The situation with the excessive illegal immigration is destroying this country. The Muslim beliefs towards women don't improve opinions. The Office of Budget Responsibility has shown what is happening. Where does Baroness stand on FGM, cousin marriages, grooming gangs?
The discrimination runs deep in you. Seems like you shed of your views of Jews with crocked noses and deep pockets but filled in that head space with another group. You never change and never will.
@@tayibahussain how incredibly hypocritical of you. Islamic countries treat their women appallingly, their men not much better. Islam is bad for humans, the more Islamic a country is, the worse it gets - it is right and good to point this out.
@@rumblefishes you are the people people during WW2 that vilified an entire faith. I don't know who it shocks me how you continue marching on with this rehotric. I live in the UK and you got no fuccing right telling me somehow how I as a female am treated awfully when you are busy working away dehumanising me.
It doesn't feel like there's a lack of understanding of the muslim community, more that there is a lack of understanding of the community which muslims have joined. The lack and unwillingness to integrate is the very real problem within the muslim community which we don't see with other communities which have joined and intergrated with ours.
@@miraladak2314 they could start by not protesting with signs that read "Behead those that insult Islam". Also they could stop beheading people on London's streets. Just for a start. A little effort, you know.
@@miraladak2314 Are you serious? They literally have a religion which sees everyone else as inferior beings who can be "permanently cancelled" if they don't agree with them. You can't be intolerant and yet expect tolerance in return. It's called having a basic decency towards your host. But by having to explain this, I can see there is also a lack of basic common sense too.
@@TheTaozer I see a lot of intolerance in the comments here. Besides, I am sure there are Muslims who see non Muslims as inferior but I have not met them - yet. The ones I do know are perfectly decent people.
@@miraladak2314 I repeat, You can't be intolerant and expect to be tolerated. This is the fundamental problem with islam which we don't have with other minority communities which have joined ours. Why is the muslim community constantly asking for more, over and above that of others? This is not an islamic country and does not have to cater to islamic beliefs in any form. The fact that we do proves our tolerance of others and their differences. The fact islam is never happy with that is proof of their intolerance. The decent muslims you speak of are the ones who choose to integrate and, like you, I know many of them too.
Interesting discussion. I would ask how Islamic countries treat their women. You can judge the ideology based on that alone really. Islamic values are antithetical to western values. I dont think we should bend over backwards for medieval ideologies that have no time for women, atheists, free thinkers, artists etc Islamophobia is a nonsensical term. We should be allowed to freely criticise religious ideologies and be concerned about their spread. Especially ones that so closely resemble fascism.
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 yes it did, with sustained external criticism and scrutiny of it's ideas. Which won't happen to Islam if we cower before the nonsense term "Islamophobia".
So most never intended to become truely British when they came and have persisted in that , Making sure thier children and grandchildren never cut that unbilical cord to another land and culture , In Europe that mentality always ends in trouble,,, " If you come to us be of us .If that is not possible for you do not come or go away"If you do not belive it is possible you are fully western then it is not for you .
@@tayibahussain not racist. Realistic. If you seek shelter in a country, show that country respect. Leave the medieval, backwards, misogymistic, violent and ignorant cultures behind.
@@rumblefishes no need to guess who the other person was that decide to vilify an entire faith. Well seems like the legacy lives on. Many of us are your doctors and academics get off your high horse and take a good look at yourself
@@tayibahussain any set of beliefs that is anti-human SHOULD be vilified. You may well be doctors and academics (jeez talk about high horse), but the set of values you adhere to are antithetical to secular western values. We discarded the shackles of religion centuries ago and would like to keep it that way thank you.
@@rumblefishes my faith does not give you any right to vilify and dehumanise me. The only one anti human is you with this fascist rehotric. I follow the faith and practice it. For me it makes me a better human and do good for others. I choose to follow it as a female I made that choice as a human I chose it. I think for you the issue is that I even had a choice in the matter. Focus on yourself and actually do some bloody good for people instead of attaching a faith.
True...why is there no such violence between non-muslims ? It's always... Muslim vs Christian Muslim vs Jew Muslim vs hindu Muslim vs sikh Muslim vs buddhist ... Muslim vs muslim...
Sayeeda please highlight the plight of the Batley teacher who is still in hiding for being 'blasphemous'. A crime that doesn't exist in the Uk. Why has nobody from the muslim community protested for his freedom and guaranteed his safety. Why havr you all conveniently forgotten these egregious acts?
What you call "Islamophobia" is but an expression of objection to the immorality of religious error perceived as such by a majority atheist nation: "there is no Allah, so stop professing that there is."
What religion are you? I don't believe in Judaism, that does not justify the holocaust and your claim doesn't justify what Israel and u.s does to Muslims and brown Christians
Well said, then that means since there is no god there was no promised land for the Jews, do you raise your voice against genocide of the Palestinians by the Israelis in the name of this movement? Or is your criticism reserved for Muslims?
@@sobanali5690 my criticism, if you noticed, is reserved for Islam. There most certainly is no god. All religions are fairy tales, but one in particular, brings violence wherever it goes. As for Israel v Palestine, well, there was peace on OCt 6 2023, and in my opinion, rape, mutilation, dismemberment and murder do not count as resistance.
The situation with the excessive illegal immigration is destroying this country. The Muslim beliefs towards women don't improve opinions. The Office of Budget Responsibility has shown what is happening.
Where does Baroness stand on FGM, cousin marriages, grooming gangs?
The discrimination runs deep in you. Seems like you shed of your views of Jews with crocked noses and deep pockets but filled in that head space with another group. You never change and never will.
@@tayibahussain how incredibly hypocritical of you. Islamic countries treat their women appallingly, their men not much better. Islam is bad for humans, the more Islamic a country is, the worse it gets - it is right and good to point this out.
@@rumblefishes you are the people people during WW2 that vilified an entire faith. I don't know who it shocks me how you continue marching on with this rehotric. I live in the UK and you got no fuccing right telling me somehow how I as a female am treated awfully when you are busy working away dehumanising me.
You're full of crap, spreading nonsense propaganda. Go back to playing with your Trump doll.
It doesn't feel like there's a lack of understanding of the muslim community, more that there is a lack of understanding of the community which muslims have joined. The lack and unwillingness to integrate is the very real problem within the muslim community which we don't see with other communities which have joined and intergrated with ours.
How do you expect them to integrate when there is so much hostility to them?
@@miraladak2314 they could start by not protesting with signs that read "Behead those that insult Islam". Also they could stop beheading people on London's streets. Just for a start. A little effort, you know.
@@miraladak2314 Are you serious? They literally have a religion which sees everyone else as inferior beings who can be "permanently cancelled" if they don't agree with them.
You can't be intolerant and yet expect tolerance in return.
It's called having a basic decency towards your host.
But by having to explain this, I can see there is also a lack of basic common sense too.
@@TheTaozer I see a lot of intolerance in the comments here. Besides, I am sure there are Muslims who see non Muslims as inferior but I have not met them - yet. The ones I do know are perfectly decent people.
@@miraladak2314 I repeat, You can't be intolerant and expect to be tolerated. This is the fundamental problem with islam which we don't have with other minority communities which have joined ours. Why is the muslim community constantly asking for more, over and above that of others?
This is not an islamic country and does not have to cater to islamic beliefs in any form. The fact that we do proves our tolerance of others and their differences. The fact islam is never happy with that is proof of their intolerance.
The decent muslims you speak of are the ones who choose to integrate and, like you, I know many of them too.
Bye bye then, don’t let the door hit you on the way oot👋
Interesting discussion.
I would ask how Islamic countries treat their women. You can judge the ideology based on that alone really.
Islamic values are antithetical to western values. I dont think we should bend over backwards for medieval ideologies that have no time for women, atheists, free thinkers, artists etc
Islamophobia is a nonsensical term. We should be allowed to freely criticise religious ideologies and be concerned about their spread.
Especially ones that so closely resemble fascism.
But religious norms can change. Islam can change. Just as Christianity did.
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 yes it did, with sustained external criticism and scrutiny of it's ideas.
Which won't happen to Islam if we cower before the nonsense term "Islamophobia".
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 It took hundreds of years and war and bloodshed ,We do not nead that again ,
@@rumblefishes Yes I agree. Some of the bravest and most ignored people I know have been ex Muslim atheists.
@@kevanbodsworth9868 I would argue we don't need war to change it.
Islamophobia does not exist.
You can show this logically
You clearly have no logic at all, no eyes nor ears.
I suppose anti-semitism doesn’t exist either.
So most never intended to become truely British when they came and have persisted in that , Making sure thier children and grandchildren never cut that unbilical cord to another land and culture , In Europe that mentality always ends in trouble,,, " If you come to us be of us .If that is not possible for you do not come or go away"If you do not belive it is possible you are fully western then it is not for you .
Racist just need any excuse the issue was with my grandads accent and now the issue is with my faith. You always latch on to any issue.
@@tayibahussain not racist. Realistic. If you seek shelter in a country, show that country respect. Leave the medieval, backwards, misogymistic, violent and ignorant cultures behind.
@@rumblefishes no need to guess who the other person was that decide to vilify an entire faith. Well seems like the legacy lives on. Many of us are your doctors and academics get off your high horse and take a good look at yourself
@@tayibahussain any set of beliefs that is anti-human SHOULD be vilified.
You may well be doctors and academics (jeez talk about high horse), but the set of values you adhere to are antithetical to secular western values.
We discarded the shackles of religion centuries ago and would like to keep it that way thank you.
@@rumblefishes my faith does not give you any right to vilify and dehumanise me. The only one anti human is you with this fascist rehotric. I follow the faith and practice it. For me it makes me a better human and do good for others. I choose to follow it as a female I made that choice as a human I chose it. I think for you the issue is that I even had a choice in the matter. Focus on yourself and actually do some bloody good for people instead of attaching a faith.
I can help with escape routes
Islamophobia is imo a diverting tactic similar to ‘conspiracy theorist’
True...why is there no such violence between non-muslims ? It's always...
Muslim vs Christian
Muslim vs Jew
Muslim vs hindu
Muslim vs sikh
Muslim vs buddhist ...
Muslim vs muslim...
indeed islamophobia is the number 1 pressing problem
we must stop everything else and focus on addressing this issue
Sayeeda please highlight the plight of the Batley teacher who is still in hiding for being 'blasphemous'. A crime that doesn't exist in the Uk. Why has nobody from the muslim community protested for his freedom and guaranteed his safety. Why havr you all conveniently forgotten these egregious acts?
She didn’t leave the party she relinquished her whip. She’s still a conservative.
Absolutely fascinating discussion. I look forward to reading her book.
What you call "Islamophobia" is but an expression of objection to the immorality of religious error perceived as such by a majority atheist nation: "there is no Allah, so stop professing that there is."
Well said
Jesus doesnt hate what you hate, stfu..
Muslims are welcome, racists are not.
What religion are you? I don't believe in Judaism, that does not justify the holocaust and your claim doesn't justify what Israel and u.s does to Muslims and brown Christians
Well said, then that means since there is no god there was no promised land for the Jews, do you raise your voice against genocide of the Palestinians by the Israelis in the name of this movement? Or is your criticism reserved for Muslims?
@@sobanali5690 my criticism, if you noticed, is reserved for Islam.
There most certainly is no god. All religions are fairy tales, but one in particular, brings violence wherever it goes.
As for Israel v Palestine, well, there was peace on OCt 6 2023, and in my opinion, rape, mutilation, dismemberment and murder do not count as resistance.
BE LIKE POLAND.
oh do plot escape routes and go
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