Joyo and Moen Loopers / Switchers COMPARED
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- I have been asked to compare the loopers and switchers I have reviewed so far.
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I don't know why people need to be so rude. I personally love that he can have some sort of personality while doing his videos. I much prefer your videos over a bunch of stiffs out there that don't show any kind of personality. You provide good facts and you get your opinions across in a very personal fashion. Keep doing what you do man.
+Shea Johnson Thanks... means a lot.... I am just myself... can't be anyone else...
+EytschPi42 Hey hey! Fellow Berklee alum here! Also fellow guitarist & Music Synth major (now Electronic Production & Design). Would you be so kind as to send me the English manual for the PXL Live? I just got mine in the mail 🤓 roccogg@gmail.com thanks!
People come here first to get something. Not for your personality. Is this a humour or comic page? Add your personality yeah but it shouldn't take over and make videos last an eternity
'cause people are d..kheads on the internet, nobody needs to show his face and it is like kindergarten. Go EytschPi42
we love your vids, thank you. :)
@@paulhanwetbe there are many options out there. no one is forcing anyone to view the content on this page. and they are 'getting something' for free. the people that choose to be rude dickheads should just piss off and go else where. there is no excuse to be rude to this gentleman.
This is by far the most useful information available for those choosing between these units. Thanks so much!
I like that you are being you sir. I enjoy all of your videos. They are very informative and educational.
Haha great ending. Feeling loopy from too many looper vids? Thank you for the GEC9 video, easiest looper to program but I couldnt figure out the trigger/amp switching stuff, so thanks for that. Great system. Noise reduction Tip for you: I use the Rocktron Silencer pedal which has an input, output and an fx loop. I use it as noise reduction for loops 1 thru 7. Guitar into pedal input > pedal fx send to looper input > set up all your pedals in the GEC9 the way you want > loop 7 out to pedal fx return > pedal output to loop 8 in. Basically runs all the pedals in loops 1 thru 7 thru the noise reduction circuit of the Rockteon pedal and then back into GEC9's loop 8. I bring it back in before my delays and reverb so it doesnt mess with trails and such. Works great to kill all pedal noise and the clock tick of phasers and such without messing w tone or sustain. Im only using the noise reduction, NOT the gate function in the Rocktron. Huge difference w no noise BS. Hope that helps.
Thanks for this. As a pedal drive guy who never comes off the clean channel, I really can't see why I would need anything more than the PXL8. Thank you.
Damn, that's a nice coffe mug! The rest of the video is pretty good as well.😁
thanks for these comparisons.. any chance you could get some other switchers in for comparative videos?.. like the Gig Rig, Voodoo Lab, or Rocktron products.
Thank you TONS for all your time and knowledge. Without you pedals and pedal boards would be so intense
I love this channel! I was in Germany for 3 years, warm up the Gluewine!
The German accent he did at the start 😂👍🏼. Great video. You rock!
Thanks so much for your videos. You inspired me to buy the PLX8-Live!
Do you use your PXL Live with the amp loop?
Hey Dude- I'm back w/the Moen GEC9 after your invaluable help w/the Joyo Pro-PXL. I don't use much MIDI so I went w/these 2.You are the MASTER -but- I'll never understand German humor. My son went to school in Berlin & he helps me translate. Thanks for all your help(& wierdness) (Don't change tho)- JB
You deserve more recognition man O.O
Merry xmas btw
You do great work, sir! I think I'm going to get a Joyo PXL-PRO to tide me over until a smaller Octa-switch becomes available if it ever does.
Cheers!
11:55 best part ever
Great video 👍
My question is, on the singular pedal, that's plugged into the looper, the INPUT on the padel is routed to the RETURN, and the OUTPUT on the pedal, goes to the SEND of the looper?
Did you ever start the project of a modular switching system? Would make perfect sense to me as well!
"The most easy-to-program looper on the market..." ? Perhaps, more accurately, the easiest-to-program AFFORDABLE looper on the market." The G2 is actually even easier... albeit, at a significantly higher price! Thanks for the comparison video... very helpful! :)
Your demos are excellent.. I've just purchased the PXL8 & I wonder if it would be possible to show how to use the PXL8 in conjunction with modulation pedals through the amp Fx send & return please...? Is it even possible to run delays etc through the amp fx send & return & programme & control them from the PXL8..? Many thanks..
I'd love to see you make a comparison of all loop switchers that has:
1 - ...at least 8 loops
2 - ...of which at least 2 are in stereo (preferrably 4)
3 - ...at least 2 trigger outs
4 - ...of which at least 1 is TRS/stereo (preferrably both)
5 - ...the capability of running parallel loops
6 - ...at least 1 exp-pedal input
7 - ...the capability of turning any built-in buffers on/off
Sidenote: I also wish there were modular loop switchers. Why not be able to buy the central "brain" of the switcher, capable of being programmed in a computer if one wants, for ease of interface. Obviously you should be able to program it straight on the module itself but with a computer and some intuitive software it would obviously be much simpler. Then you should be able to add as many loops and switches that you want (up to say 16 or perhaps even 20 loops?) and you simply buy the loop input/output-modules separately. Let's say there are 3 standard (bigger) modules, the smallest having 5 mono loops, the next 8 mono loops and the biggest 10 mono loops. Then you can add-on loops by buying smaller modules with 2 loops on each module and these come both as mono or stereo. And if anyone would want to have all stereo loops on their switcher they simply buy stereo ones (the small 2-loop modules) and add as many of those they want (up to 16 or 20 loops). Because some people might want 6 stereo loops and just use 2 mono. This way people are able to custom build their switchers. In terms of the footswitches themsleves these are also separate modules in the same sizes as the input/output-modules (2, 5, 8 or 10). And, if some really crazy person out there wants to have more than 16 loops (or 20 if that's the maximum) then they have the option of buying a second central module (brain) and connecting them with each other. Now you're able to have 32 loops (or 40 if 20 is the maximum on each central module).
thank you for the video, is fantastic to see all these loopers explained - I will surely watch all your videos, I am a pedal addicted , I have 17 pedals but my future pedalbord will have around 25 pedals or maybe more - I still search for the best looper - my dream is GigRig G2, for sure it is the best looper in the world - but it is very expensive - your videos are very helpful searching for another kind of less expensive loopers !... subscribed and shared on my facebook page , be blessed my friend !... :)
Great to hear someone else also wanting a more modular midi-approach. I would love to see a triggermodule(with lots of midi connections and switches), a programming module(to disconnect when not programming), an amp module (different ones for different amp connections) and a loops module(as slim as possible so it could even be mounted underneath a pedaltrain, or used as a pedal raise). Maybe even a seperate screen, for easier layout.
Maybe we should start a company together ;)
Am I missing ? This one is a function comparison video , ain't ? What about the comparison of operation ? What do you experience when switching crunch, crunch + booster+ delay, or clean+ chous+ delay ?? Any delay and pop sound ?
Hi my friend… I have a question!!! Can the octa-switch be separated in order to be used into the amp loop and the other one into de input of the amp?
PD: I don’t know if it is well redacted…
Will the buffer feature adversely effect a Big Muff pedal? He mentioned older fuzzes and wahs not sounding good with a buffer. I use a Big Muff Tone Wicker.
I love your videos and the abundant information about especially Joyo stuff. Why have the Ironman series gone up in price lately? They're my favorite Joyo pedals. And I love your impersonation of a German man. Lol.
Hi brother any idea how to use the tonebone plexitube with the G system but also to be able to use the OD and Dist. when change banks. Like one patch with OD another patch with distortion.like with the Nova drive. Please let me know. Thanks for your help. God bless
i think your videos are awesome very interesting and you show all the features and i think your sense of humor is to funny great.
Awesome as usual Henning thank you, for all the time you have spent on loopers and pedals.
Very much appreciate it.
Are you loopy yet????
I'm from Mississippi, movies paint us wrong too.
You seem to like complex setups and are presumably an expert on the Joyo PXL Pro. Here is my quandary: I would like to run 2 amps with a number of stereo effects. One amp for Loop 1 and one amp for Loop 2 (4+4) . You state this is possible in your video above. If you connect a stereo effect into the L1 return and send of Loop 1 but only supply the L1 return of Loop 2 with the right stereo signal (nothing in send) will stereo channel signals come out of the Loop 2 Out (Right stereo ) and the Loop 1 Out (Left Stereo)? I would like to send each signal (Loop 1 and Loop 2) to a separate amps while utilizing the number of switching opinions the PXL Pro offers. From what I have read it would appear that you can only use Loop 2 when the send and return signals come from the effects loop of an amp or some similar setup. In other words does Loop 2 "In" need a signal for the whole Loop 2 to work? If not, where does the signal come from? Input 1, the guitar input? Unnecessarily complicated, I know...maybe I should take up acoustic guitar? Thanks.
Thanks very much for this video. I much better understand the pros and cons of each unit now. I think I'll go with the Joyo Live.
if i use the loopers 7.8 and 9 with modulation, its posible change channels of my rectifier??
Hi to the go to expert in loop switching. I love your many reviews man ! - (you don't put a name to yourself - and I can't seem to find it online) I am hoping you could let me know what's wrong here. I just bought the Harley Benton FXL 8 pro based on one of your reviews. Got it from Thomann. With loop 1 into the front of the amp and loop 2 in and out of the amp loop I get a loud buzz, even with amp volume off. It only works with loop 2 on its own going into the front of the amp. Thomann are saying that its a ground loop issue and I now need a DI Box. I am saying that the loop switcher is intended to operate as it says on the can. Relations are still good but maybe I have a faulty switcher.
Hi David,
I have no clue... I really don’t know what could cause this, sorry.
Thanks anyway@@EytschPi42I sent Thomann a video - hopefully their "Experts " can sort it :-)
Hi Henning! Are there any switch on the market that will do the same as the discontiued 'Radial Twinline'? I'm busting my head against the wall trying to figure out how I can use the send/return on my pedalboard with the Boss ES-8 with two amps. The Radial Twinline second hand are difficult to find on the internet. I've search for it everywhere.
No idea, sorry
Can you use the small 4 looper with two amps? In my case I have a octave pedal with two outputs (dry and octave down) which I send to guitar and bass amps. I have a distortion pedal for each channel which I want to be able to turn on simultaneously without tap dancing. I wonder if by some alternative wiring this can be done with the small looper. The big one is a overkill as I literally only have two pedals.
Good video.
Joyo and harley benton it's the same entreprise ? Because i found only harley benton and no more joyo in the store.
Which is the Best between joyo and moen according to you ?
Thanks.
Hey the schtick at the beginning about the german accents was priceless.
I enjoyed your humor, and the good info. Danke.
hi brother I just got the plx8 joyo how do I set my H9 through the pl8 or the amp Loop I have a black star HT 40 thank you
hahaha I love you're vids mainly because they're full of great info but man o man, you cracked me with this accent thing on the start :D :D
11:55 you must all watch
dying xD
Not related to the video at all, but I like your blue watch. What kind is it?
I was interested, but the sloppy floppy camera work was a putoff, about halfway through switched of
Will the moen gec9 work with a peavey 6505+ 112 combo? Want to know if a can sacrifice one of the loops so I can change the channels of that amp. The peavey normally uses a two button foot switch for rhythm/chruch and lead
What is a trigger out for? To connect the footswitch jack on the amp?
Hey thank you for your video, really helpful :)
So, if I'm I'm running a fuzz, what and octaver in front of the amp + 4 pedals (boost, delay, jamman & reverb) in the fx loop of my amp, the FLX PRO will suit my sound the most because he has no buffered right ?
(Wah & fuzz aren't sustain buffer I guess)
Thank you sir !
I tried it but i'm still getting a lot of noise. Is there sort of a way to use the send, return, in and output of the noise suppressor to create a different conection with the moen loops and therefore get rid of the noise? Thanks in advance!!!
i struggle to understand why a dil 5 pin jack is the standard for midi and not a stereo 1/4 jack?
Jacks bolted onto the enclosure are definitely going to be less of a problem down the line than the (Joyo) on-the-mainboard jacks!
would the pxl pro work with Mark V 35?? i noticed it uses a DIN design cable
no, it uses Midi... the Boogie doesn’t
I am sorry if you have already answered this question.
With the Joyo PXL-8 Live, can I Midi control my Stymon Timeline and Bigsky at the same time and if so can assign Strymon banks/pre sets to the Joyo presets? Thank you!
+Michael Reeves Yes, it can send 2 Midi messages per preset.
+EytschPi42 WOW! Thank you for the time you put into your videos it is very informative and appreciated! Also thank you for the amazingly fast response!
Do you have a vid reviewing the Mooer L6 looper controller??
Hi there! I have a Joyo PXL-LIVE and just want to know if I can use it just as a switcher for different instruments. So basically, I input instruments and/or microphones and switch them on/of individually, is it possible? Thank you in advance 👍🏻
no, that doesn’t really work
EytschPi42 hi, thanks for replying. Very educational your videos. I just need to switch on/off up to 8 devices, (mics and instruments) before getting into the mixing board, just thought this could work and that’s why I bought it. Would you recommend me any please? Thank you very much and good luck 👍🏻
Hi, anyone could tell me what I can do if I have a Wah pedal and I want to plug it into the joyo pxl pro? Because if the looper is buffered and this kind of pedals doesn't work to well with buffer, what should I do?
There are loopers that can handle Wah pedals and so?
Hey, man! i love your videos, u r just great to watch and listen. But i bought a JOYO PXL8 - purple one from EBAY and i am having terrible "click" sound when changing loops. what could you comment on that? is it a factory defect? or it is normal for these switchers? And what is optimal power to use with PXL 8?
it is normal but it depends on the pedals as well
EytschPi42 can you recommend anything? I use TS9, Bad Monkey, MXR Dyna Comp, MXR Carbon copy delay, MXR Analog chorus, and TU3 tuner with Cry Baby wah which are standing before the switcher.
I'm really new to this so can you help me out. The concept of these things are meant for different pairings of pedals right? Like you would have a compressor and a reverb on one setting, then that same compressor and a delay in another. Is that about right?
completely right... you also only have the pedals and cables active that are currently in use and therefore preserve the signal quality as much a s possible!
Hi +EytschPi42 always very informative videos ! Now, in the GEC9 product, I'd like to know if a Chorus or whatever pedal can have 2 different settings in 2 loops . What I mean is when you save the effect chain to the bank, let's says A-1 with some Chorus parameters, now if we change parameters of the Chorus and now save it to the bank A-2, if it will work, I mean of the diffrenet Chorus setings will apply for each A-1 and A-2. Thank you very much
Checkout the GigRig stuff. It's great. I have the G2 which is fantastic.
Bryan Almaguer I'd love to, but they'd have to send me one... I have 9 loopers... I am not going to spend a thousands bucks to then do a video and give them free advertising... I'd love to cover it and do a whole series on it... but they'd have to send me one !
I have joyo PXL 4 and PXL Pro, when i switch to reverb or delay (boss rv 5 and dd 3) there is a popping sound. Is it normal to joyo switchers or there is something wrong to my joyo's?
Very nice and helpful. Also non biased. Thank you.But I must ask...Are getting paid by Guiness? 😎😄🍾
By the way, I vote for the GEC 9
Those units are for people who want to run tons of pedals. Rock and blues players basically use 4 or five pedals max. If you can make your own pedals you can run duals. A reverb trem, a clean boost with drive and distortion and a d lay and a echo, ect keep it down to four pedals.
Hi! Thanks for the great video!
Do you have phase or hum issues when using two amps with the Moen Gec 8 Live, since it doesn't have any ground lift or phase switch. Thank you!
+Wavebuster No, no issues!
Some of these loopers are neat but again all of them are missing something I almost feel like if you just got an RJM Amp and effects gizmo You could just get a dumb many control or from Behringer and you would have plenty of banks and 3 sets.
What are you using for a camera for your videos?
Hi!! I was just wondering. How can I connect a noise suppressor the best way to control the noise of my tube screamer and comppressor loops without affecting the delay and reverse loops on the moen gec9?
Edel Rhoads I would just put it in the loop behind the derive and compressor and you're done,... engage the loop when you want the noise suppressor
With the moan gec8jr, i maybe know something that'll make the bank switch 'issue' more ok.
Just put presets on multiple banks.
If you have the same presets on bank 1, 5 and 8, it takes a lot less clicks to get there.
Awesome! Thanx for your work once again man! =)
how would you go about using these switchers with some pedals in front of the amp, and others in the loop? can you?
Joyo Pro-PXL is made for it. Just got a Moen GEC9 in the mail today...........
Excellent! Thank you.
Awesome ..thank you.. !
Looking for advice on where to start and choices based on my needs. Is there a way to contact you?
Hello. If you can't reach this gentleman ... I've had really good luck with the 'sales engineers' at Sweetwater. I've worked with them a long time. Keep in mind ... their job is to sell products... so have your questions ready before you pick up the phone. Better yet ... once you've established a relationship with them ... email your questions to them ... in moderation of course. 3 or 4 questions maybe. Good luck!
i really appreciate this video, its very informative. thankyou so much
I have the joyo plx8 live. can anyone explain to me how to plug in the tuner to the tuner in on this unit. there is the 1st input/instrument... then the tuner input but it only has 1 jack input then you have the first pair/ in/outs for the effects. the tuner has in and output and bypass sockets. how do i plug it in.
+nodrog namron The TUNER jack on the PXL is ONLY out... you can go to your tuner and not have it in the effects chain at all....
Hi Eytsch, yeah I'm thick so could you spell it out more clearly please. If I plug my instrument into the first in how do I plug in the tuner...
+nodrog namron instrument goes INTO the PXL input.... TUNER OUT goes into the TUNER's INPUT... nothing goes out of the tuner.... the signal will go to the tuner when you engage the MUTE switch....
+EytschPi42 many thanks and a happy new year.ps I love your videos and can sit and watch them all day.
I have learnt a lot from your videos and as you say if its too much for your brain switch to something else.
You kick ass man! Love your work!!!
Are you like the German Bruce Wayne? Mogul Billionaire by day and Guitar hero at night!
"...think this is enough, go away!", haha, I'm still laughing and the video was finished 2 minutes ago.
where can i buy the joyo looper in germany?
try www.tonfan.de
Or by the name of harley benton on thomann
Hi! You never mention a loud "POP" noise using the PXL pro. I'm having a horrible loud explosion when i use some pedals in the loops. Boss pedals are impossible to use here...when i use a DD7 or RV-5 i get extreme loud POP when I engage the respective loops. Do you experience this? Are there any solutions. I contacted Joyo they don't return to me...
Hi... no, I haven't had that experience, but I heard this problem from a few users now. It might be a problem with buffered pedals. I'll ask the Joyo guys!
I have same problem. Even when i do not connect any pedals, just input to JOYO PXL8 and output going direct to amp. Still having the POP signal. Did you find out any solutions for this issue?
I wanna see that watch next to a Big Sky
The movies and TV do paint the accents wrong. It was a concerted effort after the war to make the Nazi's appear stupid. RE: Hogan's Hero's "Ohhh General Burkehalter, it is so nice to see you" "Shut up Klink" Ohh those naughty Nazi's!
Hmmm I reckon your german accent is pretty convincing 😜
11:54 needs to become a meme
Grüß dich!
Laut Thomann ist der FXL8-Looper 51,1cm breit ;)
Liebe Grüße
"I don't even know the German accent well."
Oh yes, you do!! hehehe
"the german accents" [plural]
He propably meant dialects?!?
11:55 Huuuuugggee!!!!! DON'T DO IT again, Dude!!! Almost blow my ears!!! (headphones at 11)
I'm so sorry, too much talk too much muck about drives me nuts! Please no offence intended to our man i just went looking for PXL8 info and lost patience. Just demonstrate in real time the process of each module, more professional that way. But hey you have your following and I'm glad for you. I just end up getting bored and annoyed as I like to know about each and every feature in detail, similar as Pete Thorn or Brett Kingman handle. But hey that's just me all the best to you in your presentations.
Great.but complicated
*does horrendous Irish Accent*
“I seem to be from Shcotland”
I know this video is a little old. But your primary responsibility is to us your fans and the consumers. I appreciate you're buddies with these company's but I think its best to sometimes remove yourself from that aspect and just focus on whats best for us the people spending our hard earned money on this gear. That being said I think you're great you cringy bastard.
I always focus on the viewers and any friendships I have with the brands don’t enter i to my reviews… otherwise it would be pointless
Wow is unbelievable how some of these RUclips reviewer do these videos, you would think they would think ahead of points of importance to talk about (Pete Thorn at least tries) and lay down something prepared to follow with bullet points so you can do a well rounded description of what is important ! (and he does cover some aspects except two! ) Except two of the most important topics in something you will use in your live pedal board setup !!! SWITCHING NOISES OR /POPs sounds related to RELAYS !!! AND ANOTHER HUGE ONE WHICH IS "THE WEIGHT" OF THEM..... FOR GOD SAKES !!!??? THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE MOSTLY CARES ABOUT IN THEIR PEDAL BOARD WHEN YOUR ARE COMPARING AND SELECTING ONE !!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE ON RUclips ??!!! DO I HAVE TO CREATE A CHANNEL TO SHOW THESE PEOPLE HOW IS DONE ? WAIT NOW I PLAN ON BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IS IMPOSSIBLE . Then you go to MOEN website and guess what ???? NO WEIGHT JUST SIZE !!! LOL Unbelievable!!! You are the one that has to drag this crap around and may or may not have a back problem or else and nobody thinks !!! So yeah another great job youtuber EytschPi42
yell much?
@@EytschPi42 As if yelling or not yelling would have made a difference or not and trust me when you're looking for a honest review and go thru several of your reviews on this subjects and you waste hours between your bad jokes and still none of these things get mentioned yeah it can be frustrating but since you want to ignore the issue and talk about my yelling then that's it
@@VinBrez Dude, chill the F out. Of course constructive criticism is always possible, but you cán stay kind and polite. People are way more willing to answer the point you raise.
if i buy this can you send me a english manual or e mail to me please
Sure!
Me too? Please :-)
YHUUGEEE difference! LOL!
why are you making a fool of yourself and why?
why and why? Weird question
Can you just speak normally without those boring jokes and mimics ? The video lasts 24 minutes though it could last less than 15
why don’t you make your own joke free videos if you know how it’s done?