Is Nintendo Going After MIG Switch Owners?
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I’m acting in an official capacity when I use my mig switch therefore I cannot be held liable.
I noticed banned switches dont connect to nintendo meaning you can have the mig switch run on one banned switch and the other unbanned switch having the game you dumped.
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I love the song and my favorite part is after your outro cut!
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I am going to correct some material from Reddit... Nintendo did anonymously buy a MIG Switch as soon as it was available. They do this for all mod tools. The MIG does not inject its own code into the Switch. It simply simulates a game selection process as an intermediary. What Nintendo detected was multiple, simultaneous uses of some certificates. They "expire" the certificates and then bans any accounts that try to access the game online with said "expired" certificate. The only way they could suspect the MIG is if its programmers were dumb enough to leave a signature or file on the Switch.
So, things like trying to update the game or connect to multiplayer requires certificate checks. Think of the certificate as a license. Nintendo is essentially revoking it. Nintendo does not care if your friend copied your game, with permission or not, everyone gets banned.
Can ppl buy a used game and not be able to play it since ppl have that on their mig? So ppl could dump the game to the mig..then sell the game to gamestop and it comes unplayable to the owner of the actual cart?
I see Ron is talking about that now
Essentially, the problems begin if someone buys a Switch game and trades it in or rents and returns it after cloning/dumping it. If by some coincidence, multiple people are trying to access online with the same or an "expired" certificate, the system automatically detects the simultaneous usage and reacts accordingly. GameStop, GameFly, Mom & Pop Shops... None of them have a way to detect cloned games prior to accepting them. MIG essentially creates a method ripe for abuse and in the case of GameStop, a Nintendo merchandise partner, creates a problem for Nintendo if they cannot control the secondary market thier partner relies upon. While GameStop is relatively small potatoes in gaming these days, Nintendo ignoring such issues would also create an unwanted precedence for any similar future mods. I would not recommend buying pre-owned or renting Switch games at this point.
This is known years back when people did effectively the same thing with 3DS carts. People never learn from their mistakes, and it's to be expected.
Nintendon't could detect MIG Switches, if they want to. They just need to measure the timing of read/write access of the memory. Different memory-chips have different access speed patterns. They could use it as an fingerprint.
If you want to use one of these, you should just accept that it will be an offline switch imo
It is amazing to me anybody or somebody figured out, how to make these flash cartridges for the switch.
I hope nintendo dont do some weird anti piracy on their next gen
They been doing since the NES days
Yea, I wouldn't be too surprised if they pulled off some Xbox One announcement manuever for their next system after all of this
I'm sad to see that this video doesn't contain any actual information and instead just raises fears. With a bit of research, some of the questions raised in the video can easily be answered.
Fears should be raised tbh, as a modchip user i'd be the first to tell you this is a dumb solution, there's so many ways the official firmware can bust you for this it's not even funny. Just do it properly, have a modchip and an EmuNAND
I'm still put off by the whole -inserting and reinserting the cart to access different games- thing. On top of that, the Switch is still active and the EShop is still open. I'll check out Switch emulation when they inevitably shut the EShop down.
I wonder if you can use a code off your own new game and be able o to play any other game on the mig switch, as long as you always use the same code and nobody else uses it, maybe Nintendo can't tell which codes go with each game... May have to buy a single game from each developer.
Every cartridge has a unique id code
If you strictly use it as advertised.. you'll likely never get banned.
I use my migswitch almost daily while online and I'm not banned (playing splatoon 2 and splatoon 3). But im using copies of my own games, and nobody uses my games while I'm using my migswitch. Take that for what it's worth.
Why would you need a Switch to play Your bought Switch games?
You can use an emulator with the mig
Why not have the mig switch just not certify the backup?
So for the banning multiple people using the same certificate for mario kart 8 for example it kicks everyone thats using the same certificate at the same time from the online service with a error code thwy can try again but will do the same result im sure the more that happens they most likekly do a account ban if not the more harsher case a console ban
I just want my dumper so that I can rightly back up my games for my PC/Steam Deck.
those that are getting banned are playing pirated games, I been using my Mig with my own dumped games for over a month, however when I use it my switch is in airplane mode and the only games I play online I own digitally and don't have my Mig in the switch when I do go online.
Making new certificates is an easy way to get random people banned from Nintendo network.
Basically be really careful when buying a used game because if the previous owner dumped it to their mig, both them and you can get your consoles banned if you or them connect the consoles online.
So used games are now bad? Lol. Falling for there trap
@SenorWhyMEWell there you go. Pay Nintendo for playing their games instead of someone else.
@SenorWhyME Yeah you do you. Just don’t complain when they try to protect their IPs.
Linus did a video using one. Alot of people saw it and rushed to aliexpress..think he'll get sued?
The software to sign certs is in the nintendo leak.
Pirates used to understand what part of the community they/we belonged to. This crap is just dumb.
As corporate greed becomes more and more bold, so do the pirates. It's the natural cycle.
@@jishani1I mean, you can just NOT buy their overpriced games. Stick to cheaper games. Wait for sales. Or you know, cut back on overloading on your backlog that you never seem to get to. There is something about enjoying each and every game you buy instead of feeling like you need to buy them all and run through them like toilet paper.
First time commenting, but I am hooked to your videos. Always good content. Just wanna say I dig it dude.
The more I think about this, the more I should think they should’ve waited for the console to run it’s course, like the others. 😔😕
If I were a full time pirate, I would do up to the 6th generation…with a quite powerful laptop.
I've been following the mig testing on a certain site's forum for months now. Here's what I understand about the whole certificate file weirdness. Yes, you can use a different certificate renamed to match the xcf file (eg the rom) and it will work on your switch. However, it WILL get you a ban if you go online AT ALL with that switch after. There are logs deep inside your switch that cannot be erased that will report back to big N. And of course, simultaneous uses of the same certificates is going to get flagged, which absolutely should cause a major problem with renting games and like, getting them from the library or borrowing them from friends very soon. However, if you use the mig for its "intended purpose" (for once, one of these types of things were absolutely serious about that), and use it to back up your own games and not like, give the files to anybody else, it's going to be read exactly like the original copy, and everything will be fine. Basically the main reason to get one at this point is to organize your game collection. even then, don't bother with the original mig, go for one of the followups already out that has some sort of button pressing system instead of the eject method. Some even have it so long holds go backwards in the game queue.
I’m all for N protecting their IPs but there is ONE useful thing the MIG does. It’s to protect your investment. Say I lost my Switch game case with 24 games. If I had it backup, all fine and dandy. But now those copies being in the wild and if someone gets online with those games. Both of us would be screwed by getting banned online.
@@thelastdragon5551Yeah because that's not it's intended use. The intended and more appropriate use would be if you have 24 games that you cannot carry all the time then you get a MIG Switch and everything is on one cart. Your games are safe and so is M IG Switch being in the slot safely.
@@nayyarrashid4661 Yeah that makes even more sense.
Doing these things to a console thats currently being sold and supported, is always too risky and comes with consequences people should not ignore. If the console is not being sold and supported then its less of an issue legally.
I’m not fully against piracy, it has its purposes.
But anyone who thinks you should be free of any repercussions to pirating, emulating, or modding current systems in any way is insane.
When the inventor of the mig switch confirmed individual carts have IDs that shouldn’t be copied they had a moral duty to not make the product until another method was found.
Doesn’t matter how much they advertised it to be used for only legal purposes and only your own games … everyone knows what “rom carts” are used for. And it’s not for your own backups.
But here we are, and everyone is acting like Nintendo is evil.
They are protecting their IP which is their entire business and existence. Modders and pirates aren’t evil either, but there’s nothing victimless about it.
Some one, some where gets hurt. The victim with the migswitch? Anyone who buys that dumped cartridge second hand.
It's the Yuzu story all over again, maybe if it weren't for all the "piRATiNg NintENdO gAmeS iS ALWaYs jUstIfiEd BeCAuSE tHEy'RE bAD" people on the internet, this wouldn't be happening
Things like this for currently active systems should be kept lowkey like in the PS4/5/Xbox scene
Will you protect me from Nintendo, Big Poppa Pixel?
I received a switch a couple years ago as a gift. Looked at the store, saw they still wanted full price for games that came out 10 years ago and never touched it again. The only way i'd use their hardware is modded, they can gtfo never putting their games on sale. You could have got something, now you get nothing.
Short question: Why should a game go down in price? It's not like there is less content in the game now than at it's release.
@@LG555I think because over time most people who wanted to play it will have bought it already, Nintendo and Sony and MS used to have "selects" or "platinum" versions towards the end of the console life cycle. So why did they themselves lower the prices if it wasn't beneficial?
@@thelastofus2872 because unlike the Wii, the Switch and its games are still selling (MK8 sometimes appearing in the top 10 again) and new games are also still coming out.
Forget about the Switch Lawsuits for a Moment... how come you haven't said anything about the Atari Limited Edition Super Pocket that just launched for pre-order? Only 2600 made so get it while you still can as they already sold out of the bundle with an included case for it (although it can be purchased on its own).
Nintendo, the Sol Rosenberg of gaming. They'll sue everybody
What I’m trying to understand if they had an sd card full of bootleg games why would they log onto Nintendo’s servers? It’s like they wanted to be banded
because of game updates, dlc, and online multiplayer.
@@SuperHyphyOne yea those are available, to those who buy the game🤣 “you choose to sail the seven seas mate-e you got to learn to swim,arrrr.”🏴☠️that means offline, as is. Later down the road you may get a version with the updates but you don’t call the guy you just robbed and ask for handouts
@@pimpinken8901 just to be clear, when sailing the 🏴☠️seas, can I just put both the game and the update files onto the mig sd card then load that up on a switch and the thing will work?
@@CrimsonMey you might be able to find a copy of a game cause some one ripped it but the update, pretty sure those are only on Nintendo servers and having the original game is the only way to access it. And having the original game means not needing a bootleg. Honestly, even if you had it, I wouldn’t even know where to start to insert it. You need software just for decoding the .NSP file and insert it in specific lines. That’s above my pay grade. You’d be better off just playing what you find and just check back a few times a year for a slightly larger file that might have the update. but it doesn’t matter those updates are made for original hardware which you’re not using anyway, I doubt you see a difference.
@@pimpinken8901 thanks. So basically harder than playing on an emu...
Even if you're turning off Wi-Fi when using the Mig-Switch cart, your Switch keeps logs and will send these out to Nintendo servers the second your system reconnects back to a network. If you decide to use this *especially with pirated roms or the wrong certificate, expect to have your console banned.
I didn't think the switch would have an EOL like past consoles. I met they're still gonna use the same eShop and Nintendo switch online as the Switch 2 keeping the Switch system alive for even longer.
My concern is buying a used game & some jerk dumped & copied it then traded it in. Tgen ya how does nintendo know who has the real copy. I buy lots of used games but now I have to wonder when this happens, who is getting screwed & banned?!
my plan with my MIG switch was to only back up games I physically own and only use them legally at least until keeping the switch online has little or no value
i was thinking of getting the Echoes of Destiny Switch lite and exclusively using it offline for safety purposes
Nintendo opens itself up to lawsuits if they're taking punitive action against people who are copying their own games and using them 100% legally with the MIG Switch, so I highly doubt they'll do anything about that specific use case even if they technically can detect it
I think it's probable they will take action if they detect two versions of the exact same game being played at the same time
You all would love a 90 dollar game.
$70 is bad enough. Their games are only worth $10
At last...i made it onto 1 of your videos lol
Those bans are the pirate users not actual owners. To go detecting if they own the cart and those are theirs and didn't sell but backup thier own games they won't detect it. Those reddit provide nothing for anyone to verify what they did.
Definitely not taking a chance getting my 360 bucks switch bricked.
If you know what you're doing, you'll be fine. Otherwise, don't try it.
Trusting used games will become issue due to this and new ones are too costly in countries without official nintendo presence
Certs are sent across the network and verified. Most certs are encrypted.
Nintendos online service is atrocious
Whether flash carts are created for lawful or unlawful practices, Nintendo should be the one approving of them and they are in their right to go after such carts, especially if they are damaging their business. Individuals and organizations who want to piggy back on the success of a brand, without any of the costs are always at risk and this time around, a slap on the wrist has been given to those as well who fuel such shady businesses.
That's not the problem they're targeting people who purchased the MiG switch as well of course Nintendo is within its rights to shut it down but targeting people who bought it is unethical for several reasons
@@SuperMelphis I agree- As a hypothetical, imagine I bought a legit Mario Kart cartridge from you after you had dumped it (and without me knowing this). Then my console is banned because Nintendo discovers the same game/ certificate is being used at the same time. How is that fair to me/anyone who hasn't actually done anything wrong.
I hope they do!
I’m interested in the MiG-Switch just so that I can play with my kids. I shouldn’t have to buy 3 copies of Mario Kart 8 just to play local multiplayer when traveling with my family.
Funny, I ordered a dumper yesterday before I knew about the lawsuit. I wonder if/when I'll get a refund. All I wanted was a legal way to get ROMs to emulate on my Steam Deck. I feel no remorse for Nintendo, but I still didn't want to pirate anything I didn't own and could still reasonably obtain. Would some owners abuse the MIG Switch? Yeah, it was inevitable. Do I think the general public would use this for piracy? Not really, especially given the known issue of having multiple of the same keys online at the same time. Nintendo loves itself too much and their fans not enough. They'll give you a free sticker on your birthday but still make you pay $60 for a launch title. There really wouldn't be such a piracy problem if they didn't keep the prices so high or straight up stopped selling the game. I've got a well used v1 switch, some games don't work so good on it. I'd rather spend $70 on the MIG dumper for a better experience than spend $350 on the newest Switch that barely plays games better than the v1. Unfortunately, it seems the MIG switch & dumper are dead and hundreds, probably thousands of people, have lost money with no guarantee of reimbursement
Sealed Switch games just got a hella lot more expensive 😂
If Nintendo could detect the Mig then it would push an update that would make them stop working in consoles.
I would have picked this up just to backup my games.
Ive got a gen 1 switch ive been holding onto....now i just need to find someone to "hook me up"😂.
They are going after modded consoles also
V1 switch is the easiest to mod.
Must be nice that Nintendo prob got the Mig Switch they ordered... I def got ripped off, even after receiving an email directly from that Daly cat... no refund, no cart after everything
I wonder how few people decode the things which are created by big group of people worked for months. Big group is getting high pay and being dump or this small group is smarter
i would reach out to the people dealing with the lawsuit because my gut feeling tells me all sales of mig switch have been obtained by nintendo.
I’m not worried if they know I might have one.
Its not weird at all. 90% of the ppl using the Mig Switch have no idea how bans work. Its pretty much the same crisis when ppl started to hack their switch years back, going online with piracy was the main culprit. Then you had users customizing their Nintendo avatar with unofficial images. Piracy and unmatched certs are common ground for bans hell certain games can detect modded save data when going online. So yes their is an anti cheat server in competitive games as well.
The ninjas are out in force
Yep can ban all both cart and consoles its unique each cart
The next gen SD model should have an upstream control that disables the cartridge if the console is online. End of PROBLEMS. FOREVER.
Oh I didn’t know the cart slot carries a 12v wifi/LAN all-in-one design and slips into a long sock sewn on both sides! You’re safe bud
"piracy is a service issue" gabe newell.
Stop charging obscene prices for half finished games, which never go on sale nintendo
All I want is affordable 1st party games, Mario Kart 8 is still $60.
All the early first party games are still $60, it's ridiculous
Play Wii
@@Marmite101 this is the answer to the world's problems
@@totallytidmouth waggle more yes 😆
"Nintendo 's turn to the Dark Side is complete " the Emperor
Posted by a rebel without a clue.
@@Aries73 Doug Bowser? Billion dollar corporations need defenders like you. Stay strong
The thing is that there are lots of emulator devices
Wait what? Why would Nintendo bother wasting there time going after people with flash carts?
Those people may be helping people circumvent the encryptions nintendo has having names gives you an idea who might have the know how to get past their security
if Nintendo catch 10 people with same pirated games with unique codes... Its a big lawsuit for mig switch creator and the user.... HAHAHAHA
Don't confuse "going after" with "simply banning consoles they detect running the MIG". And doing so serves as a deterrent. Deterrants prevent people from buying the device, which ostensibly leads to more legit game sales.
Also, it's their service - they can ban who they want 🤷♂
Hopefully they brick your Switch if using these things
@@Mike-B-Jackson OH is that what Nintendo is doing?! I got confused and thought they were just going to start suing people who bought the flash cart. That makes much more sense.🤣
No.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo have figured out a way to detect a switch
While I hate that Nintendo has been DMCAing/suing other things (I care for gaming preservation), it's a good thing that the MIG Switch has been ceased since MIG Switch owners can abuse the MIG Switch/Dumper and harm innocent consumers buying used games in the process, even if that is not the developer's intention. Because of the existence of the MIG Switch and clones, gamers are no longer safe buying used physical Switch games without the risk of potentially being banned if it was copied and used on a MIG Switch so while I do like the idea of copying backups for personal use, it also created this risk for everyone else that has nothing to do with this and there will be innocent gamers being banned for buying used games that don't know anything about MIG Switch or MIG Switch clones.
So I am kind of glad that Nintendo quickly stopped them from distributing, but Nintendo should have stopped them sooner before they started distributing them.
Mig Switch is still sending out their units since they're based in russia and cannot be stopped.
Oh
When buying the Mig dont show it to the world of youtube
If Nintendo came after me for wanting to preserve and back up my own games. I would vow to never buy another product from them again. I do not sell my games, I only collect.
No way I'm going to prison. I only bought this because you said it sounded like a cool device. If I go to prison I just know I'll end up in a cell with RGT85
That's why I run switch games on my Steam Deck. No huss no fuss.
xci its not enoght its 4 more cert files to dumb too
Now I have good reason for never getting one or even modding my Switch.
Dude don't be so worried just get a hackable switch and do it on thare
I mean they did subpoena the information of the buyers..
Looking forward to getting a letter from Nintendo 😂
Likely to estimate damages.
Oh boy wait until gamefly finds out all their switch games are going to start getting people banned😂😂😂😂😂
Thing is that when people usually complain about being banned for something it is pretty much they pirated the game or they legally dumped it at first but someone is playing the original on their switch at the same time.
If you’re dealing with Nintendo’s IPs, especially if it’s still current stuff, you know the risks.
My bod...er...my popcorn is ready 🤣
Someone is smarter than Nintendo..
I buy my games, rip them to my pc and play them there. I have two switches and buy games new most of the time physically. Nintendo has nothing on me.
Backup 😂
I think the Switch 2 will be similiar to the Switch everyone has now in terms of the cartridges due to backwards compatibility so maybe Nintendo is trying to put a stop to all these flashcarts and stuff so people don't immediately have easy access to pirate Switch 2 games as well.
Imo Piracy is going to happen one way or another with Nintendo in general since they always use weaker hardware which makes it easier to emulate compared to Playstation 4-5 and Xbox and even some Xbox 360 games are still difficult from what Ive heard, If I was Nintendo I would be making roms more accessible in like a Nintendo ecosystem wether thats a launcher for a store similiar to Steam on your PC or some app on peoples phones where people could legally go straight to Nintendo and spend $2-5 on an old NES game or something and then be able to play that same game on their switch, phone, tablet, pc, etc but that's just me I think Nintendo is in a losing battle its similiar to hackers in video games where the hackers will always be 1 step ahead and instead of trying to fight piracy and preservation they should take advantage of it because many people want to play old video games and there's a decent number of them that are inaccessible and will be lost to time without preservation and archives.
it was, its no brainer .... Ninteno always has been backwards compatible with 2 consecutive console... except for Wii u to switch cause its a messed.
@@QuantumChrist Can you play NES games on SNES? No. Can you play SNES games on N64? No. Can you play N64 games on Gamecube? No.
If you want something for nothing, there's still a price to pay.
A combination of greed and stupidity has now mostly destroyed the security and viability of the Physical Switch games used marketplace.
As a physical collector/gamer it sucks. This just pushes us more towards the all digital world.
This isn't new tech.
The snes has had one for years.... Go look up a copy of super metroid. This will not do anything to the after market carts.
Aliexpress enters the chat.....
No'fun'dendo at it again, takimg fun and joy of owning our own games /items
It wouldn't surprise me if they did just ban multiple users with the same certificate. They hate people who buy second hand and who emulate so they won't care to figure out who's who. Their moral of the story is buy your games brand new from us
It is haram it is theft
😂
My guess would be if two certificates showed up online simultaneously they would know. Having said that, why are these idiots flying this close to the sun? 🤦♂If you decide to sail the high seas DON'T CONNECT TO NINTENDO SERVERS! That's like showing up to their headquarters and waiving the Jolly Roger🏴☠🏴☠
@@oblivieon1567 I have no idea we’re this sense of entitlement comes from “I know I robbed you but you better come with that support”🤣
They should go after them, the mig switch was a bad idea, and technically illegal with how it works
Typical Nintendo famboy
Breath of the Wild is 7 years old and still 60 bucks at GameStop..... 7 year old PS5 and Xbox games are significantly cheaper.... Nintendo deserves to be pirated.
Nintendo : You UNDERESTIMATE my POWER!
yea lets go after some kids gl
Explain to mommy why you pirated software and got her $300 banned and possibly bricked. 😂
Just how many kids used their credit card to buy the flashcard? ... Imagine Nintendo making a pirated version of your credit card... Do you get it yet? 😂
The billing address for the mig switch orders will be compared to the current Nintendo switch user accounts billing addresses using an algorithm that matches both mig switch purchase shipping addresses to the concurrent Nintendo switch online accounts.
It’s not rocket science to understand how to catch piracy on a currently active gen console.
Nintendo is not playin around 💀
Yo ho ho ho~🏴☠️
Crack the code..
It’s kinda scary to think you lend your game to someone, they dump it and upload it to a site… then you are screwed… or buy a compromised used game.
This is a Fucked shituation.
Here's something spooky, anybody with a modded switch can dump the cart and its certificates. No mig switch is even necessary for this. Use a beat up v1 softmodded switch, dump game and upload to a chinese file sharing site... profit?
This is more popular in mexico VIVA MEXICO
If a game is on the shelf at Walmart and Target for $60, then don't pirate it. Not only is it a crime, but it's a crappy thing to do considering Nintendo uses those funds for R&D to create new games and systems.
MiGySwitch and them Switcheroo Emu users are not in any way Nintendo fans or supporters of the gaming industry, they just don't care
I hope the switch 2 flops so hard that Nintendo is forced to rethink thair business strategy like porting their games on pc
Flash carts aren't illegal. Nintendo would get laughed out of court if they tried to sue Mig Switch owners simply for owning one.
@VitorFerreira-zu5sd the whole yuzu thing is literally shady what Nintendo has done and feels illegal same with the mig switch like this is literally the game genie thing all over again but in game genie case they won so what is different with the mig switch
@@VitorFerreira-zu5sd look at other examples of Nintendo doing shady things hack they dmca takedown a non profit charity where they were selling joy cons to honor eticka as well as shutting down smash tournaments
What were you all saying the other day?
They can't do this. It's illegal
Just keep it offline and use a separate switch. Easy. This really isn't a big deal unless you're just careless.