I had a bluegrass guitar teacher who was a monster player, but his lessons always boiled down to 'play the chord and mess around with it'. Nice to get some starter ideas on just how to 'mess around with it'! Thanks!
I have to comment again!!! I spent a little time learning the other triads working out of the D shape. My mind is blown !!! All the chords I have available and the improv vocabulary is a huge game changer for Me !!! If you lower the 3rd a half step ( making them minor) you can make minor cliches with a few little changes! Plus you have access to extended chords ! I can’t express my gratitude to you, Marcel ! You’re the best !!!
Marcel you are the goat. Miss our lessons, but this one really hits home for me. I still play like Maury Muehleisen but, thanks to you, with some grass. And now they like the archtop. Keep picking my friend. Great stuff.
There's only one player I've heard of preferring scales to play successfully was Jerry Reed... lots of work but a true monster that's very hard to copy
Fantastic explanation of a simple way to start branching out from triads. It is also a great way to start moving more comfortably through the intervals of a key. Knowing the 1,3,5 as home base makes 2,4,6 & 7 much more reachable. They are simply left or right of the 1,3,5. Thanks Marcel. Your explanation and teaching is one of your super powers. 🦸 I like the light hearted humor too. 🤩
"I'm not going to show you anything that you can now find yourself!" Best advice yet. If you're looking for treasure, you're gonna have to dig, baby. Yeah! Great little lesson.
I have really appreciated your lessons and information. I might be too old to ever develop enough speed for bluegrass, but I think all of your videos are great. In watching one where you set out the G pentatonic and then added the 7th and the dirty third, I noticed that there were not a lot of frets left. I wonder if there might be some value on teaching about "the negative space". There is a lot less to remember if we just remember the frets that are kind of normally "no go" places. Not sure if this would work, but thought I would ask about its validity! Thanks for the many joyful lessons. I sent a small donation and hope every bit helps!
I'm at the 6:20 mark and I feel as if I'm having an epiphany !! I'm pulling lines out of thin air and mixing them with kicks that I play all the time - longer more musical lines and licks are flowing. Cannot wait for the rest, but I'm going to noodle a little first up to this point then check out the rest. Thanks,.Marcel. You know how to teach !!
Much like Willaim Clark below me here...Bluegrass is not my bag though I really enjpoy listening to it. I play a lot of Gypsy Jazz and your lessons are nice way fro me to view things from a different angle. Subscribed. Thanks!
This is amazing!!! For Me , soloing using scales , I always seemed to get stuck with the same type of licks or breaks , but this really opens to fretboard for Me !! Genius !!!
This was a great lesson. Don’t worry about Brandon you guys do different things. If you want a basic break to Old Grimes, Brandon. If you want OG to become ur own, next level, Marcel.
Love it! The right lesson at the right time (for me) done right. Succinct and powerful. A “how to build licks” lesson that actually explains the “how”.
Paul McCartney brags about not being able to read music 🎵 🎶. I guess Paul, Eric, Carlos and others aren't watching this. Good for them and keep doing what you do for the rest of us! 🤘
I wonder! Have any killin kliches(see what I did there?) that are iconic to certain players? Like "here's a classic Lester line or check out this Mark O'Connor monster"
Your videos are consistently awesome. Another home run! A note of constructive criticism, the first lick (out of 1st inversion) has a awkward fingering shift. It took me a bit to figure it out (scrunching the hand to play the Bb with a first finger), and it would've been nice to have had that noted. I get that this an advanced lesson, though. And, really, any criticism aside, amazing.
Thanks man! And yeah... don't really love that first lick. I was just trying to use all of the cliches at once for teaching purposes. It's a little overboard, feel free to change it!
A little off this topic and perhaps you answered this but where is a good place to start for beginners? Tunes to learn recordings to listen to breaks to learn? Love the videos thanks a ton
Super cool, thanks! I always struggle leading with arpeggios and chords tones (and now will with cliches) when the chords change quickly or there are a lot of chords in a song. (I don’t play bluegrass btw but love it) So I end up in scales. Any advice?
I'll step in for Brandon he is from Minnesota a sweet heart of a guy. I'm from Minnesota too not to sweet though just a cranky old ex hockey player. A little blood and bluegrass?
The only bluegrass teacher I ever had kicked me out after two lessons. Why? She said I HAD to play "Old Joe Clark" her way using her patterns of up and down picking. When I played it "my way" she said she couldn't teach me because I wouldn't listen (that is, blindly follow) her demands.
She was right. Everybody should learn and practice the basics.If a student "knows better" than the instructor, then the instructor is wasting the student's time and money.
Hi Marcel, this might be a stupid question, and I feel like I know the answer but I would just use these same patterns over the IV, and V chords? And adjust the third for any minor chords in the song/key?
The Accutron allows me to open my third eye and access Tony vision; then I can see into the other side where the ancient secrets of the fretboard are knowable and the people feast on cigarettes and coffee.
@@LessonsWithMarcel 😂😂 I'll have what you're having lol but it looks great man, I need to get one for myself one day. From one Tony nerd to another, may the accutron grant you the power to grunt and grass with the precisional timing of a timeless piece.
@@LessonsWithMarcel Oh sorry, I meant I haven't watched YOUR video yet. Only mentioned Jeff's book because it seems similar. I went ahead and got it since it seems like it has lots of practice exercises, and that's what I need :-) Thanks man!
Cliche is a word used in music theory/improv discussion that doesn't have to have negative connotations. It's basically a synonym for "common". Look up "line cliches" in jazz theory as an example of the word being used in this context.
@@LessonsWithMarcel thanks for the explanation. I've never heard it discussed in bluegrass flatpicking circles before. Now you've opened a new rabbit hole for me to go down and explore. I'm so happy and grateful for you showing the way.
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I had a bluegrass guitar teacher who was a monster player, but his lessons always boiled down to 'play the chord and mess around with it'. Nice to get some starter ideas on just how to 'mess around with it'! Thanks!
I had a guy try to teach me jazz by literally just scatting at me. "Just do this - doodily doot'n doot'n dAaAeA dat, doo DAT'n doot'n DA"
@@TypingHazard I love that song!
@@TypingHazard I never trust a scat singer who doesn’t skit a lee bop de boo, but that’s just preference.
@@TypingHazard jesus i just found out why this sex practice is called "scat" ; it's a lot of doodie and doodoo.
@@greenatom 🤣
I have to comment again!!!
I spent a little time learning the other triads working out of the D shape. My mind is blown !!!
All the chords I have available and the improv vocabulary is a huge game changer for Me !!!
If you lower the 3rd a half step ( making them minor) you can make minor cliches with a few little changes!
Plus you have access to extended chords !
I can’t express my gratitude to you, Marcel ! You’re the best !!!
Good job doing the hard work! Most folks won't take things those extra couple of steps. Love to hear it man, keep up the work!
Good remark about making the chord minor by moving the third half a step
Cant hit the like button enough for this lesson, thanks brother.
Marcel you are the goat. Miss our lessons, but this one really hits home for me. I still play like Maury Muehleisen but, thanks to you, with some grass. And now they like the archtop. Keep picking my friend. Great stuff.
Bring on the theory! Great lesson!
Best lesson ever!! Lightbulb city!! Thank you Marcel ☮️
I really love this kind of stuff, it feels way more freeing than playing with scales and hoping language emerges.
You just blew my mind a little bit. Such a simple concept but it sounds so great.
There's only one player I've heard of preferring scales to play successfully was Jerry Reed... lots of work but a true monster that's very hard to copy
Thanks so much man. You're a fantastic teacher.
Brilliant lesson!
Love it
Fantastic explanation of a simple way to start branching out from triads. It is also a great way to start moving more comfortably through the intervals of a key. Knowing the 1,3,5 as home base makes 2,4,6 & 7 much more reachable. They are simply left or right of the 1,3,5. Thanks Marcel. Your explanation and teaching is one of your super powers. 🦸 I like the light hearted humor too. 🤩
Thanks, Marcel. I’m a bebop guitarist and have been playing for decades and this really opened up some things for me. Terrific stuff!
Best lesson I have heard on triads. Thanks
Love lessons like this! I appreciate you teaching the theory that's what I want to learn!!!
Great explanation of advice I have heard a hundred times!!!
This is so clever. I play sax and this is super applicable to improvising on a one note at a time instrument. Gracias.
Awesome lesson. I feel like this is a method that’s really going to stick in my brain. 🧠🤘
"I'm not going to show you anything that you can now find yourself!" Best advice yet. If you're looking for treasure, you're gonna have to dig, baby. Yeah! Great little lesson.
Flatpicker Fight! I like both of you guys so protect those golden fingers.😎
This is gold mate - thanks
Awesome lesson
Thank you.
I really appreciate this lesson. It is structured so clearly and leaves me with a goal to achieve. Thank You!
Brandon is the man!
This is a powerful lesson. I’m impressed. I already know my triads, but putting the cliches with it… man, good stuff. I subbed
Great lesson, Marcel. Thank you.
I have really appreciated your lessons and information. I might be too old to ever develop enough speed for bluegrass, but I think all of your videos are great. In watching one where you set out the G pentatonic and then added the 7th and the dirty third, I noticed that there were not a lot of frets left. I wonder if there might be some value on teaching about "the negative space". There is a lot less to remember if we just remember the frets that are kind of normally "no go" places. Not sure if this would work, but thought I would ask about its validity! Thanks for the many joyful lessons. I sent a small donation and hope every bit helps!
I'm at the 6:20 mark and I feel as if I'm having an epiphany !! I'm pulling lines out of thin air and mixing them with kicks that I play all the time - longer more musical lines and licks are flowing. Cannot wait for the rest, but I'm going to noodle a little first up to this point then check out the rest. Thanks,.Marcel. You know how to teach !!
Very nice lesson❤
Much like Willaim Clark below me here...Bluegrass is not my bag though I really enjpoy listening to it. I play a lot of Gypsy Jazz and your lessons are nice way fro me to view things from a different angle. Subscribed. Thanks!
Always fantastic information from you brother!
I really appreciate your expertise!
This is amazing!!!
For Me , soloing using scales , I always seemed to get stuck with the same type of licks or breaks , but this really opens to fretboard for Me !!
Genius !!!
Thanks! That really helps a lot!!
Greatly appreciated this lesson! Thanks
This is a great one, Marcel!
That's cool!
Amazing 🙏🏼
Nice way to explain how the lines evolve from the chord and inversions!
Great lesson dude. This makes a lot of sense. Seems more intuitive than the caged method of the fretboard
Hey, that's cool. Thanks
Very nice lessons Marcel 👍🏼❤️ Marcel's wagon dragons baby.. 😍
Great stuff A! Awesome example and easy to grasp. Thanks.
you are the best Marcel.No doubt you will defeat brandon Johnson!!
THIS!
I dig the new glasses
You didn't go to music school?
This is GOLD. Bravo!
Couldn't get in, so now I'm waiting for that honorary degree to roll in.
Clichés with Marcel ^^
Good lesson, thanks
Thank you for mentioning the scary music theory discussion.
This was a great lesson. Don’t worry about Brandon you guys do different things. If you want a basic break to Old Grimes, Brandon. If you want OG to become ur own, next level, Marcel.
If there were a PDF to accompany this lesson I would buy it.
I find the crossover between bluegrass and gypsy jazz startling vis à vis playing out of the chord shapes / arpeggios.
yeah, gypsy jazz is where one hears about "enclosures on triads" quite a bit . . .
Love it! The right lesson at the right time (for me) done right. Succinct and powerful. A “how to build licks” lesson that actually explains the “how”.
Thank you Marcel for showing us the doors. Now the only question is root, primary, or secondary.
great lesson! It looks like you start example 1 with a downstroke? The tab symbol looks like an upstroke.
Paul McCartney brags about not being able to read music 🎵 🎶. I guess Paul, Eric, Carlos and others aren't watching this. Good for them and keep doing what you do for the rest of us! 🤘
Ayyy this is what I'm talking bout'
I wonder! Have any killin kliches(see what I did there?) that are iconic to certain players? Like "here's a classic Lester line or check out this Mark O'Connor monster"
I just subscribed in self defense.
Great channel, Marcel! Thanks for helping us all :)
Wow, so cool this lesson, I assume the cliche holds true for all triads on all strings?
Chief!!😂😂😂
Your videos are consistently awesome. Another home run! A note of constructive criticism, the first lick (out of 1st inversion) has a awkward fingering shift. It took me a bit to figure it out (scrunching the hand to play the Bb with a first finger), and it would've been nice to have had that noted. I get that this an advanced lesson, though. And, really, any criticism aside, amazing.
Thanks man! And yeah... don't really love that first lick. I was just trying to use all of the cliches at once for teaching purposes. It's a little overboard, feel free to change it!
A little off this topic and perhaps you answered this but where is a good place to start for beginners? Tunes to learn recordings to listen to breaks to learn? Love the videos thanks a ton
Super cool, thanks! I always struggle leading with arpeggios and chords tones (and now will with cliches) when the chords change quickly or there are a lot of chords in a song. (I don’t play bluegrass btw but love it) So I end up in scales. Any advice?
Extremely educational. I do have one question however, what, if any, accommodations do I need to make if I wish to play in a minor key?
I'll step in for Brandon he is from Minnesota a sweet heart of a guy. I'm from Minnesota too not to sweet though just a cranky old ex hockey player. A little blood and bluegrass?
Kind of late to the party but thought I’d try a question anyways. Are these cliche groups genre specific or useful for all types of music styles?
Hey Marcel , how do those cliches apply do minor chords? Thank you
Fiiiight lol love this video! Thanks marcel
I heard Tony Rice discovered the quantum negative fret realm. Or was it Doc Watson?
The only bluegrass teacher I ever had kicked me out after two lessons. Why? She said I HAD to play "Old Joe Clark" her way using her patterns of up and down picking. When I played it "my way" she said she couldn't teach me because I wouldn't listen (that is, blindly follow) her demands.
She was right. Everybody should learn and practice the basics.If a student "knows better" than the instructor, then the instructor is wasting the student's time and money.
I guess that why I learned from watching others pick. This is like trying to understand algebra 🤣
I like the filthy third better myself
GBDGBD baby
Hi Marcel, this might be a stupid question, and I feel like I know the answer but I would just use these same patterns over the IV, and V chords? And adjust the third for any minor chords in the song/key?
Yup, just line up the root with the new chord and adjust the chord tones for major or minor. That's a great place to start!
I realize now that I've done this process for years, but under the guise of "playing out of the chord shape" lol also, is that an accutron!??
The Accutron allows me to open my third eye and access Tony vision; then I can see into the other side where the ancient secrets of the fretboard are knowable and the people feast on cigarettes and coffee.
@@LessonsWithMarcel 😂😂 I'll have what you're having lol but it looks great man, I need to get one for myself one day. From one Tony nerd to another, may the accutron grant you the power to grunt and grass with the precisional timing of a timeless piece.
4:59 there’s a hole in the wall.
Haven't watched this video yet, looking forward to it, but has anyone seen 'Flatpicking Up the Neck' by Jeff Troxel? Would you recommend it?
I've only read the book? I actually didn't know there was a video that went with it. It's got a lot of great floating ideas.
@@LessonsWithMarcel Oh sorry, I meant I haven't watched YOUR video yet. Only mentioned Jeff's book because it seems similar. I went ahead and got it since it seems like it has lots of practice exercises, and that's what I need :-) Thanks man!
Damn. Shots fired. A waffle house fight?!!
So what is a 3rd, 5th, and a cliché? I've been playing bluegrass guitar for over 30 years and this has lost me
Why the word "cliche"?
Cliche is a word used in music theory/improv discussion that doesn't have to have negative connotations. It's basically a synonym for "common". Look up "line cliches" in jazz theory as an example of the word being used in this context.
@@LessonsWithMarcel thanks for the explanation. I've never heard it discussed in bluegrass flatpicking circles before. Now you've opened a new rabbit hole for me to go down and explore. I'm so happy and grateful for you showing the way.
Awesome lesson