U didn't mention Papo, a.k.a Divine, played by Elvis Nalasco. He was homeless in season 1 but got his life together this season. What'd u think of him?
For Harriet ur just one of those black women (ur not alone-by the way)who likes to bring the black man down..u should go work for the New York DA's office(when they see us)
I agree with you She's gotta have it Season 2 writing is terrible. She is always having sex with 3 or 4 people per season. I had no idea the main character was married in real life.
Sierra Nickál I think people do see thoughts topics. The writing and execution is awful. Spikes direction and writing is extremely condescending. He does try way too hard.
This season had so many unnecessary clips that dragged on and on. Like when Mars was in that girl's bathroom ( his recording studio) and the camera zoomed in on him yelling and making faces for 12 seconds.
So wait im jus startin season 1 like im only halfway thru da 1st episode its her bday and Mars called is she fuckin mars too a cat who doesnt even have his own phone!?!?!?
I know what they were TRYING to do with Jaimes wife. They wanted to show her as her own person and not the helpless wife who gets cheated on. But 1) it’d have been more powerful if she checked Nola without performing a mockery of black women 2) Nola and Jaime stopped messing with each other a while ago right? This convo should have happened in Season 1
Well the problem is...we don’t even like Jamie’s wife and we actually like Nola. So there’s little room to feel sorry for her although she got cheated on. The kids discussing their disappointment about Nola and Jamie did more for me than his ridiculous wife.
@@manipurachakra565 but Nola didn't brake them up🙄 remember in season 1 she told her husband is he inlove 🤔 is it the 2nd or 3rd time. So his been cheating for a while. So was Nola the reason they were separated or they were already separated when they met. OR idk🤔🤯🤪🧐
Pam411 P she may not be the sole reason but she is apart of the problem now knowing he was married and still participating in the affair. To us, the wife is just late finding out and we’re already over that situation lol
I felt like they really wanted Nola to be this woke contemporary sexually liberated intellectual person. The whole shebang. I think they absolutely did brainstorm on what they thought would appeal to “woke” millennials but they gave Nola too much. I find her character unbearable personality wise. Sometimes she used inflated language for casual conversations. Sometimes she used super outdated slang. She’s pretty much hoeing out here sleeping with peoples husband. They want us to get empowered woman from her character. But I think she’s a damn mess.
As a young, urban african american female painter myself, i desired SO much to love this show as well...among many other things, i had a problem with how unrealistic her portrayal as an artist was (not really the actress' fault tho). She came off as soooooooo phony. It was an non-artist's portrayal of an artist. And there were several moments when i cringed so hard lol. And yes, her art was bad. 😒
I'm an artist also and I completely agree, although some people like that are out there but for the most part the community of artist I've encountered would be like wtf is that?
@Latoya M. Personally as an artist's I was unimpressed and amused by the peice it looked like edgy art that an artist would do in highschol. It was certainly nothing special
@Latoya M. oh, well peices similar to that in the past have been in a general America kills black people or America makes black ppl kill themselves Ect.
Omg! Yes, this comment! As a young, black, lesbian artist (primarily a writer, but a bit of visual art as well) myself, I wanted to love the show and Nola. I am always here for representation of black, women artists and feel so at home when I see it. But her portrayal as an artist is def unrealistic and, I believe, a bit romanticized. I just think your comment is spot on.
Her character is just your basic over-sex black women who doesn't want to be called a hoe but wants to act like a hoe. Nola just has casual sex and not just that but sex with married men. Spike Lee really does not care about black women. He just wants to make money off of selling black women's bodies.
AGREED. You can tell it was written by someone who has IDEAS about what this could look like but has no idea what it's actually like to be a black millennial woman
Insecure actually make smart and beautiful woman look like all they can do is make horrible decisions. I'm not a fan of that one either. But to each his own. It's not very well developed.
Insecure has black women calling each other "bitch" every other word, sleeping around too much, and unconcerned with finding a serious partner in their prime years. Black women remain the least married and this show is partly why.
They tried to make that Nigerian British guy seem like an amazing guy but he wasn't; he was trash. Like i said previously, the show should have been a film not a series.
Pelumi Labiyi he was complete trash. For him to not come to her event but instead to occupied with his on life. Guys has been drop for not attend special events.
Yeah...as a Black American woman, the Stockholm Syndrome line made me cringe. If it was written better this would have been a perfect place for Olu to push back and set Nola straight on her ignorant perspective. This rang so hollow.
Season 1 was tolerable. I found myself wondering the point of Season 2. It was rambling. The singing scene went on way too long. The end scene is anticlimactic. I don't understand the purpose of any of the former love interests, Opal included. I hated the dancing scene in Puerto Rico. It felt extremely pretentious. I could go on, but why? Like you said, it was a mess.
The part when Nola held her hair up while performing head on Opal was cringe 🤦🏾♀️😭😂🙅🏾 it was just too much. You don’t have to throw “art” in every seen.
Awful. I'm from Brooklyn. Born and raised. Outside of Crooklyn, Spike's movies have always been a mess. Strange and annoying characters, terrible acting and this cookie cutter image of Brooklyn. Also, his obsession with high yella and Hispanic people needs to be addressed and treated.
MizIron Box Yes I am from the Bronx and he is one of those black people from NYC who seems obsessed with Spanish people like he wants to be them which reminds me of Lil Kim someone else from Brooklyn saying “I feel like a Spanish women in a Black persons body” and well we see how she’s changed her look. It’s this strange obsessions some blacks in NYC have about Spanish people and I mean we are integrated for the most part in NYC but it’s weird
D W Number one we all have different experiences meaning I have seen it with my own eyes. Me and you are not going to have the same experiences nor I doubt run in the same circles, live in the same area or nothing. So yes most, keyword “most” Black New Yorkers use to have this weird obsession with wanting to be “Latina or Latino” anything just not to be black clearly that goes back to slavery and colorism and all that. Now RECENTLY I have not seen it much because clearly black people are starting to love themselves and appreciate that they are just black without trying to be mixed with everything else. This is about people like Spike Lee especially back in his era the men who were obsessed with Lightskin and Latina women because brown and darkskin women were treated badly or looked down on.
I enjoyed season 1, but have been avoiding all conversation about season 2. You're right...(sigh)...it was repetitive and dull. Even Nola's art was suffering. :(
@@blooeyedtigger3145 Maybe a better word than suffering is unsatisfying. During season 1 I liked how the story told in each episode let to the evolution of her self portrait, and I was looking forward to more of that growth. But I didn't feel the same sort of build-up behind her work in season 2. Maybe I'll give it another chance at some point, but upon 1st viewing the work I saw in season one was more interesting.
@@cdubbyah5938 agreed. Nola's art and inspirations were predictable and unimaginative in my opinion this season. It may have looked nice but there were no surprises or new knowledge. The last piece was anticlimatic.
I have been avoiding convo on this season also because I dig Spike's work overall and this talented cast. I'll slowly discuss it like here but I'm like 'next...'.
I thought it was out of the blue as well. But somehow Mars and his sister were so broke that they managed to fly out to Puerto Rico. Strange. The show is soooo off🤦🏾♀️
@@traceym826ts I assumed their mom flew them out..Plus the sister wasn't broke, she got evicted because she wasn't on the lease, only the mother was. And since the mom was living Puerto Rico and not in that apartment, that got her evicted...
DeJuana Marie Yup. I remember it was all online that she was cast and then had to drop out because of scheduling conflicts, and Lashana Lynch took over.
@JuniorX EastNY I mean, this explanation makes sense to me but still stings. Black women (globally) shouldn't be having their identities insulted in 2019, by of all things, an American show with a black female lead. The scenes were Nola bastardises the Nigerian actors' names were just a wow.
I really watched to support Dewanda Wise and then I stayed for Anthony Amos. I also really like Spike Lee but I knew the second season would be a hot dirty mess but I still watched it.
I really, really wanted to like this show because I appreciate Spike Lee so much as a creator but yeah, I couldn't even finish Season One. Spike Lee's problem has always been that he beats you over the head with lessons and that's cool sometimes but it really doesn't work for television. It's especially bad when the characters are just so unlikable despite great actors and cinematography because I just have no reason to be immersed in it. No one wants to hear a lesson from person they don't like, both in real life or fiction.
Haven't watched the show yet (and according to some of y'alls comments I guess I dodged a bullet!) but i co-sign the beating over the head part. I noticed it in blackkklansmen and bamboozled
I'm telling you this season's script had to have been made by a poor artificial intelligence trained to imitate the worst, shallowest parts of woke twitter. I can't even be mad at the forays into "social issues" because most of it was just word salad e.g. that scene about black British people having Stockholm syndrome. It just doesn't even make any sense. Then again, the dialogue was so forcefully injected with modern black slang that it just had to have been written by an old man (the misuse of "shade" was just... *chef's kiss* perfect). I MIGHT have been able to overlook all that but there's not even a plot to get into. None of the plot lines have been fleshed out at all. Why are we still following Jamie and his light skinned wife? Since when did Shemekka start working with the feds? Why is that white girl in Nola's friend group? (edit: Nola, not Lola lol) Most of the characters are complete caricatures, which would be fine, but the show presents itself as a somewhat accurate look at black life in contemporary Brooklyn so it doesn't fit. And the musical interludes. My God. Half the time I was wondering if the performances were comedic relief because they (1) were not good and (2) dragged on forever. Also the constant name dropping of black artists was cute in the first season (and I appreciated the inclusion of diverse, current black artists like Juliana Huxtable) but the historical allusions are so heavy handed. Also, the soundtrack doesn''t flow and doesn't slap... why am I hearing Gershwin, Nina Simone, and Madonna in succession? Honestly, we could have kept both the soundtrack and the album art confined to Spike Lee's iPhone. Admittedly, I'm young so the original She's Gotta Have It was before my time and I've never seen it. But I hope and pray it's better than this nonsense. That said, this is such a trainwreck that I will indeed be tuning in for any future seasons. For the laughs. Lastly, I wanna know who did the costume design for Greer. I just wanna talk.
why can't we get fun light hearted shows smh it's like any time they attempt diversity it's always gotta be some cringe fake woke stuff and it's either that or a remake with a diverse cast or both lmao who needs to hear all that Twitter talk coming to life when you could have a fun creative show
Riiiight! Its never enough to have black characters just living life and experiencing things that are relatable. The plot always has to be ABOUT blackness. Its tiring.
And the black ppl always gotta be poor and miserable. Essentially the T.V. version of slave movies at this point. I appreciate that Nola is (upper?) middle class... but has no real form of income and couldn't afford that brownstone without her parents helping her big time.... so that's weird. But yes, shows that can demonstrate us just being people and not always struggling, having to preach, and feed on stereotypes would be great. The only show I've found so far recently is All American on Netflix. There are poor characters, but that doesn't define them and it's really uplifting and the whole thing isn't about race.
I think we're in a day in TV age where we understand that the 'carefree girl' trope is dangerous, let alone non-existent. This is what people realised with Carrie Bradshaw in SATC because she appeared to just glide through life with the most minute of problems compared to that of her friends. Nola Darling is the same. However, at least Carrie was constantly discerning and questioning her decisions and their potential ramifications, albeit selfishly on her. Nola doesn't appear to have that ability of self-awareness/self-preservation which would unfortunately get a lot of women, particularly black women, in dangerous predicaments if they tried to copy that lifestyle.
Wow! I've been a "carefree girl" my entire adult life (pushing 6 decades now) and it has been wonderful! No "trials or tribulations" 😆, very few regrets, happy memories of fun and friendships to last a lifetime. I have many girlfriends who've happily shared my adventurous lifestyle. By the time of SATC we thought "been there, done that so much better!" Perhaps it was the era we came "of age"? One thing for sure, there is definitely such a thing as the happy "carefree girl"! I've lived to tell the tale!
@@MK-hh1vo Good for you. However, since you're pushing 6 decades into this lifestyle now, I'm assuming you are not a millennial. Thus, the social, political and economic freedoms your generation benefit from will be different (and judging from statistics, better) to that of us millennials and younger.
@@MK-hh1vo Oohh great one teach me ur ways for I would like to be a "carefree girl" as well. 😫😌😮 Theres somethin about "carefree girls" tht tells me tht they grew up with very understanding and open minded/open arms type of parents. I cant relate my mother is very strict, but she also has this young spirit about her which I think makes her also a little bit hypocritical because I'm not even nearly like who she was and how she acted when was young, but when I do somethin thts not even bad just maybe a bit clumsy she acts like I just robbed a store and brought the evidence back to her house. But thts neither here or there. 🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤗🙄
I watched the first season and found it unrelatable and I’m a millennial. I’m sticking with Dear White People. Still clumsy but better at expressing the complicated conflicts young people have these days.
I’m a millennial and I related with it so much. I genuinely feel like people see what they wanna see and hear what they wanna hear. Watching it I did not think that I’d like it but with everything I do I try to imagine what the artist, producer, writer etc is trying to get me to understand. That is the nature of art. I did back stories, watched interviews and research on every single episode. I like that it’s different, educational and. Seeing perspective that isn’t even mine or this society I’m in. I loved it
I cringed at the acting, the dialogue, the long shots, the preachiness, the singing!...all of it was horrible for me. Nola is so privileged and lucky...it’s just not genuine! It’s like Spike Lee wanted to create one big love letter to Dewanda Wise and didn’t care if anyone else liked it. And we don’t. Lol
The best episodes were when Nola was confronted on her BS by Shemeka and Clorinda. And the episode when Mars was singing. Otherwise it was choppy, sexist and just plain bad.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for covering black Americans and their xenophobia against continental Blacks. As a Canadian Black ( with Caribbean ancestry) it really blows my mind and how Black Americans ignorantly assume that we don't experience the struggle the way Americans experience( obviously manifested differently)it , but also without taking the time to research outside of their bubble( AMERICA).
Tried season 2 , it’s pretty bad . Why is Greer back ? Fat Joe’s accent was so annoying and love Anthony Ramos but too much of just letting him be a goof ball . I lost it with the Mookie is your dad convo . Lol 😂 but on a positive note . Very beautiful art and great job showcasing those artist . I felt like I was watching waiting for something good to happen and it never happened lol
Yeah, this season was all over the place. I liked the first couple episodes with Opal, but after that it was just all over the place. Over the top sex scenes that took up too much time and added nothing, random dance and music numbers... And I still don't like Nola. She's extremely fake and I was hoping this season would address her lack of ability to really grasp reality. Opal gave her a little dose, as does her landlord, but nothing beyond that. Everybody else just caters to her fantasy and it drives me insane.
I loved season 1 but I felt they tried to pack too much "woke Twitter" into the script in a very unnatural way. If season 2 is that same thing but more, maybe I'll take my time before watching season 2.
The comments I have read ,its obvious that most of you aren't familiar with Spike Lee's work . He's always reflected on what's going on in his community .
@@robertashley7104 I'm very familiar it's just that I think his style of directing hasn't aged well. In the case of SGHI I think he lost the essence of the work. The first season did well because it was shot and centered around the beautiful soul of Brooklyn and was sexually driven in an entertaining way. He couldn't decide what to do with this season. It was obviously unguided and clumsy.
robert ashley I’m a huge fan of Spike Lee..... but as a fan I can honestly say that this show isn’t it 😂. His directing style is amazing in his older works but this is a new age, and I don’t think he knows how to push the new agenda of Black Women in this Millennium well. I’ve watched almost all of his movies. But this second season sucks. And that’s that on that.
What a great perspective on the way we consume content. “I don’t believe in high art or low art. If it brings me joy I’m watching it”. I’m taking that, Kim! Lol. Great video. I agree. This season was trash. I still have 2 episodes left to watch and I’m loathing it.
I got bored with the series after Opal and Nola broke up. I didn't understand the PR scenes. Some of the scenes were way too long and unnecessary. Why did we need 10 minutes of music, facial expressions at the end of each episode?
Spike Lee comes from an older black generation. That's why I couldn't watch it. It's too preachy, over the top, and simply "out of touch" with current youthful bw dilemmas & identity issues". It's not exactly relatable for 20 and 30 something bw of today. Totally get your point. It's off putting.
AnastaziaU I don't know how old you are, but to say, "he's from an older generation and that's why I couldn't watch it,' is an ignorant. premise. I feel the reason why black American art sucks to high heaven, is that the younger generation doesn't learn from what came before them. When I was in college, I listened to the 1930's jazz singer, Billie Holliday who was dead maybe a good 30 years before I was born. Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye, Celia Cruz, Hector Lavoe and others are all from my parents generation and that is the music I listen to as well. I read writers who wrote universal truths 150 years ago. As a human being, I can relate to Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky, James Baldwin who it's safe to say, aren't "millennials." The Godfather, a film made in the early 70's, is one of the greatest movies ever made and I'm not sure but I think Francis Ford Coppola isn't a millennial. "She's Gotta have it's" second season was fresh and international, going to PR showing us that black is not just fried chicken and Martin Luther King. Nola is a well drawn modern black intellectual artist, with real complexity. She's given texture and depth in a way that Olivia Pope and the other "I'm just like you" white gaze characters, don't have. She's flawed, insecure, fearless and fucked up mess at times, reminding me of my friends and myself, a 30 something Afro Latin from the Bronx who lives in Rome with her fine ass Roman Sicilian husband! I love Nola, the series and the statements about the damage gentrification is having on black neighborhoods all over the globe. When it gets to the point that young people can only see their image and perspective reflected in art, that's when art is DEAD. Black shit sucks because of thinking like yours! Mumble rap and R&B singers who can't really sing being lifted up on a pedestal is what black art has been reduced to. I'm from a multigenerational family so I remember when black people were dope and so does Spike. Apparently you don't, making an ignorant ass statement like you did! That was straight up "wacked,," to use a retro term I'm sure that offends your "need to be catered to" sensibilities.
@@lf1496 - I think you went in way too hard on AnastaziaU, going left with the whole "black art today sucks" thing. Even as a young man, Spike Lee was very didactic and preachy but now that he's older AND telling the story of a black millennial, those qualities are what his younger viewers are finding overbearing. That's a legitimate concern. I would ask anyone reading this to PLEASE see the original "She's Gotta Have It." There you will find an authentic character contemporary to her time relayed by the fresh (though didactic) voice of a young filmmaker. Hold on to your seats because the deeply disturbing use of rape as a tool to control female sexuality in the original will prove very problematic.
la mulata linda Martinez digging into the past is great but you gotta move forward. And their is plenty of “good” modern black art if you look deep enough. There was also trash music and film in the 20th century. Please top fantasying in the past.
@@ruggiec.ruggleby6511 I think black folks are in denial at the lack of quality of the art that is being produced in this moment. We act as if it's normal for rappers to be unintelligible, in an art form where communication and expression was the main focus. Spike has always leaned hard with his political statements, that is just Spike. But to say you can't appreciate a work of art because the person isn't of your generation, I repeat, is IGNORANT. No one in Europe, Africa or Latin America would make such an asinine statement. Art has no age limit. I go to museums every week and see great works of art that are 2000 years old. I read books written by ancient Greeks and Romans and Africans that discuss problems that I face right now in my life. I am a millennial, and I look to those from the past for their wisdom to gain wisdom in my life. We think we know it all and that is why we are falling off a cliff culturally and every way else. What I find "overbearing" are characters written by people who try to scrub all the black out of us or characters that make us "black" in acceptable and predictable ways. I hate "GAZE" and I appreciate what the women writers have done for Nola, giving her complexity, indecision, frailty, sexuality. Her "blackness" is a kaleidoscope of a larger human condition. Whether she says "dope" as opposed to" lit" means nothing to me. She's a political artist in a gentrified former black space., that is her character. So the politics is specific to her identity as a person living in Fort Green Brooklyn. But I live in Europe we don't have 20 different brands of toilet paper to choose from and conversations about Kim Kardashians cat. What we do appreciate in Europe, Africa, Latin America and beyond is THOUGHT. And again Spike gave Nola a lot to make us think. Maybe that is what Americans don't like!
@@sdsdssification Look at music just from the 70's (not even jazz which is an island of itself) Just look at Soul Music from Stevie Wonder, Earth Wind and Fire, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Ohio Players, Marin Gaye, Gamble and Huff, Bill Withers, Nina Simone, Roberta Flack, Look at salsa from Fania All Stars Celia Cruz, Hector Lavoe. Willie Rosario and so many more and just try to compare those artist to today's and it's a joke. You can go on RUclips and see the comments on the oldies and many millennials say "I wish we had music like this." We need to be learning from our elders, definitely taking it to the next level but we don't think we need to even look back at all. To me that is a failure and a breakdown of not only art but society as a whole!
I think they just made Nola pan and polyamorous to attract people. That’s what got me to watch it, I thought it was going to show what being a black pansexual/polyamorous person is like
We could have done without the men this season. The first episode yes. But idc about their lives with other women. It was definitely a different flavor than the first season. I didn’t hate it didn’t love it. But i love watching black people on screen. And i watched as i took out my braids. 😬
You hit the nail on the head regarding xenophobia within the diaspora. Loved your points on the inconsistency of Nola’s black pride and yet her offensive mocking of African names. Frankly, Olu’s character was being dragged by Black British people also because of how ridiculous and non-representative his views were for the Black British community at large. The writers REALLY got it wrong and what it sounded like was more the perception of how the writers ASSUME Black British people think vs. the reality. Great commentary Kim. Keep the good content coming 🙌🏿✨
@@preciousaryee2901 I actually think that he shouts about it. If he's not enforcing mixed races, he is forcing interracial relationships down everyone's throat. He's definitely obsessed with the whitest of Blacks. School Daze, Do The Right Thing, Jungle Fever etc.. His wife in real life is an example of his colorist issues. Spike has plenty demons.
So true! You brought up all the points I was thinking but didn't express because I was @ work. Lol!!! But seriously, I have always thought his movies promote and reinforce long standing Black skin tone beliefs. However, I withstood the series because he's effective in his use of "place" on film. Good points. Thanks for the dialogue👊🏾👩🏾💻
My sister said something to me that changed my perspective on things: Maybe you just don't like it. I think we get caught up sometimes because of who the director is and that fact that it's for "the culture" we hesitate to critize. I'm with you. I can binge watch other stuff--but this? Starting stopping. Characters too flawed? Overt level of characters being sexualized. I just can't stan this show.
I'm finding so many people are hesitant to criticize black art. I used to be as well until I realized, black art cant progress and do what it's supposed to do when there is no critique and creatives are unaware that something they wrote was offensive or didnt go far enough in subject matter. Otherwise what is art for?
I liked it...I think I just have become used to his style of directing...I agree some of it was jumbled but I like that he tackles issues of gentrification sexism classism etc. and I love how he introduces the audience to figures like Ralph Ellison and Zora Neale Hurston And I'm 41 so you may be right about the age factor lol
Hmmm, I loved it but I guess it depends on who is watching. Spike Lee is an artist and art is subjective. I so love this series! I believe the oldest millennials turn 37 this year so I don't think it is dated at all.
season 1 was based on the 1986 film so ofc it was better, season 2 was just like a “we have to create something to continue the story line in my opinion. Still love the show 💜
If we didn't see that Mars was the 2019 version of Mookie from the start of Season 1, we are blind AF! I noticed that as soon as I saw Anthony Ramos' character. I was just waiting to see how they were going to incorporate that into this show.
Elle Anitri exactly I was surprised that the Mars character had an Hispanic accent and would also say please baby baby please - and now it makes sense lolllll.
I thought I was the only one. I loved the movie! But I think like most things made for black people by black people, it is too literal. It throws too many issues in your face as opposed to being subtle. It makes me think Spike Lee thinks black people are stupid. I would love a story like this that is nuanced and complex.
I gotta say tho, I’m NE 👏🏼 VER 👏🏼 here for that phrasing of “women should keep their legs closed to married men”. They shouldn’t HAVE to keep their legs closed! I’ve been cheated on a couple times, but I have never even CONSIDERED putting that on the other woman. Bitch, I was never depending on Maria down the street! I was depending on that MAN! I entered an agreement with my man. That woman isn’t responsible for breaking my trust and damaging our relationship, he is.
I really wanted to know what transpired after Thanksgiving at the end of season 1 to even make Opal want Nola back as a serious partner. Like up in her house and having a real relationship with the daughter Skylar. I find it a bit unbelievable bc Nola was disrespectful to Opal and childish throughout all of season 1 and then when we see her in season 2 in a more committed relationship with Opal, she is pulling the same shit, but now it's worse bc she consistently violates the boundaries that Opal wants in place when it comes to her parenting. Opal is portrayed as mature and put together, so I found it hard to believe she was tolerating it at all, and then just broke up with her so abruptly with even less of an explanation than their little break up in season 1. Is it just me? Also, hell yes the sex scene was very male gaze -ish, and tbh their whole relationship was. And i said the exact same thing about the braids when I watched the sex scene!!! That's not what lesbian sex looks like. The braids were honestly just the straw that broke the camels back with that.
Sam M It felt really abrupt that Opal would put 18 months into their relationship and tolerate Nola, then break up with her with no follow up. Like I seriously felt like they were put back together for that sex scene alone, lol. I wanted their relationship to be taken more seriously, but it made no sense.
I dislike this show so much that I get angry when I see the title on the Netflix home page. That opening sex scene was just ....a lot and I thought who are they writing that for HBO AFter Dark ? The show as a whole annoyed me , I felt insulted most of the time. That coupled with the un-likable Nola, I could not stick it out.
eveneptune I thought the exact same thing as well. I was thinking no one does that! Also I’m not a lesbian so I can’t speak with certainty but it appeared to me that they tried to make the lesbian sex scene very hetero.
So...I'm an Indigenous woman from canada who has only lived in small cities. I saw this show as a love letter to Brooklyn through the characters. I think Brooklyn is the protagonist, really. I dont know why I loved this so much beyond the fact I'm 40, polyamorous, bisexual and a spike Lee fan. I might also be a selfish, oblivious artist type. (Ouch!) But I think it's one of the best Netflix series that doesnt include horror elements. I agree I have no idea what genre it is.(edit after watching) Spike Lee's character from Do the Right Thing is Mars' dad?!!
@D W Mars' mom clearly said his dads name was Mooki. Is there any reason why it wouldn't be the Mooki we all know? Why would Spike Lee use that name if it wasnt Mooki from Do The Right Thing?
I agree with many of your critiques. The writing just takes me out of the few moments I started trying to connect to the story. They tried to hard to insert Jamie's storyline into this season. It felt forced and superfluous. The scene where he finally comes back home to apologize and ask for forgiveness was so off. No child would speak the way that Virgil was speaking to his parents which left me rolling my eyes at the whole exchange. I said the same thing about Nola holding up her braids during the sex scene with Opal, like who does that? This show had so much potential, but it seemed like a lot of it was squandered on bad writing, the inability to focus the plot, and weird stylistic choices (like the awkward teachable moments).
Yes!! I really wanted to like this show. I loved season 1 but I think it’s because it was New York and there were black people. I realized the women are unlikeable (Nola), one dimensional (Clorinda, Nola’s mom), or to be mocked (raqualetta, shemekka) Meanwhile the men are fully fleshed out and have complex characters
Zikomo7 exactly and that says a lot. It’s very obvious that the writing staff does not include the target demographic. To say this show is supposed to be an advocate for the millennial black woman it comes across, especially this season, very anti woman.
Jess Danielle very. I couldn’t find a pic of the writing staff but I’d be shocked if there’s someone under 35. It also seems that the darker the woman, the less development she’s given.
This is a show made for older people. If this was really about millennials, older people [my age] wouldn't understand the slang and wouldn't like the music.
I'm still gonna watch it because like you said I want to like it. I can't remember the last time I loved a show with a black female lead. Half&half and living single were two of my favorite shows.
Imo the first season was decent and I was looking forward to season 2. This season imo had no direction. Like what was this season even about? Tbh this show might get canceled
Season two is not doing it for me. The first season had me inspired, Nola was inspiring to me. How she took charge of her life and she was free. I was newly single and felt motivated. This season I’m like what is this.
But this show is about a messy, sloppy narcissist so I would expect her life and interactions with people to be a chaotic mess. Problem with these storylines is the fact that character and story devolpment is difficult to do in 9 episodes at 40 mins a pop. There are too many characters to go deep.
i love spike lee... we all have to start with that, but he needs to stop writing, directing, producing everything... especially when the lead is a woman.... its dry, old, and just a recycling of the things spike lee is known for... i'm tired of him exploiting Prince.. it is annoying as hell.. and the final "controversial" art piece behind the purple curtain... 🙄🙄... are you serious?! my imagination went much further than that trash piece on display.
The issue with Nola, Clo, and Mars went all through me. There is no way in hell I would be cool with either one and trying to support them if they did me like that. Makes zero sense to me tbvh
Yazmeen AK now I agree with this one here. How can Clo and Nola still be friends? But at the same time I rationalize that it is Nola the common denominator that we are talking about here. I have dated a few Nola types but would not marry her. Many people men and woman are drawn to this type of energy. Oops hope I’m not being random. Lolllllll
These were my exact sentiments about Blackkklansman! Too heavy handed and preachy-I’m tryna connect with the story bruh. I was taken out of the movie so many times smh.
I dropped Season 1 after the 3rd or 4th episode ive seen nuanced characters regardless of race, and the show pretends through aesthetics of blackness to characterize the cast. Rather than the characters general interests and ideas.
I feel you on wanting a brownstone in BK. Spike definitely made me want to move. I absolutely hated the execution of this show it could've been great I can't even watch season 2 cuz season 1 was so bad. I so agree with you on the writing and the judgment.
The scene with the braids was so trying! I was hella confused about that choice. Season 2 was a big eye roll. You're speaking to my soul on this. It was everywhere, I only liked the artsy stuff.
the term African is a term that connects African Americans to a global community of people of African descent that are connected by a common history and a common experience. Whether you are Jamaican, Guyanese, Trinidadian, Ghanaian, Nigerian, or Kenyan you have felt the sting of British colonialism. Haitians, Martiniquans, Senegalese, and Guineans have all felt the sting of French colonialism. Brazilians, Angolans, and Mozambicans have all suffered through Portuguese colonialism. And just about every group of African people in the world has experienced American racism in one form or another. The experiences may differ, but all people of African descent have been victimized by racism and oppression in one form or another. DON'T HATE OTHER BLACK PEOPLE FOR SUCCEEDING AND THINK THEY'RE STEALING YOUR OPPORTUNITIES. OPPORTUNITIES ARE ABUNDANT, BLAME THE SYSTEM AND THESE INDUSTRIES FOR LIMITING THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US BLACK PEOPLE AND SYSTEMATICALLY OPPRESSING US AND CREATING OBSTACLES FOR US. ugh. love yourselves and let us think critically and with context. I hate this show so much, it is dangerous information and misleading.
Oh lord the title made my heart drop. I think there's definitely a randomness to this show, but I really like that. It's not structured in a typical way, it's just very very different.
Moni Que W hmmmm well I’m not sure why everyone is so in love with this show but I agree with her I did not like this show. I literally had to force myself to watch it and I found myself fast forwarding through some of the parts because it was just that bad. I guess this generation of people like this type of stuff and I’m from the millennium era but this is a huge no for me. I’m not this simple. Spike could have done better. I just watched a very intense hard show from Ava on Netflix and was glued to my seat. This show I could easily walk away from comeback and not want to rewind and I hated how irresponsible Nola was. That’s what did it for me. She was the worst representation of a young black woman and I just wish they went a different direction
Donte Davis uhhhhh no, as a millennial who is a sexually liberated black woman painter treating her mental health issues, I hated this shit. I should’ve been the biggest cheerleader of this show and yet I find myself being a critic
@@Babycakes58476 Agreed! It seems like a lot of younger people became fans of Prince since he passed and it is now cool and "in" to be a fan even though they don't totally appreciate or understand his music.
The flaws outweighed any pros. The dialogue is heavy handed and bizarre, like it shouldn’t be coming out of any of these people’s mouths. The sex scenes are gratuitous and the conflicts between her and her men seemed random. The black dress episode was a breaking point for me.
allen13e yes agree. We black folks always complain about not having our own narrative but when that narrative does not align with our ideology we still complain. Oh well most of them will probably love Shaft.
I got 15 mins into episode 1 and was like “yeah right. Like this would happen.” And then I went back to watching Riverdale. 😂😂 which is supposed to be hokey.
Right! There's a big difference between intentionally hokey and a accidentally hokey bc of bad storytelling 🤣. I too enjoy how over the top Riverdale is!
I enjoyed season 2 better then season 1. For me I think that’s because I knew what I was walking into. this show doesn’t do subtle. Everything is over the top & heavy headed. She’s gotta have it world feels like style 1st style 2nd 3rd social subtext. (Mostly because Nola wears her emotions on her sleeve) I definitely believe the D.Wise playing Nola sells the character more then the writing.
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U didn't mention Papo, a.k.a Divine, played by Elvis Nalasco. He was homeless in season 1 but got his life together this season. What'd u think of him?
Meanwhile you look good at 30. Thought you were my age. #20s
For Harriet ur just one of those black women (ur not alone-by the way)who likes to bring the black man down..u should go work for the New York DA's office(when they see us)
I agree with you She's gotta have it Season 2 writing is terrible. She is always having sex with 3 or 4 people per season. I had no idea the main character was married in real life.
Before I watch anything I come here to see if you reviewed it first 😂
Someone said the show was an example why twitter conversations should never be spoken outloud 🤣🤣
Exactly. They literally just went to black Twitter and gave it to a 50 year old and said, "Here.... Try to sound hip and woke" 😑😑😣😣😒😒
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HILARIOUS 😂 😂 😂
IM SCREAMING !!!
singa4hire....How would you change it
I've watched both seasons of this show and I think the cast is great, however this show is so weird and tries too hard to be "woke"
I thought the same regarding trying too hard to be woke
Angel Cupidon THANK YOUUUU! I couldn’t take it!
What do you expect from spike lee lol
It fails so miserably though. Throw the whole show away. The cast is the only reason why I even started watching. I couldn’t stay though.
Sierra Nickál I think people do see thoughts topics. The writing and execution is awful. Spikes direction and writing is extremely condescending. He does try way too hard.
This season had so many unnecessary clips that dragged on and on. Like when Mars was in that girl's bathroom ( his recording studio) and the camera zoomed in on him yelling and making faces for 12 seconds.
Same I was just cringing waiting for it to stop
So wait im jus startin season 1 like im only halfway thru da 1st episode its her bday and Mars called is she fuckin mars too a cat who doesnt even have his own phone!?!?!?
Nevamind i jus got 2 dat part i was hopin she aint give da cornball none
Ha that part is the reason i stopped mid ep and never went back
That scene was so odd. Just odd balls.
I know what they were TRYING to do with Jaimes wife. They wanted to show her as her own person and not the helpless wife who gets cheated on. But 1) it’d have been more powerful if she checked Nola without performing a mockery of black women 2) Nola and Jaime stopped messing with each other a while ago right? This convo should have happened in Season 1
that i will agree with. Jamie had zero contact w/ nola in season 2 so that whole bit with him confused me...
Well the problem is...we don’t even like Jamie’s wife and we actually like Nola. So there’s little room to feel sorry for her although she got cheated on. The kids discussing their disappointment about Nola and Jamie did more for me than his ridiculous wife.
Right!
@@manipurachakra565 but Nola didn't brake them up🙄 remember in season 1 she told her husband is he inlove 🤔 is it the 2nd or 3rd time. So his been cheating for a while. So was Nola the reason they were separated or they were already separated when they met. OR idk🤔🤯🤪🧐
Pam411 P she may not be the sole reason but she is apart of the problem now knowing he was married and still participating in the affair. To us, the wife is just late finding out and we’re already over that situation lol
Fat Joe's Winnie character deserved at least 10 minutes of being criticized. Lol.
AT LEAST
Word!!
Amen!
Yep.
Every time he spoke or said Shemecka I cringed...
I felt like they really wanted Nola to be this woke contemporary sexually liberated intellectual person. The whole shebang. I think they absolutely did brainstorm on what they thought would appeal to “woke” millennials but they gave Nola too much. I find her character unbearable personality wise. Sometimes she used inflated language for casual conversations. Sometimes she used super outdated slang. She’s pretty much hoeing out here sleeping with peoples husband. They want us to get empowered woman from her character. But I think she’s a damn mess.
Yes Honey Yes yaaasssss. You’re on point with everything you said
Could. Not. Agree. More.
@@willywonka1897 I think that’s a valid point to take away from her character, absolutely.
Yea bc I really don’t think polyamory is for the black community it Doesn’t really sit right
As a young, urban african american female painter myself, i desired SO much to love this show as well...among many other things, i had a problem with how unrealistic her portrayal as an artist was (not really the actress' fault tho). She came off as soooooooo phony. It was an non-artist's portrayal of an artist. And there were several moments when i cringed so hard lol. And yes, her art was bad. 😒
I'm an artist also and I completely agree, although some people like that are out there but for the most part the community of artist I've encountered would be like wtf is that?
Same exactly thank you for this comment. It's a director's portrayal of a painter and that's obvious
@Latoya M. Personally as an artist's I was unimpressed and amused by the peice it looked like edgy art that an artist would do in highschol. It was certainly nothing special
@Latoya M. oh, well peices similar to that in the past have been in a general
America kills black people or America makes black ppl kill themselves Ect.
Omg! Yes, this comment! As a young, black, lesbian artist (primarily a writer, but a bit of visual art as well) myself, I wanted to love the show and Nola. I am always here for representation of black, women artists and feel so at home when I see it. But her portrayal as an artist is def unrealistic and, I believe, a bit romanticized. I just think your comment is spot on.
The block party was too damn long. The self righteousness of Nola, was ridiculous....it was a lot of rubbish.
I agree. The kids are cute but I could have done without their concert extending for 50% of the show.
I fast forwarded through it 😂
Another fast forward moment
Shalesha Lake 😂😂😂😂 their performance was trash
That's right. Call that ish how you see it.
I felt so underwhelmed by the "controversial" art of the last episode. It was over hyped by the characters and they should have kept it hidden.
YES EXACTLY. They should have kept it hidden and let our imagination's go wild
@@deej5608 because nothing is worse than the imagination! I think they made the decision to show it because they were trying to shock the viewer.
@@t.zachry843 but it wasn't shocking. It was underwhelming. My imagination was running wild and then I see the picture and I'm like ummmmm ok
@@deej5608 I know 😂 they really thought they did something.
@@t.zachry843 Now season 3 is going to be about some lackluster painting and how it triggered the black community. Chile please 😒😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can we be honest Spikes has always had trouble writing black female characters...frankly he's borderline (he crosses it) misogynistic
Definitely!
Her character is just your basic over-sex black women who doesn't want to be called a hoe but wants to act like a hoe. Nola just has casual sex and not just that but sex with married men. Spike Lee really does not care about black women. He just wants to make money off of selling black women's bodies.
Spike daughter, wife and others help write the show as well this isn’t just on him
AGREED. You can tell it was written by someone who has IDEAS about what this could look like but has no idea what it's actually like to be a black millennial woman
Shenee Nola should have been older and not a millennial you are so correct!
Insecure by Issa Rae is all about the black millennial experience. I watched the 3 seasons SO FAST after the disastrous ending of GoT.
Insecure is a caricature of AA millennials. Lol.
Insecure actually make smart and beautiful woman look like all they can do is make horrible decisions. I'm not a fan of that one either. But to each his own. It's not very well developed.
Insecure has black women calling each other "bitch" every other word, sleeping around too much, and unconcerned with finding a serious partner in their prime years. Black women remain the least married and this show is partly why.
bluesneakers yeah I agree. I don’t relate to these women anymore than Nola
bluesneakers 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 a mockery
They tried to make that Nigerian British guy seem like an amazing guy but he wasn't; he was trash. Like i said previously, the show should have been a film not a series.
Pelumi Labiyi it was a film. Season 1 was actually really good imo
Man!! Right?!?!
Pelumi Labiyi he was complete trash. For him to not come to her event but instead to occupied with his on life. Guys has been drop for not attend special events.
True
i loved season one, but i feel like they wanted to end the show after season one thats why season 2 was so far off and took so long to return.
I hate how they viewed us black Brits as having Stockholm syndrome, and pretty much disregarding our own struggles we have to face
Fully forgetting that there were a large number of Brits that went to America to exploit the land in the first place...I mean the Tea Party?!
Yeah...as a Black American woman, the Stockholm Syndrome line made me cringe. If it was written better this would have been a perfect place for Olu to push back and set Nola straight on her ignorant perspective. This rang so hollow.
No! This exists only in Spike Lee's Brooklyn Bizarro world.
TheCleverKid Watts the African British character did push back
As a fellow Afropean (Black French), I hated it too
WHEN SHE SAID THE ART DONT EVEN SLAP I HOLLEREDDDD!!!! That was the moment i remembered to hit the like button
Yesssss... She is hilarious
Season 1 was tolerable.
I found myself wondering the point of Season 2. It was rambling. The singing scene went on way too long. The end scene is anticlimactic. I don't understand the purpose of any of the former love interests, Opal included. I hated the dancing scene in Puerto Rico. It felt extremely pretentious. I could go on, but why?
Like you said, it was a mess.
The part when Nola held her hair up while performing head on Opal was cringe 🤦🏾♀️😭😂🙅🏾 it was just too much. You don’t have to throw “art” in every seen.
The sex scenes throughout were so random!!! Added little value to the interactions...:(
Trueee 😂😂😂 i had too laugh
Yea they was doing the most.
Like she wouldn’t have wrapped one of the braids around into a temporary pony tail holder or just went in...cmon writers.
DeJuana Marie well put but I found the scene interesting. I think the action was purposely added to force a reaction.
Absolutely No One:
Spike Lee: Your father is Mookie!
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Lmbooooo Factory
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YEEEESSSSS!!!! I was doing the math and everything!!!
But didn’t he say his sons name was hector tho ?
@@robinlofton655 I guess he had more than 1 son👀
Awful. I'm from Brooklyn. Born and raised. Outside of Crooklyn, Spike's movies have always been a mess. Strange and annoying characters, terrible acting and this cookie cutter image of Brooklyn. Also, his obsession with high yella and Hispanic people needs to be addressed and treated.
MizIron Box I agree ☝️
MizIron Box Yes I am from the Bronx and he is one of those black people from NYC who seems obsessed with Spanish people like he wants to be them which reminds me of Lil Kim someone else from Brooklyn saying “I feel like a Spanish women in a Black persons body” and well we see how she’s changed her look. It’s this strange obsessions some blacks in NYC have about Spanish people and I mean we are integrated for the most part in NYC but it’s weird
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Yes. Clearly, he has a type. His wife has the same profile.
D W Number one we all have different experiences meaning I have seen it with my own eyes. Me and you are not going to have the same experiences nor I doubt run in the same circles, live in the same area or nothing. So yes most, keyword “most” Black New Yorkers use to have this weird obsession with wanting to be “Latina or Latino” anything just not to be black clearly that goes back to slavery and colorism and all that. Now RECENTLY I have not seen it much because clearly black people are starting to love themselves and appreciate that they are just black without trying to be mixed with everything else. This is about people like Spike Lee especially back in his era the men who were obsessed with Lightskin and Latina women because brown and darkskin women were treated badly or looked down on.
I enjoyed season 1, but have been avoiding all conversation about season 2. You're right...(sigh)...it was repetitive and dull. Even Nola's art was suffering. :(
Huh? The Art was comparatively better
@@blooeyedtigger3145 Maybe a better word than suffering is unsatisfying. During season 1 I liked how the story told in each episode let to the evolution of her self portrait, and I was looking forward to more of that growth. But I didn't feel the same sort of build-up behind her work in season 2. Maybe I'll give it another chance at some point, but upon 1st viewing the work I saw in season one was more interesting.
@@cdubbyah5938 agreed. Nola's art and inspirations were predictable and unimaginative in my opinion this season. It may have looked nice but there were no surprises or new knowledge. The last piece was anticlimatic.
I have been avoiding convo on this season also because I dig Spike's work overall and this talented cast. I'll slowly discuss it like here but I'm like 'next...'.
Your vocabulary gives me life.
Didactic, hunty!!! Yes!
A MESS. glad I’m not the only one who thinks this. Dewanda is a beautiful actress, would love to see her in something else
She’s in another Netflix film - something great
And cancelled show, s2 of underground
@@fitchgirl02 I loved Underground 😥
The trip to Puerto Rico was random as hell tbh I was like wtf is happening.
@ Yesss. I couldn't stand that scene.
KingMickD true
I thought it was out of the blue as well. But somehow Mars and his sister were so broke that they managed to fly out to Puerto Rico. Strange. The show is soooo off🤦🏾♀️
@@traceym826ts I assumed their mom flew them out..Plus the sister wasn't broke, she got evicted because she wasn't on the lease, only the mother was. And since the mom was living Puerto Rico and not in that apartment, that got her evicted...
Yesss
I can't believe DeWanda Wise had to back out of Captain Marvel for this.
Michael-Michelle Pratt really??? I didn’t know that! Very disappointed.
Are you friggan kidding me?!? Wowzerzzzz sad.
Michael-Michelle Pratt I forgot about that. Damn, she missed out on some big money for such a disappointing season.
Rana Ray I thought that exact same thing as I watched that scene. I know she has to be upset regardless.
DeJuana Marie Yup. I remember it was all online that she was cast and then had to drop out because of scheduling conflicts, and Lashana Lynch took over.
I totally agree about the gratuitious aspect of the lesbian sex scene, so straight male-centric in its execution!
DEadass rolled my eyes and skipped. Like it wasn’t even 20 minutes into the season.
jasayehan you’d think Spike Lee would know that considering he was trying to make this show so “woke” but I guess not
As a black lesbian, I concur.
As a black British person I felt like the British African artist was a caricature and poorly written.
The scene about the actors was appalling.
@JuniorX EastNY thank you for taking the time to explain. Makes sense now.
@JuniorX EastNY see this is the conversation that could've been had on the show.
@JuniorX EastNY I mean, this explanation makes sense to me but still stings. Black women (globally) shouldn't be having their identities insulted in 2019, by of all things, an American show with a black female lead. The scenes were Nola bastardises the Nigerian actors' names were just a wow.
Didn't like that dude
He was terrible. The scene was also awful.
I really watched to support Dewanda Wise and then I stayed for Anthony Amos. I also really like Spike Lee but I knew the second season would be a hot dirty mess but I still watched it.
"Hot dirty mess" 😭😭😭.
*Ramos*
I really, really wanted to like this show because I appreciate Spike Lee so much as a creator but yeah, I couldn't even finish Season One.
Spike Lee's problem has always been that he beats you over the head with lessons and that's cool sometimes but it really doesn't work for television. It's especially bad when the characters are just so unlikable despite great actors and cinematography because I just have no reason to be immersed in it. No one wants to hear a lesson from person they don't like, both in real life or fiction.
Haven't watched the show yet (and according to some of y'alls comments I guess I dodged a bullet!) but i co-sign the beating over the head part. I noticed it in blackkklansmen and bamboozled
Yeah, I feel like I understood the heavy handed-ness at the beginning of his career, but in 2019 that style of filmmaking just seems dated to me.
This!
I really tried to enjoy it this show but i couldn't finish season one, either.
What’s not to like about Nola?
I'm telling you this season's script had to have been made by a poor artificial intelligence trained to imitate the worst, shallowest parts of woke twitter. I can't even be mad at the forays into "social issues" because most of it was just word salad e.g. that scene about black British people having Stockholm syndrome. It just doesn't even make any sense. Then again, the dialogue was so forcefully injected with modern black slang that it just had to have been written by an old man (the misuse of "shade" was just... *chef's kiss* perfect).
I MIGHT have been able to overlook all that but there's not even a plot to get into. None of the plot lines have been fleshed out at all. Why are we still following Jamie and his light skinned wife? Since when did Shemekka start working with the feds? Why is that white girl in Nola's friend group? (edit: Nola, not Lola lol) Most of the characters are complete caricatures, which would be fine, but the show presents itself as a somewhat accurate look at black life in contemporary Brooklyn so it doesn't fit.
And the musical interludes. My God. Half the time I was wondering if the performances were comedic relief because they (1) were not good and (2) dragged on forever. Also the constant name dropping of black artists was cute in the first season (and I appreciated the inclusion of diverse, current black artists like Juliana Huxtable) but the historical allusions are so heavy handed. Also, the soundtrack doesn''t flow and doesn't slap... why am I hearing Gershwin, Nina Simone, and Madonna in succession? Honestly, we could have kept both the soundtrack and the album art confined to Spike Lee's iPhone.
Admittedly, I'm young so the original She's Gotta Have It was before my time and I've never seen it. But I hope and pray it's better than this nonsense. That said, this is such a trainwreck that I will indeed be tuning in for any future seasons. For the laughs.
Lastly, I wanna know who did the costume design for Greer. I just wanna talk.
5ystemError Lol. I cackled when you said “Who is the white girl in Lola’s friend group?” Lol. I thought the same as I was watching it.
🗣PREACH!
The Drag! 😭
Lawd Greer...lawd.... we just want to talk about it lmaooo
Never again will we get the amazing purple shirt Greer wore to thanksgiving dinner in season 1. RIP
im crying "this about to be a drag" has the same energy as "its above me now"
Lmaooooo
why can't we get fun light hearted shows smh it's like any time they attempt diversity it's always gotta be some cringe fake woke stuff and it's either that or a remake with a diverse cast or both lmao who needs to hear all that Twitter talk coming to life when you could have a fun creative show
Riiiight! Its never enough to have black characters just living life and experiencing things that are relatable. The plot always has to be ABOUT blackness. Its tiring.
And the black ppl always gotta be poor and miserable. Essentially the T.V. version of slave movies at this point. I appreciate that Nola is (upper?) middle class... but has no real form of income and couldn't afford that brownstone without her parents helping her big time.... so that's weird. But yes, shows that can demonstrate us just being people and not always struggling, having to preach, and feed on stereotypes would be great. The only show I've found so far recently is All American on Netflix. There are poor characters, but that doesn't define them and it's really uplifting and the whole thing isn't about race.
The singing needs to stop 🛑
Yes lol😂😂😂
There was 6 min full song concerts that were turble
Omg! Yes. So tragic.
YES!!! I felt like i was watching a musical 😤🤢🤧😡😠🤦🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️
I wonder if Anthony Ramos sang
I think we're in a day in TV age where we understand that the 'carefree girl' trope is dangerous, let alone non-existent. This is what people realised with Carrie Bradshaw in SATC because she appeared to just glide through life with the most minute of problems compared to that of her friends. Nola Darling is the same. However, at least Carrie was constantly discerning and questioning her decisions and their potential ramifications, albeit selfishly on her. Nola doesn't appear to have that ability of self-awareness/self-preservation which would unfortunately get a lot of women, particularly black women, in dangerous predicaments if they tried to copy that lifestyle.
I agree. This is a slippery slope and uberly unrealistic. Nola definitely gets to do whatever she wants with little consequence.
Wow! I've been a "carefree girl" my entire adult life (pushing 6 decades now) and it has been wonderful! No "trials or tribulations" 😆, very few regrets, happy memories of fun and friendships to last a lifetime. I have many girlfriends who've happily shared my adventurous lifestyle. By the time of SATC we thought "been there, done that so much better!" Perhaps it was the era we came "of age"? One thing for sure, there is definitely such a thing as the happy "carefree girl"! I've lived to tell the tale!
A👏🏽greed👏🏽
@@MK-hh1vo Good for you. However, since you're pushing 6 decades into this lifestyle now, I'm assuming you are not a millennial. Thus, the social, political and economic freedoms your generation benefit from will be different (and judging from statistics, better) to that of us millennials and younger.
@@MK-hh1vo Oohh great one teach me ur ways for I would like to be a "carefree girl" as well. 😫😌😮 Theres somethin about "carefree girls" tht tells me tht they grew up with very understanding and open minded/open arms type of parents. I cant relate my mother is very strict, but she also has this young spirit about her which I think makes her also a little bit hypocritical because I'm not even nearly like who she was and how she acted when was young, but when I do somethin thts not even bad just maybe a bit clumsy she acts like I just robbed a store and brought the evidence back to her house. But thts neither here or there. 🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤗🙄
I watched the first season and found it unrelatable and I’m a millennial. I’m sticking with Dear White People. Still clumsy but better at expressing the complicated conflicts young people have these days.
Yes DWP is more nuanced imo.
Yes I love DWP. It might be a bit much sometimes but it better than She’s gotta have it to me.
Is that back yet I loved that show super relatable
Fanta there’s a season 2 on Netflix, season 3 coming soon
I’m a millennial and I related with it so much. I genuinely feel like people see what they wanna see and hear what they wanna hear. Watching it I did not think that I’d like it but with everything I do I try to imagine what the artist, producer, writer etc is trying to get me to understand. That is the nature of art. I did back stories, watched interviews and research on every single episode. I like that it’s different, educational and. Seeing perspective that isn’t even mine or this society I’m in. I loved it
I cringed at the acting, the dialogue, the long shots, the preachiness, the singing!...all of it was horrible for me. Nola is so privileged and lucky...it’s just not genuine!
It’s like Spike Lee wanted to create one big love letter to Dewanda Wise and didn’t care if anyone else liked it. And we don’t. Lol
This! He's obsessed with her eyes. 👀
MizIron Box yes! It’s like we get it she’s beautiful but the character you have created is cringey and the story is bad like??? Lol
She is SO privileged! I hate it. Remember last season when she got away with not paying rent .....and that her rent is extremely cheap lol yeah right
Sometimes the only way I will watch a show is if I'm taking down my braids 😂
Raqkellz R. Lmfaoooo!!!!
True
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Im hollering!!! Because I was literally watching while taking my braids out
@@lovelee1772 hell yeah
The best episodes were when Nola was confronted on her BS by Shemeka and Clorinda. And the episode when Mars was singing. Otherwise it was choppy, sexist and just plain bad.
She was pretty dope on the Twilight Zone
Mars definitely is a break out actor. Plus hes was on Broadway in Hamilton so his singing was legit
THANK YOU SO MUCH for covering black Americans and their xenophobia against continental Blacks. As a Canadian Black ( with Caribbean ancestry) it really blows my mind and how Black Americans ignorantly assume that we don't experience the struggle the way Americans experience( obviously manifested differently)it , but also without taking the time to research outside of their bubble( AMERICA).
Right because all Black Americans think alike...... Just skip or the part where she took everyone in diaspora to task.
True! It is unspoken though
That long scene of Mars "singing" in the bathroom I mean WHY! Fat Joe's character yelling all his lines WHY!
don't come at my baby mars
@@kjewelb7209 riiiiight, we love Mars ❤️
I said the same thing! NO ONE gives head holding their hair like that!!!!
🤭 TRUE
Lol I saw that scene like gimme a break
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It was sooo weird. It felt like a porno. Like we gotta get that ass shot.
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Tried season 2 , it’s pretty bad . Why is Greer back ? Fat Joe’s accent was so annoying and love Anthony Ramos but too much of just letting him be a goof ball . I lost it with the Mookie is your dad convo . Lol 😂 but on a positive note . Very beautiful art and great job showcasing those artist . I felt like I was watching waiting for something good to happen and it never happened lol
UrbanFrugal Chick I agree with the Mookie part. And Mars was just cool with it like wtf 🤣
I thought it was me that was SOOOO annoyed with Fat Joe's accent
Yeah, this season was all over the place. I liked the first couple episodes with Opal, but after that it was just all over the place. Over the top sex scenes that took up too much time and added nothing, random dance and music numbers... And I still don't like Nola. She's extremely fake and I was hoping this season would address her lack of ability to really grasp reality. Opal gave her a little dose, as does her landlord, but nothing beyond that. Everybody else just caters to her fantasy and it drives me insane.
Yesssss to all of the above!
And that’s how u get ppl to watch season 3
I loved season 1 but I felt they tried to pack too much "woke Twitter" into the script in a very unnatural way. If season 2 is that same thing but more, maybe I'll take my time before watching season 2.
Season 2 is completely indecisive.
The comments I have read ,its obvious that most of you aren't familiar with Spike Lee's work . He's always reflected on what's going on in his community .
@@robertashley7104 I'm very familiar it's just that I think his style of directing hasn't aged well. In the case of SGHI I think he lost the essence of the work. The first season did well because it was shot and centered around the beautiful soul of Brooklyn and was sexually driven in an entertaining way. He couldn't decide what to do with this season. It was obviously unguided and clumsy.
robert ashley I’m a huge fan of Spike Lee..... but as a fan I can honestly say that this show isn’t it 😂. His directing style is amazing in his older works but this is a new age, and I don’t think he knows how to push the new agenda of Black Women in this Millennium well. I’ve watched almost all of his movies. But this second season sucks. And that’s that on that.
What a great perspective on the way we consume content.
“I don’t believe in high art or low art. If it brings me joy I’m watching it”. I’m taking that, Kim! Lol.
Great video. I agree. This season was trash. I still have 2 episodes left to watch and I’m loathing it.
I got bored with the series after Opal and Nola broke up.
I didn't understand the PR scenes.
Some of the scenes were way too long and unnecessary. Why did we need 10 minutes of music, facial expressions at the end of each episode?
Yeah the show had you lacking in so many ways
Spike Lee comes from an older black generation. That's why I couldn't watch it. It's too preachy, over the top, and simply "out of touch" with current youthful bw dilemmas & identity issues". It's not exactly relatable for 20 and 30 something bw of today. Totally get your point. It's off putting.
AnastaziaU I don't know how old you are, but to say, "he's from an older generation and that's why I couldn't watch it,' is an ignorant. premise. I feel the reason why black American art sucks to high heaven, is that the younger generation doesn't learn from what came before them. When I was in college, I listened to the 1930's jazz singer, Billie Holliday who was dead maybe a good 30 years before I was born. Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye, Celia Cruz, Hector Lavoe and others are all from my parents generation and that is the music I listen to as well. I read writers who wrote universal truths 150 years ago. As a human being, I can relate to Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky, James Baldwin who it's safe to say, aren't "millennials." The Godfather, a film made in the early 70's, is one of the greatest movies ever made and I'm not sure but I think Francis Ford Coppola isn't a millennial. "She's Gotta have it's" second season was fresh and international, going to PR showing us that black is not just fried chicken and Martin Luther King. Nola is a well drawn modern black intellectual artist, with real complexity. She's given texture and depth in a way that Olivia Pope and the other "I'm just like you" white gaze characters, don't have. She's flawed, insecure, fearless and fucked up mess at times, reminding me of my friends and myself, a 30 something Afro Latin from the Bronx who lives in Rome with her fine ass Roman Sicilian husband! I love Nola, the series and the statements about the damage gentrification is having on black neighborhoods all over the globe. When it gets to the point that young people can only see their image and perspective reflected in art, that's when art is DEAD. Black shit sucks because of thinking like yours! Mumble rap and R&B singers who can't really sing being lifted up on a pedestal is what black art has been reduced to. I'm from a multigenerational family so I remember when black people were dope and so does Spike. Apparently you don't, making an ignorant ass statement like you did! That was straight up "wacked,," to use a retro term I'm sure that offends your "need to be catered to" sensibilities.
@@lf1496 - I think you went in way too hard on AnastaziaU, going left with the whole "black art today sucks" thing. Even as a young man, Spike Lee was very didactic and preachy but now that he's older AND telling the story of a black millennial, those qualities are what his younger viewers are finding overbearing. That's a legitimate concern. I would ask anyone reading this to PLEASE see the original "She's Gotta Have It." There you will find an authentic character contemporary to her time relayed by the fresh (though didactic) voice of a young filmmaker. Hold on to your seats because the deeply disturbing use of rape as a tool to control female sexuality in the original will prove very problematic.
la mulata linda Martinez digging into the past is great but you gotta move forward. And their is plenty of “good” modern black art if you look deep enough. There was also trash music and film in the 20th century. Please top fantasying in the past.
@@ruggiec.ruggleby6511 I think black folks are in denial at the lack of quality of the art that is being produced in this moment. We act as if it's normal for rappers to be unintelligible, in an art form where communication and expression was the main focus. Spike has always leaned hard with his political statements, that is just Spike. But to say you can't appreciate a work of art because the person isn't of your generation, I repeat, is IGNORANT. No one in Europe, Africa or Latin America would make such an asinine statement. Art has no age limit. I go to museums every week and see great works of art that are 2000 years old. I read books written by ancient Greeks and Romans and Africans that discuss problems that I face right now in my life. I am a millennial, and I look to those from the past for their wisdom to gain wisdom in my life. We think we know it all and that is why we are falling off a cliff culturally and every way else. What I find "overbearing" are characters written by people who try to scrub all the black out of us or characters that make us "black" in acceptable and predictable ways. I hate "GAZE" and I appreciate what the women writers have done for Nola, giving her complexity, indecision, frailty, sexuality. Her "blackness" is a kaleidoscope of a larger human condition. Whether she says "dope" as opposed to" lit" means nothing to me. She's a political artist in a gentrified former black space., that is her character. So the politics is specific to her identity as a person living in Fort Green Brooklyn. But I live in Europe we don't have 20 different brands of toilet paper to choose from and conversations about Kim Kardashians cat. What we do appreciate in Europe, Africa, Latin America and beyond is THOUGHT. And again Spike gave Nola a lot to make us think. Maybe that is what Americans don't like!
@@sdsdssification Look at music just from the 70's (not even jazz which is an island of itself) Just look at Soul Music from Stevie Wonder, Earth Wind and Fire, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Ohio Players, Marin Gaye, Gamble and Huff, Bill Withers, Nina Simone, Roberta Flack, Look at salsa from Fania All Stars Celia Cruz, Hector Lavoe. Willie Rosario and so many more and just try to compare those artist to today's and it's a joke. You can go on RUclips and see the comments on the oldies and many millennials say "I wish we had music like this." We need to be learning from our elders, definitely taking it to the next level but we don't think we need to even look back at all. To me that is a failure and a breakdown of not only art but society as a whole!
The writers on this show just don’t seem to know what poly and pan is either
thank you!
I think they just made Nola pan and polyamorous to attract people. That’s what got me to watch it, I thought it was going to show what being a black pansexual/polyamorous person is like
This!!!! This was the problem with season 1 too. The portrayal of polyamory is all kinda wrong.
We could have done without the men this season. The first episode yes. But idc about their lives with other women.
It was definitely a different flavor than the first season. I didn’t hate it didn’t love it. But i love watching black people on screen.
And i watched as i took out my braids. 😬
Jessica Crawford the first season sucked too, probably not as bad, sucked still
You hit the nail on the head regarding xenophobia within the diaspora. Loved your points on the inconsistency of Nola’s black pride and yet her offensive mocking of African names. Frankly, Olu’s character was being dragged by Black British people also because of how ridiculous and non-representative his views were for the Black British community at large. The writers REALLY got it wrong and what it sounded like was more the perception of how the writers ASSUME Black British people think vs. the reality.
Great commentary Kim. Keep the good content coming 🙌🏿✨
why was everyone, apart from nola mixed🤔? that really confused me
Because it's Spike Lee and he has an unspoken colorist obsession. I noticed the traditional Black archetypes as well.
Spike Lee is OBSESSED with "quadroons" and "octaroons." Always has been. 😑
@@preciousaryee2901 I actually think that he shouts about it. If he's not enforcing mixed races, he is forcing interracial relationships down everyone's throat. He's definitely obsessed with the whitest of Blacks. School Daze, Do The Right Thing, Jungle Fever etc.. His wife in real life is an example of his colorist issues. Spike has plenty demons.
So true! You brought up all the points I was thinking but didn't express because I was @ work. Lol!!! But seriously, I have always thought his movies promote and reinforce long standing Black skin tone beliefs. However, I withstood the series because he's effective in his use of "place" on film. Good points. Thanks for the dialogue👊🏾👩🏾💻
Nikki Ogundele doesn't she have a dark jamaican friend
My sister said something to me that changed my perspective on things: Maybe you just don't like it. I think we get caught up sometimes because of who the director is and that fact that it's for "the culture" we hesitate to critize. I'm with you. I can binge watch other stuff--but this? Starting stopping. Characters too flawed? Overt level of characters being sexualized.
I just can't stan this show.
I'm finding so many people are hesitant to criticize black art. I used to be as well until I realized, black art cant progress and do what it's supposed to do when there is no critique and creatives are unaware that something they wrote was offensive or didnt go far enough in subject matter. Otherwise what is art for?
"Xenophobia is a stone throw from MAGA". YES! SAY THAT AGAIN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!
I liked it...I think I just have become used to his style of directing...I agree some of it was jumbled but I like that he tackles issues of gentrification sexism classism etc. and I love how he introduces the audience to figures like Ralph Ellison and Zora Neale Hurston
And I'm 41 so you may be right about the age factor lol
can i kickit I’m 20 and I loved it
Hmmm, I loved it but I guess it depends on who is watching. Spike Lee is an artist and art is subjective. I so love this series! I believe the oldest millennials turn 37 this year so I don't think it is dated at all.
I liked it too! I'm sitting here thinking did I miss something? Lol
Aryanne !!! Same ... like y’all tripping loo
I really liked it too.
Im a black french girl so i think i will have a different advice on that but no . This show is so messy, i feel embarassed, bored . Awful show .
It’s boring to you because your French lol the second season was horrible but the first season was not lol 😂
And Grier French was horrible 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
season 1 was based on the 1986 film so ofc it was better, season 2 was just like a “we have to create something to continue the story line in my opinion. Still love the show 💜
That lesbian sex scene was very 'male gaze-ish'!
If we didn't see that Mars was the 2019 version of Mookie from the start of Season 1, we are blind AF! I noticed that as soon as I saw Anthony Ramos' character. I was just waiting to see how they were going to incorporate that into this show.
I thought that too. He acts exactly like him.
Elle Anitri exactly I was surprised that the Mars character had an Hispanic accent and would also say please baby baby please - and now it makes sense lolllll.
I thought I was the only one. I loved the movie! But I think like most things made for black people by black people, it is too literal. It throws too many issues in your face as opposed to being subtle. It makes me think Spike Lee thinks black people are stupid. I would love a story like this that is nuanced and complex.
You just articulated the hell out of what i think about many black movies..
I gotta say tho, I’m NE 👏🏼 VER 👏🏼 here for that phrasing of “women should keep their legs closed to married men”. They shouldn’t HAVE to keep their legs closed! I’ve been cheated on a couple times, but I have never even CONSIDERED putting that on the other woman. Bitch, I was never depending on Maria down the street! I was depending on that MAN! I entered an agreement with my man. That woman isn’t responsible for breaking my trust and damaging our relationship, he is.
Agree!
When you said “male-gaze ish,” I was like...Ohhh NO. Not this again-WHEN will Hollyweird be cured of this?????
Explain lol im lost
Huh?
It was inaccurate. It’s a mans version of a lesbian encounter. It was damn near offensive. Spike does the female narrative no justice.
Narly waves you can tell when a lesbian sex scene was written by a man who has only seen lesbian sex in porn
Thank u dear, you explained it much better than I would have. ❤️
This show just made me so embarrassed. Just badly written. Hope someone from spike lee’s team just watch this video 🙏🏽
Right a very, very good analysis of the show.
I really wanted to know what transpired after Thanksgiving at the end of season 1 to even make Opal want Nola back as a serious partner. Like up in her house and having a real relationship with the daughter Skylar. I find it a bit unbelievable bc Nola was disrespectful to Opal and childish throughout all of season 1 and then when we see her in season 2 in a more committed relationship with Opal, she is pulling the same shit, but now it's worse bc she consistently violates the boundaries that Opal wants in place when it comes to her parenting. Opal is portrayed as mature and put together, so I found it hard to believe she was tolerating it at all, and then just broke up with her so abruptly with even less of an explanation than their little break up in season 1. Is it just me?
Also, hell yes the sex scene was very male gaze -ish, and tbh their whole relationship was. And i said the exact same thing about the braids when I watched the sex scene!!! That's not what lesbian sex looks like. The braids were honestly just the straw that broke the camels back with that.
I ignored it for the representation but your completely right
@@nelumboandrews6762 what representation are you talking about, specifically?
@@SamM32727 I was talking abt black lesbian w/ kids representation which I strongly relate to
@@nelumboandrews6762 I see. I wish there was more representation too but I guess it goes to show that not all representation is good representation 🤷
Sam M It felt really abrupt that Opal would put 18 months into their relationship and tolerate Nola, then break up with her with no follow up. Like I seriously felt like they were put back together for that sex scene alone, lol. I wanted their relationship to be taken more seriously, but it made no sense.
I watch anything you upload even if I have no clue what’s going on! Love you Kim❤️😭
Same !!
Same here. Her energy is extremely pleasant
I watched the first 2 episodes of season 1, and I was done!😐 I Just couldn't get into it.😑
Pretty Jackson same.
I'm no prude but I did the same cause that sex scene left a bad taste in my mouth.
First 2 minutes*
Pretty Jackson she was! And those sex scenes... Omg so gratuitous and unnecessary 🤮🤮
I dislike this show so much that I get angry when I see the title on the Netflix home page.
That opening sex scene was just ....a lot and I thought who are they writing that for HBO AFter Dark ?
The show as a whole annoyed me , I felt insulted most of the time. That coupled with the un-likable Nola, I could not stick it out.
Cant like this comment enough
I was thinking the same thing about Nola holding up her braids. I swear she thought her braids were her wings. lol
eveneptune I thought the exact same thing as well. I was thinking no one does that! Also I’m not a lesbian so I can’t speak with certainty but it appeared to me that they tried to make the lesbian sex scene very hetero.
So...I'm an Indigenous woman from canada who has only lived in small cities. I saw this show as a love letter to Brooklyn through the characters. I think Brooklyn is the protagonist, really.
I dont know why I loved this so much beyond the fact I'm 40, polyamorous, bisexual and a spike Lee fan. I might also be a selfish, oblivious artist type. (Ouch!) But I think it's one of the best Netflix series that doesnt include horror elements.
I agree I have no idea what genre it is.(edit after watching) Spike Lee's character from Do the Right Thing is Mars' dad?!!
@D W Mars' mom clearly said his dads name was Mooki. Is there any reason why it wouldn't be the Mooki we all know? Why would Spike Lee use that name if it wasnt Mooki from Do The Right Thing?
I agree with many of your critiques. The writing just takes me out of the few moments I started trying to connect to the story. They tried to hard to insert Jamie's storyline into this season. It felt forced and superfluous. The scene where he finally comes back home to apologize and ask for forgiveness was so off. No child would speak the way that Virgil was speaking to his parents which left me rolling my eyes at the whole exchange. I said the same thing about Nola holding up her braids during the sex scene with Opal, like who does that? This show had so much potential, but it seemed like a lot of it was squandered on bad writing, the inability to focus the plot, and weird stylistic choices (like the awkward teachable moments).
Season 2 was terrible. The character development was dull this season. This season there was nothing to be excited about. I hope season 3 is better.
Odessa Fort girl they cancelled this show.
Yes!! I really wanted to like this show. I loved season 1 but I think it’s because it was New York and there were black people. I realized the women are unlikeable (Nola), one dimensional (Clorinda, Nola’s mom), or to be mocked (raqualetta, shemekka)
Meanwhile the men are fully fleshed out and have complex characters
Zikomo7 exactly and that says a lot. It’s very obvious that the writing staff does not include the target demographic. To say this show is supposed to be an advocate for the millennial black woman it comes across, especially this season, very anti woman.
Jess Danielle very. I couldn’t find a pic of the writing staff but I’d be shocked if there’s someone under 35.
It also seems that the darker the woman, the less development she’s given.
This is a show made for older people. If this was really about millennials, older people [my age] wouldn't understand the slang and wouldn't like the music.
I'm still gonna watch it because like you said I want to like it. I can't remember the last time I loved a show with a black female lead. Half&half and living single were two of my favorite shows.
Yes! And I was mad when Half & Half was cancelled to keep another show that was uninteresting.
Check out Queen Sugar, the female characters have more depth and complexity.
Check out chewing gum on Netflix great perspective on British black culture
It was a lot & too much at the same time.🤦🏾♂️ Mars stole the show for me, but everything else was random with a lack of continuity.🤷🏾♂️
This show went from worse to worser imo
Imo the first season was decent and I was looking forward to season 2. This season imo had no direction. Like what was this season even about? Tbh this show might get canceled
allen13e Well it’s on Netflix and they have a terrible track record with shows
Season two is not doing it for me. The first season had me inspired, Nola was inspiring to me. How she took charge of her life and she was free. I was newly single and felt motivated. This season I’m like what is this.
I know the show is about Nola, but I would enjoy it much more if it were about Mars, lol.
Same😩
Mars is hilarious
But this show is about a messy, sloppy narcissist so I would expect her life and interactions with people to be a chaotic mess. Problem with these storylines is the fact that character and story devolpment is difficult to do in 9 episodes at 40 mins a pop. There are too many characters to go deep.
Your critical voice is so good and needed tbh. I’m really glad you make these videos!
i love spike lee... we all have to start with that, but he needs to stop writing, directing, producing everything... especially when the lead is a woman.... its dry, old, and just a recycling of the things spike lee is known for... i'm tired of him exploiting Prince.. it is annoying as hell.. and the final "controversial" art piece behind the purple curtain... 🙄🙄... are you serious?! my imagination went much further than that trash piece on display.
Jen AB the art piece was not even good just a rehash of a meme on face book with Nola in it
Side note: Girl you 30? I thought you was my age ,20- I gotta get moisturising lol
Ikr! She's brilliant as well as beautiful. ✌🏾
The issue with Nola, Clo, and Mars went all through me. There is no way in hell I would be cool with either one and trying to support them if they did me like that. Makes zero sense to me tbvh
Yazmeen AK now I agree with this one here. How can Clo and Nola still be friends? But at the same time I rationalize that it is Nola the common denominator that we are talking about here. I have dated a few Nola types but would not marry her. Many people men and woman are drawn to this type of energy. Oops hope I’m not being random. Lolllllll
These were my exact sentiments about Blackkklansman! Too heavy handed and preachy-I’m tryna connect with the story bruh. I was taken out of the movie so many times smh.
I also disliked BlackKkklansman.
For the past 10 years or so the movies and shows centered on Black matters seem to lack subtlety , and I don’t think the purpose is art.
I thought the Blackkklansman was a terrible movie.
Ugh that movie was terrible! The redeeming arc about police was so blatant and disappointing
Oh yeah, finally picked that up from the redbox. So bad.
I dropped Season 1 after the 3rd or 4th episode ive seen nuanced characters regardless of race, and the show pretends through aesthetics of blackness to characterize the cast. Rather than the characters general interests and ideas.
I feel you on wanting a brownstone in BK. Spike definitely made me want to move. I absolutely hated the execution of this show it could've been great I can't even watch season 2 cuz season 1 was so bad. I so agree with you on the writing and the judgment.
The scene with the braids was so trying! I was hella confused about that choice. Season 2 was a big eye roll. You're speaking to my soul on this. It was everywhere, I only liked the artsy stuff.
I lilked the first season, but HATED the second
Same
I couldn’t get past episode 1 of season 1! Props to y’all for watching. 😂
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DON'T HATE OTHER BLACK PEOPLE FOR SUCCEEDING AND THINK THEY'RE STEALING YOUR OPPORTUNITIES. OPPORTUNITIES ARE ABUNDANT, BLAME THE SYSTEM AND THESE INDUSTRIES FOR LIMITING THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US BLACK PEOPLE AND SYSTEMATICALLY OPPRESSING US AND CREATING OBSTACLES FOR US. ugh. love yourselves and let us think critically and with context. I hate this show so much, it is dangerous information and misleading.
we love a critical thinking queen😭💘
Oh lord the title made my heart drop. I think there's definitely a randomness to this show, but I really like that. It's not structured in a typical way, it's just very very different.
Moni Que W hmmmm well I’m not sure why everyone is so in love with this show but I agree with her I did not like this show. I literally had to force myself to watch it and I found myself fast forwarding through some of the parts because it was just that bad. I guess this generation of people like this type of stuff and I’m from the millennium era but this is a huge no for me. I’m not this simple. Spike could have done better. I just watched a very intense hard show from Ava on Netflix and was glued to my seat. This show I could easily walk away from comeback and not want to rewind and I hated how irresponsible Nola was. That’s what did it for me. She was the worst representation of a young black woman and I just wish they went a different direction
Donte Davis uhhhhh no, as a millennial who is a sexually liberated black woman painter treating her mental health issues, I hated this shit. I should’ve been the biggest cheerleader of this show and yet I find myself being a critic
I feel as though Spike Lee is living vicariously through Nola Darlings character.
Bonita A just what was crossing my mind now. Of course he’s of fan/friend of prince so Nola also has to be... of course.
@@Babycakes58476 Agreed! It seems like a lot of younger people became fans of Prince since he passed and it is now cool and "in" to be a fan even though they don't totally appreciate or understand his music.
Also can someone tell me why they didn't like the first season? It had its flaws but I liked it.
allen13e the main character was very unlikable and unrelatable to me. And the story just wasn’t good to me.
The flaws outweighed any pros. The dialogue is heavy handed and bizarre, like it shouldn’t be coming out of any of these people’s mouths. The sex scenes are gratuitous and the conflicts between her and her men seemed random. The black dress episode was a breaking point for me.
allen13e yes agree. We black folks always complain about not having our own narrative but when that narrative does not align with our ideology we still complain. Oh well most of them will probably love Shaft.
I loved it!!
I got 15 mins into episode 1 and was like “yeah right. Like this would happen.” And then I went back to watching Riverdale. 😂😂 which is supposed to be hokey.
Right! There's a big difference between intentionally hokey and a accidentally hokey bc of bad storytelling 🤣. I too enjoy how over the top Riverdale is!
The Little Blerdmaid exactly!! 🙌
Absinthe Montenegro hahaa Gotta love Archie and Crew...
This season was definitely a ball of confusion. I was lost most of the time. I don't feel like there will be a season 3
Your vocabulary is giving me life! Damn woman!
Season 1 was TERRIBLE but they renewed it anyway. Not going to even try to watch season 2.
Right wanted to love if but if Spike don't have black women writers help him I'll never watch another season.
Thought I was the only one.
Dawni Ray Ohhh, it makes sense now. He better borrow some writers from Issa Rae 😳
"And the art don't even slap!?" Had me laughing like a crazy person In public. Let me know when you drop the merch. 😂
I enjoyed season 2 better then season 1. For me I think that’s because I knew what I was walking into.
this show doesn’t do subtle. Everything is over the top & heavy headed. She’s gotta have it world feels like style 1st style 2nd 3rd social subtext.
(Mostly because Nola wears her emotions on her sleeve) I definitely believe the D.Wise playing Nola sells the character more then the writing.
Completely agree
Nola makes me so angry, she's a horrible person, but everybody seems to love her anyway. It's disgusting, reminds me of a guy I used to know.
She's a horrible person? Lol. Thats a reach
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