1. Prop rod on hood - not a big deal. Most people buying a Lexus will not likely venture under the hood. 2. Range - it is not everything. As a Bolt EV driver, I use about 50 miles per day on my commute - national average is even less. Here in California, there are DCFCs everywhere. I, and most people, will not need more than this Lexus supplies. They should've been less conservative with the charge curve though. I imagine that is an easy BMS firmware update at the dealer if Lexus is willing to update it. 3. Front trunk - I do not miss a front trunk in my Bolt. As someone with a back problem, I'd likely never use a frunk anyway as bending over the hood of any car is not ergonomically great. I've used the ones in Polestars and Teslas - they are not really that useful, esp if the trunk is plenty big. 4. Dude - you charged above 80% at a DCFC. WHY?!? If you are doing that, you either are in a tight spot with long distance between DCFC, you planned your trip poorly, or you are new to this EV thing. 5. Cold weather (actual cold weather) - EVs are not for you yet if you need long winter range, you should know this. 6. Charge door - I will concede you this one. It doesn't look quality. 7. Public charging - stop thinking like a gas vehicle. Most people with EVs have home charging. It is not smart to own an EV without home charging options. 8. Genesis. Maybe you put Genesis on the same level as Lexus. Most people don’t. Personal preference, but my opinion, Genesis is a glorified Hyundai, not a paragon of reliability, and frankly, they are not much less expensive than Lexus, so I'd not really consider them unless they are on fire sale (like this RZ right now) 9. Tesla are not in the same league as Lexus with regard to vehicle comfort and luxury. I know there are people who cross shop them, but most Lexus owners will not step down to Tesla interior feel. 10. Range. Again, not nearly the issue you make it out to be. I've made several 400-500mile one-day drives in my Bolt without issue. This Lexus is way better than that, and I didn't have any real issues with my Bolt. The Bolt charges way slower, too. It is not a big deal. Take a breath and smell the roses.
Please keep poo-pooing this car. The depreciation hit it will take (and is) will make it a great upgrade for me next year, and I'll happily drive it for 20 years. Thanks!
I can appreciate these points for sure, but I also think you're being incredibly generous when it comes to criticism. Can the RZ work for people if you charge at home and primarily drive around town? Absolutely! But to excuse some of the practical limitations because of the perceived Lexus-ness of the RZ is place that on a pedestal WAY above daily usability. (And the dig at Tesla build quality is warranted but Genesis makes MUCH more stylish interiors with decadent materials). Ultimately, people should choose the EV that's right for them, and with current incentives the Lexus RZ behind much more attractive as a lease option.
@@jax1079 this is the key point... All of the reviews are primarily based on purchase price. There is no way I would have gone for this car if I was purchasing it. However from a lease perspective via salary sacrifice for me its considerably cheaper than a Model Y, Ioniq 5, Genesis, IX, etc etc and so it made it a no brainer.
Please, this car is basically a POS. The only reason it's getting passes like you're arguing for, is because it's living on the Lexus name which is now mostly wishful history.
@@anonuser you made zero counterarguments, why did you even bother to reply? At least the video producer who responded to my rebuttal of his arguments in the video responded intelligently. I don't agree with him, as he suggested that I put the mere fact it is a Lexus above daily usability, and that is not true at all. The number of people PRACTICALLY affected by this Lexus is nearly zero. Even if it was my only vehicle (which it wouldn't be), I would not be adversely affected by ANY of its short comings beyond a slightly longer wait for DC fast charging on longer trips. The only person who would not easily be able to use this vehicle would be someone who does not have home charging, or someone who is literally driving several hundred miles at a stretch on a daily basis, and in those cases, I would say there are almost zero EVs that would be satisfactory, and would suggest a regular hybrid or high efficiency gas car. But, you are probably just trolling, so congratulations.
It is a car I've been waiting for - quality build, comfy ride and plenty of space and thanks to the peoples anxiety over range is plentiful on used market. 67K? No, but would you buy one fully decked out for sub 40k with 3000 miles on an odometer? Price changes everything.
This is a great point. At a lower and more reasonable price, the RZ's deficiency is more tolerable and the luxury features and style become a larger selling point.
Really wanted to like this as I was in the market for a new car (EV this time) to replace my RX. Unfortunately while both the interior & exterior styling were great the abysmal range, slow charging, strutless front hood, & ugly charge port door all added up to too much compromise for me. In the end, went with a 2024 Sport 3 Cadillac Lyriq AWD and been loving every minute of it the past 6 months. Price came out to be a wash too as I managed to get $13,500 off on the Lyriq bringing the price to roughly the same as a loaded RZ (it not qualifying for the EV tax rebate doesn't help either). This car (and it's toyota/subaru platformates) just feels rushed. May take a look at Lexus's next crop of EV's next time it's time to switch cars. Hopefully by then they'll have a better EV platform and/or batteries (solid state maybe?)
What do you think about leasing the RZ450 for 2-3 years when the price is down to around $43K? Lexus knows they arent selling this vehicle and thus offering terrific promotions. Now its comparable in price to Kia and Hyndai EVs. I'd need to install a fast charger at home, which will be an added cost (but the same for any hybrid or EV). I'm worried about range especially as live in cold northeast but do have a 2nd vehicle at home (hybrid Jeep which is not the best for very long trips). But realistically, don't drive more than 50 miles a day on 99% of days. Is the loaner realistic to count on 2-3 times a year for long trips? If not this EV, which would you recommend for under $50k? TIA and great video!
I think it's going to be a great value, but... Check Toyota bZ4x prices right now for the limited trims: most of the Lexus goodness and prices are rock bottom. We're looking at those right now for the same reason
@@jax1079 the Toyota bZ4X is getting bad reviews... maybe you'll feel differently. I think I'm going ahead with the RZ450 for the luxury, smooth ride and pick up. Price cant be beat!
Great video. Thank you. I have committed to a 2 year lease at a monthly payment that was so good. It was a great decision and my only chance to be able to get into such a premium brand. And the drive , the quality was amazing . I’m not sure though in General if I have made a mistake. We don’t do a lot miles only the ocassional long trip but never 100s and 100s of miles Will be getting home charger too. And in general scared of going electric , I’ve committed now and not even sure if can cancel,
Enjoy the ride. Get home charging. You'll be fine. The reviewers are all taking a massive dump on Toyota/Lexus/Subaru EV, but they are fine for the vast majority of normal drivers not worried about a spec sheet battle. The Lexus is a much more premium vehicle than 99% of EVs out right now. Enjoy it!
I've also committed recently, gets delivered next week. Committed on. 3 year lease, very cheap in comparison to some of its competitors. We never do any trips longer than 100 miles roundtrip, mostly just small town runs. We also got a home charger being fitted. I think we will be fine and will have a great time, good luck!
I seriously had doubts . I got really confused and scared about this car and in general going electric . The range , the winter times etc etc. So I have cancelled the order and now I’m Looking to change over to a normal petrol/hybrid car . Don’t know what to go for. I know I’m now not going to find that premium car I wanted as the RZ lease deal was fantastic. But I did not anticipate that my insurance would be going up by £80 per month also to get the home charger was going to cost me £35 a month as could not Afford to pay in lump sum for one. But then again I would have saved £120 in petrol . I don’t know what Im doing . The Lexus is still there the if I still want it they said.
Looked at one on Friday , I questioned the range and the dealer told me that Lexus has a 30 day loaner program at no charge for owners of this car for road trip vacations. I'm buying an electric car and you will loan me a ICE car for trips what the Hell!
Yeah, it's weird and not great timing with the cooling EV market. There's a ton of things to like about it, but the price, range, and recharge speed make the Lexus RZ 450e a non starter
The "genius" engineers and marketing of Lexus did glass roof. It's tinted, but good luck driving it ar very hot weather. I did a test drive at a sunny, hot day 90+F, my family was at the back. All of us were frying 😅. The AC was barely producing slightly cool air. When I asked the sales person about the roof, he said that for the dimming feature you have to buy premium trim 😂. Nice marketing of Lexus. On the bright side: the handling, performance and suspension were good (to my taste)
this suv isnt made for larger drivers, i tried to sit in one at the philadelphia car show in 2023 and couldnt fit in it and then the 196 mile range isnt enough for me for 67k like i said i love this ev but i,ll be looking at another ev suv
Well, I own one. And I Have owned an Audi e-thron and a Mercedes eqc before. There is a GREAT difference between driving a car like this for a week and owning one. For some strange reson, the Lexus seems 10 TIMES better when it comes to 1) comfort 2) styling 3) practicality and 4) range. It just is som much better in all those aspects than its competitors. Just saying. And have have driven these cars for years... GO LEXUS!!!!
I wouldn't disagree with that. The Mercedes and Audi EVs are very average EVs (even if they're pretty nice vehicles). The Lexus is very competitive on the "nice car" front but equally uncompetitive as an EV.
That's actually completely false. The car's onboard power inverter is the biggest factor in charge rate, which is why some EVs with similarly sized batteries charge at very different rates. On top of that, manufacturers throttle charge rate through software and programming to protect battery life, and some choose to reduce charge rate as the battery approaches 100% more aggressively. While chargers can vary in how much power they dispense, especially Electrify America, different cars on the SAME charger would charge at very different rates.
Fast charging to 100% is not ideal to do in any EV because of the charging curve. You charge to 80% bc that’s the quickest and get going. You should learn about charging curves on EVs
Totally fair. And in some ways they've been proven right as the EV market has cooled, but... To release something that feels non competitive right out the gate seems like a mistake that can only work against brand.
That’s the case for just about every Lexus and Toyota on the market 😂 Overrated with too many compromises and too steep of a price tag for poor quality and poor value
1. Prop rod on hood - not a big deal. Most people buying a Lexus will not likely venture under the hood.
2. Range - it is not everything. As a Bolt EV driver, I use about 50 miles per day on my commute - national average is even less. Here in California, there are DCFCs everywhere. I, and most people, will not need more than this Lexus supplies. They should've been less conservative with the charge curve though. I imagine that is an easy BMS firmware update at the dealer if Lexus is willing to update it.
3. Front trunk - I do not miss a front trunk in my Bolt. As someone with a back problem, I'd likely never use a frunk anyway as bending over the hood of any car is not ergonomically great. I've used the ones in Polestars and Teslas - they are not really that useful, esp if the trunk is plenty big.
4. Dude - you charged above 80% at a DCFC. WHY?!? If you are doing that, you either are in a tight spot with long distance between DCFC, you planned your trip poorly, or you are new to this EV thing.
5. Cold weather (actual cold weather) - EVs are not for you yet if you need long winter range, you should know this.
6. Charge door - I will concede you this one. It doesn't look quality.
7. Public charging - stop thinking like a gas vehicle. Most people with EVs have home charging. It is not smart to own an EV without home charging options.
8. Genesis. Maybe you put Genesis on the same level as Lexus. Most people don’t. Personal preference, but my opinion, Genesis is a glorified Hyundai, not a paragon of reliability, and frankly, they are not much less expensive than Lexus, so I'd not really consider them unless they are on fire sale (like this RZ right now)
9. Tesla are not in the same league as Lexus with regard to vehicle comfort and luxury. I know there are people who cross shop them, but most Lexus owners will not step down to Tesla interior feel.
10. Range. Again, not nearly the issue you make it out to be. I've made several 400-500mile one-day drives in my Bolt without issue. This Lexus is way better than that, and I didn't have any real issues with my Bolt. The Bolt charges way slower, too. It is not a big deal. Take a breath and smell the roses.
Please keep poo-pooing this car. The depreciation hit it will take (and is) will make it a great upgrade for me next year, and I'll happily drive it for 20 years. Thanks!
I can appreciate these points for sure, but I also think you're being incredibly generous when it comes to criticism. Can the RZ work for people if you charge at home and primarily drive around town? Absolutely! But to excuse some of the practical limitations because of the perceived Lexus-ness of the RZ is place that on a pedestal WAY above daily usability. (And the dig at Tesla build quality is warranted but Genesis makes MUCH more stylish interiors with decadent materials). Ultimately, people should choose the EV that's right for them, and with current incentives the Lexus RZ behind much more attractive as a lease option.
@@jax1079 this is the key point... All of the reviews are primarily based on purchase price. There is no way I would have gone for this car if I was purchasing it. However from a lease perspective via salary sacrifice for me its considerably cheaper than a Model Y, Ioniq 5, Genesis, IX, etc etc and so it made it a no brainer.
@@JoinTheBlocks Very true. And I expect those offers to continue to get more generous as the EV market cools. Hope you enjoy yours! 👍🏻
Please, this car is basically a POS. The only reason it's getting passes like you're arguing for, is because it's living on the Lexus name which is now mostly wishful history.
@@anonuser you made zero counterarguments, why did you even bother to reply? At least the video producer who responded to my rebuttal of his arguments in the video responded intelligently. I don't agree with him, as he suggested that I put the mere fact it is a Lexus above daily usability, and that is not true at all. The number of people PRACTICALLY affected by this Lexus is nearly zero. Even if it was my only vehicle (which it wouldn't be), I would not be adversely affected by ANY of its short comings beyond a slightly longer wait for DC fast charging on longer trips. The only person who would not easily be able to use this vehicle would be someone who does not have home charging, or someone who is literally driving several hundred miles at a stretch on a daily basis, and in those cases, I would say there are almost zero EVs that would be satisfactory, and would suggest a regular hybrid or high efficiency gas car.
But, you are probably just trolling, so congratulations.
It is a car I've been waiting for - quality build, comfy ride and plenty of space and thanks to the peoples anxiety over range is plentiful on used market. 67K? No, but would you buy one fully decked out for sub 40k with 3000 miles on an odometer? Price changes everything.
This is a great point. At a lower and more reasonable price, the RZ's deficiency is more tolerable and the luxury features and style become a larger selling point.
Really wanted to like this as I was in the market for a new car (EV this time) to replace my RX. Unfortunately while both the interior & exterior styling were great the abysmal range, slow charging, strutless front hood, & ugly charge port door all added up to too much compromise for me.
In the end, went with a 2024 Sport 3 Cadillac Lyriq AWD and been loving every minute of it the past 6 months. Price came out to be a wash too as I managed to get $13,500 off on the Lyriq bringing the price to roughly the same as a loaded RZ (it not qualifying for the EV tax rebate doesn't help either).
This car (and it's toyota/subaru platformates) just feels rushed. May take a look at Lexus's next crop of EV's next time it's time to switch cars. Hopefully by then they'll have a better EV platform and/or batteries (solid state maybe?)
Hopefully the second effort will be better.
Dose the driving experience like the Mercedes EQE SUV?
Don't know, we haven't tested that one yet 😉
What do you think about leasing the RZ450 for 2-3 years when the price is down to around $43K? Lexus knows they arent selling this vehicle and thus offering terrific promotions. Now its comparable in price to Kia and Hyndai EVs. I'd need to install a fast charger at home, which will be an added cost (but the same for any hybrid or EV). I'm worried about range especially as live in cold northeast but do have a 2nd vehicle at home (hybrid Jeep which is not the best for very long trips). But realistically, don't drive more than 50 miles a day on 99% of days. Is the loaner realistic to count on 2-3 times a year for long trips? If not this EV, which would you recommend for under $50k? TIA and great video!
I think it's going to be a great value, but... Check Toyota bZ4x prices right now for the limited trims: most of the Lexus goodness and prices are rock bottom. We're looking at those right now for the same reason
@@jax1079 the Toyota bZ4X is getting bad reviews... maybe you'll feel differently. I think I'm going ahead with the RZ450 for the luxury, smooth ride and pick up. Price cant be beat!
I ordered this car in China 35k
Great video. Thank you. I have committed to a 2 year lease at a monthly payment that was so good. It was a great decision and my only chance to be able to get into such a premium brand. And the drive , the quality was amazing . I’m not sure though in General if I have made a mistake. We don’t do a lot miles only the ocassional long trip but never 100s and 100s of miles Will be getting home charger too. And in general scared of going electric , I’ve committed now and not even sure if can cancel,
I don't think that's a bad plan, especially to see if it fits in your life.
Enjoy the ride. Get home charging. You'll be fine. The reviewers are all taking a massive dump on Toyota/Lexus/Subaru EV, but they are fine for the vast majority of normal drivers not worried about a spec sheet battle. The Lexus is a much more premium vehicle than 99% of EVs out right now. Enjoy it!
I've also committed recently, gets delivered next week. Committed on. 3 year lease, very cheap in comparison to some of its competitors. We never do any trips longer than 100 miles roundtrip, mostly just small town runs. We also got a home charger being fitted. I think we will be fine and will have a great time, good luck!
I seriously had doubts . I got really confused and scared about this car and in general going electric . The range , the winter times etc etc. So I have cancelled the order and now I’m
Looking to change over to a normal petrol/hybrid car . Don’t know what to go for. I know I’m now not going to find that premium car I wanted as the RZ lease deal was fantastic. But I did not anticipate that my insurance would be going up by £80 per month also to get the home charger was going to cost me £35 a month as could not Afford to pay in lump sum for one. But then again I would have saved £120 in petrol . I don’t know what Im doing . The Lexus is still there the if I still want it they said.
@@YepYep74 The RX 450h PHEV is pretty great, or the NX if you want something a bit smaller and more affordable
Toyota gotta show us the determination. I am highly expecting the true ev platform in 2027
Hopefully, they need an offering in that space sooner rather than later
really love this video. I would consider this car if it's priced at 2/3 of current RRP.
Thanks so much. Give it a few more months and it will be, haha!
Looked at one on Friday , I questioned the range and the dealer told me that Lexus has a 30 day loaner program at no charge for owners of this car for road trip vacations. I'm buying an electric car and you will loan me a ICE car for trips what the Hell!
Yeah, it's weird and not great timing with the cooling EV market. There's a ton of things to like about it, but the price, range, and recharge speed make the Lexus RZ 450e a non starter
The "genius" engineers and marketing of Lexus did glass roof. It's tinted, but good luck driving it ar very hot weather. I did a test drive at a sunny, hot day 90+F, my family was at the back. All of us were frying 😅. The AC was barely producing slightly cool air. When I asked the sales person about the roof, he said that for the dimming feature you have to buy premium trim 😂. Nice marketing of Lexus. On the bright side: the handling, performance and suspension were good (to my taste)
this suv isnt made for larger drivers, i tried to sit in one at the philadelphia car show in 2023 and couldnt fit in it and then the 196 mile range isnt enough for me for 67k like i said i love this ev but i,ll be looking at another ev suv
There's a lot to like about it that another 50+ miles of range would really solve
Well, I own one. And I Have owned an Audi e-thron and a Mercedes eqc before. There is a GREAT difference between driving a car like this for a week and owning one. For some strange reson, the Lexus seems 10 TIMES better when it comes to 1) comfort 2) styling 3) practicality and 4) range. It just is som much better in all those aspects than its competitors. Just saying. And have have driven these cars for years...
GO LEXUS!!!!
I wouldn't disagree with that. The Mercedes and Audi EVs are very average EVs (even if they're pretty nice vehicles). The Lexus is very competitive on the "nice car" front but equally uncompetitive as an EV.
I hope so I want one
And - another thing. The charging is MUCH more depending on the CHARGER than the car. You should know tis.....
That's actually completely false. The car's onboard power inverter is the biggest factor in charge rate, which is why some EVs with similarly sized batteries charge at very different rates. On top of that, manufacturers throttle charge rate through software and programming to protect battery life, and some choose to reduce charge rate as the battery approaches 100% more aggressively. While chargers can vary in how much power they dispense, especially Electrify America, different cars on the SAME charger would charge at very different rates.
The focus on range, ridiculous! If you want more range choose the RZ300E.
Some consider range to be kind of an important issue when it comes to EVs
Buying… non awd ev is a mistake. Gas car fwd and awd kinda no big difference. In ev? Dang different
Fast charging to 100% is not ideal to do in any EV because of the charging curve. You charge to 80% bc that’s the quickest and get going. You should learn about charging curves on EVs
Thank you, charging sensei. I'm so glad we have you in the world to explain these things.
this suv need to be re done
Next gen should be better
yeah.... this is why I abandoned Lexus (for now) after 15 years. Wanted to go electric but clearly, Toyota didn't. Until next time (let's hope!)!
There won’t be a next time. Toyota is done as a brand. They’re the new blackberry and soon fisker
Totally fair. And in some ways they've been proven right as the EV market has cooled, but... To release something that feels non competitive right out the gate seems like a mistake that can only work against brand.
@RF-it7uvthank you for this. Glad you're enjoying it. Will sure have another look next time I switch!
That’s the case for just about every Lexus and Toyota on the market 😂
Overrated with too many compromises and too steep of a price tag for poor quality and poor value
Man, you REALLY don't like Toyota and Lexus 😂
@@jax1079 REALLY don’t?😂
ahem. The 8th gen Camry and Lc500 would love to talk to you…
@@naveenthemachine Fair
@@jax1079 everything else Toyota or Lexus make are nowhere near as competitive as the better executed competition
I am over 80 years old and been driving Toyota since 1986, Lexus since 2013...what you claim is just poppycock...no offense intended!
shitty review, or whatever
I'll take whatever