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I don't know if you will see this but the apex pro has customisable actuation point too. it goes down to 1 mm, it is actually the second fastest actuating keyboard in the world.
Keyboard selection is very limited. In the comments people mentioned other models. We need more top PRO keyboards to compare because it is essential tool for PRO programmers.
I don't honestly think that the speed of my fingers was ever the bottleneck in ANYTHING I've done with a computer. None of those keyboards (except the MX keys) are boards I think I would ever want to use as a programmer. I prefer boards with a bit more utility than off the shelf gamer boards. The Logitech MX line (mouse and keyboard) are legitimately pretty amazing for the software if nothing else, but Logitech screwed up by not making it a mechanical. Pity.
I have never written code. But I am a very fast typist. I used to write reports for my previous companies and the keyboards I have used made all the difference.
@@zilliq humans are dumb and are drawn to shinny things, thus rgb is actually good. Would you be more motivated if your work office was in a ghetto, or on the top floor of a luxury skyscraper? In the latter, one would be more willing to get up early and head into the office increasing productivity.
@@rashadarbab2769 nah them things are no good for sitting longer than an hour a day. Also I guarantee you after a good month of using that knee chair you'll develop health problems in your legs
TLDR he likes 2.5mm key travel as opposed to 4.0mm standard, 50grams of force on a switch, and a linear switch type. That is HIS perfect keyboard, you might have different preferences, so following his recommendations might be disappointing to you. That's why the market has different switch types (linear tactile or clicky), spring forces (35g - 90g), and key-travel (2.5, 3.6, 4.0mm), to match everyone's particular tastes. P.S also brands Cherry, Gateron, Kailh, Otemu, Greetech (Razer), TTC (Xiaomi)
What an awesome keyboard comparison. Straight to the issues that matter. As well as reporting on short term typing speeds, and long-term comfort. None of those stupid slow-pans, generic music soundtracks, and wasting time reading stuff from the spec sheets.
@michael It definitely matters. When I'm helping a coworker who's a slow typer or can't touch type, I want to throw them out of their chair and type it for them.
Thankyou for a solid, informed review on keyboards, based around typing! Most reviews assume a keyboard is used to play games and wish to turn my desk into a disco... I found this very informative and thought out thankyou!
7:00 "...it's late at night and you're tired and you just need that extra boost of inspiration and confidence thats' going to make you feel like a rockstar programmer " ah you're so right ! it is exactly what I look for with these keyboards !
RGB is not a gimmick... If you are looking for the best "biology wise" then red backlit is best. Especially if you can get the RED in wavelengths that is near infrared because those colors are used in eye recovery therapies. Certain blue light, which white often contains will damage your eyes. Plus Red light impacts circadian rhythm far less than blue light does.
Matt Waters you would only get noisier keyboards if you choose noisier switches. Membrane keyboards are normally louder than boards that don’t use clicky switches. You should see how quiet some people get their boards to be. The main appeal of mech keyboards besides them being a much higher quality is that you can personalize them however you like. You can choose switches that will wake up half the neighborhood, or you could go the more silent route. If you want your keystrokes to take minimal effort then you can do that, or you can choose to need a firm push in order to activate each key. The possibilities are pretty endless especially when you consider that every single key can be personalized to be completely different in a mech board. The scary part is how lost you can get in researching and customizing mech boards lol. I’ve only been talking about the switches instead of the numerous other factors including keycaps, plate material, stabilizers, and of course the almighty rgb; each of these factors and the many that I didn’t list can drastically affect the overall experience of using your mech board. I would suggest taking some time to look at r/mechanicalkeyboards to learn more and find out what you would like in a mech board.
I’ve owned all of them. My daily driver is currently the MX Keys, I preordered the G915 TKL but was pretty disappointed, nothing wrong with the keyboard itself - had higher expectations, lacking USB-C etc. Not to mention, I find RGB distracting when programming so I’d personally recommend MX Keys for the average developer / user, they even released a Mac version a few weeks ago.
Thanks! My team helped designed the G915 A decent budget version of this is the is the HAVIT HV-KB390L. It comes with both kailh blue and red switches. The blue switches are quite loud but offer stiffer suspension and tactile feedback to control compression. The red keys are as you suspect, linear. Additionally if you game and code as I do a very nice balance is found in the Cherry Low Profile series switches. I use the Filco Stingray TKL Ninja, because clean.
I just ordered the G915 after hopelessly looking for a spanish layout blackwidow v3 pro (wireless). Everything is hyperinflated due to transport strikes, COVID, petrol prices etc xD I can type at about 135 wpm but have ADHD, so I think in the end the Logitech will be a much better choice due to the extra media keys and better bluetooth connectivity (so I can swap to mobile or tablet etc). I look forward to testing your product! :D
To offer another perspective after watching this review, I bought the Logitech and after a couple years of use, I have to say I was really struggling with it. Over long periods of writing transcriptions, my fingers get fatigued as the actuation force is quite high, and I never got used to it. I'm a woman so I have smaller hands, and that could honestly be the reason, but I would definitely discourage other people from getting the same one if they want to type for extended periods of time. Furthermore, after about a year of strenuous use, the keyboard's N key broke, and about once every five times, it would press the letter twice (or skip it entirely.)
@@cranes2726 For me it was important to get a keyboard that would have a very low actuation force so that over time my hand didn't get fatigued and slow me down. Right now I'm using the Razer Hunstman mini with purple keys and I've never had issues with it.
While there are keyboards out there that you might objectively call just plain bad and not suited for anyone, mostly it all comes down to personal preference. What might be the perfect keyboard for one person might be the worst keyboard for another...
@@Aomicplane true. My point is simply that the choices are endless. The odds of a mass market offering nailing YOUR ideal preferences is slim. There are good ones but if you want something tailored to your taste, build it that way.
I used a $13 logitech K120 when coding for about the last six years. Just got a G815 today for gaming, and I really like it. I'll probably use it for coding too.
I’m also a developer, I don’t type this fast, And even if i could, my brain would probably not keep up with 150 wpm. I think I’m at 80 and that is when I’m trying, maybe 60-70 on average
Agreed but I think he made a fair point with the importance of travel distance, never tried the apple keyboard but I can imagine what it feels to type against a wood board for 8 hours straight. Also the importance of the actuation force for the pinkie sitting on left shift duty all day
@@zilliq I have a mech keyboard for gaming and I like typing on it vs my work keyb. It’s high profile though and wired, so I haven’t used it for work, but yeah I was not a fan until I’ve tried it. Maybe bec it’s smooth, linear
@@zilliq Hi, I'm studying Software Engineering and I want a keyboard for programming and also for gaming, and I'm really insecure in what type of switch should I go for, I'm thinking about getting a keyboard with Cherry Mx Red switches or with Cherry Mx Brown switches, do you guys have any suggestions? Thanks a lot :) P.S: I'm form Mexico so please excuse me if I have any grammar mistake, saludos 🇲🇽.
I’m a little surprised by this review. As a professional programmer for years, I’ve relied on ergonomic keyboards and mice for work. Gaming keyboards are fine for gaming, but coding in an office environment needs more productivity focused keyboards.
@@jillting1852 For non gaming, One with tactile switches, low profile. Check out Logitech K840 to start. The G815 (lit) is nice if you like a lower profile but the shifted characters are not lit.
@@jmvasquez2312 The k840 IMO is a great KB for excel or general typing. It is no nonsense with a standard layout. You can choose your key switches also. I got the cherry brown keys and liked it. I currently am testing a Das Keyboard with Brown switches. It is amazing and I feel it is even better than the 840. The drawback is some of the keys feel a bit scratchy which is surprising considering the cost. They may wear in.
@@jmvasquez2312 the Logitech are great. I use wireless and went with the K520, now k540, with their M310 mouse set. The mouse is ambidextrous so can be used with either hand - I use mouse left hand. I especially like the keyboard as its got a number of multimedia keys for sound, video and web. I especially like the calculator key which I'm forever using. Decent amount of key travel, smooth and quiet enough key presses. No backlighting though (though for me, its white only I ever use in other keyboards). Price-wise its also pretty affordable. I've recommended this set and they've come back with very positive comments.
Wow, you are the first one I've encountered that also shares the fear I experience when using a keyboard with overly sensitive actuation! I'm not alone!
I bought my brother the Razer Huntsman Elite for Christmas all because I heard about it from you. My brother loves it. I don`t have one, but I like it too, because of the sound it makes. I thought it was a pretty cool gift. Thanks!
If you think your keyboard isn't important now, you'll figure out how important it is (or was) when you've been typing for 30+ years. EXCELLENT review dude ... many thanks!! That Apex Pro apparently comes in different versions with different switches to suit your taste. Are some of those keyboards expensive? Yes. Is it nice not to have carpel tunnel when you're 50+ and been banging on a keyboard your whole career? YES.
G915 TKL rules them all. worth every penny, especially if you code. solid build, inspiring styling, great feel, connects instantly even on macs. this man is speaking the truth and saved the best for last. i knew he would pick the G915 as the winner as soon as he showed it on screen. previous comment is hilarious and so true.
Yes I own a G915 TKL and a G502 Lightspeed mouse perfect combo for workflow and gaming only gets better with an occasional extra numbpad placed on the left of the keyboard and of course an Elgato Streamdeck within reach
Logitech MX Keys is hands down best keyboard from my point of view :) If they would only create a TKL version of it as well.. I've used different keyboards for 25 years... stuck with Apple keyboard for the past 10+ years after I found MX keys. The biggest problem for EU programmers/gamers is actually availability of different layouts than US - we want Nordic layout!
@@VideoGamesExtras do you want mechanical feel or a true low profile keyboard? G915 for mech feel (tactile switch) and MX keys for less wobble and more low profile.. both are really great keyboards. MX Keys should be connected via dongle not BT for less delay. G915 Lightspeed tech is brilliant!
I got the logitech G815 based on your review, and I have to say the keyboard is awesome.. My only complaint is as a programmer the arrow keys are too far away.. I have to stretch my pinky constantly and it's annoying. That's my only gripe, and the distance to travel is slightly higher than I'd like from key to key which requires a little more dexterity but other than that, this is a sweet keyboard.
I have also been looking for a good keyboard recently .. I like clicky mechanical keys .. with full back-lighting ... and sure there are lots of options, until you look closely at the SHIFT- keys ... nearly always these are *not* back-lit ... which is a PITA for less skilled typists such as myself...
I just got my G915 Clicky version a few weeks ago, absolutely amazing. It's a joy to type on, and literally makes me happy every time I see it or whenever I start typing.
For me, I love my Logitech MX Keys paired with my MX Master 3. Since I work from home, I use Logitech's Flow feature to swiftly move from my desktop to my work laptop throughout the day. The keyboard itself is so comfortable to type on and the mouse is near perfect to me.
This video was very helpful. Thanks very much for taking the time to post this. I'm not a gamer but I am a Mac user looking for a keyboard with more "depth" or a more solid tactile feedback so to speak. And the "Rockstar" factor you mentioned is one of the more subtle, subjective areas which is really valid. I fully agree with you there. Thanks again!
Thank you so much for the detailed keyboard comparison. I was going for the MX keyboard but now I am leaning toward the G915...great work and please produce more tech clips!
TechLead: "It's not rgb" Viewer: "C'mon do you really need it? It's a gimmick." TechLead: "How much are you willing to pay for inspiration and confidence?"
If what you're looking for is a low profile mechanical keyboard, you should try out the Keycrhon K1, which is a low profile keyboard with a wireless mode, with gateron low profile switches, in addition to that is almost half the price of those other keyboards in the showcase. Hope this helps a little. Greetings!
@@ApexierGS Nope, I haven't. To be honest, I treat keyboards like appliances: I want a pretty, functional one, and I don't want to mess around much. The Ultimate has the exact feature set I wanted, and it was money well spent. The only thing I'd change would be getting rid of the blue LEDs.
@@MarkRose1337 hmmm, ok then, because I looked at DAS keyboards back in 2015 and I could not justify the price tag of $200+ for the simple keyboard with few features, and the cheap build quality which can be found on any $40 keyboard or better today. I tried hard to find the magic sauce behind the price tag, but in the end I gave up and bought a simple Tesoro fullsize keyboard with Kailh blue mx switches and blue backlight for $70. I was super happy with the purchase. I use it for my CAD workstation with all the terminal shortcuts, and all my interoffice communications. I modded it with thicker aftermarket keycaps, then the lighting from blue to white LED, and then the switches themselves. I had the urge to do little mods as stepping stones, and it opened my mind to all the mech-keyboard options. It has been a fun journey since 2015, just like building PCs or woodworking.
Totally agree, I've a G915 too and I realized that the day I receive it, that speed while typing... at the beginning is a bit weird but hey, you get used in few minutes, it's amazing! Of course, tactile switches too
Props to you for not being sponsored. I know nothing about programming/coding but I subbed just because you didn't accept any free product for this comparison/review.
Wonderful wonderful video. Only true lovers of computers, programming/coding and high quality tools know what a gem this video is. Thorough, quantitative (your tests and metrics) and at the same time sensitive (to the subtle joys of using a high quality tool). Thank you very much for this video and wish you all the best @TechLead . I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate your videos
Most of these keyboards are gaming keyboard. In fact, their keycaps and switches aren't good. You can try some custom keyboards and I think you will through all your keyboards away soon. The sound and the feel are in different level and tons of swiches to put in your keyboard.
Just bought a G815, basically the same as the G915 but without wireless and bluetooth and you get an additional pass-through usb 2 slot on the keyboard. G815 was about 115€ while the G915 was well over 160€. Since I don't move my keyboard more than a few cm, I actually prefer wired because you don't have to deal with recharging. Glad I made the right call. I was kinda bumped when they didn't have the Linear switches and had to use the Tactiles, but after seeing this video I figure it is the right choice after all. Thanks!
very technical and accurate review. As programmer, I really appreciate it. My everyday keyboard is standard Lenovo, Italian layout, with big L return key, and I love it. It's not too noisy, all its keys - except for the space bar - are concave which helps to center the finger on the key and not pressing the wrong one - something that happens very often with Apple keyboard. You explained very well exactly what I thought and felt about Apple keyboard which I had to use many times for programming iOS apps... until I "found out" I could use a window keyboard with an Imac. My fingers need at least 3 mm for exhausting their force when pressing . A lower range key means my fingers feel traumatized when the key reaches the bottom. I'm searching for a quiter and backlighted keyboard for programming at night, but unfortunately most of them are wifi and I don't want to waste my time and money with batteries or recharging them. Logitec 915 you incluced seems a very good compromised... but 270€ it seems to me insane.
I just got one of those myself. At first I didn't like it because of no adjustable stands, but after I bought a keyboard lift it's pretty darn good. I even combined the USB receiver for my Logitech mouse with it. So now I only use up 1 USB port (great for me because 1 of them is broken on my laptop)
Do you guys have any problems with your Logitech boards often disconnecting when you go wireless with the USB. It's so annoying. I've tried several fixes and it still occurs. Happens with the MX 2s mouse also.
Where is it easiest to run? Tall grass or short grass? Soft ground or hard ground? Where do you expend the most energy running? Asphalt or beach? On which terrain would you move the fastest? On which terrain would you fatigue the fastest? That is my response to the key travel issue. It's really all about the lights.
Great roundup using experience and data. I haven't found a review like this before. Unfortunately, I am sticking to my MS Sculpt ergonomic keyboard because Logitech doesn't seem to care about our wrists. EDIT: they released a new ergonomic keyboard this year, as did MS. I think you should do a comparison.
I have the Logitech G Pro predecessor to this keyboard and honestly, it's great and has been for almost 4 years now. Click without being annoying, fits in a backpack (TKL), comfortable spacing, nice lighting. Now that they've got replaceable keys, I'm not sure there's much else to ask for. TKL + trackball FTW for programming.
@@austinmitchell2746 hey buddy, still recommend 100%. I did switch to the ZSA Moonlander due to carpal tunnel, but if I had not gone to an ergo keyboard, I would not have switched at all. The G Pro now lives on my sim racing rig. I totally stand by everything I said in the original comment. That being said, that keyboard is my preference and there are all sorts of preferences out there, e.g. The Plank or the Magic Keyboard. Some people want open source software, or they prefer no RBG, or they want this that or the other feature.
I had a very similar experience with the Mx Keys. The key layout is great; however, after a couple of weeks of using it I felt my fingers were getting tired very easily.
These days, a keyboard for a programmer is like a camera for a photographer or a suit for a salesman... It identify you; not what kind of work you do :P People can swear that you can code better on a 200 dollars keyboard; meanwhile their OS on desktop and mobile are made by people using 30 bucks rubber dome cheap logitech keyboards.
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Make video for monitors too!
I don't know if you will see this but the apex pro
has customisable actuation point too. it goes down to 1 mm, it is actually the second fastest actuating keyboard in the world.
Check out DasKeyboard 4 w/brown switches.
WE NEED A SYNTAX COLORING REVIEW
Keyboard selection is very limited. In the comments people mentioned other models. We need more top PRO keyboards to compare because it is essential tool for PRO programmers.
Which one will copy code faster from Stackoverflow
I think u should start looking for a mouse
@@mushyclicks2028 Real Stackoverflow Copy-Pasters Don't Use Mouse. That's why they're so leet. ;)
@@JohnDoe-qz9ji Of everything! CPU! SSD! Internet! Quantum Computing! Even Microsoft FS 2020 at Ultra! :D
😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@JohnDoe-qz9ji remember that razer chroma is best but you will have to use some oil on middle button.
I wish the speed of my fingers was the bottleneck in my coding ...
I don't honestly think that the speed of my fingers was ever the bottleneck in ANYTHING I've done with a computer.
None of those keyboards (except the MX keys) are boards I think I would ever want to use as a programmer. I prefer boards with a bit more utility than off the shelf gamer boards.
The Logitech MX line (mouse and keyboard) are legitimately pretty amazing for the software if nothing else, but Logitech screwed up by not making it a mechanical. Pity.
Lol - if only I could code like they do in the movies... :D
I have never written code. But I am a very fast typist. I used to write reports for my previous companies and the keyboards I have used made all the difference.
@@alicenien5015 did u use TeX?
@@bradarnett8632 have you seen Keychrons keyboards? They have best of both worlds plus loads of functionality
I'll just take the one that's tears-proof
I don't get it. Tears from coding?
@@solidwaterslayer Must be lol
wrap it in saran wrap?
Tears from depression?
Use a keyboard with Kailh box switches. It's rated for IP58. None of your tears or maybe coffee splash will ever get inside of the switches. lol
1:35 Standart Apple Magic Keyboard
2:58 Razer Huntsman
5:06 Logitech MX Keys
7:21 Razer Huntsman Tournament Edition
9:09 SteelSeries Apex Pro
12:01 Logitech G915
The Logitech G915 is loud when you're clicking
Apple has nothing to do with art
Is there a version of the g915 that doesn't rattle?
Legend.
ah yes the standart apple magic keyboard, fairly standart but starting off strong, have a nice day standart Yana T
*this man takes “RGB makes you faster” seriously*
That's untrue, he said "RGB will inspire you", which is as dumb a take as "makes you faster" though
@@zilliq humans are dumb and are drawn to shinny things, thus rgb is actually good. Would you be more motivated if your work office was in a ghetto, or on the top floor of a luxury skyscraper? In the latter, one would be more willing to get up early and head into the office increasing productivity.
@@pluto8404 well in the first one you have a reason to work yourself out of there I guess :D
@@pluto8404 all i'm really taking from this comment is "just buya keyboard that you think looks good lel"
it was satirical
I use Windows 10's on-screen keyboard. It's free. No RGB, though.
You paid for your mouse.. haha. Or do you have a touch screen
There are always “rgb” in pixels of your screen where your screen keyboard is
@@KeepAnOpenMind yep. I too love black rgb
@@KeepAnOpenMind No those are red, green, blue subpixels. RGB is the high tech external lighting that comes on pro programmer computer hardware.
171 wph
When a millionaire says it is expensive, it is expensive.
Although wealthy people tend to be very careful with their spending so not really...
@@judahhays189 Grahpham Stephan has entered the chat
@@judahhays189 *MrBeast left the chat*
Lmao u obviously don't know the custom keyboard community
Yeah lol
1:08
"The keyboard is the way we interact with the world"
I felt that one
You look like Seth Rogan
@@dannykth1 you look like Lion
I'd love to see a video about the most comfortable chair to sit in for 8 hours every day.
get a cushion for your tailbone, helps relieve a lot of pressure
herman miller
I wonder what those kneeling chairs are like. Surely they can’t be good for your knees.
Herman Miller Aeron hands down
@@rashadarbab2769 nah them things are no good for sitting longer than an hour a day. Also I guarantee you after a good month of using that knee chair you'll develop health problems in your legs
"With great sensitivity comes great typos".
- TechLead.
TLDR he likes 2.5mm key travel as opposed to 4.0mm standard, 50grams of force on a switch, and a linear switch type. That is HIS perfect keyboard, you might have different preferences, so following his recommendations might be disappointing to you. That's why the market has different switch types (linear tactile or clicky), spring forces (35g - 90g), and key-travel (2.5, 3.6, 4.0mm), to match everyone's particular tastes.
P.S also brands
Cherry, Gateron, Kailh, Otemu,
Greetech (Razer), TTC (Xiaomi)
What an awesome keyboard comparison. Straight to the issues that matter. As well as reporting on short term typing speeds, and long-term comfort.
None of those stupid slow-pans, generic music soundtracks, and wasting time reading stuff from the spec sheets.
“So I can do 150 wpm with this but it’s not enough...” Me: cries in 50 wpm
i can only do 35wpm
I can do only 60😭
I never even knew WPM matters when writing code. How many words does a typical Python list comprehension constitute?
mine 40wpm 😞
@michael It definitely matters. When I'm helping a coworker who's a slow typer or can't touch type, I want to throw them out of their chair and type it for them.
“you can put it in your backpack and take it to the cafe”
*I do not want to spill coffee on a $220 keyboard*
well, maybe if it's expensive coffee
Right!
Don't spill your coffee ☕ then.
Thankyou for a solid, informed review on keyboards, based around typing! Most reviews assume a keyboard is used to play games and wish to turn my desk into a disco... I found this very informative and thought out thankyou!
Millionaire normal people: I'll buy a car and jewels
Millionaire programmers: Buys a dozen fancy keyboards
normal ppl: show off RPM
programmr: show off WPM
Jewels? Wtf
Fancy keyboards... dont look into custom mechanical keyboards then...
IMO those keyboards are pretty bad looking.
I can type 35 WPM with no errors on my 24K Gold Keyboard.
Tech lead : I have 800$ dollars worth of keyboards
r/mechanicalkeyboards: .... So only one kb?
That's almost the price for just a GMK keycap set like Mizu lmao
Ruben Sousa are you sure about that
@@sakurakos88 yeah that's like way overblown (unless you're talking about the aftermarket that is)
@@jacksmile6669 yes in mechmarket
Yeah and two of them are logitech junk. The apple keyboard is not great. What no full mechanicals?
7:00 "...it's late at night and you're tired and you just need that extra boost of inspiration and confidence thats' going to make you feel like a rockstar programmer " ah you're so right ! it is exactly what I look for with these keyboards !
You mean parsing raw data in Clojure is not inspiration enough?
07:00 RGB makes you feel like a rock star programmer ;)
Best remark ever on RGB lights....!
RGB is not a gimmick... If you are looking for the best "biology wise" then red backlit is best. Especially if you can get the RED in wavelengths that is near infrared because those colors are used in eye recovery therapies. Certain blue light, which white often contains will damage your eyes. Plus Red light impacts circadian rhythm far less than blue light does.
Just wait until he discovers r/mechanicalkeyboard. "How I built a Mechanical Keyboard (as a Millionaire)
What is the appeal of mechanical keyboards? seems they are just noisier
Matt Waters you would only get noisier keyboards if you choose noisier switches. Membrane keyboards are normally louder than boards that don’t use clicky switches. You should see how quiet some people get their boards to be. The main appeal of mech keyboards besides them being a much higher quality is that you can personalize them however you like. You can choose switches that will wake up half the neighborhood, or you could go the more silent route. If you want your keystrokes to take minimal effort then you can do that, or you can choose to need a firm push in order to activate each key. The possibilities are pretty endless especially when you consider that every single key can be personalized to be completely different in a mech board. The scary part is how lost you can get in researching and customizing mech boards lol. I’ve only been talking about the switches instead of the numerous other factors including keycaps, plate material, stabilizers, and of course the almighty rgb; each of these factors and the many that I didn’t list can drastically affect the overall experience of using your mech board. I would suggest taking some time to look at r/mechanicalkeyboards to learn more and find out what you would like in a mech board.
@@xander_allen thanks. That was pretty informative.
Matt Waters np
r/mk is for morons, r/ck is for true customs
I’ve owned all of them. My daily driver is currently the MX Keys, I preordered the G915 TKL but was pretty disappointed, nothing wrong with the keyboard itself - had higher expectations, lacking USB-C etc. Not to mention, I find RGB distracting when programming so I’d personally recommend MX Keys for the average developer / user, they even released a Mac version a few weeks ago.
does it make your finger tired after few weeks of working as the reviewer said
Can't wait for, "Top Programming Mouse Pads for 2020 (as a Millionaire)."
mousepad is the foundation of all your movement, don't go into battle unprepared.
Best comment
He isn't a millionaire.
Flat clicker
In most cases your speed is not the bottleneck in coding.
It propably is the code itself especially when coding while thinking 😉
For sure! But when your code or your message breaks upon your uncomfortable and byggy typocal keyboard it gets clear how important this interface is.
I’m just now getting into mechanical keyboards. You made it really easy for me to understand some of the differences between the keyboards. 😃
*Roasts tech reviewers*
.... a few days later:
TechLead: "Now what we're doing today is a showdown between the top keyboards...."
exactly ...
Tech reviewers don't review keyboards.
Im pretty sure it's intentional
On the roast video, he said: "if tech reviewers were comparing keyboards, people would be hyped about keyboards." Basically lifestyle marketing 101.
The review style is actually of good quality. Focused on actual functionality and targeted audience. IMO.
This man just said the craziest thing ive heard
"Huntsman is my budget pick"
“...as a millionaire”
Huntsman is actually the cheapest out of his stash there...
Just wait until this guy hears about $250-350 custom keyboards being a "budget" pick.
@Arturo Ochoa gateron switches just as good.
Got a slightly used one for 55€, pretty damn cheap
Thanks! My team helped designed the G915
A decent budget version of this is the is the HAVIT HV-KB390L. It comes with both kailh blue and red switches. The blue switches are quite loud
but offer stiffer suspension and tactile feedback to control compression. The red keys are as you suspect, linear.
Additionally if you game and code as I do a very nice balance is found in the Cherry Low Profile series switches. I use the Filco Stingray TKL Ninja, because clean.
I just ordered the G915 after hopelessly looking for a spanish layout blackwidow v3 pro (wireless). Everything is hyperinflated due to transport strikes, COVID, petrol prices etc xD I can type at about 135 wpm but have ADHD, so I think in the end the Logitech will be a much better choice due to the extra media keys and better bluetooth connectivity (so I can swap to mobile or tablet etc). I look forward to testing your product! :D
@@piposanchez Qué tal te va con el logitech? quiero comprarlo, pero estoy dudando... existe el layout en español? no lo encuentro, soy de latam.
The design has one small but fatal flaw, the lack of backlight behind the secondary function keys…
You really do the best reviews for Coders! Please never stop this channel.
To offer another perspective after watching this review, I bought the Logitech and after a couple years of use, I have to say I was really struggling with it. Over long periods of writing transcriptions, my fingers get fatigued as the actuation force is quite high, and I never got used to it. I'm a woman so I have smaller hands, and that could honestly be the reason, but I would definitely discourage other people from getting the same one if they want to type for extended periods of time. Furthermore, after about a year of strenuous use, the keyboard's N key broke, and about once every five times, it would press the letter twice (or skip it entirely.)
thanks.... I just wanted to get this keyboard but it seems no to be as good. Maybe nowadays there are better keyboards.
curious what keyboard are you using now? thanks
@@cranes2726 For me it was important to get a keyboard that would have a very low actuation force so that over time my hand didn't get fatigued and slow me down. Right now I'm using the Razer Hunstman mini with purple keys and I've never had issues with it.
@@MilMike it depends on if you think 50g actuation force is high for your use
The perfect keyboard is likely not one of the mainstream offerings. There is a world of options out there.
While there are keyboards out there that you might objectively call just plain bad and not suited for anyone, mostly it all comes down to personal preference. What might be the perfect keyboard for one person might be the worst keyboard for another...
@@Aomicplane true. My point is simply that the choices are endless. The odds of a mass market offering nailing YOUR ideal preferences is slim. There are good ones but if you want something tailored to your taste, build it that way.
I used a $13 logitech K120 when coding for about the last six years. Just got a G815 today for gaming, and I really like it. I'll probably use it for coding too.
I’m also a developer, I don’t type this fast, And even if i could, my brain would probably not keep up with 150 wpm. I think I’m at 80 and that is when I’m trying, maybe 60-70 on average
Agreed but I think he made a fair point with the importance of travel distance, never tried the apple keyboard but I can imagine what it feels to type against a wood board for 8 hours straight. Also the importance of the actuation force for the pinkie sitting on left shift duty all day
@@zilliq I have a mech keyboard for gaming and I like typing on it vs my work keyb. It’s high profile though and wired, so I haven’t used it for work, but yeah I was not a fan until I’ve tried it. Maybe bec it’s smooth, linear
@@zilliq programmers don’t spend their days typing. Not 8 hours at least.
@@zilliq Hi, I'm studying Software Engineering and I want a keyboard for programming and also for gaming, and I'm really insecure in what type of switch should I go for, I'm thinking about getting a keyboard with Cherry Mx Red switches or with Cherry Mx Brown switches, do you guys have any suggestions? Thanks a lot :)
P.S: I'm form Mexico so please excuse me if I have any grammar mistake, saludos 🇲🇽.
@@cea0611 probably a bit late but I really like mx browns because they're just a tad less sensitive than reds. Good for typing
My first TechLead video, didn't know what I got myself into but I'm glad I did😂
He's addictive
I’m a little surprised by this review. As a professional programmer for years, I’ve relied on ergonomic keyboards and mice for work. Gaming keyboards are fine for gaming, but coding in an office environment needs more productivity focused keyboards.
So which keyboard u use?
@@jillting1852 For non gaming, One with tactile switches, low profile. Check out Logitech K840 to start. The G815 (lit) is nice if you like a lower profile but the shifted characters are not lit.
@@kenmtb would you recommend k840 for excel work? Need a keyboard perfect for excel
@@jmvasquez2312 The k840 IMO is a great KB for excel or general typing. It is no nonsense with a standard layout. You can choose your key switches also. I got the cherry brown keys and liked it. I currently am testing a Das Keyboard with Brown switches. It is amazing and I feel it is even better than the 840. The drawback is some of the keys feel a bit scratchy which is surprising considering the cost. They may wear in.
@@jmvasquez2312 the Logitech are great. I use wireless and went with the K520, now k540, with their M310 mouse set. The mouse is ambidextrous so can be used with either hand - I use mouse left hand. I especially like the keyboard as its got a number of multimedia keys for sound, video and web. I especially like the calculator key which I'm forever using. Decent amount of key travel, smooth and quiet enough key presses. No backlighting though (though for me, its white only I ever use in other keyboards). Price-wise its also pretty affordable.
I've recommended this set and they've come back with very positive comments.
just got a G915 as a birthday present and so far I'm pretty happy with it
"The keyboard is the way in which we interact with the world" Right in the feels man...
You can remap command and option keys under System Preferences - Keyboard - Modifier Keys.
No need for Karabiner.
noice, thanks for the tip!
Karabiner is useful and needed for other reasons as well.
I love how analytical and thorough your review videos are!!!!
NOT!
Thank you for the video. I appreciate all of the details and hard work.
Wow, you are the first one I've encountered that also shares the fear I experience when using a keyboard with overly sensitive actuation! I'm not alone!
yeah, I do have left hands pinky issues because of "tab", "shift" and "ctrl".
It's why I stopped using gateron clears and switched to blues. Far less fatfingering and the tactile feedback feels really nice, imo.
I bought my brother the Razer Huntsman Elite for Christmas all because I heard about it from you. My brother loves it. I don`t have one, but I like it too, because of the sound it makes. I thought it was a pretty cool gift. Thanks!
How to breathe ?
TechLead - " Well as an ex-google , ex-facebook employee, let me tell you...."
RGB! your breathing must have RGB!
I bought all the keyboards you mentioned above, I love G915 best!
Whow... fantastic overview. Great stuff! Thank you
If you think your keyboard isn't important now, you'll figure out how important it is (or was) when you've been typing for 30+ years.
EXCELLENT review dude ... many thanks!! That Apex Pro apparently comes in different versions with different switches to suit your taste.
Are some of those keyboards expensive? Yes. Is it nice not to have carpel tunnel when you're 50+ and been banging on a keyboard your whole career? YES.
sooo if we use cheap keyboard what we miss?
chronic finger pain lmao 😂😁
Switching to a better layout than QWERTY will help much more than changing the feeling of the buttons.
apex pro doesnt have different switches, u mean the apex 7?
@@Rubindy Yeah, I'm not sure why the TKL version is called the Apex 7 vs. just the TKL version of the Pro?
@@andrewpoloni4197 the apex 7 comes in blue, brown, red and apex pro and tkl with only omni switches afaik
Pros:
Everything
Cons:
Sounds like jellybeans.
Not to mention it's $200.
It’s not thatttt bad for something you use for 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week.
that's why he recommended it. because it sounds like jellybeans.
@@dulraenn not a problem when you're a millionaire
G915 TKL rules them all. worth every penny, especially if you code. solid build, inspiring styling, great feel, connects instantly even on macs.
this man is speaking the truth and saved the best for last.
i knew he would pick the G915 as the winner as soon as he showed it on screen.
previous comment is hilarious and so true.
Yes I own a G915 TKL and a G502 Lightspeed mouse perfect combo for workflow and gaming only gets better with an occasional extra numbpad placed on the left of the keyboard and of course an Elgato Streamdeck within reach
Used all of them shown here? How to decide
Just purchased the Linear for programming. Nice to know you made this your pick! Heading over to check out your fav mouse. Thanks!
I really was looking for a major keyboards review on programmer's view. Thank you very much!!
Logitech MX Keys is hands down best keyboard from my point of view :) If they would only create a TKL version of it as well.. I've used different keyboards for 25 years... stuck with Apple keyboard for the past 10+ years after I found MX keys.
The biggest problem for EU programmers/gamers is actually availability of different layouts than US - we want Nordic layout!
They had launched MX mini
@@gradientO actually moved to Logitech G915 TKL (white) and loving it.. friend bought that new MX mini and likes it as well 👌
@@ch3m1c should I get the mx keys or the g915 tkl?
@@VideoGamesExtras do you want mechanical feel or a true low profile keyboard? G915 for mech feel (tactile switch) and MX keys for less wobble and more low profile.. both are really great keyboards. MX Keys should be connected via dongle not BT for less delay. G915 Lightspeed tech is brilliant!
your typing speed was so sick bro ! i wish i can be like that oneday
I got the logitech G815 based on your review, and I have to say the keyboard is awesome.. My only complaint is as a programmer the arrow keys are too far away.. I have to stretch my pinky constantly and it's annoying. That's my only gripe, and the distance to travel is slightly higher than I'd like from key to key which requires a little more dexterity but other than that, this is a sweet keyboard.
good review thank you very much. typing this with the g915 because of your review.
I have also been looking for a good keyboard recently .. I like clicky mechanical keys .. with full back-lighting ... and sure there are lots of options, until you look closely at the SHIFT- keys ... nearly always these are *not* back-lit ... which is a PITA for less skilled typists such as myself...
I just got my G915 Clicky version a few weeks ago, absolutely amazing. It's a joy to type on, and literally makes me happy every time I see it or whenever I start typing.
try the happy hacking hybrid type s. it's in another league for me. it'a amazing.
For me, I love my Logitech MX Keys paired with my MX Master 3. Since I work from home, I use Logitech's Flow feature to swiftly move from my desktop to my work laptop throughout the day. The keyboard itself is so comfortable to type on and the mouse is near perfect to me.
This video was very helpful. Thanks very much for taking the time to post this. I'm not a gamer but I am a Mac user looking for a keyboard with more "depth" or a more solid tactile feedback so to speak. And the "Rockstar" factor you mentioned is one of the more subtle, subjective areas which is really valid. I fully agree with you there. Thanks again!
Thank you so much for the detailed keyboard comparison. I was going for the MX keyboard but now I am leaning toward the G915...great work and please produce more tech clips!
Thank you for this video! I was just searching Amazon for a better keyboard. Perfect timing, great video! 👏🏽🙏🏽
Very thorough and detailed review!! I love it! Keep up the good work. This has helped me in my future buying/purchasing decisions. Thank you!! :)
It's like the DJ set for Engineers
made me laugh more than it should
TechLead: "It's not rgb"
Viewer: "C'mon do you really need it? It's a gimmick."
TechLead: "How much are you willing to pay for inspiration and confidence?"
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
soo are rgb keyboards better?
also linear keyboard?
dude... motivational keyboard speaker... Not even a programmer but now I'm about to deep dive in to keyboards...
thanks...that was the best analysis yet...thanks for just being straight and to the point without trying to be entertaining....
If what you're looking for is a low profile mechanical keyboard, you should try out the Keycrhon K1, which is a low profile keyboard with a wireless mode, with gateron low profile switches, in addition to that is almost half the price of those other keyboards in the showcase. Hope this helps a little.
Greetings!
I see my guy techlead is working on that biceps 💪🏻
chcpr1 lmao 🤣 he’s left handed
I really enjoy my Das Keyboard 4 Ultimate with Cherry MX Blues. It's such a joy to type on that sometimes I just want to type for no reason at all.
But have you tried Kailh BoxWhites switches?? They are clicky bliss. You could be missing out
@@ApexierGS Nope, I haven't. To be honest, I treat keyboards like appliances: I want a pretty, functional one, and I don't want to mess around much. The Ultimate has the exact feature set I wanted, and it was money well spent. The only thing I'd change would be getting rid of the blue LEDs.
Mark Rose honestly if you are gonna treat a keyboard as an appliance then you should sell your crappy das and build your own keyboard
@@MarkRose1337 hmmm, ok then, because I looked at DAS keyboards back in 2015 and I could not justify the price tag of $200+ for the simple keyboard with few features, and the cheap build quality which can be found on any $40 keyboard or better today.
I tried hard to find the magic sauce behind the price tag, but in the end I gave up and bought a simple Tesoro fullsize keyboard with Kailh blue mx switches and blue backlight for $70. I was super happy with the purchase. I use it for my CAD workstation with all the terminal shortcuts, and all my interoffice communications.
I modded it with thicker aftermarket keycaps, then the lighting from blue to white LED, and then the switches themselves. I had the urge to do little mods as stepping stones, and it opened my mind to all the mech-keyboard options. It has been a fun journey since 2015, just like building PCs or woodworking.
I love my Das Keyboard too. It’s odd he didn’t try one
i'm really thankful .
i bought the razer huntsman yesterday depending on your opinion.
it's really comfortable even after a long hours of coding .
You are amazing 🙂 I haven't seen so thorough and clear test and explanation 🙂
"go out and do battle every day" lmao, this is why I TechLead
Wow. I really had no idea such consideration went into keyboards!
Totally agree, I've a G915 too and I realized that the day I receive it, that speed while typing... at the beginning is a bit weird but hey, you get used in few minutes, it's amazing! Of course, tactile switches too
Props to you for not being sponsored. I know nothing about programming/coding but I subbed just because you didn't accept any free product for this comparison/review.
Wow! Great video! You provided details that I normally have no clue of looking into.
Wonderful wonderful video. Only true lovers of computers, programming/coding and high quality tools know what a gem this video is. Thorough, quantitative (your tests and metrics) and at the same time sensitive (to the subtle joys of using a high quality tool). Thank you very much for this video and wish you all the best @TechLead . I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate your videos
Most of these keyboards are gaming keyboard. In fact, their keycaps and switches aren't good. You can try some custom keyboards and I think you will through all your keyboards away soon. The sound and the feel are in different level and tons of swiches to put in your keyboard.
Following this comprehensive review I purchased the Razer Huntsman. Great keyboard. Thanks TechLead.
Just bought a G815, basically the same as the G915 but without wireless and bluetooth and you get an additional pass-through usb 2 slot on the keyboard. G815 was about 115€ while the G915 was well over 160€. Since I don't move my keyboard more than a few cm, I actually prefer wired because you don't have to deal with recharging.
Glad I made the right call. I was kinda bumped when they didn't have the Linear switches and had to use the Tactiles, but after seeing this video I figure it is the right choice after all. Thanks!
very technical and accurate review. As programmer, I really appreciate it. My everyday keyboard is standard Lenovo, Italian layout, with big L return key, and I love it. It's not too noisy, all its keys - except for the space bar - are concave which helps to center the finger on the key and not pressing the wrong one - something that happens very often with Apple keyboard.
You explained very well exactly what I thought and felt about Apple keyboard which I had to use many times for programming iOS apps... until I "found out" I could use a window keyboard with an Imac. My fingers need at least 3 mm for exhausting their force when pressing . A lower range key means my fingers feel traumatized when the key reaches the bottom.
I'm searching for a quiter and backlighted keyboard for programming at night, but unfortunately most of them are wifi and I don't want to waste my time and money with batteries or recharging them. Logitec 915 you incluced seems a very good compromised... but 270€ it seems to me insane.
Hey Techlead. I think the title should be, 'Top 10 Keyboards for (Millionaire) Programmers'
"How much are you willing to pay for inspiration and confidence?" omg
I've a Logitech MX Keys, it's perfect for me to switch on macosx/windows
@Copernicus Thinker nope, works perfectly
I was thinking about it but it’s not mechanical
I just got one of those myself. At first I didn't like it because of no adjustable stands, but after I bought a keyboard lift it's pretty darn good. I even combined the USB receiver for my Logitech mouse with it. So now I only use up 1 USB port (great for me because 1 of them is broken on my laptop)
@@jasonbustamante884 Do you have a link for this lift?
Do you guys have any problems with your Logitech boards often disconnecting when you go wireless with the USB. It's so annoying. I've tried several fixes and it still occurs. Happens with the MX 2s mouse also.
Where is it easiest to run? Tall grass or short grass? Soft ground or hard ground? Where do you expend the most energy running? Asphalt or beach? On which terrain would you move the fastest? On which terrain would you fatigue the fastest? That is my response to the key travel issue. It's really all about the lights.
This video was really helpful, thank you for reviewing these keyboards!!!
Great roundup using experience and data. I haven't found a review like this before. Unfortunately, I am sticking to my MS Sculpt ergonomic keyboard because Logitech doesn't seem to care about our wrists. EDIT: they released a new ergonomic keyboard this year, as did MS. I think you should do a comparison.
Logitech MX is silent. You need that when you are on a call or conference
yeah, mx keys is pretty nice!
the best one is a custom one so it fits all your personal needs and it's exactly what you want
Thank you so much for this video
very strong competitors in your review, good choice
I have the Logitech G Pro predecessor to this keyboard and honestly, it's great and has been for almost 4 years now. Click without being annoying, fits in a backpack (TKL), comfortable spacing, nice lighting. Now that they've got replaceable keys, I'm not sure there's much else to ask for. TKL + trackball FTW for programming.
Are you still using it or what are you using now my man?
@@austinmitchell2746 hey buddy, still recommend 100%. I did switch to the ZSA Moonlander due to carpal tunnel, but if I had not gone to an ergo keyboard, I would not have switched at all. The G Pro now lives on my sim racing rig. I totally stand by everything I said in the original comment.
That being said, that keyboard is my preference and there are all sorts of preferences out there, e.g. The Plank or the Magic Keyboard. Some people want open source software, or they prefer no RBG, or they want this that or the other feature.
I have ADD, and I have watched this video so many times. I learn something new everytime. :D
Best keyboard for programmers would be the Realforce R2 RGB/No RGB(depends on user) TLK from Topre.
THX, just as I broke my old LogiTech keyboard improving code - I stumbled over this video.
Thx for programming perspective.
damn one of the best episodes of keyboards out there, thanks for your time.
I had a very similar experience with the Mx Keys. The key layout is great; however, after a couple of weeks of using it I felt my fingers were getting tired very easily.
Agreed.
@@kimitaby A'am absolutely agreed with us
Real programmers confront critical bugs with a 5$ keyboard
These days, a keyboard for a programmer is like a camera for a photographer or a suit for a salesman... It identify you; not what kind of work you do :P People can swear that you can code better on a 200 dollars keyboard; meanwhile their OS on desktop and mobile are made by people using 30 bucks rubber dome cheap logitech keyboards.
A moment of silence for all the programmers using the magic keyboard
Great video! I like your review style.