Starmer’s First Week & The Future Of The Conservatives
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- What has Keir Starmer’s new cabinet promised so far? What’s next for France after voters mobilised to stop Marine Le Pen’s far-right party from gaining power? Who is Iran’s new President, Masoud Pezeshkian?
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00:00 Intro
01:51 Reflections on Election Night
04:56 Appointment of ministers and setting a new tone
10:54 AI, Identity Cards & Blair’s advice for the new Labour government
19:31 First acts of Foreign Policy
22:23 The future of the Tory party
31:05 Rory and Alastair will not become cheerleaders
34:15 Results of the second round of the French election
42:41 Looking back at recent French election results
46:13 How should Macron govern now?
49:43 The death of the Iranian President and who is replacing him?
59:16 Outro
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Was this film in Rory daughter room
@@afctaylor12 Hotel in France.
@@afctaylor12 creepy comment.
Rory appears to have had a sleepover at Barbie's house.
😂 it’s Relais Saint-jaques hotel
😂
Would help if he had made his bed 🤣
@@Lachsa-3179😂
French Barbie, who comes with extras.
As an ex-Army officer Rory, I would expect better bed making. Reshow! Thank you both for the podcast!
Does the army do duvets?
lol - this did cross my mind
I was wondering if it was a fake background
I'd like to know what Alastair is drinking.
@@eshaibraheem4218 coconut water
That's not a hotel, it's a doll's house. Rory is actually really, really small.
He's inside one of the pots. No wonder he paid so much!
At least right now, the publicly available version of ChatGPT absolutely cannot be relied upon to collate and analyse factually correct information. It is a language model, not a fact-checking machine or super smart computer. In both the US and UK, some lawyers have been punished and/or disbarred for using ChatGPT for legal research and consequently ending up with completely fabricated cases. Similarly, in academia, ChatGPT has a tendency to provide academic bibliographies that sound legit (i.e. featuring last names of actual authors in the field) but do not actually exist. Relying on it for any kind of research is therefore completely counter-productive. Additionally, widespread adoption of similar programmes by government departments could pose an information security risk, given we don't exactly know how companies like OpenAI store and utilise conversation histories.
Exactly, much like google, it can only be a tool for good in the hands of someone able to check the result. Our big problem is people that don't care about accuracy and just want to make convincing text (disinformation).
Please for the love of god don't let the AI tech bros near the NHS with their incredibly expensive privacy-destroying technology. AI is very unreliable and not at all ready for critical activities like health.
yeah it would be a colossal disaster, the company I work for has forced it on us and it's literally useless.
ChatGPT is a glorified search engine, but one with the ability to just make stuff up on the spot.
That is objectively worse.
I can't remember the last time I saw a gravestone with the words. 'He lived an efficient life. "
I would have that on my gravestone. You should see how slick and Critical Path my making of a flat white is in the morning. Except I've told my Girlfriend that's she's *_absolutely not_* to waste money on a gravestone for me....
With every sensible move and statement Keir Starmer's Labour Party put out, my incredulity at how unfit to govern the UK the tories were in the last fourteen years is only reinforced.
I'm so relieved that down-to-earth and intelligent political undertakings are happening on behalf of the people now ... and not in the interests of the so-called elite and wealthy.
Let's no pretend that Labour aren't controlled by the elites and wealthy. All mainstream politics is.
Yeah. This stuff should be like plumbing and wiring.
Basic competent administration and very few (if any) horrible surprises.
I didnt vote for labour and im not starmers biggest fan, but i will happily admit his demeanour so far in office has been a breath of fresh air that made me realise I was suffocating
David Cameron sounded perfectly fine after one week in office when he hadn’t done anything yet. Actions not words.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986problem with Cameron.....He carried on doing nothing......apart from his totally unnecessary Austerity-on-speed and began the meltdown of All our Public Services .....then totally Buggered up with his Brexit campaign fiasco.....
I absolutely love the appointment of James Timpson to Prisons Minister.
It’s a fantastic way to show support for ex-prisoners and belief in rehabilitation post-prison.
Yh that's it let's support convicts rather than the law abiding.
@@Edward-cv2gw It's about rehabilitation, which has been quite lacking in british justice.
What would you prefer - masses of people who are out of work or in low paying jobs(so low that they need to claim benefits and predisposed to commit crime again due to poverty) or masses of people who broke the law in the past but are now able to be productive members of society and contributers to taxes?
I hate this idea that because someone breaks the law that society should discard them. If they have served their punishment already, why punish them more once they enter society again?
This non rehabilitation approach just doesn't make sense, even from a right wing perspective(where you toss the individual humanity of ex-convicts aside).
@Chris47368 but that's the whole point. If they're being let out 40% into their sentence, then they haven't served their punishment.
@@Edward-cv2gw Well blame that on tory incompetence over the last 14 years. Regardless - your argument still doesn't make sense and it still doesn't discount how ex convicts before this prison crisis have been historically treated by society.
If these people are not supported once they leave prison then what options are these people left with that doesn't leave them in poverty with very poor material conditions? That is still going to incentivise them to commit more crime to supplement their income, leading to endless cycles of crime, imprisonment and release.
Our current "tough on crime" approach just doesn't make sense economically nor on the humane perspective. Look at the US who have implemented this approach more radically than elsewhere, look how they have treated people who break the law and how they are treated by society once released.
It has worked very well for the US, hasn't it? High crime rates, high reconviction rates and the largest prison population in the world.
@Chris47368 I'm not saying they don't have the right to be rehabilitated though ? I agree that once released from their sentence they should be supported and not stigmatised. The question at hand is whether they should be released early,to the extent that not even half their sentence has been served which I disagree with strongly. I know the left will say it's logistics and an administrative decision but I'm sceptical of that. We all know the left have always been soft on criminals whether you agree with that or not.
I'm an AI engineer..... concerns are exactly that: Fake information delivered in a coherent and convincing way!
The country doesn't want exciting, we want boring & uneventful for a very long while after all the toxic politics we've had to endure over recent years.
Well we want some fresh ideas and things to feel invigorated about politically instead of ground down into despondence and resigned ennui.
Toxic politics isn't the biggest issue people are facing. I don't want boring, boring won't decrease the number of people using food banks, or the number of people blaming immigration on their problems, boring won't raise wages and create opportunities for social mobility.
Agreed. We need the equivalent of a 1990s Toyota; bland but reliable.
speak for yourself.
Competent efficient government should produce no 'drama'.
I voted Green and didn't like Labour in the run up but it feels good to have a sense of hope and change on the way.
I know, believe labour have always voted for them and this time I voted green. I’m not sure I trust drama but his appointments are very encouraging.
Same here. I'm not happy about their stance on a few issues that are important to me, but early indicators are leaving feeling optimistic that things may change for the better. There's a lot of good people being appointed in to positions of power that all seem to have their hearts and minds in the right place!
I am curious I don't particularly want to argue or change your position but I would like to know specifically what you saw in the greens that you felt labour didn't offer. And whether ignoring the likelihood you genuinely believe a green lead government would perform better or whether it was a vessel for voicing discontent with an aspect of labour in its current form you didn't agree with.
"In the pink" is how I'm chosing to sum up this particular episode of The Rest is Politics.
I loved you guys on channel four, Nadine Doris was fuxcking hilarious, she has no SHAME.
It was nice being reminded how fucking mental Ann Widecombe is
Yes, but get Palantir , out of our NHS. Peter Thiel should never be trusted.
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!
@@Sue-g3d OMG, I'm so excited that you know what it is.
Peter Thiel is an absolute legend
Fun fact Palantir is named after the evil crystal ball Saruman uses in Lord of The Rings. Peter Thiel also was one of Trumps largest donors and has also given money to other election denying GOP politicians.
@@theJACKATIC he's a ghoul. Living proof that billionaires should not exist
AI should be about supporting British workers to increase productivity, not replacing them. There's no economic sense in forcing more people into unemployment or poverty
I think AI in the NHS would cost tens of billions of pounds and probably deliver nothing at this stage. The engineering is really, really difficult. Someone not in the field of software engineering, like Rory, can see that potential - we all can - but lacks the experience to really understand how hard that is to realise.
It's a bit like fusion. the fundamental research is hugely exciting but that breakthrough moment is still some distance away. Same with automated driving etc.
The point where you could get a prescription or a referral from a robot and radically improve healthcare overnight is a long way away. It will be much harder than politicians think.
AI being both reliable and cheap enough to replace doctors is even further into the future than GB ever joining the EU
One problem with Blair's comment is that it comes from Blair. Starmer has to be perceived as being his own man. He may have had ideas for AI (etc.) but now Blair's comments make that more difficult. There is a reason the ex-PMs step away from policy.
If your political class is like our political class... They want their own center right puppets being listened to... Not actual Lefty reformers.
And of course George w bush it's probably too old to tell Blair what to think and do now
The sense of relief and pure joy that Labour is in power is overwhelming.
Oh sweet summer child.
Totally agree
Is it what about these dingy divers iam not sure if they don't they won't hv another chance with me I'll go fir Reform
There is absolutely nothing Left-Wing about Tory-Starmer's Pseudo Labour Government.
@@user-gr7nx1lr8t Jolly good.
Imma be a dick: Istanbul is not a capital
ANKARA MESSI
Name some other factual errors they have made?
Neither it is European
@@keksimus__maximus It was European when it was the capital of the Roman Empire
@keksimus__maximus Istanbul spans Europe and Asia. It's not a Capital but is partly in Europe
1:28 Alistair Campbell, playing bagpipes on the Bosphorus: the most unexpectedly random combination of things I've ever seen.
I really strongly feel you guys need to get an AI expert on who is *not funded by industry*.
On a personal level, my main gripes with AI are
1) People use it to write trash online without checking its correctness, so my google/bing searches are cluttered with spam nonsense
2) It doesn't only hallucinate, it also creates too much confidence in users that the data is correct and complete, which is especially dangerous in the hands of very new professionals who don't have enough experience to know what nonsense results look like
3) It does tasks that are either unhelpful to me, or tasks I want to do (thank goodness AI has taken creating visual art off my hands eh?)
4) People conflate it with other computer tools which are much further along, and more helpful (brilliant automated parametric design tools for example)
5) It removes some of the benefit of doing a task manually - I don't only do a literature review to collate knowledge in one place, I also do it so that information is in my head and prompts questions/learning/creativity
What seems to be indicated is that language model AIs like ChatGPT can't replace human work roles as it simply isn't trustworthy enough. It's productivity boost comes at the expense of accuracy, lowering the value of its output below profitability (or in other words, it's worse than useless!). I suspect that AI's future in many workplaces is better as tools employed by a professional who knows what a wrong and right answer from an AI looks like. AIs would in that case be best not left to automate a task, but to form a department of digital assistants who report back to their human "manager" when an assigned task is completed.
But humans are hardly a gold standard for efficiency and accuracy. The philosophical question to ask is do we begin to rely on AI judgement only when their judgement becomes machine flawless, or when their judgement is better than that of a trained human? Mistakes will be made, but if AI makes them less - is that enough?
But outside of computer labs deep learning AI is still a new and novel thing to society with potential as wide as an ocean but applicability as shallow as a paddling pool. If AI development were likened to a car I'm not even sure we've seen the Model T Ford version of it come along yet. I think it's safe to assume whatever shortcomings it currently suffers from, it will improve in the near future.
Your obsolete whining is irrelevant. You should try learning a bit more before trotting out your bullshit.
@@CountScarlioniit issue with it impoving is so far to impove it they have mostly used a bigger data set there will soon be not enouth data to train it, and then the 2nd point that will stop it, right now the amount of GPUs power and water to cool said GPU is unsatainable each use of Chat GPT costs 36 cents for the free users, so once investment money stops and open AI has to charge people the real cost of maybe £100s you will see it will fall back to more niche uses
@@carlmartinez7532 Yes, I guess that's something I hadn't considered. The preposterous energy demands of AI could well see it hit a hard limit to mass adoption. Computer technologies already demand something like 10% of all human energy generation if I remember right.
Still, it could be a spur to creating data centres using 100% renewables for a power supply which would be no bad thing.
You're right. "AI" is a wildly misleading name, so it helps to be more specific. Large Language Models are bullshit generators with ludicrous energy demands. Machine learning to distinguish 50 kinds of pastry or 100 kinds of galaxy or pick out cancer cells is useful. Neither of these things is at all close to any plausible definition of "intelligence" - that's just marketing. Sean Carroll (the cosmologist) has done two recent podcasts on the subject with experts who really work in the field, and both were very clear that none of this is intelligence or anything like it.
Second honeymoon Rory? Visiting all the French polling booths! Mrs Stewart has my sympathies!
He was with his son…
just as well that their accommodation and private dining (including Dom Perignon) is covered by someone else
You should visit a French polling station if you want to see how to run a democratic anonymous election.
Unlike the joke system in UK.
Rory's techno-optimism in 2024 is mind-boggling.
I suspect he's not actually very tech literate
Techno-optimism? Sounds like a fun night out in the early 90s smashed on MDMA.
@@d2d2505 Rory if you ever read this there is a livestreamer named DougDoug who has this great video where he got a modified version of chatgpt to complete a childrens game from the 90s and it is hilarious - the video is over 2 hours long so you probably wont want to watch the whole thing but full disclosure the bot took like 9 hrs to beat a children's game that can be completed in under 10 minutes
Jeez, you sound like you're about 85yrs old
@@d2d2505 Au contraire, they actually talked about that exact thing!
As someone who works with AI, I honestly don't think that Rory (or, indeed, Tony Blair) fully understands the challenges involved in deploying these technologies in a transformative way. It seems to me that politicans are desperate for an easy solution to the complex problems we face today, and - in their lack of awareness and supplication to the hype from tech CEOs desperate to pump their stocks and capture investment funds - they have latched on to AI as a desperate panacea. Quite frankly, AI is - for a variety of reasons - not going to be the transformative revolution people are hoping for any time soon. We're going to have to deal with the short-to-medium term problems in far more conventional terms.
I'm clear on why AC supports Labour, but I'm not at all clear why RS remains a conservative. Reverence for the monarchy alone does not a conservative make. Yet when pressed, this respect for tradion is the first, last and middle reason RS lists. In fact, Sir Keir's brand of Labour politics (thus far) seems far more conservative than anything espoused in Rory's brand of Tory politics.
By a margin the best podcast on British politics, at least seen from here on the other side of the North Sea. Informative, courteous, at times somewhat mischievous, but never ever boring. What more can you ask?
Dorries was like a stroppy teenager Arguing with her parents. Added nothing, like she did in parliament.
AI has its utility, but being someone who specialised in machine learning, people who don't know much about how AI work put far, far too much stock in it. In terms of text-to-text generative AI, you can absolutely use it as a tool to help speed you up in some ways, but you can never trust the facts it gives you.
Channel 4's coverage was the most entertaining channel to watch the election
Nadine Dories kept reminding everyone why the tories had to go
I really hope you're excluding the brain drain that is gogglebox...
Yes, fair play Chamnel 4 did a very good job.
Inwayched abit of the BBC coverage kn iplayer a few days ago, it was terribley dull and no good guests.
@@andrewharrison7767 yeah I didn't watch those parts
I watched on mute. Lol
I recently used Chat GPT to tell me what laws, if any, cover where people canvassing can stand outside of a polling station. And sadly it made a complete horlicks of it. It directed me to a piece of legislation and even gave me the chapter reference. Amazing. I decided to check this and it wasn't anything of the sort. So informed it of the mistake and it confessed yes, it had made a mistake and gave me another chapter reference. Wrong again. A couple of tries later it informed me there isn't a law and it's covered by the electoral commission. Had I trusted the first answer I'd have been misinformed. And that's my concern currently. Huge amounts of potential but it's not always correct in what it comes back with. As long as the user is aware of this then great. But I fear AI will be pitched as a perfect solution to users who may not consider checking what it's telling them.
Exactly AI is still too much hype.
This is my deep concern with AI as well. How well equipped are the users of it in critically evaluating the response they receive, as Rory said he was careful to do/attempt? The opacity of the training data and what time period it covers and stops at, is also a massive issue. To fully evaluate it, as an exam assessor would to a dissertation, you need AI to know in itself and be able to tell you the exact sources of all the material and arguments it churns out so you can go and double check it for accuracy. But it can't, either because information it's leant on has all been amalgamated into one huge splodge which it can't separate out, or because in some instances the developers don't want it made public what exact sources they've trained it on as it may infringe copyright or similar. It's therefore a technology that has to be treated with very deep scepticism. And if it is to be implemented in public services like the NHS, there must be full disclosure and consultation with the main stakeholders - the public who use it - because there are big issues with things like accessibility and inbuilt bias which are not being addressed by tech companies and just being forced onto people.
As a software architect with extensive experience in complex systems, I dont share the view that AI in its present form can be of much use at all to either the public or the private sector. Sorry, Rory. In any situation where an organisation is accountable, there needs to be a way to explain, step by step, the rationale for one's decisions. The large language models (LLMs) available now simply cannot do that (though Anthropic is working on explainability in its as yet unreleased product). And even with explainability, any service that people depend on for their lives, health or livelihoods would have to be rigourously validated, and that cannot be done by an AI system marking its own work-- it'll take expensive humans who are experts in their fields. Because of this, I expect that there will be some small-scope roll-out of AI applications during Labour's term in office, but limited and slow adoption for any service that actually matters to people's lives. Blair was always one to get in early on a hype curve, and I think he's done it again in this instance.
Hearing Rory endorse Jeremy Hunt was a real challenge for my appreciation of the way he thinks and talks about politics
Well, he is a Tory, so it's hardly surprising.
"I think the names they call you are right, Mr. Hunt."
He should just switch to Lib Dems at this point, better chance of them getting back in government than the Tory's, and much closer to his actual political ideology
That's where I can't support him on Jeremy Hunt was as damaging as Liz Truss .😂
I agree however let's agree as humans none of us will be 💯, but you so right Jeremy Hunt !😒
Just wanted to say thanks to the TRIP team for excellent coverage on election night. Very enjoyable.
As a naturalised French woman I cried on Sunday. It had been such an anxious few weeks. The visual that came up on screen as the announcement was made was confusing. If was a Pie type chart and the coloured areas showed RN in the lead yet the numbers show different. It took quite a few seconds to comprehend the reality. What a relief and I can cope with chaotic gov for a while.
As for UK! Wow. Exhilerating and I've talked for days about how amazing it feels now there the grown ups are back in charge. The effing Tories (sorry Rory) have been treating the commons like a common room/gentlemans club. Thanks for your pod casts.
OMG Rory….James Cleverly, I think you’re way off track, another tory with no substance. Not that I care, frankly had enough of the lot of them. So refreshing to have grown up, serious politicians back in charge, they will I’m sure have a few setbacks but the direction of travel, strategy and focus seems the right one.
BTW, can someone please tell Kwasi Kwarteng to get a job, he seems to be on every news/politics programme at the moment, has the man no humility.
Ankara is the capital, not Istanbul.
Totally agree re Timpson, have so much respect for that company.
"I was playing the bagpipes on the Bosporus last night", that's why I'm subscribed.
I think Boris and Cameron and others are all part of the downfall
Dorries ruined the ch4 coverage.
I was actually a big fan 😂 not of her views, but something to laugh at
I enjoyed the comic relief !
You are obviously not aware how important Dorries thinks she still is
@@MrJohnyysmith Well, as long as nobody else things so.
Rory sounds just like the Post Office managers who believed everything the Horizon system was telling them. Just because ChatGPT can give you an analysis that you can't, doesn't mean it is correct.
A lot of politicians seem to have this idea that computers are magic and will solve everything. Like the 'technological solution' to the Irish border.
Hard Disagree, as he said: It's like having an excellent grad student passing you information to digest. If you're stupid enough to take ChatGPT at it's word then that's on you - Just like some idiot handing you a file and saying that's what you need to know on X.
Human + Chat GPT = Good
Idiot + Chat GPT = Bad
All to do with the User.
He said right after that that you do have to factcheck what it gives you.
I'm starting to explore the power and potential of AI tools like Chat GPT and there are real benefits to be had from using the tools effectively plus serious limitations and risks of their misuse.
this guy is boomer as fuck
The mandatory house building targets to be implemented in England is an experiment that was tried and failed before, and will not deliver the housing at the rate promised. The largest housebuilders tend to hold the power by landbanking sites and slowing production to "manage supply" and keep profits up. Planning Authorities are often unfairly scapegoated for lack of delivery.
Small and medium scale housebuilders can deliver much needed housing, but are vulnerable to buyouts and mergers.
Barratt Homes is currently subject to an inquiry by the CMA over the merger with Redrow in order to establish if it harms competition.
Respect to Rory for knowing the iranian presidents ethnicity
To make savings in the NHS we need to talk about the cost of end of life care.
What end of life care? They stick you in a ward, don't feed or give you a drink, then fill you with morphine until you go. I watched my partner go that way. The ward was full of dying people. Because he fell on the stairs and got bruised, until he woke up from the morphine and explained, they spent 3 days of accusing me of hurting the man I'd loved for 32 years. Care? What care?
@@battybibliophile-Clare That’s just awful. My mother died 5 months ago, and only got any attention at all because her husband stayed by her bedside nearly 24/7. Before she got too ill she spent her time advocating for other patients. Our end of life care is too expensive, inhumane, and often just extends people’s lives for a few more weeks/months with a really poor quality of life. We need to look at saying goodbye to people sooner with more dignity. I also understand why this might also cause pain and also be politically impossible. But we can’t keep paying more and more forever into a part of the NHS that can never really ‘work’.
@@noobling8313I'm so sorry about your mother. I did the same as her husband. , I took him in food and drink, but morphine makes you sleep all the time. He died after 5 days in hospital. When they found out he hadn't been beaten by me, the doctor just shrugged and said "it's the law''. I told him he made the worse experience of my life worse. He just swept out in a huff. I agree the system helps no one, is expensive and to my mind little short of state sponsored euthanasia.
This has been the best thing to happen to Conservative party, moggs and these sorts of groups in parry need to go. Totally reset members and start fresh
At the bottom end of society (retired) I can’t stand a voice I know isn’t human and as for chat lines when I need to ask a question it’s hopeless. They can’t answer. You lot sit here and see if it’s so funny. As for my older friends who are incredibly not into the whole thing they are being frozen out with less and less hope of being warmed up!
Great episode. Would you consider doing a deep dive into thoughts on NHS and social care reform? Particularly the different models that exist in comparable economies, Labour’s plans and the challenges ahead, etc
There are many many reasons not to use a tool like Chat GPT. Among the biggest: (1) it is “taught” by stealing the work of creators without compensation and replacing them, (2) it doesn’t actually know anything; it has no way to distinguishing between truths and untruths.
Number two is correct. Number one is absolutely not. Large language models learn the same way you do. Imagine a Picasso painting in your head. You learned to create that image in exactly the same way that large language models do.
@@charlesreid9337that doesn’t at all address what I said.
@@charlesreid9337 the model can do pattern matching but it doesn’t have any way of knowing what a painting is. It has no way of knowing who Picasso is or even that he is a person. Or what a person is. It that he was a painter. Or what a painter is. Or what makes a painting a Picasso painting. Or think through the consideration that “Picasso painting” might mean something in one context but something else in another context. It doesn’t know the difference between a real Picasso painting and a fake Picasso painting. It doesn’t know what “real” and “fake” are. Ot doesn’t know that those worlds might mean different things in different contexts. It doesn’t know whether the data that has been fed to it is reliable. It doesn’t know what “reliable” is. It doesn’t know anything. It has no way of having a conversation with you to explain these concepts or to define particular contexts. It’s not an intelligence by any stretch of the meaning of intelligence.
Slightly disappointed with the simplistic views from Rory especially. There is no single way of rejoining even the single market. What Labour are already doing is to bring in measures and alignments with Europe to build up towards this final goal. This is a very mature and sensible way of completing this goal and hopefully the country will feel some benefits rather than waiting 10 years to finally get back in.
Indeed
Absolutely spot on.
Well rejoining the EU was central policy for snp, look how well they did lol
I don’t want back in. I voted leave and would do the same again.
Sadly, I think the more you listen to Rory the more you realise that he isn't the great intellect we all imagined/hoped/idealised he was.
I still think he's several rungs above the average Tory MP though.
None-IT people in the press and policy-making really need to familiarise themselves with the concept of the Gartner Hype curve, which will helpd them understand the current hype about AI versus likely reality...anyone who has worked in IT for a decent length of time will know from history that AI is currently massively overhyped and very unlikely to deliver many of the things being discussed now. In fact, with the massive cost of it versus the tiny income companies are generating from it, there's a fair chance large parts of it will disappear altogether.
Just need to add more block-chain and it will be AI OK.
I completely agree. I wrote my dissertation on machine learning five years ago and from the noise you hear you'd expect ai to have come on massively since then, and even though it has improved not to the degree people assume.
We're currently at a point where people expect in two years ai will be able to do just about anything, but new AI technology is at a bit of a plateau, and AI generated content is actually self-cannibalising and producing worse output.
It's a very useful tool in certain sectors such as software engineering, but isn't going to change society much more in two years than it does currently.
Did you see Dispatches TV programme recently that showed the effect of AI manipulated political statements had on 12 undecided voters?
Maybe that is not 'full blown' AI, I don't know, but it's effects now are very scary imo.
Have you seen the advances in science brought by AI in the past 5 years or has your focus been on the commercial applications?
@@DingLiren-nw2vj I am not an IT specialist, (though I am an academic who’s worked and taught in communiction ‘science’ (not my choice to call it that)), but the self-cannabilising aspect always seemed to me to be one of the main issues with the development of AI. I have other questions, such as how is ‘new’ information weighed against older information, for instance. Is old info prioritised simply because it is repeated more often and therefore there are more sources out there saying the same thing? Or, is a single study seemingly showing older literature/studies/sources are false immediately taken as gospel? I’m assuming the answer lies somehwere in the middle, and all info will be weighted somehow, but in real life how you would weigh sources is very context-dependent (e.g. in academia: are sources industry-funded? Effect size, and other statistical contexts, of course, but also (very important) operationalising of concepts, and how exactly was the control operationalised (e.g. compared to what?)? I can’t imagine AI is able to take all this into account, including political contexts and etc…. I remain reluctant to use it until I have a better understanding of how to weigh the info AI passes on to me.
'Bagpipes on the Bosphorus' needs to be a book immediately.
To remind you and the rest of Britain, The UK is part of Europe. It just left the EU, not Europe.
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I voted for Labour for the first time (usually Lib Dem) based on what was in (or not in) the Labour manifesto. I'll be royally pissed off if they start getting radical like the Tories have been scaremongering us about for a long time. It should be deeply condemned to implement the opposite of something that was in your manifesto.
Would love to see Keir ask Rory to join Timpson on prison reform..I think he'd jump at the opportunity .
There was a little part of me that wondered if conversations were going on behind the scenes that would have had Rory back as prisons minister or something in the foreign office. Not quite in the end, but I do wonder if we'll see him back in public service in some form. He clearly feels frustrated being out on the sidelines as a commentator.
@@BobSmith-s7j I recall Alastair asking him would he respond positively if asked to be involved in the new govt..I believe he hinted that he would .
Boris Johnson was in the Bullingdon club, an exclusive student's club that has a reputation for smashing up restaurants and settling up damages on the spot. Not a club for a student on a scholarship.
Rory Toies levelling up was mirage.
A policy the Tories never ever had any intention of delivering.
It was just an attempt to claw back tory voters in tory councils
Indeed. HS2 cancellation. Not one hospital built or refurbished (a manifesto promise). Tories are shameless liars and grifters.
Probably. However the most successful slogans catch the zeitgeist, no? If the population finds something to aspire to, then it is worth considering implementation. "Levelling up" is a very good way of talking about solutions to inequality, individual, regional and even international.
A mirage, but at least it started the conversation. Said as someone who left London and (later the UK ) ironically because it because a place so successful that it became unliveable. Germany was previously a model of a country with many centres, we have so much more to offer our citizens if we spread the wealth.
In other words, a con
I got quite annoyed by Rory using ChatGPT for a number of reasons
1. I listen to Rory because of his knowledge and experience, to see him using ChatGPT makes me suspicious of the value of what he's saying. I suppose he's using his own judgement whether or not to repeat anything that shown up on ChatGPT on a broadcast but it's still disappointing it's not from his own head.
2. Rory was broadcasting on channel 4 and surely had the ability to engage with researchers backstage, if it was a teams chat to people googling things for him that would be totally fine but taking AI information as "good enough" to me is giving it too much validity
Having tested ChatGPT and seen how woeful it is in giving the correct answer I might just have an outlook on it that is very negative.
It was hopeless in identifying pasta (and movies) from descriptions.
It's cestini, you numpty! / Ah, I see! Thank you for clarifying. "Cestini" translates to "little baskets" in Italian, and it indeed refers to a pasta shape that resembles small open baskets. Cestini pasta is similar in size and texture to conchiglie but with a less ribbed surface, creating a smoother appearance. Thank you for your patience, and I'm glad we could identify the pasta shape you were looking for! ("we"!!!)
You "tested" ChatGPT and it wasn't to your liking? Well that's billions down the drain, eh?
Seriously, there are very useful specific applications for AI that will be worthwhile (image processing for medical or engineering diagnostics for example).
The general knowledge case is going to depend on you,
I use AI daily in my work (albeit I use CoPilot, not ChatGPT).
What it allows for me to do is ask a simple question and get information that can help me find a solution when I'm stuck. It's just a more efficient way to search the Internet.
I still have to decide how to use it's outputs, so it doesn't do it for me. But it's highly efficient. Gone are the days of looking online for an answer for an hour, it now takes five minutes.
@@SuezWSuezW I think the AI that was being developed for medical image processing is extremely useful. I use that in my work already (for cell segmentation). Large language models could be a useful adjunct for contextual understanding, interactivity and report generation. But if your tumor resembles an obscure pasta it might be less useful. 😜
@@fburton8 "I think the AI that was being developed for medical image processing is extremely useful." What concerns me is that AI sometimes makes terrible errors and it isn't always possible to tell. It seems like the government want to fire medical personnel and replace them with AI on the cheap. That could kill people.
I’m still getting my head around the fact that we have grown ups in charge with actual experts like Patrick Vallance being given ministerial posts.
What a contrast? It’s so brilliant. I feel hope again.
David Lammy is foreign secretary. David. Lammy. Let that sink in.
@@supercriceto After Raab, Truss and Cameron in that post the No10 Cat would have raised the intellectual standards.
What's the point of electing MPs when the leader of a party can just appoint unelected civilians as ministers?
Valance (and the others) could've continued to work for the new Government without the need for peerages and ministerial appointments. This is undemocratic; it's literally autocratic.
Part of the reason many of us hate AI is just how much energy it uses to be able to run.
"Why would anyone be upset at me using chatgpt?"..... "Its like having an incredibly bright graduate student at my finger tips" 😂😂😂😂
Oh and Nadine Dorries on C4! WTF!
My issue with chatgpt is the amount of power and water consumption it uses for each search. It's why in work I use it with care and attention for very specific purposes.
I think another issue with chatGPT is that you are being paid to be their for your political insights. If you are gettting chatGPT to generate your talking points, then they could have just got a random person on.
is it me or can you feel the happiness that the adults are in charge now.
£25b savings means thousands if not hundreds of thousands of job cuts - what do all those people then go and do? Could only be done in conjunction with higher company taxation to replace the loss of income tax from the ex-employees and introduction of UBI. As usual, all the talk of 'productivity gains' are gains for the companies and not for the population.
Rory is a Tory, after all... (forgive the rhyme - not entirely intentional)😂
Rory you have been a voice of reason in recent years dont blow it now sunshine
Yes blow it with believing AI is accurate.
We don’t need exciting politics, we need politics to be boring.
Tony Blair brings up AI because he wants his donors to profit from the NHS.
I agree AI will be useful but the way its being proposed is just going to benefit the ultra rich owner class rather than the public and workers getting the benefit.
Being a GP playing around with "AI" it is so far off replacing clinicians it seems a ridiculous suggestion really. Honestly these things are in no way intelligent! They are good within strict parameters, for example scans.
But can't you see giving OpenAI all of our personal medical data so that reports can be rewritten in the form of a poem while recommending that patients eat a small rock per day will save the NHS billions?
@@bornach I did put in a referral letter I wrote to a specialist (minus the patients info of course) into it to see what it came out with. It was quite fun spicing it up by asking it to make it more dramatic, especially as you can just keep asking it to ham it up repeatedly. I think eventually it sounded like it should have been read by Vincent Price.
I'm not excited by the labour government, merely relieved.
As time passes I'll be able to better judge their performance.
I'm really excited about the possibility that France's elections can become a model for how we can defeat the far right when they get a little too popular
His argument on ID cards: that there were all these concerns previously about them, misuse of data and so on, that via cameras etc the government already has much more information on people than most would be comfortable with, but now shops, Google etc have managed regardless to amass so much data anyway, so why not add a load more and give it to the people who really are in control. It does not exactly fill me with confidence.
If the Tories want to continue to exist as a party, they need to embrace those towards the centre of the party and not lurch over to the right.
The vast majority of British people exist roughly in the centre. Some skew slightly left or right economically and socially, with a mixed bag of libertarian and authoritarian tendencies across this.
The amount of people embedded well within the right side of the spectrum isn't a majority in thsi country, in the same way those firmly on the left aren't. The British, by nature, are very moderate.
The Tories have to move back towards the centre, stopping the culture wars and rhetoric that demonises the working class. If they do this, they can remain viable. If not, theyll be gone within a decade.
Rory’s naivety towards the myriad ways that systems like ChatGPT can be manipulated is remarkable.
Rory’s a nice guy but he’s still a Tory. He thinks the architects of austerity like Jeremy Hunt and Michael Gove still have something to offer and he’s also a fan of Theresa May and Gillian Keegan so he’s no genius when it comes to judging Tory ministers. I’d like to have heard his views on his hero Cameron cutting and running - again - when things got tough.
I don't like defending Rory but I get the impression that he does not like David Cameron. The phrase I remember him using about Cameron is 'very peculiar judgement'.
@@locorum9103 You’re correct.
I remembered how he admitted to creeping up to Cameron to curry favour but I should have looked a bit harder. He has not been complimentary towards, “Dave.”
If you think David Cameron is his hero, I’d recommend reading ‘Politics On The Edge’
No AI please. That will just take a mess and tie knots in it. It’s the next money hole
Don't forget, you are still part of NATO and also of the Council of Europe. Now, we, in France have always needed you in times of hardship (the free French, for instance). Usually we are not too bad to get out of impossible situation. I hope we will !
Really concerned about Rory's over the top flag waving for AI, he talks as if its already here in a usable form. In the future it may be perfected and be useable but right now and even in the next couple of years it is not at a place it should be intergraded with anything. I have only used AI a handful of times and every time it confidently hallucinated, made up points that can very easily be refuted.
Really important we don't get too sucked into it and it certainly is not at a level to start assisting in medical decision making
Nadine Dorries was legendary telly
Always enjoy your informed opinions
"We didn't have a bank of England moment" Excuse me Alistair, but Shrek 5 just got announced.
@14:15 Nadine may have been under the impression that Boris' father, Stanley, was a tool maker.
Good shot - but may have flown under the radar!
Rory can't be that naive over people's concerns regarding AI in relation to people tripping out over him having Chat GPT open?
Just before that, he was talking about how Blair was saying how Labour need to be much more bolder on AI and how it could end up saving £25 billion in efficiency savings for the NHS. He then followed it up by talking about the job losses and how they'd have to have serious conversations with trade unions. Maybe that's why people are concerned, Rory!
I know you're pretty out of touch with the average person with your pots worth thousands of pounds, but c'mon.
What are these guys on about. NO serious business would use chat GBT! if they want ANY type of security.
The man who is here to explain how politics is meant to work also thinks Istanbul is the Turkish capital.
I'm more surprised that Rory didn't correct him to be honest
@@andrewharrison7767 Rory must think Istanbul is the Turkish capital too. Or he doesn't have the balls to point out this obvious error.
@@dieEiserneHandOr he just does not want to disturb the flow of the podcast
@@arjan2777 Yeah I don't think I would listen to a podcast hosted by the above pedants lol. Who really cares?
@@arjan2777 perhaps, still it’s remarkable that a man with Campbell’s background is so ignorant about an important country like Turkey.
What a beautiful hotel room, Rory. Alastair’s not so much 😂
You boys are really racking up the airmiles! 😊
I love AC's summary of the new Tory leadership hopefuls. If the Conservatives want to mount a serious challenge next time around they need to subscribe to this podcast .
If my husband took me to Paris and showed me round the polling stations he'd be my ex husband!
🤣😂
What about a romantic tour of the sewage works?
Sounds like a good deal for him 😅
@@richardthingsilike9562 Or the Prisons.
Ah, madame you obviously don’t understand romance 🥰
I'm starting to feel the Tories will catapult a chameleon into the leadership race. Someone they can paint their own colours on to suit each passing trend. I give you Chris Philp!🤮
I've thought the same. If they can't make up their mind straight away, they can defer the decision by putting up someone without a strong reputation either way. But I think the factionalism will be too fierce for them to not push forward the leaders of their respective camps.
People are worried that the productivity gains with AI will be owned by private individuals and concentrated at the top.
It’s hard to not come to that conclusion with currently growing inequality that’s not being addressed.
Maybe AI itself needs to taxed. Sounds dumb until you looks at the valuations achieved by AI leaning companies like Nvidia. Yeah it'd be a pain in the ass to implement, but so is VAT.
I'm a pro-ChatGPT person so I'm curious as to what Rory was using it for on election night?
People aren't worried about ChatGPT hallucinating, in the instance Rory mentioned people would likely have been worried that he was using it for the interview. There are a huge amount of issues with prominent public figures and politicians using ChatGPT as a source.
Issues.
Like politicians, AI can make absurd and illogical claims with absolute confidence, so it might just go unnoticed
Hmm?
Rory has a fundamental misunderstanding of AI.
What's his misunderstanding?
Not sure he does, actually
@@TheLaladingdongRory thinks Large Language Models will be made sufficiently reliable within the next 5 years of the current parliament to be used by doctors or to replace doctors in the NHS. This is seriously misguided. There is however a role for machine learning in screening medical scans (flagging tumours in CT scans, for example) but this is very different technology to what goes into ChatGPT.
@@TheLaladingdongChatGPT is an AI language model, it doesn’t *know* anything. It is very good at making convincing sounding answers, but they are not reliable facts, figures or citations. It is good at rewriting text or coding, but it is extremely dangerous to use it as a source of information.
People will not be replaced by AI. People will be replaced by people who know how to use AI.
No one is saying people will be replaced by AI. People's jobs will be replaced by AI.
Peoples jobs will be replaced by newer jobs due to technological advancements - has happened for 1000’s of years
That's bollocks though, a real example that's happening now is a generative voiceover tool replacing a voiceover artist. Learning the tool won't land the VO artist a job because it's being done by someone else already. Fewer human roles is effectively replacing people with AI.
People WILL be replaced by AI in some jobs. The same way word processors reduced the number of office staff
People will be owned by the people who own AI.
What we’ll judge them about…has to also include immigration or else the country will be heading further into a dark place. It took the Tories to push levelling up because Labour would have been castigated over it, and only the Left can deal with an immigration issue that is toxic for the Right. It’s not going away, and I’m pro migration and very much traditional left, but it’s the main European issue of a generation.
as always (leaving illegal migration aside) the bigger issue is a lacking of planning for infrastructure to accommodate migrants, although wage suppression & lack of training are also issues. Since female employment became standard policy in 70s, house prices & childcare costs eradicated any financial benefit, but childbirth rates have fallen - so young migrants are needed; but every European country has faced this
No corporation wants a charismatic CFO - they want one that is good with the ££s - the same is true of our chancellor.
I know Rory really wanted to correct Alastair over Istanbul not being a capital city but he was too polite to do so.
ChatGPT is dodgy at best.
Rory, people don't like Chat GPT because it is a direct threat to their jobs. High unemployment is not a thing we want or need (and frankly, I don't think UBI will help unless the government is willing to put some fairly severe clamps on prices).