I’ve said this once, twice & thrice- 🗣️CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT. This is the proof yall need right here & I knew somebody had some old clips saved. They BOTH need to be SUED!! I’ve been saying they knew what they were doing. And it was all about money from the very start. From the BGC courses & memberships, to the SSC “education”, to CIK, to the products they pushed & promoted which they get kickbacks for… clearly they were cleaning up and it’s just so messed up! Really it’s 🤬’d up and I hope yall get justice in every way possible.
There HAS to be some grounds for somebody to sue... Cuz this is a whole scam we ended up unveiling... I never would have thought that it would've went this far...
@@disneytoysr4fun975If you don't think this is ridiculous and took a lot of people's money and hair then you haven't been paying attention. That's some mess.
Wait, I’m actually disgusted. I am a stylist that invested thousands into the edu and I do plan to tell my story respectfully. I am just appalled that it was actually admitted with no accountability and I feel gaslit
I’m so glad I never followed the system. I had never heard of them until 2024 because of this channel. I’ve been natural 19 years and have always done what my hair needed. I’m so sorry this happened to you.
Shelly & Narad - thank you for keeping these receipts! While I’m sitting here with a silk press after cutting more of my ends off. I still have more hair to cut. This no leave in / no deep conditioning/ using gels directly to my hair - done jacked my hair up! This mess is so scandalous!
They made a lot of money scamming consumers and stylists that paid for their products/services. Unfortunately, I couldn’t control the damage that happened to my hair so had to shave it off and invest in a wig. Once again Shelly, thanks for highlighting the issues with BCG and CIK!
DEEP TREATMENT?????? i thought they said that wasnt necessary. Cut on blown out hair??? Nah these stylists think we forget????? I remember them in the earlier days.
Thank you Shelly V! Narada needs to be given his flowers. He continues to use his expertise, time and platform, to help us attain healthy hair, while calling BS, on the nonsense.
I think this is why I never took them serious because they were too dogmatic like their way was the only way I considered paying for their services but I just couldn't do it😩😩
It made me very angry. Charging 1000 for online courses. When we all know damn well that you need to see, feel and analyse how the hair behaves in person!
Do you remember early on when someone would ask a question how they’d speak down to and belittle whoever asked the question? Cause we were asking super valid questions and they didn’t want to answer us? They had the tagline of being “snarky”. I should have known then and there they didn’t know what they were talking about and that was just a way to hide that fact. I am furious.
It's the scam artistry for me. Thank the Lord for you, Narada, and the other honest, courageous, knowledgeable people who went out on a limb to out them.
I know right, never made sense to me either. As soon as I heard of it I thought who in the world would believe this...man am I surprised to see now what has happened. I guess as anything in life, think for yourself, keep moving forward and learn from the mistakes.
Only people who need to figure out and get the ball rolling is those 2. And the ball can begin to roll with a sincere apology to the 3 who had the voice and courage to stand up and SPEAK up, yall have already did the HEAVY LIFTING and figured out HOW to get UP & from UNDER their hair treachery. Thank you Shelly 💕 your energy is pure, wanting to help those 2 and their minions bounce back🤍
I WANT MY MONEY BACK! I live overseas and I was in their courses and the lives because there was nobody where I am that could help me with my curly hair styles. I’m so mad right now. My hair has suffered so much because I believed in these “professionals” instead of sticking with what I learned in RUclips UNIVERSITY!
Ugh, I am so sorry you went through that! 😩 They should be ashamed of themselves! Please help us spread the word overseas if possible because it’s giving SCAM!!! 😑
@ it was only one lady that I knew who tried the method with me but she got jerked around by the stylist she went to in North Carolina during her visits home and by that time you and Rosie started sharing your experiences so she was spared. I felt so bad because she spent some MONEY on those couple of visits and the stylists wasn’t consistent with the info she needed to keep a good regimen going. There is a stylists I went to in Vegas who travels to Europe to teach (she can do some hair!) I’ll let her know to look out for this when she goes out there next time. I’ll also have to get with her about coming here once my stylists now goes back to the states. Ooh the stylist I had before the one I’m with now was PISSED the first time we met and I told her about the method and showed her pics of my hair. I showed the stylist I have now and a color specialist my pics and yours they were APPALLED at the damage.
@ We gotta hold them accountable!!! It’s just awful what they’ve done to so many of us! Thank you for sharing our stories because people overseas need to know what’s going on too! ❤️🩹💯
@@shelly.v.247 you’re so very welcome and thank you for being brave and sticking to your guns when things got tough. It’s helped myself and my friend figure out what was going on with our hair. We did big chop again and were both working with a trichologist (who can do some hair) with getting our hair back on track.
Instead of acknowledging the issues, they simply change the rules, recently claiming that 'we are all learning together' and that 'we change course as we go along', but are too arrogant and unethical to explicitly admit their method can cause severe damage. They won't do that because their system is financially profitable. For every "specialist" who abandons the method, there are 10 more endorsing it. What I notice is that they don't explicitly mention they were trained by the "gurus", but you can tell because BGC is always commenting on their pages.
Watching them constantly change direction has been exhausting and angering. At this point, I really hope someone sues them because they've been lying and playing games and they knew it.
Aishia did a live the other day saying it’s just like apps, they need updates time to time. She will never come out and take accountability. She will just act like she changed her mind or she’s trying something new. She literally made videos making fun of women thinking they need leave-ins, oils, buttters, deep conductions, and wanting to see length. Funny, now she is all about stretched hair styling. I’m glad I had been natural long enough to know not to follow the BGC methods.
@@ArethaRenee they are targeting people new to natural hairstyling/curly/kinky styling. My British-Angolan black trichologists have 30 years experience. My Polynesian stylist has curly hair and 20 years experience with all hair types. They just laughed when I told them that there's a group of online stylists who are telling people on the internet with naturally dry hair not to use deep conditioner or leave ins. Heck even the white stylists know that you need a mask and a leave in if you have dry hair...even if your hair is straight! Paul Mitchell has been around since the 1970s and they still make leave-in and deep conditioning masks/moisture treatments but here come these 2 marketing for the last 5 years and they know everything...... Make it make sense cause this is some kinky afro hair math/myths.
It’s disgusting and deplorable!!! Aishia never blocked me from her personal account so she could spy on me. It’s clear that is exactly what has been happening because she literally implemented every remedy that we’ve disclosed. Anyone who continues to follow and support individuals who move with such a lack of integrity deserves whatever comes to them.
I just saying some might have been duped, don't hairstylists always take supplement classes after beauty school , BGC made it seem legit and also with more ppl asking for curly cuts the demand was there, so feels only natural hairstylists would seek out the education to service the demand. BGC gets the clients both ways.
WOW!!! The nerve!!! I have gotten a couple of curly cuts (only 2) but I never stopped using leave ins or deep conditioners. My go to shampoo and conditioners were from Miche Beauty. I did not follow their regimen. The only thing I started doing differently was using more water with my gels, which the gel I use instructs to do so anyway. I always follow the instructions on the packaging. I stopped going because it was more than I wanted to spend on a hair cut where I had to wash and style my hair beforehand. I learned how to blow dry and cut my own hair (every 3 months). I am so sorry for the damage and stress some people have gone through. Our hair is our glory. This had to be one of the most traumatizing things they ever had to go through. Looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen. 🤷🏽♀️
I knew they were gaslighting when a couple years ago the BGC page popped up on my Instagram explore. They were being mean and nasty to anyone that disagreed with them and I still feel that same ick I got back then🤢🚩
Your hair looks beautiful and healthy. My stylist did a deva cut on me. I'm not sure if that is the same thing, but I told her never again, please blow dry and then cut.
@@annaw1058Can you please help us share this video in the UK? BGC & CIK have started to focus their efforts overseas because people in the USA aren’t buying it anymore! ❤️🩹
I'm glad I never got around to visiting one of their "approved" stylist because I was, but I was just too cheap to pay those prices or buying their wash your hair book 😅😅
I went to a trichtologist when i was having problems with bald spots due to extreme stress and she was into no oils and butters. My third time seeing her she made an exclamation while treating my hair/scalp. When I asked her what was wrong, she said, "Your hair is dry! It shouldn't get this dry!" That was my last time going to her.
@@Zora87Peace I see British-Angolan trichologists. The more senior one has 30 years experience. They don't use raw pure oil or butters. HOWEVER, they prescribe daily leave ins and weekly deep conditioners with products that already have the right and low concentration of oils and butters formulated into them! I use water based scalp products instead of oil or butter based. I think the main issue with their method was not using products regularly which kept the dryness away and using products too regularly that create dryness. Stripping shampoos and gels create dryness. Wash ans go styling generally create dryness. There is a reason why our ancestors in Africa created confined styling instead of wearing the hair loose. Yes they used oils and butters but they lived with the natural environment. Swimming in rivers daily. Getting caught in tropical forest rain daily. Not living in polluted cities and towns with polluted water, polluted air and unhealthy food. Less modern stress.
I'm a hairstylist, and I stopped doing curly cuts on type 4 hair because I definitely noticed the shrinkage made it impossible to address all the ends that needed trimming. Even some 3c hair with strong shrinkage isn't suitable. I've seen a noticeable boost in length retention for my coily divas after doing this.
Sis, firstly your hair is growing so fast and looking gorgeous. Second, I’ve never had a curly cut bc I trust nobody with my hair. BUT my sister got one right after I told her not too. That stuff was crooked. She had to wear a half up half down until the top half grew back. Crazy work lol
Girl I’m with you on trusting nobody with your hair! 😂 I hope your sisters hair has fully recovered now. Thank you it’s been a long and rough journey but I’m thankful to be where I’m at now. ❤️🩹😘
I remember when I first heard of those curly cuts and how they said they addressed the split ends. I REMEMBER! I remained skeptical, but I knew that was b.s. First off, no curl/coil is the same on one head of hair. Some are tighter than others. Some are looser than others. One side can be looser than the other. It's all differs in one head. So to now hear and see this is crazy. I don't know if they still have their old podcast episodes up, but if you listen to a lot of those, they do reveal their plot was to get naturals back into the salon chair with this new method that put would put YT University to shame and charge folks $500 for it.
@melvinaJenkinsDavis Oh yeah. I remember those menu lists. I would have been in the same dry hair, breakage boat, had it not been for me living in a rural area. The nearest CIK stylist was about 3 hours away and with me being a new client and wanting color, my service would have been $500 or more starting out. Me being broke and distant from the nearest one kept me from following down that road.
When I first saw these cuts, I thought the shape was really cute. But then I watched the process, and I could clearly see they weren’t addressing all of the hair in those k1nky cuts. And Aishia was always talking about girls coming into her salon with baby crowns. And immediately I knew it was because whoever the previous stylist was to cut that particular client’s hair was shaping it like you would do someone who has type 3 curls and they want a rounded shape (shorter crown area creates a round shape on type 3 curls). But for type 4 girls (that rounded cut), it will just give you a mullet. That’s why for us it’s better to cut the hair stretched. And I’m sorry $500 for a haircut is insane. Especially when you can get a blowout and trim for much less (h3ll even a silk press, deep condition, and a trim). Now I do agree with them about not using raw coconut oil on your hair and instead use moisturizing hair products with coconut oil (and butters) in them because they are specifically formulated for your hair. But when I started seeing people with dry hair (and complaining about their ends), that’s when I knew it was a hustle. If I was to use no leave-in and only a mousse or humectant gel as my styler, my hair would be so dry.
@@CerebralSigma And see... What's also not taken into account with this routine is climate. I'm in Florida. I got away with just using mousse in my hair for a few weeks. But once winter came, that was done. Back to the butters and oils. Stressing that "simplified" routine be the end all and be all was trouble from the start.
Love how you stay sharing receipts!! 2018???? 😮 That video contradicts everything they promoted in SSC. I spent 2021-2022 following their methods & getting curly cuts and experienced the same damaged ends. Luckily I found a stylist that gave me a cut on blown out hair but I had so much difficulty with my curls from using their products that I decided to wear my hair pressed out. They should be held accountable for their cult-like environment and misleading so many people. Hopefully we can heal from this whole mess. Stay blessed!
@@shauna5968 It’s just awful what they’ve done to us! I really don’t know how they sleep at night! 😩 I’m so glad you were able to repair your hair. Enjoy wearing however you want. I love that tie you! 🥰
Shocked, but not surprised. 😔 I saw someone the other day go so far as to call the entire natural hair movement a cult. I wouldn't go that far, but this leg of it certainly was, and most cult leaders FOR SURE know that they are peddling a lie before they recruit their victims. It's just so disheartening. But yes, good on Narada for having such integrity!! 💯
I kind of view them as a cult because I just had to check one of their members on my IG post who was using a burner account. They do the most to protect each other and their leaders 🫣
The bizarre thing is, had they just incorporated stretched cuts in combination with curly cuts for shape, the controversy would be nowhere near as large now. Why did they go back on this? What did they have to gain by hiding this from their clients? It’s so odd. Other than that, their biggest mistake was straying too far from scientific consensus on hair. EVERYBODY’s hair needs oils and fats, regardless of texture and race. Hair oiling is deeply ingrained in Indian culture and their hair is type 1 to 2. They’re also notorious for having crazy long hair. Same with the Chad women using chebe. Crazy long hair despite leaving in a heavily oily/fatty product in there for days at a time. Even cheap drugstore hair products marketed towards white women have oils in them. The most interesting thing I realised when I was trying out the no oils/no butters method was, when I strayed out into general curly hair content aimed at other races with type 2 and 3 hair, guess what? They were all using curl creams and leave ins FILLED with oils and fats before they even let a gel touch their hair. All the while we were being brainwashed by these two to believe those of us with type 4 hair didn’t need it 😂 crazy stuff. They need to help accountable for a lot.
My sentiments exactly 💯. The proof is in the pudding Many other cultures and races have been getting great results forever (including our own), we just couldn't leave well enough alone. I could not get on board due to that observation alone.
@@sd8150 exactly - I know oil based products CAN impact hold in wet sets like wash and gos, but it’s not like others haven’t already found solutions to that. Isn’t Anthony Dickey’s line great for nourishing ingredients like oils while also giving good results with wash and gos? It’s really nothing new. At this point nothing about the SeeSomeCurls philosophy makes sense. And if it was all about making lots of money and scamming people then they fumbled that bag pretty quickly.
Wooooow! This turned out to be sooo much more than expected. Actually scamming! Not just being stubborn and not wanting to admit they're wrong...but straight up scamming b/c they knew the whole time! Daaaayum!
OMG same!! Same years, same time frame! And I had nothing but excessively dry hair and ZERO length retention to show for it. And I was trying so hard to grow my hair too. Talk about a big, fat waste of time...
Your hair is gorgeous. I'm so sorry that you went through all of this trauma. This is why I stay my evil old ass out of beauty shops. I've experienced too much lack of emotional intelligence and dishonesty. I don't need some hack experimenting on my hair. I followed the original intent of 30 day detox from 2015. They weren't originally spouting all that non sense about continuing no oils no butters after completing the 30 day detox. I went right back to using all of my old products. I gained a better knowledge of what really worked. I stopped following their channel when things started going sideways. I love Narada. He was down here in the trenches with us before he became a stylist. He keeps it real. I wish that I was closer to his shop.😪
You have me sooooo weak!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thank you so very much for the compliment 💖 Yeah they went completely off the rails with their tomfoolery!!!! 💯 Narada is my superhero ‼️‼️‼️
Thank you for this info! I followed BGC routine and curly cuts in 2022/2023. I stopped getting curly cuts after I noticed 1 side of my hair was twice as long as the other side. I also came across AfricanHairGod’s YT page and said I need to start getting blowout cuts. My hair is getting back to an even state. I’m so annoyed with how much money and time was spent. I’ve gone back to what works for me.
This is so disgusting!! They have constantly gaslit followers of their method that they didn't have damage that they have seen with their own eyes and felt. They are scammers in every way imaginable. People have wasted thousands on courses, products etc affiliated with their brands.
We all remembrer that video where they said they could see ALL of it in it's curly state. We did not understand the uneven ends. They even took the time to respond to Anthony Dickie about his curly cut video...SMH😑
And their worshippers are just like them blaming the ones who have asked for help saying they did too little or too much of something. Y'all keep bringing proof and they keep evading. Honestly this is how you put a stop to foolishness. By calling it out. Sorry y'all had to deal with this. ❤❤❤
I just had to check one over on my IG post of this video. She was using a burner account too and I knew exactly who she was. So I called her out! I know she feels some kind of way right about now too! 🤣 I even pinned the comment so ppl can fully see the tomfoolery we deal with!
Praying that the community comes together and heals. As those behind it face some type of justice. Thank you for being one of the voices continually fighting for the community Shelly💚💚
Well somebody done went digging around in the old content and found the smoking gun! I 👏🏾 love 👏🏾 that 👏🏾 for y’all 👏🏾 . Now Shelly since you’ve been soo consistent with getting this message out to the people why don’t you be the one to consult an attorney about the possibility of a lawsuit - individual or class action. Only fighters go this route. I’ve initiated and won my share of lawsuits for other reasons of course 😉 Now where I’m from the best way to tell someone something is to SHOW THEM! The stylists that took that CIK course were most definitely seeking additional education and techniques and unfortunately didn’t have the base knowledge on curly and coily hair AND ingredients like most stylists unfortunately to avoid the scam. Dickey said it perfectly “curly cuts are a gimmick” and that ain’t a lie. Godspeed!
I feel sorry for the stylists who spent a lot of money for the course. I was a hair model for their course (I had to pay too-so stupid) and those were regular everyday woman coming to get that training who didn’t look like they had hard earned money to waste.
Ugh that hurts my heart! 💔 I heard that they charged ppl to be models but wasn’t sure. So basically, they charged the stylist for the education by using the models who also had to pay! Dirty Work!!!! 💰💰💰
@@plee6223 Thank you so very much! 🥰I’ve just been getting it cut for health and not a shape so it’s a little wonky. Lol. But it’s paradise compared to where I was! 🫣
I have 👀4c👀 and yes, I could produce the wash n go style with lots of manipulation and lots of product and lots of drying time but i could see my hair didn't like it. I was waiting to see anyone with my texture showing serious length retention with this method. I'm still looking. For me, it was a version of maximum hydration method which also caused damage long-term.
They are going to make videos, passive aggressively, knocking what Shelly has said. That is their modus operandi. Remember: they are making a lot of money from these cuts and styling wash n gos.
What’s annoying is they could’ve exercised moderation by stressing the importance of cleaning but alternating between kinky and straight cuts. Also I think the lack of lubrication from light oiling or grease added to the problem along with starving our hair of hydration and moisture.
This! I didn't get too deep into the idea, but I took from it that if you used heavy oils/butters cleansing is SUPER important and for my fine hair the products with less oil/butter works well. But for protection/detangling/length retention, the oils and butters are necessary. My twist outs/fro with mousse only is significantly better than when I was doing them with heavy oil/butter based products
I had one curly cut in 2020 and it messed with my ocd. I was worried about the fact that some ofmy hair might be cut and have fresh ends, but not all of it. I never went back. Too ocd.
Oh my goodness. Yes, I have trichotillomania and could only have my hair cut once that way. I am thankful to have not completely gone down that road. I have not said much about my experience, but for me, it was the discolored ashy hair. I was sick when I noticed. Honestly, it was because of Shelly that I ditched the products and went back to my previous way of caring for my hair. I did have quite a bit cut off. I wear my hair short now and wear my hair both ways. But truth be told, I was sick when I saw that video. And I am mostly sick that I allowed myself to be fooled. I am one who has often said of others, 'how could they have been so stupid'. Now look at me.
Ahhhh, my stylist that was trained by them knew that and she told me; THE ONLY WAY TO SEE ALL THE SPLIT ENDS IS TO BLOW DRY AND FLAT IRON THE HAIR! I thought the 30 Day Detox was no RAW OILS/BUTTERS , ECCO Gel for 30 Days! The literature is posted on line from 2016! And my stylist NEVER stopped recommending deep treatments/conditioning IF IT WAS NEEDED! Like hair that has been colored! I am so sorry for your experience but we ALL were not duped!
That part about the stylists. A hot dayum mess. They had consumers who went to comestology school for the sole purpose of getting a license so they could become Cut It Kinky trained and ONLY service curlies/tight curlies and hopefully roll in the dough like their mentors who often spoke on how to monetize the business of curly hair. If have seen a few move away from those BCG/CIK practices but many stand 10 toes deep in it. Many have chanhed their practices but will not admit the real reason why. Some of the stylists have actually had to close their businesses for a while because the model is not sustainable, especially for a new stylist. I am so happy the stylist I did find on their directory did not ever fully subscribe to their practices, BUT even with that, I did. I think my own desire to wear my hair short "saved" me from an eventual necessary big chop and also paying attention to what was happening to Shelly, Rosie, and others, and Afrikan Hair God's commentary. Thanks again! Here's the lesson in short: GOTSTA BE MORE CAREFUL!
All so very true! Like Anita with Monarch Curls. Was new to hair and only became a cosmetologist after being a member inside of See Some Curls. She has injected herself as an authority about our hair and clearly knows very little. She just regurgitate what she learned in CIK & BGC. I don’t think she truly knows much about actual hair care for Afro textured hair. It’s a shame so many of us fell for it, but at least we know now. And yes, I agree we gotta be more careful!!!! 🙏🏽❤️🩹
Chileeeeee this is a mess. Just causally saying that curly cuts don’t address certain issues as if she wasn’t bashing and mocking anyone who said the exact same thing. I feel like I’m on another planet this blatant gaslighting is insane
I feel bad for the consumers but not the stylist. They knew better or should have. The entire debacle is indicative of cult like behavior and thought processes.
This is sickening, they LET this hair damage happen to so many people and swore up and down that they were “hair saviors” in a way- hair is not a one size fits all, . This is beyond evil. These women and their “program” need to be sued or something, and need their cosmetology licenses taken away…
How you are a whole licensed stylist, take a Cut it Kinky class, and think the method was sound? No leave-in on kinky hair? Only cutting the hair in its kinky state? Maybe they were all fresh out of beauty school.
Many were just learning about kinky hair. A lot of the stylist had not been licensed for a long time. I don’t fault them for relying on that education.
When I went to check out some of the stylists who were CIK trained, I saw a number of them actually did relaxed hair. The natural hair was new to them. So this was them getting natural hair training to get that clientele in their chair for $500 a pop.
Most were relatively new to either being a stylist or cosmetology and the ones who weren't new were new to natural hair and since a lot of hair schools skip over anything significant about coily/kinky/tightly curled hair, for some of them this was literally their only natural hair education.
I never got into this but have been following this hot mess through you, Narada, and Jenn. They are so dirty for that. After this video anyone who follows them is a fool. I'm sorry but based on the lack of integrity alone...smh. Your hair looks bomb by the way! So lush.
If I paid for their courses, membership, their Wash Your Damn Hair e-book, I would ABSOLUTELY be suing. They are so lucky I only followed their methodology loosely (and still obtained some damage) b/c I would be the one suing & making sure it’s a class action too.
May Karma be a LESSON over and OVER again until they BOTH experience METANOIA and apologize to You, AfrikanHairGod, & Rosie just as LOUDLY as they were disrespectful.
They owe you an apology too because you were victimized as well! Plus Silked By Sonnie lied about your hair! I loop her right up in there with Aishia & Aeleise and JC! They make me cringe! 🤮😑
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If anyone after seeing their ends as terrible as they looked. looking as if goat ate their ends saw this and still followed this trend, you have nobody to blame but yourself. These women hair looked terrible.
I have to say I'm very curious re the timing of this video...with all the controversy surrounding curly cuts and BGC, how is it that this video is just surfacing now??
Why am I not surprised. I guess people just had to find out for themselves. Just because people are loud and selling fake courses doesn’t make them right. Anyway, as I have always said “curly cuts” are not a real thing. Hope people finally get back to professional haircuts and professional training.
@@shelly.v.247 I understand why some stylist fell for the funk. We know our hair type has been neglected by the industry so it probably sounded like a dream come true for someone to be offering a course for our hair type. The thing is that our hair is still hair, and no hair type benefits more from precision cutting than ours. There are basic fundamentals that must always be followed. So a even if you take a professional cutting class you will learn the fundamentals, then you make appropriate adjustments on products based on the needs of the hair type (which ours is not going to be covered in class). The no oils or butters (and the hatred for grease smh) thing should have sounded like madness to everyone from the beginning.
Haha yes keep me on track Sis! I knew that word was off! Lol 😂 Hey teach me how you are able to timestamp your comment? How the heck do people do that? I feel like I’m showing my age right now 🙈🤣 Thank you Luv!❤️
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I’ve said this once, twice & thrice- 🗣️CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT. This is the proof yall need right here & I knew somebody had some old clips saved. They BOTH need to be SUED!! I’ve been saying they knew what they were doing. And it was all about money from the very start. From the BGC courses & memberships, to the SSC “education”, to CIK, to the products they pushed & promoted which they get kickbacks for… clearly they were cleaning up and it’s just so messed up! Really it’s 🤬’d up and I hope yall get justice in every way possible.
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There HAS to be some grounds for somebody to sue... Cuz this is a whole scam we ended up unveiling... I never would have thought that it would've went this far...
Ugh you always tryna instigate some mess.
@@disneytoysr4fun975If you don't think this is ridiculous and took a lot of people's money and hair then you haven't been paying attention. That's some mess.
A WHOLE SCAM!!!! I think people are really ready to go for it now‼️💯
@disneytoysr4fun975 He’s not instigating anything that everyone’s not already talking about
@@disneytoysr4fun975 you again girl... Aishia quit hiding behind your cult member's page! WE SEE YOU GIRL!
Wait, I’m actually disgusted. I am a stylist that invested thousands into the edu and I do plan to tell my story respectfully. I am just appalled that it was actually admitted with no accountability and I feel gaslit
I can’t wait to hear your story.
Please share your story! I didn't even think of it from a stylist standpoint at all.
Please share!
Oop hopefully you put it here on RUclips or you talk with AfrikanHairGod and/or Jenn Jackson. But I’m also sorry you went through this
So sry to hear that sis 😢 pls share your story
Honestly those stylists really disgust me. They just need to be honest and accountable.
I agree! 😑💯
I never trusted either of them.
I’m so glad I never followed the system. I had never heard of them until 2024 because of this channel. I’ve been natural 19 years and have always done what my hair needed. I’m so sorry this happened to you.
I feel you! I'm so happy you have your own routine and were able to do you and never found them like many of us did. 💕
Shelly with ALL the receipts! 😂
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Shelly & Narad - thank you for keeping these receipts! While I’m sitting here with a silk press after cutting more of my ends off. I still have more hair to cut.
This no leave in / no deep conditioning/ using gels directly to my hair - done jacked my hair up! This mess is so scandalous!
They made a lot of money scamming consumers and stylists that paid for their products/services. Unfortunately, I couldn’t control the damage that happened to my hair so had to shave it off and invest in a wig. Once again Shelly, thanks for highlighting the issues with BCG and CIK!
Ugh I’m so sorry Sis! Many had to shave their heads too. I honestly probably needed to shave mine as well! 😢
@ You worked really hard to get your hair to a healthy state and it’s thriving now. You’re an inspiration!
DEEP TREATMENT?????? i thought they said that wasnt necessary. Cut on blown out hair??? Nah these stylists think we forget????? I remember them in the earlier days.
Right!!! OMG-they are such liars. I did that for a month or two and returned to my old conditioning methods
The deep treatment is because she has bleached hair. I always heard them say that it's only necessary if you have coloured or bleached hair.
ZERO integrity is what they have!!!! Absolutely zero!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡
That part!!!!
Thank you Shelly V! Narada needs to be given his flowers. He continues to use his expertise, time and platform, to help us attain healthy hair, while calling BS, on the nonsense.
@@thay6077 Absolutely Sis‼️💯👏🏽
Class. Action. Lawsuit!! 😡😡😡
Been saying this!!!! 🗣️
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Even tho I knew they were gaslighters, it still makes me sick to my stomach to see this. Just filling their pockets at the community's expense. smh
I think this is why I never took them serious because they were too dogmatic like their way was the only way I considered paying for their services but I just couldn't do it😩😩
Female Umar Johnsons.🤣🤣🤣
It made me very angry. Charging 1000 for online courses. When we all know damn well that you need to see, feel and analyse how the hair behaves in person!
And they had zero problems with doing it‼️🤮
Do you remember early on when someone would ask a question how they’d speak down to and belittle whoever asked the question? Cause we were asking super valid questions and they didn’t want to answer us? They had the tagline of being “snarky”. I should have known then and there they didn’t know what they were talking about and that was just a way to hide that fact. I am furious.
@@teekie1099 Yes I certainly do! They were just nasty all the time and talked crazy to people because they felt they could! 💯
Shelly, your hair looks beautiful!
It really does.
Aww thank you so much Luv! 💕🥹
It's the scam artistry for me. Thank the Lord for you, Narada, and the other honest, courageous, knowledgeable people who went out on a limb to out them.
True Scammers!
It was also Rosie Amelia & SimplyTamZ who spoke up too🙏🏽❤️🩹
No shade to anyone that got on the curly cut no oils no butter bandwagon……but this methodology never made sense to me!
NEVER it’s just common sense. I would be side eyeing a stylist if she brought this B.S up
I know right, never made sense to me either. As soon as I heard of it I thought who in the world would believe this...man am I surprised to see now what has happened. I guess as anything in life, think for yourself, keep moving forward and learn from the mistakes.
Hindsight it doesn’t to me either. But when you’re desperate for answers and help with your natural hair, it’s easy to be preyed upon.
@@shelly.v.247 Yes sorry you fell victim! You’re hair looks fabulous now and I wish you the best of luck on you’re journey moving forward 🙏🏽
@ Aww thank you beautiful! 💖😘
Only people who need to figure out and get the ball rolling is those 2. And the ball can begin to roll with a sincere apology to the 3 who had the voice and courage to stand up and SPEAK up, yall have already did the HEAVY LIFTING and figured out HOW to get UP & from UNDER their hair treachery. Thank you Shelly 💕 your energy is pure, wanting to help those 2 and their minions bounce back🤍
Thank you beautiful! 💖 Them and their minions can kick rocks preferably with no shoes or socks in! 🤣
I WANT MY MONEY BACK! I live overseas and I was in their courses and the lives because there was nobody where I am that could help me with my curly hair styles. I’m so mad right now. My hair has suffered so much because I believed in these “professionals” instead of sticking with what I learned in RUclips UNIVERSITY!
Ugh, I am so sorry you went through that! 😩 They should be ashamed of themselves!
Please help us spread the word overseas if possible because it’s giving SCAM!!! 😑
@ it was only one lady that I knew who tried the method with me but she got jerked around by the stylist she went to in North Carolina during her visits home and by that time you and Rosie started sharing your experiences so she was spared. I felt so bad because she spent some MONEY on those couple of visits and the stylists wasn’t consistent with the info she needed to keep a good regimen going. There is a stylists I went to in Vegas who travels to Europe to teach (she can do some hair!) I’ll let her know to look out for this when she goes out there next time. I’ll also have to get with her about coming here once my stylists now goes back to the states. Ooh the stylist I had before the one I’m with now was PISSED the first time we met and I told her about the method and showed her pics of my hair. I showed the stylist I have now and a color specialist my pics and yours they were APPALLED at the damage.
@ We gotta hold them accountable!!! It’s just awful what they’ve done to so many of us!
Thank you for sharing our stories because people overseas need to know what’s going on too! ❤️🩹💯
@@shelly.v.247 you’re so very welcome and thank you for being brave and sticking to your guns when things got tough. It’s helped myself and my friend figure out what was going on with our hair. We did big chop again and were both working with a trichologist (who can do some hair) with getting our hair back on track.
Instead of acknowledging the issues, they simply change the rules, recently claiming that 'we are all learning together' and that 'we change course as we go along', but are too arrogant and unethical to explicitly admit their method can cause severe damage. They won't do that because their system is financially profitable. For every "specialist" who abandons the method, there are 10 more endorsing it. What I notice is that they don't explicitly mention they were trained by the "gurus", but you can tell because BGC is always commenting on their pages.
Watching them constantly change direction has been exhausting and angering. At this point, I really hope someone sues them because they've been lying and playing games and they knew it.
Aishia did a live the other day saying it’s just like apps, they need updates time to time. She will never come out and take accountability. She will just act like she changed her mind or she’s trying something new. She literally made videos making fun of women thinking they need leave-ins, oils, buttters, deep conductions, and wanting to see length. Funny, now she is all about stretched hair styling. I’m glad I had been natural long enough to know not to follow the BGC methods.
@@ArethaRenee they are targeting people new to natural hairstyling/curly/kinky styling. My British-Angolan black trichologists have 30 years experience. My Polynesian stylist has curly hair and 20 years experience with all hair types. They just laughed when I told them that there's a group of online stylists who are telling people on the internet with naturally dry hair not to use deep conditioner or leave ins. Heck even the white stylists know that you need a mask and a leave in if you have dry hair...even if your hair is straight! Paul Mitchell has been around since the 1970s and they still make leave-in and deep conditioning masks/moisture treatments but here come these 2 marketing for the last 5 years and they know everything...... Make it make sense cause this is some kinky afro hair math/myths.
It’s disgusting and deplorable!!! Aishia never blocked me from her personal account so she could spy on me. It’s clear that is exactly what has been happening because she literally implemented every remedy that we’ve disclosed.
Anyone who continues to follow and support individuals who move with such a lack of integrity deserves whatever comes to them.
Same, I didn't think that maybe the other stylists who bought into the education too were also victims. This is crazy. Feel very deceived.
No they weren’t because this isn’t in their curriculum. What they were doing were trying to follow trends.
I just saying some might have been duped, don't hairstylists always take supplement classes after beauty school , BGC made it seem legit and also with more ppl asking for curly cuts the demand was there, so feels only natural hairstylists would seek out the education to service the demand. BGC gets the clients both ways.
I agree with you. I don’t see like that initially but it’s becoming more clear each day.
Now wait a minute 🤣🤣🤣. If we see her with a big chop, she better not say she wanted a different style. She will never admit to having damaged hair.
Zero accountability with Aisha...zero!
I honestly don’t put anything past her now
@@cfoster6804ZERO‼️‼️‼️
WOW!!! The nerve!!! I have gotten a couple of curly cuts (only 2) but I never stopped using leave ins or deep conditioners. My go to shampoo and conditioners were from Miche Beauty. I did not follow their regimen. The only thing I started doing differently was using more water with my gels, which the gel I use instructs to do so anyway. I always follow the instructions on the packaging. I stopped going because it was more than I wanted to spend on a hair cut where I had to wash and style my hair beforehand. I learned how to blow dry and cut my own hair (every 3 months). I am so sorry for the damage and stress some people have gone through. Our hair is our glory. This had to be one of the most traumatizing things they ever had to go through. Looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen. 🤷🏽♀️
I’m so glad you listened to your hair and did what was best for it!❤
I definitely think there’s cause for a class action lawsuit.
clocked it!!
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I knew they were gaslighting when a couple years ago the BGC page popped up on my Instagram explore. They were being mean and nasty to anyone that disagreed with them and I still feel that same ick I got back then🤢🚩
They have always seemed to talk down to the consumer and I found out they did it to the stylist too! 😑
Your hair looks beautiful and healthy. My stylist did a deva cut on me. I'm not sure if that is the same thing, but I told her never again, please blow dry and then cut.
I had the same as there aren’t any CIK stylists where I live in the UK. I believe it’s the same thing. I had two cuts and said never again!
I have had a couple deva cuts too. I like them for shape, but I still get my hair blown out every so often to have the stylist give me a good trim.
@@annaw1058Can you please help us share this video in the UK? BGC & CIK have started to focus their efforts overseas because people in the USA aren’t buying it anymore! ❤️🩹
I honestly don’t know. Anthony Dickey said curly cuts are like going to the dentist and getting every other tooth cleaned. 🤣
I'm glad I never got around to visiting one of their "approved" stylist because I was, but I was just too cheap to pay those prices or buying their wash your hair book 😅😅
Same….😂😂
Listen, if any hairstylist even mentioned that nonsense to me I was walking out. No thanks!!!!!
I went to a trichtologist when i was having problems with bald spots due to extreme stress and she was into no oils and butters. My third time seeing her she made an exclamation while treating my hair/scalp. When I asked her what was wrong, she said, "Your hair is dry! It shouldn't get this dry!" That was my last time going to her.
@@Zora87Peace I see British-Angolan trichologists. The more senior one has 30 years experience. They don't use raw pure oil or butters. HOWEVER, they prescribe daily leave ins and weekly deep conditioners with products that already have the right and low concentration of oils and butters formulated into them! I use water based scalp products instead of oil or butter based. I think the main issue with their method was not using products regularly which kept the dryness away and using products too regularly that create dryness. Stripping shampoos and gels create dryness. Wash ans go styling generally create dryness. There is a reason why our ancestors in Africa created confined styling instead of wearing the hair loose. Yes they used oils and butters but they lived with the natural environment. Swimming in rivers daily. Getting caught in tropical forest rain daily. Not living in polluted cities and towns with polluted water, polluted air and unhealthy food. Less modern stress.
I know, right?! It’s a good thing that you were cheap and said nahhh. 😅🤣
I'm a hairstylist, and I stopped doing curly cuts on type 4 hair because I definitely noticed the shrinkage made it impossible to address all the ends that needed trimming. Even some 3c hair with strong shrinkage isn't suitable. I've seen a noticeable boost in length retention for my coily divas after doing this.
They had no idea what they were talking about then or now. It’s trial and error for every different curl type, porosity, density etc…
They are clueless! They’ve been taking our remedies and implementing in their course. Such a lack of integrity ‼️
Maybe when them class action lawsuits start trickling in like the deva curl situation.. they will learn !
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Sis, firstly your hair is growing so fast and looking gorgeous. Second, I’ve never had a curly cut bc I trust nobody with my hair. BUT my sister got one right after I told her not too. That stuff was crooked. She had to wear a half up half down until the top half grew back. Crazy work lol
Girl I’m with you on trusting nobody with your hair! 😂
I hope your sisters hair has fully recovered now.
Thank you it’s been a long and rough journey but I’m thankful to be where I’m at now. ❤️🩹😘
I remember when I first heard of those curly cuts and how they said they addressed the split ends. I REMEMBER! I remained skeptical, but I knew that was b.s. First off, no curl/coil is the same on one head of hair. Some are tighter than others. Some are looser than others. One side can be looser than the other. It's all differs in one head. So to now hear and see this is crazy. I don't know if they still have their old podcast episodes up, but if you listen to a lot of those, they do reveal their plot was to get naturals back into the salon chair with this new method that put would put YT University to shame and charge folks $500 for it.
$500 are you kidding me!!!!
@melvinaJenkinsDavis Oh yeah. I remember those menu lists. I would have been in the same dry hair, breakage boat, had it not been for me living in a rural area. The nearest CIK stylist was about 3 hours away and with me being a new client and wanting color, my service would have been $500 or more starting out. Me being broke and distant from the nearest one kept me from following down that road.
😳😲……that last part! I’m speechless 😶
When I first saw these cuts, I thought the shape was really cute. But then I watched the process, and I could clearly see they weren’t addressing all of the hair in those k1nky cuts. And Aishia was always talking about girls coming into her salon with baby crowns. And immediately I knew it was because whoever the previous stylist was to cut that particular client’s hair was shaping it like you would do someone who has type 3 curls and they want a rounded shape (shorter crown area creates a round shape on type 3 curls). But for type 4 girls (that rounded cut), it will just give you a mullet. That’s why for us it’s better to cut the hair stretched. And I’m sorry $500 for a haircut is insane. Especially when you can get a blowout and trim for much less (h3ll even a silk press, deep condition, and a trim).
Now I do agree with them about not using raw coconut oil on your hair and instead use moisturizing hair products with coconut oil (and butters) in them because they are specifically formulated for your hair. But when I started seeing people with dry hair (and complaining about their ends), that’s when I knew it was a hustle. If I was to use no leave-in and only a mousse or humectant gel as my styler, my hair would be so dry.
@@CerebralSigma And see... What's also not taken into account with this routine is climate. I'm in Florida. I got away with just using mousse in my hair for a few weeks. But once winter came, that was done. Back to the butters and oils. Stressing that "simplified" routine be the end all and be all was trouble from the start.
Hold ‘em accountable!!!
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I appreciate your channel as you have no problem calling out discrepancies in our hair community
I try my best to keep em honest!!!💕
Love how you stay sharing receipts!! 2018???? 😮 That video contradicts everything they promoted in SSC. I spent 2021-2022 following their methods & getting curly cuts and experienced the same damaged ends. Luckily I found a stylist that gave me a cut on blown out hair but I had so much difficulty with my curls from using their products that I decided to wear my hair pressed out. They should be held accountable for their cult-like environment and misleading so many people. Hopefully we can heal from this whole mess. Stay blessed!
@@shauna5968 It’s just awful what they’ve done to us! I really don’t know how they sleep at night! 😩
I’m so glad you were able to repair your hair. Enjoy wearing however you want. I love that tie you! 🥰
Shocked, but not surprised. 😔 I saw someone the other day go so far as to call the entire natural hair movement a cult. I wouldn't go that far, but this leg of it certainly was, and most cult leaders FOR SURE know that they are peddling a lie before they recruit their victims. It's just so disheartening. But yes, good on Narada for having such integrity!! 💯
I kind of view them as a cult because I just had to check one of their members on my IG post who was using a burner account. They do the most to protect each other and their leaders 🫣
Thank you for holding them accountable ❤
Absolutely!!!!❤️🩹
The bizarre thing is, had they just incorporated stretched cuts in combination with curly cuts for shape, the controversy would be nowhere near as large now. Why did they go back on this? What did they have to gain by hiding this from their clients? It’s so odd.
Other than that, their biggest mistake was straying too far from scientific consensus on hair. EVERYBODY’s hair needs oils and fats, regardless of texture and race. Hair oiling is deeply ingrained in Indian culture and their hair is type 1 to 2. They’re also notorious for having crazy long hair. Same with the Chad women using chebe. Crazy long hair despite leaving in a heavily oily/fatty product in there for days at a time. Even cheap drugstore hair products marketed towards white women have oils in them.
The most interesting thing I realised when I was trying out the no oils/no butters method was, when I strayed out into general curly hair content aimed at other races with type 2 and 3 hair, guess what? They were all using curl creams and leave ins FILLED with oils and fats before they even let a gel touch their hair. All the while we were being brainwashed by these two to believe those of us with type 4 hair didn’t need it 😂 crazy stuff. They need to help accountable for a lot.
My sentiments exactly 💯. The proof is in the pudding
Many other cultures and races have been getting great results forever (including our own), we just couldn't leave well enough alone. I could not get on board due to that observation alone.
I think they didn’t incorporate stretched cuts because it takes more time and cuts into that bag 💰
@@shelly.v.247 welp, now their bag’s gonna be cut big time 😂
@@sd8150 exactly - I know oil based products CAN impact hold in wet sets like wash and gos, but it’s not like others haven’t already found solutions to that. Isn’t Anthony Dickey’s line great for nourishing ingredients like oils while also giving good results with wash and gos? It’s really nothing new. At this point nothing about the SeeSomeCurls philosophy makes sense. And if it was all about making lots of money and scamming people then they fumbled that bag pretty quickly.
Wooooow! This turned out to be sooo much more than expected. Actually scamming! Not just being stubborn and not wanting to admit they're wrong...but straight up scamming b/c they knew the whole time! Daaaayum!
The whole dang time!!!!😑
They had me waste 2yrs (2023/2024) of hair growth and my time!! researching and following them diligently for me to do a big chop
(In April)
Ugh it makes me so mad!!! 😡
OMG same!! Same years, same time frame! And I had nothing but excessively dry hair and ZERO length retention to show for it. And I was trying so hard to grow my hair too. Talk about a big, fat waste of time...
THANK YOU NARADA THANK YOU SHELLY!!!
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Your hair is gorgeous. I'm so sorry that you went through all of this trauma. This is why I stay my evil old ass out of beauty shops. I've experienced too much lack of emotional intelligence and dishonesty. I don't need some hack experimenting on my hair.
I followed the original intent of 30 day detox from 2015. They weren't originally spouting all that non sense about continuing no oils no butters after completing the 30 day detox. I went right back to using all of my old products. I gained a better knowledge of what really worked. I stopped following their channel when things started going sideways.
I love Narada. He was down here in the trenches with us before he became a stylist. He keeps it real. I wish that I was closer to his shop.😪
You have me sooooo weak!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thank you so very much for the compliment 💖
Yeah they went completely off the rails with their tomfoolery!!!! 💯
Narada is my superhero ‼️‼️‼️
Thank you for this info! I followed BGC routine and curly cuts in 2022/2023. I stopped getting curly cuts after I noticed 1 side of my hair was twice as long as the other side. I also came across AfricanHairGod’s YT page and said I need to start getting blowout cuts. My hair is getting back to an even state. I’m so annoyed with how much money and time was spent. I’ve gone back to what works for me.
This is so disgusting!! They have constantly gaslit followers of their method that they didn't have damage that they have seen with their own eyes and felt. They are scammers in every way imaginable. People have wasted thousands on courses, products etc affiliated with their brands.
It’s some real Dirty Work‼️😑
Love your hair. Keep spreading the truth. 😍👍🏾❤
Thank you so much! 💖I’m doing my best to try and spread it!. 🙌🏽❤️
Wow this is really sad for professionals to treat people like that and take no accountability
That Part‼️💯
We all remembrer that video where they said they could see ALL of it in it's curly state. We did not understand the uneven ends. They even took the time to respond to Anthony Dickie about his curly cut video...SMH😑
Oh heck no! They jumped on AD?! Disrespect.
It’s deplorable on their end how they lied straight to our faces all while knowing they didn’t! Then they doubled down on it! Such Dirty Work!!!! 😑
And their worshippers are just like them blaming the ones who have asked for help saying they did too little or too much of something. Y'all keep bringing proof and they keep evading. Honestly this is how you put a stop to foolishness. By calling it out. Sorry y'all had to deal with this. ❤❤❤
I just had to check one over on my IG post of this video. She was using a burner account too and I knew exactly who she was. So I called her out! I know she feels some kind of way right about now too! 🤣
I even pinned the comment so ppl can fully see the tomfoolery we deal with!
Praying that the community comes together and heals. As those behind it face some type of justice.
Thank you for being one of the voices continually fighting for the community Shelly💚💚
Shelly stay on they necks and I love it!
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IKYFL !!!
What is ikyfl
@ “I know you fxxking lying!”
First time listener here. Miss ma'am please tell me where I can get YOUR cut!!!!!!😍😍😍😍
I would be happy to share the stylist who cuts my hair. Look up Apricot Lounge in Arizona. Her name is Kim. ❤️🤗
Wow.... Shelly you're dropping the receipts....
Always!‼️💯
Well somebody done went digging around in the old content and found the smoking gun! I 👏🏾 love 👏🏾 that 👏🏾 for y’all 👏🏾 . Now Shelly since you’ve been soo consistent with getting this message out to the people why don’t you be the one to consult an attorney about the possibility of a lawsuit - individual or class action. Only fighters go this route. I’ve initiated and won my share of lawsuits for other reasons of course 😉 Now where I’m from the best way to tell someone something is to SHOW THEM!
The stylists that took that CIK course were most definitely seeking additional education and techniques and unfortunately didn’t have the base knowledge on curly and coily hair AND ingredients like most stylists unfortunately to avoid the scam. Dickey said it perfectly “curly cuts are a gimmick” and that ain’t a lie. Godspeed!
I feel sorry for the stylists who spent a lot of money for the course. I was a hair model for their course (I had to pay too-so stupid) and those were regular everyday woman coming to get that training who didn’t look like they had hard earned money to waste.
Ugh that hurts my heart! 💔
I heard that they charged ppl to be models but wasn’t sure.
So basically, they charged the stylist for the education by using the models who also had to pay!
Dirty Work!!!! 💰💰💰
It's was a grift .
Big time!!!!!!!!!!
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Side note, your hair looks amazing. I love your current haircut.
@@plee6223 Thank you so very much! 🥰I’ve just been getting it cut for health and not a shape so it’s a little wonky. Lol. But it’s paradise compared to where I was! 🫣
I have 👀4c👀 and yes, I could produce the wash n go style with lots of manipulation and lots of product and lots of drying time but i could see my hair didn't like it.
I was waiting to see anyone with my texture showing serious length retention with this method. I'm still looking. For me, it was a version of maximum hydration method which also caused damage long-term.
I wonder how all the stylist they taught who were going so hard for curly cuts and that no old no butters nonsense are gonna feel now, chile issa mess
They are going to make videos, passive aggressively, knocking what Shelly has said. That is their modus operandi. Remember: they are making a lot of money from these cuts and styling wash n gos.
It will be interesting to watch
What’s annoying is they could’ve exercised moderation by stressing the importance of cleaning but alternating between kinky and straight cuts. Also I think the lack of lubrication from light oiling or grease added to the problem along with starving our hair of hydration and moisture.
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This! I didn't get too deep into the idea, but I took from it that if you used heavy oils/butters cleansing is SUPER important and for my fine hair the products with less oil/butter works well. But for protection/detangling/length retention, the oils and butters are necessary.
My twist outs/fro with mousse only is significantly better than when I was doing them with heavy oil/butter based products
It's a pyramid scheme 😭
BEEN saying this!!! 🎯🎯🎯
Yup, a total scam!!! 🫣
I had one curly cut in 2020 and it messed with my ocd. I was worried about the fact that some ofmy hair might be cut and have fresh ends, but not all of it. I never went back. Too ocd.
Well your intuition was right 💯
Oh my goodness. Yes, I have trichotillomania and could only have my hair cut once that way. I am thankful to have not completely gone down that road. I have not said much about my experience, but for me, it was the discolored ashy hair. I was sick when I noticed. Honestly, it was because of Shelly that I ditched the products and went back to my previous way of caring for my hair. I did have quite a bit cut off. I wear my hair short now and wear my hair both ways. But truth be told, I was sick when I saw that video. And I am mostly sick that I allowed myself to be fooled. I am one who has often said of others, 'how could they have been so stupid'. Now look at me.
Ahhhh, my stylist that was trained by them knew that and she told me; THE ONLY WAY TO SEE ALL THE SPLIT ENDS IS TO BLOW DRY AND FLAT IRON THE HAIR! I thought the 30 Day Detox was no RAW OILS/BUTTERS , ECCO Gel for 30 Days! The literature is posted on line from 2016! And my stylist NEVER stopped recommending deep treatments/conditioning IF IT WAS NEEDED! Like hair that has been colored! I am so sorry for your experience but we ALL were not duped!
My hair is literally still ruined from this challenge. I need to shave it all off but we’re in the thick of winter here 😭
What challenge?
Ugh I’m so sorry! 😞 By chance are you in Canada or the east coast?
@@michellew4737The 30 Day Hair Detox
This is sick the way they grifted ppl only to know the truth the whole time!!!!!!
That Part‼️💯😑
That part about the stylists. A hot dayum mess. They had consumers who went to comestology school for the sole purpose of getting a license so they could become Cut It Kinky trained and ONLY service curlies/tight curlies and hopefully roll in the dough like their mentors who often spoke on how to monetize the business of curly hair. If have seen a few move away from those BCG/CIK practices but many stand 10 toes deep in it. Many have chanhed their practices but will not admit the real reason why. Some of the stylists have actually had to close their businesses for a while because the model is not sustainable, especially for a new stylist. I am so happy the stylist I did find on their directory did not ever fully subscribe to their practices, BUT even with that, I did. I think my own desire to wear my hair short "saved" me from an eventual necessary big chop and also paying attention to what was happening to Shelly, Rosie, and others, and Afrikan Hair God's commentary. Thanks again!
Here's the lesson in short: GOTSTA BE MORE CAREFUL!
All so very true! Like Anita with Monarch Curls. Was new to hair and only became a cosmetologist after being a member inside of See Some Curls. She has injected herself as an authority about our hair and clearly knows very little. She just regurgitate what she learned in CIK & BGC. I don’t think she truly knows much about actual hair care for Afro textured hair.
It’s a shame so many of us fell for it, but at least we know now. And yes, I agree we gotta be more careful!!!! 🙏🏽❤️🩹
Chileeeeee this is a mess. Just causally saying that curly cuts don’t address certain issues as if she wasn’t bashing and mocking anyone who said the exact same thing. I feel like I’m on another planet this blatant gaslighting is insane
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I feel bad for the consumers but not the stylist. They knew better or should have. The entire debacle is indicative of cult like behavior and thought processes.
I see it differently now for the stylist who see it all now. For those still doubling down, I hope they enjoy hearing the echo of their empty salons.
This is sickening, they LET this hair damage happen to so many people and swore up and down that they were “hair saviors” in a way- hair is not a one size fits all, . This is beyond evil. These women and their “program” need to be sued or something, and need their cosmetology licenses taken away…
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How you are a whole licensed stylist, take a Cut it Kinky class, and think the method was sound? No leave-in on kinky hair? Only cutting the hair in its kinky state? Maybe they were all fresh out of beauty school.
Many were just learning about kinky hair. A lot of the stylist had not been licensed for a long time. I don’t fault them for relying on that education.
When I went to check out some of the stylists who were CIK trained, I saw a number of them actually did relaxed hair. The natural hair was new to them. So this was them getting natural hair training to get that clientele in their chair for $500 a pop.
@ArethaRenee I think you are right. They had to be new to natural hair.
@@lilbaby245 I think you are correct.
Most were relatively new to either being a stylist or cosmetology and the ones who weren't new were new to natural hair and since a lot of hair schools skip over anything significant about coily/kinky/tightly curled hair, for some of them this was literally their only natural hair education.
I hope nonone ever goes to either of them for any type of hair service.
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I never got into this but have been following this hot mess through you, Narada, and Jenn. They are so dirty for that. After this video anyone who follows them is a fool. I'm sorry but based on the lack of integrity alone...smh.
Your hair looks bomb by the way! So lush.
I can’t say I disagree with you! I feel the same exact way!
And thank you!!!!! I’m so happy to be where I am with my hair right now! 🙏🏽❤️🩹
Oh wow….. smh. This is deplorable. Can they be sued????? I’m so serious because they are taken no accountability
Why not all of this proof floating around their own words and if you have your own receipts, I would probably sue if it were me
If I paid for their courses, membership, their Wash Your Damn Hair e-book, I would ABSOLUTELY be suing. They are so lucky I only followed their methodology loosely (and still obtained some damage) b/c I would be the one suing & making sure it’s a class action too.
I definitely think we have a solid case!
I never understood the concept of my dry hair not needing any butters or oils. My hair would dry out like the Sahara desert 😢
May Karma be a LESSON over and OVER again until they BOTH experience METANOIA and apologize to You, AfrikanHairGod, & Rosie just as LOUDLY as they were disrespectful.
They owe you an apology too because you were victimized as well! Plus Silked By Sonnie lied about your hair! I loop her right up in there with Aishia & Aeleise and JC! They make me cringe! 🤮😑
If anyone after seeing their ends as terrible as they looked. looking as if goat ate their ends saw this and still followed this trend, you have nobody to blame but yourself. These women hair looked terrible.
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Class action lawsuits.
I have to say I'm very curious re the timing of this video...with all the controversy surrounding curly cuts and BGC, how is it that this video is just surfacing now??
And let’s not forget the ton of money they made through endorsing certain products that probably wasn’t suitable for some people’s hair 😒
I never followed the trend, I just had a gut feeling that it was a scam
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We spent soooo much money! 😭
It makes me feel sick when I think about it 🤮
@ Same! I traveled by car out of state too. I stayed in a hotel overnight to avoid driving for too long. I don't even want to think about it. 😭
@@michelleej Girl for my last one I got on a plane and got a hotel room. The cut was $350 plus I gave a $100 tip. 😩
@ 😭😭😭 Just sick 😫
Oh!! And fueled by greed!
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Why am I not surprised. I guess people just had to find out for themselves. Just because people are loud and selling fake courses doesn’t make them right. Anyway, as I have always said “curly cuts” are not a real thing. Hope people finally get back to professional haircuts and professional training.
The crazy part is they duped the stylist into thinking that they were. Which then duped the consumer into thinking that they were too! It’s wild! 😆
@@shelly.v.247 I understand why some stylist fell for the funk. We know our hair type has been neglected by the industry so it probably sounded like a dream come true for someone to be offering a course for our hair type. The thing is that our hair is still hair, and no hair type benefits more from precision cutting than ours. There are basic fundamentals that must always be followed. So a even if you take a professional cutting class you will learn the fundamentals, then you make appropriate adjustments on products based on the needs of the hair type (which ours is not going to be covered in class). The no oils or butters (and the hatred for grease smh) thing should have sounded like madness to everyone from the beginning.
@ Yes I agree but many can barely do their hair let alone understand it all.
We all must use better discernment period! 😓
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Just create a class action lawsuit and move on.
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$200 to get your hair done!!!!!!!!!!! $200 American dollars!!!!!! Lawsuit?
I personally paid way more than that for my cuts 🤦🏽♀️ 🫣
My goddddddd …. Alll liars are getting upper cut this year
So if they knew why did they decide to make it into a course like wtf
Bro wtf...
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I hope BGC sues you
Haha, honey we are the ones with the right to move forward with a class action lawsuit against them! 😘
Real hairstylists cut naturally curly hair WET. Stretching makes NO rational sense.
They all were taught to cut it dry through CIK.
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Chilll, she is burying herself
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Yeah they knew and their attitude is trash
2:05 « exorbitant » prices, not « absorbant » prices.
Haha yes keep me on track Sis! I knew that word was off! Lol 😂
Hey teach me how you are able to timestamp your comment? How the heck do people do that? I feel like I’m showing my age right now 🙈🤣
Thank you Luv!❤️