Joe Satriani: "What sets Guthrie apart, is that no matter what he’s doing-picking, tapping, slapping, playing legato, whatever-he mixes everything up gracefully and absolutely nails each approach. And all the while the music sounds natural.”
If a maj7 arpeggio is the most beautiful thing you've ever heard, your musical culture is worrying (but you wouldn't be the only one is that case, far from it alas)
+Flanger Kit fairly sure he just meant it was an maj7 not necessarily an a maj7, things can sound cool even if they're simple, that's for the other guy.
Isn't a wonderful thing that in our times we are able to get master classes from these geniuses of the guitar (and any other instrument) anywhere in the world and in the confort of your home? Amazing times indeed.
Guthrie is an ABSOLUTE genius, he probably locked himself up in a room during his formative years, deprived himself of any social life and just practiced and practiced....The evolution of these Shredders like him has gotten more advanced...just when I thought Vai and Paul Gilbert were already super-advanced players, but boy when I learned about Guthrie, I was like...whoa
Actually the most absorbent and intuitive time frame to practice a day, for each technique or category, is five to ten minutes for the brain to absorb and take it in, to get better. Too much practice is pointless with guitar. In fact you'll notice, when you over practice you start getting worse. Depending on what your line is in the sand that is. Yes, people used to think that basically SLEEPING with and MARRYING your guitar playing it 24/7 is the best way. The fact is, muscle memory, accuracy, and memory in general, will benefit a LOT faster and a LOT more, when you practice however long it is, before you just start losing absorption space in your brain and muscles. It can vary obviously by who the person IS, but yeah, my whole point is, it doesn't really take that much, it takes about five minutes each technique. You make a list of what to practice for the week, then you rotate and change it up the next week, as to not get burnt out or bored too. So in total a day, you should be doing AROUND 30 minutes a day, once through all your things you want to target. Even if it's "how to hold your pick" that can take practice for sure. Lots of people make this mistake, and they end up spending YEARS trying to master this, when in fact, if they were to focus 100 percent for five or ten minutes of it instead, a day, they would have progressed way faster. I had to start completely over a few years ago after playing wrong for a good 17 years or so. Couldn't get past a certain speed or creative landmark. So I started taking lessons, and watching a SHIT ton of vids online. Started working on the priorities. Things you are SUPPOSED to learn BEFORE even learning how to PLAY guitar, economy picking, economy of motion, pick slants, how far we raise out fingers, how far we allow our pinkeys to come up off the fretboard, wasting space making you play slower. ..and even started utilizing the metronome way more often too. Lol Anyways sorry for the length of this, just some thoughts. :) not some know it all on the internet, just sharing my experience, hopefully it helps someone. If anyone needs any more information on what the journey of starting over correctly pertains to and how to do it hit me up. I'm more than happy to share. It really has helped tremendously.
@@johnbraucher1499 if anyone would stop practicing once they get "burnt out or bored too" there wouldn't be any fighters. Obviously you are not a fighter or a guitar model. It sounds like you have ADD.
@@johnbraucher1499 and yet pretty much every big shredder says they played like 12 hours a day. so idk if i believe 15min is ideal. especially since in my first year and half of guitar.. playing 6 hours minimum every day.. i was able to play all of martys solo in rust in peace and the first half of far beyond the sun. which i dont believe i would have if i played 15 minutes instead.
Those Indian slides are the coolest thing I have ever seen,that's what makes the govmeister so great is the amount of techniques he has...awe inspiring
I' m from India and i already a great fan of Guthrie. But when he played those indian slides i cant believe my eyes. Guthrie your knowlege is vast as sea
The humbleness of your instruction and understanding of music is so profound - like a real life wizard showing how the magic trick is done , for me , makes all of your music even more amazing. You are a powerful and inspirational teacher - GOAT !!
I love how he explains the exercise to build hammer on strength in the first finger by hammering on that one string so effortlessly just blasting though a segment of one of the rhythmically challenging classical pieces.
The guy Guthrie is talking about around the 7 minute mark is not Selvganesh. Selvganesh is the drum player. The mandolin player that does the crazy slides is Uppalapu Srivinas.
+jkman10 You're absolutely right; Guthrie got the name wrong; Selvaganesh is an incredible player in the same amazing band called "Remember Shakti". Srinivas is better known as "Mandolin Srinivas", a nickname that McLaughlin used to introduce him as, before his tragic early death. He was one of the greatest musicians I have ever encountered.
@@ReggiePostlethwaite Actually I think it's because he's so kind about it and is always so ready to share his knowledge, in fact every time I've seen him on camera he's been giving away helpful shit
Watched tons of his videos, I had no idea hes so good at slap as well... He is one of the greatest guitar players I have ever seen. So well rounded in everything, the modern Modzardt.
What makes Guthrie more than just skilled at playing guitar is that he's a great teacher as well. He's explaining advanced techniques in a simple way so even an idiot like me is able to understand. I mean I can't play the shit but I understand HOW HE plays it.
I feel like the greatest two musicians to record sitting in a room talking would be Guthrie and Flea. They share the same childlike passion for the exploration of their craft. I'm sure there'd be loads of laughs and tons of wild music in an hours time
This vid is so valuable and precious to me that not only i learned some basic slap and tap technique but also get to know and learn more about great players like victor wooten scoty mishoe jenniger batten stuart hamm .... Yeahi never heard of these players before i watched this video 👍👍
I am learning tender surrender by Steve Vai with Guthrie as instructor and he makes it look and sound so easy almost as a warm up for him. After seeing this perhaps I should open the windows. and just throw my guitar away. What a talent!
DUDE i am constantly amazed how open minded he is in various music styles, he listen to ALL kind of guitar players; from Jeff Beck to unknown virtuoso like Scott Mishoe, from Chet Atkins to Tosin Abasi, from Paco De Lucia to George Benson, from Tommy Emmanuel to TJ Helmerich, from Zakk Wylde to The Edge, from Grant Green to Marty Friedman. While most of us just listen to guitar players from our favorite genres, Guthrie doesn't have a "favorite genre of music", so he listens everything, and he does not spend most of his life on the internet
in an interview he mentioned back then he made money by sending tabs created from he transcribed them by ears for some years from every music demanded. so, this is why he plays everything, despite the fact that he is enjoying everything as well
I absolutely love watching any instructional video with gunthrie.. he takes technical things that seem worlds away and has me playing something similar in hours
It's fascinating... I've been watching guthrie videos when he was not the "best youtube community guitarist"... Just my personal favourite whom I could barely bring up at any gathering... One thing hasn't changed... I'll always have an unconscious smile 20 seconds passed the videos... It's amazing how good and silent(often unnoticed) his approach to spread love,care and stopping violence is....People like these should be neurally mapped if possible by some tech... They need to be preserved and studied... By everyone, not by science people only... Another one of his kind was shawn lane... I could name a few more uniquely monstrous players(Ron thal,Alex hutchings,and if I start on people like greg howe,jeff beck,jimi hendrix the list will only get longer),but hardly as beautiful a person as these....
Wow! This is my second video watched of this guy!! I just learned of him and I have no words! I would love to be able to download everything he knows lol. Amazing guitarist.....just phenomenal. Wow!!
Quick thing: it's not Selvagenesh but U Srinivas who plays the Mandolin. Selvagenesh is the percussionist. (I just looked it up cause it's almost 2 in the effin morning and my brain gets super curious about random things at this time.)
+Luis Flores Guthrie is speaking as if on the the behalf of the djent community!!! "Mostly it's not about the notes, this style is not about playing an awesome memorable melody...But that's ok you're just trying to create a rhythmic vibe."
9:10 "I like to use something I will always have on me, and I've generally got plenty of these" the moment I noticed it's two boxes of rizzla white rolling papers he's got stacked there, everything about this guy and his music suddenly made perfect sense to me. "Uncle skunk" indeed.
Alex is right. Guthrie uses those to roll his own cigarettes, something few people do anymore. If you run into him in public sometimes it will look like he's smoking a joint, until you realize he just buys his own blends of tobacco and rolls his own cigarettes.
@@frostinfy169 Looks like he's doing those 'finger harmonics' (no, that's not what they're called but essesntially check it out: Play like Fret 5 on the G string, then without letting go (letting that note ring) VERY LIGHTLY tap the 15th fret on the same string without ACTUALLY pressing down the string and you'll see that it makes a harmonic. Since most of those notes originate around the 5th fret, it looks like he's picking the chord with a pick but also lightly brushing that extened index finger over all the notes on the 15th fret (Very lightly, not actually pressing). That's my guess and nope, I haven't tried it out yet. That my son, I leave to you
If you like the slapping technique on the guitar, check out eddie van halens solo at the beginning of the song mean streets. Or his other great solos for that matter, on sinners swing, romeo delight, light up the sky, spanish fly, I'll wait, ice cream man, and eruption.
Anytime I start to feel a little too pleased with myself, I just watch a Guthrie video.
..and get sent back to reality.
+Kevin James Stevens but this is not reality; Guthrie is the stuff people dream about.
It's both. Such is the Nature of Guthrie.
he can teach a master class to musicians who teach master classes.
Just be the best version of yourself mate ;-)
'a drummer doing the two handed thing'
never seen a more ingenious way of describing a drumroll
His communication skills come close to matching his guitar talent. Always impressed by Mr. Govan.
Joe Satriani: "What sets Guthrie apart, is that no matter what he’s doing-picking, tapping, slapping, playing legato, whatever-he mixes everything up gracefully and absolutely nails each approach. And all the while the music sounds natural.”
totally
Gerald Francis 100% in agreement.
Also Joe Satriani: "I taught Kirk Hammett how to WAH"
I love Satriani so much but Govan is so cool and great! Both masters
8:26 - "...all this gibberish"
*plays most beautiful thing I've ever heard*
I saw this comment and thought, "nah it can't be like that." Yeah, I'm laughing hysterically because that was pretty damn beautiful.
If a maj7 arpeggio is the most beautiful thing you've ever heard, your musical culture is worrying (but you wouldn't be the only one is that case, far from it alas)
If you think that's a maj7th arpeggio, your music theory knowledge is worrying- it's a c#m7 (minor 7th) (B C# E G#) and it's indeed beautiful. :)
+Flanger Kit fairly sure he just meant it was an maj7 not necessarily an a maj7, things can sound cool even if they're simple, that's for the other guy.
LOL, I felt the same way ("plays most beautiful thing I've ever heard") at 9:25
Isn't a wonderful thing that in our times we are able to get master classes from these geniuses of the guitar (and any other instrument) anywhere in the world and in the confort of your home? Amazing times indeed.
Guthrie is an ABSOLUTE genius, he probably locked himself up in a room during his formative years, deprived himself of any social life and just practiced and practiced....The evolution of these Shredders like him has gotten more advanced...just when I thought Vai and Paul Gilbert were already super-advanced players, but boy when I learned about Guthrie, I was like...whoa
Actually the most absorbent and intuitive time frame to practice a day, for each technique or category, is five to ten minutes for the brain to absorb and take it in, to get better. Too much practice is pointless with guitar. In fact you'll notice, when you over practice you start getting worse. Depending on what your line is in the sand that is.
Yes, people used to think that basically SLEEPING with and MARRYING your guitar playing it 24/7 is the best way. The fact is, muscle memory, accuracy, and memory in general, will benefit a LOT faster and a LOT more, when you practice however long it is, before you just start losing absorption space in your brain and muscles. It can vary obviously by who the person IS, but yeah, my whole point is, it doesn't really take that much, it takes about five minutes each technique. You make a list of what to practice for the week, then you rotate and change it up the next week, as to not get burnt out or bored too. So in total a day, you should be doing AROUND 30 minutes a day, once through all your things you want to target. Even if it's "how to hold your pick" that can take practice for sure. Lots of people make this mistake, and they end up spending YEARS trying to master this, when in fact, if they were to focus 100 percent for five or ten minutes of it instead, a day, they would have progressed way faster. I had to start completely over a few years ago after playing wrong for a good 17 years or so. Couldn't get past a certain speed or creative landmark. So I started taking lessons, and watching a SHIT ton of vids online. Started working on the priorities. Things you are SUPPOSED to learn BEFORE even learning how to PLAY guitar, economy picking, economy of motion, pick slants, how far we raise out fingers, how far we allow our pinkeys to come up off the fretboard, wasting space making you play slower. ..and even started utilizing the metronome way more often too. Lol
Anyways sorry for the length of this, just some thoughts. :) not some know it all on the internet, just sharing my experience, hopefully it helps someone. If anyone needs any more information on what the journey of starting over correctly pertains to and how to do it hit me up. I'm more than happy to share. It really has helped tremendously.
GUTHRIE É O MAIOR GUITAR DE TODOS OS TEMPOS.
@@johnbraucher1499 if anyone would stop practicing once they get "burnt out or bored too" there wouldn't be any fighters. Obviously you are not a fighter or a guitar model. It sounds like you have ADD.
@@johnbraucher1499 and yet pretty much every big shredder says they played like 12 hours a day. so idk if i believe 15min is ideal. especially since in my first year and half of guitar.. playing 6 hours minimum every day.. i was able to play all of martys solo in rust in peace and the first half of far beyond the sun. which i dont believe i would have if i played 15 minutes instead.
@@sararichi1463 not really the most informed reply on your part. John makes a lot of valid proven points.
He makes me realize how little I know about playing my guitar. Truly an amazing musician.
He's such a generous guitarist. Fast becoming my favourite.
*plays mind bendingly difficult lick*
"That kind of idea..."
He's a good teacher actually
Those Indian slides are the coolest thing I have ever seen,that's what makes the govmeister so great is the amount of techniques he has...awe inspiring
I am not a guitar player, but can watch this for hours, his humor and musicality is really inspiring. You can learn a lot from him.
I' m from India and i already a great fan of Guthrie. But when he played those indian slides i cant believe my eyes. Guthrie your knowlege is vast as sea
This man can simply do ANYTHING on his guitar.
Guthrie Govan is a world heritage... it should be somehow preserved...
He's got so many tricks up his sleeve.... not a lot of guitarists can master slide, slap, and not to mention that killer legato that he has
The humbleness of your instruction and understanding of music is so profound - like a real life wizard showing how the magic trick is done , for me , makes all of your music even more amazing. You are a powerful and inspirational teacher - GOAT !!
7:50 When guitar has no more frets but you still want that low tonic note...
oh man...
SWEET
love this guy he is really humble and so giving.
I just love this guys attitude. He's grown to be one of my favorite guitarist. He's so scary good! Makes me want to go practice!
slap the dead thing
-guthrie govan
Always such a pleasure just to listen and watch Guthrie doing his thing; amazing ideas, phrasing, tone and execution every time.
Anytime i watch a "Guthrie video",Iam always learning new things!
Guthrie proves that nice guys don't always finish last.
Awesome! Not just inspiring in ability but a good example of the humility and joy of playing that every guitarist should try to emulate
He’s so likable. I could watch him all day.
Most influential guitarist of our time. A Humble and an amazing guitar player.
I love how he explains the exercise to build hammer on strength in the first finger by hammering on that one string so effortlessly just blasting though a segment of one of the rhythmically challenging classical pieces.
9:15 "And I like to use something I'll always have on me" *whips out a Rizzla LMAO Gurthrie you the man!!!
The amount and speed of Guthrie's slides must build some serious callouses on his fingers. Such a talented and unique musician.
The guy Guthrie is talking about around the 7 minute mark is not Selvganesh. Selvganesh is the drum player. The mandolin player that does the crazy slides is Uppalapu Srivinas.
+jkman10 lol
+jkman10 You're absolutely right; Guthrie got the name wrong; Selvaganesh is an incredible player in the same amazing band called "Remember Shakti". Srinivas is better known as "Mandolin Srinivas", a nickname that McLaughlin used to introduce him as, before his tragic early death. He was one of the greatest musicians I have ever encountered.
Yep well noticed
He’s a master percussionist and is featured on John McLaughlin’s brilliant video series on Konnokol rhythms.
Gotta love this guy!
he makes those impossible level tapping licks look easy as pie
Guthrie is one of those guys that are better than you by miles, but for some reason you can't hate him for being so :D
Qazdar Karim Absolutely. No ego, so I'm proud to say he's way better than me!
because if you aren't a butthurt mediocre, you appreciate the fucking talent. So this is a compliment.
@@ReggiePostlethwaite Actually I think it's because he's so kind about it and is always so ready to share his knowledge, in fact every time I've seen him on camera he's been giving away helpful shit
The way he talks is almost as beautiful as his guitar playing
But steve vai is a hater(jealous) of him
So articulate with his teachings. An absolute Master!! Thank you for your insight 🙏😊
oh guthrie. you are the king. that slide guitar was beautiful. i need to try that trick and learn those lines.
Watched tons of his videos, I had no idea hes so good at slap as well... He is one of the greatest guitar players I have ever seen. So well rounded in everything, the modern Modzardt.
You gotta love a lesson by Guthrie such an amazingly talented guitarist and a nice guy too 👍
What makes Guthrie more than just skilled at playing guitar is that he's a great teacher as well. He's explaining advanced techniques in a simple way so even an idiot like me is able to understand. I mean I can't play the shit but I understand HOW HE plays it.
Gracias Guthrie por ser tan amable en compartir tanta sabiduría. La humildad de los grandes!
Raising the action at the nut with a piece of paper is absolutely ingenious!
Thats the best tutorial I think I've seen in 3rd century playing - Mr.Entertainment!!!
His guitar tone here is like.. extra awesome or something. Can't get enough of it.
That bend to the low B at 7:50 was absolutely perfect! O.O
... Guthrie's a god...
Particulary the best lesson I've ever seen.
I feel like the greatest two musicians to record sitting in a room talking would be Guthrie and Flea. They share the same childlike passion for the exploration of their craft. I'm sure there'd be loads of laughs and tons of wild music in an hours time
Fabulous!!!
For somebody who is so unbelievably good to recomend a slap guitarist that is so unbelievably good is humbleness and greatness
Humility
@@philmckenna5709 Right! and propriety
I love how smart and perfect he is on guitar and then he tries to describe drumming as the "two handed thing"
How does it feel to wake up in the morning knowing you are the greatest guitar player in history sir?
Shredding+music theory+comedy=greatness
Without doubt a true gent and a guitar deity
Whenever i watch any of Guthrie's tutorial clips, i just sit here shaking my head, with a big, shit eating grin! What a legend... \m/ (:o)
This vid is so valuable and precious to me that not only i learned some basic slap and tap technique but also get to know and learn more about great players like victor wooten scoty mishoe jenniger batten stuart hamm .... Yeahi never heard of these players before i watched this video 👍👍
I am learning tender surrender by Steve Vai with Guthrie as instructor and he makes it look and sound so easy almost as a warm up for him. After seeing this perhaps I should open the windows. and just throw my guitar away. What a talent!
7:49 when you don't have a 7 string and run out of notes on the low end but then you realize you're Guthrie Govan
In these 14 minutes I learnt more than in all my previous years of playing guitar
Tim Henson is great at being slappy and melodious
DUDE i am constantly amazed how open minded he is in various music styles, he listen to ALL kind of guitar players; from Jeff Beck to unknown virtuoso like Scott Mishoe, from Chet Atkins to Tosin Abasi, from Paco De Lucia to George Benson, from Tommy Emmanuel to TJ Helmerich, from Zakk Wylde to The Edge, from Grant Green to Marty Friedman. While most of us just listen to guitar players from our favorite genres, Guthrie doesn't have a "favorite genre of music", so he listens everything, and he does not spend most of his life on the internet
The dude plays everything, obviously because he hears from everything as well
in an interview he mentioned back then he made money by sending tabs created from he transcribed them by ears for some years from every music demanded. so, this is why he plays everything, despite the fact that he is enjoying everything as well
this is marvelous! why doesn't this have more views!? great stuff and insight to his playing.
I'm nowhere near such a level of control over, but this is very inspiring (and, to be honest, very pleasant just to watch and listen). THX
I absolutely love watching any instructional video with gunthrie.. he takes technical things that seem worlds away and has me playing something similar in hours
Amazing and humble a rare combination indeed
possibly the best slap lesson on youtube
Damn you Guthrie Govan .. with your mastery of all things guitar and making it look easy ..
It's fascinating... I've been watching guthrie videos when he was not the "best youtube community guitarist"... Just my personal favourite whom I could barely bring up at any gathering... One thing hasn't changed... I'll always have an unconscious smile 20 seconds passed the videos... It's amazing how good and silent(often unnoticed) his approach to spread love,care and stopping violence is....People like these should be neurally mapped if possible by some tech... They need to be preserved and studied... By everyone, not by science people only... Another one of his kind was shawn lane... I could name a few more uniquely monstrous players(Ron thal,Alex hutchings,and if I start on people like greg howe,jeff beck,jimi hendrix the list will only get longer),but hardly as beautiful a person as these....
"Slap the Dead Thing, then Slap it Again."
Great song title!
One of the best, no doubt.
What an amazing musician
I don't play a guitar but it's certainly fun watching you explain your magic. Especially impressed with the Indian sliding technique.
Wow! This is my second video watched of this guy!! I just learned of him and I have no words! I would love to be able to download everything he knows lol. Amazing guitarist.....just phenomenal. Wow!!
Wonderfully Awesome Guitarist Guthrie Govan and seems like such a Nice Guy
"The drummer doing that 2-handed thing"...
that kind of playing inspires me.
Quick thing: it's not Selvagenesh but U Srinivas who plays the Mandolin. Selvagenesh is the percussionist. (I just looked it up cause it's almost 2 in the effin morning and my brain gets super curious about random things at this time.)
This guy is an awesome performer and still so humble. btw thanx 4 sharing. greetings from buin,Chile.
Wena CTM!
+Luis Flores Guthrie is speaking as if on the the behalf of the djent community!!! "Mostly it's not about the notes, this style is not about playing an awesome memorable melody...But that's ok you're just trying to create a rhythmic vibe."
9:10 "I like to use something I will always have on me, and I've generally got plenty of these" the moment I noticed it's two boxes of rizzla white rolling papers he's got stacked there, everything about this guy and his music suddenly made perfect sense to me. "Uncle skunk" indeed.
You do know you can actually roll regular tobacco with those, right?
Alex Dm9
You two are funny.
Alex is right. Guthrie uses those to roll his own cigarettes, something few people do anymore. If you run into him in public sometimes it will look like he's smoking a joint, until you realize he just buys his own blends of tobacco and rolls his own cigarettes.
M. Goetz That's normal, but what about "Uncle Skunk" then?
Matteo Allegra Yea, it is. Most people just buy the pre made packs. Very few people roll their own, but it seems to be coming back a bit here.
Guthrie describing his own song:
I am pulling the D string...for some reason.
Gotta love this man!
7:00 the mandolin player's name is U. Srinivas. Selvaganesh is a percussionist. BTW Awesome video! Guthrie is one of my heroes!
Old but still good! Ben Lacy is a master of this.
Guthrie is Great
I Love this guy...Incredible Guitar player and a Master Teacher
Thanks for sharing this! It really helped me to learn the slapping technique on guitar.
12:50; did he just pinch-harmonic the whole chord?
This man is arcane.
I think it's harp harmonic lol
Ian Johnson his Godvan...
What the actual fuck I've just watched? He's not human, I refuse to accept it
I didn't know it was possible, how do you do it, serious question
@@frostinfy169 Looks like he's doing those 'finger harmonics' (no, that's not what they're called but essesntially check it out: Play like Fret 5 on the G string, then without letting go (letting that note ring) VERY LIGHTLY tap the 15th fret on the same string without ACTUALLY pressing down the string and you'll see that it makes a harmonic. Since most of those notes originate around the 5th fret, it looks like he's picking the chord with a pick but also lightly brushing that extened index finger over all the notes on the 15th fret (Very lightly, not actually pressing). That's my guess and nope, I haven't tried it out yet. That my son, I leave to you
GUTHRIE GOVAN :
TOP OF THE UNIVERSE!
The Mandolin player he talks about is U Srinivas not Selvaganesh. Selvaganesh Vinayaka is the percussionist who played with Mclaughlin !!
Very well explained and deconstructed! Perfect!
Man that’s soo awesome thanks for sharing I’m getting back into playing guitar again
He's so well spoken.
He is a real bless guitarist, Unbelievabley talented guy! thanx for the upload.
Selva Ganesh playes Khanjira, the person Guthrie I think talking about is late Mendolin Shrinivas!! Great player
Incredible lesson and teaching. Thank You. A keeper.
Guthrie Govan: if you want melodic dont slap, at least that's my theory
Tosin abasi: Hold my beer
Thank you so much Guthrie
That slide guitar hack is awesome! I need to try that with my guitar :)
What a master of the strings!
He is an absolute fucking beast! And his music and music taste is sublime!!!!
If you like the slapping technique on the guitar, check out eddie van halens solo at the beginning of the song mean streets. Or his other great solos for that matter, on sinners swing, romeo delight, light up the sky, spanish fly, I'll wait, ice cream man, and eruption.
Guthrie is a true artist and a good teacher