Busting A Union Buster
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- At the hearing by the House Education and Labor subcommittee on health, employment, labor and pensions, Jen Jason, a former organizer for the unaffiliated UNITE HERE union, trashed unions and their members, while claiming to be a proponent of social justice.
What Jason didn't say was that he left his union to work for a company whose workers he was trying to organize. To the tune of $222,000 a year.
As a son of a union man, and a member of a professor's union myself, I get so annoyed at people who complain about union dues, and have no clue what they get in return; the only reason why people think things are good enough to not have unions is becuase of unions...people who want to bust-unions will make you believe that unions are the bad guy, but I rarely trust anyone who is making 50 times what I make to tell me the truth about what is good for the worker.
I find it shocking how many people are ok with subsidizing the rich walmart family, who use government subsidies to top up their low wages which costs the government billions yet hate unions which would keep the gov out of taxpayers pockets and force billion dollar corporations to pay an honest wage.
If you are sick of ridiculous taxation, you should support unions because being a paid a good wage keeps them out of taxpayers income and Im sure the executive class could use a little less cash.
Walmart pays more than McDonalds, Hardees, Target, Best Buy, Sears, etc. Americans want low prices. If costs go up, prices go up, prices go up. It's funny when union members claim they don't shop at Walmart because they are fine with their spouses shopping at Walmart to stretch their union paycheck.
We know who the REAL welfare kings and queens are. Here's a hint, it's not any of the workers or non-workers
If he stands up for you guys and makes your lives better, he deserves every penny of it.
This woman is a childish bully who feels her position allows her to be rude and arrogant to the witness.
Figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show the typical union worker's pay and benefits are 33% higher than what non-union workers get.
In 2000, union carpenters averaged $20.45 an hour base pay. Nonunion? $13.51. Union drywallers averaged $17.93 an hour in 2000. Nonunion? $12.19.
Wages and salaries for union workers average 16% higher than for nonunion workers.
What? I find it very hard to believe that you are truly in a union. A union insures good pay and benefits that only come with collective bargaining. If your really in a union then the amount you are paid and the benefits outweigh union dues greatly.
A union buster is a disgrace! Shame, shame, shame. Corporations have all the resources, all the power. Unions and other aspects of civil society are the only way to make working a little bit fairer. And by the way, preserve the middle class, which is a stabilizing force. Societies that are polarized very wealthy and very poor are subject to all sorts of problems.
Only problem is that not everybody can afford to pay $9000 a yard for union installers to do the job. My advise to you would be to save your money!! The gravy train cannot last forever the market is already correcting itself. Who do you think is going to get hurt? The big companies? Not a chance. The little guy is going to bite it. Thanks for your transparency. Peace
Steel worker here!
Stand up for your rights!
Teamsters. The scab protectors.
It was said that unionized workers are not in it to get rich. That is only true depending on the definition of “rich”. They are in it for a carefree life without ever working a minute of overtime with at least times and a half pay, plenty of sick days, vacation pay, lifelong healthcare, lifelong pension, no stress, no true responsibility, no real risk, early retirement, accumulation of untaken sick pay, etc. They have every right to pursue this but have no right to force it down others throats
Unionized labor should NEVER be allowed in Government. The relationship becomes too incestuous and corrupt. Union $ supports the politician, who in turn 'bargains' away money they are not accountable for, Future Public Taxes. Private Unions have a duty to their members to help the company to remain profitable, or the company dies, work is lost. Not an issue in Government... Outlaw PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS!
Child labor is not as productive as adult labor. Children are not employable. The market did not want them. Productivity creates economic opportunity. No, using violence to bash someone over their head would be exerting your authority over a peaceful person’s freedom. That would be anti-freedom.
we tried that at GE. Lynn,MA and the result was complete closing of plant 1(turbine) and consolidation to less troublesome union areas like down south where contracts were ratified by unions cause what was a no good deal in the north was a decent deal for workers in economically depressed area.Bottom line workers in the north forced to swallow a contract they didn't want and left with a bad rep. in corp eyes.
The union protects your job. Management can't fire you just because they don't like you, or they want to give one of their friends your job. With a union they can't sub-contract your job out. I'll stick with the union.
To true. Well said.
I agree.
Good on you. Well said!
Unfortunately he wasn't able to tell his side of the story. The truth of the matter is that most unions today are as greedy as the coporations, except they don't provide anyone with an actual income (except for the thugs at the top). Speaking as a union member myself, the only difference I see between the corporation and todays unions is this: One pays a salary, the other takes money from that salary. Other than that there really is no difference.
One way of looking at it, unions are a "necessary evil" for us workers.
Without them, we average workers would have had ooor, miserable lives. Unions aren't perfect, but what is a viable alternative?
Times are changing for the workers these days, and it doesn't look pretty ...
@nktank84 I believe that we were talking about America, not other countries. But no, I don't believe that is right. By now, the government ensures a minimum wage and the unions are not ensuring much of anything anymore.
Just visited your sight. A good unionist and a lover of beer! Obviously a man of impeccable taste and intellect. We should be buddies!
Monopoly = Bad
Monopolizing Labor = Good
@furiesego Just because a Law exists today, doesn't mean it won't be changed/removed tomorrow. In wisconsin they already pushed legislation on Child Labor changes regarding allowable hours. Bear in mind, if they can fiddle with what is essentially a safeguard to keep kids in school, what makes you think they won't push an agenda further in the future. A super Majority is a scary thing, because they will act as they will, not for those they claim to represent the will of.
Latest figures on LABOR COSTS:less than 10% gap between US and foreign. Total wage and benefits costs: US=$59 foreign=$56 (average). Due mostly to UAW concessions PRIOR to GM/Chry bankruptcy AND AGAIN in 2009. Contrary to popular opinion the UAW doesn't make any demands and has been trying to help the greedy mismanaged Big 3 stay competitive even though Big 3 gave themselves raises. Know before you knock the UAW.Source Bloomberg.
The House couldn't even put an r in Mr for this jason
Union Buster Busted! Wait a minute, his name is Jen?
management gets the union it deserves......think about it.
@Kpa1983 Please get educated on how favorable those 'glory days' of free economy were before any worker 'rights' were enforced. I won't say a union is the best answer, but it was originally the right response to organize those that have a stake in their conditions. The problem of a union, like any other representative body, is corruption nothing is immune to it. But go ahead and look into when the 'middle class' even began to emerge and when the federal government made worker's 'rights'.
I am a member of NABET local 53. The union takes $10 of every day worked and puts that into a Flex plan, which encompasses the whole of my benefits. The benefits are pretty crap compared to the plan offered directly thru the corp. Oh and the dues are very high. You gotta pay around $5k when you first join up.
@wernervoss48 Well in the case of Wisconsin the Union workers had agreed to cuts to balance the budget even after the governor had cut taxes for the richest 1% of Wisconsin. The fact that they did so shoots your post full of holes. His agenda wasn't about the budget anyway, it was to destroy all unions and everybody's right to organize and bargain for better wages. Even if they wanted to union could never compete with corporate America when it comes to buying off politicians.
Damn straight!
I'm soooooo confused! Congresswoman McCarthy and Jen Jason's placecard both say "Ms. Jason". Jason doesn't look or sound like a Ms. I've read different articles that refer to Jason as he or she. Are my eyes and ears deceiving me or are people just confused by his/her first name? Does anybody have a difinitive source? I can't find one.
@SuperTruth77 Oh yes...invading someone's privacy is always just a "silly joke that got a little out of hand." The nerve of that woman who was spied on in a clothing store to complain!
@Trollingwithmyhomies
Unions have been pumeled by the "capitalist right wing Republican" momentum particularly of the Regan era.
They have lost alot of political power starting in the 50's and 60's with the McCarthyist approach to organized labor and the claim that it is a form of socialsm, is infact, even communism.
Democrats tend to back, defend and help Labor Unions obviously while many Repblicans being fiscal conservatives and staunch supporters of the "free market" system do not.
good for you
Anyone else see the irony in that womans name?
@rickmcdonalled Yes you were talking about America, where conditions were terrible until people formed unions and fought for the wages and conditions that we all enjoy today. It's terrible that you actually think that people don't need unions anymore. In missouri they just tried to LOWER minimum wage. Walmart doesn't even pay their employees enough to afford their company's healthcare. You keep thinking like you are and we'll be living below the poverty line.
hey seamore!!!! nice to see you on here to and not just TYT.......us liberals watch the same vids i see
@597914 I could only wish people today could understand that "compromise" isn't a dirty word and it would be used more commonly. Instead we have the classic "Red vs. Blue" scenario where you have to win, you can't work with the guy on the other side of the line. But Alas, I fear that the concept of "Unions are Bad" are now engrained, painted as an enemy of the people. Imagine how well the government could work if they could compromise on various bills. rather than the "All or nothing" approach
@juscurious @juscurious I was too casual in my response. I know what the caused the famine, but the English never dealt with the issue because it was thought that it would fix itself: Laissez faire. The market place is affected by food shortage due to infestans, but you would argue that there should be no relief, because the market would correct itself, and any relief would perturb that process. Hayek, tho, believed in some government intervention around regulation etc.
also I ask all of you this: what is the right pay level? I believe the right pay level is when an employer needs to raise salaries and benefits to fill open positions. To the best of my knowledge there are scores of applicants for those “underpaid” government jobs, a clear sign that compensation is too rich.
@bhunt31 I'm sorry, I was generalizing to much. And although I have a low opinion of unions and the hive mind environment they may be able to create such as in the often defective police in America, there is always a wonderful person in every individual. Not to lead to far away from the subject, however, I too work 50 hours every other week and 48 in between those. I am working outside of a union, though, and am working to ensure I CAN get a higher position and CAN get richer.
@TheShaniqua1992 My job is to my liking. Because of the struggles of my brothers and sisters before me I enjoy a decent living, something that every American could and should enjoy. A fair wage for a fair days work. With record profits by corporations and executive pay reaching obscene levels the workers who help earn those profits should enjoy a fair compensation for their efforts, taking in all considerations regarding sound business decisions that can actually help that company grow.
That's a pretty sweet deal for a, "consulting," job.
@DietLite1986 None of my dues. I support political education through my CAP fund that I donate each month. This money is used to educate our members and community which platform gov't leaders support. Our vote is the only thing we give to any candidate and if they want it they better support labor, fair trade laws and have a record that proves it.
@PositivelyBored If I work there first then why should I go anywhere .Lets do it the Union way and you pay me a lot to go away.It has happened to me that is why I hate unions so much I was getting a good HONEST wage unions came in younger inexperienced voted em in .I would not sign me and about ten others got let go .Workmanship took a dive business closed .Wheres your union now ? .Unions where good and can be again but I will never sign with em.
@phantomkitsunezero my local UAW signed an agreement with management back is 83 to work together. result: a very good place to work, cash cow for GM and the most productive transmission plant in the US. Its not about making "outrageous" demands as some like to say, its about working together to ensure the future of the company and workers. Thats what unions are and can can be.
I just want to ask you one question:
Have you ever refused a raise?
If an employer is paying his employees too much that is bad managment, not the fault of the employees.
Oh yeah! Now your getting it. Michigan may now get some badly needed out of state investors.
@furiesego I'm not sure how you see any union creating any super majority unless you are making a based assumption of 'unions own [insert party here]' And I don't know if you have the sources to see where the money is/goes in any structured organization be it Union or not but I can say that I don't know how much any union leader makes, and just like our government, it's a representative democracy, and all those 'leaders' were voted in, but like any power based position corruption will exist
Thats because there is no IQ requirment for voting.
@v19d You said it all perfectly v19d, right on the money.
In the construction industry of course union jobs are much higher pay. The construction industry is flooded with illegal and unskilled works who have driven the wages down. I'm not at all anti-union in principal. But much like the guy in the video, seeing it from the inside, there is much corruption and waste.
S.C.A.B.
@597914 Obviously market/employment conditions are a FAR cry from back in the day. Today, Union's are obsolete. UNIONS drain our economy because of that fact. UNIONFACTS,COM
@captwasabi you forgot to add "drunken dope smoking crack heads."
@Kpa1983 Same is true of companies :/ And I don't think I'll have the time to read it, have a stack of material to go through plus preparing for shipping off to bootcamp and because I work third shift I'm usually zonked by the end of the day :E. Enforce proper regulation on companies and I completely agree that neither side should be 'protected' beyond the universal rights you or I share
@brapbraprcksn Really! Labor "laws" are violated everyday by virtually every industry. Are you seriuos! Who enforces these laws? GM was just found guilty of violating these laws a few years ago and the judge gave them a slap on the wrist! No penalty, nothing...just a promise to not do it anymore! I work in a factory. GM can talk safety till they're blue, but without the UAW watching they will ignore everything for the dollar!
@v19d One can only hope as much, while I'm more moderately attuned, We do need more 'classic' union representatives that are there to represent workers, not personal gains/interests, As well as making sure workers in turn maintain professionalism and work ethic relative to a Union
Yeah whatever it's no use arguing with a liberal they all think the same way. Give me, give me, give me. I bet if you could get paid for doing nothing you would be all for it. Who knows maybe you already are.
@charlieboy82 thats what you get with an unorganized, weak teacher's union. dont blanket the situation and stereotype all unions based on one particular failure. TEAMSTERS for a better life
@hello2249 Except for management - they always keep their salaries high-
There is no such thing as a union buster. Preventing unionization prevents unions before employees unionize. After a workplace already unionized, no third party can come in and break the union. Management MIGHT be able to but rarely do and management isn't a third party.
Guitar Player Steer clear of USW at all costs. They took a tight knit union one even had the local tattooed for life and divided them in three groups raped premium pay including Sunday pay and double time and 1/2 and got awful language on Seniority passed by asking for extensions, dragging it out, frustrating then tossing a few bucks and won. If you have a tight union keep it that way because that small amount will be spent in a week but the loss felt over a lifetime. The smirk on this guys face 😡 He will stand before Almighty God one day.
@597914 *sigh* This is what Im talking about. Even if the website is aged, they cited their quotes and data. So not "biased", sorry. Unions SHOULD be reporting their financials in order to PREVENT corruption duh. Its the reason why we have a 3 branch form of government. ACCOUNTABILITY. I unfortunately am in a union that forces me to pay dues and takes my money and gives it to the Obama administration as campaign contributions. How is THAT not corruption?!
@mustards12s They won't export you. They will just stop using bricks.
@furiesego Laws on the books? That is really funny! What you fail to realize is those lwas on the books...are there because of unions, not because the corporation wanted them. And FYI: because of big corporate money most of those "laws" result in a slap on the wrist when a violation is found. The union you discribe does not exist. I suppose you think corporations never lobby for their cause either. You are failed to repeat what was fought against by unions.
Believe me, I know.
I am not associated with a union but I know the history of unions. I have two brothers who are in unions but I am not.
All full time workers have paid holidays by law....not just the unions. We owe this to what the unions accomplished a century ago.
Pensions? Those are dieing off for all but the most fortunate of salaried workers. The unions won those and they are being sliced off.
Health care? Another benefit that wither while the ignorant rant about unions.
@juscurious You have no idea what Unions did for the American worker, from fair treatment to appropiate pay. If markets determined how much someone makes than why do CEOs make so much more than the worker, even in a bad economy? Markets are controlled by those in control, not otherwise, thusly appropriate checks need to be placed. Economics does not take into account people; by your account, you are okay with the Irish potato famine and the death therein, because the market caused the famine.
@597914
You could also quit your job and find another one that was to your liking.
@texas9085
spoken like a true blue collar
@charlieboy82 The frigging UAW is one of the biggest supporters of the military! Do you know how many veteran's we support through fundraisers and visiting veterans homes? Do you know how many UAW members turned the tide building the very weapons that saved the world during WWII? Don't support unions... YOU EARNED IT! Thanks, but you're very wrong about unions. Unions don't cut any spending your gov't does!
@597914 I never bashed unions, my first post was in support of unions and I keep getting hit for that. Trying reading what I wrote first before you respond.
Keep it nice please. Unions created the middle class-period! IF you reap the benefits of union blood, and vote anti union, you have a lot of explaining to do.
Instead of being hateful of a union's decent wages-go fight for your own or get into a union or McDonalds is hiring
Not all companies need a union to pay their employees good wages and benefits, but there may be some that do need unions.
@furiesego I give you facts about my union, how it works today, in a factory whose union members decided years ago that working together with management was good for both. Yet you decided to ignor those facts and make claims that just aren't true. There is no duress, no corrupt union leadership. But there is a continued reduction in wages happening and continued record profits in many industries. Nobody is asking for all of it, just fighting for fairness.Stop the reduction in wages, benefits.
@juscurious go ask your grandfather or maybe your great granfather how he was treated by his boss. Just 40 years ago in my GM plant there were no breaks, no safe working conditions, if you got hurt you were fired. you could die every day in a factory. Everything you enjoy today is the result of unions. Easy for YOU to say unions destroyed every industry while you enjoy everything that was fought and won by them! Amazing! you know nothing about the struggle yet are first to condem them!
@phantomkitsunezero i dont have a problem with any union. my problem is that unions are politically protected. thats the problem with a lot of people, i bet you will never read hazzlit. :(
@bhunt31 Also, I'm not trying to make an enemy out of you. It may be even harder for me to see your point of view because I don't have kids, but I agree that hard working people like you should have ensured health care; however, richer people should have to pay for it because since they worked hard enough to get to their current place they should have to pay more.
@DietLite1986 Thanks for the compliment. I know which candidates my union supports, yes, and I know often they are democrats or working family party, because that is the political group that supports union. I refute your claim that union leaders are mafia, and as the wise one, I assume you will take my word for it.
@597914 Based on your reaction, you obviously profit from a Union. And when you say "Proven" doesnt mean it actually is. Do you have evidence to support your claim before you label someone else a liar? Just google Obama Union financial reporting. You dont have to look very far folks to see the corruption. You dont have to be a Corp. Lawyer to understand the facts surrounding the export of US labor and the rising cost of Union demands. An macroeconomics course would tell you that. Take one.
@jamman55 you must have me confused with someone else. I have never "boasted" about any pay increase, because I haven't had one in over 7 years. In fact I have given up a 4% of my wages. Had my benefits reduced and seen new hires wages drop to $14.35/hr in my UAW plant. So you dont even know what you are talking about. And if our gov't hadn't shipped our jobs overseas you might be able to get one. Nice profile page. You need to learn before you speak (which is apparent you cant).
@phantomkitsunezero please get educated. maybe you should start with basic economics. henry hazzlit: economics in one lesson is a good start.
@woosailor she exposed a liar. Are you a republican or something
@rickmcdonalled So by your philosophy sweatshop jobs in Mexico and China pay a fair wage then eh?
@chgosatrap Yea you got that right!
labour laws pertaining to social justice are EXTREMELY important, however, unions aren't necessarily the way to go about it.
@MartyMac61 Wrong! My union does not steal any money from me. My union uses their members dues for education purposes for classes from civil & human rights, women's issues to training for my job. each member has an opportunity to attend many different classes paid for through my dues. We also make several donations to community fundraisers and support our schools. stop spreading lies about something you obviously know nothing about. Unions support your community.
@applesauceman
... with your continuous insults, you are not to be taken seriously. You are full of it, it's obvious. Don't reply -- I have no time for people like you. Done here.
wtf?
@597914 Your "pay increases" you so proudly boast. Are not in line with the Consumer Price Index. So when the rest of the country gets docked in pay, Union employees are getting yearly raises. Here employees get 4.5% raises annually. If you do your math (which is apparent you dont) you'll see that government spending for state employees far exceed the CPI and adjusted inflation amounts which end up costing the government BIG TIME. Which in turn... "Kills the middle class" Again, take econ.
I hate to point this out, but your anti-union buddies are the same that fought against the regulation of the derivative market, that funny bubble that caused two major Economic recessions in the last 2 decades? A union is concerned for workers rights and safeties, they did more to influence Labor Law than even the federal government, mainly because the government wouldn't enforce it early on. So before you start looking for a scapegoat for 3 decades of budgetary irresponsibility look at the boss
damn right, thats why i dont complain when i see a union dues deduction in my check.
i could make $7 bucks an hour and have no deduction, or make $25 bucks an hour and pay $55 in dues.........makes sense to me.
@captwasabi I never said all unions are good. There are issues, for sure. I am not an un-nuanced supporter of unions. Thank you, however, for noting the unions have served a purpose in the past. I still believe they do, sorry you have lost faith.
@captwasabi How myopic to blame the UAW for the Big 3's mismanagement. Why is my UAW plant is kicking ass and making money for GM? Mexico makes the same transmission but their quality sucks because they can't keep the 19 yr olds working for $90 a week. You think you know how the auto plants operate but you don't know shit. Demands? WTF? The UAW and their concessions are the reason why GM is making their comback and they couldnt do it without us. Tell me what we demanded? U R A Joke!
Organize. Go union.
my union president makes $125k a year and you whine about union leaders making too much??? compared to a wal-mart CEO and a cashier, doesnt seem too bad does it??
Is that ALL you got, a broad sweeping generalization. Ending with a stereotype, please, give me areal reason to convince me of your reasoning. Or don't they teach you that on right wing talkshows, Charlie?!?! Corporations should make a profit, without compromising workers pay, Now that the middle class is eroding, who will support business? Seems like we are not the ones who sold America out! oh, i will not shut the hell up. Educate yourself. Your wrong.
@michael301 Figure it out on your own then genius.
Michigans unions took a fatal body blow 2 weeks ago.LOL! Ya gotta love it!!
@captwasabi Thats a fucking lie. Foreign tp workers make more per hr than some UAW workers! Superior Quality! Whered you google that? i suppose you'll tell me next that the US hasnt subsidised foreign owned plants or that their gov'ts don't subsidise them either! Or that artificially dflated currency doesnt happen either? You are seriuosly misinformend! I make $28.73 / hr. So you are saying Honda pays them $7????? WTF!