at the start of the video) is none other than the Radio 4 announcer and Gardeners Question Time presenter Kathy Clugston and has been since 2012. I vividly remember getting on the train at Sydenham back in Sept 2012 and realizing I recognized the name of the announcer. I just love that train journey from Great Victoria St to Bangor, when the sun is shinning Belfast Lough and the journey to Whitehead is truly impressive.

  • @billyshearer117
    @billyshearer117 5 лет назад +4

    You didn't show us Carnalea, Seahill, Marino, Holywood, Titanic Quarter, Ballycarry and Whiteabbey! 😜

  • @dickjohnson4447
    @dickjohnson4447 5 лет назад

    Dave is such a nice guy

  • @btuckervideos4705
    @btuckervideos4705 5 лет назад +1

    Forget the Colraine line and the Kyle of Lochalsh line, the Riviera line along the Dawlish sea wall is where it's at (at least for the lines I've travelled along)

  • @u.k.trainandbusvids
    @u.k.trainandbusvids 5 лет назад +1

    I got to see Tim Peake Soyuz capsule too saw mine in Shildon which there's a train station next to it and York last year well the Shildon one its easy X21 by Go North East down then 5/5A by Arriva

  • @TheGiantKillers
    @TheGiantKillers 2 года назад

    Dunno about Michael Palin's assessment the north coast railway [youthful memories of the train being painfully slow probably left it's scars, not to mention too often bus substitutions] But, to change the transport method slightly. I would say that driving the Ulster coastline route is a more enjoyable route than the more publicised north coast 500 of Scotland.

  • @stephenglenn1969
    @stephenglenn1969 5 лет назад

    Ah Larne Harbour! A station I haven't been too since the ferries arrived into Belfast.

  • @bokhans
    @bokhans 5 лет назад +6

    I am Scandinavian and the last time I visited N.I. English army guys with machine-guns was running up and down the trains crossing in to the Republic. Tickets in Belfast was sold out of a small wooden shed in a completely bombed out station. I guess a lot of people wants that “glorious” time back according to the Brexit results. 🤯

  • @Theyluvkai7218
    @Theyluvkai7218 5 лет назад +4

    I can’t believe tomorrow is the last day of All the Stations 🚉 Ireland 🇮🇪

  • @Albatross-365
    @Albatross-365 5 лет назад +1

    Nice cameo by Skimbleshanks at the end there, making sure everything is going smoothly

    • @johnhaines4163
      @johnhaines4163 5 лет назад

      After all these videos, they've finally returned to what the internet was made for, cats.

  • @tarabuses
    @tarabuses 5 лет назад

    Great to see the ex GSR 4-6-0 "Maedb" looking so well at the Cultra museum. I'm looking forward to the bonus video at Whitehead.

    • @qwertyTRiG
      @qwertyTRiG 5 лет назад

      Maedhbh, you mean. There are clearly seimhú on both letters.

    • @tarabuses
      @tarabuses 5 лет назад

      Just trying to replicate the nameplate spelling but I haven't mastered the "." on the d and b on a keyboard!

    • @qwertyTRiG
      @qwertyTRiG 5 лет назад

      @@tarabuses I can't find them myself either, on this phone. On a full computer I'd manage it. Using a following h is the best compromise, though.

    • @tarabuses
      @tarabuses 5 лет назад

      I appreciate that but just think the name looks completely different to the loco’s nameplate with the dh and bh.

    • @qwertyTRiG
      @qwertyTRiG 5 лет назад

      @@tarabuses Depends how familiar you are with Irish orthography, I suppose. To me, the Madb version just looks wrong.

  • @evileyeball
    @evileyeball 5 лет назад

    Hello Geoff, We don't have trains where I am so Re: Have an adventure weekend I'm going to try to tick off one of the local bus routes that I have never ridden before. Which for our transit system is maybe a grand total of 2 routes or just slightly more than that but 2 Routes that go to places I haven't been before.
    .

  • @Miner4472
    @Miner4472 5 лет назад +1

    I would of flunked school and walked to larne town to meet them.

  • @lauppfrosch
    @lauppfrosch 5 лет назад

    Thanks for another great video, I count this as my birthday episode 😁 (waiting for it since the 9th) and I'm curious what you plan next after the Ireland trip 🙂

  • @Gregdotgreg
    @Gregdotgreg 5 лет назад +6

    I still call Opal Fruits Opal Fruits too

  • @moritzl7065
    @moritzl7065 5 лет назад

    The whole UK-Ireland railway border thing reminded me of the Plauen-Cheb railway line that runs between Germany and the Czech Republic. Within 20km it crosses an international boundary a total of 7 times! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plauen%E2%80%93Cheb_line

  • @JISJ1964
    @JISJ1964 5 лет назад

    First of all after Cultra was Bangor, didn¨t really see it. Then, I had a friend working at the museum, in the "folk" area and all of a sudden he died. Lesley, You are in my memory.

  • @michaelbruchas6663
    @michaelbruchas6663 5 лет назад

    Those locomotives!!!

  • @danielplayfair3596
    @danielplayfair3596 5 лет назад +1

    Carrickfergus is my town

  • @karenmccausland2618
    @karenmccausland2618 5 лет назад

    If you go back to Bangor you will find a really quaint model shop called the regency gift house

  • @rachelfrodsham8874
    @rachelfrodsham8874 5 лет назад

    Noticed at 2:34 that Dave was so used to seeing the left handed hand shake that he went in with the left and looked a little surprised at first by it being a right handed one

  • @greek9244
    @greek9244 3 года назад

    You were sooo close to my house and about 60 metres away from my friends house I could’ve met you 😭

  • @benwilson9150
    @benwilson9150 5 лет назад

    Translink seems to be a popular name for transport authorities, i now know 3 places using the same name! Norther Ireland, Queensland in Australia and somewhere in Canada

    • @houtbyj
      @houtbyj 5 лет назад

      It's in Metro Vancouver! And I was thinking the same thing!

  • @tommcgrath2496
    @tommcgrath2496 5 лет назад +1

    Was that nirtrainman I saw in that video? Most enjoyable. Thanks.

  • @Hi-by2pt
    @Hi-by2pt Месяц назад

    Belfast great Victoria Street station is now closed and has been replaced by Belfast grand Central Station

  • @bob56gibson
    @bob56gibson 5 лет назад +3

    2 views and 3 likes? More of us should visit NI and The Republic it is probably the friendliest place to stay!

    • @PS-ru2ov
      @PS-ru2ov 5 лет назад

      its fantastic I am bias being from NI myself

  • @rebelcounty2078
    @rebelcounty2078 5 лет назад +5

    Start calling him Rodney please 🤪

    • @AshArAis
      @AshArAis 5 лет назад

      @tinaonions we had it in Ireland in the 90s too

  • @JeSuisRene
    @JeSuisRene 4 года назад

    Have you tried All the Stations Luxembourg, yet?

  • @johnleung6374
    @johnleung6374 5 лет назад +1

    “Let’s do a third!”
    “No.”
    Sad Vicky....

  • @Debbiestrainsandtoys
    @Debbiestrainsandtoys 5 лет назад +1

    Uhh Geoff you should've asked Dave when did the N go missing from the sign outside

    • @bigdmcc1
      @bigdmcc1 5 лет назад

      Unfortunately I have no idea! :-P

  • @markweir2988
    @markweir2988 5 лет назад

    Good video again and shame it will be the last one tomorrow. What's the story with the cat at the end

  • @thomasnorton2679
    @thomasnorton2679 5 лет назад

    9:33, best station in the world

  • @DaveSpathaky
    @DaveSpathaky 5 лет назад

    Oh yes!

  • @danielplayfair3596
    @danielplayfair3596 5 лет назад

    I have been on every single train in Northern Ireland, I get free travel as my dad is a driver and NIR is still government run

  • @4svennie
    @4svennie 5 лет назад

    Question for you Geoff and Vicki. How do you feel about the only foot crossing in London, the one down the alley at Fairthorn Road closing permanently?
    ((it closed yesterday, Saturday 13th of April at 8am))

    • @AllTheStations
      @AllTheStations  5 лет назад

      It's not been closed
      charltonchampion.co.uk/2019/04/11/threatened-angerstein-wharf-foot-crossing-gets-temporary-reprieve

  • @qwertyTRiG
    @qwertyTRiG 5 лет назад

    I'm told that Belfast Central is geographically central, but not close to the area you'd think of as the city centre

  • @ZGryphon
    @ZGryphon 2 года назад

    Oh, _that's_ why people from outside Maine insist on pronouncing our Bangor that way. (Here it has a clearly voiced O. Bang'gore.)

  • @zoesemple3418
    @zoesemple3418 4 года назад +1

    No Whiteabbey?

  • @alexisdespland4939
    @alexisdespland4939 5 лет назад

    are Bangor and Bangor Regis on the south cost the two furthest apart staions with simlar names.

  • @thewiltshiretrainspotter1152
    @thewiltshiretrainspotter1152 5 лет назад

    Can I please have ur opinion on NI because Belfast is always really worth a visit

  • @ahpadt
    @ahpadt 5 лет назад

    Did you do an isle of man stopover back?

  • @joemcmahon3541
    @joemcmahon3541 5 лет назад

    I have not yet seen turnstiles or ticket vending machines in the Northern Island segment, yet there is fencing. How is ticket collection done?

    • @potatopeeler1862
      @potatopeeler1862 5 лет назад

      You either buy a ticket at the Ticket office inside the station or use a smart card and swipe it on a machine. Some stations in Northern Ireland have to ticket office or machine so you pay the conductor on the train and they will issue you with a ticket.

  • @rollingtroll
    @rollingtroll 5 лет назад

    I'm wondering guys, where did you two pick up your cameraperson-capabilities? Some of these shots are done so well, it's way beyond your average vlogger style video, even when they try. Had training in some way that I completely missed out on?
    Also obviously props for the editing crew!

  • @alfreddino2071
    @alfreddino2071 5 лет назад

    All the Castle Museums!!!
    Does it ever exist??..
    XD

    • @wharpblast264
      @wharpblast264 5 лет назад

      York has a Castle Museum. The castle is outside - in the car park.

  • @tarabuses
    @tarabuses 5 лет назад

    When can we see the Whitehead Bonus Video? (impatient!)

  • @GenreFilmsUK
    @GenreFilmsUK 5 лет назад

    Just love your videos. One question - how do you manage to get all your footage back to your editing team and what video and IT kit do you carry with you?

  • @MercenaryPen
    @MercenaryPen 5 лет назад

    World Cup of scenic UK rail lines coming soon?

  • @baldoldbear
    @baldoldbear 5 лет назад +3

    vicky you failed to check geoff's nose before take you know what hes like

    • @briannorbury5444
      @briannorbury5444 5 лет назад

      I think Geoff is old enough to deal with his own bogeys.

  • @crayolacrumboya7650
    @crayolacrumboya7650 5 лет назад

    You are making such a big deal with this Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland seperation.

    • @potatopeeler1862
      @potatopeeler1862 5 лет назад

      That's because it is separate......... Republic Of Ireland then there's Northern Ireland....

  • @MrBook123456
    @MrBook123456 2 года назад

    ​👍​👍​👍​👍

  • @LeoStarrenburg
    @LeoStarrenburg 5 лет назад

    Vicky briefly made me think of William Congreve at 5:45, but everything worked out fine ! Last episode tomorrow ;-((

  • @antifugazi
    @antifugazi 5 лет назад +1

    Big bogey @12:50, may want to edit this bit out.

  • @10lauset
    @10lauset 5 лет назад +1

    Enjoyable video. My Like/Dislike and Share buttons are absent. Comment is better.Cheers

  • @markgaughran4374
    @markgaughran4374 5 лет назад

    It should be Opal Fruits Geoff I agree

    • @RWL2012
      @RWL2012 5 лет назад

      would be wierd if they were still called that now. I was born in the early 90s and they have been Starburst for as long as I remember!

  • @60_Degrees_North
    @60_Degrees_North 5 лет назад +3

    I'm curious. 4:32 Vicky opens up with 'Bangor Castle. Quaintest little sign here. It was completed in 1852 and bought by Bangor Borough Council.'
    Are you referring to the sign or the Castle?

  • @brumsgrub8633
    @brumsgrub8633 5 лет назад

    So you took vicky to Ireland to Bangor

  • @EthanAfro707
    @EthanAfro707 4 года назад

    Can i just say NIR trains look like Class 170/172

  • @michaelenglandme
    @michaelenglandme Год назад

    There is definite beef between Vicki and Dave