Go to tryfum.com/HIDDENXPERIA and use code HIDDENXPERIA to save an additional 10% off your order today. #ad Did the Flood cure ever exist? Was it ever used? Is there a modern Halo universe equivalent? Today, we answer all of that and more...
No cure I think the flood pulled back cause it knew if Humanity AND the forerunners worked together they'd lose but as for a cure I would imagine yes but it would mean humanity would evovle and become stronger and more advanced than the feral flood precursors flood, but I do not think the FLOOD itself is the test. the flood are more what happens when the precursors were wiped out and corrupted by anger
For real. Halo been dark since 2013 and the only ones keeping it alive are the content creators, lord knows 343 is doing nothing. Halo died at the end of H3 and that’s my head canon
Probably the Flood's greatest example of their strategic acumen. There was never a cure, but feinting towars there being one preserves humanity, provides a sense of complacency with the Forerunners, regrouping their forces in unknown space and could be revealed later by the Primordial to weaken morale. All in 1 move
I also like to think it might have been the flood who made a cure should it exist... So like the biblical flood it consumes everything then purges itself and makes an "Eden" possibly just to use as a honeytrap.
@@HiddenXperia Love the Video, but is it Not uncertain that Humanity was supposed to inheret the Mantel, But since "Infinite" the Salanin? Was this not to spite the Salanin to Tell the Humans they are the reclaimers of the Mantel?
I want someone to do a video about what the universe would look like if the Didact had succeeded in convincing the ecumene to go with his Shield World plan rather than going with the Halo Array
@@anmolpatel793 I dunno man. Imagine a Shield World project where the Builders, Warrior Servants, and Lifeworkers came together to build the shield worlds. All the resources that went towards creating the Halo's would've gone to the shield worlds. The Didact wouldn't have been corrupted by the logic plague. I think it's a "What if?" Scenario worth thinking about lol
What about Sergeant Johnson? He was, effectively, immune to Flood infection as a result of the Orion Spartan modifications to his body. Theoretically, that iteration of the augmentations WAS the cure/vaccine for Flood infection due to how messed up his neutral pathways were, IIRC.
Johnson's kind of a red herring in that regard, he's not immune and he's not even resistant, it's just that the ORION project altered his genetic make up so much that the Flood simpler to infect hosts instead of him, kinda like how in World War Z the infected choose not to infect people with terminal illnesses because it's more beneficial for them to infect a healthy host
I don’t think I have ever looked at your subscriber count 😂 I could’ve sworn you were already at a million. Been watching you for a few years now. Thanks for the epic content. Halo was my entire childhood.
Haha thanks man. The last 2 years since Infinite launch stagnated all of our growth like crazy but the last few months we seem to be finally breaking out of that stagnation and back into growth which is great to see
@@HiddenXperiai think with the infinite...."let down" people have been staying away from halo. BUT I am more than certain with Helldivers 2 being basically ODST. And other Halo things happening around the web.(Marty O'Donnell trying his hand at politics) The fans are slowing opening back up to Halo content. Maybe with the death of Rooster Teeth. A different company will take up the Red vs Blue IP and try again. I'm always down for more Halo anything.
100%, id play Halo at least once a day every single day since halo ce, then came Halo 4 and I was slightly annoyed at the massive inconsistencies, but i slogged through it... then we got 5 and I almost gave up entirely... then we got infinite and ive quit it. @@bombomos
If there is a cure, my guess is that only the Precursors themselves have it. And they aren't willing to share it. Unless the final test for the Mantle of Responsibility is that cure. Humanity passes the test and the Flood never return. That could be interesting. Unless the Didact just unearthed something by curing his Logic Plague. New theory video ideas are always welcome. Another great Flood video Xperia. Always love watching your Flood related videos.
My head cannon is since the precursors are basically 4-dimensional beings and live on a higher realm, you’ll need a “4 dimensional” cure as well. You can’t cure a disease from a reality that’s higher than your own. Which means, like you said, only the precursors could cure it.
Humans faced The Flood by sacrificing some of them and their planets for the sake of the rest, understanding how unavoidable of a fate it was. Forerunners faced The Flood by sacrificing the whole galaxy before letting themselves die. The Precursors' choice to give humans The Mantle made so much sense.
The Flood is an organism, I've seen some people ask why there can't be a cure, but to best break it down in simple terms: You can't *cure* a Zebra that's been eaten by a Lion, the same way you can't *cure* someone whose been consumed by the Flood. Key word there: consumed. Even though the Flood doesn't digest its food like a normal organism, it uses it completely just the same. Instead of taking your nutrients and discarding the rest as waste, it uses *everything* and repurposes your biomass as anything it wants. If your arm was to somehow get 'infected' by the Flood but not you, there is no 'your arm' left, it's Flood biomass.
The cure would be an immunity to Flood infection. Inoculate your entire population to be immune to flood infection and they wouldn't be able to replenish their numbers.
you know.. far as intentional outbreaks go.. from the more recent Halo Infinite side story about Saturn, we do have a flood infested ship roaming somewhere in space. will we see it again in the form of the true test starting, will it just be a passing mention?
It's likely never coming up again because it's unlikely to have actually escaped. No gravemind means combat forms can't drive vehicles and since that story was before infinite there would have been a flood outbreak before infinite's story started.
@@AxisChurchDevotee no gravemind just means they are feral, they don't need to don't the ship to drift for a few years, decades even then crash on some backwater world.
@@MstrGalzraVoid It wouldn't be able to use the ship at all due to the complexity of it. Combat forms can't do anything strategic or complex without a keymind.
@@AxisChurchDevotee i just stated they don't need to actually use the ship. It's the flood, they can stay in a dormant feral state for decades. They can just float through space until someone finds them or they crash into something.
@@MstrGalzraVoid No I mean the ship is unlikely to have even taken off. Combat form can't do anything complex like that. Without a keymind they are just in "Attack and infect anything" mode.
I hope the Ancient Humans stay super mysterious. With the Precursors gettin quite a bit of exposition lately, not knowing something about the pre purification galaxy is valuable.
I would like a horror game involving the flood. Instead of playing as a Spartan or an ODST, you play as a regular ordinary person. Being so vulnerable would take what's already a horrific threat and makes it even more threatening. Maybe have it be one of ONI's several failed experiments on the flood.
Never been able to quite understand this part of the lore. Ancient humanity, hyper advanced, almost comparable to the forerunners... "Hey I have an idea, let's feed the mystery dust that came from those mystery ships to our dogs. Seemed fine when we tested it"
Imagine what halo would have been like if those early humans had decided to burn that supposedly “harmless “ space powder instead of feeding it to their alien space dogs?
“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist” I recently re-read the Forerunner trilogy and I’m convinced that the Flood convincing them that there was a cure was their greatest trick. Another great video man, I love these deep dives and theories taken from the books and presented like this, keep up the good work.
@@markricheard1870 the cure hasn’t been discovered yet. And the quote was about misdirection and being able to get people to believe what you are trying to get them to believe. Also I know the devil isn’t real, and the Flood aren’t either
Wait it not only takes over the body but imbeds itself into the soul of a being. Dude that's beyond terrifying your alone with this other being inside your mind and one with your soul
Worse that if your family also consumed by the parasite it uses them against you. Torturing you forever, the halo were a great weapon against the flood.
If there ever was or will be a cure, I'd imagine it wouldn't be able to reverse/restore the host infected due to the sheer damage done to their bodies (liquified organs, broken limbs, tendrils sticking out of everything, etc.). If anything, all the cure would do is simply kill off the flood super cells in the body as well as severing the connection the flood has with the hosts body, which even then would just leave behind a rotting corpse.
I have a theory, which may be opposed by other lore pieces, but I'd like to share it. What if the ancient Humans were deemed worthy of the Mantle by The Flood, which is why they were left alone? I know it's an outlandish theory, but please hear me out. We know that The Precursors deemed humanity worthy, but maybe there were some who, after becoming The Flood, wanted to see how humanity would fare in an open conflict to prove themselves worthy of holding the Mantle. Perhaps during the War, humanity did something that proved their worthiness, and that's why The Flood chose to leave them alone and slowly withdraw. But when the Forerunners went on a genocidal campaign against humanity, that was the final straw for The Flood. The Precursors grew tired of the Forerunner Empire's arrogance and their lust for absolute power, so they unleashed pure horror, the likes of which the Forerunners had never seen before. We can always chalk up what The Primordial stated as a way to mess with them since why would it reveal its true plans? The Precursors existed for an untold amount of time and likely came from another plain of existence, so why would they reveal their true plan? I don't know, but I thought it could be an interesting theory that some may like. Edit: I started writing this before i finished the Video since i didn't want to loose my train of thought so it's bit similar to what's said later on but this was written before hand.
Oh and a new idea. So you make a planet that has floating cities and the atmosphere is just a glassing beam that got stretched across the "planet" aka The glassing beam bubble.
Interesting that I never got a RUclips notification for this, despite the fact that I’m subscribed with notifications on. I wouldn’t have seen this if it wasn’t for the discord notification. Is this a problem anyone else is having?
There's a very high likelihood that you've been subscribed long enough that the algorithm has stopped showing you the videos and/or notifying you. It's happened on a few other channels that I follow.
@@TravlerBlue I’ve been subscribed for longer than I can remember, so that makes sense. Come to think of it, I think Xperia might’ve been the first person I subscribed to when I made this account.
Though once you get infected wouldnt reversing it kill you if you didnt die during transformation that is. Cuz your body is all mangled and deformed so i dont think curing it can happen. But inmmunization i think would be possible
My headcanon about the Flood is that when the Ancient Humans talked with the last Precursor, he told them that Humanity and all life in the galaxy's only purpose was to feed the Precursors with their precious life experiences. All the hope, dread, hate, love, anger and peace that each being feels is nothing more than a hearty meal for the Precursors to devour. And the Precursors create scenarios to feed on particular emotions and experiences, resetting the galaxy to begin anew for when they tire of the current one. And the current scenario that the Precursors were craving was the dread, hopelessness, and insanity inducing fear that the Flood create. I don't blame those Ancient Humans for committing mass self deletion upon hearing this truth, for what more could you hope to live for if your life's experiences was engineered to be nothing more than food for such eldritch beings?
"what more could you hope to live for if your life's experiences was engineered to be nothing more than food for such eldritch beings?" "Killing them for doing it, then being free of them." is the answer to that. To be fair, not everyone would take that response, and it's clear none of the researchers had the fighting spirit to take that response.
I don’t think there is another well “flood” unless another group of precursors turned themselves to dust and became flood. But I think the flood is the result of something happening to these dust form precursors.
I could be entirely wrong, but isnt the Reason Sgt. Johnson survived Alpha Halo is because of his Spartan 1 Augmentations? The Flood seemingly either wanted nothing to do with him or his skin was so thick they couldnt penetrate it with their tentacles. I always wondered why that wasnt studied more and then tried to be put to use in efforts to contain/eradicate the flood
have ya done a video breaking down all the religious symbolism and why it is there? Does it serve a purpose or is it just a vibe? flood, halo, prophet, etc. obvii some sort of critique on using religion to obtain some goal.
I think the precursor’s final test might involve one of the strongest in humanity’s ranks being devoured and learned from to better challenge humanity, like a spartan infected by the flood and managing to escape to use its spartan knowledge to better accumulate power.
Wasn't Sgt. Johnson immune or at least resistant to the Flood? In Halo: First Strike, which details John's return from Installation 04 to Earth in between Halo CE and Halo 2, if we recall correctly Dr. Halsey analysed Johnson and deduced that the Flood HAD tried to infect him, but it didn't take and all the Flood cells in his body just...died
the test is that you have to become a transcendent teir 1 species to excape the flood similar to how the halos dont kill the flood because they are beyond nervous systems, which is also what the flood feeds on.
Didn’t Sgt. Johnson get some kind of resistance from his augmentations of the spartan 1 project? (I know it’s not technically spartan 1 I just can’t remember what it was called)
Well im theory the flood only moves because the primordial directed it to. The flood is a fletching version of the primordial. All the forerunners did by destroying "the last of the primordials" was cause a slight very heart felt detour. Like the primordials are those people who get a call on their way home from work and the girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, husband, ect, breaks up with them. And the primordial some how manages not to yank the wheel to the side, and eventually put their life back together better than before. Of course were talking about an interaction between two people and a cosmic entity that so happened to "seemed" like it got eradicated. Longer story shorter. The primordial was just set back a couple of steps in whatever it was doing. Humanity is a part of what the primordial is doing. The forerunners got in the way. The primordials will make it seem like there coming for the forerunners just for the forerunners to crush themselves under their own ignorance and paranoia. While feeding humanities flame that can only be described in thes few words. "AGAINST ALL ODDS" and much like preparing for a final test in school. There are pre tests. Well practice tests and study material. What we have seen so far the waves of flood coming and going. Practice test. Research on flood infestation such as infected individuals and most valuable pure forms as their directly connected to the genetic coding. Leading to counter measures Such as attempting to freeze the ever changing biology of a group of flood by exposing them to the medusan toxin. Original i know. Moving on... Study material. Must i go on.
It would be illogical to assume "passing the test for the mantle" if such exist, that it would be through defeating an enemy, such triviality proves nothing more than military prowess, a stupidity that the forerunners used to almost defeat ancient humanity, and in the end themselves as well. (edit); also, the precursors are returning in Halo lore, returning or "has always been there", which could disprove or alter the whole idea of "the mantle" perhaps to just being some misunderstanding by the forerunners, as clearly the forerunners towards the last tens of thousands of years before 102k bc had started to ignore what "the mantle" meant, and only use the phrase to justify in reality committing acts that goes against it.
I always thought it would be interesting if someone who is already being affected by the flood got hit by the composer and when they were made as a Promethean it turned into a unique strain of the infection
Making a ‘cure’ for the flood sounds a lot like making a ‘cure’ for the fungus in The Last Of Us: it’s not something that you can just cure. At most: you can possibly make someone immune to the spore and maybe unusable (not unkillable) for infection forms to turn them into combat forms, like the ancient humans did (though wether the bodies could still be used for biomass I have no idea).
I feel like the Forerunners really dropped the ball on this one. Any amount of scientific due diligence would have prevented the Flood from becoming a problem in the first place, and failing that glassing the planet from orbit seems to work pretty well. Glass it, crack it, hurl the chunks into a star.
Sgt. Johnson in halo combat evolved developed immunity because of a illness caused by a type of radiation which was somehow cured by a flood infection form
I’ve been catching up on as much Halo lore as I can. The games were all I knew, and the more I learn, the more I’m like “Jesus actual Christ, how long has every species just completely hate and nearly destroyed humanity??
Its criminal we go to ZETA HALO and get no Flood. It would have been the perfect backdrop the get the ball rolling the Precursors final test and obtaining the Mantle. Instead we get some bs hamfisted new Harbinger species or whatever. Infinite disappointment
"What If" - The final test for "The Mantle of Responsibility" were to find a way to fix the decaying Precursors matter and restore them back to their former selves. The force to bring them back gets the reward.
I feel like the spartan 1 program had it right . Johnson couldn’t get physically infected… at least not when he’s alive. But having a cancer that kills infection really easy would help.
I’m curious if after the flood win they will turn back into their precursor forms and reseed the galaxy to further enrich the galactic consciousness’s experience
This is a long shot, but what if the Didact still remains infected? Perhaps the infection is remaining dormant inside him, because he is doing exactly what the flood want?
10:35 does this mean that the flood could potentially infect ghosts or spirits? And just to be clear I'm talking about the paranormal type ghosts, NOT the type of vehicles.
Halo seems to have an afterlife. Forerunners have to find their way into the Domain after death. They exist in an afterlife state until they do so. So, spirits do actually exist in the Halo Universe. They couldn't be infected physically. Maybe they are still susceptible to the Logic Plague.
Ancient human researchers: "After a thorough analysis of the unknown alien powder we've concluded that it contains no contaminates and presents no exposed threat. *Let's feed it to the doggos!* " 😂 wtf
Johnson's lore has undergone different renovations. I think initially it had something to do with a scrambled nervous system, which is the primary vector for infection forms. Then he was made a Spartan 1 and that was the reason. After that I lost track and interest.
Maybe if you could perfect compose process to move someone’s mind to a physical organic body to remove them from a combat form that may work but depends on if you can extract the host consciousness from the flood form.
I wonder if the Prometheans could be logic plagued, I feel like they could be since forerunner AI could be and physical forerunners could be too. And if they were able to be plagued it makes me wonder if it would be possible to do what the Chimera Wendigos do and use its plagued consciousness to infect other Promethean's consciousness. Essentially creating an army of flood controlled synthetic warriors
My guess is that there are those Immune to the Flood--SPECIFICALLY the hybrid beings The Libararian created with her genesong seeding (like Chief). We know he is both human & forerunner & yet, as the Librarian said, something that will evolve beyond either. And if that evolution's eventual end is Transcendence, which is humanity's god-given right to aim for on their great journey in this Universe, then it ONLY makes sense that the various evolutions of beings destined to Transcend (seeded Beings, most likely) would lead to an Organism yet to transcend but also immune to the flood parasite (since the evolutionary process is trying to produce an Organism capable of surviving long enough to eventually achieve Transcendence). Some food for thought. Great video man absolutely loving the continued halo content esp lore and theory stuff keep up the amazing work!!! Edit: The Composer point you made ties to this too because if you remember the Librarian recomposed John to forcefully activate all the genesong potential she seeded within him, meaning either the combination of the two could be the key to Flood immunity, or that the peak activation of the genesong yields Flood immunity.
It wasn't until someone pointed out that the infection forms are the size of dogs that it dawned on me they're the descendants of those doglike creatures ancient humans had fed those spores to.
Yes, but that was a freak accident due to the treatment he received during Spartan 1 program. Dr. Catherine Halsey even stated that it could be nearly impossible to replicate. So a one in a million chance isn’t really a cure.
Since they are beings with control over time and space what if the precursors never actually became corrupted and this is part of their plan. They are pretty patient after all.
Ah I don’t agree with the final test not being 2 and 3 (well not fully it may not It be I may be very wrong) because we know that more than one species can see the future so why could the Gravemind not have been set in place directly or indirectly for humanity
That's a good point! Yes, the flood that were released on the Halos were an accident, indeed. But? Sure, maybe one that factors in to some degree. Maybe something like extra credit lol I still do want to know what "exactly" the librarian did to Chief. Something tells me she did more than render him immune to the composer. She said she unlocked something hidden in humans. No doubt the old genetic information that was locked away from humans, before the, essentially, retardation of humanity but what exactly that means? I'm not sure. Perhaps something closer to the precursors? Maybe? Does it, for instance, render Chief immune to the effects of Halos firing off? Were he to manually arm them? Perhaps other Forerunner or precursor based technologies? I figure it's got to be big. Is he essentially immortal? I mean, sure he may be able to die from battle but not from age? Maybe it slows aging and/ or increases strength? That sort of thing. I mean, the librarian spent eons digitized and doing nothing but learning, kind of like Cortana but even more so.
I think I liked it better when forerunners were ancient humans. I don't know. I guess it made me believe we were special. If you had to make the Forerunners their own species, I think it could have been cool if Spartans were part Forerunner and even made Master Chief a descendant of the Didact. Now we have "343 Guilty Spark was was an ancient human" and other things. Master Chief being part Forerunner giving the idea of genetic markers was a plot point I always liked, but I think theu abandoned it. I mean in Halo2, an original plot point was that the Arbitor found a foerunner sarcophagus with ancient human bones in it.
Honestly, i believe the Outbreak for the Flood, i can imagine the gameplay of that is like Halo Infinite to travel to different planets to somewhat cleanse the planet and / or solar system. I mean, think about it.. now the introduction of the Zalanyn (i dont know how to spell it). Can you imagine their interaction with the flood? That would be terrifying... a true test
I feel like a cure would be a huge plot hole the first thing you see when someone turns into a flood. Is there head fault off and then be caught by their shoulder. If you were to take care of this person, you would have to put all of the vital organs back together and in the right places. This would be a long and costly operation not just an injection or 2. But I do think that something that stops you from turning into a flood after breathing and spores or big infected by a flood seed is possible
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Did the Flood cure ever exist? Was it ever used? Is there a modern Halo universe equivalent? Today, we answer all of that and more...
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Nice video, but I still think my favourite flavor is oxygen.
No cure I think the flood pulled back cause it knew if Humanity AND the forerunners worked together they'd lose but as for a cure I would imagine yes but it would mean humanity would evovle and become stronger and more advanced than the feral flood precursors flood, but I do not think the FLOOD itself is the test. the flood are more what happens when the precursors were wiped out and corrupted by anger
Fine, I'll sub for the flood lore. Wish 343 gave a single shit about it.
*Body gets mutilated, transformed, controlled and broken apart*
Forerunners: Yeah that's fixable
Nothing a bit of hardlight can't fix
Have some faith goddamnit!
Ancient humanity used Vicks and chanted "sana sana colita de rana" cure, and the Forerunners were baffled by this.
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Thanks for supporting the Halo community through all its ups and downs bro, keep doing what you're doing.
For real. Halo been dark since 2013 and the only ones keeping it alive are the content creators, lord knows 343 is doing nothing. Halo died at the end of H3 and that’s my head canon
What ups?
Halo wars 2 was good though
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Probably the Flood's greatest example of their strategic acumen. There was never a cure, but feinting towars there being one preserves humanity, provides a sense of complacency with the Forerunners, regrouping their forces in unknown space and could be revealed later by the Primordial to weaken morale. All in 1 move
500IQ play tbh
@@HiddenXperia
Takes the phrase "galaxy brain move" to a whole new level, a literal one 😂
I also like to think it might have been the flood who made a cure should it exist... So like the biblical flood it consumes everything then purges itself and makes an "Eden" possibly just to use as a honeytrap.
@@HiddenXperia Love the Video, but is it Not uncertain that Humanity was supposed to inheret the Mantel, But since "Infinite" the Salanin? Was this not to spite the Salanin to Tell the Humans they are the reclaimers of the Mantel?
Dang, that's pretty clever. Sheesh.
Give the Gravemind a snickers bar. He's normally pretty chill when he's not hungry.
Lol
Gravemind: *I do need to eat more greens.*
Guy named Snickers:
Ah yes, the one true cure for the Flood. Diabeetus.
I want someone to do a video about what the universe would look like if the Didact had succeeded in convincing the ecumene to go with his Shield World plan rather than going with the Halo Array
All the shield worlds that have been discovered yet have been overrun by the flood so there you have your answer
@@anmolpatel793 I dunno man. Imagine a Shield World project where the Builders, Warrior Servants, and Lifeworkers came together to build the shield worlds. All the resources that went towards creating the Halo's would've gone to the shield worlds. The Didact wouldn't have been corrupted by the logic plague.
I think it's a "What if?" Scenario worth thinking about lol
@@anmolpatel793 what about requiem? genesis too
@@anmolpatel793I legitimately do not know the answer to this but wouldn't they be overrun by the flood because theres no one there to defend them?
"Trove" shield world 459 had a flood free interior as the sentinels did not overextend themselves.
I'd call that a success.
What about Sergeant Johnson?
He was, effectively, immune to Flood infection as a result of the Orion Spartan modifications to his body.
Theoretically, that iteration of the augmentations WAS the cure/vaccine for Flood infection due to how messed up his neutral pathways were, IIRC.
Johnson's kind of a red herring in that regard, he's not immune and he's not even resistant, it's just that the ORION project altered his genetic make up so much that the Flood simpler to infect hosts instead of him, kinda like how in World War Z the infected choose not to infect people with terminal illnesses because it's more beneficial for them to infect a healthy host
I thought his DNA was scrambled when a nearby case of plasma grenades detonated, the radiation basically frying him
@@mousecyr01he can still be used for biomass like everything else. There’s just better hosts present at the time.
@@HiddenXperia Holy that explains it just like jackles and grunts. The infection needs to get worse before they go for Johnson... Huh fascinating
@@mousecyr01that's the official cover-story provided by ONI as to Johnson's condition.
The "cure" requires that we throw Master Chief into the beam of a Halo. It'll make the energy green, and the Flood will stop being jerks.
Them being mean and bullying me was my biggest issue with the flood tbh
The real question is whether Ashley or the Kaidon survives.
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I'll show my self out.
"... stop being jerks."
To put it mildly.
Nice mass effect reference
@@MatthewJamesKalasky "Understatements" are the best statements.
I don’t think I have ever looked at your subscriber count 😂 I could’ve sworn you were already at a million. Been watching you for a few years now. Thanks for the epic content. Halo was my entire childhood.
Haha thanks man. The last 2 years since Infinite launch stagnated all of our growth like crazy but the last few months we seem to be finally breaking out of that stagnation and back into growth which is great to see
@@HiddenXperiai think with the infinite...."let down" people have been staying away from halo.
BUT I am more than certain with Helldivers 2 being basically ODST. And other Halo things happening around the web.(Marty O'Donnell trying his hand at politics) The fans are slowing opening back up to Halo content.
Maybe with the death of Rooster Teeth. A different company will take up the Red vs Blue IP and try again. I'm always down for more Halo anything.
100%, id play Halo at least once a day every single day since halo ce, then came Halo 4 and I was slightly annoyed at the massive inconsistencies, but i slogged through it... then we got 5 and I almost gave up entirely... then we got infinite and ive quit it. @@bombomos
me to i thought he had10 mil
As much as I appreciate the deep lore, I often miss the mystery of the flood and the Forerunners that Bungie had set up.
If there is a cure, my guess is that only the Precursors themselves have it. And they aren't willing to share it. Unless the final test for the Mantle of Responsibility is that cure. Humanity passes the test and the Flood never return. That could be interesting. Unless the Didact just unearthed something by curing his Logic Plague. New theory video ideas are always welcome.
Another great Flood video Xperia. Always love watching your Flood related videos.
My head cannon is since the precursors are basically 4-dimensional beings and live on a higher realm, you’ll need a “4 dimensional” cure as well. You can’t cure a disease from a reality that’s higher than your own. Which means, like you said, only the precursors could cure it.
Well the precursors ARE the flood... So I highly doubt any fire exists
Humans faced The Flood by sacrificing some of them and their planets for the sake of the rest, understanding how unavoidable of a fate it was.
Forerunners faced The Flood by sacrificing the whole galaxy before letting themselves die.
The Precursors' choice to give humans The Mantle made so much sense.
The Flood completely steamrolled the forerunners, while The Flood pulled some punches while on earth.
The flood hates the Forerunners because of there selfishness and ego
Still doesnt make sense why the forerunners wouldnt save their species which is why the "forerunners are aliens" retcon makes no sense.
@@bruhgod123 ego + hubris = destruction
@@unrulybot1352 That still doesnt explain why the Forerunners didnt save their species.
This man and installation 00 are my only hope to keep Halo's Story alive
The Flood is an organism, I've seen some people ask why there can't be a cure, but to best break it down in simple terms: You can't *cure* a Zebra that's been eaten by a Lion, the same way you can't *cure* someone whose been consumed by the Flood. Key word there: consumed. Even though the Flood doesn't digest its food like a normal organism, it uses it completely just the same. Instead of taking your nutrients and discarding the rest as waste, it uses *everything* and repurposes your biomass as anything it wants.
If your arm was to somehow get 'infected' by the Flood but not you, there is no 'your arm' left, it's Flood biomass.
The cure would be an immunity to Flood infection. Inoculate your entire population to be immune to flood infection and they wouldn't be able to replenish their numbers.
You're one heck of a story teller, effortlessly keeping it interesting and gripping.
ayyy appreciate that chief! I spend ages writing vids so this means a lot :)
you know.. far as intentional outbreaks go.. from the more recent Halo Infinite side story about Saturn, we do have a flood infested ship roaming somewhere in space. will we see it again in the form of the true test starting, will it just be a passing mention?
It's likely never coming up again because it's unlikely to have actually escaped. No gravemind means combat forms can't drive vehicles and since that story was before infinite there would have been a flood outbreak before infinite's story started.
@@AxisChurchDevotee no gravemind just means they are feral, they don't need to don't the ship to drift for a few years, decades even then crash on some backwater world.
@@MstrGalzraVoid It wouldn't be able to use the ship at all due to the complexity of it. Combat forms can't do anything strategic or complex without a keymind.
@@AxisChurchDevotee i just stated they don't need to actually use the ship. It's the flood, they can stay in a dormant feral state for decades. They can just float through space until someone finds them or they crash into something.
@@MstrGalzraVoid No I mean the ship is unlikely to have even taken off. Combat form can't do anything complex like that. Without a keymind they are just in "Attack and infect anything" mode.
Graveminds statement at the end of Halo 3 also implies that what we've seen so far wasnt the true test
I hope the Ancient Humans stay super mysterious. With the Precursors gettin quite a bit of exposition lately, not knowing something about the pre purification galaxy is valuable.
I would like a horror game involving the flood. Instead of playing as a Spartan or an ODST, you play as a regular ordinary person. Being so vulnerable would take what's already a horrific threat and makes it even more threatening. Maybe have it be one of ONI's several failed experiments on the flood.
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Never been able to quite understand this part of the lore. Ancient humanity, hyper advanced, almost comparable to the forerunners... "Hey I have an idea, let's feed the mystery dust that came from those mystery ships to our dogs. Seemed fine when we tested it"
next video idea were there any marine survivors on delta halo
besides the ones with johnson and if any were on the in amber clad when it was infected
The cure is being a badass. That's why Johnson never got infected.
Imagine what halo would have been like if those early humans had decided to burn that supposedly “harmless “ space powder instead of feeding it to their alien space dogs?
“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”
I recently re-read the Forerunner trilogy and I’m convinced that the Flood convincing them that there was a cure was their greatest trick.
Another great video man, I love these deep dives and theories taken from the books and presented like this, keep up the good work.
But the cure did exist and the devil doesn’t so
@@markricheard1870 the cure hasn’t been discovered yet. And the quote was about misdirection and being able to get people to believe what you are trying to get them to believe. Also I know the devil isn’t real, and the Flood aren’t either
Wait it not only takes over the body but imbeds itself into the soul of a being. Dude that's beyond terrifying your alone with this other being inside your mind and one with your soul
Worse that if your family also consumed by the parasite it uses them against you. Torturing you forever, the halo were a great weapon against the flood.
If there ever was or will be a cure, I'd imagine it wouldn't be able to reverse/restore the host infected due to the sheer damage done to their bodies (liquified organs, broken limbs, tendrils sticking out of everything, etc.). If anything, all the cure would do is simply kill off the flood super cells in the body as well as severing the connection the flood has with the hosts body, which even then would just leave behind a rotting corpse.
the cure could just mean inoculation, not whole reversal of a flood form.
I have a theory, which may be opposed by other lore pieces, but I'd like to share it. What if the ancient Humans were deemed worthy of the Mantle by The Flood, which is why they were left alone? I know it's an outlandish theory, but please hear me out.
We know that The Precursors deemed humanity worthy, but maybe there were some who, after becoming The Flood, wanted to see how humanity would fare in an open conflict to prove themselves worthy of holding the Mantle. Perhaps during the War, humanity did something that proved their worthiness, and that's why The Flood chose to leave them alone and slowly withdraw. But when the Forerunners went on a genocidal campaign against humanity, that was the final straw for The Flood. The Precursors grew tired of the Forerunner Empire's arrogance and their lust for absolute power, so they unleashed pure horror, the likes of which the Forerunners had never seen before. We can always chalk up what The Primordial stated as a way to mess with them since why would it reveal its true plans? The Precursors existed for an untold amount of time and likely came from another plain of existence, so why would they reveal their true plan? I don't know, but I thought it could be an interesting theory that some may like.
Edit: I started writing this before i finished the Video since i didn't want to loose my train of thought so it's bit similar to what's said later on but this was written before hand.
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Oh and a new idea. So you make a planet that has floating cities and the atmosphere is just a glassing beam that got stretched across the "planet" aka The glassing beam bubble.
Interesting that I never got a RUclips notification for this, despite the fact that I’m subscribed with notifications on. I wouldn’t have seen this if it wasn’t for the discord notification. Is this a problem anyone else is having?
There's a very high likelihood that you've been subscribed long enough that the algorithm has stopped showing you the videos and/or notifying you. It's happened on a few other channels that I follow.
@@TravlerBlue I’ve been subscribed for longer than I can remember, so that makes sense. Come to think of it, I think Xperia might’ve been the first person I subscribed to when I made this account.
I would love to see you cover the X Parasites from Metroid
This is was an unexpected but incredibly informing video. Scary to think what the Flood represent!
Though once you get infected wouldnt reversing it kill you if you didnt die during transformation that is. Cuz your body is all mangled and deformed so i dont think curing it can happen. But inmmunization i think would be possible
Yes that's more of what the Forerunners were expecting something that could prevent infection not nessecarilly reverting those already infected
I’ve never played any of these games, but I find these videos super interesting. It’s like listening to lore from a story I’ve never read.
My headcanon about the Flood is that when the Ancient Humans talked with the last Precursor, he told them that Humanity and all life in the galaxy's only purpose was to feed the Precursors with their precious life experiences. All the hope, dread, hate, love, anger and peace that each being feels is nothing more than a hearty meal for the Precursors to devour. And the Precursors create scenarios to feed on particular emotions and experiences, resetting the galaxy to begin anew for when they tire of the current one. And the current scenario that the Precursors were craving was the dread, hopelessness, and insanity inducing fear that the Flood create. I don't blame those Ancient Humans for committing mass self deletion upon hearing this truth, for what more could you hope to live for if your life's experiences was engineered to be nothing more than food for such eldritch beings?
"what more could you hope to live for if your life's experiences was engineered to be nothing more than food for such eldritch beings?"
"Killing them for doing it, then being free of them." is the answer to that. To be fair, not everyone would take that response, and it's clear none of the researchers had the fighting spirit to take that response.
I wonder if the Flood from other galaxies would work with the Flood from the Milky Way or if they would attempt to take them over.
I don’t think there is another well “flood” unless another group of precursors turned themselves to dust and became flood. But I think the flood is the result of something happening to these dust form precursors.
I have a question. What if Arbiter and Johnson had managed to get through to Tartarus on Delta halo?
I could be entirely wrong, but isnt the Reason Sgt. Johnson survived Alpha Halo is because of his Spartan 1 Augmentations? The Flood seemingly either wanted nothing to do with him or his skin was so thick they couldnt penetrate it with their tentacles. I always wondered why that wasnt studied more and then tried to be put to use in efforts to contain/eradicate the flood
have ya done a video breaking down all the religious symbolism and why it is there? Does it serve a purpose or is it just a vibe? flood, halo, prophet, etc. obvii some sort of critique on using religion to obtain some goal.
I think the precursor’s final test might involve one of the strongest in humanity’s ranks being devoured and learned from to better challenge humanity, like a spartan infected by the flood and managing to escape to use its spartan knowledge to better accumulate power.
Wasn't Sgt. Johnson immune or at least resistant to the Flood? In Halo: First Strike, which details John's return from Installation 04 to Earth in between Halo CE and Halo 2, if we recall correctly Dr. Halsey analysed Johnson and deduced that the Flood HAD tried to infect him, but it didn't take and all the Flood cells in his body just...died
the test is that you have to become a transcendent teir 1 species to excape the flood similar to how the halos dont kill the flood because they are beyond nervous systems, which is also what the flood feeds on.
In your opinion who would win: The Imperium of Man or the Covenant before the Banished formed?
All this effort and Sgt Johnson has incredibly high resistance to infection because his nerves were so screwed up.
Didn’t Sgt. Johnson get some kind of resistance from his augmentations of the spartan 1 project? (I know it’s not technically spartan 1 I just can’t remember what it was called)
Borens syndrome
"You thought me defeated?"
Well im theory the flood only moves because the primordial directed it to. The flood is a fletching version of the primordial.
All the forerunners did by destroying "the last of the primordials" was cause a slight very heart felt detour.
Like the primordials are those people who get a call on their way home from work and the girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, husband, ect, breaks up with them. And the primordial some how manages not to yank the wheel to the side, and eventually put their life back together better than before. Of course were talking about an interaction between two people and a cosmic entity that so happened to "seemed" like it got eradicated.
Longer story shorter.
The primordial was just set back a couple of steps in whatever it was doing.
Humanity is a part of what the primordial is doing.
The forerunners got in the way. The primordials will make it seem like there coming for the forerunners just for the forerunners to crush themselves under their own ignorance and paranoia.
While feeding humanities flame that can only be described in thes few words.
"AGAINST ALL ODDS"
and much like preparing for a final test in school. There are pre tests. Well practice tests and study material.
What we have seen so far the waves of flood coming and going. Practice test.
Research on flood infestation such as infected individuals and most valuable pure forms as their directly connected to the genetic coding. Leading to counter measures Such as attempting to freeze the ever changing biology of a group of flood by exposing them to the medusan toxin. Original i know. Moving on... Study material. Must i go on.
Oh man a halo tv show explaining things like this would be epic, halo is a vast universe. It has the potential to be the next star wars if done right
It would be illogical to assume "passing the test for the mantle" if such exist, that it would be through defeating an enemy, such triviality proves nothing more than military prowess, a stupidity that the forerunners used to almost defeat ancient humanity, and in the end themselves as well. (edit); also, the precursors are returning in Halo lore, returning or "has always been there", which could disprove or alter the whole idea of "the mantle" perhaps to just being some misunderstanding by the forerunners, as clearly the forerunners towards the last tens of thousands of years before 102k bc had started to ignore what "the mantle" meant, and only use the phrase to justify in reality committing acts that goes against it.
I love watching your videos on the flood, truly fascinating finally learning more about them.
Infected Spartans, “living weapons of humanity” was likely intentional by ONI. The test has begun.
Wait the Flood can infection your soul too?? Why aren’t more people talking about that? That’s utterly terrifying.
I always thought it would be interesting if someone who is already being affected by the flood got hit by the composer and when they were made as a Promethean it turned into a unique strain of the infection
Making a ‘cure’ for the flood sounds a lot like making a ‘cure’ for the fungus in The Last Of Us: it’s not something that you can just cure.
At most: you can possibly make someone immune to the spore and maybe unusable (not unkillable) for infection forms to turn them into combat forms, like the ancient humans did (though wether the bodies could still be used for biomass I have no idea).
I feel like the Forerunners really dropped the ball on this one. Any amount of scientific due diligence would have prevented the Flood from becoming a problem in the first place, and failing that glassing the planet from orbit seems to work pretty well. Glass it, crack it, hurl the chunks into a star.
Sgt. Johnson in halo combat evolved developed immunity because of a illness caused by a type of radiation which was somehow cured by a flood infection form
Not technically, he’s just MUCH much harder to infect.
I’ve been catching up on as much Halo lore as I can. The games were all I knew, and the more I learn, the more I’m like “Jesus actual Christ, how long has every species just completely hate and nearly destroyed humanity??
Literally never played any of these games but fascinated by the story.
Its criminal we go to ZETA HALO and get no Flood. It would have been the perfect backdrop the get the ball rolling the Precursors final test and obtaining the Mantle. Instead we get some bs hamfisted new Harbinger species or whatever. Infinite disappointment
still wondering if the ORION program mods were the secret ingredient for ONI to cook
"What If" - The final test for "The Mantle of Responsibility" were to find a way to fix the decaying Precursors matter and restore them back to their former selves. The force to bring them back gets the reward.
I feel like the spartan 1 program had it right . Johnson couldn’t get physically infected… at least not when he’s alive. But having a cancer that kills infection really easy would help.
I’m curious if after the flood win they will turn back into their precursor forms and reseed the galaxy to further enrich the galactic consciousness’s experience
This is a long shot, but what if the Didact still remains infected? Perhaps the infection is remaining dormant inside him, because he is doing exactly what the flood want?
Quick, but horrifying question. What does rampancy actually do to an AI and how does it manifest in the various types of AI?
This is why Savathun saw salvation in humanity and instead of the death chorus, she chose the anthemic light
10:35 does this mean that the flood could potentially infect ghosts or spirits? And just to be clear I'm talking about the paranormal type ghosts, NOT the type of vehicles.
Halo seems to have an afterlife. Forerunners have to find their way into the Domain after death. They exist in an afterlife state until they do so. So, spirits do actually exist in the Halo Universe. They couldn't be infected physically. Maybe they are still susceptible to the Logic Plague.
Covenant flood ghosts aren't real, they can't hurt you
Covenant Ghost: starts gurgling and speaking in Iambic pentameter
@@spacebacon7184 welp I guess I better grab my sage LMAO 😂
The flood can infect living time. They can infect reality itself once they become powerful enough. A mere ghost is no challenge.
@@QueenOfLatex true, I mean even technology isn't even a problem
Ancient human researchers:
"After a thorough analysis of the unknown alien powder we've concluded that it contains no contaminates and presents no exposed threat.
*Let's feed it to the doggos!* "
😂 wtf
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Maybe that final test was way back in the Ancient Forerunner/Humanity days?
Also, wasn't SGT Johnson immune??
Johnson's lore has undergone different renovations. I think initially it had something to do with a scrambled nervous system, which is the primary vector for infection forms. Then he was made a Spartan 1 and that was the reason. After that I lost track and interest.
Never dawned on them that the Flood was smart enough to ignore Humans for some strange reason and not that humans had a cure.
Wow man your videos are so cool
I think "Spartan I" genetic procedures may be a key to developing flood immunity
Maybe if you could perfect compose process to move someone’s mind to a physical organic body to remove them from a combat form that may work but depends on if you can extract the host consciousness from the flood form.
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I wonder if the Prometheans could be logic plagued, I feel like they could be since forerunner AI could be and physical forerunners could be too. And if they were able to be plagued it makes me wonder if it would be possible to do what the Chimera Wendigos do and use its plagued consciousness to infect other Promethean's consciousness. Essentially creating an army of flood controlled synthetic warriors
They aren't smart enough. Logic plague only works on intelligent entities.
The Flood chose to not infect the humans initially because they were originally the favorites. 😂 fantastic
My guess is that there are those Immune to the Flood--SPECIFICALLY the hybrid beings The Libararian created with her genesong seeding (like Chief). We know he is both human & forerunner & yet, as the Librarian said, something that will evolve beyond either. And if that evolution's eventual end is Transcendence, which is humanity's god-given right to aim for on their great journey in this Universe, then it ONLY makes sense that the various evolutions of beings destined to Transcend (seeded Beings, most likely) would lead to an Organism yet to transcend but also immune to the flood parasite (since the evolutionary process is trying to produce an Organism capable of surviving long enough to eventually achieve Transcendence).
Some food for thought. Great video man absolutely loving the continued halo content esp lore and theory stuff keep up the amazing work!!!
Edit: The Composer point you made ties to this too because if you remember the Librarian recomposed John to forcefully activate all the genesong potential she seeded within him, meaning either the combination of the two could be the key to Flood immunity, or that the peak activation of the genesong yields Flood immunity.
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Where does that black and white footage at the beginning of the video come from?
It wasn't until someone pointed out that the infection forms are the size of dogs that it dawned on me they're the descendants of those doglike creatures ancient humans had fed those spores to.
What about avery Johnson? A flood infection form found his nervous system impossible to turn. It's how he survived.
Yes, but that was a freak accident due to the treatment he received during Spartan 1 program. Dr. Catherine Halsey even stated that it could be nearly impossible to replicate. So a one in a million chance isn’t really a cure.
Since they are beings with control over time and space what if the precursors never actually became corrupted and this is part of their plan. They are pretty patient after all.
Ah I don’t agree with the final test not being 2 and 3 (well not fully it may not It be I may be very wrong) because we know that more than one species can see the future so why could the Gravemind not have been set in place directly or indirectly for humanity
Dr. Halsey would use Flood Cure Research as an excuse to make more illegal flash clones. Lol. 😂
Hey HiddenXperia, i am looking for that video that you showed in the intro but i can't find it, do you know the name of that video or terminal?
That's a good point! Yes, the flood that were released on the Halos were an accident, indeed. But? Sure, maybe one that factors in to some degree. Maybe something like extra credit lol
I still do want to know what "exactly" the librarian did to Chief. Something tells me she did more than render him immune to the composer. She said she unlocked something hidden in humans. No doubt the old genetic information that was locked away from humans, before the, essentially, retardation of humanity but what exactly that means? I'm not sure. Perhaps something closer to the precursors? Maybe? Does it, for instance, render Chief immune to the effects of Halos firing off? Were he to manually arm them? Perhaps other Forerunner or precursor based technologies? I figure it's got to be big. Is he essentially immortal? I mean, sure he may be able to die from battle but not from age? Maybe it slows aging and/ or increases strength? That sort of thing. I mean, the librarian spent eons digitized and doing nothing but learning, kind of like Cortana but even more so.
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I could have sworn Johnson was immune to the Flood due to his Spatan 1 augmentations. Wouldnt that count as a partial cure or something?
Could be but never been tested and how the flood ravages everything.
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I think I liked it better when forerunners were ancient humans. I don't know. I guess it made me believe we were special.
If you had to make the Forerunners their own species, I think it could have been cool if Spartans were part Forerunner and even made Master Chief a descendant of the Didact.
Now we have "343 Guilty Spark was was an ancient human" and other things.
Master Chief being part Forerunner giving the idea of genetic markers was a plot point I always liked, but I think theu abandoned it.
I mean in Halo2, an original plot point was that the Arbitor found a foerunner sarcophagus with ancient human bones in it.
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Honestly, i believe the Outbreak for the Flood, i can imagine the gameplay of that is like Halo Infinite to travel to different planets to somewhat cleanse the planet and / or solar system. I mean, think about it.. now the introduction of the Zalanyn (i dont know how to spell it). Can you imagine their interaction with the flood? That would be terrifying... a true test
I feel like a cure would be a huge plot hole the first thing you see when someone turns into a flood. Is there head fault off and then be caught by their shoulder. If you were to take care of this person, you would have to put all of the vital organs back together and in the right places. This would be a long and costly operation not just an injection or 2. But I do think that something that stops you from turning into a flood after breathing and spores or big infected by a flood seed is possible
If there is a cure, I worry what would happen is ONI had their hands on it
OMG, has anyone tried using a composer on the flood?
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Bro I’m at the beginning this better not be the ancient human thing where they thought it worked but the flood was just messin with em