What's More Real Than Pain?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- That which dispels pain is more real than pain. But what's capable of dispelling pain?
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Ralston College presents the inaugural lecture of its Chancellor, Dr Jordan B Peterson, delivered at one of the most iconic sites of the ancient world, the Library of Celsus in Ephesus. This ancient city was the birthplace of Heraclitus, the philosopher who first articulated the idea of the Logos, and the final resting place of St. John, who uses that same Greek word to name the Divine Word. In his lecture, Dr Peterson argues that the intelligibility of the world depends on the patterned regularities that are superordinate to our immediate perception; this underlying order - which, from the Greeks onward, we have called Logos - is both the horizon that enables human perception and the basis for the possibilities that we realize in the world. Such an account of our intrinsic, rational, and self-determining capacity constitutes a challenge to the assumptions of many prevailing schools of thought - such as behaviorism, rigid empiricism, and postmodernism - and lays the burden of personal ethics, and the formation of a good society, squarely on the shoulders of the individual.
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The bloody Canadian psychological association should watch this lecture and than think at least one month about how this relate to all his other ideas. If they then dare to try to take his licence again, they are corrupt beyond even the tiniest bit of comprehension
We already know they’re corrupt.
HERE HERE 💪🏼 🫡
There should be a huge protest if they try to silence him by taking his license.
@@CranBerry565 They can't take away what he has in his head. He could probably reeducate them. I feel like I am in school when I listen to this brilliant man.
If they take away his licence it will only increase his popularity. However he has earned his licence and they should not have any power to take it away
He has never been charged or convicted of any crime that would earn him a license revocation. It’s obvious this governing board is linked to the present liberal government who dictates what they want.
One of the best books on observing another's pain I think is CS Lewis A Grief Observed about the passing of his wife. It is so deep and Spiritual especially for those of us that are true lovers in the sense of loving another no matter the relationship.
Nice comment Victoria, l will look him up
Yes, and his The Problem of Pain, as well. I read C.S. Lewis on my own as a teenager, and I'm still struck forty-five years later by his insight. He went through several beliefs and philosophies before converting to Christianity.
Even his Narnia books are very deep.
I read that book after my mother died.
My experience with pain actually left me feeling relieved. I had postpartum depression after my 2 nd child. I knew something was wrong but I didn’t know what it was. I went out one afternoon by myself to a local Mall. I decided to get my ears pierced. Afterwards my ears were throbbing. I realized that feeling pain was a step up from feeling nothing. I didn’t feel depressed, I just felt nothing until that moment of pain. Then I knew what was wrong and was able to address it. Later, I developed chronic autoimmune disorders and am in a great deal of pain. I saw someone below wrote that pain always leaves people bitter. My doctor just commented to me recently that most of his other patients are so bitter, but he’s known me for 12 years, and despite everything I’ve been through, not once have I ever become bitter.
I don’t think he is focusing on pain. This is an excerpt of a larger point. He does break off and start to talk about regulated patterns of objectivity, but this is also building on his point about what characteristics something that is real has
As a retired Bering Sea fisherman I can attest that pain really does separate the men from the boys.
And as someone who experiences pain as a constant companion in life, virtually 24/7, I can tell you that it sucks the joy out of life! I've watched those fishing shows myself and understood that there was a lot of testosterone on those boats and that only REAL men could endure such weather and hard work! Have a good day Sir! From country NSW Australia.
@@michellesartori6695 I agree..pain changes people also..have a constant companion of pain it changes ones outlook after awhile
@@michellesartori6695 my home is St. Lawrence Island right in the middle of the Bering Strait. Our kids walk to school in zero visibility. Can't see your neighbor's house and the roads aren't drivable? Well then dress warm and walk them to school anyway because we don't know what snow days are up here. Our kids are manlier than most of them lower 48 men who live in comfort and warmth and convenience year round
@@PlayshotKalo Good point! Spoilt privileged children are not an asset. They are a liability
@@darrinkirchner6026 It ABSOLUTELY does! I used to be more outgoing and friendly but now if I have to go out I just get what I need and get home again avoiding any form of human communication other than hello and goodbye! When I am at home with just my cats, whom I share my house with but with no other humans, I get SO frustrated sometimes because I just want to perform an action, say washing the dishes, and I can't because of the pain and I get so angry with myself and cranky. I NEVER used to be that person and I DON'T like the person I have become! I used to be an RN and I would always take patients reports of pain VERY seriously because of my own experience with pain. It just socks. Take care now and have a good day!
What a gorgeous venue for this talk...JP beteeen the giant pilars reminded me of the image of Samson. One day I would come to one of JP's talk🙏.
Powerful words and a powerful setting. Ephesus is absolutely amazing. For anyone that has the opportunity to see it in person I would highly recommend a visit!
It is!
Your right it’s amazing...we went to watch Chris d Burg in concert there many moons ago & the setting was just mind blowing...
At 4:11 he looks like he is a philosopher of the ancient times giving a speech to his handful of students
I think that, regarding pain, Peterson's point is that pain is not sure to destroy us, because there are some forces that are even more fundamental or powerful than pain, that, if you are equipped with, you can "defeat" pain, in some sense. Jordan doesn't list those forces here but he does in other lectures and podcasts, for example his podcast with Lex Fridman. There he mentions that love is more powerful than pain. If you are filled with love, you can manage the pain of existence. That's his hypothesis. I presume that it could be love for people or for an activity or thing such as art, engineering, walking on the beach, music, anything. What is love, you ask? Well, good question. But what is pain? These are fundamental realities that you can only be understood when you are experiencing them. Yes, there are correlations with chemical reactions in the physical body when these experiences happen, but if you are thinking on the same level as JP is here you would know that it would be shallow thinking to suggest that scientific facts like those makes any difference whatsoever when it comes to these discussions about the very fundamental building blocks of reality. Science is a model that simplifies reality for pragmatic purposes. Reality is simply Reality.
Is it strange to be 16 and loving this!!! and also understanding some of it?
Not at all. Use great ideas to build yourself into a man of strength and character, a man of your word, skilful and with a purpose that serves the ones around you as well.
If you enjoy ideas about masculinity and mastery, I invite you to explore the videos I share on the Mastery Order Channel.
Challenge yourself with some concepts about manhood, explore your masculine potential to the maximum and become the kind of man you would admire.
We can only better ourselves together, as men among men, so I invite you to use what I share and, of course, share your own opinions so that others can benefit from them as well.
Looking forward to your points of view.
All the best to you!
Understanding some of it😅😂😂😂😂😂
I sincerely appreciate this talk. Having walked the walk.
Pain is the reason to do anything. All those who spend their lives trying to avoid it by chasing hedonism or quick fixes are doomed to nihilism or resentment.
@blanks well why do you do anything at all?
Wise words
@blanks well you do. Why dont you choose to do nothing?
@blanks and maybe because of what the alternative offers? ..
Pain or more pain...
As does Joy. When we experience joy, when it ends we crave it's repetition. That also leads down dark paths of addiction and blind attachment such that we ignore everything else in its pursuit.
Pain yields rejection, Joy yields pursuit. Both are attachments, and both are the same problem, insofar as the attachment IS the problem.
Omg I just posted something about this. In the other poll vid about what stands in my way illness and pain. Just.. ty doctor. License or not. Who knows what the evil decide. To me, Doctor. Forever.
The Logos speech is JP's Magnum Opus, and I hope he will learn more from the Greeks and share it with the commoners.
I love this man
Use great ideas to build yourself into a man of strength and character, a man of your word, skilful and with a purpose that serves the ones around you as well.
If you enjoy ideas about masculinity and mastery, I invite you to explore the videos I share on the Mastery Order Channel.
Challenge yourself with some concepts about manhood, explore your masculine potential to the maximum and become the kind of man you would admire.
We can only better ourselves together, as men among men, so I invite you to use what I share and, of course, share your own opinions so that others can benefit from them as well.
Looking forward to your points of view.
All the best to you!
This background really represents you and your core values insofar you're old school in your teachings, strong and defiant to be able to stand up for and by your authentic core values and beliefs.
Does it take a toll on you? Yes, just like the weather takes a toll on the building, however, neither of yousway from the foundations and you have the courage of your convictions to stand tall, even in the face of adversity.
You, Dr. Peterson, WILL go down in history for your stance and viewpoints, and younger scholars will be referring back to "Dr Peterson" just as you refer to Carl Jung.
Thank you for being true to yourself but also being so willing to share your wisdom, gently, and when required more firmly, but always humble, virtuous, and authentic. 🙏
I am suffering with an undiagnosed condition that may be Rheumatoid Arthiritis with a lot of other things thrown in, or some kind of auto-immune disease, and pain becomes more and more frequent, sometimes during episodes, for every second of every day. I want to see purpose in this, but I'm afraid I don't. I can't sleep at night, my circulation is destroyed, my joints, my back, all hurt so much and that is just the start of it. My partner of several years recently told me she wants to not see me for 3 months to "reset" as my constant complaining and my inability to enjoy things when I'm in pain has wore her down. I went from working, to studying Psychology inspired by Jordan, because I wanted to help people, to dropping out, to living back at my parents house on my own for a year. The past few years have been a catastrophe for me. I have tried to figure out what is wrong with me, and to seek treatment and to take responsibility for all of that, but ultimately, I have been unable to bring myself to find a job or improve my situation at all, for the past year. I no longer have any idea what I am doing. I don't know what purpose is in any of this, I don't understand how things could get better, I don't know what to do to improve things. I am trapped in this hell. Thoughts of self destruction are calming to me, and I can't help but feel resentful. I don't know what to do.
"Fear God and obey His commands, for that is the whole of man."
Adam was not made for the world, but the world was made for Adam. Nothing in all creation will make you whole, so the loss of all of creation cannot take from you what you were made for and keep you incomplete; "He is risen." Being lost is simply the need for Christ. Knowing him is life and he is who you were created for. Without him, without love, nothing can matter.
"These three things will remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love."
"Love is not self seeking." The reason there can be evil, pain, loss, grief, trouble, things you don't want, and still good, is because love is greater than life. Two questions: "What good is having love and nothing else?" "What good is having everything without love?"
Only created things are reduced to nothing; love stands by itself. "They refused to love the truth and so be saved." This is the test all life. Our inability to accept a reality that we don't want, that which is apart from ourselves, comes back to our ability to love ourselves. The truth is that our friends, lovers, family, the random people and circumstances we find ourselves in are all things we did not create and must find ourselves either able to love (act righteously in) or not.
That being said, you know that your life is a power for good. You know that people matter and that what you do will make a difference in the time that you have. The choice is whether you're willing to love that much.
You can be like Cain and try to destroy the reality that causes you pain, murdering your brothers and sisters, for some respite to the conviction that it is your heart that needs to change. Or, like Jesus, conquer death and save the world around you by obeying God and entrusting it into His hands, your life, a living sacrifice, to honor God, which is exactly the choice that Abel represents.
Yes. You will die. And, you may even be murdered by your fellow brothers who are unworthy of you, but God cannot be mocked and you will real what you sow. Peace is found in righteousness. "There is no peace for the wicked."
Try the diet peterson and his daughter are on (keto diet) to relieve the auto immune symptoms you have.
Magnesium supplements will build up in your body and after a few weeks will help relieve pain. Take acidophilus to repopulate your bowel.
Don't give up, keep searching for relief. Once you are out of the cycle of pain, the depression will lift and you can find a new life path. Good luck🤞
@epictetus7910 I have had RA and Fybromyalgia as well as injuries from a car crash for over 30 years. Yes, the depression is worse than the awful pain. Depression is caused by 1) being in continuous pain , 2) being unable to do the things you used to do: unable to work, unable to clean your house, unable to go for a walk, unable to do shopping etc. But also 3) inflammation in your brain itself❗️
The most important thing is to do whatever you can to lower the inflammation.
Now the good news ( at least for me it has been) I began painting 15 years ago. And when I am in ‘the zone’ painting 💥I feel no pain💥. I also have no conception of time or my surroundings while I am painting. I play Beethoven loud and paint.
It may be something else for you. But my point is that no amount of medicines can take my pain away, but there is something that does. So don’t give up hope. Find something engrossing- wood carving, gardening, something creative seems to work best. You lose yourself and with that you lose the pain.
Pain teaches you what matters
I'm in immeasurable amounts of pain, right now. The sad is thing is no one is willing to acknowledge it, because it's true. I can't even be sure the pain I feel is real, because I have suffered so long without mercy. I can't rationalize anymore, can't even think straight. It's too much but I cannot die, God has an alternate plan for me. I just wish I could escape this prison that is my bedroom and move freely again.
Alas, it's not meant to be.
All glory to God, because I remain and continue to draw breath, unwilling but loyal to God. God help me.
I am sending you my sympathy❤️ The worst pain is usually long lived, it becomes the tortuous company.
And I think this is when bitterness becomes even more important to be avoided and gratitude for other things that are going well seems to provide relief.
It's good that you didn't let it get to your heart. May God bless and heal you🙏🏼 Best regards.
I accept your pain, but you accept it
I’m so sorry hun. You might feel alone in your pain but you are not. There is light at the end of the tunnel. I promise.
@@meruem6995ujjoooo I think I have. I can't explain it, but I'm at peace with it. Oh, but it does suck, lol. I get tired from time to time, but I gotta keep fighting, right? I know. I'm getting up now...(grunt)
Praise God for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
It's spinal degeneration.
I've lost 3 inches in I'm guessing the last five years. I always have two or three dislocated ribs randomly at any one time. Most of my vertebrae above my bellybutton are now "floating"and often lead to pinched nerves and various states of function in my internal organs. My heart will beat normal rate, but at half power. I go to sleep. My intestines and kidneys turn on and off randomly. The pain is magnified due to a state of hypersensitivity caused by the original pain, but an overall tolerance is built up based on a constant of the average.
On top of that, I currently have a pinched nerve causing my entire right arm to burn (like extremely tired) and it's in constant flux of intensity, and that's much more difficult to deal with than a steady pain.
Oh.. and my life is gone. Wife cheated, and tossed me out. Now I'm living like a 3rd world country Christian in Missouri USA. I didn't see it coming, all in five minutes ten months ago. My health took the hardest hit. I had pneumonia nearly kill me two weeks before Christmas. The end of the day I was tossed out I nearly died of exposure and hypothermia...
"Due to lawlessness, the love of many shall wax cold"
Due to evil, many people will become selfish.
It's alright everyone. I've come This far, you should know that I am a survivor and a biblical saint. Just know that more often than not, Jesus Christ carried me through it, and one day He will carry me home. Praise YHWH God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit who get me through the impossible every day.
Good grief man, this hurts, lol.
Seriously though
Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior
Pain can teach you the deepest lessons
What a stunning backdrop and speech!! 😲👌👏👏🇦🇺
pain is reality....in every angle of your life....pain can take your life
and isolates us from others its our love for them and vice versa that enable us to go on.
That's a beautiful building. Almost looks like it could be an entrance to a final boss fight in a video game.
LOVE is the antidote.
Love
People only value their homeotasis state when they lose it, so pain is more real
Journaling, pen to paper (not typing) can get a person out of "words" in their head.
These are eternal truths.
Love is more real than pain
Sometimes his mind is so jumbled with thoughts that I don’t understand what he’s trying to say. I know I’m not dumb but 😮 just don’t follow the train of thought.
A debate on these sentiments cannot be debated...instead only silenced.
Whoa.. I like your backdrop..
The Light shines in the Darkness and the Darkness does not overcome it
JP'S mind isn't jumbled, he has so much knowledge he cannot get it all out there -- he does a good job of it --
Brilliant Man !!!
I like him and usually don't have a problem understanding him but I don't have any clue what the heck he.is talking about. I just hear words. Can you help a sister out? I really have no clue what is going on
I feel therefore I am.
That's a lot of words that mean so little. He's a master at that.
Regret can be more real, arguably, or at least is very close to pain and it can transform in actual pain
The depth of regret can cause immense pain psychologically, enough to alter your perception of reality! This is a transformation that many have experienced, including myself.
In my sense, it is breathing that is fundamentally real. Breathing as a verb, as a process of continuous expression of being alive. I do not mean an unconscious automatic activity that takes place in a human being. Rather, completely and totally matching every split second of every breath with your whole awareness, fully becoming each breath. Breathing with full realization of the meaning of that space right after you've exhaled till the end and right before another breath comes in. That which is unborn which has never died. If one can maintain his or her awareness in this way the fundamental reality has a chance to reveal itself. Pain then becomes an irrelevant concept. I'm saying this as someone who has had chronic pain for the past 25 years. I'm also saying it as someone who has practiced embodying the realization described above with discipline and commitment for 10 years in a monastery in Japan. Once arrived, no hardship or pain can take away the great joy. So it is not only about what people do but also how they do it, what state of mind and being they are in when they act. Thank you Jordan Peterson for the most valuable work.
Truth
Love! Pescador de Hombres, Love is the antidote. Gracias! TE AMO. The Gates of Hades shall not prevail.
When you are , ever so lucky to find love, pain goes into the background.
I lost it when he laughed at himself for not using the most complicated word in human existance at 4:12 lol. Peers? Ally? Or even comrade?😂
I think he was laughing at the dog lol
How easy it is,
to deny,
The pain,
of someone else's,
Suffering.
Answer to the question: Love.
You need a better camera person. Great talk.
Quite the venue to speak at.
If there is love, there is hope that one may have real families, real brotherhood, real equanimity, real peace. If the love within your mind is lost and you see other beings as enemies, then no matter how much knowledge or education or material comfort you have, only suffering and confusion will ensue.
Dalai Lama
that definition of objects reminds me in some sense of Wittgenstein's definition of objects, an object being defined by all of its possibilities and relations with the world. Interesting.
Hey Jordan Peterson, I was wondering if you have ever heard of Redeemer University in Hamilton and if so what you think about the way they conduct their education, I am currently in my seocnd year here at RU and think it is quite a phenomenal place to get an education. Any chance you would consider visiting campus? (we are quite small and your schedule is quite demanding) :( anyway praying that these allegations law suits will be bareable for you and your family, stay strong. "In a complex situation all we have is the truth"- you 2023
2:00 - Hypocrites.
2:30 - Easy to destroy Joy.
3:30 - What's capable of dispelling pain
💕💕💕
Pleasure.
Ouch!
Use great ideas to build yourself into a man of strength and character, a man of your word, skilful and with a purpose that serves the ones around you as well.
If you enjoy ideas about masculinity and mastery, I invite you to explore the videos I share on the Mastery Order Channel.
Challenge yourself with some concepts about manhood, explore your masculine potential to the maximum and become the kind of man you would admire.
We can only better ourselves together, as men among men, so I invite you to use what I share and, of course, share your own opinions so that others can benefit from them as well.
Looking forward to your points of view.
All the best to you!
"...in some real sense..."
Don't confuse pain and whatever causes it. Pain is what incentivize life to avoid what's dangerous to them. Pain is life's ally.
that's a cool place he's at
To the death! - "No. To the pain."
I am so lost. I don't understand a word of what he is saying. I usually don't have a problem understanding him. I really have zero clue what he is talking about. Can someone help explain?
@Lori r During the first 25 seconds he describes what is known as the difference between positivism and phenomenology: Real, palpable world vs the meaning that you give to reality: matter vs. what matters. After that, he says that he always thought that there wasn't most fundamental reality than pain, but after years of reflection he arrived to the conclusion that "what dispels pain is more real than pain" (not that I agree, but that is what JP said). From that point on, as I have pointed out in other comment, he confers the same meaning to pain and suffering (wrongly IMO), and expresses that education should be dedicated to prepare people to face pain and "still move forward with what is good in mind". After the 4:43 mark we get a rhetorical exercise on why his assertions are on point.
@@Guionismo Thank you. That helped.
@@lorir5728 You are most welcome.
@@Guionismo I like him. I do but I also find him to be really negative. It would be nice if he was more positive and changed it up sometimes. He tends to get to a place where everything is a lost cause but then all of a sudden its not. He reminds me of Kanye when he gets on about something
@@lorir5728he addresses the root of problems, because you cannot address problems by looking at the branches.
Does the channel need editors? I have experience and would like to work
Cheers
It’s my observation that emotional pain is driven by a lie. My soul detects lies automatically.
‘And the truth shall set you free’
You are right, if we speak the truth, we might suffer still, but maybe chosen pain is received differently than inflicted pain.
We say the truth, we suffer, we stand with the pain.
We lie, we think we lie to others but we also lie to ourselves, therefore we inflicted pain on us and others.
can anyone please explain to me what does he mean in pattern and what is pattern regularity?
Doggo said something about pain too.
So what's more real than pain? I couldn't focus as I ironically am in pain
What do you think about the Crowder situation?
Personally I thought who tf is Crowder, then I looked him up and watched the entirety of his latest video ans still I have no idea what it was about.
True chronic pain sufferers without adiquit treatment have zero reason to lie or waist their time on material thing or senseless argument . Empty or hate takes you over . I say this because I find the same truthful arguments from both , of the shallow nature of mankind . The only Truth becomes " Ignorance is bliss " I guess .
A fundamental flaw of this lecture is the interchangeable use of pain and suffering. They are not the same, and they cannot be perceived, measured or relieved in the same way.
Please explain the difference in your own words. Whether YOU think so or not the two ARE related! IMO pain is either emotional or physical and perhaps temporary while suffering is the result of pain of the emotional or physical type that can be prolonged or eternal.
@@dreamarcher4018 You answered your own question. I quote: "while suffering is the result of pain of the emotional or physical type that can be prolonged or eternal". If one event occurs as the result of other, one is the cause and the other is the consequence. Causation cannot be equated to consequence.
Hence of world with an undercurrent of killers who do so to maintain a status they never earned...but what they earn is in direct relation to the demons they serve...and then..that is a different system in of itself.
Shadow in scribe of mirror...who knocks on thy own front door?
Did jous i mean dailywire make you take down your post about crowder exposing their contracts?
Pain can be justified.
One could write off all pain, as preperation for parenthood.
One could write off all pain, as necessary for becoming stoic.
One could write off all pain, as a sadist/masochist.
If you desire to become someone that must endure much pain, like stoics then it justifies the pain.
Jordan Peterson almost recreates Buddhism.
Disordered mind, anxiety and despair....no, these are a manifestation of your senses....you are not wrong. The sickness is felt...known.
the ocean
More pain!
Hey Jordan. Only one thing u silly: relief
meaning ...duh
its a fkin shield
Pain doesnt make you tough but it does make you bitter!
Pain is the reason we have consciousness. AI can never be real because it cannot feel pain.
Its all real, the real questions is what is more powerful than pain?
U put two cups on the table one is room temperature and one is filled with boiling water, which one is more real?
Its all real, we just avoid getting hurt cuzz it sucks and we get mad when people we care about get hurt, it doesn't mean pain is more real than whatever, its just something we really really really really don't like.
Time isn't real cold isn't real, but in the human mind it is real, what does a stone see as real, it cant but it is a real physical object, feelings are only something your brain makes you feel, you can chose what to feel when it comes to emotion, you can make some things fell better or not fell good at all, but cutting out pain is very hard, but not impossible.
your brain is responsible for what you feel, how else can you feel things in your dreams, everything you experience is made by your brain, are you your brain? or is the brain just a transferring this to you, the brain is like a computer, your own little playground.
What do you have that cannot be taken away from you? only you.
We maintain peace in America because of the ultimate wool pulling among common human.
The only authority of pain...is those who live it...the lap of luxury clouds your perspective....so unless you extract or steal the words of they who endure forever...you impart wisdom not gained by life experience.
PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE - THINK ABOUT THE HORRIFIC PAIN AND ENDLESS SUFFERING
INNOCENT ANIMALS GO THROUGH EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY OF EVERY YEAR WITH NO ESCAPE ONLY TO FIND IN THE END THE GRUESOM, TERRIFYING FRIGHT OF THE
SLAUGHTER. PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE SO HEARTLES SO CRUEL.
R.I.P. Jay Briscoe
Worse than reel pain?
…being the one on the hook.
Easy
Real pain
Hmm me thinks he caught on; 😏
Ask any animal why any human wants to hold on to pain, unless it cloaks something. God's word turnd
even the creator can feel pain
If the creator felt pain, It would not be complete.
If you're a believer, i quote Nikos Kazantzakis: "Great things happen when God mixes with man. Without man, God would have no mind on this Earth to reflect upon his creatures intelligibly and to examine, fearfully yet impudently, his wise omnipotence." It is my interpretation that to understand man and his pain, then you have to embrace it as well.
@@vascovaz9997 If the creator felt pain, It would not be complete...complete about what? creator felt pain when Man crucified the only son...creator felt the pain....
U look nice Dr Jordan
I once used my shoe as a drinking glass.
The venue needs some repairs.
LOL pain is a blur... just like life.... It all ends... You ask what's more real then pain? Look around yourself!
REGRET
Pain produces hate. Hatred produces even more Hatred. When suffering comes hatred becomes weak and desperation is next to be born. Suffering produces even more pain while desperation destroyes hope. Human becomes bitter... until sweetnes of the irony passes.
Your comment is a bit out of context so I'm not sure if I understand what you mean here. But just in case, Peterson's point is that pain will not necessarily produce hatred and all those things, because, there are some forces that are even more fundamental than pain, that, if you are equipped with, you can "defeat" pain, in some sense. Jordan doesn't list those forces here but he does in other lectures and podcasts, for example his podcast with Lex Fridman. There he mentions that love is more powerful than pain. If you are filled with love, you can manage the pain of existence. That's his hypothesis. I presume that it could be love for people or for an activity or thing such as art, engineering, walking on the beach, music, anything. What is love, you ask? Well, good question, but, what is pain? These are fundamental realities that you will understand when you are experiencing them. Yes, there are correlations with chemical reactions in the physical body when these experiences happen, but if you are thinking on the same level as JP is here you would know that it is shallow thinking to suggest that that scientific fact makes any difference whatsoever.
@@nicolasreyes2190 i didnt ask for anything. If my comment is not relevant it should be ignored, if it gets downvoted it will be positioned accordingly. Anyway thank you for taking effort to explain.
I think FEAR causes hate. When people don’t understand something, or don’t know if an outcome will be good or bad they fear it. Constant inflicted fear causes pain and suffering. If a political leader (or a boss or coworker or friend or family member) does this to people it rapes their souls and demoralizes them. That is what make us bitter and hateful.
Advil is more real then pain lol
God is the only thing more real than Pain
Apparently nothing for U.
He just stole a bunch of this from the book "sapiens".
weird setting. so dramatic 😁