Often I'll have discord, Spotify, RUclips, and a few other chrome tabs open on my computer while I'm gaming. Occasionally I'll have photo editing software open simultaneously too, which sucks up ram. That definitely dramatically increases the benefit of 16GB. 8GB is mostly workable, but you have to be much more disciplined in terms of what you leave running on your PC.
i think you can still use spotify+discord+game+browser (without videos playing) with 8 gb if you lower the graphics and have a good enough gpu to prevent ram too much ram build up (happened with games on my old laptop)
Reminds me of an experiment conducted by Techreport that lasted from 2013 through 2015 that constantly wrote to six different ssds; issues only appeared after 200 Terabytes written while finally dying between 600 Terabytes and 2.5 Petabytes. An ssd from a reputable brand is much sturdier than many realize; I run a pagefile on an ssd despite having plenty of ram. As long as one practices good backup habits regardless, running a pagefile on an ssd isn't an issue.
For me, I find that the extra RAM over 8GB is more for general usage as well as gaming rather than to improve gaming experience on its own. Yes, some games will suffer with less than 16GB of RAM but it's not the majority of them if the system is properly configured While I'm sure a lot of people will close down apps here and there to save resources, there are quite a few people like myself who multitasks with browsers, Discord and perhaps a few other apps in the background. 16GB isn't a requirement, but it is what I'd recommend. But if all you have is 8GB because you're waiting for the next bit of extra cash to upgrade, ride on.
For sure. When I game, I also want to talk to my friends with discord and play some music in the background. When I had 8 gb of ram, i was suffering. After upgrading to 16 GB, it was smooth. It's sort of weird to just assume that a lot of modern gamers will only have the game running and nothing else. A lot of us are probably on some type of music playing or at least on a social app like discord or whatnot to amp up the fun.
The page file structure mirrors that of the RAM, using the most popular 4KB page size organization. The access type is mostly random, so from performance point of view it highly benefits to be left on a SSD storage, not HDD, since even a SATA SSD has two orders of magnitude higher random I/O rates, compared to the spinning rust.
@@FacialVomitTurtleFights no just to show all the regular amounts people would have and use in their system. And yes I know 4 is not normal but I would say the same for 32gb. Might aswell test it for shits and giggles,
Thank you for this video.. I'm about to build my first PC and started getting worried when I saw reviews that 2 sticks of 4GB is not good for gaming, which is what I ordered online. Thankfully this video gave me relief. I only plan to play games like Subnautica or Green Hell =)
So if im gaming on 8 gb ram (other 8gb stick stoped worming) with windows installed on my ssd and for example my game is installed on my hdd which benchmark result will I have?
Well, I imagine a GPU with a bigger frame buffer would have to access RAM less often, so it might offer some benefit. Of course, I suspect the Venn diagram of people with high end graphics cards and people without 16GB+ RAM and SSDs in their PCs looks like this: OO
Sorry, I don't think I'll be testing that particular setup any time soon. My focus is on old tech in new games, and Crossfire isn't supported in anything on my current test suite. Never say never, though, and there will probably be a 2022 video on the 270 using NimeZ drivers!
Hello, I actually have an I5-11400F 2.6Ghz with a GTX 1660 SUPER VENTUS and 8gb 1 stick 3200 Mhz and I actually dont even have 100 constant fps do you know why ?
For the longest time before I was able to max out my laptop with an ssd and 16GB of RAM I would use whatever spare flashdrive I could find for the pagefile/readyboost as well as use a 16GB MSATA drive from an old laptop exclusively for the pagefile
It's really cool to see the results of somthing like this. I'd assume a sata SSD instead of nvm would be between the two but closer to nvme also. Depending on how single channel will work out in the future a scrappy budget system using page files(virtual mem) might be a solid solution to get gaming with little compromises. But I think not having dual channel mem will be a issue myself but I'll be looking forward to see what your findings are.
About SSDs for page files. Ive had a few SSDs in my main systems from 2013. I recently replaced those. My Samsung 840 Evo had over 100 TB written/read. It still works fine. The page file thing is over hyped. Yes, it technically does degrade your SSD. But if you have a good quality drive, it wont matter until the point where you want to upgrade anyways.
That’s not guaranteed, no. Games have minimum system requirements, and unless they are particularly basic they will need dedicated graphics processors. At least 8gb of RAM and a solid state drive are very important for gaming, but a dedicated graphics card is most important.
I use a quad channel 8 gigs on ram and while only using an HDD, I don't find it too bad when it comes to combat in God of war 4 pc. It does still make it stutter but its not as bad as a duel channel.
my 8gb experience is really a struggle for me when half of those were for the windows and managing the remaining basically meant not using any browser and playing games at the same time.
Back in year 2015 i got micro stuttering with 8.GB RAM in Batman Arkham Knight and Just Cause 3. Stuttering were gone when in upgraded to 16.GB RAM. This were over 7 years ago. Both of these games needed at least 9-10-GB RAM. Now i have 32.GB RAM, because who knows what's needed on Unreal Engine 5 games etc. I do also use the RAM for some video editing of course.
You don't just need the page file for when your actually using more ram then you have. Memory that program allocate from the OS, but isn't actually used dosn't take up RAM but still uses up system commit and system commit size is limited to RAM + Page file, if system commit ever get's full you start getting out of memory errors and won't be able to start stuff even if you still have free ram.
I have an older rig that sadly im bit struggling to upgrade(it's a long story) but anyway it has 8gb dual channel DDR3 inside and after hearing about the page file i was curious to check how it was setup up for me. So i go research how to find settings for it and i see it set on auto on SSD only(i also have 2x 1TB HDDs for storage and backup) and to my suprise it was set to have like i think ~11GB on SSD which is more than what i have RAM and basically i just lowered it to match my RAM and saved some couple gigs i didn't knew were used on my SSD. I will say that after switching from HDD to SSD the difference was night and day even if the SSD in question is 250GB Crucial MX500 SATA SSD.
Wait so on an SSD if you have 16gigs for example then setting SSD pagefile to 16gigs is optimal over say 8gigs? Btw yes i also use an older DDR3 pc so this will be very helpful if this is the case.
@Neallord Hmm i already set mine to 8gigs manually and honestly did see a gain in programs that use a lot of ram but anything below say 8gigs it's not really a factor.
Can u please tell me which one of the below is best upgrade option, thanks in advance 1. 500gb nvme ssd + 8Gb Ddr4 Ram 2. 250gb nvme ssd + 16Gb ddr4 Ram My current laptop specs i5 8300h + GTX 1050 + 8GB ddr4 + 1TB Sata HDD + free nvme slot ofcourse 😁
It also depends on what games you're even interested in. I only play one game in this video and passed on the rest, mostly interested in older games. If you're like me, sticking with 8gb is fine.
I don't get why it's even a discussion about whether or not to use a pagefile / swap partition. Just set it and leave it alone. It doesn't hurt the system to have it if you don't need it, and if your system was using it, the system needed it anyways. Sometimes you can only tinker with the system so much.
I have 8 gigabytes of RAM and I'm getting 16 tomorrow and I could say it's definitely not good I get studders on games that I can fully run even in older games like Left 4 Dead 2 I tried playing Star wars Skywalker saga and I'm way beyond the recommended requirements and I get a lot of frame drops and stutters I have a GTX 1660 super with 6 GB vram and I5 11400f but I can play Elden ring just fine with a couple of frame drops here and there
I upgraded from a Ryzen 1600 to a 5600 and went from 8GB (3000MHz CL16) to dual with an identical stick. The FPS didn't go much higher due to still using my RX580 (GPUs are almost inaccessible here), but the 1% and 0.1% lows increased DRASTICALLY. On BF1 for example I would get average framerates of 60 to 100, but from time to time it would reach as low as 30-40. After the upgrade, though, it's running at a constant 120fps and it doesn't go lower than 100, the lows are also way higher than before. The weirdness starts with Warzone (the only game which runs worse than before), I had similar numbers as the video with 8GB and an SSD, but after I upgraded the performance went down and now for example before or when dropping to battle (when looking at the rebirth map for example) the fps go even lower than 30 (before I would still get 60+ even when looking at the whole island). I will do a fresh windows install later to see if it fixes my issue. Edit: It did.
@NeallordI watched the video more than thrice, even recommended it to a friend that was only running an HDD. If you properly read the comment then it makes me question whether you watched the video or not, do you know how impactful 1% and 0.1% lows are? Because from what I've read it doesn't seem like you do.
1) May I know what is the price of a GTX 960 and GTX 1060 3gb at the market nowadays? USD equivalent. 2) My Ram dies faster than my hard disks. Granted, I am using 2nd hand Ram and 1st hand SSD through.
Good question! I was gonna make a video on this. I suspect that you only *need* more than 16GB if you want to game with no page file, but I haven’t tested it yet.
@@atifghafoor6258 Windows makes a page file on your storage drive (C: by default) as "virtual RAM". If your system runs out of real RAM it will use the page file instead, so you shouldn't ever actually run out of memory. The downside to this depends on your storage- a fast SSD works okay for page files, but slow hard drives can seriously affect your gameplay. In last year's video I tested out Warzone with 8GB of RAM and a hard drive page file, and it was a nightmare! In reality, 16GB should be enough most of the time, especially with an 8GB graphics card. If you regularly run games with a ton of memory intensive apps in the background, Windows will access the page file more often, and that might affect your frame rate. The obvious solution is... quit Chrome and all your unused game launchers before you start playing!
@@IcebergTech I tend to keep my launchers open from the games I launch and that’s it so borderlands 3 and epic store or rainbow six siege and Ubisoft connect or doom 2016 and steam chrome and everything is closed. 500gb western digital blue ssd and 5tb of slower 3.5 inch hard drives.
8gb is not enough, I actually upgraded from 16gb to 32gb because I was running out of ram while playing VR games. Windows much like chrome has become extremely ram hungry over time just in the background apps it's running.
You unfortunately my motherboard doesn’t have sdd shit but I do have 16 gb ram but that’s one of the last part I can upgrade on my pc so Ill do it for the sake of it
I have an evil idea. Single channel 8 gig RAM. Windows, page file and Warzone all on a single hard drive with no SSD for anything. I just realized someone probably tries to play the game like that. (Assuming it runs.)
If you have: 8GB in PC = Just play games released during PS3 era, do not more than that and most important thing is to stick with windows 10!! Use debloater script, optimize your windows tasks. 16GB in PC = Just play PS4 era games, also needed some minor optimization for your tasks. 32GB in PC = Play PS5 era games,(makre sure to have other capable hardware). So atleast in 2024 or above 32GB is recommended for gaming 😢😢. Also all benchmarkers !! Please upgrade your RAM to DDR5 64GB (16*4) or (32*2) if available.
In most use cases 8gb is more than enough. I have 64gb of ram, and page files are still basically required. The reason I have 64 gb of ram is I make games, so I run a lot of software that uses a lot of ram, and pagefiling in some of those usecases delays things like baked lighting, compiling, rendering, and encoding just too massively. For gaming it is more about the game optimization, there is a lot of factors for ram, speeds, timings, and size and yes obviously the pagefile system.
If I remember correctly, when I bought RAM for my system, the difference in price between 8GB and 16GB was like $20 or $30, so I just got 16GB so I wouldn't have to worry about it or add more later. 8GB is probably just fine the same way that 4c/8t processors are still fine and 4GB of VRAM is still fine. People tend to overestimate their needs and drastically overspend for their use-case. Edit: I just looked, right now it's about a 1-1 scale. 8GB is about half the price of 16GB. I would probably buy 8GB if building today
It actually doesn't get the job done. Theres a ton of games that having 8gb of ram can cause huge stutters. You need to have a 16gb minimum in a gaming PC.
@@FloatingOfficial As stated in the video 8gb is enough for gaming not that a few select games won't use more ram. Like I said 8gb will get the job done but 16gb is better
Lemme make y'all question my sanity, I played some new games on my laptop with 8GB RAM, HDD, and my GPU has... 1GB VRAM. To make things worse, my CPU works with 1.8 GHz
8GB nowadays is a kneecap to any computer, if the owner wants to game the latest AAA titles, they basically have to close down everything, background processes' , chrome just to give that RAM some breathing room😅
As someone that has a i7 7700K machine with 64Gb of RAM and an i9 13900K machine with 128Gb of RAM I can't support anything lower than maximum (although it does suck that XMP doesn't work on DDR5 with 4 modules, but I need the memory bandwidth for non-gaming workflows so I just have to take the L on that)
Reality is. What ever the size of the "GDDR" ram on the dedicated graphics card. The system memory "DDR" should be double. So if you have a 6GB GDDR5 card. You should have 12 GB of DDR4 for system. The math pans out, that this is how it works for proper ram utilization. XBOX series X and PS 5 utilize page file which limits system memory for video memory and access using the ssd drive. Also you should of explained the difference between single rack and dual rack DDR ram as single rack ram accesses the data faster than dual rack improving frame rates as well.
Many of today's gamers have zero clue what it use to be like for gaming. Just a bunch of spoiled brats that absolutely has to have those high FPS for AAA titles at all cost. It's not always about eye candy, real games are supposed to be fun to play, not all about FPS.
I just put together a Kijiji (it's like Craigslist) bargain, a Core 2 Quad Q9550 on an Asus P5Q-E with 8 GB of DDR2 for $50. Also used a 128 GB SATA SSD (limited to SATA 2 speeds), and a 500 GB HDD
This channel deserves more subs, good video.
Agreed very professional I always look forward to these videos
Often I'll have discord, Spotify, RUclips, and a few other chrome tabs open on my computer while I'm gaming. Occasionally I'll have photo editing software open simultaneously too, which sucks up ram. That definitely dramatically increases the benefit of 16GB. 8GB is mostly workable, but you have to be much more disciplined in terms of what you leave running on your PC.
why would you have all of these open in the first place
i think you can still use spotify+discord+game+browser (without videos playing) with 8 gb if you lower the graphics and have a good enough gpu to prevent ram too much ram build up (happened with games on my old laptop)
@@sage_zarf and also you can optimise windows which will help too
i leave a lot of browser tabs open on 8 gigs and yes it does hurt, 7.9 gb memory usage
I think over 16GB is needed, sometimes I see games consuming 20+ GB
Really great video, thank you!
Especially thank you for the paging with HDD part!
your channel is a treasure at this point, and I love the vibes in each of your videos, I even watch them in my work breaks.
cheers
Wow, thank you!
@@IcebergTech i liked the old xeon series stuff, it is excellent (also you must be some kind of wizard for being able to decipher xeon naming schemes)
Answering the hard hitting questions! Keep up the great content good sir! 💪
astonished at the effort in your videos, your defo going somewhere
Thanks a lot for the video, man. Subscribed
Reminds me of an experiment conducted by Techreport that lasted from 2013 through 2015 that constantly wrote to six different ssds; issues only appeared after 200 Terabytes written while finally dying between 600 Terabytes and 2.5 Petabytes. An ssd from a reputable brand is much sturdier than many realize; I run a pagefile on an ssd despite having plenty of ram. As long as one practices good backup habits regardless, running a pagefile on an ssd isn't an issue.
this is what i was looking for thx for tests
After so many videos I found you whit this masterpiece. Thanks man.
For me, I find that the extra RAM over 8GB is more for general usage as well as gaming rather than to improve gaming experience on its own. Yes, some games will suffer with less than 16GB of RAM but it's not the majority of them if the system is properly configured
While I'm sure a lot of people will close down apps here and there to save resources, there are quite a few people like myself who multitasks with browsers, Discord and perhaps a few other apps in the background.
16GB isn't a requirement, but it is what I'd recommend. But if all you have is 8GB because you're waiting for the next bit of extra cash to upgrade, ride on.
For sure. When I game, I also want to talk to my friends with discord and play some music in the background. When I had 8 gb of ram, i was suffering. After upgrading to 16 GB, it was smooth. It's sort of weird to just assume that a lot of modern gamers will only have the game running and nothing else. A lot of us are probably on some type of music playing or at least on a social app like discord or whatnot to amp up the fun.
The page file structure mirrors that of the RAM, using the most popular 4KB page size organization. The access type is mostly random, so from performance point of view it highly benefits to be left on a SSD storage, not HDD, since even a SATA SSD has two orders of magnitude higher random I/O rates, compared to the spinning rust.
A test with Optane memory would interesting since it has amazing random read/write speed.
Nice video!! Forr most scenarios I would have to say that 8GB isn't enough. The majority of the games I play use between 8 and 12 GB of RAM.
Well you probably play the new games. For me I need 8 gigs to play guild wars 2 and all those other old mmo games
Great video!
you should do one of these videos each year. Also with 4,8,16,and 32 gbs of ram just to have the full range
ummmm.... 32gbs? of ram... for gaming? What are you running a couple of vms in the backround or something? Bigger number is not always better.
@@FacialVomitTurtleFights no just to show all the regular amounts people would have and use in their system. And yes I know 4 is not normal but I would say the same for 32gb. Might aswell test it for shits and giggles,
Any chance you could showcase Elden Ring again now that 22.3.2 Nimez drivers have been released?
Thank you for this video.. I'm about to build my first PC and started getting worried when I saw reviews that 2 sticks of 4GB is not good for gaming, which is what I ordered online. Thankfully this video gave me relief. I only plan to play games like Subnautica or Green Hell =)
So if im gaming on 8 gb ram (other 8gb stick stoped worming) with windows installed on my ssd and for example my game is installed on my hdd which benchmark result will I have?
Great video as usual.
Serious question.... would it make a difference if you tried this with a high end GPU?
Well, I imagine a GPU with a bigger frame buffer would have to access RAM less often, so it might offer some benefit.
Of course, I suspect the Venn diagram of people with high end graphics cards and people without 16GB+ RAM and SSDs in their PCs looks like this:
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I moved my pagefile to a HDD (on my laptop). This was more about saving storage on it though.
Great video bro! My favorite vid from you is the r9 270 video. Will you ever do on that but with crossfire?
Sorry, I don't think I'll be testing that particular setup any time soon. My focus is on old tech in new games, and Crossfire isn't supported in anything on my current test suite. Never say never, though, and there will probably be a 2022 video on the 270 using NimeZ drivers!
@@IcebergTech downloading modded drivers makes me feel like a hacker 🤣
can you tell me why didn't you leave the pagefile to auto?
Hello, I actually have an I5-11400F 2.6Ghz with a GTX 1660 SUPER VENTUS and 8gb 1 stick 3200 Mhz and I actually dont even have 100 constant fps do you know why ?
For the longest time before I was able to max out my laptop with an ssd and 16GB of RAM I would use whatever spare flashdrive I could find for the pagefile/readyboost as well as use a 16GB MSATA drive from an old laptop exclusively for the pagefile
It's really cool to see the results of somthing like this. I'd assume a sata SSD instead of nvm would be between the two but closer to nvme also. Depending on how single channel will work out in the future a scrappy budget system using page files(virtual mem) might be a solid solution to get gaming with little compromises. But I think not having dual channel mem will be a issue myself but I'll be looking forward to see what your findings are.
What if the page file is on a sata ssd is it still that bad?
So 16gb quite useless on the low end hardware,like i7 6700hq and gtx 960m if I'm not using anything while playing?
Did you end up making a video on the differeNce between single and dual channel RAM?
Yep:
ruclips.net/video/cfbT03fsDYU/видео.html
About SSDs for page files.
Ive had a few SSDs in my main systems from 2013. I recently replaced those. My Samsung 840 Evo had over 100 TB written/read. It still works fine.
The page file thing is over hyped. Yes, it technically does degrade your SSD. But if you have a good quality drive, it wont matter until the point where you want to upgrade anyways.
I’m curious can you play games on any 8gb ram laptop or does it specifically have to say gaming laptop to play games on it?
That’s not guaranteed, no. Games have minimum system requirements, and unless they are particularly basic they will need dedicated graphics processors. At least 8gb of RAM and a solid state drive are very important for gaming, but a dedicated graphics card is most important.
I use a quad channel 8 gigs on ram and while only using an HDD, I don't find it too bad when it comes to combat in God of war 4 pc. It does still make it stutter but its not as bad as a duel channel.
my 8gb experience is really a struggle for me when half of those were for the windows and managing the remaining basically meant not using any browser and playing games at the same time.
Even if you have 16gb you can't play games with multitasking lol
@FloatSamplesGT710 yup. Absolutely hard to multitask with 16gb nowadays.
I'd like to consider myself pretty knowledgable about tech.. I didn't even know what a page file was till this video.
He is doing a great job 👏👍🏻
Back in year 2015 i got micro stuttering with 8.GB RAM in Batman Arkham Knight and Just Cause 3. Stuttering were gone when in upgraded to 16.GB RAM. This were over 7 years ago. Both of these games needed at least 9-10-GB RAM. Now i have 32.GB RAM, because who knows what's needed on Unreal Engine 5 games etc. I do also use the RAM for some video editing of course.
DDR3 ram?
@@nindschaYTProbably.
You don't just need the page file for when your actually using more ram then you have. Memory that program allocate from the OS, but isn't actually used dosn't take up RAM but still uses up system commit and system commit size is limited to RAM + Page file, if system commit ever get's full you start getting out of memory errors and won't be able to start stuff even if you still have free ram.
I have an older rig that sadly im bit struggling to upgrade(it's a long story) but anyway it has 8gb dual channel DDR3 inside and after hearing about the page file i was curious to check how it was setup up for me.
So i go research how to find settings for it and i see it set on auto on SSD only(i also have 2x 1TB HDDs for storage and backup) and to my suprise it was set to have like i think ~11GB on SSD which is more than what i have RAM and basically i just lowered it to match my RAM and saved some couple gigs i didn't knew were used on my SSD. I will say that after switching from HDD to SSD the difference was night and day even if the SSD in question is 250GB Crucial MX500 SATA SSD.
Wait so on an SSD if you have 16gigs for example then setting SSD pagefile to 16gigs is optimal over say 8gigs? Btw yes i also use an older DDR3 pc so this will be very helpful if this is the case.
@Neallord So 1920mb is the go to on an SSD not 8gigs like usual with HDDs?
@Neallord Hmm i already set mine to 8gigs manually and honestly did see a gain in programs that use a lot of ram but anything below say 8gigs it's not really a factor.
Can u please tell me which one of the below is best upgrade option, thanks in advance
1. 500gb nvme ssd + 8Gb Ddr4 Ram
2. 250gb nvme ssd + 16Gb ddr4 Ram
My current laptop specs
i5 8300h + GTX 1050 + 8GB ddr4 + 1TB Sata HDD + free nvme slot ofcourse 😁
Oh, option 2 definitely. And maybe swap the 1tb HDD for a 1TB+ SATA SSD as your next upgrade!
HEY CAN U DO SINGLE CHANNEL 8GB VS DUAL CHANNEL 16GB IN R5 5600G APU OVERCLOCKED
Good suggestion, I'll look into it!
Is this even a question? I've just had to upgrade to 32gb as my 16 was struggling
hi sir, would you help me? I'd like to ask if 8gb ram is enough for light multitasking just like ms office , browsing 5-7 tabs of chrome, and spotify
Absolutely.
@@IcebergTech thanks!!!
tnx❤
Could you test the difference with Intel optane?
LOL ...
I almost forgot that optane ever existed
2160p ?
It also depends on what games you're even interested in. I only play one game in this video and passed on the rest, mostly interested in older games. If you're like me, sticking with 8gb is fine.
Might be interesting to test a similar thing on linux with swap as Linux performs much better with slower drives due to a more optimized filesystem
I don't get why it's even a discussion about whether or not to use a pagefile / swap partition. Just set it and leave it alone. It doesn't hurt the system to have it if you don't need it, and if your system was using it, the system needed it anyways. Sometimes you can only tinker with the system so much.
I have 8 gigabytes of RAM and I'm getting 16 tomorrow and I could say it's definitely not good I get studders on games that I can fully run even in older games like Left 4 Dead 2 I tried playing Star wars Skywalker saga and I'm way beyond the recommended requirements and I get a lot of frame drops and stutters I have a GTX 1660 super with 6 GB vram and I5 11400f but I can play Elden ring just fine with a couple of frame drops here and there
I upgraded from a Ryzen 1600 to a 5600 and went from 8GB (3000MHz CL16) to dual with an identical stick. The FPS didn't go much higher due to still using my RX580 (GPUs are almost inaccessible here), but the 1% and 0.1% lows increased DRASTICALLY. On BF1 for example I would get average framerates of 60 to 100, but from time to time it would reach as low as 30-40. After the upgrade, though, it's running at a constant 120fps and it doesn't go lower than 100, the lows are also way higher than before. The weirdness starts with Warzone (the only game which runs worse than before), I had similar numbers as the video with 8GB and an SSD, but after I upgraded the performance went down and now for example before or when dropping to battle (when looking at the rebirth map for example) the fps go even lower than 30 (before I would still get 60+ even when looking at the whole island). I will do a fresh windows install later to see if it fixes my issue.
Edit: It did.
@NeallordI watched the video more than thrice, even recommended it to a friend that was only running an HDD. If you properly read the comment then it makes me question whether you watched the video or not, do you know how impactful 1% and 0.1% lows are? Because from what I've read it doesn't seem like you do.
1) May I know what is the price of a GTX 960 and GTX 1060 3gb at the market nowadays? USD equivalent.
2) My Ram dies faster than my hard disks. Granted, I am using 2nd hand Ram and 1st hand SSD through.
Sure. 960 4GBs are available for £100-120 ($130-160) and 1060 3GBs for £140-160 ($180-210) on eBay right now.
Do you need more then 16gb ram if you want to play games at 1440 with a 8gb ram graphics card
Good question! I was gonna make a video on this. I suspect that you only *need* more than 16GB if you want to game with no page file, but I haven’t tested it yet.
@@IcebergTech no idea what a page file is to be honest I have i5 10400f, 16gb ram and a rx 6600 xt
@@atifghafoor6258 Windows makes a page file on your storage drive (C: by default) as "virtual RAM". If your system runs out of real RAM it will use the page file instead, so you shouldn't ever actually run out of memory. The downside to this depends on your storage- a fast SSD works okay for page files, but slow hard drives can seriously affect your gameplay. In last year's video I tested out Warzone with 8GB of RAM and a hard drive page file, and it was a nightmare!
In reality, 16GB should be enough most of the time, especially with an 8GB graphics card. If you regularly run games with a ton of memory intensive apps in the background, Windows will access the page file more often, and that might affect your frame rate. The obvious solution is... quit Chrome and all your unused game launchers before you start playing!
@@IcebergTech I tend to keep my launchers open from the games I launch and that’s it so borderlands 3 and epic store or rainbow six siege and Ubisoft connect or doom 2016 and steam chrome and everything is closed. 500gb western digital blue ssd and 5tb of slower 3.5 inch hard drives.
@@atifghafoor6258 Like I said, I haven't tested this myself yet so I can't be too specific, but it sounds to me like you should be fine as you are!
Imagine having the pagefile on a DVD-RW lol.
Was thinking about trying a USB stick
@@IcebergTech Yeah, or maybe a really slow SD card.
8gb is not enough, I actually upgraded from 16gb to 32gb because I was running out of ram while playing VR games. Windows much like chrome has become extremely ram hungry over time just in the background apps it's running.
meanwhile me using single channel 8 gb ram, hdd and intel uhd grapihics 620
Went to double check how much ram I have = 16gbs... Thought I cheaped out.
You unfortunately my motherboard doesn’t have sdd shit but I do have 16 gb ram but that’s one of the last part I can upgrade on my pc so Ill do it for the sake of it
The difference will be much more in G or H processors where AMD just takes 2GB RAM
I have an evil idea.
Single channel 8 gig RAM. Windows, page file and Warzone all on a single hard drive with no SSD for anything.
I just realized someone probably tries to play the game like that. (Assuming it runs.)
If you have:
8GB in PC = Just play games released during PS3 era, do not more than that and most important thing is to stick with windows 10!! Use debloater script, optimize your windows tasks.
16GB in PC = Just play PS4 era games, also needed some minor optimization for your tasks.
32GB in PC = Play PS5 era games,(makre sure to have other capable hardware).
So atleast in 2024 or above 32GB is recommended for gaming 😢😢. Also all benchmarkers !! Please upgrade your RAM to DDR5 64GB (16*4) or (32*2) if available.
Mean while i have 2 gb ram laptop 💻😢
In most use cases 8gb is more than enough. I have 64gb of ram, and page files are still basically required. The reason I have 64 gb of ram is I make games, so I run a lot of software that uses a lot of ram, and pagefiling in some of those usecases delays things like baked lighting, compiling, rendering, and encoding just too massively. For gaming it is more about the game optimization, there is a lot of factors for ram, speeds, timings, and size and yes obviously the pagefile system.
If you FPS lock to 60 it can mitigate some of the frame stutters.
Forget 8gb in 2022 unless ur just playing retro games like Minecraft dungeons on apu Just like i did with 2400G sff PC
I got 4 DIMM slots so I needed 4 RGB DIMMS.
32 GB or go home....
If I remember correctly, when I bought RAM for my system, the difference in price between 8GB and 16GB was like $20 or $30, so I just got 16GB so I wouldn't have to worry about it or add more later. 8GB is probably just fine the same way that 4c/8t processors are still fine and 4GB of VRAM is still fine. People tend to overestimate their needs and drastically overspend for their use-case.
Edit: I just looked, right now it's about a 1-1 scale. 8GB is about half the price of 16GB. I would probably buy 8GB if building today
Here when one of my ram fucked up :)
The way I see it 8gb will get the job done. But it's better to have 16gb
It actually doesn't get the job done. Theres a ton of games that having 8gb of ram can cause huge stutters. You need to have a 16gb minimum in a gaming PC.
@@FloatingOfficial As stated in the video 8gb is enough for gaming not that a few select games won't use more ram.
Like I said 8gb will get the job done but 16gb is better
Lemme make y'all question my sanity, I played some new games on my laptop with 8GB RAM, HDD, and my GPU has... 1GB VRAM. To make things worse, my CPU works with 1.8 GHz
You don't know how much patience one must have to play with those
If you touch escape from Tarkov you'll hugely notice 8gb vs 16gb, but it's highly CPU and RAM dependent and horribly optimized
Page file is like swap for the Linux people
8GB nowadays is a kneecap to any computer, if the owner wants to game the latest AAA titles, they basically have to close down everything, background processes' , chrome just to give that RAM some breathing room😅
Me 4gbs of ram... Ok interesting !
just upgrade to 16gb people. it costs like 50 bucks to do so it aint bad.
As someone that has a i7 7700K machine with 64Gb of RAM and an i9 13900K machine with 128Gb of RAM I can't support anything lower than maximum (although it does suck that XMP doesn't work on DDR5 with 4 modules, but I need the memory bandwidth for non-gaming workflows so I just have to take the L on that)
The game has Ram requirements and will only use as much Ram as it needs but more Ram will reduce stuttering and increase fluency
No
Tdlr it isnt
Reality is. What ever the size of the "GDDR" ram on the dedicated graphics card. The system memory "DDR" should be double. So if you have a 6GB GDDR5 card. You should have 12 GB of DDR4 for system. The math pans out, that this is how it works for proper ram utilization. XBOX series X and PS 5 utilize page file which limits system memory for video memory and access using the ssd drive. Also you should of explained the difference between single rack and dual rack DDR ram as single rack ram accesses the data faster than dual rack improving frame rates as well.
8GB is better than 16GB in 2024
8GB is not even enough on phone gaming anymore 😂 12GB is the minimum for gaming phones.
Many of today's gamers have zero clue what it use to be like for gaming. Just a bunch of spoiled brats that absolutely has to have those high FPS for AAA titles at all cost. It's not always about eye candy, real games are supposed to be fun to play, not all about FPS.
World of tanks
Ninja theory video games are cool
Ninja theory video games are cool (ninja)
You know 5600G is on board graphics? G is for GARBAGE lol!
I just put together a Kijiji (it's like Craigslist) bargain, a Core 2 Quad Q9550 on an Asus P5Q-E with 8 GB of DDR2 for $50. Also used a 128 GB SATA SSD (limited to SATA 2 speeds), and a 500 GB HDD
16gb is useless for normal garmers 8 gb not enough 12 gb is the sweet spot