i’m surprised THAT was The Kill. i would’ve thought the yoga kill was The Kill lol, i had a FAR stronger reaction to that than the one you talked about. the yoga kill is actually one of my favorite kills in like the last 5 years lmao
@@noelkempsterit's like she gave up instantly XD. No duck and roll around him or even just tumbling down that cliff to the river (totally doable tbh). She was like "nah, my time has come" LMAO
I loved the ending; it was so refreshing. The whole sequence with the lady driver built so much tension. Her choice of words cause you to constantly wonder if she was evil or not and played with your expectations of what was going to happen. Finally seeing that the final girl's continued paranoia was not warranted was so relieving and made for a satisfying ending.
I thought the twist was gonna be that the final girl was the killer and she'd been possessed by the necklace cos the way that muffled sound stopped when she gets in the car. I took that as how the killer could hear under the mask etc
@@ericw48 dude that end sequence went on for too long. there was no reason for it to be that long and there was no prior context or showcase of that happening to any other character so that’s not what i felt at all. it felt so built up for absolutely nothing to happen we just had that damn lady try to help final girl not bleed out while she begged to get rushed to the hospital, after what felt like an eternity of some bad dialogue. it’s just the same shot back and fourth there’s no “tension” (if you could even call it that in this snooze fest movie) it felt like every shot was extended to pad time, that campfire scene was especially egregious. this movie sucked man.
I didn't see the ending as a relief. I took it to mean she would always be looking over her shoulder. Like, she looks into the forest at the end, and still imagines he's out there looking back.
It was billed as a “ambient slasher” and that is exactly what it is. I thought it was great, albeit the ending being somewhat weird. I’d definitely recommend it to slasher fans who want to see something new and different. The kills were the best part to me, they were insanely good.
@@kiillabytez Definitely was not the only reason I said I wanted to watch it or recommended it, and the kills in Terrifier 2 are just gruesome whereas the kills in this movie were creative and different, AND gory.
I think the ending was the girl realizing that even though she’s escaped, she looks into the woods and thinks Johnny’s still coming. I think it’s her realizing she survived, but was it worth it? She’s never gonna feel safe again.
I think the tension of the ending worked well, meaning the fact that we were no longer following Johnny + the way we're conditioned to expect one last kill played into this tension of whether he was going to pop up. But the actual conversation at the end felt a little bit like Rod Serling rolling in at the end of a Twilight Zone episode to explain the themes to us. I would have prefer the conversation was a shorter, simpler version of what we got, so the randomness of nature could be suggested as the final note, but not harped on about for so long that all the subtlety is lost. Also would have preferred Johnny's backstory actually relate to the theme in a bigger way.
It’s so funny you talked about the one kill that isn’t the one everyone is talking about lol the Yoga Kill is the one everyone is talking about. Not a biggie just made me chuckle
Hot take: The Yoga kill was like the 2nd or 3rd best kill in the movie. I was honestly more impressed with the rock because it was hard to tell how in the hell they did it and the woodcutting one.
About 20 minutes into the movie someone in the row behind me told their friend they felt like they were watching them play the Friday the 13th video game lol😂
@@djdepression Not making a correlative statement, just pointing out another slasher from the killer's perspective because Sarah said it was the first time for the subgenre. Additionally, Peeping Tom is another key example (and actually the first).
Once people realize this a movie that makes fun of killers like Jason (most specifically cheesy Jason sequels, as the all the characters have dialogue like their in a sequel) then you enjoy it. The rangers death was funny because you can tell the killer intended to take off every limb, but it was taking too long and even he got bored 😂
And the ending is great because normally the movie would end with the survivor driving off. But realistically you’d be awkwardly sitting there traumatized next to a stranger…
I thought literally the exact same thing about the ranger death. It felt weirdly tame when it shouldn’t have. They could’ve done more. It left me thinking ‘what would Art do?’
I disagree. Was the only kill in the movie when I felt like I was watching a snuff film with a bunch of people in the theater. The other kills were bloody great though.
see i was expecting way worse from that kill too. i thought maybe he would put the guy in the machine to where it would split him down the middle crotch first or something absolutely insane like that.
"going on and on" describes the whole movie for me. It felt like 6 mins of dude coming out of his grave. 70% of the movie was just a dude walking in the woods. I felt like they lingered on the ranger for 2 mins after his head came off with nothing happening. No tension, didn't care about any characters.
The park ranger scene was the most unsettling scene for me in the whole movie. My husband felt like they could have pushed that scene farther too but for me it felt super believable as this undead child just sorta playing around and moving on.
Are we 100% sure that it's Jonny and not his dad? Remember the film is full of misinformation about Johnny's origin. At the very least they seem to agree that Johnny was not just a kid but a "child". There's nothing child size about that revenge zombie.
@@FranSanTeeth90it seemed to me like johnny was supposed to also be a kind of leatherface type. like both just naturally really physically large for their age and probably closer to a teenager in age but in some way mentally impaired (hopefully that’s the correct term? i’m not entirely sure) which makes them both childlike in nature (no pun intended) as well as both growing up in an environment that was not sympathetic to their mental impairments (save for johnny’s father) which would likely cause them to revert even further back into a childlike state. cause when he’s referred to as a child it seems mostly coddling coming from his dad and condescending coming from others. also i think johnny’s just generally supposed to be much more of an abstract humanoid-monster than a zombie. it seems to me like if anything he’s a physical manifestation of how the community surrounding those woods can taint a place that is so visually beautiful. esp bc there’s smth abt the way he looks that blends in w the rest of the landscape, almost like when he got up from the ground he took some of it w him. idk if any of this makes sense but that’s just how i saw it lol
@@averyc8761 it does. I don't agree with all of it but you explained yourself well. I think MM was just a very strong normal man. Or possibly like a lot of people on the spectrum his perception of pain is markedly different. Remember the pre credit scene of Halloween MM is a normal sized little boy and teen. Jason was basically normal but husky. But Jason X reconned that in a delightful way. Jason Voorhees has an advanced healing mutation, that the US and eventually all world governments exploit to turn new genetic humans into fast healing Jasons.
@SanFranDentist94301 I believe the movie is poking fun at Friday the 13th, and how Jason was a child at the end of the first movie, but a grown dude in the second movie, which takes place a few weeks/months later, and there is zero explanation for this lore wise
I remember watching the ending and feeling somewhat tense because normally you’d expect something to happen, but after she kept talking I fell from that high 😅
Yes! The end sequence was incredibly tense for me. You spend the whole movie within relative safety only for it to shift and become dangerous all of a sudden.
i liked it, but i think it needed to be tightened up or had more needless kills, like him just encountering more groups and taking them out bc they were there and not bc they had the locket - this also would explain the bear story more at the end. I also kind of wish the movie ended with us following him going back to rest. Also, the movie reminded me of that VHS short with the sentient zombie with the gopro on a bike.
I personally really liked the movie, it’s not for everyone but I found the kills to be great and I found the walking scenes to be really soothing for some reason lol
the ending killed it for me, but mostly because in a way i was rooting for johnny to finish everyone off. they had the ranger tell the kids that even if johnny gets the necklace back he wouldn’t stop and he’d go after them all but then he literally does stop once he has the necklace lol. it also would have been more interesting to follow him all the way to the end; does he just bury himself back in the dirt? does he simply wander off?
I think the woman at the end telling the story about a “bear” running amok is actually Johnny, I do agree it drags on a little too much and does feel disconnected so the ending feels like “ok? Is that it?
No the bear suffered from a rampage disease that just makes it go apeshit and try to kill anything. Johnny is the same type but is an angry spirit in a zombie form
@@grim_2000 I feel like the film maker tried comparing him to a wild animal like it's a brand new idea, but the truth is people in the real world have been calling real serial killers animals too.. So the impact wasn't even there. I was like "okay... so he's like an animal, so what?" but she continues for like 10 more minutes. Like if you wanna have a long monologue as your ending, it would be better comparing the killer to something else. Something that hasn't been done before, something people never thought of. So that by the end of the monologue audience go thinking "oh yeah.... he really was like that thing. I never noticed those 2 things are fundamentally the same". But instead we got an "analogy" that just fell flat. That story was not thought provoking at all.
@@tenerife_sea pretty much. IMO nothing really worked in that movie, except for couple kills. "New" concept turned out to be boring & everything was 'meh'.
It defintely drags on. I appreciate the intent of the scene. It gives us one little mysterious suggestion about the killer, a little bit of reference to the themes of the movie. But it certainly used far too many words to say that when it could have used fewer and probably would have had more kick.
I agree with you. I’ve heard from a lot of folks that they felt a ton of tension in the last 10-15 minutes….? That was lost on me. I didn’t feel it, at least not in a significant enough way to warrant that drawn-out sequence. It ended with a sad little whimper for a movie that had some really good tension up until that point.
@@cameronbleecker9072 I think the whole point is that it isn't an ending; because Johnny is a force of nature to the area and his rampages will come time and time again and always continue.
Same the killer doesn’t die she most likely didn’t either at least strangers chapter 1 showed us what happened to her in the post credit scene. The movie is a 7 but it make me think they did to purposely make a sequel
Re: the ending - I do believe the lady’s rambling was a combination of her attempt at keeping the girl from falling asleep until they could reach help (since it was a long drive out of those woods and someone with that much trauma/blood loss shouldn’t fall asleep because they might not wake back up) + the director toying with us and pushing the paranoia one last time in making us wonder if the strange lady had ulterior motives! Honestly, don’t feel stupid at all for not liking the ending. Like you mentioned, they really pushed the subtlety in a way that may have been TOO subtle for many. However, as someone who lives in a lush, woody southern town, the setting was right up my alley! But yeah, I TOTALLY understand that this movie won’t work for everyone. Ps, Re: the gore - a young adult couple behind me did actually walk out of the theater following the yoga scene!
I assumed with the ending that Johnny was the bear and whilst the guys head is in the water, he comes across the locket and returns to his resting place and that's why the 'bear' was never found. And that's why he doesn't show up in the final 10 minutes because he has the locket back
I went in knowing it was a slow burn, so that helped me enjoy it more. I think my favorite thing about it was the sound design(?). It was so immersive it felt like you were there. I’m glad I saw it in theatre’s because being at home would’ve made the difference the first watch. I gave it a 7.5/10. I appreciate the original idea and enjoyed myself, but not sure I’ll watch it again.
I think the "joke" with the log splitter scene, was that Johnny WAS going to cut off every limb, but the machine was so slow even he couldn't stand it snd just said "screw it". Head.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that felt the log splitter scene was the most unsettling. The subtlety of having his eyes move ever so slightly here and there as he was paralyzed and being dismembered was what made it feel so disturbing to me. I don’t know how anyone could get nauseous but it was the scene that made me uncomfy in a “wow that looks authentic” sense
Wait wait wait..... The wood cutter was THE KILL for you???? Everyone I've talked to about this. Movie only talks about the Yoga scene..... Interesting.
The wood cutter was way more disturbing than the yoga one. The girl was dead fairly quickly. The guy in the woodcutter had to go through a lot, and very slowly, before it ended.
I didn’t mind the ending, really hammering home the metaphor of the story and emphasizing the trauma on the final girl, but I wish the themes had been a bit more consistent throughout
I did mind the ending, cause like why tf are we supposed to care about this character who pretty much did nothing the whole film, after following the killer the rest of the time? Movie should’ve just ended at her escaping and save us like 20 minutes
@@Thecleetusi kind of agree w both of you two. the ending was a slog in a sense but i do like that throughout the movie you do at least a little bit feel for johnny due to him being a traumatized youth, then that being complicated by the ending hammering home the trauma he’s caused to another innocent youth. i think if anything it shows that there is smth promising in this directors future in the genre
I liked it in concept but not in execution. Letting the getaway driver give a little aside that ties into the themes is a good way to wrap up the movie, but they took entirely too many words to get that across. It probably would have been more effective if it were short and sweet, left you with a question to ponder instead of a spelled out thesis. And switching to the perspective of the survivor offers a clever way to suddenly create tension because we no longer know where the killer is. Couple that with the cliche of the 'last kill' in a movie and it's a nice little moment leaving your audience wondering if he's gonna pop out. I think the themes could have been better throughout if Johnny's backstory lined up a bit better with the themes. Relate whatever tragedy happened to him with the tragedy of people not respecting the power of nature. Then, when we watch this guy trudging along basically trying to shut everyone up and bring back a little peace to his forest domain, the two things feel inherently connected, he feels more sympathetic and interesting as some kind of balancing force of nature, and your backstory is a little more unique in its presentation.
i feel like the ending made it extra clear that johnny was a metaphor for nature taking revenge on humans for its exploitation / climate change. the "henhouse syndrome" the woman in the truck brings up ties into the ruthlessness / totality of how nature will enact karma for deforestation, fossil fuel pollution, etc. also the title started to make sense to me halfway through, like why didn't they just call it "violently" or "violent" but the specific word nature makes the setting an actual character / presence in the film. humans often think we're in complete control over the world around us when in reality we're a lot more vulnerable and fragile than we think. overall i loved the artsiness / quietness of the film, it really made the violence more impactful and the calm shots toward the end more foreboding.
YES! THIS! This was the whole point of the ending if not the entire film. I was shocked Sarah thought she was "going on and on about nothing". That woman is talking about THE THEME of the movie. We're only four walls, a roof, and the thin veil of society away from running thru the dark words screaming in fear like any other animal. The scene of the final girl running in the dark was so traumatic, once she gets out of it you really understand the headspace she's in, plus you're expecting the One Final Scare trope. I was white knuckling the last fifteen minutes and thought how it ended was brilliantly subversive and moving.
Having Johnny be a metaphor for nature is just kind of dumb. Johnny is a dead human killing people to gain his mother's locket back, none of that motif screams "Environmentalist" to me. I can see him as an allegory for animal abuse, specifically wild animals. The first couple of scenes we see a bear trap and a decomposing animal, set up by the hunters son. Idk I see Johnny more of a metaphor for a wild animal, and not so much revenge for climate change.
@@citizenvulpes4562 I mean fair point but wild animals are literally part of nature and usually the mascots for environmentalism and the effects of climate change (see polar bears on melting sea ice, Australian wildlife fleeing bushfires, etc). I think what makes the climate change allegory so apt is the timing … yes throughout human history we’ve had an antagonistic relationship with wildlife but never before have we had this scale of industrial deforestation and other forms of habitat loss. That’s why we’re at the start of what scientists are dubbing the next mass extinction event
I agree the ending was a lot of rambling & pretty uneventful. My guess was "the bear" was possibly Johnny attacking the guy, and the guy somehow, made it out and thought it was an animal? This was a "slasher" flick, and they left out that classic, final jump scare. It was a montage of pretty scenery.
i hated the ending too. the final girl wasn’t really giving final girl energy imo either. i would’ve liked to see them put up more of a fight too. but i can’t say i didn’t enjoy the film. it was interesting, gory, atmospheric, but boring at times.
When you talked about wanting more from the scene with the log splitter all i could think about is how darkly funny that scene is. Like, im certain Johnny's plan WAS to go limb by limb but realized how long it would take and remembered the teens he wanted to kill were still running around.
I was born and raised in Ontario so the look of this movie was perfect to me. I also really enjoyed the ending. I found it to be the scariest part of the film and it wasn’t afraid to present itself as the thesis of the movie.
Spoilers: the point of the "long end" was to demonstrate that all Johnny wanted was the locket to stop killing. Yes the fire ritual would have made him slumber but they could made had a truce and gave him the locket back. After she gave it back he stopped chasing her, but she doesn't know that. It "drags on" to show how she will be scared and looking over her shoulder for god knows how long. She has no idea she's safe but her life is forever changed.
This is the correct take. The part that 'dragged' for many in the comments was the most tense part of the movie for me. There are definitely tweaks I would make to the movie, but overall I thought it was pretty well done.
@@jamesmarshall6619 I watched it at home alone and I did laugh when he uses the body to smash the glass case at the ranger station, and the body just falls to the floor lifeless. I'm not sure why I found that so funny but I'm glad I didn't have to explain myself to anybody, lol.
I think the movie tried to follow this theme of "violence" in nature. From the dog at the beginning, to the bear story, to the kills. At the end the final girl is just paranoid about nature. The primal fear we all used to have. A little too pretentious for me, but it's aight.
Not even just pretentious, it's self-masturbatory about it. The movie jacks itself off at the end by beating the meaning over our head through a 10-15 minute exposition dump.
@@citizenvulpes4562 agreed, I don't even consider myself the smartest of people but c'mon...I get it, nature scary, woods no bueno. But again, good movie, just not all that it's hyped up to be
i saw it saturday and really liked it. i wish they hadn’t shown the dummy heads of the victims or at least not as close because it does make the movie sit in this weird place between artsy and campy. otherwise, i was willing to look past some of the pacing issues because i like so much of the rest of it. also i found the hotwheels scene cute in a morbid way 😅
I feel like had the wood splitter scene kept going it would have ventured into boring territory with how slow paced it was, it was the right call to not spend too much time on it IMO. Also you, you forgot the yoga kill, the one everyone's talking about.
i think the ending was alright. i can see the vision that they were trying to convey the everlasting trauma this girl would have and also ramp up the audience tension to a high degree. i was waiting for something to happen during that entire sequence. it did feel like it didn't have a satisfying payoff, but it definitely had that more artsy/indie feel that i agree the whole movie should've leaned into. hated the acting and the characters and the exposition; i wanted something vague and horrific. overall, i probably won't watch it again. also sidenote: a lot of the comments here say they thought you were talking about the yoga kill and i have to agree, that was definitely the most iconic kill for me. i agree that the ranger kill could've been a lot better. thank you for the review! :)
I thought the last fifteen minutes was okay and I kind of liked it. I think the reason why she was mentioning the bear was that it’s actually Johnny/John that had tried to kill Bobby (since it was never stated that they saw the bear themselves). Idk if I am just dumb but that’s what I took from it personally. Or that they are comparing Johnny/John to that of a viscous animal? I get where you’re coming from though and I can see how it is totally unsatisfying
I've not yet seen this movie but I'll say that I thought The Poughkeepsie Tapes handled the mystery of the killer's identity very well. It's better not to know some things.
I wanted to like this movie so badly. I just didn’t. After seeing the positive reactions to it online, I genuinely questioned my horror fan credibility 😆 Everybody keeps saying that only true horror fans will understand it. I didn’t understand it. It had a couple good kills, but that’s about it for me.
I loved it but to me it's very easy to see why other people don't like it. To me, all horror movie fans should see it and really, I would only recommend it to horror fans because it's so different. I also disagree that only true horror fans will understand it, I don't think it was that deep, but the movie was made to challenge in a way and it's a movie seemingly made for horror fans with the purpose of testing horror fans on the question of "Do you really want to see what it would be like if we followed Jason?" One way or another this movie kind of answers the question and opinions will be all over the place and it feels like the movie was made to do that, cause opinions to be all over the place. Don't question your horror fan credibility, this movie was unique that an opinion like yours makes perfect sense.
That was pretty hilarious when she said that she had heard that someone had vomited after watching the #1 kill scene. I just started busting out laughing hearing that. It was gruesome. So glad that I didn’t eat anything before the movie, lol.
An entire slasher film from the perspective from the killer seems like a cool idea in theory. But I can see myself getting tired of it quickly. It seems like that would take away a lot of the suspense. But probably not a lot of jumpscares I hope.
I feel like behind the mask, the rise of leslie vernon did a good job, but I can see why that wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. It's more of a comedy/slasher.
I loved it. It was exactly what I thought it would be with the added bonus of several humorous moments that had me laughing out loud. The kills were fantastic and the special effects were on another level. This was definitely not the old 1980's horror slasher music video movie we've all come to expect. I think Johnny the killer might have just become the latest horror cult favorite slasher killer and I'm hopeful for a part 2 in the not so distinct future. I gave this movie a 7 out of 10. Im so glad they didn't overthink this little gem.
I really liked the contrast between the gorgeous backdrop of nature with brutal violence. It was eerie because everything else was so calm when someone was being brutally murdered. The ranger's death definitely could have been longer.
I felt the ending was really good. I loved how it builds tension that went no where. The creator said he purposely did things like the ending to piss off viewers and critics.
I feel the one arm was a very good choice personally. I don’t think you’re weird for that though. I just like their choice. I felt the dialogue at the end sounded cool as hell but not entirely necessary for sure. Great video!
i can see why some people didnt enjoy the long shots or the way this movie was filmed, or didnt really get the ending. but honestly i thought the filming style was super cool and intriguing, also the walking shots are pretty aesthetically pleasing. i didnt find the ending boring at all, it kept me on the edge because i thought johnny was going to jump back in reminiscent of the chainsaw massacre remake, even though he didnt i still didnt mind it
This was a 10/10 for me, but I don't blame anyone for hating it. It's slow and weird, and that is definitely not for everyone, but the sound design is amazing, and it builds off of instead of subverting audience expectations.
The ending was to build suspense because you think that he’s going to appear out of nowhere. Personally I think it was achieved well, it had me at the edge of my seat the whole time.
the song that plays through the credits is SUCH an earworm -- i feel like it's going to stick with me longer than the film itself haha ~always a black fly where ever i go~ i totally agree with you that it would have been better without all the dialogue (especially with weak actors) -- i think this is the first movie i've ever heard use the word ableist, and it sucks that a lot of people are reading that character as annoying and "deserving" the kill she got :-( like it just leaves a really weird taste in my mouth i'm not a slasher girlie, and in a violent nature, scream, cabin in the woods, happy death day and behind the mask: the rise of leslie vernon are basically the whole catalogue of slashers that have strong rewatch value for me. really really hoping this paves the way for more artistic and modern takes on slashers tho 🤞🤞
also, i'll nerd out a little with some literary analysis regarding the ending ((so spoilers ahead, obvi)): to start off, i also think it wasn't a strong ending. i think they could have accomplished the same messaging in like 2 minutes of screen time and saved the pacing from feeling so awkward. so, like, i'm not Defending it, just sharing what i took away from it so, a lot of folks understand the classic slashers through the lens of jeffrey jerome cohen's monster culture (seven theses), where the slasher is a cultural body punishing social deviations like teen promiscuity and "rewarding" the purity of a final girl through her survival. this classic formula has become pretty passe at this point, with films like cabin in the woods giving more modern, meta takes on tired tropes. the seven theses is definitely still worth a read though, because it can be applied more generally, and doesn't actually feed into these tropes. it just helps understand what tropes are present in a movie that said, what sets in a violent nature apart is it's reluctance to adhere to certain tropes while sticking to others. there's a blonde girl, yes, but she's not the dumb blonde stereotype. the final girl is in a committed relationship, and there's no reason to think she's a virgin. like, they hit a lot the staples of the genre in clever ways ((the scared girls at the gas station that are mentioned a few times were the portents of death, the ranger is the common mentor/ expert figure and is seeded really early, the body being "hidden" in the ranger station to be found later is a common plot beat, etc)) so it's not like it's trying to completely redefine the genre -- the main thing that's different is the killer's drive and the deaths putting it super simply, this slasher more is like the killers in the strangers than those in halloween or friday the 13th. classic slashers are scary on one level because they kill people (duh) but on another because they're punishing characters for common "transgressions." the really long speech about how bears and other animals sometimes kill for no reason anybody can understand is clearly meant to be applied to johnny, too. like the review mentioned, he seems to kill without a pattern. sometimes torturing people, sometimes killing them quickly and brutally. unlike a lot of classic slashers, he doesn't *really* stab any of his victims ((the hook feels different than a knife, to me at least)), and the lack of stabbing prevents the really common read of an impotent killer using a knife instead of his [redacted for youtube comments, but yknow what i mean haha]. in this movie, characters die just for existing in a certain space. not for anything specific *they've* done. i think this pivot makes a lot of sense in films geared towards an audience raised during the war on terror, where the threat of a third world war is so taken for granted that it's become meme-fodder. i saw a letterboxd review compare this movie to a nature documentary, and i think that's a really interesting perspective -- like, from that pov, this is a very, very nihilistic movie, but also timely in its own way. it's also notable that johnny kills the basically-a-maga hat guy from the beginning and the progressive blonde girl in similarly brutal ways: personal politics don't save anyone ((tbh this felt kinda goofy to me -- the scripting was so awkward for both these characters but it's there, so, *shrugs*)) tbh i think they could have hammered this point home by having johnny leave no survivors and cause a car wreck ((or even by having like a shock ending where the driver kills the final girl)) but alas :-( that ending probably would have pissed a lot of people off just as much as the weird monologue tldr: the idea that johnny is a product of an incomprehensible pattern of nature, like a bear that's killing indiscriminately for no reason, is meant to be scarier to a modern audience than the idea of a more rule-following classic slasher :-) if michael myers and jason vorhees were weird, impotant and puritanical vigilantes, johnny is a natural disaster ahhhh this comment is so long 🙈i hope it's not totally incomprehensible and that someone gets something out of it
I really liked the fact that they leaned hard into all the slasher troupes. I like to think this was purposeful, so the audience could experience all the over done cliche stuff from a new perspective. I mean, they even did the “what are you waiting for?!?!” Scene from every early 2000s slasher. The writer definitely knew what he was doing. I thought the movie was near perfect, and in my opinion you are over thinking it. It’s meant to be a cliche slasher b movie horror juxtaposed with an artsy atmospheric perspective. My only complaint is the terrible acting, and the insanely long monologue from the lady in the truck. The way she kept going in and out of that forced southern accent gave me a headache.
I totally agree with you on the writer’s genius way of handling cliche horror tropes! My favorite was the final two completely failing at whispering about their escape attempt. Nothing irks me more than people not shutting the eff up in dire situations AND when they announce themselves upon confronting a killer! That scene really sold it for me. The ending brought it home. The strange lady calmly and correctly tried her best to keep the final girl awake because you should do everything in your power to keep someone with massive blood loss from falling asleep as they may not wake back up. In addition to that, I was personally on edge during the monologue because I wasn’t yet convinced she wasn’t also a killer 😂
@@deafasabat that’s a fair point about the monologue in the end. It was more the acting that bothered me, not the monologue itself. She goes in and out of simple folk country talk to talking like a normal person, throwing in a random southern accent here and there. It sounded like an actor rehearsing their monologue and trying out different voices and deliveries. I realize I am being over critical, of course. Despite the little nitpicks, this movie is brilliant and such a unique approach to an otherwise worn out genre of horror. A modern classic for sure.
I always catch myself Thinking about all those stories(someone puke or left the cinema because of the violence) aren’t you going to watch a slasher movie ? What exactly are those people waiting for ?
the final girl perspetive had me on the edge of my seat to go nowhere, the anxiety of that long drive waiting for something bad to happen to never happen and just drown us with exposition ruined it for me. I wish they brought some fresh ideas to the killer to seperate him from Jason Voorhees, the scene where he plays with the toy car, was just such a treat, that was the experimentation I wanted more of.
I feel like some of her negative opinions were related to moments she had the time line wrong? Person was swimming by herself before they knew about a killer so they had no reason to be scared. Locket was the last scene and not the drive.
i was actually really pleasantly surprised that it was supernatural, as i had assumed it’d just be some regular person going on a killing spree. i was hoping that each time we caught up with the victims, they’d be going through the classic slasher/horror tropes, i.e. sitting around the campfire telling the ghost story, getting suspicious after their friends start going missing, the ranger confirming the story is true and telling them how bad they messed up, them formulating and executing their plan to take the killer down - and the movie delivered on that. i know this isn’t the first horror movie to follow the killer instead of the victims, but i feel like it’s the first i’ve seen be so tongue-in-cheek about it all lol.
The ending isn't exposition. To me it was to build lasting tension because you didn't realize how your only comfort previously was that you always knew where Johnny was, but the second you didn't it was scary. I think the lady's story was an attempt to keep the Final girl conscious so she didn't slip into a coma which was why she stopped the car. That was her only concern.
The ending was perfect! You're waiting for something to happen, it gives some depth. The only issue with the ending is the girl doesn't get any screen time beforehand, so you don't really care about her. The ending gives the move depth.
So I appreciate this movie for what it was, every frame was composed beautifully! But overall it was a bit underwhelming as it drew out. Those kills were fun tho!!
I agree with most of what you said here, but I don't like when people say, "people just don't act like that". Everyone is different. Some people have more survival instinct than others, and some people care more than others about protecting each other, and some people just NEED to be alone sometimes.
After watching the movie I think the reason why those girls were swimming alone is because they had kind of like a relationship or a side thing going on with each other and maybe they wanted to be isolated from everyone if I'm not mistaken
Yea that is one thing that stood out to me the most in the trailer it looks like it’s the same location where they filmed the first crow movie where they show Eric and Shelly and her family cabin where they are in the field of flowers next to the cabin to the point where you can say it’s the same universe
Here is how I interpreted the ending. I think the whole film was designed to make the audience a co-conspirator with Johnny. And if you're a horror geek like me, you find yourself cheering for each kill. The victims are, for the most part, established as douchebags, and we don't really care about them. But then, we switch to the final girl, a person we don't care about, and we're forced to sit with her for the final 15 to 20 minutes, and with her rescuer. And the whole movie just slows down even more kind of as a punishment. Why are we being punished? Because we like movies like this. Because the reason we are showing up is to see the violent kills. Because we, the audience, are literally the ones who are living in a violent nature by virtue of our attraction to this film. So the end of the movie is kind of a lecture, kind of the filmmaker saying "Don't forget about the victims!" PS I hated it too.
The very minute you put the first clip on, I thought right away Friday the 13th. The slow walk, the long shots , I don't know about this one. I'll see if you can convince me. ❤ YA !
While I also did not enjoy the ending as much I do have an appreciation for it because I think it was intended as an explanation of trauma after events such as these and how while if you think rationally even though the killer would in no way be able to have reached her in the truck she still has that sense of paranoia. I think the scene after having her stare off into the woods was a good indication of that
I watched Infested even though you suggested I not, as I'm afraid of tiny skittery creatures of all kinds. I did so because being a fan of the horror genre while avoiding things that truly scare me, personally, feels like a cop-out, so I watched it to test myself and I swear there's still a part of me on that couch just shaking in icky feels. Just wanted you to know that. That said, I plan on giving this a whirl because the perspective interests the hell outta me and the upping of the gore skill ceiling intrigues me as well. I hadn't heard anything about this one until you posted this, so thanks.
Watched it this weekend the cinematography was gorgeous 10/10 .Story idea was great . I loved the night chase scene . Loved the sound design. however what really killed the movie for me was the last 15 minutes with that monologue it was unnecessary .
I thought this movie was great! Surprised to hear you say the effects weren't great, although I agree they were the weakest when Johnny was carrying the head and body of that one guy to the ranger station. It's true that knowing where the killer is removes that "where is he" element of suspense, but it replaces it with a kind of inevitable dread similar to the POV shots of Jaws moving in on the legs of unsuspecting swimmers. You know he's there but it's like watching a train wreck unfold and you see him formulate his plan in real time. I found that to be extremely effective at building tension. Totally expected you to talk about the yoga kill when you said "that kill" although I agree the wood cutter scene was way more disturbing overall. I wish people would stop comparing it to Terrifier because Johnny is nowhere near as manic and over the top as Art. Both movies are gory and have good practical effects, but the tone is completely different. Personally I liked the long tracking shots of Johnny walking. Again it reminded me of Jaws with this force of nature out their in his element with unsuspecting victims nearby. It was also oddly peaceful between kills which played into the movie's theme of nature being beautiful and powerful but still having the capacity for sudden and extreme violence. I've got mixed feelings on the ending. On a first watch you are scanning the woods the whole time wondering if and when Johnny will reappear, which I think is very much intentional. Rewatches will rob the ending of that stress and tension though, so I'm not sure if that makes it a satisfying ending overall.
I felt the same way about the ranger death, I figured he'd go limb by limb with that one. Id almost rather him just do the head vs the arm AND then the head. Ending was super weird. I loved the montage scene of her running through the woods in the dark, shot from behind & you can hear the noises in the background, & it just engulfs you. I felt so freaked out at that point, i wish it had maybe just cut to the end there or that it had more tension
SPOILER ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️The ending monologue between Kris and the Women who rescued her is meant to compare Jhonny (the killer) to a raging bear. She further solidifies this by mentioning the henhouse syndrome, how predators keep killing prey until they feel fulfilled. It’s meant to foreshadow the next shot, when they zoom back to where Kris left the locket to show it’s been taken , thus fulfilling his killing spree.
i get what the director's tryinna do with that dull ending. he's building tension based on the audience's expectations that SOMETHING would happen...but, it just went on waaayyyy TOO LONG, that it missed the whole point of it.
Just got done watching. I thought he was going to do a wishbone kill on the woodsplitter. I agree with most of your critiques. I also don’t really know how to feel. The ending just seemed like filler. Like “why do I care about this random lady’s story, or the girl in the truck?” And then…NOTHING. Oh. Well he got his necklace back
Seems like it might be for me, i like calming movies, there have been movies that storywise don't have much going for them but their presentation makes you feel so at ease, i know the violent moment are probably to snap you out of that but thats fine, it just putting another genre i like into another genre i like
I agree with you about the Ranger. I was expecting Joseph (I think that’s the killer’s name) to split the Ranger in half Art the Clown style, but he didn’t, and I was kinda bummed hahaha. I liked it overall though. Solid 6.5/10 for me.
How did you not talk about the yoga girl omg 😭💀 but yeah I agree with everything you said lol I also felt the ranger death could've been pushed a bit more, I think some different cinematography choices could've made it more disturbing but was still creepy as it is
1) I think some of your gripes go away when you consider the specific choices of the film. When you talked about the dumb choices and acting, I think it's important to understand this film isn't from the kid's perspective. Like, there's an entirely different movie happening from their perspective, where they're learning things at different times from when they actually happen. But since this is from Johnny's perspective, of course the kids basically sound like NPCs. Johnny's not interested in how well they're acting. The ONLY reason anyone dies in this film is because they make noise. Literally, Johnny only ever moves in the direction of sounds he hears. But they don't know that because they have no idea they're being watched by someone. 2) The Ranger death probably would've been longer but I think, in movie, Johnny realized that log splitter was even slower than him and changed his mind. 3) You totally missed the entire point of the ending. The final girl has been rescued but her trauma continues. This is in line with what other final girls who appear in sequels have gone through. Alice, Nancy, Laurie...they've all been completely altered. She's waiting for him to come get her, which logically wouldn't make sense because of how slow he moves. But that doesn't really matter to someone experiencing PTSD.
Pretty sure they only did the ending part with the old lady because she was played by an actress from Friday the 13th part 2. They just wanted that sweet cameo.
It's horror ASMR.
It was so calming. I dozed off a couple times 😂
That whispering bit for sure!😁
I thought I was the only one.. definitely made me doze off 😅
It’s definitely not. It’s trash
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i’m surprised THAT was The Kill. i would’ve thought the yoga kill was The Kill lol, i had a FAR stronger reaction to that than the one you talked about. the yoga kill is actually one of my favorite kills in like the last 5 years lmao
The yoga kill had me cackling because of how little she tried to run
The theater I was in had only nine people and I was the only one that laughed. I thought "Dang, am I really that disturbed?"
@@noelkempsterit's like she gave up instantly XD. No duck and roll around him or even just tumbling down that cliff to the river (totally doable tbh). She was like "nah, my time has come" LMAO
@@krismarshall3803 she ran for .2 seconds and then just stood there lmao
@@noelkempster for real she just gave up, it was SO funny
the old lady at the end is Lauren-Marie Taylor, who played “Vickie” in friday the 13th part 2!
I loved Vickie from Friday The 13th part 2. So cool she’s in this movie
very cool throwback! Wish they did her scene in a better way though..
Really, I didn't catch that, f@#$ she was annoying, lol
I loved the ending; it was so refreshing. The whole sequence with the lady driver built so much tension. Her choice of words cause you to constantly wonder if she was evil or not and played with your expectations of what was going to happen. Finally seeing that the final girl's continued paranoia was not warranted was so relieving and made for a satisfying ending.
I thought the twist was gonna be that the final girl was the killer and she'd been possessed by the necklace cos the way that muffled sound stopped when she gets in the car. I took that as how the killer could hear under the mask etc
@@ericw48 exactly!
@@ericw48 dude that end sequence went on for too long. there was no reason for it to be that long and there was no prior context or showcase of that happening to any other character so that’s not what i felt at all. it felt so built up for absolutely nothing to happen we just had that damn lady try to help final girl not bleed out while she begged to get rushed to the hospital, after what felt like an eternity of some bad dialogue. it’s just the same shot back and fourth there’s no “tension” (if you could even call it that in this snooze fest movie) it felt like every shot was extended to pad time, that campfire scene was especially egregious. this movie sucked man.
I didn't see the ending as a relief. I took it to mean she would always be looking over her shoulder. Like, she looks into the forest at the end, and still imagines he's out there looking back.
I honestly thought he was gonna cut the ranger from the legs up you know like cut him in half not limbs by limbs
It was billed as a “ambient slasher” and that is exactly what it is. I thought it was great, albeit the ending being somewhat weird. I’d definitely recommend it to slasher fans who want to see something new and different. The kills were the best part to me, they were insanely good.
Lol, just watch Terrifier 2 if all you want to see are gruesome kills.
@@kiillabytez Definitely was not the only reason I said I wanted to watch it or recommended it, and the kills in Terrifier 2 are just gruesome whereas the kills in this movie were creative and different, AND gory.
@@merlinho0t They were okay. I still say that the kills in High Tension were better and more visceral and terrifying.
I think the ending was the girl realizing that even though she’s escaped, she looks into the woods and thinks Johnny’s still coming. I think it’s her realizing she survived, but was it worth it? She’s never gonna feel safe again.
I think the tension of the ending worked well, meaning the fact that we were no longer following Johnny + the way we're conditioned to expect one last kill played into this tension of whether he was going to pop up. But the actual conversation at the end felt a little bit like Rod Serling rolling in at the end of a Twilight Zone episode to explain the themes to us. I would have prefer the conversation was a shorter, simpler version of what we got, so the randomness of nature could be suggested as the final note, but not harped on about for so long that all the subtlety is lost. Also would have preferred Johnny's backstory actually relate to the theme in a bigger way.
It’s so funny you talked about the one kill that isn’t the one everyone is talking about lol the Yoga Kill is the one everyone is talking about. Not a biggie just made me chuckle
I agree!
Right!!!! I was expecting her to talk about that scene but no. Honestly the yoga one fucked me up!
The audience reaction was mixed, some were like that’s messed up, one guy kept laughing at every kill scene
@@ashchase8340 yeah I kinda laugh with glee when I see good kills so I get that
Hot take: The Yoga kill was like the 2nd or 3rd best kill in the movie. I was honestly more impressed with the rock because it was hard to tell how in the hell they did it and the woodcutting one.
Maniac is also a gory slasher film shot from the killer's POV!
that movie was way more intense than this. This didn't really work for me and people were def cracking up laughing at most of the kills.
I see where you'd think that, but it's not the same as this movie. This is literally his POV from a third person perspective.
About 20 minutes into the movie someone in the row behind me told their friend they felt like they were watching them play the Friday the 13th video game lol😂
@@djdepression Not making a correlative statement, just pointing out another slasher from the killer's perspective because Sarah said it was the first time for the subgenre. Additionally, Peeping Tom is another key example (and actually the first).
Nightmare is another slasher goodie that is from the Killer's POV predominantly.
Once people realize this a movie that makes fun of killers like Jason (most specifically cheesy Jason sequels, as the all the characters have dialogue like their in a sequel) then you enjoy it. The rangers death was funny because you can tell the killer intended to take off every limb, but it was taking too long and even he got bored 😂
And the ending is great because normally the movie would end with the survivor driving off. But realistically you’d be awkwardly sitting there traumatized next to a stranger…
I thought literally the exact same thing about the ranger death. It felt weirdly tame when it shouldn’t have. They could’ve done more. It left me thinking ‘what would Art do?’
Yeah I love how brutal art is haha
I disagree. Was the only kill in the movie when I felt like I was watching a snuff film with a bunch of people in the theater. The other kills were bloody great though.
see i was expecting way worse from that kill too. i thought maybe he would put the guy in the machine to where it would split him down the middle crotch first or something absolutely insane like that.
@spartan5285 staring at a mannequin for 5 mins isn't what comes to mind when I think "Snuff film".
@@jadesmediacorner I was totally expecting him to go scrote to throat. Kinda disappointed he didn’t.
"going on and on" describes the whole movie for me. It felt like 6 mins of dude coming out of his grave. 70% of the movie was just a dude walking in the woods. I felt like they lingered on the ranger for 2 mins after his head came off with nothing happening.
No tension, didn't care about any characters.
It’s a moodpiece. It’s not really “about” the storyline. Works for some people, doesn’t work for others. Imo it was great.
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@@ghiajohnson1547 hey Gia why you poopin
Yeah it was that bad!!!!!!
Abigail was actually really good!!!!!
It’s a cool concept for a 10-15 minute short film.
Exactly 30 minutes top
The park ranger scene was the most unsettling scene for me in the whole movie. My husband felt like they could have pushed that scene farther too but for me it felt super believable as this undead child just sorta playing around and moving on.
OMG! I felt the same way. This scene was so unsettling because it seemed so….. real. Horrific. No music. No jokes. No one liners.
Are we 100% sure that it's Jonny and not his dad?
Remember the film is full of misinformation about Johnny's origin.
At the very least they seem to agree that Johnny was not just a kid but a "child".
There's nothing child size about that revenge zombie.
@@FranSanTeeth90it seemed to me like johnny was supposed to also be a kind of leatherface type. like both just naturally really physically large for their age and probably closer to a teenager in age but in some way mentally impaired (hopefully that’s the correct term? i’m not entirely sure) which makes them both childlike in nature (no pun intended) as well as both growing up in an environment that was not sympathetic to their mental impairments (save for johnny’s father) which would likely cause them to revert even further back into a childlike state. cause when he’s referred to as a child it seems mostly coddling coming from his dad and condescending coming from others. also i think johnny’s just generally supposed to be much more of an abstract humanoid-monster than a zombie. it seems to me like if anything he’s a physical manifestation of how the community surrounding those woods can taint a place that is so visually beautiful. esp bc there’s smth abt the way he looks that blends in w the rest of the landscape, almost like when he got up from the ground he took some of it w him. idk if any of this makes sense but that’s just how i saw it lol
@@averyc8761 it does. I don't agree with all of it but you explained yourself well.
I think MM was just a very strong normal man. Or possibly like a lot of people on the spectrum his perception of pain is markedly different. Remember the pre credit scene of Halloween MM is a normal sized little boy and teen.
Jason was basically normal but husky.
But Jason X reconned that in a delightful way. Jason Voorhees has an advanced healing mutation, that the US and eventually all world governments exploit to turn new genetic humans into fast healing Jasons.
@SanFranDentist94301 I believe the movie is poking fun at Friday the 13th, and how Jason was a child at the end of the first movie, but a grown dude in the second movie, which takes place a few weeks/months later, and there is zero explanation for this lore wise
I remember watching the ending and feeling somewhat tense because normally you’d expect something to happen, but after she kept talking I fell from that high 😅
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Yeah, it killed the tension for too long. A shorter version of that story would have been for the better.
Yes! The end sequence was incredibly tense for me. You spend the whole movie within relative safety only for it to shift and become dangerous all of a sudden.
i liked it, but i think it needed to be tightened up or had more needless kills, like him just encountering more groups and taking them out bc they were there and not bc they had the locket - this also would explain the bear story more at the end. I also kind of wish the movie ended with us following him going back to rest. Also, the movie reminded me of that VHS short with the sentient zombie with the gopro on a bike.
@@illmeans that is sick
I personally really liked the movie, it’s not for everyone but I found the kills to be great and I found the walking scenes to be really soothing for some reason lol
Same
Same
The walking scenes helped to set the scene and was a good break from the violence for me lol
the ending killed it for me, but mostly because in a way i was rooting for johnny to finish everyone off. they had the ranger tell the kids that even if johnny gets the necklace back he wouldn’t stop and he’d go after them all but then he literally does stop once he has the necklace lol. it also would have been more interesting to follow him all the way to the end; does he just bury himself back in the dirt? does he simply wander off?
you are stunning 😍
see i’m the opposite, i think it’s more interesting to not know where he went lol!
A soothing slasher film.
I think the woman at the end telling the story about a “bear” running amok is actually Johnny, I do agree it drags on a little too much and does feel disconnected so the ending feels like “ok? Is that it?
No the bear suffered from a rampage disease that just makes it go apeshit and try to kill anything. Johnny is the same type but is an angry spirit in a zombie form
Her story is most likely about an actual animal.
But it's used as a parallel to Johnny's story.
@@grim_2000 I feel like the film maker tried comparing him to a wild animal like it's a brand new idea, but the truth is people in the real world have been calling real serial killers animals too.. So the impact wasn't even there. I was like "okay... so he's like an animal, so what?" but she continues for like 10 more minutes. Like if you wanna have a long monologue as your ending, it would be better comparing the killer to something else. Something that hasn't been done before, something people never thought of. So that by the end of the monologue audience go thinking "oh yeah.... he really was like that thing. I never noticed those 2 things are fundamentally the same". But instead we got an "analogy" that just fell flat. That story was not thought provoking at all.
@@tenerife_sea
pretty much.
IMO nothing really worked in that movie, except for couple kills. "New" concept turned out to be boring & everything was 'meh'.
It defintely drags on. I appreciate the intent of the scene. It gives us one little mysterious suggestion about the killer, a little bit of reference to the themes of the movie. But it certainly used far too many words to say that when it could have used fewer and probably would have had more kick.
The ending completely lost me too. Seemed pointless. I was really enjoying the movie until then.
I thought the ending fit perfectly. Really showed her trauma and how she'll never escape it.
I agree with you. I’ve heard from a lot of folks that they felt a ton of tension in the last 10-15 minutes….? That was lost on me. I didn’t feel it, at least not in a significant enough way to warrant that drawn-out sequence. It ended with a sad little whimper for a movie that had some really good tension up until that point.
@@cameronbleecker9072 I think the whole point is that it isn't an ending; because Johnny is a force of nature to the area and his rampages will come time and time again and always continue.
@@opethmike yah the ending was truly amazing
Same the killer doesn’t die she most likely didn’t either at least strangers chapter 1 showed us what happened to her in the post credit scene. The movie is a 7 but it make me think they did to purposely make a sequel
Just wanted to note that the woman in the car was in friday the 13th pt 2! She played Vickie
Re: the ending - I do believe the lady’s rambling was a combination of her attempt at keeping the girl from falling asleep until they could reach help (since it was a long drive out of those woods and someone with that much trauma/blood loss shouldn’t fall asleep because they might not wake back up) + the director toying with us and pushing the paranoia one last time in making us wonder if the strange lady had ulterior motives! Honestly, don’t feel stupid at all for not liking the ending. Like you mentioned, they really pushed the subtlety in a way that may have been TOO subtle for many. However, as someone who lives in a lush, woody southern town, the setting was right up my alley! But yeah, I TOTALLY understand that this movie won’t work for everyone. Ps, Re: the gore - a young adult couple behind me did actually walk out of the theater following the yoga scene!
I assumed with the ending that Johnny was the bear and whilst the guys head is in the water, he comes across the locket and returns to his resting place and that's why the 'bear' was never found. And that's why he doesn't show up in the final 10 minutes because he has the locket back
I went in knowing it was a slow burn, so that helped me enjoy it more. I think my favorite thing about it was the sound design(?). It was so immersive it felt like you were there. I’m glad I saw it in theatre’s because being at home would’ve made the difference the first watch. I gave it a 7.5/10. I appreciate the original idea and enjoyed myself, but not sure I’ll watch it again.
same, the sound design was so good and comfy feeling. That was my fav part along with the shots and a few specific kills.
I think the "joke" with the log splitter scene, was that Johnny WAS going to cut off every limb, but the machine was so slow even he couldn't stand it snd just said "screw it". Head.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that felt the log splitter scene was the most unsettling. The subtlety of having his eyes move ever so slightly here and there as he was paralyzed and being dismembered was what made it feel so disturbing to me. I don’t know how anyone could get nauseous but it was the scene that made me uncomfy in a “wow that looks authentic” sense
Wait wait wait..... The wood cutter was THE KILL for you???? Everyone I've talked to about this. Movie only talks about the Yoga scene..... Interesting.
It went on for SO long, after the head I was like PLEASE don't cut anything else off it's taking forever.
The wood cutter was way more disturbing than the yoga one. The girl was dead fairly quickly. The guy in the woodcutter had to go through a lot, and very slowly, before it ended.
I didn’t mind the ending, really hammering home the metaphor of the story and emphasizing the trauma on the final girl, but I wish the themes had been a bit more consistent throughout
I did mind the ending, cause like why tf are we supposed to care about this character who pretty much did nothing the whole film, after following the killer the rest of the time? Movie should’ve just ended at her escaping and save us like 20 minutes
@@Thecleetusi kind of agree w both of you two. the ending was a slog in a sense but i do like that throughout the movie you do at least a little bit feel for johnny due to him being a traumatized youth, then that being complicated by the ending hammering home the trauma he’s caused to another innocent youth. i think if anything it shows that there is smth promising in this directors future in the genre
I liked it in concept but not in execution. Letting the getaway driver give a little aside that ties into the themes is a good way to wrap up the movie, but they took entirely too many words to get that across. It probably would have been more effective if it were short and sweet, left you with a question to ponder instead of a spelled out thesis. And switching to the perspective of the survivor offers a clever way to suddenly create tension because we no longer know where the killer is. Couple that with the cliche of the 'last kill' in a movie and it's a nice little moment leaving your audience wondering if he's gonna pop out.
I think the themes could have been better throughout if Johnny's backstory lined up a bit better with the themes. Relate whatever tragedy happened to him with the tragedy of people not respecting the power of nature. Then, when we watch this guy trudging along basically trying to shut everyone up and bring back a little peace to his forest domain, the two things feel inherently connected, he feels more sympathetic and interesting as some kind of balancing force of nature, and your backstory is a little more unique in its presentation.
i feel like the ending made it extra clear that johnny was a metaphor for nature taking revenge on humans for its exploitation / climate change. the "henhouse syndrome" the woman in the truck brings up ties into the ruthlessness / totality of how nature will enact karma for deforestation, fossil fuel pollution, etc. also the title started to make sense to me halfway through, like why didn't they just call it "violently" or "violent" but the specific word nature makes the setting an actual character / presence in the film. humans often think we're in complete control over the world around us when in reality we're a lot more vulnerable and fragile than we think. overall i loved the artsiness / quietness of the film, it really made the violence more impactful and the calm shots toward the end more foreboding.
YES! THIS! This was the whole point of the ending if not the entire film. I was shocked Sarah thought she was "going on and on about nothing". That woman is talking about THE THEME of the movie. We're only four walls, a roof, and the thin veil of society away from running thru the dark words screaming in fear like any other animal. The scene of the final girl running in the dark was so traumatic, once she gets out of it you really understand the headspace she's in, plus you're expecting the One Final Scare trope. I was white knuckling the last fifteen minutes and thought how it ended was brilliantly subversive and moving.
Having Johnny be a metaphor for nature is just kind of dumb. Johnny is a dead human killing people to gain his mother's locket back, none of that motif screams "Environmentalist" to me.
I can see him as an allegory for animal abuse, specifically wild animals.
The first couple of scenes we see a bear trap and a decomposing animal, set up by the hunters son. Idk I see Johnny more of a metaphor for a wild animal, and not so much revenge for climate change.
@@citizenvulpes4562 I mean fair point but wild animals are literally part of nature and usually the mascots for environmentalism and the effects of climate change (see polar bears on melting sea ice, Australian wildlife fleeing bushfires, etc). I think what makes the climate change allegory so apt is the timing … yes throughout human history we’ve had an antagonistic relationship with wildlife but never before have we had this scale of industrial deforestation and other forms of habitat loss. That’s why we’re at the start of what scientists are dubbing the next mass extinction event
I agree the ending was a lot of rambling & pretty uneventful.
My guess was "the bear" was possibly Johnny attacking the guy, and the guy somehow, made
it out and thought it was an animal?
This was a "slasher" flick, and they left out that classic, final jump scare.
It was a montage of pretty scenery.
i hated the ending too. the final girl wasn’t really giving final girl energy imo either. i would’ve liked to see them put up more of a fight too. but i can’t say i didn’t enjoy the film. it was interesting, gory, atmospheric, but boring at times.
We barely spent any time with the victims so none of them felt "final"
When you talked about wanting more from the scene with the log splitter all i could think about is how darkly funny that scene is. Like, im certain Johnny's plan WAS to go limb by limb but realized how long it would take and remembered the teens he wanted to kill were still running around.
I was born and raised in Ontario so the look of this movie was perfect to me. I also really enjoyed the ending. I found it to be the scariest part of the film and it wasn’t afraid to present itself as the thesis of the movie.
The dead by daylight comparison is so real that’s funny 😭😂
Spoilers: the point of the "long end" was to demonstrate that all Johnny wanted was the locket to stop killing. Yes the fire ritual would have made him slumber but they could made had a truce and gave him the locket back. After she gave it back he stopped chasing her, but she doesn't know that. It "drags on" to show how she will be scared and looking over her shoulder for god knows how long. She has no idea she's safe but her life is forever changed.
This is the correct take. The part that 'dragged' for many in the comments was the most tense part of the movie for me.
There are definitely tweaks I would make to the movie, but overall I thought it was pretty well done.
The audience I saw it with laughed through the whole movie and erupted for 2 minutes during “the yoga scene “ then a long applause after. Loved it
I wished I had been in the theater you were in because I was in a theater with only 9 people and I was the only one who was laughing throughout.
Sounds like a theatre of psychos
@@jamesmarshall6619 I watched it at home alone and I did laugh when he uses the body to smash the glass case at the ranger station, and the body just falls to the floor lifeless. I'm not sure why I found that so funny but I'm glad I didn't have to explain myself to anybody, lol.
I think the movie tried to follow this theme of "violence" in nature. From the dog at the beginning, to the bear story, to the kills. At the end the final girl is just paranoid about nature. The primal fear we all used to have. A little too pretentious for me, but it's aight.
Not even just pretentious, it's self-masturbatory about it.
The movie jacks itself off at the end by beating the meaning over our head through a 10-15 minute exposition dump.
@@citizenvulpes4562 agreed, I don't even consider myself the smartest of people but c'mon...I get it, nature scary, woods no bueno. But again, good movie, just not all that it's hyped up to be
i saw it saturday and really liked it. i wish they hadn’t shown the dummy heads of the victims or at least not as close because it does make the movie sit in this weird place between artsy and campy. otherwise, i was willing to look past some of the pacing issues because i like so much of the rest of it. also i found the hotwheels scene cute in a morbid way 😅
I feel like had the wood splitter scene kept going it would have ventured into boring territory with how slow paced it was, it was the right call to not spend too much time on it IMO.
Also you, you forgot the yoga kill, the one everyone's talking about.
i think the ending was alright. i can see the vision that they were trying to convey the everlasting trauma this girl would have and also ramp up the audience tension to a high degree. i was waiting for something to happen during that entire sequence. it did feel like it didn't have a satisfying payoff, but it definitely had that more artsy/indie feel that i agree the whole movie should've leaned into. hated the acting and the characters and the exposition; i wanted something vague and horrific. overall, i probably won't watch it again.
also sidenote: a lot of the comments here say they thought you were talking about the yoga kill and i have to agree, that was definitely the most iconic kill for me. i agree that the ranger kill could've been a lot better.
thank you for the review! :)
I thought the last fifteen minutes was okay and I kind of liked it. I think the reason why she was mentioning the bear was that it’s actually Johnny/John that had tried to kill Bobby (since it was never stated that they saw the bear themselves). Idk if I am just dumb but that’s what I took from it personally. Or that they are comparing Johnny/John to that of a viscous animal?
I get where you’re coming from though and I can see how it is totally unsatisfying
Yeah the ending lost me too, I’m really wondering if I somehow missed something. Like there is a meaning I missed
I think the bear was really the killer not a bear
I've not yet seen this movie but I'll say that I thought The Poughkeepsie Tapes handled the mystery of the killer's identity very well. It's better not to know some things.
I wanted to like this movie so badly. I just didn’t. After seeing the positive reactions to it online, I genuinely questioned my horror fan credibility 😆 Everybody keeps saying that only true horror fans will understand it. I didn’t understand it. It had a couple good kills, but that’s about it for me.
I'm with you, it was painfully dull. No tension and I didn't care about any characters.
Don't feel like you're not a true horror fan! Not everyone likes the same stuff.
Don't worry about it. As a person who like horror movies I disagree with people all the time.
I loved it but to me it's very easy to see why other people don't like it. To me, all horror movie fans should see it and really, I would only recommend it to horror fans because it's so different. I also disagree that only true horror fans will understand it, I don't think it was that deep, but the movie was made to challenge in a way and it's a movie seemingly made for horror fans with the purpose of testing horror fans on the question of "Do you really want to see what it would be like if we followed Jason?" One way or another this movie kind of answers the question and opinions will be all over the place and it feels like the movie was made to do that, cause opinions to be all over the place. Don't question your horror fan credibility, this movie was unique that an opinion like yours makes perfect sense.
You have an absolute right to your opinion. If you didn't like it you still keep your true horror fan badge 😉
That was pretty hilarious when she said that she had heard that someone had vomited after watching the #1 kill scene. I just started busting out laughing hearing that. It was gruesome. So glad that I didn’t eat anything before the movie, lol.
I absolutely loved the movie, but I can understand why others dont.
I think that the ending was to keep us guessing whether he would go back for her and I wish he would have but it never did 😭🤣
An entire slasher film from the perspective from the killer seems like a cool idea in theory.
But I can see myself getting tired of it quickly.
It seems like that would take away a lot of the suspense.
But probably not a lot of jumpscares I hope.
i would say it’s pretty suspenseful but all of the characters make such stupid decisions it kinda nullifies the suspense but still a very unique movie
@@icmyceliumAh, okay. I'll check it out.
Thanks!
Lot of horror gets tiring. Most is copy and paste, this was different
I feel like behind the mask, the rise of leslie vernon did a good job, but I can see why that wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. It's more of a comedy/slasher.
@@andrewalvarado5350 plus idk 2006 felt weird for that type of horror
I loved it. It was exactly what I thought it would be with the added bonus of several humorous moments that had me laughing out loud. The kills were fantastic and the special effects were on another level. This was definitely not the old 1980's horror slasher music video movie we've all come to expect. I think Johnny the killer might have just become the latest horror cult favorite slasher killer and I'm hopeful for a part 2 in the not so distinct future. I gave this movie a 7 out of 10. Im so glad they didn't overthink this little gem.
Agreed!😀
@@ChristmasKathy 🤗
I really liked the contrast between the gorgeous backdrop of nature with brutal violence. It was eerie because everything else was so calm when someone was being brutally murdered.
The ranger's death definitely could have been longer.
Maniac with Elijah Wood comes to mind, from your description, though I'd hesitate to call that a 'slasher' exactly.
I felt the ending was really good. I loved how it builds tension that went no where. The creator said he purposely did things like the ending to piss off viewers and critics.
I feel the one arm was a very good choice personally. I don’t think you’re weird for that though. I just like their choice. I felt the dialogue at the end sounded cool as hell but not entirely necessary for sure. Great video!
i can see why some people didnt enjoy the long shots or the way this movie was filmed, or didnt really get the ending. but honestly i thought the filming style was super cool and intriguing, also the walking shots are pretty aesthetically pleasing. i didnt find the ending boring at all, it kept me on the edge because i thought johnny was going to jump back in reminiscent of the chainsaw massacre remake, even though he didnt i still didnt mind it
Imagine the script 😂 killer walks in woods ...
guy "ahhh what did i do to you?!!!"
Guy dies.
I loved how they accidentally took a picture with Johnny in the background at the campfire scene… very awesome movie… 100%
I see your easy to please
This was a 10/10 for me, but I don't blame anyone for hating it. It's slow and weird, and that is definitely not for everyone, but the sound design is amazing, and it builds off of instead of subverting audience expectations.
The ending was to build suspense because you think that he’s going to appear out of nowhere. Personally I think it was achieved well, it had me at the edge of my seat the whole time.
the song that plays through the credits is SUCH an earworm -- i feel like it's going to stick with me longer than the film itself haha ~always a black fly where ever i go~
i totally agree with you that it would have been better without all the dialogue (especially with weak actors) -- i think this is the first movie i've ever heard use the word ableist, and it sucks that a lot of people are reading that character as annoying and "deserving" the kill she got :-( like it just leaves a really weird taste in my mouth
i'm not a slasher girlie, and in a violent nature, scream, cabin in the woods, happy death day and behind the mask: the rise of leslie vernon are basically the whole catalogue of slashers that have strong rewatch value for me. really really hoping this paves the way for more artistic and modern takes on slashers tho 🤞🤞
also, i'll nerd out a little with some literary analysis regarding the ending ((so spoilers ahead, obvi)):
to start off, i also think it wasn't a strong ending. i think they could have accomplished the same messaging in like 2 minutes of screen time and saved the pacing from feeling so awkward. so, like, i'm not Defending it, just sharing what i took away from it
so, a lot of folks understand the classic slashers through the lens of jeffrey jerome cohen's monster culture (seven theses), where the slasher is a cultural body punishing social deviations like teen promiscuity and "rewarding" the purity of a final girl through her survival. this classic formula has become pretty passe at this point, with films like cabin in the woods giving more modern, meta takes on tired tropes. the seven theses is definitely still worth a read though, because it can be applied more generally, and doesn't actually feed into these tropes. it just helps understand what tropes are present in a movie
that said, what sets in a violent nature apart is it's reluctance to adhere to certain tropes while sticking to others. there's a blonde girl, yes, but she's not the dumb blonde stereotype. the final girl is in a committed relationship, and there's no reason to think she's a virgin. like, they hit a lot the staples of the genre in clever ways ((the scared girls at the gas station that are mentioned a few times were the portents of death, the ranger is the common mentor/ expert figure and is seeded really early, the body being "hidden" in the ranger station to be found later is a common plot beat, etc)) so it's not like it's trying to completely redefine the genre -- the main thing that's different is the killer's drive and the deaths
putting it super simply, this slasher more is like the killers in the strangers than those in halloween or friday the 13th. classic slashers are scary on one level because they kill people (duh) but on another because they're punishing characters for common "transgressions." the really long speech about how bears and other animals sometimes kill for no reason anybody can understand is clearly meant to be applied to johnny, too. like the review mentioned, he seems to kill without a pattern. sometimes torturing people, sometimes killing them quickly and brutally. unlike a lot of classic slashers, he doesn't *really* stab any of his victims ((the hook feels different than a knife, to me at least)), and the lack of stabbing prevents the really common read of an impotent killer using a knife instead of his [redacted for youtube comments, but yknow what i mean haha]. in this movie, characters die just for existing in a certain space. not for anything specific *they've* done.
i think this pivot makes a lot of sense in films geared towards an audience raised during the war on terror, where the threat of a third world war is so taken for granted that it's become meme-fodder. i saw a letterboxd review compare this movie to a nature documentary, and i think that's a really interesting perspective -- like, from that pov, this is a very, very nihilistic movie, but also timely in its own way. it's also notable that johnny kills the basically-a-maga hat guy from the beginning and the progressive blonde girl in similarly brutal ways: personal politics don't save anyone ((tbh this felt kinda goofy to me -- the scripting was so awkward for both these characters but it's there, so, *shrugs*))
tbh i think they could have hammered this point home by having johnny leave no survivors and cause a car wreck ((or even by having like a shock ending where the driver kills the final girl)) but alas :-( that ending probably would have pissed a lot of people off just as much as the weird monologue
tldr: the idea that johnny is a product of an incomprehensible pattern of nature, like a bear that's killing indiscriminately for no reason, is meant to be scarier to a modern audience than the idea of a more rule-following classic slasher :-) if michael myers and jason vorhees were weird, impotant and puritanical vigilantes, johnny is a natural disaster
ahhhh this comment is so long 🙈i hope it's not totally incomprehensible and that someone gets something out of it
I agree with the wood splitter 😂 I wanted more choppin! Haha
I really liked the fact that they leaned hard into all the slasher troupes. I like to think this was purposeful, so the audience could experience all the over done cliche stuff from a new perspective. I mean, they even did the “what are you waiting for?!?!” Scene from every early 2000s slasher. The writer definitely knew what he was doing. I thought the movie was near perfect, and in my opinion you are over thinking it. It’s meant to be a cliche slasher b movie horror juxtaposed with an artsy atmospheric perspective. My only complaint is the terrible acting, and the insanely long monologue from the lady in the truck. The way she kept going in and out of that forced southern accent gave me a headache.
I totally agree with you on the writer’s genius way of handling cliche horror tropes! My favorite was the final two completely failing at whispering about their escape attempt. Nothing irks me more than people not shutting the eff up in dire situations AND when they announce themselves upon confronting a killer! That scene really sold it for me. The ending brought it home. The strange lady calmly and correctly tried her best to keep the final girl awake because you should do everything in your power to keep someone with massive blood loss from falling asleep as they may not wake back up. In addition to that, I was personally on edge during the monologue because I wasn’t yet convinced she wasn’t also a killer 😂
@@deafasabat that’s a fair point about the monologue in the end. It was more the acting that bothered me, not the monologue itself. She goes in and out of simple folk country talk to talking like a normal person, throwing in a random southern accent here and there. It sounded like an actor rehearsing their monologue and trying out different voices and deliveries. I realize I am being over critical, of course. Despite the little nitpicks, this movie is brilliant and such a unique approach to an otherwise worn out genre of horror. A modern classic for sure.
I always catch myself Thinking about all those stories(someone puke or left the cinema because of the violence) aren’t you going to watch a slasher movie ? What exactly are those people waiting for ?
the final girl perspetive had me on the edge of my seat to go nowhere, the anxiety of that long drive waiting for something bad to happen to never happen and just drown us with exposition ruined it for me. I wish they brought some fresh ideas to the killer to seperate him from Jason Voorhees, the scene where he plays with the toy car, was just such a treat, that was the experimentation I wanted more of.
Im very shocked there was no mention of the yoga girl kill. I think that one may stick with me awhile.
Ha! Ha! Ha! She really gave us blue balls by not talking about the yoga scene.😂😂😂
I feel like some of her negative opinions were related to moments she had the time line wrong? Person was swimming by herself before they knew about a killer so they had no reason to be scared. Locket was the last scene and not the drive.
i was actually really pleasantly surprised that it was supernatural, as i had assumed it’d just be some regular person going on a killing spree. i was hoping that each time we caught up with the victims, they’d be going through the classic slasher/horror tropes, i.e. sitting around the campfire telling the ghost story, getting suspicious after their friends start going missing, the ranger confirming the story is true and telling them how bad they messed up, them formulating and executing their plan to take the killer down - and the movie delivered on that. i know this isn’t the first horror movie to follow the killer instead of the victims, but i feel like it’s the first i’ve seen be so tongue-in-cheek about it all lol.
Never thought a Slasher movie would make me sleepy...
The ending isn't exposition. To me it was to build lasting tension because you didn't realize how your only comfort previously was that you always knew where Johnny was, but the second you didn't it was scary. I think the lady's story was an attempt to keep the Final girl conscious so she didn't slip into a coma which was why she stopped the car. That was her only concern.
Girl I don’t think that was the kill everyone was talking about 😂 it was def the yoga girl kill
The ending was perfect! You're waiting for something to happen, it gives some depth. The only issue with the ending is the girl doesn't get any screen time beforehand, so you don't really care about her. The ending gives the move depth.
So I appreciate this movie for what it was, every frame was composed beautifully!
But overall it was a bit underwhelming as it drew out. Those kills were fun tho!!
I agree with most of what you said here, but I don't like when people say, "people just don't act like that". Everyone is different. Some people have more survival instinct than others, and some people care more than others about protecting each other, and some people just NEED to be alone sometimes.
After watching the movie I think the reason why those girls were swimming alone is because they had kind of like a relationship or a side thing going on with each other and maybe they wanted to be isolated from everyone if I'm not mistaken
It’s definitely inspired by Friday the 13th. The woman in the truck at the end is from Friday the 13th part 2
Yea that is one thing that stood out to me the most in the trailer it looks like it’s the same location where they filmed the first crow movie where they show Eric and Shelly and her family cabin where they are in the field of flowers next to the cabin to the point where you can say it’s the same universe
Here is how I interpreted the ending. I think the whole film was designed to make the audience a co-conspirator with Johnny. And if you're a horror geek like me, you find yourself cheering for each kill. The victims are, for the most part, established as douchebags, and we don't really care about them. But then, we switch to the final girl, a person we don't care about, and we're forced to sit with her for the final 15 to 20 minutes, and with her rescuer. And the whole movie just slows down even more kind of as a punishment. Why are we being punished? Because we like movies like this. Because the reason we are showing up is to see the violent kills. Because we, the audience, are literally the ones who are living in a violent nature by virtue of our attraction to this film. So the end of the movie is kind of a lecture, kind of the filmmaker saying "Don't forget about the victims!" PS I hated it too.
The very minute you put the first clip on, I thought right away Friday the 13th. The slow walk, the long shots , I don't know about this one. I'll see if you can convince me. ❤ YA !
While I also did not enjoy the ending as much I do have an appreciation for it because I think it was intended as an explanation of trauma after events such as these and how while if you think rationally even though the killer would in no way be able to have reached her in the truck she still has that sense of paranoia. I think the scene after having her stare off into the woods was a good indication of that
Been many many years since there was a slasher film to get excited about! I cannot wait to see it
I watched Infested even though you suggested I not, as I'm afraid of tiny skittery creatures of all kinds. I did so because being a fan of the horror genre while avoiding things that truly scare me, personally, feels like a cop-out, so I watched it to test myself and I swear there's still a part of me on that couch just shaking in icky feels. Just wanted you to know that.
That said, I plan on giving this a whirl because the perspective interests the hell outta me and the upping of the gore skill ceiling intrigues me as well. I hadn't heard anything about this one until you posted this, so thanks.
Watched it this weekend the cinematography was gorgeous 10/10 .Story idea was great . I loved the night chase scene . Loved the sound design. however what really killed the movie for me was the last 15 minutes with that monologue it was unnecessary .
I really love your analysis of this movie
Also the last 15 min should have been the opening then cut to 24/48 hours earlier and went from there it was like a Michael Myers/Jason/TCM mash up
I thought this movie was great!
Surprised to hear you say the effects weren't great, although I agree they were the weakest when Johnny was carrying the head and body of that one guy to the ranger station.
It's true that knowing where the killer is removes that "where is he" element of suspense, but it replaces it with a kind of inevitable dread similar to the POV shots of Jaws moving in on the legs of unsuspecting swimmers. You know he's there but it's like watching a train wreck unfold and you see him formulate his plan in real time. I found that to be extremely effective at building tension.
Totally expected you to talk about the yoga kill when you said "that kill" although I agree the wood cutter scene was way more disturbing overall.
I wish people would stop comparing it to Terrifier because Johnny is nowhere near as manic and over the top as Art. Both movies are gory and have good practical effects, but the tone is completely different.
Personally I liked the long tracking shots of Johnny walking. Again it reminded me of Jaws with this force of nature out their in his element with unsuspecting victims nearby. It was also oddly peaceful between kills which played into the movie's theme of nature being beautiful and powerful but still having the capacity for sudden and extreme violence.
I've got mixed feelings on the ending. On a first watch you are scanning the woods the whole time wondering if and when Johnny will reappear, which I think is very much intentional. Rewatches will rob the ending of that stress and tension though, so I'm not sure if that makes it a satisfying ending overall.
I felt the same way about the ranger death, I figured he'd go limb by limb with that one. Id almost rather him just do the head vs the arm AND then the head. Ending was super weird. I loved the montage scene of her running through the woods in the dark, shot from behind & you can hear the noises in the background, & it just engulfs you. I felt so freaked out at that point, i wish it had maybe just cut to the end there or that it had more tension
The yoga kill was so anticlimactic to me. The girl turns around and just accepts death. The acting is B rated at best ... I give it a 3 out of 10
SPOILER ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️The ending monologue between Kris and the Women who rescued her is meant to compare Jhonny (the killer) to a raging bear. She further solidifies this by mentioning the henhouse syndrome, how predators keep killing prey until they feel fulfilled. It’s meant to foreshadow the next shot, when they zoom back to where Kris left the locket to show it’s been taken , thus fulfilling his killing spree.
i get what the director's tryinna do with that dull ending.
he's building tension based on the audience's expectations that SOMETHING would happen...but, it just went on waaayyyy TOO LONG, that it missed the whole point of it.
Just got done watching. I thought he was going to do a wishbone kill on the woodsplitter. I agree with most of your critiques. I also don’t really know how to feel. The ending just seemed like filler. Like “why do I care about this random lady’s story, or the girl in the truck?” And then…NOTHING. Oh. Well he got his necklace back
Seems like it might be for me, i like calming movies, there have been movies that storywise don't have much going for them but their presentation makes you feel so at ease, i know the violent moment are probably to snap you out of that but thats fine, it just putting another genre i like into another genre i like
Had multiple walkouts during the final scene. After it all ended, couldn’t really blame them.
Multiple people walked out throughout the movie during my viewing and I couldn’t blame them at all lol
I agree with you about the Ranger. I was expecting Joseph (I think that’s the killer’s name) to split the Ranger in half Art the Clown style, but he didn’t, and I was kinda bummed hahaha. I liked it overall though. Solid 6.5/10 for me.
Saw it on opening day.
Loved it..
Unique, beautiful, tense at the right times, gory.
How did you not talk about the yoga girl omg 😭💀 but yeah I agree with everything you said lol I also felt the ranger death could've been pushed a bit more, I think some different cinematography choices could've made it more disturbing but was still creepy as it is
1) I think some of your gripes go away when you consider the specific choices of the film. When you talked about the dumb choices and acting, I think it's important to understand this film isn't from the kid's perspective. Like, there's an entirely different movie happening from their perspective, where they're learning things at different times from when they actually happen.
But since this is from Johnny's perspective, of course the kids basically sound like NPCs. Johnny's not interested in how well they're acting. The ONLY reason anyone dies in this film is because they make noise. Literally, Johnny only ever moves in the direction of sounds he hears. But they don't know that because they have no idea they're being watched by someone.
2) The Ranger death probably would've been longer but I think, in movie, Johnny realized that log splitter was even slower than him and changed his mind.
3) You totally missed the entire point of the ending. The final girl has been rescued but her trauma continues. This is in line with what other final girls who appear in sequels have gone through. Alice, Nancy, Laurie...they've all been completely altered. She's waiting for him to come get her, which logically wouldn't make sense because of how slow he moves. But that doesn't really matter to someone experiencing PTSD.
The ending was the director getting someone from F13:2 to cap his "Jason's Sweater Shack" homage.
Hello! I'm new to your channel but have you watched exhuma? It's a 2024 Korean horror movie, I thought it was pretty cool, maybe you'll like it 😊
watched the movie with a friend who said that the killer is "like that one snail who will slowly come for you until you die" lmao
Pretty sure they only did the ending part with the old lady because she was played by an actress from Friday the 13th part 2. They just wanted that sweet cameo.