AA pilot tries to play the "I'll have to return to the gate in 2 minutes for fuel!' Card - and the Controller calls him on it! Score 1 for ATC!! Airliners departing busy IFR terminals sometimes also try the same nonsense to gain priority. Seriously, WHEN a wise pilot sees an actual potential for a delay or other issue coming up - and gives a Heads Up to ATC in good time - itis always well received and met with cooperative efforts from controllers. At least that was my experience over a 30 year career. Fly Safe folks!
American pilot was so unprofessional and entitled. The controller should have just held for 2 minutes to see if he taxed back to the terminal. His fuel margins can't be that tight and if they are he is unsafe and should not be flying a commercial airliner.
Well, actually they can. There are times the dispatch computer gives as little as 5 minutes taxi fuel. Now, I’m NOT trying to defend this AA** hole…he handled it ALL wrong. But, tight taxi fuel can & does happen.
I always play it safe with fuel for reasons like this. Although fuel minimums are thing I don’t like get near them. If I calculate for an hour long flight I’d rather have twice the amount of fuel than have to call a bingo. By the way the PIC is responsible for all phases of flight to include planning. If you fail to plan you plan to fail.
@ I don’t understand your question. If you’re trying to start an argument you’re barking up the wrong tree. FAA requirements are very clear it doesn’t matter if they have flight planners or not bottom line you’re a PIC. Command your aircraft.
This is a symptom of the money required to progress in aviation and the resulting entitlement wealth often brings. AAL pilot likely flew on daddy's dime and has never heard "no" in his life. Probably has the same amount of time hand flying as the pilots doing touch and gos.
Or he's been dealing with misfortunes all day, his dog died, he has left testicle pain, and he is two minutes from needing to refuel... See how dumb it is to come up with deluded stories?
@@adammiller9179 You didn't understand. The PNF said very clearly that he had 2 minutes of holding short left until he had to RTG. Airliners operate with a minimum takeoff fuel. It's very very rarely that close though unless you're flying something like an MD-80.
Airplanes carry plenty of reserve fuel, but it’s for diversions, go-arounds, etc. Not to be used for regular flight according to plan. Basically, they are not allowed to depart if their computer tells them "with the fuel remaining, even in the best case you will eat into your reserve before arriving at your destination" (don’t know if that was really the case here, but that was the card the pilot was playing).
The pilot had 10 seconds of irritability and everyone reacts like this ^ ... Try no to always assume the worst. Once in a while, give someone the benefit of the doubt.
Come on, guys! 1, separation of heavy commercial jet and G A aircraft is a fundamental element of safety adopted as policy more than 40 years ago. But in less busier areas, joint use of a field is advantageous to all aviators. Its expensive extended runways, multiple offramps, spacious well lit taxiways, control tower and ATC, ILS, radar, and IFR capabilities provide safety, an excellent training situations, and allows GA its equal access to such. However, in this case, Tower control & orcestration could make it all flow perfectly, and pilots with an eager attitude of give and take to accommodate everyone would really help, but then every controller hasn't reached te level of a Mistro! On the other hand, a lot of pilots could really polish their acts. Hey, a call out to a controller or Tower that you wouldn't mind a little extended downwind to ease things up might just be greatly appreciate.....most of the time it's just one or two of ya out there, think if a bunch of people that just suffered 2 hours of pure d hell of TSA ect to just get a seat, pilots flying around with just enough fuel & no more....and there they sit....waiting
I don't really see what personal problems have anything to do with it. When my day isn't going well, I don't run red lights to be home sooner or to burn less gas.
I had to scroll all the way to the very last comment for someone to give the pilot the benefit of the doubt. How can 99% of people be so cynical and pessimistic? The pilot had about 10 seconds of impatience before straightening himself out.
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AA pilot tries to play the "I'll have to return to the gate in 2 minutes for fuel!' Card - and the Controller calls him on it! Score 1 for ATC!! Airliners departing busy IFR terminals sometimes also try the same nonsense to gain priority. Seriously, WHEN a wise pilot sees an actual potential for a delay or other issue coming up - and gives a Heads Up to ATC in good time - itis always well received and met with cooperative efforts from controllers. At least that was my experience over a 30 year career. Fly Safe folks!
You didn’t know about it 2 mins ago? Who does your fuel planning, Maverick?
Scrooge, maybe.
It's a commercial airport, and flight schools are commercial businesses, so there.
Commercial pilot already forgot how his career started. Stay grounded captain happy you started small to achieve something larger.
As soon as you heard AA pilot's voice, you could tell he was the entitled kind.
Controller called the AA pilot out well I think. Maybe next time he’ll sit back down on his high horse 🎠
Who's fault for not planning fuel better? The little planes with student pilots are not crying to tower about a fuel problem, princess.
The FAA certified dispatchers do the fuel planning, doofus. AA uploaded the required fuel stated on the release.
@@herkloader34 Captain signs off on it. They can, and do, change fuel depending on needs. At least we do at G4.
US ATC is based on first come, first serve. It’s not supposed to matter what kind of “field it is”.
love how the controller made the controller calm down by talking even louder. sometimes that's the only language a person understands
AA it's just too damned bad! It's not a private airport.
If I was ATC I would have given him instructions to taxi back to the ramp for fuel
American pilot was so unprofessional and entitled. The controller should have just held for 2 minutes to see if he taxed back to the terminal. His fuel margins can't be that tight and if they are he is unsafe and should not be flying a commercial airliner.
Right... because THAT would have been professional.
Well, actually they can. There are times the dispatch computer gives as little as 5 minutes taxi fuel. Now, I’m NOT trying to defend this AA** hole…he handled it ALL wrong. But, tight taxi fuel can & does happen.
I always play it safe with fuel for reasons like this. Although fuel minimums are thing I don’t like get near them. If I calculate for an hour long flight I’d rather have twice the amount of fuel than have to call a bingo. By the way the PIC is responsible for all phases of flight to include planning. If you fail to plan you plan to fail.
You are an AA pilot who plans their fuel?
@ I don’t understand your question. If you’re trying to start an argument you’re barking up the wrong tree. FAA requirements are very clear it doesn’t matter if they have flight planners or not bottom line you’re a PIC. Command your aircraft.
Pilot's boss needs to have a word with him...
Surely a pilot should know their fuel situation all the time. Shows incompetence by the so called professional pilot.
This is a symptom of the money required to progress in aviation and the resulting entitlement wealth often brings. AAL pilot likely flew on daddy's dime and has never heard "no" in his life. Probably has the same amount of time hand flying as the pilots doing touch and gos.
Or he's been dealing with misfortunes all day, his dog died, he has left testicle pain, and he is two minutes from needing to refuel... See how dumb it is to come up with deluded stories?
They have so little spare fuel they can't sit on the runway for an extra 2 minutes? Does AA not believe in safety margins on its flights?
No, they have much more than two minutes. The pilot said he was AT the two minute mark. Understand now?
@@adammiller9179 You didn't understand. The PNF said very clearly that he had 2 minutes of holding short left until he had to RTG. Airliners operate with a minimum takeoff fuel. It's very very rarely that close though unless you're flying something like an MD-80.
Airplanes carry plenty of reserve fuel, but it’s for diversions, go-arounds, etc. Not to be used for regular flight according to plan. Basically, they are not allowed to depart if their computer tells them "with the fuel remaining, even in the best case you will eat into your reserve before arriving at your destination" (don’t know if that was really the case here, but that was the card the pilot was playing).
The pilot had 10 seconds of irritability and everyone reacts like this ^ ... Try no to always assume the worst. Once in a while, give someone the benefit of the doubt.
It's perfectly fine to be irritable. You can even feel entitled. Just don't do either with your finger on the transmit button.
I’m not convinced the American pilot … is a pilot…
Come on, guys! 1, separation of heavy commercial jet and G A aircraft is a fundamental element of safety adopted as policy more than 40 years ago. But in less busier areas, joint use of a field is advantageous to all aviators. Its expensive extended runways, multiple offramps, spacious well lit taxiways, control tower and ATC, ILS, radar, and IFR capabilities provide safety, an excellent training situations, and allows GA its equal access to such. However, in this case, Tower control & orcestration could make it all flow perfectly, and pilots with an eager attitude of give and take to accommodate everyone would really help, but then every controller hasn't reached te level of a Mistro! On the other hand, a lot of pilots could really polish their acts. Hey, a call out to a controller or Tower that you wouldn't mind a little extended downwind to ease things up might just be greatly appreciate.....most of the time it's just one or two of ya out there, think if a bunch of people that just suffered 2 hours of pure d hell of TSA ect to just get a seat, pilots flying around with just enough fuel & no more....and there they sit....waiting
Public airport
All airports are public
Not all lol
@ we don’t talk about private or military. Otherwise- yes
@flyinter1988 why not? Private fields matter too! And military fields are a good way to see solders in action!
lol, no.
What a 🤡show
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Very Unprofessional!
that pilot was prob going through personal probs - but the controllers should have also kept cooler heads
I don't really see what personal problems have anything to do with it. When my day isn't going well, I don't run red lights to be home sooner or to burn less gas.
@@PeterBee911 Wow, you're amazing. You've never let things affect you. Are you a Buddhist monk?
I had to scroll all the way to the very last comment for someone to give the pilot the benefit of the doubt. How can 99% of people be so cynical and pessimistic? The pilot had about 10 seconds of impatience before straightening himself out.