What do you think of the Wolfman Clan and this mysterious 'Hell of Beasts' - is it a real place, or just a metaphor? Let me know your thoughts on this unexpected piece of Bleach lore!
Is a reference to buddhism, especially the 6 path thing buddhism (yeah the same thing as in naruto) The idea is that the animal real is a not good reincarnation realm where ppl suffer cause animal life sucks (not as much as the lower two realms tho) and the idea is that komamura falls completely in that realm for his sins
I would love to ask you for a speculation video on what powers ichigo still has at the end cus I know you said he lost his hollow and Quincy but since they added that fake past and healed his sword does that mean he still technically has the powers since they where all actualy fused in his sword
The Beast Realm was definitely meant to be a distinct realm; a reference to the Buddhist mythology that Kubo is clearly inspired by. The realm of Gods (Soul Palace), demigods (Soul Society), hungry ghosts (Hueco Mundo), humans (Human World), Hell and animals (Beast Realm).
After Yamamoto died, I wish we would have seen some flashbacks with his interactions with the captains. Komamura always says he has this loyalty to Yamamoto, but I barely remember them ever interacting with each other.
It's forgivable in that Yamamoto was around for a LONG time, plenty of opportunities to earn trust, respect, and loyalty from his comrades. But yeah, would be great as content. I want content on the era when Yamamoto The Beast and The First Kenpachi mellowed.
Komamura's end was in a way, necessary after all the betrayal he went through and loss he endured. Him being declared KIA while he lives on a mountain is the best outcome we could get. At least he's known as the most honorable and kindest among Gotei 13's Captains.
Tekking made a good point. The beast human thing only works so long as u don't seek revenge. The moment he turns to go after yhach he auto losing its power. Had he not solely wanted revenge (he had no revenge based ideas vs bambi which is why it didn't affect him then) maybe he could of stayed in thay form.
I wish there would have been some Avenue where he would have brought honor to his clan and the shinigami. In doing so he would have “renewed “ his heart, stayed in that form and stay captain
I really like Komamura, he's one of the best written characters in the series and unfarily overlooked by the fans. He gets a great character arc especially in the last arc. I can't wait to see him in the anime, hopefully they do it justice and even add more action and content about The Beast Realm.
Maybe Komamura's lust for revenge had to cross a certain threshold for him to turn into that dog form. Like, if he stayed somewhat level-headed and overcame his desire for revenge he'd be fine and maybe could have stayed human forever. But as soon as he completely gave in to revenge that "timer" ran out.
He turns into a Fox because he chose revenge for Yama, that’s why it happens after his fight with Bambi. He wanted to kill Yhwach for revenge and that emotion turned him back into a beast, reinstating the curse. Komamura nutshell: I got tricked by those I trusted. His true form was the beast with a human heart; that was his most human form, the giant Fox. Tommo always makes Komamura more interesting than Kubo did. I did like the human form arc for him though, he was bad ass in the end. The old dog totally tricked him into giving up what made him human so he would lose his soul, not just his heart. Hope he eventually can come back from being a Fox. First time I saw his human form I thought he looked like he fused with Ginjo lol
I feel like it was a trick by Komamura's elder. I mean, in a way, he did warn Komamura, but he never eluded to what triggers the transformation back into a beast. I think, as long as Komamura was level headed, he would retain his powered up human form, but the moment he desired revenge, he would simply become a beast.
Imagine being in his situation and you will understand that you also would have probably craved to kill the one who killed the one you held dear...the one who took you in and accepted you for who you are.. I doubt that he would have been able to control his urge to kill Yhwach for murdering Yamamoto 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔😢😢😢😢... Yamamoto was there for him when no one else was willing to accept him💝💝💝💝💝😭😭😞 I
I feel like the elder beast man human form was probably one of the original captains with Yama + unohana. N that's why he never judged sajin. He's probably seen it before.
Anyone else think that the Hell of Beasts might also explain Yoruichi's clan / abilities? Yoruichi having different cat forms always just seemed kinda random to me, as it was never really explained well in terms of world building. But perhaps if there were wolfmen living on earth at some point, there might have been were-cats as well. I personally think that both clans committed some crime a looong time ago (possibly against the Soul King himself). The wolfmen's crimes were worse, so they were given the greater punishment, but if you think about it both the wolfmen and Yoruichi's clans both have restricted fighting abilities - the wolfmen have to go to extremes to regain their original fighting abilities, while Yoruichi really cannot assume her fighting cat form without a person whom she trusts unconditionally.
I think she can transform on her own. She just doesn't like to,because she's more animalistic, than she is human. So she hates to use that form. She told Sui Feng, she can't control it well. That's why Urahara forced her to transform. But yeah...Yoruichi is a were, like Koma. She told Ichigo, people always thinks she's male. Because of the way she sounds like a man. When she's in her, ORIGINAL form. She called her human appearance, "THIS form". She didn't call it, her normal appearance. Also , Byakuya called her, a "Cat-MONSTER", instead of catgirl, or catwoman. Plus cats were worshiped like Gods. And Sui Feng called her a Goddess. Lastly, Urahara's Zanpakuto, Benhime = Crimson WITCH. Witches, and magical, transforming, black cats, are synonymous.
No he's here because this will help his channel grow with the new upcoming surge of bleach popularity thanks to the return of the anime and the latest manga by Kubo himself regarding the hell Arche being released
My best friend straight of said "YOOOOO" when he saw this video. He really likes wolves and I am 90% sure liked the fact that the Wolfman Clan showed blatant Buddhism in BLEACH.
Well yeah, Soi phon learned shunko, toshiro teamed up with Matsumoto and byakuya trained in the royal realm. Kommaura ripped out his heart after training with his grandfather from the beast realm and gained immortality. I think his is the best
Komamura fight was one of the most epic fights of the final arc , his human form was cool and his new Bankai looked like something out of attack on titan , but then bambietta got brought back as a zombie , making komamura sacrifice all for naught.
I wish we got a little more mileage out of humanified Sajin, I always thought it would have been amazing if after he defeated Bambietta he marched through the city swatting down fodder quinces until he joined the battle against Gérard Valkyrie alongside Kenpachi, think about it, a giant immortal dude vs a small immortal dude puppeteering a giant's body. I just thought it was a missed opportunity. And I wonder if he could eventually learn to talk again in hundreds or thousands of years, was his grandfather's form so beastial because he also once tore out his heart for the sake of vengeanc?
The transformation triggered by making that hole in his chest is giving me hollow vibes, I don't think that has anything to do with the curse but that was my first thought when I'd seen what's been done to him.
I like tekking101 thoughts on this When he faught bambieta he was fighting to protect bit then he gave in to his desire for revenge and went after the king Bassically he could only retain the power if he wasn't after revenge
Damn this is an awesome video and it definitely answered some questions I had surrounding Komamura and the transformation he undergoes during TYBW arc. Komamura easily is one of the coolest captains and I’m glad he got some fleshed out story in the last arc. Keep up the good work!
After your Yama vid, I can see some striking parallels between the old man and Komamura. (This is my take before finishing this vid. Will finish after posting) Both lose someone dear to them that causes a dynamic shift in their mental states... One that leads to an act of desperation... A massive uptick in power... All with irreversible consequences.
I hope the anime fleshes out the background of all the captains a lot more. Kubo just didn’t have enough time. I also would love to know about random characters like Iba and Kira.
How I understood it when I read the manga was that as long as Komamura don't let his rage consume him he could stay in his "true" form. Then exactly that happened, he gave in completely and turned into a beast.
Honestly komamura was my fav character out of the gotei 13 and this is someone who’s usually hates them. His final sacrifice really had me respect him more
I honestly zoned out while I was reading this part of the manga, probably because I read tybw in the course of one week. It’s honestly a lot more interesting than I remember, thanks for the great video!
As someone who likes wolves more than humans, Komamura is one of my favourite captains. Unteresting character aspect, cool backstory, and this, was a well made video. His fight and end scenario made me cry tho. I just couldnt handle it without letting out my tears. However, I dislike something, and its just my personal opinion probably, but after him, they should have called back Love to become the 7th division captain again. Having Iba, a shinigami with an unknown zanpakuto, shikai and bankai (if he has it), just doesnt satisfy me.
I think kommaura sinking into the hell is just metaphorical and it's him stewing in his emotions trapped in the body of a wolf. As for the beast realm it could have been cool to explore it a bit more. We only know two memebers for crying out loud and nothing of the location
LONG PERSONAL THEORY: I believe that Komamura did became a complete human, not like we see him once his armor is down. My theory is that he became fully human (no wolf-life ears and a lot less hairy) the moment the technique was done, but he was on a timer starting that same time. Also I think he was changing back to a wolf as time passed, that's why he is in a mixed state during his fight with Bambietta. This would explain why neither Komamura nor Tetsuzaemon were surprised the moment he fully became a wolf. Also why he engaged Bambietta in the first place, so he would at least help before losing his powers. Amazing video, Tommo, I used to feel shame for liking Bleach, but you made me see there is more to the series that most people think. Edit: Added a few thoughts and grammar.
Actually this Wolfman curse is all about the Asura in Buddhist Religion or the Buddhist sect that thrive in Japan. It's about the giving up your physical form to seek enlightenment. You can notice this more on chinese lore. I think author base it on that, specially the bankai ultimate form.
Just discovered you man, your videos are excellent, no idea how you only have 70k subs when someone like tekking101 has half a mil. Glad I could be here before you blew up!
Yikes, I had interpreted it to be that Komamura’s human form would remain as long as he never tried to fight out of revenge/vengeance. I remember him being in a mindset away from revenge while fighting Bambietta, but then after defeating her, saying that he wanted to get his revenge on Yhwach - which is what triggered his transformation into his primal beast form…did I completely miss the mark while reading those chapters? Lol
I believe Komamura wasn't living a pretender's life. I think that with time his heart might have become much more human than beast, and could have attained his human form naturally. Him taking out his heart grants him a power boost and transformation temporarily before the loss of said heart transforms him into a full beast. Komamura gave up what made him human and thus lost his humanoid form, any semblance of humanity. I believe it is a test of sorts for his clan, whether they can overcome their beastial instinct for vengeance or fall prey to it. Essentially we have another Gon situation where Gon this talented, pure boy fell to rage and sacrificed not only his life, but potential to gain temporary power that will end with his life. In HxH the process/contract was reversed, which if Orihime is capable could be done for Komamura. Even if Komamura didn't gain a human form at all he could have attained that level of power purely based on the idea that the boost of the transformation was what he would be if he trained for years. It is stated it is a curse maybe through purity of the soul or strength of will it could be broken then again maybe not, but it was all a matter of if he stuck to his principles and beliefs or succumbed to his conviction of vengeance. This is all my own personal head canon and interpretation.
I was really sad too as i love Komamura. But later i understand why. Kubo always want to show us that anyone following the path of vengeance will receive the worst fate in Bleach. That is the ultimate sin. Tousen in his pursuit of revenge finally was killed horribly. The same horrible fate happened to Gin who wanted to take revenge on Gin. Every single character in Bleach consumed by revenge ended up dead or worse. At least Komamura is still alive as a dog.
I think that they were all originally humans who as u said sought revenge but died and were turned into beastmen and when they take out their hearts they turn back into humans cause their heart was the source of their vengeance but if they seek revenge they turn into the animal they were turned into after death and what the old dog meant by “welcome back to our clan” was that the reason he left the clan the first time was because the other clan members sought revenge and tore out their hearts in the past but Sanjin didn’t want to partake in their revenge so he left the clan. Now though he did it out of seeki by his own vengeance for the loss of his friend and in doing so was welcomed back into the clan because the lesson his grandfather was teaching him was by doing this they’re sacrificing their human half to become beasts not simply for revenge but to protect and later watch over those they love.
My question here, and i know like alot of things in bleach this will probably not ever be answered lol but, are komamuras clan made up of beast man already because of their ancestors sins or is it made up of humans that die and turn to beast in the afterlife and THEN join the beast clan
How I always seen it is that they were a race that existed from the primordial era. The clan did something to go from humans to beast people. A ritual or what not that effected the entire blood line. Being werewolves maybe they feed on human hearts and that was their sin. And at forst was punished into being beast then during the separation of dimensions got sent to the soul society.
Hi I love your content a ton, and I really wanted to share my thoughts on these forms where other ppl will see I do think this is a pretty good representation of Ukitakes bankai, because where as his shikai absorbs, amplifies, and releases other people’s attacks, this form seems to absorb and assimilate other energies to utilize it freely. So if this was just a bankai, he’d probably activate it in response to an attack to absorb it and use it to defeat his foe, assuming he didn’t have an ally to assist like Shunsui. Now, the most interesting thing here is that his third strong attack highly resembles the mimihage!! And that is the Beyond Bankai part of this power, it’s that he’s also channeling some of the mimihage’s power in conjunction with kageoni. That’s how I see it at least. Now with Yama, I agree with everything you said, and honestly I don’t like it nearly as much lmao, sheerly cause you need something crazy to be Beyond zanka no tachi. Imo they should’ve given him blue or even white fire to really elevate it to that status. I think Shunsui’s form being more like his shikai makes sense when you look at his bankai. He never seemed to really like his bankai, and considered it kind of a last resort self sacrifice move. Its extremely somber and is essentially uncontrollable as it would attack friend and foe in its AOE. So this beyond form takes the powers of his Shikai, that aren’t as tragic, and fully amplifies and concentrates it into this more powerful form. Unlike his bankai, this is him choosing to protect Soul Society, while also making sure he will stay to continue to protect it.
Its a bit sad that all the time he was kind of Yamamoto's glorified watch dog... Once Yama was gone he had nothing left to live for apparently. Meanwhile, Byakuya got to have his gruesome, dramatic death-moment, while also surviving and not loose his powers or sth... Shinigami really aren't created equal
I mean his great grandfather was a beast too though, did he also undergo the human transformation sometime long ago? Is that why he is so bitter? I mean his great grandfather has battle scars himself too, there was also that flash back of the original gotei 13, 2000 years ago that has a similar build to that of Sajin (granted not that you see any of them but it is fun to think about regardless)
Personally, I always thought of the transformation as something similar to Super Saiyan 3 back during the Majin Buu arc in Dragon Ball Z. During the tournament and when Buu is resurrected, Goku is still dead and dead people have a limited time they're allowed back on Earth. When Goku showed that form to both Goten and Trunks, it greatly shorten the time that he was allowed to be on Earth. I always thought this might be a similar case with Komamura. Perhaps he could have kept the humanoid form for much longer if he didn't go into Bankai. He honestly had no reason to but again, he wasn't thinking with the clearest mindset and that probably contributed greatly into his decision to use Bankai. Actually, that's also something similar that happened with Nel. She knew she had to use her resurrection form but also understood that it would put an incredible strain on her body after finally becoming an adult again so shortly ago.
I love Komamura's human form ❤ l loved his desing, his character and never saw him as a joke His clan's backstory even inspirated me to add some extra in my currect side story.
The more intresting thing is, what was that sin? It needed to be something really bad, since it cursed not only the original siners, but the whole clan. Mayby its conected to the sin that soul society did? (traping soul king) Because i can't image it being simply murder
So if the elder “feeds off” the act of revenge then... what about the rest of the clan? There’s obviously others so... if this is a vicious cycle perpetrated by the elder then who are they all getting revenge on the shinigami?
It's unclear if his elder could speak to normal humans or if it was because Komamura was part beast. In other words, there is a case to be made that he can't speak and neither could his elder
@@Malthizar in CFYOW he can't normally, but instead he needs an intermediary who understands their clans' language. He talks to Iba with the help of twin wolf boys, who translated his words to Iba.
Always assumed he was typical Komamura and mentally reflected on Bambietta's death, accidentally taking away from his own lust for vengeance, causing the curse to accelerate. He was just too good of a person to truly utilize the ability, and I bet if Kubo goes for the Hell arc, we see Iba kill gramps, and Sajin regain some form of intelligence, potentially even the ability to become human for bursts.
In reference to The Hell of Beasts, I think it's very much a real place the same as Hueco Mundo and the Soul Society are real places. It seems that, when you die, there are potentially 3 places your spirit can go. Good spirits go to SS, bad spirits go to HM, and good spirits that give into revenge go to the Hell of Beasts As with SS spirits, Hell Beasts can likely have relationships and foster children with one another. These children most likely "inch" closer to being regular humans which is why they stand upright and wear clothes. Those children, after enough generations, likely can create actual humans that are indistinguishable from regular SS humans. The issue is that, because they are linked with their vengeance and beastial nature, they likely can't help but give in and revert to being animals. Kommumora seems to have tried to escape this cycle and left to join the Soul Society. It doesn't seem like there was any actual barrier blocking him from entering. This likely means they "could" join SS whenever that want, but "choose" to stay as beasts (likely because they don't wish to leave and they don't want the persecution) That's my take on it all, anyway. Hell of Beasts is a real place Ichigo & friends could go if they wanted. It's filled with people who are too good to be bad and too bad to be good and are living in a sort of purgatory. After enough generations they could turn human, but most likely give in to their nature and revert into beasts anyway
After all that you think he lost his zanpakto and can’t call it’s name?! Wasn’t the elder talking out loud?! How crazy would that bankai be?!?! I bet he’s the only one of that clan to ever have zanpakto.
Not exactly. Tosen threw away all his friends in pursuit of revenge. He betrayed everything he said he stood for and became a hollow. Komamura followed Yamamoto's path.
@@Gevaudan1471 But both of them were swallowed by this idea of vengeance. The path to it was bit different but the in the end both of them were victims of revenge.
Brillaint video. I think you are right that vengence is a key theme to Komamura´s arc and the culture of his clan. Surely tgough, as the humanising ritual is about bringing them back to their original state for a short time as an immortal human, the crime the clan may have been guilty off was attaining perpetual mortal life. Those who do not die and flow in the circle of souls lead to the stagnation and imballance of the three worlds. A high crime indeed. No?
Well it two showed 🐶 pups or kid beast from his clan. It be cool if to sajins point there all accepted and they became soulreapers. And can do the techniques without the drawbacks.
Yeah, there are several people who have accepted him regardless of his appearance. The head captain, Tousen, his lieutenant, his squad probably, and the bulk of the main cast of characters. Hell Chad probably can relate to him because he is also a giant man who is sometimes viewed as a monster especially with the Hollow / Fullbring powers he has.
I think the words used by elder signifies that young komumura rejected the whole vengeance thing but after he succumbed to that the elder rejoices that his clans ways are not lost. Him giving his heart is literal and metaphorical. Him giving up his code to become as rest of his family. Like coming of the son back. I also do not think there is some trigger to it. It's about how long one is able to keep the transformation
could the hell of beasts be wueco mundo and the hollow realm, because Instinct was the lesson of hollow ichigos speech about the king and his horse. but that would be weird if they got banished their without being hollows, in a way when they remove their heart they get a hollow hole in their chest.
never read the manga and spoilers don't bother me, new to the channel, this info is pretty cool, i always thought he was a fox person of some type bc of his colorization... wolf never crossed my mind not even once.
It's a shame there's nothing really about the Wolfman Clan (or any family) in Bleach. There's a bunch of world-building but nothing to grasp onto. Wish Bleach would dive into its own history much like what Naruto did. Uchiha, Hyuga, Senju, and even a side character from the Kaguya clan have some importance in the world. Bleach we get Kuchiki and Shiba and not even a lot about them besides 1 or 3 characters from each retrospective clan. Like I'm so curious about the Noble families in Bleach, what are the Shihōin like? What about Kisuke's family? Why did he grow up in the Shihōin Mansion? These would have been answered in Naruto. Maybe there will be more books that explore the characters but I doubt that.
What do you think of the Wolfman Clan and this mysterious 'Hell of Beasts' - is it a real place, or just a metaphor? Let me know your thoughts on this unexpected piece of Bleach lore!
Probably just a metaphor given the beastliness they are know to revert to.
Is a reference to buddhism, especially the 6 path thing buddhism (yeah the same thing as in naruto)
The idea is that the animal real is a not good reincarnation realm where ppl suffer cause animal life sucks (not as much as the lower two realms tho) and the idea is that komamura falls completely in that realm for his sins
I would love to ask you for a speculation video on what powers ichigo still has at the end cus I know you said he lost his hollow and Quincy but since they added that fake past and healed his sword does that mean he still technically has the powers since they where all actualy fused in his sword
The Beast Realm was definitely meant to be a distinct realm; a reference to the Buddhist mythology that Kubo is clearly inspired by. The realm of Gods (Soul Palace), demigods (Soul Society), hungry ghosts (Hueco Mundo), humans (Human World), Hell and animals (Beast Realm).
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"He's always been such a loyal and caring being.." You can just say it Tommo, he's a good boy! xD
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@@skyreapery2n164 aizen is my favorite character, byakuya is my second favorite lol is byakuya your fav?
After Yamamoto died, I wish we would have seen some flashbacks with his interactions with the captains. Komamura always says he has this loyalty to Yamamoto, but I barely remember them ever interacting with each other.
Yeah his debt was only for letting him be a shinigami with no further depth
His loyalty lies with the fact he let him become a member of the gotei 13 and a captain at that. Also, hes part dog; mans best friend!
It's forgivable in that Yamamoto was around for a LONG time, plenty of opportunities to earn trust, respect, and loyalty from his comrades. But yeah, would be great as content. I want content on the era when Yamamoto The Beast and The First Kenpachi mellowed.
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579 that's all a dog needs. a place to be comfy and they love you. XD
@@willclark4449 haha totally fair!
Komamura's end was in a way, necessary after all the betrayal he went through and loss he endured. Him being declared KIA while he lives on a mountain is the best outcome we could get. At least he's known as the most honorable and kindest among Gotei 13's Captains.
Komamura Sama the Goat of Gotei 13.
Komamura... the best boi
I hope he can get back at the Gotei 13
He is alive after all
@@framedthunder6436 yeah but he’s a complete wolf now, he can’t even wield a sword let alone be a shinigami again
@@avijit722 he can just become and hollow and become a vasto lordes or something and become humanoid again. they got the means for it
Tekking made a good point. The beast human thing only works so long as u don't seek revenge. The moment he turns to go after yhach he auto losing its power. Had he not solely wanted revenge (he had no revenge based ideas vs bambi which is why it didn't affect him then) maybe he could of stayed in thay form.
It seemed to have a set time limit either way
I wish there would have been some Avenue where he would have brought honor to his clan and the shinigami. In doing so he would have “renewed “ his heart, stayed in that form and stay captain
@@ortiz3m i thought that's exactly what was going to happen when i was first reading it
@@fer3glockboy167 it would’ve been a better option.
I feel your right as well, that timing when he turns to get revenge is the same moment his abilities fail him.
I really like Komamura, he's one of the best written characters in the series and unfarily overlooked by the fans. He gets a great character arc especially in the last arc. I can't wait to see him in the anime, hopefully they do it justice and even add more action and content about The Beast Realm.
Maybe Komamura's lust for revenge had to cross a certain threshold for him to turn into that dog form. Like, if he stayed somewhat level-headed and overcame his desire for revenge he'd be fine and maybe could have stayed human forever. But as soon as he completely gave in to revenge that "timer" ran out.
He turns into a Fox because he chose revenge for Yama, that’s why it happens after his fight with Bambi. He wanted to kill Yhwach for revenge and that emotion turned him back into a beast, reinstating the curse. Komamura nutshell: I got tricked by those I trusted. His true form was the beast with a human heart; that was his most human form, the giant Fox. Tommo always makes Komamura more interesting than Kubo did. I did like the human form arc for him though, he was bad ass in the end. The old dog totally tricked him into giving up what made him human so he would lose his soul, not just his heart. Hope he eventually can come back from being a Fox. First time I saw his human form I thought he looked like he fused with Ginjo lol
I feel like it was a trick by Komamura's elder. I mean, in a way, he did warn Komamura, but he never eluded to what triggers the transformation back into a beast. I think, as long as Komamura was level headed, he would retain his powered up human form, but the moment he desired revenge, he would simply become a beast.
Imagine being in his situation and you will understand that you also would have probably craved to kill the one who killed the one you held dear...the one who took you in and accepted you for who you are..
I doubt that he would have been able to control his urge to kill Yhwach for murdering Yamamoto 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔😢😢😢😢...
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I feel like the elder beast man human form was probably one of the original captains with Yama + unohana. N that's why he never judged sajin. He's probably seen it before.
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Anyone else think that the Hell of Beasts might also explain Yoruichi's clan / abilities? Yoruichi having different cat forms always just seemed kinda random to me, as it was never really explained well in terms of world building. But perhaps if there were wolfmen living on earth at some point, there might have been were-cats as well. I personally think that both clans committed some crime a looong time ago (possibly against the Soul King himself). The wolfmen's crimes were worse, so they were given the greater punishment, but if you think about it both the wolfmen and Yoruichi's clans both have restricted fighting abilities - the wolfmen have to go to extremes to regain their original fighting abilities, while Yoruichi really cannot assume her fighting cat form without a person whom she trusts unconditionally.
I think she can transform on her own. She just doesn't like to,because she's more animalistic, than she is human. So she hates to use that form. She told Sui Feng, she can't control it well. That's why Urahara forced her to transform. But yeah...Yoruichi is a were, like Koma. She told Ichigo, people always thinks she's male. Because of the way she sounds like a man. When she's in her, ORIGINAL form. She called her human appearance, "THIS form". She didn't call it, her normal appearance. Also , Byakuya called her, a "Cat-MONSTER", instead of catgirl, or catwoman. Plus cats were worshiped like Gods. And Sui Feng called her a Goddess. Lastly, Urahara's Zanpakuto, Benhime = Crimson WITCH. Witches, and magical, transforming, black cats, are synonymous.
@@ODBleach benihime= crimson princess. hime is princess. Witch is majo
I really love tommo's dedication, bleach has ended and yet here he is explaining every bit of it so we don't get confused.
No he's here because this will help his channel grow with the new upcoming surge of bleach popularity thanks to the return of the anime and the latest manga by Kubo himself regarding the hell Arche being released
His bankai has a big disadvantage but you must agree that it's one of top 3 most badass when he summons it. I
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My best friend straight of said "YOOOOO" when he saw this video. He really likes wolves and I am 90% sure liked the fact that the Wolfman Clan showed blatant Buddhism in BLEACH.
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Considering that the Elder is able to speak, can we assume that Komamura might eventually learn to talk in beast form as well?
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Tommo every video: out of all the captains who lost their bankai, Komamura had the most interesting story
😂 Love the vids man!
Well yeah, Soi phon learned shunko, toshiro teamed up with Matsumoto and byakuya trained in the royal realm.
Kommaura ripped out his heart after training with his grandfather from the beast realm and gained immortality. I think his is the best
you cannot deny that, at the very least, it was the most METAL power up of them all
ohh interesting choice. thank you again for another amazing video
The elder wolf man totally looks like captain commander Yamamoto
Props for mentioning that you are using the Viz translation. It's a small detail but it does make a lot of difference!
This gotta be one of the best analysis you did so far
Komamura is one of my favorites.
Komamura fight was one of the most epic fights of the final arc , his human form was cool and his new Bankai looked like something out of attack on titan , but then bambietta got brought back as a zombie , making komamura sacrifice all for naught.
Not really she Just a walking corpse
@@Universe_World she still had her powers .
Yeah, I found that so frustrating
No his sacrifice wasnt for nothing you pathetic troll hater
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I saw Sajin komamura content. I watch, like and think of my life choices
Next Video: Analyzing Ashido Kano, the forgotten captain level soul reaper in the Hueco Mundo Arc
I wish we got a little more mileage out of humanified Sajin, I always thought it would have been amazing if after he defeated Bambietta he marched through the city swatting down fodder quinces until he joined the battle against Gérard Valkyrie alongside Kenpachi, think about it, a giant immortal dude vs a small immortal dude puppeteering a giant's body. I just thought it was a missed opportunity.
And I wonder if he could eventually learn to talk again in hundreds or thousands of years, was his grandfather's form so beastial because he also once tore out his heart for the sake of vengeanc?
I still think that this wolf elder is related to Burn the Witch. Since the first marchen was 'Cinderella', maybe he could be the 'Big Bad Wolf'.
That's a really interesting idea.
Wolves and men are badass!
Also did you or anyone else see DBZimran’s video on ichigo?
The transformation triggered by making that hole in his chest is giving me hollow vibes, I don't think that has anything to do with the curse but that was my first thought when I'd seen what's been done to him.
That symbolism is likely on purpose
I like tekking101 thoughts on this
When he faught bambieta he was fighting to protect bit then he gave in to his desire for revenge and went after the king
Bassically he could only retain the power if he wasn't after revenge
Amazing video mate, keep the greatness coming
I would have love to see the Quincy having a harder time taking his bankai because of the type of bond he has with it
I don’t know about anyone else but Kisuke, Shunsui & Sanjin have always been my favorite.
Damn this is an awesome video and it definitely answered some questions I had surrounding Komamura and the transformation he undergoes during TYBW arc. Komamura easily is one of the coolest captains and I’m glad he got some fleshed out story in the last arc. Keep up the good work!
Really great breakdown. I legit learned a lot even having read the chapter
After your Yama vid, I can see some striking parallels between the old man and Komamura. (This is my take before finishing this vid. Will finish after posting)
Both lose someone dear to them that causes a dynamic shift in their mental states... One that leads to an act of desperation... A massive uptick in power... All with irreversible consequences.
Anime-only fans will have their minds blown when the TYBW anime gets to this moment. Definitely a top 20 moment for me in the series overall
I hope the anime fleshes out the background of all the captains a lot more. Kubo just didn’t have enough time. I also would love to know about random characters like Iba and Kira.
How I understood it when I read the manga was that as long as Komamura don't let his rage consume him he could stay in his "true" form. Then exactly that happened, he gave in completely and turned into a beast.
The Wolfman clan seems to be like hollows from the Dark Souls Trilogy.
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Honestly komamura was my fav character out of the gotei 13 and this is someone who’s usually hates them. His final sacrifice really had me respect him more
I honestly zoned out while I was reading this part of the manga, probably because I read tybw in the course of one week. It’s honestly a lot more interesting than I remember, thanks for the great video!
As someone who likes wolves more than humans, Komamura is one of my favourite captains. Unteresting character aspect, cool backstory, and this, was a well made video. His fight and end scenario made me cry tho. I just couldnt handle it without letting out my tears. However, I dislike something, and its just my personal opinion probably, but after him, they should have called back Love to become the 7th division captain again. Having Iba, a shinigami with an unknown zanpakuto, shikai and bankai (if he has it), just doesnt satisfy me.
One of my favorite characters, I want him to return so bad in the New Hell Arc, he deserved better
Love the vids. Watch daily.
Yet another awesome and insightful video, I hope you get the millions of subscribers you deserve!!
Im sure Kubo wanted to give Komamura a win and have him live as a wolf. He went straight to Ywach he would have be killed on the spot
Awesome job!! Thoroughly enjoyed this.
Best bleach content outside of Bleach itself thank you @MrTommo2304
I think kommaura sinking into the hell is just metaphorical and it's him stewing in his emotions trapped in the body of a wolf.
As for the beast realm it could have been cool to explore it a bit more. We only know two memebers for crying out loud and nothing of the location
such an interesting character this is one of the coolest moments
the blood war changed the way I thought about koma
I guess in a sense this was Sajin's "Final Getsuga Tensho"
LONG PERSONAL THEORY:
I believe that Komamura did became a complete human, not like we see him once his armor is down.
My theory is that he became fully human (no wolf-life ears and a lot less hairy) the moment the technique was done, but he was on a timer starting that same time.
Also I think he was changing back to a wolf as time passed, that's why he is in a mixed state during his fight with Bambietta. This would explain why neither Komamura nor Tetsuzaemon were surprised the moment he fully became a wolf. Also why he engaged Bambietta in the first place, so he would at least help before losing his powers.
Amazing video, Tommo, I used to feel shame for liking Bleach, but you made me see there is more to the series that most people think.
Edit: Added a few thoughts and grammar.
Actually this Wolfman curse is all about the Asura in Buddhist Religion or the Buddhist sect that thrive in Japan. It's about the giving up your physical form to seek enlightenment. You can notice this more on chinese lore. I think author base it on that, specially the bankai ultimate form.
@TestHD Induced im not talking about their government, it's all about literature and fanstasy books.
the beast realm should have been the spin-off instead of burn the witch stuff
Just discovered you man, your videos are excellent, no idea how you only have 70k subs when someone like tekking101 has half a mil. Glad I could be here before you blew up!
Yikes, I had interpreted it to be that Komamura’s human form would remain as long as he never tried to fight out of revenge/vengeance. I remember him being in a mindset away from revenge while fighting Bambietta, but then after defeating her, saying that he wanted to get his revenge on Yhwach - which is what triggered his transformation into his primal beast form…did I completely miss the mark while reading those chapters? Lol
I feel like Mayuri would just go, "how fascinating, let me analyze this curse!"
I believe Komamura wasn't living a pretender's life. I think that with time his heart might have become much more human than beast, and could have attained his human form naturally. Him taking out his heart grants him a power boost and transformation temporarily before the loss of said heart transforms him into a full beast. Komamura gave up what made him human and thus lost his humanoid form, any semblance of humanity. I believe it is a test of sorts for his clan, whether they can overcome their beastial instinct for vengeance or fall prey to it. Essentially we have another Gon situation where Gon this talented, pure boy fell to rage and sacrificed not only his life, but potential to gain temporary power that will end with his life. In HxH the process/contract was reversed, which if Orihime is capable could be done for Komamura. Even if Komamura didn't gain a human form at all he could have attained that level of power purely based on the idea that the boost of the transformation was what he would be if he trained for years. It is stated it is a curse maybe through purity of the soul or strength of will it could be broken then again maybe not, but it was all a matter of if he stuck to his principles and beliefs or succumbed to his conviction of vengeance. This is all my own personal head canon and interpretation.
Komamura´s fate made me cry so much years ago when the chapter came out. I really wanted him to have a better ending, he didn´t deseve this!
I was really sad too as i love Komamura. But later i understand why. Kubo always want to show us that anyone following the path of vengeance will receive the worst fate in Bleach. That is the ultimate sin. Tousen in his pursuit of revenge finally was killed horribly. The same horrible fate happened to Gin who wanted to take revenge on Gin. Every single character in Bleach consumed by revenge ended up dead or worse. At least Komamura is still alive as a dog.
I think that they were all originally humans who as u said sought revenge but died and were turned into beastmen and when they take out their hearts they turn back into humans cause their heart was the source of their vengeance but if they seek revenge they turn into the animal they were turned into after death and what the old dog meant by “welcome back to our clan” was that the reason he left the clan the first time was because the other clan members sought revenge and tore out their hearts in the past but Sanjin didn’t want to partake in their revenge so he left the clan. Now though he did it out of seeki by his own vengeance for the loss of his friend and in doing so was welcomed back into the clan because the lesson his grandfather was teaching him was by doing this they’re sacrificing their human half to become beasts not simply for revenge but to protect and later watch over those they love.
Please made a video about Kyoraku vs Stark next
My question here, and i know like alot of things in bleach this will probably not ever be answered lol but, are komamuras clan made up of beast man already because of their ancestors sins or is it made up of humans that die and turn to beast in the afterlife and THEN join the beast clan
How I always seen it is that they were a race that existed from the primordial era. The clan did something to go from humans to beast people. A ritual or what not that effected the entire blood line.
Being werewolves maybe they feed on human hearts and that was their sin. And at forst was punished into being beast then during the separation of dimensions got sent to the soul society.
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Hi I love your content a ton, and I really wanted to share my thoughts on these forms where other ppl will see
I do think this is a pretty good representation of Ukitakes bankai, because where as his shikai absorbs, amplifies, and releases other people’s attacks, this form seems to absorb and assimilate other energies to utilize it freely. So if this was just a bankai, he’d probably activate it in response to an attack to absorb it and use it to defeat his foe, assuming he didn’t have an ally to assist like Shunsui. Now, the most interesting thing here is that his third strong attack highly resembles the mimihage!! And that is the Beyond Bankai part of this power, it’s that he’s also channeling some of the mimihage’s power in conjunction with kageoni. That’s how I see it at least.
Now with Yama, I agree with everything you said, and honestly I don’t like it nearly as much lmao, sheerly cause you need something crazy to be Beyond zanka no tachi. Imo they should’ve given him blue or even white fire to really elevate it to that status.
I think Shunsui’s form being more like his shikai makes sense when you look at his bankai. He never seemed to really like his bankai, and considered it kind of a last resort self sacrifice move. Its extremely somber and is essentially uncontrollable as it would attack friend and foe in its AOE. So this beyond form takes the powers of his Shikai, that aren’t as tragic, and fully amplifies and concentrates it into this more powerful form. Unlike his bankai, this is him choosing to protect Soul Society, while also making sure he will stay to continue to protect it.
Its a bit sad that all the time he was kind of Yamamoto's glorified watch dog... Once Yama was gone he had nothing left to live for apparently. Meanwhile, Byakuya got to have his gruesome, dramatic death-moment, while also surviving and not loose his powers or sth... Shinigami really aren't created equal
Keep up the awesome work :)
If Thorfinn from Vinland Saga went to Soul Society He'd be Reborn as part of Wolfman Clan
I mean his great grandfather was a beast too though, did he also undergo the human transformation sometime long ago? Is that why he is so bitter? I mean his great grandfather has battle scars himself too, there was also that flash back of the original gotei 13, 2000 years ago that has a similar build to that of Sajin (granted not that you see any of them but it is fun to think about regardless)
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I’m just so curious
What did Captain Mayuri find in Szayel Aporro Granz’s lab.
Who were the two bodies hanging.
Komamura was my favorite character in bleach! Happy to hear someone else liked him too haha
Amazing video as always
I really liked how you explained this
It would have been interesting to connect the wolfmen who were trying to avenge the soul king. A missed opportnity.
It would be so amazing to see a movie centred around the wolfman clan to really get all the lore behind their existence
That’ll do doggo, that’ll do. You may rest now. *headpat*
Idk why but when you said "Or in Byakuya's case, trying to survive. Had gotten a good chuckle from me lol
Personally, I always thought of the transformation as something similar to Super Saiyan 3 back during the Majin Buu arc in Dragon Ball Z. During the tournament and when Buu is resurrected, Goku is still dead and dead people have a limited time they're allowed back on Earth. When Goku showed that form to both Goten and Trunks, it greatly shorten the time that he was allowed to be on Earth. I always thought this might be a similar case with Komamura. Perhaps he could have kept the humanoid form for much longer if he didn't go into Bankai. He honestly had no reason to but again, he wasn't thinking with the clearest mindset and that probably contributed greatly into his decision to use Bankai. Actually, that's also something similar that happened with Nel. She knew she had to use her resurrection form but also understood that it would put an incredible strain on her body after finally becoming an adult again so shortly ago.
I love Komamura's human form ❤ l loved his desing, his character and never saw him as a joke
His clan's backstory even inspirated me to add some extra in my currect side story.
The more intresting thing is, what was that sin? It needed to be something really bad, since it cursed not only the original siners, but the whole clan. Mayby its conected to the sin that soul society did? (traping soul king)
Because i can't image it being simply murder
So if the elder “feeds off” the act of revenge then... what about the rest of the clan? There’s obviously others so... if this is a vicious cycle perpetrated by the elder then who are they all getting revenge on the shinigami?
My best guess is that he went after Bambietta because of her nearly killing Izuru.
Huh? It was Bazz-b who did that to izuru. Probably because she stole his bankai
Is Komamura able to speak after he changes into his pure beast form at the end? Like his elder. Or is he forever mute like an animal?
It's unclear if his elder could speak to normal humans or if it was because Komamura was part beast. In other words, there is a case to be made that he can't speak and neither could his elder
@@Malthizar in CFYOW he can't normally, but instead he needs an intermediary who understands their clans' language. He talks to Iba with the help of twin wolf boys, who translated his words to Iba.
Always assumed he was typical Komamura and mentally reflected on Bambietta's death, accidentally taking away from his own lust for vengeance, causing the curse to accelerate.
He was just too good of a person to truly utilize the ability, and I bet if Kubo goes for the Hell arc, we see Iba kill gramps, and Sajin regain some form of intelligence, potentially even the ability to become human for bursts.
In reference to The Hell of Beasts, I think it's very much a real place the same as Hueco Mundo and the Soul Society are real places.
It seems that, when you die, there are potentially 3 places your spirit can go. Good spirits go to SS, bad spirits go to HM, and good spirits that give into revenge go to the Hell of Beasts
As with SS spirits, Hell Beasts can likely have relationships and foster children with one another. These children most likely "inch" closer to being regular humans which is why they stand upright and wear clothes.
Those children, after enough generations, likely can create actual humans that are indistinguishable from regular SS humans.
The issue is that, because they are linked with their vengeance and beastial nature, they likely can't help but give in and revert to being animals.
Kommumora seems to have tried to escape this cycle and left to join the Soul Society. It doesn't seem like there was any actual barrier blocking him from entering. This likely means they "could" join SS whenever that want, but "choose" to stay as beasts (likely because they don't wish to leave and they don't want the persecution)
That's my take on it all, anyway. Hell of Beasts is a real place Ichigo & friends could go if they wanted. It's filled with people who are too good to be bad and too bad to be good and are living in a sort of purgatory. After enough generations they could turn human, but most likely give in to their nature and revert into beasts anyway
After all that you think he lost his zanpakto and can’t call it’s name?! Wasn’t the elder talking out loud?! How crazy would that bankai be?!?! I bet he’s the only one of that clan to ever have zanpakto.
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Komamura in the end turned into the man he was trying to save in Tosen...
Not exactly. Tosen threw away all his friends in pursuit of revenge. He betrayed everything he said he stood for and became a hollow.
Komamura followed Yamamoto's path.
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@@Gevaudan1471 But both of them were swallowed by this idea of vengeance. The path to it was bit different but the in the end both of them were victims of revenge.
Brillaint video. I think you are right that vengence is a key theme to Komamura´s arc and the culture of his clan. Surely tgough, as the humanising ritual is about bringing them back to their original state for a short time as an immortal human, the crime the clan may have been guilty off was attaining perpetual mortal life. Those who do not die and flow in the circle of souls lead to the stagnation and imballance of the three worlds. A high crime indeed. No?
I always thought that the transformation ended because his grandfather ate is heart, I would assume that was the timer.
Do toshiro character analysis next
i wonder if other wolfmen will appear in burn the the witch,
could fit the fairy tail theme witches and werewolves
Well it two showed 🐶 pups or kid beast from his clan. It be cool if to sajins point there all accepted and they became soulreapers. And can do the techniques without the drawbacks.
Yeah, there are several people who have accepted him regardless of his appearance. The head captain, Tousen, his lieutenant, his squad probably, and the bulk of the main cast of characters. Hell Chad probably can relate to him because he is also a giant man who is sometimes viewed as a monster especially with the Hollow / Fullbring powers he has.
He's a good boy 🥺
I think the words used by elder signifies that young komumura rejected the whole vengeance thing but after he succumbed to that the elder rejoices that his clans ways are not lost. Him giving his heart is literal and metaphorical. Him giving up his code to become as rest of his family. Like coming of the son back. I also do not think there is some trigger to it. It's about how long one is able to keep the transformation
could the hell of beasts be wueco mundo and the hollow realm, because Instinct was the lesson of hollow ichigos speech about the king and his horse. but that would be weird if they got banished their without being hollows, in a way when they remove their heart they get a hollow hole in their chest.
Make a video on ichigo’s dad
Your video's are the best regarding bleach will you ever do one piece?
never read the manga and spoilers don't bother me, new to the channel, this info is pretty cool, i always thought he was a fox person of some type bc of his colorization... wolf never crossed my mind not even once.
It's a shame there's nothing really about the Wolfman Clan (or any family) in Bleach. There's a bunch of world-building but nothing to grasp onto. Wish Bleach would dive into its own history much like what Naruto did. Uchiha, Hyuga, Senju, and even a side character from the Kaguya clan have some importance in the world. Bleach we get Kuchiki and Shiba and not even a lot about them besides 1 or 3 characters from each retrospective clan. Like I'm so curious about the Noble families in Bleach, what are the Shihōin like? What about Kisuke's family? Why did he grow up in the Shihōin Mansion? These would have been answered in Naruto. Maybe there will be more books that explore the characters but I doubt that.
Yeah but why was Yoruichi a cat?
Secret shioin clan stuff probably
b/c Kisuke likes cats, so it's convenient lol