Sitting Down With Lake Speed Jr. - The Truth About Oil Change Intervals and Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Dave, Miles and Joey interview Lake Speed Jr to analyze the best way to build, break in, and maintain engines for the best performance. Check out Lake Speer Jr’s oil analysis here - www.speediagno...
Thanks for letting me visit. It was great seeing the shop and talking about engines and my favorite topics - piston rings and motor oil!
@themotoroilgeek I was a fan of your Dad in racing. He was the king of doing a lot with so little. He also raised a great son. I was and Automotive tech for over 50 years and a race fan and a short track racing engine builder for most of that time. I love listening to people who know their job and back it up with test results and technical skill. You seem to be so passionate and not just a career. Not many of people like you around any longer. You also always seem to be happy with your life. That is a bonus!
I believe that you were at Gibbs when Toyota started in Nascar. The Camshaft failures they had seem to have had was a huge problem and it appeared that the Driven motor oils seem to have helped. That says a lot.
Thank goodness we have roller lifters in NASCAR now. Keep up the passion and intelligence as it makes you a rare person these days.
Thanks for going out to Utah and meeting with Dave and the crew while you were there. And Lake you do a great job making tribology easy for us to understand and all of the Information gained from Science Sir. I'm scared thinking about getting my 2005 6.0l back on the road, it has been sitting for 11 months due to me having a fall. But I need to get going again.
With the cost of new cars and maintenance through the life of the vehicle, the cost of maintenance and oil changes is diddly squat compared to having a new engine built. Same thing applies to transmissions and brake systems. Maintenance and fluid changes are going to save you money hands down in the long run.
In the 2 years since I bought my brand new Toyota, I’ve done 4 oil changes in 8,500 miles because of the conditions I drive in. Short trips 6 days a week. If you pull the dipstick out and the oil is dark, it will be solid black when you pull the drain plug out. I don’t let my vehicles get to that point, so I will assume that I can get 300k miles on the original engine. ????
YT must be suppressing your channel because I’m all about your subject matter and you’ve never popped up on my home page. Thanks for the great video
"There are no secrets, there's just stuff I don't know."
That is the million dollar quote. Never lose your curiosity, be a life long learner; regardless of whether you dig ditches or launch space craft, stay curious and teachable.
We are naturally curious. As young kids, we ask all kinds of questions. Never discourage a curious kid from asking questions. Never tell a kid you ask too many questions.
I will used this a quote
Thanks and God bless you
There are plenty of secrets they try to keep you from learning.
A-men bro!
@@waitaminute-vw9hf ^this
Who the hell ever thought I could sit through an oil video and be entertained by the subject. Thanks Geek.
Same!!
Anytime I see Lake Speed Jr in a video I click play, added bonus when it’s on Dave’s channel, you know it’s gonna be full of great information!! Thank you guys!!
I love how humble these guys are.. They can admit when they don't know something... intelligent
I am willing to bet that's how they got these positions!
I appreciate you put yourself on camera and said "this is what I do, tell me if it's right or wrong, and why". And there were honestly a thing or two he asked you to adjust.
Some places would never let that see the light of day. However, it makes me respect your work more! If my engine builder isn't learning, their product isn't getting better
Well said!!
Yep. totally agree ! it's cool 😎 to see Them Learning too ! & then Putting that knowledge to the test to see if it actually pans out in the real world. Us Being the Flys on the Wall is incredible !
It’s a shame the manufacturers have stopped learning. Internal timing belts for example.
Thankfully the boomer mentality of "I already know everything" is fading out.
@@maxnovakovics2568 How about your mentality of lumping people into groups of perceived behaviors instead of thinking of people as individuals? Can that fade out too?
At 26.47 begins the most important (and infuriating) piece of vehicle information I have heard in at least a year. Thank you! What an awesome video.
agreed. I could feel my blood pressure rise just listening! Amazing video in every way.
As a retired cotton topped tech and shop owner since I was 10 years old you never quit learning in automotive. Fascinating stuff. We also had at our disposal a lubrication specialist of many years. We could call Dave and he rarely needed to consult a computer. He had a memory beyond belief and a passion similar to Lake's. He retired about two years ago as I did which is too bad for our industry. Love automotive RUclips shows of which your on top. Tanning in Tucson.
I have picked up odds and ends of this conversation over the years working on diesels and this puts it all together very well
Dave is one of the very few that you can actually trust. Love what you do and bring real life issues to our attention
I can listen to Lake anytime. Very smart man!!!
...the Albert Einstein of oil...
I was a auto technician for 38 years and agree most engine failures and problems are due to lack of maintenance. Great talk by the way. Excellent
Absolutely yes. If all drivers/ customers would check their oil when they fuel up, we would sell more than half as many engines. What happened to the days of "full service" gas stations? They did this job for you.
"Full service" was too good to last , I still try to inform about it.
I was chastising a smart ass⚗ usician w/no oil showing on his dipstick!
" ..do you know what this means?" , I said.
He said, "yeah, it means I need a longer dipstick!"
@@aaronsmith5433 LOL!
Even a shitass fiat/chrysler?
Audi & BMW with their electrical problems and oil leaks?
Modern GM plastic rear main seals?
@@Soldier1287 You forgot no quality control fords...
I swear i could listen to these guys all day. Most engineers built some pretty cool stuff but never got their hands dirty. These guys know their stuff
and you don't have Tinnitus? 🤔
Really good engineers do get our hands dirty, and the techs respect us because of it, just like we respect them.
Smart engineer is a lifelong teacher and a learner, always teaching the principles behind machine manufacturing and design, and learning about service and reliability from the techs
I'm looking up to Dave like a legend...and now this is his inspiration or role model. Somebody that a guy like him looks up to....wow.
Incredible conveyance of critical information for all men wanting to know parameters of engine maintenance and science. Much Respect.
Lubrication specialist + Dave and his boys = Amazing content!
Great collab! you all could lay information on us for hours! Wish we could get some more!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks!
The insatiable hunger for knowledge is what makes/keeps these guys great. No ego, no shortcuts, just seeking the best way to construct a product. Awesome job.
Are you for real? The amount of ego stroking they were doing to each other took up so much of the video I gave up trying to find the part about motor oil.
@@ebaziukbecause it’s a real interaction they’re not really trying to play it up for the camera it’s just coming along
@@lamp7746 In editing they chose to leave that part in. They want the public to see this time wasting circle of jerks.
@@ebaziukis it fair to say your not a subscriber? I’m guessing it’s fair to say you’re a cliff note kinda guy vs a full documentary kinda guy! Nothing wrong with being a cliff note guy, just recognize the content ur watching b4 bashing them ! They were doing nothing more than a question and answer. Dave clearly had two or three ahah moments in this video where he realized they were doing something wrong, if he was trying to puff his chest out and inflate his ego he would have edited those moments out!
@@kenwillis8487 Right I'm not a subscriber I did a search for something and the headline advertised to answer that question... It felt like a bait and switch, I ran out of patience and time before they got past the circle jerk.
What an education! Thank you for taking the time and effort to video Lake's visit to your shop. Lake's knowledge is extremely important to getting better service out of our vehicles.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I used oil analysis when I was an owner operator. The condition of the oil tells you so much about the condition of your engine. I never experienced a single catastrophic failure in millions and millions of miles of operation. Your oil tells you what is wrong well before any kind of failure and you can get it scheduled for repair in plenty of time. We used 1 micron oil filtration and sampled every 15000 miles on our MBE4000s and made engines everyone told me would die around 850,000 miles all run 1.5-2 million miles before rebuilding. We bought them around 550-600k miles and ran them as team trucks. Most reliable trucks I ever owned.
What kind of oil filter did you use? Even Cat filters only go to 2 microns.
Yep, I worked on aircraft for years and you run UOA on everything from engines to gearboxes and hydraulic systems. On my own car I send a sample every 5th oil change, which is around 20k miles as I like 4k intervals the best out of all the duration I tried (best balance between oil life vs the cost for my driving). For the $35 is costs to have tested, its way cheaper than letting a bearing spin or something like that.
@@arc00ta The CFM-56 engine that powers the KC-135R and commercial aircraft has an average time on the wing of 30,000 hours before a shop visit due to world-class bearings and strict UOA schedules.
I just got hooked up with a 4 pack oil test kit from Amsoil for like $120. They contract out the oil analysis to Polaris and write up a customer report too. This way I know what to expect. My truck runs 80WHP/100WTQ over stock at higher boost pressures. To keep it solid for the long run you got to put in the extra work. Plus, selling it later for top dollar goes I long way with receipts.
@@cdsmit27 Cat engineer at the filter plant told me that less than 2 microns starts to strip additives out of the oil, but this O/O seems to have made it work…
20:45 During my US Army service ('92-'02) we routinely parked our M998 High-Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle [HMMWV] “humvees" under camouflage netting and LEFT THEM IDLING for WEEKS (running radio racks). I was shocked at this until I learned about AOAP-the Army Oil Analysis Program. Test tubes were regularly sampled and sent to the Army labs that performed spectrometric and ferrographic analysis. Fascinating. Once at a National Guard moto pool we unintentionally left a dump truck running when we locked the gates and went home for the month. FOUR WEEKS LATER we opened the gates and it was still running; hard use indeed!
that is where all this darn global warming came from... thanks lol
Dont be an idiot
A vehicle has enough fuel to run for 4 weeks unattended?
@@hugolafhugolaf10-Ton dump truck has a 75 gallon tank so perhaps. It’s not 25 gallons like the HMMWV.
Also the miltary cars/trucks don't have all the EPA junk on them, makes a big difference
I started watching your channel 2 or 3 months ago i have learned a lot and I'm sure many others have to. I just want to say thank you very much You all are 100 percent professional God Bless you all
Awesome! Thank you!
If you told me this video was 10$ to watch I would have paid it with my eyes closed! So much useful informations!!! Thanks guys!
🤫 don’t give them any ideas
@@justincloward3362 There was nearly a total of 100 years of experience and knowledge in that video. It's worth something.
Yeah literally priceless information sharing here! 👍🏻👌🏻💰💵
calm down
Paying is much easier with your eyes open. Keeps you from entering the wrong amount.
Lake Speed Jr has so much knowledge that I gladly watch anything he has to say
💯
He sucks
@@El_Peto
Too hard for you
Facts
and one of the few people that pronounces Porsche correctly.
I watched the whole thing and my brain never hurt. Am I a automotive nerd? Awesome video.
To listen to your team with Lake is an education, interesting and informative, which obviously leads to the most important thing OILS, benefits like gapless rings, golfball pistons etc are brilliant developments for ICE, but the oil is the main thing ,Lake is not only passionate but correct .
Lake is the man loved watching his dad race back in the day !
Lake's sr. awesome man, I raced karts with him in the 70s. Mark Dismore, Gary Hartman, Rudd . D Grenier. Lake sr. allways a kind person .
Bringing Dave and Lake together is a dream come true. I had to re run this show a couple of times to let it sink in ( 66 year old retired railroad engineer ). Here in Australia I run BP premium 98 and diesel. Regular oil changes and filters. Yes I drive my vehicles
was a very good education and discussion!
by the way, did you run those insane freight trains across the country? i just saw a video about those.
@@TonyLasagna Yes Tony. Freight, Passenger and last 10 years hauling iron ore. EMD GE and even old Alcos. What an era.
@@brucekellett2269 awesome bruce! that’s what i was watching - the ore trains going to the port and it emptying onto the ship. also the savannah lander passenger train. man, i’d kill to hear your stories!
@@brucekellett2269 Bruce, is being a locomotive Engineer a stressful job? 🤔
I work with a guy that used to be an Engineer, now he's running production machinery.
Just attempting to understand why he's not an Engineer anymore.
Would valve your opinion.
Have you watched, "The Ghan" on SBS?
Expires in 1 month. Comment recorded 24/4/2024.
I'd be surprised if you can't see it on RUclips somewhere after then.
It follows the 17 hour train trip from Adelaide to Darwin. There's 6 episode of about 3 hours each.
Even if you're not that interested in trains, it's an interesting, while being a relaxing watch...the clickity clack of the train on the rails can make your eye lids heavy.
I think there's a similar one on the Indian Pacific, the 65 hour trip from Sydney to Perth. I don't think it's as intense in recording every minute of the trip, that the Ghan doco does.
This was hands down, one of the best videos I have ever seen on RUclips
I was reading about a Peterbilt with a series 60 Detroit 425 HP engine. Almost zero engine wear at one million miles and only one oil change. Im a little familiar with this truck. It used Shell Rotella 15 W 40 conventional oil and a Gulf Coast O2 bypass filter. A mechanic didnt get the word to not dispose of the oil. Its misleading to say only 1 oil change in a million miles. The Gulf Coast bypass filter holds 3 gallons of oil. Thats 3 gallons of new Rotella every 10 K miles. Then you have the full flow filters changed every 50 K miles. Road King magazine article said that is equal to a full oil change every 40 K miles. I dont drain the oil in my 06 Pontiac but every 6 K miles I change the Australian Jackmaster Classic and add a new quart of synthetic oil. I drive mostly highway. I started in 1963 with a Frantz oil cleaner and Standard Delo 30W. In those days we changed the bypass filters more often and added more new makeup oil.
Dave, That was an absolutely amazing round table discussion you had with Mr. Lake Speed! I'll probably watch this again to make sure I fully understand the plethora of knowledge bestowed on me just know.
I am from UK and have been aware that since before WW11 US machine tools are in a different class. Ie Packards superb production of the RR Merlin. I really enjoyed the discussions and although I could not follow it all, it was very informative and surprise surprise changing oil regularly IS beneficial to the engine. The only thing I would add to the discussion is if you have a classic car which will spend the winter in the garage change the oil before laying it up. I admire the quality of your engineering.
It's amazing that Dave is so passionate about automotive maintenance & repair. Hope his boys keeps churning out more like grandpa!
Absolutely fascinating interview, a great insight into the make up and differences in oils, and there purpose. Thank you Dave and the Crew.
Our pleasure!
Ugh I LOVE videos like this. Sharing the knowledge that 99.9% of people don't know and a very small percentage of us CRAVE! I just need definitive sources like this I can point people to when they question what I say about oil. Really awesome conversation and lessons. Thank you!
What a GREAT video! I have 2 associate degrees in Auto Tech and 27yrs as a line mechanic, now retired. I learned so much from this. This video should be required viewing for all line techs and motor heads!! Thank you DAC.
40 plus years a mech and this video was mesmerising!
52 years and still at it. I know what works as far as oil changes, the type of oil I use and the importance of maintenance.
I also educate my customers..or what you learn dies with you.
Great video! As a fleet manager now oil representative i found this really rewarding. many of Lakes positions on lubricants I am in total agreement with and have been practicing for years. It is refreshing to hear it from someone beside me! I have seen Lakes videos before and this one was especially rewarding because he wasn't pitching a particular brand as much he was discussing the industry issues . I really like your channel Dave i ran my own shop and had many similar thoughts. Its unfortunate that until recently the homogenization of ground transport didn't encourage much thought
Thanks!
Oil analysis is something I learned about in Army Aviation over 25 years ago. All the numerous gear boxes, transmission and engine oils were sampled and sent off to the lab. Now I have engine oil analyzed annually and the transmission fluid checked every two years. It costs, but I want to know of problems early to either fix or trade before it gets to expensive. Too bad it's not offered by the dealers when you purchase their extended warranty.
That’s a service feature I’d pay for.
Absolutely, 100%, Bill. Think of an analysis as being akin to a FBC/CBC Blood test assessing YOUR health. It's as close to a window of what's going on inside as one can possibly get.
Like trade the vehicle and pass the problem to someone else? lol nice!
if you dont watch total seals channel missing out on so much info. love how he touched on fuel being being the #1 killer for oil. Whenever Lake Speed talks, just know its going to be 💎💎
Thanks!
@themotoroilgeek Lake is like the E.F. Hutton of lubricants.
Agreed 💯
I didn’t know I needed to know this much about engine oil. I am glad to have some of this knowledge
I have no idea how this channel was recommended to me, but I'm a big car and sport bike gearhead but I don't know engines very well. This channel is great because Dave doesn't cuss, he's always presentable and a great teacher, and those are qualities I hold in high regard. I'm a software developer and my job is very technical so listening to the very specific things about Parts in the engine is really cool to listen to.
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing. I always change my oil 3 to 5k intervals. Interestingly that's when the GM computer on multiple LS motors also believes it should be. If you want to drive to 300k miles and beyond on your original engine, then change the oil!
07 5.3l 4,000 miles interval, is where is at.
I’m shocked how much time and money people spend trying to figure out how NOT to change their oil. Nobody has ever said, “dammit, I did too many oil changes on this car”.
300,000 on my 5.7 Hemi ram.
250,000 on 4.2 Ford F150
@@bobd9868 like I get its messy sometimes when windy and a pain, but.....30-40 bucks for even top end oil/filters is cheap compared to another car..
@@bobd9868 lol that’s so true! I’ve changed my oil more often than I’ve washed my car lately which is a bit weird but it doesn’t cause me grief.
I did oil analysis all the time on my Freightliner. One time it picked up a lot of potassium which they use as road salt around here.
After looking around I discovered the shop left a turbo intake clamp loose, so it was sucking in road spray.
Without oil analysis I would have went all winter without knowing, leading to the engine getting dusted and worn out.
I add a banana to my crankcase oil for potassium
How do you go about getting an oil analysis? Mail a sample of used oil to a lab?
@@WillE454 I used the local Caterpillar Heavy Equipment dealer. Cat has their own lab. They sell prepaid sample bottles, fill it up, fill out the form. Then dropped off at the dealer. The lab emailed the results within four days.
@@WillE454 see the link in the description for oil kit
We need a 4 - 5 - 6 hour long special with all you guys.
@Alex-nb6rm Alright, then don't watch or listen. Since you clearly don't care about education or the right to repair.
Let the rest of us who want to learn, learn.
Correct
@Alex-nb6rm THEN DON'T WATCH IT!
@@kelvinelrick807he's a troll! You'll see him in other comments.
Don't feed him! LoL 🤣😆
@@dans_Learning_Curve Yeah, I wasn't planning to respond to him any more.
If they don't change after 2 responses they're a waste of time.
THANKS DAVE!!! Im now changing my oil at 40% life on my new silverado 3500.
Outstanding episode! Smart men listen to other smart men and guess what happens, we all benefit. What a great collab.
Appreciate the comment! That's the great thing about this community, we all come here to learn together👍
Question.
Why don't you vent the crankcase to atmospheric pressure? For instance, by loosening the oil cap or pulling the dip stick out a bit so it doesn't seal?
Less pressure on backside of cylinder, less crap through EGR.
@@lawrenceralph7481some people do have crankcase breathers that vent to the atmosphere (even tho they’re technically illegal). I used to have an oil catch can on my Camaro that condensed the oil vapors prior to the intake manifold but the valves still got coked up
It's a EPA thing. Bad for the environment. Starting in the late 60's. Regulation.
@@lawrenceralph7481 I do that after ever landing in my airplane. I pull the dipstick out and let the hot moisture escape. The camshaft is at the top of the engine so the oil drains off leaving the camshaft bare and exposed to rust. Also add expensive Camguard at every oil change.
Thank you so much Dave for letting us watch these videos at 75 years old I have not stopped learning from the old school to the new school in Moore new school I still love to learn so keep up the great work I am an old Motorhead Gearhead dude from the past still looking into the future I really am thankful for what you're doing and I appreciate this guest that you have on this part of your interview so much to learn and there's even much more coming down the road thank you again for so much of what you do and what you offer may God continue to bless you and your family always. Amen
Same to you👍
As a DYI mechanic, I just learned a ton and it has changed my PM schedules on all 3 vehicles right now including a 2012 civic with 225k. Thanks Dave!
From what to what?
That is awesome!
@@simonshurety3870 I'm curious as well, I'm still doing mine every 5k
Have 170 on my '12 Civic, had 400 on my 07 Civic before a deer and then rust killed it. All I did was never miss an oil change. I got 380 out of the 07 Civic and it still got 43mpg if I chose to hypermile. Both have only seen Pen oil with natural gas base.
My '98 civic wih 380k kilometers has seen all types of oil. It has been eating 0.7L of oil / 1000km for the last 150k km. It doesn't get better nor worse. The oil has always been changed at 8 to 12k interval. I guess the oil consumption is now stable at 0.7L/1000km just because with such a high consumption it always run on almost fresh oil (due to frequent adding). 😂
wow. Love the informational content, this is filled with lots of technique, science, and experience. 100% would love more of this type of content.
Thank you Government!!
All the Government's help wears out our engines.
I worked in Oilfield Service back in the 70-80's. ALL engines truck, pump, &,Frac, Oil samples were sent in and oil changes were based on the analysis.
Think about it, a Mack truck had 60 quarts of oil (15 gallons). We saved engine wear & money.
Thank you for the video
So much humility and respect between these guys, it's awesome!
This was an absolute GEM 💎 of a video !!
Thanks everyone who participated in making this 👍
Appreciate you guys taking the time to sit down and record the session. Great insight to the nuts and bolts of what matters to keeping an engine going for the long run. Keep up the awesome content!
You bet!
Hi from Oamaru New Zealand.
I'm using Amsoil grade 5w-40 Signature series diesel engine oil in my Spanish built 2012 Nissan Navara D40 Diesel. Engine is a Renault - Nissan partnership engine.
I'm running this àt 25.000 mile drain intervals with a oil analysis done by Caterpillar dealer test facility.
Excellent video. The subject of low viscosity oils for late model engines was briefly touched on here, but hopefully y’all can get this guy back for another conversation in regard to true efficacy of these oils in regard to vehicle owners’ goals of actually keeping the engines running long term, without a wear related failure. Thanks for your time, and consideration. Liked, and newly subbed. 👍
I feel so priviledged to have been able to listen to this information for free
I feel like I got about 2 college Courses worth of Useful Information. for free!
You can tell Lake REALLY understands the Physics... When asked about "Ring Flutter" with the Gapless Second Ring... NO hesitation... "Not an issue, since there is always Positive pressure " ( in the supercharged Diesels )
I wish I could hit the like button multiple times. I always learn something from both of you but I also get confirmation on things I have been preaching for years. Thanks
You rock!
Retired mechanic...outstanding job making such a comfortable relaxed and informative video. One of my favorite videos I’ve seen . Damn fun watching
For a decade in the Navy I was always having to deal with PMS, Planed Maintenance System. Engineers and technicians worked together to determine the best products and and servicing intervals to keep our systems at 100% mission operational. If it called for a certain amount of chrome molly to be mixed with a certain grease in a certain way, we knew it was based on a lot of data and we were certainly going to do as prescribed. We do not want a missile hang fire, a 5" gun jam, a locked rudder or a seized prop shaft. I hope our lubricants are made in the USA!
I Run, a hotshot business I have a 2020 f550 I Run hot shot fuel additive every fill up change my oil every 10,000 miles or close to it and fuel filters every 20,000 miles I have 207,000 miles on this engine and the engine light has never came on and I run it hard constantly doing 2000 rpm and I hardly ever let it idle. I just got the 2024 and im going to try to do the same I just found your channel and I really like it. I like the fuel guy to. keep up the good videos and maybe I’ll have you rebuild an engine one day
Lake is really cool he definitely knows what's going on. Excellent show you guys have it, that's for sure. We'll deserved.
Thanks!
Another super video.
I enjoyed how it was filmed like we the viewers were included in an informal, but great informative discussion. I hope Lake comes by again.
We would love to have him at our shop again! What a wealth of wisdom he is. Thanks for watching.
This is one of the most informative videos I've watched in a long, long time. It was 30 minutes well spent nerding out on oil.
My 2010 Toyota RAV4 2.5L needed the timing chain and camshaft phasers replaced at 212k miles. I knew the intake phaser would eventually need replaced when we bought it used 1 owner at 146k, the price reflected that. What I didn't expect was the chain being the component that failed. It had a cam/crank correlation code, the chain stretched. When I took the valve cover off there was coked oil sludge everywhere. We did oil changes on time every time with full synthetic oil for the entirety of our ownership. I suspect that the previous original owner didn't. I've seen inside of many of these engines using the same oil I used, with the same 5k OCI and they have very little varnish staining. The valve cover has an oiler tube that was blocked in many places, one of those places happened to be the end that oils the chain. The chain had gotten heated to the point that I could barely discern where the timing mark links were. I replaced all of the timing components and cleaned everything that I could. And I started using Royal Purple 0w20. The first oil change was a quick flush after 30 miles and the oil came out black, the second oil change was 200 miles later and it came out dark, the next oil change was 5k later and it came out looking much cleaner, the last 5k oil change before I traded it in the oil looked beautiful. We avoided total disaster and that engine has another 100k in it. I like that little engine and we replaced that car with a 2018 which uses the same engine.
Moral of the story, CHANGE YOUR DAMN OIL ON TIME, and use a good quality oil of the appropriate type according to your manufacturers requirements. In my case I could have replaced only the intake cam phaser at a cost of $400 and a couple of hours if proper maintenance had been done. Instead it cost me nearly $1,300 and took 3 days to do in the driveway, in Pennsylvania, in February, both are parts only diy.
I do cold start calibration for a living, after tests we routinely heat the sump (pan) to 180F minimum. I think you’d be surprised how hot oil actually gets in the pan.
In Arizona you can easily see 210F+ temps in the pan.
Lake Speed Jr & Sr are both awesome
4:36 my face and Myles face currently looking the same
Thanks!
Ditto that !!!!
This is the crossover we needed
My question is now, why does companies like amsoil recommend up 25k mile oil change intervals? Surely they have testing and data to back their claims, at least in certain scenarios?
Likely it’s pressure from the Climate lunatics in government
They recommend at those intervals because they have been formulated tested on real life scenarios. They also tell you to do oil testing to know and not predict if it’s safe to continue. The reason why amsoil are they’re on their own and not a labeling market along with others that have green environmental label. It’s because they’re not being controlled by main oil companies. There oil have more additives and much more protection compared to your local oil brands you find anywhere.
I’m a amsoil user and I can testify that running there oil and changing my oil at certain mileage and having it being tested. They tell me whether it’s safe or not. You also have to understand the science behind it too. I have 2016 GMC and many other vehicles that I bought new. I have always ran amsoil oil. Not a single engine failure and even my turbocharged vehicles have not experience a single piston failure or turbo.
Amsoil is snake oil
@@micksmith2929 Only someone who can’t afford it would say that.
I was taught by my old man 3k oil changes no matter what. But what’s he know he’s only been master mechanic and machinist 50 years…
To say this was a great video is an understatement. With everything that was discussed,what would be the extended life of engines that suffer from timing chain issues if oil and filter changes occured at 3000 miles instead of what a manufacturer or dealer recommends? Thanks for sharing and by all means,please continue.
have been watching Lake's oil videos for a while now.. and for him to visit dave's shop is GOLD..
This is one of the most Piston Head videos I’ve seen in quite a while. LOL! I love it! Thank you all.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Take notes folks. All I heard is real people here vs corporate America trying to take your money and play the system.
ive been to several of lakes seminars and I thinkk we even had him over at our shop C&D Machine in kirkland wa once
I performed oil analysis in a USAF laboratory for Jet Engines in fighter aircraft.
I measured wear metals and the life of the oil.
The oil was synthetic like in modern cars.
The oil never wore out.
That was so good to hear all that information, I change oil in my van and car every 5000 or sooner !! And always before going on long trips!! Love your channel❤
After over 35 years in the automotive service industry, with 10 years with Porsche and 25+ years in my own foreign car shop, I have lived by and preached that maintenance is the key to longevity. Mt automotive experiences and love came from my teenage years in the 60s when we built and dropped V8s into everything. Building hot rods, either for ourselves or others, is what kept us out of trouble. After that, I enlisted in the Navy and was designated an Engineman. That's where my diesel experience started. When I got out, Porsche was the only manufacturer that offered me a decent job. My career choice helped me become a millionaire. I'm "retired" now and this video was extremely interesting and memory-producing, thanks!
In regards to detergent fuels, Costco is one of the only places that carries Tier 1 detergent fuel.
Thanks for that Costco info.
Unfortunately, that statement simply isn't true. Here is a list of Top Tier gas stations...
Retailers include 76, Aloha Petroleum, Arco, Beacon, Breakaway, Cenex, Chevron, Citgo, Conoco, Costco, CountryMark, Diamond Shamrock, Express Mart, Exxon, Fast Fuel, GetGo, HFN, Harmons Fuel Stop, Hele, Holiday, Kwik Star, Kwik Trip, Marathon, Meijer, Metro Petro, Mobil, Ohana Fuels, Phillips 66, QT/Quik Trip, Reeders, Road Ranger, Rutter’s, Shamrock, Shell, Simonson, Sinclair, Sunoco, Texaco, Valero, Value America, Wow, and Win Win
As you can see, Top Tier includes: Mobil, Shell, Exxon Texaco, QT, Arco, Chevron, Citgo, Conoco Kwik Trip and Marathon along with Philips 66, Sinclair and Valero besides Costco.
You can check the current list on the Top Tier website.
@@wrangler6977The added beauty of Costco is that it's fresh! They move product.
@@stuckinmygarage6220 The product practically moves itself ;-)
If only our area had a Costco diesel 🇨🇦..
That was an amazing video, gentleman. Your humility is something to envy. I have a 2013 subaru outback 3.6r. With 185k on it. I've owned since it had 12k miles on. Almost new. I need a rebuild on the motor. I love my car, and since everything is so expensive for this veteran, I have decided to go through with the rebuild. Do you gentleman rebuild boxer motors? I would like to bring my car to you if you do. I live in NY but can drive to you and take a plane home while i wait.
This was the best video you have made so for Lake. Me being a ole auto machinist engine
builder as those guys I learned so much. mainly on the zinc less fiction more wear deal🤣.
Your dad was sharp, but I think you may have passed him at least in your felid. Do not tell him
that🙄. Keep up the great work you are doing.
I gotta drive for 2.5 hours to get my oil changed. Yes it’s difficult. And do I do it? Always less than 5000 miles. This is one of the greatest videos on RUclips.
You oughta learn to do it yourself. My dad who is not a mechanic taught me how at 8 yrs. old. Nothing to it and been doing it ever since albeit I myself am a mechanic now haha. Still no different now than it was nearly 30 yrs ago when my dad first taught me. Cheers
@@tylerwightman2315 I can change the oil on any car except for the newest cars. I drive a Ferrari and no way in hell I’m gonna change the oil in that thing.
@nyccontrabass3489 gotcha. I'm a mechanic and wouldn't want to change the oil on a Ferrari either 😅
I do alot of newer Mercedes, bmws, Porsches, and Audis and there's really nothing different to them than doing a 1989 buick regal haha. Sounds like you got yourself I sweet car!
@@tylerwightman2315 it’s a pain. Gotta take the engine out to change the serpentine belt and timing chain.
Very informative..! I will watch this video several times and take notes..! Thanks again...!
3,000 OCI were never the wrong thing to do
I’d love to see more in-depth discussion from Lake about how fuel additives helps prevent carbon on GDI engines and what he thinks of top tier gas
GREAT discussion!
Thank you!
Wow I am not worthy, had no idea how deep that went! Brilliant, my favorite oil is Castrol gtx,, no idea what's in it, it just works! Sunoco and shell have treated gas, maybe Mobil too! Guess I need to figure what's in the oil! OK just checked what's in the high mileage gtx, phosphorus! Lol had no idea none, now I know... it said that phosphorus is a cat killer, don't care I'd rather replace the cat than the motor! Great discussion I'm absolutely thoroughly impressed... I liked Joe Gibbs when he was at Washinton, great team and now I'm thinking he was really good at racing too! Lived in Maryland back then
I could watch this stuff all night.
WOW, That was a master class.
Now if you excuse me, I'm going to get my oil changed.
😂 thanks for making us laugh 👍
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100% Facts! I religiously change my conventional oil and filter on my 97 Lexus ES 300 every 3k miles. My engine now has 357,000 miles on it and runs superb, every had to open the engine or remove so much as the heads. Routine maintenance all around, if you take care of your car it will take care of you. Fascinating video and tutorial.
Guys like this are what makes America great.
I say that as a non-American.
The problem with oil analysts is that IT COSTS MONEY TOO! It’s ridiculous! I run Amsoil z-rod in my mustang, the 347 stroker. An oil change is right at a 100 bucks, 6 quarts + filter… 100 bucks. An oil analysis COSTS OVER 50 FREAKING DOLLARS! It’s half of an oil change! It’s just crazy! At that rate I might as well just do an oil change every 3k miles and call it good. Other than that it’s great info. Thx again for yet another great vid
curious about the gasoline variance in the country. So if I buy a top tier fuel in California and that same brand top tier fuel in another State the fuel is completely different? Are we talking Ethanol content or lack thereof? What makes the fuel "Different". Thank You for your time.
That was great. Oil is cheap engines are expensive is what I was taught. Bought my first brand new truck in 1987 just out of high school, Ford Bronco with 302, first oil change at 1000k, 3000k after that. sold 10 years later with 180k still ran like new and never touched engine other external components. All Toyotas now and change oil 3k first/new and then every 5k. Brother in law says his new Volvo only needs every 10k so cheaper maintenance. We'll see how long it lasts.
Sounds like Scotty Kilmer. Keep the good work up and long live your machines.
Man I've gotten myself humbled by watching this. Thank you for sharing your knowledge in such an understandable manner!
Dave and Lake! Two of my favorite people to listen to talk about engine stuff! Well done fellas!
I'm getting a little tired of following around behind this jacka$$ and trying to clean up all the misinformation he spouts. There is a saying out there that a little information is a dangerous thing, that applies so well to Junior. First of all, when it comes to zddp, the film that is developed onto internal engine parts from zddp additive will only develop to a certain thickness no matter how high the level of ddp is in the oil. Read that again and think about it. Once the maximum thickness is achieved any excess zddp in the oil only serves to replace the film as it wears due to contact between moving parts. A steady state condition is reached where zddp is worn off due to contact between parts and new tribal film is developed from the zddp additive remaining in the oil. The thickness of this film of decomposed zddp (the protective film that is developed occurs as zddp in the oil decomposes onto the metal surfaces due to heat from friction) does not increase based on the amount of zddp in the oil. There are factors that affect the thickness of the film, such as the chemistry of the zddp, or the temperature of the application, but not the amount of zddp in the oil. So when he says in this video something about higher levels of zddp causing corrosive wear because of the additional thickness of the film, it is a clear indicator that he doesn't know what he's talking about. And then there's the issue he keeps repeating about higher levels of detergent having a negative affect on the development of the tribal film, which again indicates his lack of knowledge. But let's get to the oil drain interval discussion, which is what attracted me to open up this video to watch due to the title. Extending drain intervals DOES NOT result in increased wear of engines, or shortened life of the engine, unless or until the degradation of the oil reaches a point where oxidation and/or nitration reaches a critical point, and/or the ability of the oil to neutralize acids in the oil is reduced due to depletion of basic additives, or the depletion of other additives results in conditions in the oil that will lead to aggressive degradation processes. So, yes you can run the oil too long and cause damage to the engine; but if using a high quality oil engineered to provide extended service intervals, you can easily exceed the OEM recommendations without causing accelerated wear or damage to the engine. As a Certified Lubrication Specialist for over 20 years I have been working with many, many heavy equipment & trucking companies to extend drain interval far beyond OEM recommendations, and engine service life has grown tremendously. 25 years ago engine oil drain intervals were pretty standard at 250 hours, or lets say 10,00 0 miles (it depends on average mph speed). Back then 10,000 hours (400,000 miles) was about the expected life time of an engine. Over the years we have slowly extended drain intervals out, which has been done along with changes to entire preventive maintenance programs, such as routine used oil analysis, as well as improvements in engine oil chemistry; but we are now out to 1000 hour intervals (equivalent to roughly 40,000 miles, again depending on average MPH) in some applications, yet engine life is out to 25,000 hours. And at that point when torn down the wear in the engines is minimal, they're mostly being torn down to repair leaks due to failed gaskets, seals and o-rings which have exceeded their life span and no longer able to keep the engines sealed up. Fleet Managers I work with are going to Caterpillar, Mack, Volvo and Cummins and telling them it's time to up their technology in regards to seals, gaskets and hardware so they can achieve maximum life out of their engines. The 3000 mile interval required for your warranty is ridiculous, completely unnecessary and just plain wrong.
Awesome, very informative discussion.
When I was in the army over thirty years ago, we had oil analysis intervals for our truck fleet for the company, it was part of the pmcs system,....preventative maintenance and check system.
We still do that in the army but due to cost considerations mainly only on big pacer items: tanks , howitzers, helicopters, armored vehicles etc.
I had a Porsche 911S that ran Great, if I ran the H out of it. Original owner, ran it daily on the Autobahn. This is the BEST engine oil video ever!
This guy needs to change his name to Bob. He’s the oil guy
150k on my x5 35d, use lucas fuel treatment and the liqui moly CERA TEC at 10k intervals. No issues at all. Use the lucas fuel additive in all my diesel tractors, bobcat, mower, boat and my dodge 2500 5.9 2006. Always seem much happier on the Lucas.
Great video, very informative! The use of oil analysis should be used to calculate oil life… obtain a base line for specific engine; not a firm 3000, 7000, 10000 miles. When diesels engines have high capacity 12-20 qts, changing early isn’t preventing damage and increasing costs & waste. Video basically reinforced the use of OA vs mileage.