The First Goths
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
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We will upload videos with historical content, the subjects will be from ancient times until early modern times, we will be mainly focusing on important kings, emperors, generals and tribes.
This video covers the story of the First Gothic tribes that made their way in to the Roman empire in the first centuries AD, their epic journey is filled with battles, raids and interaction with other civilisations. In the next parts we are going to talk about the different paths of the Visigoths and the Ostrogths, as they succeeded the first Goths after the invasion of the Huns. I hope you enjoy the video. Feel free to subscribe, more videos are coming soon!
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1:43 - Correction 'Greuthungi' = Gruethungi
6:44 - Red color = Eastern Roman Empire
Orange color = Western Roman Empire
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Rome: You took everything from me.
Goths: I don't even know who you are
Celts: [thumbs up in the background]
Celts:
WE ARE AVENGED!
@@elgranlugus7267 The visigoths that destroyed the Roman Empire in 410 are getae dacians( as Iordanes says) thus, quite celtic.
Alaric, Athanaric, names ending in ric, are celtic like the gauls names ending in rix.
*Franks cut of celts thumb*
My teacher told us to look at this
Wow, I'm honored! :)
Sameee
Hello everyone! Regarding the comment I made about the Scandinavian origin of the Goths, I said it is ''hardly believable'', that was a wrong choice of words. What I meant to say was that we are not 100% sure yet if their culture started developing in:
1) Scandinavia,
2) The region of today's border between Poland and Germany
3) The Vistula river in Central Poland
Of course, since the Goths were a Germanic tribe, their ancestors in the Bronze Age lived in Scandinavia. However, during the Iron Age the Germanic tribes expanded further south developing many new different sub-cultures. The Romans began mentioning the Goths in their texts around the 3rd century A.D. so it is difficult to know if they crossed the Baltic Sea at that time or if their culture developed within the region of the Bronze Age southern Germanic cultures.
You've heard of the Scandinavian island of Gotland, yes?
I hope that genetics one day will expose all historical facts. Visual river always been inhabited by Slavic tribes not Germanic tribes and by logic if Gots were fighting against Romans so it is more likely that they were Slavic. Germans and Romans were Celtic people and Germany was always extension of Roman Empire. Eastern Germans have Slavic DNA so they are Slavic people as well who at some point of the history were Germanised.
Goths maintained ties to Scandinavia while they were in the Roman Empire and many even returned there after the Byzantines expelled them from Italy.
@@malaxes boy you got it twisted
@@malaxes Slavs are just Celts mixed with later Iranians, Germanics are the decendants of the European Hunter gather peoples.
New genetic evidence proves they have thier origins in Scandinavia
And Central European ancestry
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In the oral tradition Wisigoths and Ostogroths described themselves as coming from Gaut, their main god, father of both branches. We have gothic sources in latin and even latin sources that talk about the origins of the Goths, the most known goth writer is Jordanes, inspired by Cassiodorus, they talk about 'Scandza' or 'Scandia' to describe Scandinavia (see Orosius, another writer). They retrace the goths to Gotland and Öland in Scandinavia, "Gotaland" (Goth land) which gave Catalunya, it's Gothia Nuevo, the new Goth or the new Goth land. Just like we would say the new world for the americas.
(Also see Strabon and Tacitus)
There's still stuff to be researched and digged up, but we have pretty good feedback from most writers and from etymology study.
The funny thing is that Gotland gave Catalunya, and Oc languages (catalan and occitan), O is how we say 'yes' in Oc languages (catalan yes used to be O as well), Gaul languages were separated in two groups, Oïl and Oc (which is how we use to say 'yes' or 'oui' in both parts). I'm not sure if ò also written òc have tongue origins or roots in Öland (Ö-land), would have to ask linguists, unclear origins. But it's still an interesting fact.
@@gallici-anima-christianaWrong if you think the occitan its from Gotland.
The visigoths are romanian, the getae dacians. They werent germanic, but became religious missionaries and got to convert the germanics.
Iordanes says it, the visigoths and the gepids are getae dacians and thats why my ancestors, the visigoths, named Sweden, Denmark and Finland, Dacia.
The getsi, guttones, etc from Gotland, Iirdanes says they are the getae dacians. There is also the daikones in Gotland, literally the dacians.
And the visigoths are not germanics. They spoke vulgar latin like the romanian language is today. They are celts, thracians dacians. The thracians are the oldest celts.
Visigoths grew vineyards( non germanic) and if you see those vings on their helmets? Those are celtic, just like the gauls had.
In Romania we officially reject the visigoths. We say,, those were some migratory tribes from far away,,. But in reality it was our ancestors.
Romanians like Rome, Emperor Trojan is even on our anthem and we cant be proud of the visigoths that destroyed the Roman Empire.
And the romans, are also celts. The etruscans and the trojans, founders of Rome, were celts and related to thracians.
The way the goths attacked the Roman Empire seems to be just a continuation of the Geto-Dacian style of war. Almost every year, the southern Danube Roman province Moesia was plundered by Dacians, especially during the winters when the river's waters were frozen. Also, the scorched earth tactic was used by Romanians against Ottomans many times starting with the 14th centuries. I feel somehow that the history of Dacians did not end with the defeat from 106. According to the modern history Dacians simply vanished and this is weird.
@Just Man Of course not. This is your hate speaking. Ignorant head.
@@romaniaplus On contrary. Your hate is speaking
Nobody vanish
They move and get other names
Fascinating. Im shocked its possible to even raid in conditions cold enough to freeze rivers
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Still trying to convince my wife to name our firstborn Alaric or Theodoric
Gonna name mine Athanaric.
While I too am an avid late-antiquity, early-medieval enthusiast, I have to recognize when something is too "nerdy" and based solely one my individual interests. Naming my kid Alaric is would be disregarding the potential disdain he might carry over into adulthood. Maybe try the more contemporary Theodore?
While there may not be a sign in Scandinavia that says Goths started here, you can be sure that an elite core of the tribe probably did in fact emigrate from Southern Scandinavia, maybe even Gotland. Yeah they picked up people along the way but certainly their origin was as their legends state.
Funny you mention this. There actually IS a "sign", of a sort, which says "The Goths came from here". In Gotaland, there are rune stones dating from the Viking Age, which state that many centuries before, Gotaland became overpopulated, and a third of the people had to pack up and leave the island. According to this legend, the descendants of these people came to live in Southeastern Europe. Furthermore, scientists have examined the remains of Visigothic nobles from Spain and have found strong genetic links to Northern Europe and Scandinavia. Honestly, at this point it's obvious that, at least, the original/elite classes of Goths came from Scandinavia. I don't know why historians are so in denial about this.
The Goth leadership has been described as a Germanic military elite, if I am not mistaken becoming a clear distinction after separating into Ostrogoths and Visigoths. A lineage apparently descended from Amal "the favored"' later produced the Ostrogoths king of Rome Theodoricus. Fritigern, who like Cniva earlier destroyed a Roman army and two (2) emperors was a Balto, as was Alaric who sacked Rome in 410., followed by Ataulf his brother.
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I was taught that the Goths probably all came from the Baltic island Gota. The only hardly believable thing about this is that the Goths were so numerous, it’s hard to imagine such a large group, spreading almost all over Europe, coming from a single, not very large, island.
Do you mean the island of Gotland, as other people have suggested? I believe that ''hardly believable'' was a wrong choice of words, I should have just said that we are not certain of that yet (I was also reffering to the wider region of Scandinavia, not the island specifically). You are right about the number of people on the island though, but it could be possible that the people who came from this island formed an elite class and ruled over the tribes they came upon, spreading the Gothic culture in that way. This is also similar to how the Kievan Rus elites ruled their lands.
The goths didn’t migrate out of southern Sweden in a singular event, it was a gradual and slow process, many even remained on the island itself.
@@CarvedStones Yep. However, these frequent migrations probably inspired the later legend of the migrations from Gotaland, and Southern Sweden. Incidentally, there was a legend, documented many years later, during the Viking Age, which spoke of a massive migration from Gotaland, towards southern Europe. This was probably a later retelling of the origins of the Goths. Oh-and finally, archaeologists conducted genetic studies on the remains of Visigothic nobles buried in Spain. They found genetic links to Scandinavia.
@@wilb6657 I know the goths were talked about in a few stories in the Norse sagas but can’t remember which, either fighting against the Huns or their migration.
And yep, small pockets of gothic dna can be found mostly in central and northern Spain/Portugal where the reconquista began. Even some of that dna can be found in Latin American like in the Caribbeans and Mexico! Which concludes that they basically became hispanicized and intermarried with the locals.
@@CarvedStones Yep, the Visigoths DEFINITELY became "Hispanicized" and blended into the locals, Although, Spanish History likes to credit them for beginning the Reconquista. Did you know that, judging by paternal, Y-DNA, 15 percent of the Iberian genome is Scandinavian/Gothic? I'm surprised it's that high!
Am I hallucinating? Only 145 subs?
Its because he is making this all up. Well not all up. Most of this up. The Goths and Barbarians claimed that took Rome and all of Europe where the Israelites. Specifically Tribe of Judah. They didn't lose a single battle. They slaughtered all the Romans that went against them and then conquered all of Europe and that became the reign of King James from the Tribe of Judah. Gods clan of Kings.
The first goths were thracians and were from Balkans. They live in territories around river Dunabe.
According to greeks (famous greek writers and historicians ) goths know too as Geths are thracians that speak thracian language and have the same culture and thraditions like other thracians!
I am the visigoth from Buzau( the capital of the visigoths and where Ulfillas wrote invented the runes and the gothic language to write his bible.
We are absolutely non germanic but thracian.
Visigoths grew wineyards wich is not part of germanic coulture.
You are right!
And the reason in Romania we dont recognise the visigoth are our ancestors, is because they had an heretic type of christianity and also because they destroyed the Roman empire.
Romanians like the Trojans column and we dont want the guilt of destroying the Roman Empire.
Ulfillas was thracian from Moesia in Bulgaria so again, not germanic ethnicity.
@@mihaiilie8808the only germanic tribe in carpathian region of that time where the bastarns. Their culture was described being celt and germanic in the same time. They came from the Danish regions, so that is not an coincidence that the nederlanders' ethnicity is Dutch (phonetically "daci"). But, the thracian were south (right) side of Danube and they were of Iranian culture with the elements of semitic culture/genetic that they caught from their way to balcans. The north (left) side of danube were the scitians/sarmatians with an iranian culture but with the elements from their way. So, there are the historical writings of sarmatians fighting the new comers "bastarns". With the time they associated themselves against the romans and later against the other germanic tribes goths and gepids.
Maybe the bastarns called themselves "geats", and there would be confirmed the Jordanes writing from 6th century, and the association with the sarmatians was reflected in the name of the capital: Sarmizegetuza (sarmats-ze-gets), "ze"="dhe" being "and" conserved by the balcanic language - albanian.
@@mihaiilie8808The Goths, and after they separated the Ostrogoths and Visigoths, who attracted other tribes, some germanic and some Slav were always ruled by two Germanic military elite clans, the Amal (Ostrogoth) and the Balto (Visigoth). The language they spoke was a Germanic tongue, and so are the documents they left in Spain, in German. The Goths origins are traced back to the Southern part of what we call Sweden. The Goths never destroyed the Roman Empire, not even Alaric who sacked the city in 410. The damage was slight, and furthermore he was a Christian and did not touch the churches. Read your history instead of repeating hearsay. My great grandmother descended from both Goth ruling clans.
@@AntonioPeralesdelHierro You dont know the visigoths.
The oldest visigoths appear in south Romania, where i live.
Romania back then was named Dacia, Ulfillas is frim Bulgaria, the capital of the visigoths is my city, Buzau.
@@AntonioPeralesdelHierro My dacian ancestors, the visigoths, named Sweden, Denmark and Finland, Dacia.
Dacia is in Romania. You dont know history of my ancestors.
The dacians, visigoths are alao named getae, or getsi.
Getae, getsi, dacians, all come from Romania. The getsi, guttones, Daikones, tribes from Gotland, are a colony of dacians from Romania, in Sweden.
I don't think it's hard to believe they came from Scandinavia and Sweden.
Yeah there's some very close connections to sweden and their religion. They weren't exactly the same but from what was written they had similar gods with similar names ect
@@NamelessViking01Similar names? 😂
Iordanes tells you straight that the gotsi, gutones, Daikones from Gotland are the getae-dacians.
Ulfillas wasnt germanic but thracian from modern day Bulgaria.
Alaric, Athanaric, names that end in ric, are celtic( thracian) thus non germanic.
And the visigoths grew wineyards as you can see on Athanaric treasure, wich its 100% not culturally germanic trait.
On top of that, they named Sweden, Denmark and Finland, Dacia, in official documents.
Because they were dacians, just like Iordanes says.
Others argue the goths are one of the 10 tribes of Israel
Wow !!!
So let me get this straight, the goths took over Dacia, Italia and Hispania. So can Romanians, Italians and Spaniards claim a part of their descent from them?
Here is something else, the Goths created Gallacia and Asturias Spain, who's decedents also immigrated to Sinaloa, Mexico in the 1900s.
The visigoths went to spain after sacking rome
The huns are vikings are not germanicos
The dacians were from the area
Is written in greek history
These that they called goths are vikings and huns
Yes
Yes, Spaniards the most.
@@chrissithlord4760 Interesting didn’t know that.
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They are born in sweden en they died in spain what an incredible history
Spending most of their history in Ukraine, the less known part haha
They not died.
They didn’t die, they just got assimilated into the Iberian genepool.
jat is original word .
masse gate = maha jat . mahajat called goths in europe.
There is both genetic, linguistic, and archeological evidence of Scandinavian origin. Their Scandinavian origins are not conclusive you mean?
Not sure why your videos dont have more views, but I hope your release more content!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you liked the video! Of course, more videos are coming soon! Stay tuned
@Costea Bogdan skolitoi gonna scythia
It just takes a while, one day this great channel will explode with viewers.
I am also gath(jats)
From india
They are saka saithian people in
In india
We came here 100b.c. in india
From capsion sea to bactriya
After india
Saka era clander authorised by govt of India 1942 is running
Lol
Scitians sakha is going in India in 350 not 100after drew out of Trajan from dacia Transylvania sakha was turcic iranic Tajik mix bactrya
@@vatossureno is truth but not in 100but in 350sakha was going in India and Nepal south east Asia to tamill and Indonesia cambodja
@@vatossureno Tamil chola was best warrior of India nepaly Assam and naga they mix with Scitians sakha is truth punjaby and gujarii was turkhis iranic rullers
@@vatossureno in India stationed all warrior of the world even huns heptalite second tribe of attyla
Just discovered your channel and am impressed with your videos. Well researched and I applaud you for posting the correction to your statement on the Goths' original homeland. Most producers don't own up to their mistakes.
One small item I noticed (though I might simply have heard it wrong!) - did I hear you refer to the area north of the Black Sea as 'Syria', rather than 'Scythia'?
whatever... keep up the great work!!
Thank you for your kind words! I'm sorry about the late reply, I am facing some problems in my personal life and I have not logged in for some time now but I will eventually continue making videos. To answer your question, I am reffering to Scythia, it's just that I am not pronouncing the ''c''.
statistics of DNA tests show 18% of people in Hispania has scandinavian and Baltic DNA, I guess where it come from... I am native from Iberic peninsula, made the my heritage test and 8,1% Scand. and 5% Balt. after I download the DNA raw data to DNA.Land they spot the sacadinavian % in Norway,that confuse me, and Baltic states they increase the %,they gave me extra 9% of north slavic and extra 4% of north eastern Ukrain, that confuse me a lot. maybe Vandals DNA ???
DNA is interpreted, and interpretations are subjective. Different companies give different and contradicting results, so they're garbage, and can't tell you more than common sense, such as "You are Germanic" if you are obviously Germanic. They tend to tell everyone there is a bit of Jewish in them. That's some subtle Zionist propaganda. Yo soy íbero de la estirpe original.
@@scintillam_dei Iberian people certainly have Germanic bloodlines. El Cid comes to mind, but even modern day average citizens.
@@sirmatatyahu1261 You could tell El Cid came from visigothic lineage.
It's "hardly believable" 0:20
We say Asiatic tribesmen walked a landbridge across Russia into modern-day Alaska or sailed down along the coast of North America as far as California, yet those same experts who accept this deny that the Germanic peoples happened to come from Scandinavian isles and cross a Baltic Sea that was something like 1/1000000th as large as the territory those Asiatics had covered - even when everything already points to the Goths coming from Scandinavia (genealogy via Haplogroup Q, language, historical accounts). "Nope, didn't happen" LOL.
Basically this is like the opposite of the big H-o-caust: rather than accepting historiography as truth no matter what contradicts it, we are rejecting historiography as truth regardless of all that affirms it. The hangup seems to be not a fact itself, but that people don't like the Scandi connection because it seems "too Nazi" for there to be a link between the Germanic world and the Scandinavian one, since it is something that was part of Nazi folklore. Heaven forbid one develops an interest in symbols, runes and sagas that were all part of the armory of iconography under Captain Hitler, especially as any sort of understanding and identity other than "hominid" could result in people seeing themselves as something uniquely "northern" and being against letting in infinite African migrants. Actually you'd think under the circumstances the powers that be would actually be emphasizing that the Germanic/Northern peoples were from Scandinavia so as to emphasize that they were migrants themselves once, too. But I guess it's hard to backtrack once you have your foot dug in and invested in the "we must negate whatever the Nazis said" strategy. So tired of the psychosis. Aren't your "experts" the same people who laughed at the Nazis digging in the Middle East and Asia looking for the roots of Caucasians, only to now claim those ideas as their own? Again, not historians. Nazi-negationists. Our new religion.
you need to chill bro
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You got it right
@@lolatyoulol you just want the current disinfo and discouragement of europeans and most likelly especially north europeans to continue aswell as the pencilsucking of any other peoples. Their claims about themselves and others are 100 times more far fetched than the this data about scandinavians but everyone just gathers up to hold hands and relish it(propaganda about themselves and slander about others such as europeans and especially northerners or times when europe was dominating) no matter what bcs it feels good like a cult to them to slowly chip away against the europeans whom they hate and envy
Are goths and Indian jats the same ?
I heard that they were same make a video on that
It was hardly believable that goths came from southern Scandinavia until DNA tests revealed they were mostly haplogroup I1 and matched very closely to Scandinavians and northern Germans.
Those skeletons tested are of the late goths.
If we test the first goths(visigoths) in Romania you will see that they were dacians not germanics.
But why test the skeletons when Iordanes tells they are dacians, and they did named Sweden,Denmark and Finland, Dacia 😂.
Have you heard of the Daikones from Gotland? Means the dacians.
@@mihaiilie8808 the gothic language is linguistic evidence that the goths harbored a bunch of Germanic peoples or were very much so.
@@CarvedStones Gothic language was invented by a non germanic, in order to spread christianity to the germanics.
Look at Athanaric treasure from my city, to see the visigoths grew wineyards wich is not germanic coulture.
And the vultures from the treasure, are cinereous vultures that didnt even existed in Sweden, or in a more northern place than South Romania and Bulgaria.
Trust Iordanes if you like the goths.
The bird is the Raven of the original Danish flag 'Ravnefanen' - Try Google it
Gauls & Goths vs Roman Empire
What depiction are these camels with…
Why is it in believable that the goths came from. Scandza? A couple hundred years later the same people became Vikings.
Well when I say hardly believable I mean that without proper scientific research we can not be certain of anything, there are facts that back up this theory but we are not 100% sure about it.
@@historicaladventurevideos It's "hardly believable" 0:20
We say Asiatic tribesmen walked a landbridge across Russia into modern-day Alaska or sailed down along the coast of North America as far as California, yet those same experts who accept this deny that the Germanic peoples happened to come from Scandinavian isles and cross a Baltic Sea that was something like 1/1000000th as large as the territory those Asiatics had covered - even when everything already points to the Goths coming from Scandinavia (genealogy via Haplogroup Q, language, historical accounts). "Nope, didn't happen" LOL.
Basically this is like the opposite of the big H-o-caust: rather than accepting historiography as truth no matter what contradicts it, we are rejecting historiography as truth regardless of all that affirms it. The hangup seems to be not a fact itself, but that people don't like the Scandi connection because it seems "too Nazi" for there to be a link between the Germanic world and the Scandinavian one, since it is something that was part of Nazi folklore. Heaven forbid one develops an interest in symbols, runes and sagas that were all part of the armory of iconography under Captain Hitler, especially as any sort of understanding and identity other than "hominid" could result in people seeing themselves as something uniquely "northern" and being against letting in infinite African migrants. Actually you'd think under the circumstances the powers that be would actually be emphasizing that the Germanic/Northern peoples were from Scandinavia so as to emphasize that they were migrants themselves once, too. But I guess it's hard to backtrack once you have your foot dug in and invested in the "we must negate whatever the Nazis said" strategy. So tired of the psychosis. Aren't your "experts" the same people who laughed at the Nazis digging in the Middle East and Asia looking for the roots of Caucasians, only to now claim those ideas as their own? Again, not historians. Nazi-negationists. Our new religion.
@@elaughter6415 Um, I dont know where you get this from. I never even once ''denied'' it because of anything nazi related. When I did my research it was clear to me that it is not certain that they came from Gotland. Yes, 'hardly' believable is a little bit too much but there was no denying that the Goths are germanic anyway. The Germanic people were all around scandinavia, and central europe, so the Goths may have shared ancestors which would then migrate northwards or as many historians say, that they migrated from scandinavia to central europe and then to the Balkans. I also said that according to the Goths themselves, their homeland is somewhere in Scandinavia.
@@historicaladventurevideosI'm not accusing you of having any sort of motive, I'm just saddened to see you give in to the naysayer cult and use their boilerplate rejection when they have provided zero factual foundation for their views, and their primary tactic is flaunting their supposed authority. Somehow, this is enough, and nobody ever takes notice that this elitist clique never says anything beyond that which they have been conditioned to accept based on social prerogatives alone, let alone that which echoes the views of those who offer them their jobs and publishing partnerships. All that truthful generalization aside, what sort of evidence have they offered that discredits the "from the north" theory, especially at this point in history when even the DNA trail of Haplotype Q confirms it?
@@elaughter6415 To be honest, this video is more about archeological remains that are linked to the Goths and also about their relations with the Roman empire. I do not delve deep into the geneaology of the Gothic tribes. With that being said there are no archeological remains of the Goths in Scandinavia, but ofcourse as you say this is not sufficient enough to decide whether they came from the north or not as the absence of remains does not provide ''evidence'' for anything. If you are talking about the maternal haplogroup Q, I have studied it and it seems really interesting. I think what is still being studied is as I've said: whether the bulk of the Germanic people migrated from the region of today's Germany and Poland to Scandinavia and then back to central Europe or whether Scandinavia was their original homeland and then would spread southwards. The Goths are just a branch of the Germanic peoples so I think it is still hard to say with utter confindence.
6:30 realistically the Aryan Christians were much closer to what was actually taught by James the Just and his family and community.
But Constantine himself was most likely an Aryan Christian, at least from what I’ve read.
This is really nice work though, brother. Very concise and factually accurate while being open with what points aren’t certain beyond doubt. I subscribed right away, a lot of these history channels can be a little bit pretentious, but I enjoy your delivery a lot for it’s eschewing of that brand of self indulgence. You should have more subscribers.
@@Thor-Orion Thank you for your kind words!
@@historicaladventurevideos yeah brother, I’m just giving honest feedback. Keep at it and you’ll build an audience for yourself.
We Bosniaks are of "Goth" origin,as my DNA analysis showed ... Our medieval Bosnian church was "Arian" ... Only Germanic "Goths" followed "Arian" teachings
And then they made their way to hot topic where they reside to this day.
There were no Germanic peoples. The primordial people in Europe were the Getae who stretched from the north of the Sea of Azov to the Carpathian area and south of the Danube.
Through the inflection of the name, Getii de vin Goths at the beginning of the 3rd century, due to the damnatio memoriae imposed by the emperor Caracalla who decreed the death penalty for the use of Getic derivatives. The Getae continue their history under the name of Goths, this representing the white page of our 1000-year history.
''' Until the time of Deceneu, the Goths were called Geti and were called by several names, being divided into several powers. The Ostrogoths, those from the east, the Visigoths from the west of Europe, in any case their main residence being Dacia, which today we call Wallachia and Septem Casta (Transylvania). Nicolo Zeno, Italian historian 1557, in the "Books of the Getae " about the genealogy of the Getic people, from the biblical origins. And other authors describe the same historical realities. The Goths were the ancient Getae, with a modified name. They migrated to western Europe and northern Scandinavia and under the name Goths, Ostrogoths, Visigoths gave birth to other nations. Many documents. Excluding Germanic peoples, invented by Western historians, without roots in antiquity, in order to have an ancient ancestry. (The Goths did not conquer Dacia actual Romania but returned to the motherland.)
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I thought the first Goths were the in-house extras at Roger Corman's compound.
Ehhgh. 🎉
Did they form a Goth club?
Well i know and history is that all are from the east
The visigodos were fighting with the romans against the huns and vikings that are relatives
Is written in their sagas about the father attila
my teacher told us to watch this
I'm glad these videos are helping people! :)
Why do you start off saying it's unlikely the goths came from southern Sweden? The Germanic people came from southern Scandinavia as far as I have heard?
Its because the Visigoths are the getae dacians thus not even germanic.
Their ethnicity was thracian wich is celtic and they named Sweden, Denmark and Finland, Dacia 😂.
Iordanes says they were the getae dacians.
And Ulfillas who invented the runes and the gothic language, wasnt germanic at all but also thracian from Moesia, wich is in Bulgaria.
The thracians wrote a special bible to convert the germanics to arian christianity.
I am also goths (jatt,jutt,jat,gate,etc)
So they were indeed Germanic? It confused me what historian Michael Kulikowski is saying.
They are Germanic, their language is basically a mix of a very conservative proto-Germanic mixed with Greek (since they were settled in the eastern Roman Empire) there was a genological dna test done with a visigothic burial in Spain that confirms they have Northern and Central European ancestry.
@@CarvedStonesThe visigoths are non germanic but getae dacian thus celts( or thracian, means the same thing).
Alaric, Athanaric, names ending with ric, are celtic like the gauls had, not germanic.
And Iordanes tells they were dacians wich is irrefutable statement.
Germanics back then were living in the stone age and the visigoths got to them to spread christianity with Ulfillas bible.
@@mihaiilie8808 the -ric suffix is a Celtic borrowing but these weren’t used exclusively by the goths but other Germanic tribes as well. The gothic language is a Germanic language.
Whats so hard to believe that they came from southern Scandinavia? Ancient writings have said that much
It’s because the goths weren’t seen as Germanic by ancient Roman and Greek scholars, they were seen as part of the Scythians (basically close to the Alans) even some scholars tried to make them out to be this proto-Slavic tribe. Their origins were a mystery for quite awhile but there was a 2019 genological DNA study done on some of the visigothic burials in Spain and it confirms that they do infect have Northern European origins as well as Central European (Poland, Romania (especially Transylvania), Ukraine)
@@CarvedStones they were making their mark on those areas so thats prolly why, if its even true that they speculated this
@@dasitmane7590 Yeah, their origins is definitely southern Sweden, but moved out to eastern Germany and the other formentioned areas I’ve said.
They definitely were a Germanic tribe first and foremost, their language is probably the most conservative of it.
Ancient writings have said that, and recent genetic studies have confirmed it.
@@CarvedStonesThe visigoths are not from Transylvania but from Valachia wich is in South east Romania.
In Transylvania there were the Gepids, wich Iordanes says they are just like the visigoths, same people, but slower on the battlefield.
The gepids name was an insult given by the visigoths, for being slow.
They were dacian celts, not germanics at all.
They find runes and greek staff because greeks were sailing there
They were buying amber
The people there didnt have education
Think they got sails in 800 this era
My name is gott i leave in Algeria and i dont know if my racines is gothik 🤔🤔🤔
ancestry dna will tell you :)
I seen you made people question your video, but you deserve my visigoth from Buzau, like.
Its our fault because we hide that we are the visigoths. They are considered bad people due to arian christianity being heretic and also that they destroyed the Roman Empire and brought the dark ages for 1000 years.
Only good goth here and celebrated, is Saint Sebas the goth.
12 gothic tribes war like ppl living in diaspora sounds like the israelites to me
Therefore, where did vampires, werewolves, ghost, and etc came from? Stop changing the script of history.
It is said they were actually Hebrews. Also it makes sense because they primarily had brown hair not Blonde like up in Scandinavia !
DNK nowadays are proof 😉
Genetic anthropology will ultimately prove the origins of the Goths until then all we have is theory and opinion but few facts.. Michael Kukoloski has gotten some traction with his opinion but I don't find his politically correct views compelling. I will wait until genetic anthropologists use actual science to shed light on the debate.
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Pretty thin soup, lots of speculation about Goth origins. The popular story is obviously unfounded and wrong.
After "damnatio memoriae" casted by Pope Leon and Emperor Julian the Apostate , Daco-Gets staarted to be called "Gots" . Dacian areal reached from Wistula, up to baltic shores , are countless archeological proofs in that sense. So , Gots are not germans, gots didn't invaded Byzantium , even they fighted a bit, as East - Roman empire's dynasties at that point were of thracian origin so - in their vision - blood related , gots = daco/gets went against their natural enemy - Rome. That beeing said , rest is history.
Tracii have nothing in common with Germans gotic
Tracii is albano Macedonia tracians Slavonic
Gets would be called as jets or jats in Asia,getae rruled asia as well under the name of Scythia,i am a jat descendant of getae and our clan names are similar to Europeans and have same DNA
@@deepsinghjat From Getia to Massagetia was in fact the same people, organized in different structures, from clans to tribes or even states. In fact (for example), there are some traditions pointing that Tomiris after defeating Cyrus made a pilgrimage to holly site of Sarmis-et-Getusa and founded (or enhanced) city of Tomis (actual Constanta). So , links are real and palpable.
@@vertigohotel6044 In fact, German gots became german later than gots.....
Geții erau gotii de fapt cu nume schimbat de interese defaimatoare
Gotland is where Gothenburg is and Gotland Island is the largest island name of Sweden.. lol What is there to not be 100% about? What we have here is paralysis by analysis. But if you must analyze more, as archeologists use remains of a people in the land, Wielbark Culture thru Poland and you see mostly yellow hair Swedish looks and all the way to Ukraine you see Swedes look. It's so plain to see, they were Goths! You also see blonde-looking Spaniards, why? Because they were ViseGoths, some of my Ancestors are from the ViseGoth region of Spain even though I'm brown skin my great-grandfather and my other side of the family's grandmother looked like a light eyes light skin ViseGoth haha They put Rome on fire, and soon those Goths' blood why Ukrainians are so hard to beat, those same DNA of Goths will set Russia on fire just like they did Rome. Chernyakhov culture have remains of Goths all the way to Ukraine and Moldova... Soon hmmm? It sure looks like it's happening now in Russia no? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernyakhov_culture
The visigoths are not germanic but celtic thracian ethnicity.
They are the dacians ( romans called them that) or the getae/getsi, wich its how greeks were calling the dacians.
Im from Buzau, the capital of the first visigoths and from where they left and sacked Rome, where Ulfillas invented the runes and the gothic language.
These dacian visigoths ancestors of mine, got to Sweden and they named Sweden, Denmark and Finland, Dacia.
You also have daikones(dacians), getsi, gutones, etc, in Gotland.
And Iordanes proves that the visigoths and gepids are not germanics because he says they are the getae-dacians of Burebista and Decebal.
The Suebi,Vandals and the Visigoths just had turn a very rich Hispanya into a deserted of people and plenty of slavery and misery.The only good things was Recared laws and official Christianity.They split in division and one of the parts,Vitiza sons had called the Moors to defeat King Roderico.Vitiza had turned the swords in tools to agriculture.
Roman Hispania was already in decline in the later half of the Roman Empire due to political and economic instability. Plus there were a wave of migrating tribes that entered into hispania long before the goths did: The Alans, Suebi, and Vandals. The goths were basically sent there to kick out the tribes there in return they will get permanent land there. It was a gradual process to kick out the tribes but once they did, they were actually preserving Roman infrastructure there, even based their legal systems and such around it with a Germanic twist. They also hastily rebuilt some of the cities, even creating a few new ones with functioning aqueducts and such. Isidore of Seville also greatly influenced the goths to learn about mathematics, astronomy, science, etc.
The only thing that basically ruined visigothic Spain was its frequent rebellions and power grabs from the nobility, it created a melting pot of corruption, sadly when Leovigildo reformed Germanic and Roman laws for the better (allowing Hispano Romans to marry goths which in turn allows them into the nobility with their descendants and creating the Hispanic law to unite them under one cultural identity), he also decided to bring back that Balti dynasty polices from their Thervingi age. This led to rivalries and usurpers constantly like King Rodrigo. This is also why Hispania got invaded and the Visigoths didn’t really have any way to fight the Muslims back due to their division. It wasn’t until the establishment of the kingdom of Asturias founded and led by visigothic descendants that they actually create a somewhat unified fighting force to repel the Muslim invaders.
10 Gothic Tribes are the 10 Lost tribes of Isreal, Not Jews but Isrealites. Saxon were the Saki Suni meaning 'Sons of Issac'
😂😂😂 saxons are named after Saxony Germany you fool. Son in German is Sohn. Saxony is Sachsen and Saxon is Sächsisch. If it meant sons of issac it would be named sohns Von issak. You're embarrassing
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Wisłogoci czyli Słowianie (Slavic)
Yeah so there's zero evidence that goths weren't scandanvian
😂, they were getae dacians that named Sweden, Finland and Denmark Dacia in oficial documents.
Daikones, getsi, gutones, etc, Iordanea says they were dacian, thus not even germanic.
Ulfillas wasnt germanic but he invented the runes and the gotic language when he wrote a bible so that the dacians can spread arian christianity to the germanics.
@@mihaiilie8808 you have zero proof of any of this, goths were scandanvians
@@jasrajsandhu1658 We have all the proofs, atarting with Iordanes himself that says the visigoths are dacian.Poet Claudiu, Issidor of Seville.
And the visigoths themselves said they were dacians, thats why they named Sweden, Finland and Denmark, Dacia, in official documents.
You can google everything.
Am I right in thinking that the bastarnae are Goth?
Goths are Gets from the daco getic region of now romania
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Greeks called them Scythians, they were not Germanic
Transylvania was celti Germanic dacians dutch Gothic mix Scitians getae and masaget sakha
Khazar Scitians sarmatic and sakha turcic iranic celto Germanic mix
They spoke a Germanic language but i hate when people call them Germanic under the same umbrella as the Franks and Saxons and other tribes of the Germanic land between the Rhine and elbe because the goths were obviously different
@@miracleyang3048 No, they weren't, they come from Gottland, Sweden, and his language and culture were germanic.
@@miracleyang3048 In 2019, they uncovered several bodies of Visigoths in Spain and DNA tested their remains, it turns out that they did in fact have Northern European DNA along with Central European. They were more or less half Germanic.
Goths=Scythian(Getae) =Iranic people.They were not celts/germanic.
Thats a different place then where the goths came from.. we use the term "germanic" because there was a ridiculous amount of them in tribal forms, with different ideaologys and worships, but they all shared a similar dialect. and they held quite alot of different lands. what we do not know is how the goths unified in the first place ect.
What is your source that suggests Goths were Scythian?
@@markbcrich Start with Carlos Troya
@@augustiniumihaila4466 I was hoping more for a peer reviewed published study on Gothic genetics rather than a 200 year old Italian politician opinion.
@@augustiniumihaila4466 BTW, Carlo Troya stated that the Gatae and the Goths are often confused. The Gatae are Thracian, but the Goths are a Germanic people from Scandinavia. I just read his book, Storia d'Italia del medio-evo, Vol 1
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