I once told an office person if the connector doesn’t fit it doesn’t fit. That person took it seriously but in the wrong way. She plugged an USB into an ethernet port. It does fit surprisingly but it doesn’t do anything 🤦
That's quiet common, USB plugs don't fit in USB ports the first time but do in Ethernet ports. If it's fits on first try, it's the wrong port. Easy to remember.
@@AzrethK9 Sure it is. And the same goes for USB-C. If that fits on the first try then you didn’t plugged it all the way in 🤦 oh I dislike USB-C so much
@@AzrethK9 I have plugged my cellular modem into my ethernet port on my laptop many times, usually I don't look when I plug it in so it is quite easy and common.
This topic really deserves a "tech longer", there is so much history and curiosities behind connectors and peripherals, a longer more in depth video before everything turns into USB would be great!
I'd like to know all the how's and why's of past connection ports, like, why did the printer plug look like that, what is it about PS/2 that makes it desirable for some modern gamers, what was Firewire and why was it so short-lived.
@@mr.stoneface7699 PS/2 works by interrupting the CPU to input. Have you ever had a lock up on your PC and the mouse wouldn't move? This doesn't happen with PS/2, that's why it is more desirable (Even tho the latency is unperceivable at the speeds we have today). It also works before the BIOS bootup, being desirable for server maintenance too.
MUCH longer! I still use eSATA weekly. IEEE1394/ FireWire is a bit older (and easier to get cards for) but still used a by a lot of people (not just for DV, but also for pro Audio). Parallel and Serial ports can be found on (at least some) office PCs (HP, Dell) from the last 10 years. I think that where this video went wrong was with the use of the word "all" in the title...
You forgot to mention a small but important detail about PS/2: it doesn't support hot-plugging like USB, so mice/keyboards only work when you connect them before turning on the device (or rebooting). Having the port still available is nice for people who still want to use "eternal" keyboards like the legendary IBM model M. Those were still built in a way that will probably last several decades and not just a few years like many modern keyboards...
LOL Years? RUclips has been showing me keyboard-a-side: Streemers rage quitting games by breaking there equipment in half. LOL they're probably more likely to break themselves a Model F. And um actually the new-old-stock Model Ms made by Unicomp are USB. The Angery Keyboard Nerd: Thomas, has a vide you might want to check out about the Model M. You may want to check the back/bottom of yours because (allagedly) they use basically plastic screws instead of metal ones. replacing them with metal ones, will ineed ensure they last for decads, and double as door stop in the summer. Now the Model F on the other hand I think could also double as a ship anchor and blunt-force-trauma weapon when the Zombie apocolypse happens.
@@gorkskoal9315 The stupidity of people is not the fault of the product. When you don't abuse your keyboard, even models with rubber domes can last a long time (like my old G11 that's still working fine).
I have a keyboard that came with an IBM from 1985, are you telling me I could still use it in my current computer 40 years later. It's been in a closet since 1996.
You forgot the IEC 60320 (C14) port. I somehow can't get my system to run without having something plugged into it. What does it do? I've always wondered about this.
It is nice that modern motherboards still have PS/2 connector. And if some people don't use them but have a motherboard which does not have many USB ports on the back, it is good to have this feature and fill the empty space with this connector. It is not plug and play but if it is connected it always works. And I never had driver problems... unlike USB drivers on Windows 11 causing the input to lag.
I remember the days when the PS/2 ports weren't color coded or labeled and you had to guess which one was the correct one, kind of like the USB-A insertion uncertainty principle
Worth adding that some gamers explicitly use PS2 for the latency. From what I've heard, it has a faster latency return than USB, though in practice, very few people will probably notice the difference.
The main advantages of PS/2 are: 1) Interrupt based (the device "interrupts" the system when new data is available) unlike USB that is polling based (the system checks periodically if there is new data available) 2) True n-key rollover (can detect all keys being pressed simultaneously), unlike USB keyboards emulating this behavior. But both of these were advantages vs USB counterparts when PS/2 was still relevant and are pretty much negated by modern USB peripherals with super high polling rates and better implementations of software n-key rollover.
@@ebridgewater The exact same way that it's a placebo to run games at a higher framerate than your monitor supports. Unless the game you're playing _has input polling rate tied to the framerate_ (and since this is almost universally in an eSports context, literally none of them do), having your GPU shart out frames faster than your monitor can display them, is ONLY wearing down your system fans faster. Play at an uncapped framerate to _test graphical settings_ (if intense gameplay never drops you below your display framerate, you're good), and then cap the FPS to whatever your monitor runs at (whether manually or by vsync, which I have never actually seen proof that vsync itself "introduces lag to your inputs").
I use displayport on and off and I notice zero difference in capabilities or the connector itself. And yes, DP is a bit sturdier and has those little teeth, but for me it's more of an annoyance.
@@ErykDante My main reason for choosing DP over HDMI is the capability for daisy-chaining in >2 monitor setups (industrial use for SCADA systems). Main annoyance though: Even on systems with 2 DP ports, you can often only drive 3 monitors over them (2 chained, one single). To get a 4th one, you need to use another (hopefully existing) HDMI or DVI port. Really weird.
A PS/2 keyboard can sometimes be the difference between getting into the BIOS and not getting into the BIOS on some systems. I don't think that is usually an issue these days but it used to be the case for a while. And the USB to PS/2 adapters you can get won't always work with USB keyboards. So keeping an old PS/2 keyboard around if you occasionally encounter older hardware can be extremely useful to have.
> And the USB to PS/2 adapters you can get won't always work with USB keyboards. Ditto for the opposite. Whether it's USB-A plug to PS/2 jack, or PS/2 plug to USB-A jack, both can vary on how they're implemented. Some are simple passive adapters, meant for keyboards and mice that are _designed_ to connect through them. The keyboard or mouse electrically detects what it's plugged into, and swaps its signalling to match. Such an adapter won't work with a keyboard or mouse that doesn't correctly "speak" both protocols. Meanwhile, some other adapters are active ones, converting the signal internally instead of relying on the mouse or keyboard to do it. These are likely to work with a wider range of devices, though there might still be some they fail with, depending on how both device and adapter -- and the computer they're plugged into -- implement things.
A note about HDMI/Display port - due to the amount of data each can support, you Can connect a cord with both form factors as Display port From the source (computer) To HDMI on the output device (monitor) but NOT the other way around. Display port can potentially output more data that HDMI can support, so you can only find cables that support the one-way traffic, even if they have both ends.
PS2 connectors had the nice advantage they were directly linked to the CPU, while USB controller was sometimes linked to the chipset and needed drivers. Back in the day, if you wanted to start and jump into the BIOS, PS2 was the only way to use a keyboard, as the USB drivers were not loaded yet (BIOS comes before the OS, in the startup sequence).
1:52 I'll always remember when I surprised my father with a fancy PC upgrade, and as a seasonned PC builder I had basically a spare part of everything because from experience there's always something unpredictable happening. But everything was going fine! Suspiciously fine: nothing breaks, no missing cable, no spacing shenanigans with the mix of old and new components... And here I am, amazed the PC is powering up flawlessly first try, thanking every Powers in the universe for this miracle. An upgrade under 30 minutes, in and out. But then I catch the dead stare of my father, my hopes crushed as he uttered those simple words: "I can't plug in the keyboard". Turns out, my father was still using his trusty ol' CS: Source Keyboard for nearly 2 decades at this point. And of course it only plugs in PS2. That's what I didn't prepare for. And even in the multiple bins of old spare parts kicking around in the house, despite the 6 or 7 keyboards unearthed from the piles, all of them were either PS2 or older standards. I couldn't find the USB/PS2 adapters I knew was hiding somewhere inside those parts from an older era. And we're a sunday, no shop available for him to test his new shiny, RGB glowing hardware. I later remembered that when I did his previous upgrade, I actually had a moment of realization I was lucky his new mobo supported it at the time, and that I should probably add a keyboard to his next uprgade. Now there's always a keyboard in my tech bag, just in case, and I bought us a "I'm this old" tee-shirt featuring PS2 ports.
Riley did mention HDMI and DisplayPort at starting at 4:16, and also mentioned right at the end that there's another video that talks about VGA and DVI. For the rest though, when's the last time you saw any of them on a modern system?
FireWire🤣 believe me. It used to be better back then. Within 5 years we need an opposite explainer about why USB-C sucks. It actually sucks now. That fact that everything uses the same connector bothers me. Not every USB-C cable had the 5Gb/s speed! WHY?! Not every C-to-C cable or USB-C port is capable of displaying a monitor or transferring data. This is SO STUPID! I want to go back to USB 3! The period when it was clearly clear what devices you’ve got and what cables are compatible
@@taj1994 the title didn't say it's a modern system connectors , (or we only see usb c and dp/hdmi ;) . last time I see these ports ? 10 minutes ago on the back of my legacy P4 :D , and it's true that AT is from a time that a lot of viewers don't have even born yet LOL
@@fen0221and not to mention buying cables that support my phones stupid proprietary 67W is a pain. When I buy a new fast charge supported cable it does 67W for a few uses then it rolls back to regular fast charging (20-30W or so). Would be nice to have a fast charger in my backpack for when I need a quick juice up on a train or a bus station
0:26 I don't use Line-in but if I remember correctly, it used for mic too but it doesn't go trought the built-in pre-amp so, you have to use your own pre-amp or the sound will be quiet. Also the line-out do the same thing but it often has switch to turn the built-in amp off or on via driver.
@@estusflask982 Interesting. I had no idea that displayport carried audio until this vid. Just never been relevant to me or in any of the LTT vids I've watched. I really didn't expect to learn anything with this vid. Glad I came here.
Uhh, what? S/PDIF sends either uncompressed (raw/lossless) 2-channel or lossy compressed 6-channel. S/PDIF is practically just a consumer version of AES3, so it similarly goes to 24bit/48KHz.
Your motherboard might be able to change what the audio ports do. On mine, with the included realtek software, you can change Line-in to a second Line-out. I've got a headset in Mic and Line-in, and desktop speakers in the Line-out/Speakers port.
Using a PS/2 port for my keyboard/mouse to save USB ports is something I actually did back in the day. USB ports were a lot more limited, and we didn't have high-end gaming peripherals at the time that would need extra bandwidth to talk to the PC.
1:30 extra small info. This antenna also your Bluetooth antenna at the same time... So keep your antenna even tho you didn't use your wifi if you use Ethernet cable. Your welcome.
You guys have done a video on this before. I specifically remember the explanation of red usb ports.. which you kinda glossed over in this video, skipping it with the usb C port section of the video
I have a cub cadet lt1045 that has a v twin in it. Making 41hp. And I ran it at a top speed of 107mph. That pull switch you said is maybe for the headlights is actually the choke. If it had headlights they normally turn on when you turn the key
As far as I know and been taught is the 2 leds on the network port is physical link (green led) and network link activity (orange/yellow led). Network speeds are not visible on the outside by the leds. Thats why in Windows you check the properties of the netwerk adapter. Correct me if I'm wrong
Very wrong, at least regarding network equipment that is. The color of the link-LED does show at what speed the L2-link is operating at. Orange is typical for fast ethernet, green for gigabit ethernet. This differs per manufacturer however. Not sure about PC's, I just plug it in and don't bother. The backplane of my PC isn't easily reached either 😅
I'm so glad you made this video. I have a friend who knows almost nothing about computers but she is very intelligent and it's so hard to find video that just explain the basics of the components inside a computer and how they work and what they do. I hope to see more video like this about what a CPU and Ram and GPU are and what they do
The question I've had was what is the metal punch out between the fan and the PCI slot used for on older shells like the one in your thumbnail. I've worked on PC's since win95, and have never seen that punch out populated, nor any accessories that could be installed in that punch out.
Single cable connections already work for some laptops via USB-C, but usually you just "outsource" the wire mess from the laptop to a docking station (or a mini dock integrated into your monitor). So USB-C is starting to make things better, but so far mostly for mobile devices and not (yet) for towers.
That would allow ditching the IO shield, which could allow a more flexible system design. I'm thinking putting a 120mm fan on the end near the CPU and have 9 expansion slots instead of 7. And if anyone's wondering "Then where do we put what's currently on the shield?", my answer is "cards". You'd have two more slots for them. Return to having a dedicated sound card and network card, and a bunch of USB ones. Basically, limit the motherboard's connectors to internal ones only. If it's external, it gets its own card like in in the old days, back when people used the text-modes of video cards and the command-line-phobe had yet to be born.
2:10 It should be said that most modern "PS/2" ports are actually emulated through USB functionality, meaning that their main attraction - that each button press sends a keypress CPU interrupt, guaranteeing almost perfect HW latency and driverless operation - is gone.
2:04 @LTT: Please train your staff on using Creative Commons licences. It's dog sh!t easy, yes you screwed it up already so many times. The original file is licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported licence and whatever you did at the provided timestamp does not follow the licence restrictions (I want to highlight section 7 of the licence's legal code for you - it's worth a read)
And next should be a video with connectors you might find on older but still usable PCs. I bought a used PC for my mother, that from the Specs is still a good PC, except maybe the GPU and that Microsoft doesn't like the specs for Windows 11. It has a DMS-59 connector. It looks very similar to DVI but not quiet. I needed to look the GPU up, to see what connector it has and to buy an adapter. I think in general including stuff that is more commonly found on workstations, is a good idea. For example the workstation (Thinkstation) for my mother has 5 security features, not usually found on consumer hardware. First the BIOS has some anti theft feature. Don't know what it exactly is but it has an American phone number for more information (its an info screen, not a "this device is stolen" screen). Then it has a switch to see if the panel is closed. I guess opening and closing can be tracked. Then 2 options for a lock, one being an option for a padlock and one for a regular lock (sold separately) and last is the more commonly found kensington lock.
Just a funny one on those wi-fi attenae, on my MSI it was also used for Bluetooth. I used a network cable so didn't bother with them at first but soon discovered why my headphone connection was so terrible.
Server racks in the company where I work, still using PS2 mouse and keyboard (I replace the ball mouse with ps2 optical mouse, still find new stock in marketplaces) , because Aten KVM is so reliable even after 24 years, and that folding/ laptop style KVM is too expensive even for an enterprise level company.
I still use PS2 for my mouse and if I had a Ps/2 keyboard I would do the same. Gotta free up those USB ports. I kinda miss the parallel ports. I used to be able to print to a dot matrix printer from an old Windows 98 PC and even the Amstrad CPC I used to have.
It's worth noting that some gamers prefer PS2 because it uses interrupts rather than polling which frees up CPU cycles, but with the speed of modern CPUs a cycle is a tiny tiny fraction of a millisecond and it's basically negligible and makes no percieable difference
Can we get a video about the weird port that can accept both hdmi and displayport connectors? A channel called Bringus did a video featuring a ~10yr old computer with one of those ports, but the origin of the port remains a mystery to me.
Remember when laptops had 10 ports, an optical disk drive and a hot swappable battery? Pepperidge Farms remembers. Edit: they also used to feel sturdy like they could be dropped by 10 Linuses and still keep going.
my dell latitude 7390 has: A charging port. A USB-C port (Thunderbolt is optional). An HDMI port. 2 USB-A ports with one being ''superspeed'' and has powershare. A smart card reader. A Kensington lock "port". An Ethernet port. A Micro SD card reader. A Micro SIM slot. A headphone jack. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Actually, you can connect to monitors using USB as long as it is either USB4 with the DisplayPort protocol or Thunderbolt . Depending on the monitor, it might be a USB-C type thunderbolt or USB-C to DisplayPort connector.
I have red, blue and regular usb slots and my red one seems to hate my controller and cable. I think it would also cut out when ever it felt like it even though would still send power to controller but controls won't work properly. Cannot figure it out. Haven't needed to use the 4 blue ones since I got like 3 reg and 3 reds I use normally. Pretty sure red is fastest but maybe I'm wrong or the cable isn't fast enough? He started going over the colors then just stopped after just blue lol only 2 more types excluding usb c
Dunno what the emphasis on "no mics on the line in" . I thought it was more dangerous to plug in an audio source into the mic port since the mic port usually has an amplifier, and the line in does not.
I am so old. I came here expecting the comments to be filled with "why would anyone not know this?" Instead I see that so many ports I take for grated really are legacy now.
No debug, game and parallel ports? IEEE 1394(Firewire) and eSATA port???? AAUI and ADC?? What are those mini DP, mini DVI, mini VGA ports on my old laptops??
I have a computer that have a AT port for keyboard, a 15pin vga for monitor, ,9 pin serial port for modem, and other for the mouse, a 24 pin parallel port for the printer, game/midi port of the joystick, fire-wire port for video camera, and a scsi port for the scanner. I'm old,, I know.
I think you need an HDMI cable (with Ethernet) pluged into the port that is marked as ARC and your soundbar. Audio Reverse Channel can send the audio from your TV to your soundbar. Then, you could use the HDMI-CEC of the TV to use the TV remote to control your soundbar. By the way, some soundbars can learn to read the infrared light of your TV remote to control. Then you could use the TV remote too.
Had an user who somehow crammed a DisplayPort cable into a HDMI port. Using full force as he was wondering why "it didn't fit so easily". After that, he yanked it out because surprisingly there was "no signal". The connecter of the HDMI port came loose and got stuck in the DisplayPort cable. Both were completely wrecked. We laughed our ass off and were impressed at the same time 😂😂😂
While I love videos explaining things, and that's really what this channel's all about, these "simpler" (please read as "this happens to be an area that I'm very familiar with" not "I think I'm better than others because I know how this port works") do make me feel like I'm not the target audience.
Sad they don't mention USB4... I know it's just Thunderbolt 3 in disguise, but well, there are a few variants as well such as support of 80gbps connection. Also, many cheap modern motherboards still have VGA connectors (or D-sub, not sure why some call it that way).
there is indeed a reason for ps2 if you remember: u may still use an old pc "maybe for busines reasons aka never touch a running system so it will allow you to controll your pc if usb drivers are not working. or u dont want use the usb ports to be useable at all so noone can atack via usb devices. i see several other reasons but yes for most people its not neccesary to use them
Latency, that's why you use ps2. Workstations and servers use it because it's on irq1 so it takes priority over everything else if the system has an issue.
now, i have this specific problem with my motherboard, when i connect a usb keyboard and mouse to it, and play a high performance game, they suddenly lag out and stop responding, and then randomly come back again. Why so? does it affect my internet coonnector usb, how to fix this problem if there is, and what to buy specifically for those problems?
Serial ports are still found on some hardware, notably enterprise equipment. SD card readers might count as ports - although those are probably almost never seen on the motherboard unless you are counting laptops, in which case PCMCIA ports also apply. Also parallel ports, SCSI ports, and modem/telephony ports.
Weird. Recently, LMG has been making videos on topics, that I just had thought of myself and voila - now there is an answer video from LMG channel. I just bought very new PC and was amazed - it had USB Type-C port, which is normal for new PC. But it also had a PS/2 port! I could not understand the reasoning behind something like this... But Chat GPT-s answer was slightly better than this video shows. Chat GPT claims, that some keyboards can be faster to react, if they are native PS/2 ones and PC has that port. Wonder if that is the case? Anyhow, I am not gonna replace my modern mechanical keyboard with an ancient PS/2 keyboard... so I guess I will never find out.
It is disappointing that your thumbnail showed a vintage tower but your vid didn't explain serial ports which are still common for retail and warehouse equipment, it's big brother the parallel port, or the always great Gameports. You also left out the 3 types of firewire.
Apparently in Hot Springs "Spa City irepair" there's a guy who actually Linus who helped me find the problem as to why my PC wasn't posting. Turns about the 24 pin ATX pcb for Streacom's power supply was faulty because something went wrong with the mosfet during manufacture. I'm gonna get a new pcb to see if it boots. Once it does, I can finally use my A12 9800 I've been saving for years. Yes, I found that the Bristol and Raven Ridge can't use the back M.2_2 for PCIe. So I'm reverting back to my original plan of OCing my APU past i7 620M capability instead of that 2700x+RX 6400 and undervolting those.
The ethernet port is almost exclusively 1 gig, because 2.5 sucks as it's barely supported, and 10 gig is not offered outside of extremely expensive boards. I have a dual SFP+ card in my PC where I have a 10 gig link to my switch and server.
Barely as in actually software support or the amount of devices it capables of?, because yes on the switch side only few makes them but most if not motherboard from asrock msi and other have them now even on low end one
@@Arctic_silverstreaknetwork hardware yeah. So few proper managed switches use it, and if they do, the price is unreasonably high compared to a 10 gig switch of similar size. And speaking of 10 gig, in business/enterprise side, you also barely see implementations of anything outside 1/10/40/100 gbps link speeds.
One handy way to get monitors cheap is to find one that doesn't have HDMI because people don't realize that the white connector that's called DVI is super easy to use with HDMI You just need an adapter that's really cheap.
@@gamecubeplayer devices made for plugging into a monitor will expect them under not to have any speakers and so they will usually have some other kind of way to get audio out of the device (usually a 3.5 mm audio jack or an SPDIF connector). Devices made for plugging into a TV Don't always have those kind of connectors I know my Chromecast for example does not.
Now do mobo headers
the struggle is real
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LOL yes
Your mobo gives me the best head
(Idk why I felt the need to comment that)
I came here to request the same thing!
I once told an office person if the connector doesn’t fit it doesn’t fit. That person took it seriously but in the wrong way. She plugged an USB into an ethernet port. It does fit surprisingly but it doesn’t do anything 🤦
"How to _notwork your printern't",_ as I saw on /r/TechSupportGore a while back.
How do you even fuck that up
That's quiet common, USB plugs don't fit in USB ports the first time but do in Ethernet ports.
If it's fits on first try, it's the wrong port. Easy to remember.
@@AzrethK9
Sure it is. And the same goes for USB-C. If that fits on the first try then you didn’t plugged it all the way in 🤦 oh I dislike USB-C so much
@@AzrethK9 I have plugged my cellular modem into my ethernet port on my laptop many times, usually I don't look when I plug it in so it is quite easy and common.
This topic really deserves a "tech longer", there is so much history and curiosities behind connectors and peripherals, a longer more in depth video before everything turns into USB would be great!
I'd like to know all the how's and why's of past connection ports, like, why did the printer plug look like that, what is it about PS/2 that makes it desirable for some modern gamers, what was Firewire and why was it so short-lived.
@@mr.stoneface7699 All the how... is and why... is?
All the how's whats? And why's whats?
@@tim3172 I'm curious now
@@mr.stoneface7699 PS/2 works by interrupting the CPU to input. Have you ever had a lock up on your PC and the mouse wouldn't move? This doesn't happen with PS/2, that's why it is more desirable (Even tho the latency is unperceivable at the speeds we have today). It also works before the BIOS bootup, being desirable for server maintenance too.
MUCH longer! I still use eSATA weekly. IEEE1394/ FireWire is a bit older (and easier to get cards for) but still used a by a lot of people (not just for DV, but also for pro Audio). Parallel and Serial ports can be found on (at least some) office PCs (HP, Dell) from the last 10 years.
I think that where this video went wrong was with the use of the word "all" in the title...
You forgot to mention a small but important detail about PS/2: it doesn't support hot-plugging like USB, so mice/keyboards only work when you connect them before turning on the device (or rebooting).
Having the port still available is nice for people who still want to use "eternal" keyboards like the legendary IBM model M. Those were still built in a way that will probably last several decades and not just a few years like many modern keyboards...
This would explain why I could never get my Model M to work without a USB adapter!
LOL Years? RUclips has been showing me keyboard-a-side: Streemers rage quitting games by breaking there equipment in half. LOL they're probably more likely to break themselves a Model F. And um actually the new-old-stock Model Ms made by Unicomp are USB. The Angery Keyboard Nerd: Thomas, has a vide you might want to check out about the Model M. You may want to check the back/bottom of yours because (allagedly) they use basically plastic screws instead of metal ones. replacing them with metal ones, will ineed ensure they last for decads, and double as door stop in the summer. Now the Model F on the other hand I think could also double as a ship anchor and blunt-force-trauma weapon when the Zombie apocolypse happens.
@@gorkskoal9315 The stupidity of people is not the fault of the product. When you don't abuse your keyboard, even models with rubber domes can last a long time (like my old G11 that's still working fine).
I have a keyboard that came with an IBM from 1985, are you telling me I could still use it in my current computer 40 years later. It's been in a closet since 1996.
I've hot-swapped PS/2 mice and keyboards before. Maybe some motherboards allow it?
Thank you, I've always wondered what the wacky colorfully ports on the back of my pc were for.
An extra video is a must for obsolete & forgotten ports.
thwy did that already like 2 years ago
I think Anthony did that
You forgot the IEC 60320 (C14) port. I somehow can't get my system to run without having something plugged into it. What does it do? I've always wondered about this.
I think it's the Bluetooth cable but I'm not an engineer
lol goddamnit
lmao
gives vbucks (real)
That's the port that the Any key plugs into.
It is nice that modern motherboards still have PS/2 connector. And if some people don't use them but have a motherboard which does not have many USB ports on the back, it is good to have this feature and fill the empty space with this connector. It is not plug and play but if it is connected it always works. And I never had driver problems... unlike USB drivers on Windows 11 causing the input to lag.
I remember the days when the PS/2 ports weren't color coded or labeled and you had to guess which one was the correct one, kind of like the USB-A insertion uncertainty principle
Or shine the light just right so you could see the etched label next to them on the UI shield.
Worth adding that some gamers explicitly use PS2 for the latency. From what I've heard, it has a faster latency return than USB, though in practice, very few people will probably notice the difference.
I would go as far as I say no one would notice the difference. Placebo.
The main advantages of PS/2 are:
1) Interrupt based (the device "interrupts" the system when new data is available) unlike USB that is polling based (the system checks periodically if there is new data available)
2) True n-key rollover (can detect all keys being pressed simultaneously), unlike USB keyboards emulating this behavior.
But both of these were advantages vs USB counterparts when PS/2 was still relevant and are pretty much negated by modern USB peripherals with super high polling rates and better implementations of software n-key rollover.
@@ebridgewater The exact same way that it's a placebo to run games at a higher framerate than your monitor supports. Unless the game you're playing _has input polling rate tied to the framerate_ (and since this is almost universally in an eSports context, literally none of them do), having your GPU shart out frames faster than your monitor can display them, is ONLY wearing down your system fans faster. Play at an uncapped framerate to _test graphical settings_ (if intense gameplay never drops you below your display framerate, you're good), and then cap the FPS to whatever your monitor runs at (whether manually or by vsync, which I have never actually seen proof that vsync itself "introduces lag to your inputs").
Also it has fairly common use in extreme overclocking
I also thought Techquicky would mention this but I’m not a gamer so…
Once you go DP, you'll never go back...
...to HDMI.
I use displayport on and off and I notice zero difference in capabilities or the connector itself. And yes, DP is a bit sturdier and has those little teeth, but for me it's more of an annoyance.
If you have a multi monitors setup. The Display Port hotplug feature will drive you crazy to make you switch back to HDMI
Try finding a TV with a DisplayPort port.
@@ErykDante My main reason for choosing DP over HDMI is the capability for daisy-chaining in >2 monitor setups (industrial use for SCADA systems). Main annoyance though: Even on systems with 2 DP ports, you can often only drive 3 monitors over them (2 chained, one single). To get a 4th one, you need to use another (hopefully existing) HDMI or DVI port. Really weird.
@@acoupleofschoes Try finding a TV that doesn't watch you these days :P
A PS/2 keyboard can sometimes be the difference between getting into the BIOS and not getting into the BIOS on some systems. I don't think that is usually an issue these days but it used to be the case for a while. And the USB to PS/2 adapters you can get won't always work with USB keyboards. So keeping an old PS/2 keyboard around if you occasionally encounter older hardware can be extremely useful to have.
> And the USB to PS/2 adapters you can get won't always work with USB keyboards.
Ditto for the opposite. Whether it's USB-A plug to PS/2 jack, or PS/2 plug to USB-A jack, both can vary on how they're implemented.
Some are simple passive adapters, meant for keyboards and mice that are _designed_ to connect through them. The keyboard or mouse electrically detects what it's plugged into, and swaps its signalling to match. Such an adapter won't work with a keyboard or mouse that doesn't correctly "speak" both protocols.
Meanwhile, some other adapters are active ones, converting the signal internally instead of relying on the mouse or keyboard to do it. These are likely to work with a wider range of devices, though there might still be some they fail with, depending on how both device and adapter -- and the computer they're plugged into -- implement things.
A note about HDMI/Display port - due to the amount of data each can support, you Can connect a cord with both form factors as Display port From the source (computer) To HDMI on the output device (monitor) but NOT the other way around. Display port can potentially output more data that HDMI can support, so you can only find cables that support the one-way traffic, even if they have both ends.
PS2 connectors had the nice advantage they were directly linked to the CPU, while USB controller was sometimes linked to the chipset and needed drivers. Back in the day, if you wanted to start and jump into the BIOS, PS2 was the only way to use a keyboard, as the USB drivers were not loaded yet (BIOS comes before the OS, in the startup sequence).
would be nice to see a part two with some more obscure ports on slightly older hardware that some still use, like eSATA or smth ^^
@1:00 wait, how is there light coming out of BOTH ends??
Micro black hole in the middle. What you're seeing is Hawking radiation!
It's almost as if it is creating it's own power. Do the laws of thermodynamics not apply to this cable!
Its not the same cable
True... Although... Who knows??? Lol. We dont see the other end of the coiled cable do we?
@@robertm1112 wydm it is the same cable , clearly the red end has ether which energizes the gray end
When you're the go to guy for friends and family, this is a great video covering the basics.
1:00 Sometimes 'TOSLink' is called 'optical', but the plug is the same. It is called TOSLink because it was invented by TOShiba
Yup. Technology Connection Made a detailed video about this....
I've always called the audio port with the red lazer
1:52 I'll always remember when I surprised my father with a fancy PC upgrade, and as a seasonned PC builder I had basically a spare part of everything because from experience there's always something unpredictable happening.
But everything was going fine! Suspiciously fine: nothing breaks, no missing cable, no spacing shenanigans with the mix of old and new components...
And here I am, amazed the PC is powering up flawlessly first try, thanking every Powers in the universe for this miracle. An upgrade under 30 minutes, in and out.
But then I catch the dead stare of my father, my hopes crushed as he uttered those simple words: "I can't plug in the keyboard".
Turns out, my father was still using his trusty ol' CS: Source Keyboard for nearly 2 decades at this point. And of course it only plugs in PS2.
That's what I didn't prepare for. And even in the multiple bins of old spare parts kicking around in the house, despite the 6 or 7 keyboards unearthed from the piles, all of them were either PS2 or older standards. I couldn't find the USB/PS2 adapters I knew was hiding somewhere inside those parts from an older era. And we're a sunday, no shop available for him to test his new shiny, RGB glowing hardware.
I later remembered that when I did his previous upgrade, I actually had a moment of realization I was lucky his new mobo supported it at the time, and that I should probably add a keyboard to his next uprgade.
Now there's always a keyboard in my tech bag, just in case, and I bought us a "I'm this old" tee-shirt featuring PS2 ports.
no talking about rs 232, midi:joystick , scsi, paralel ,AT, firewire ,e-sata , svideo ,vga ,DVI's ,hdmi ,Dp ports ? maybe on part 2 ?
Riley did mention HDMI and DisplayPort at starting at 4:16, and also mentioned right at the end that there's another video that talks about VGA and DVI. For the rest though, when's the last time you saw any of them on a modern system?
FireWire🤣 believe me. It used to be better back then. Within 5 years we need an opposite explainer about why USB-C sucks. It actually sucks now.
That fact that everything uses the same connector bothers me. Not every USB-C cable had the 5Gb/s speed! WHY?! Not every C-to-C cable or USB-C port is capable of displaying a monitor or transferring data. This is SO STUPID! I want to go back to USB 3! The period when it was clearly clear what devices you’ve got and what cables are compatible
@@taj1994 the title didn't say it's a modern system connectors , (or we only see usb c and dp/hdmi ;) . last time I see these ports ? 10 minutes ago on the back of my legacy P4 :D , and it's true that AT is from a time that a lot of viewers don't have even born yet LOL
@@fen0221and not to mention buying cables that support my phones stupid proprietary 67W is a pain. When I buy a new fast charge supported cable it does 67W for a few uses then it rolls back to regular fast charging (20-30W or so). Would be nice to have a fast charger in my backpack for when I need a quick juice up on a train or a bus station
@@fen0221 I agree , but It's true that can be plug on both ways, but it's fragile ... Firewire is a tough connector , never seen one damaged ;)
0:26 I don't use Line-in but if I remember correctly, it used for mic too but it doesn't go trought the built-in pre-amp so, you have to use your own pre-amp or the sound will be quiet. Also the line-out do the same thing but it often has switch to turn the built-in amp off or on via driver.
line in is stereo too, mic is just mono
toslink (s/pdif) only supports lossy surround sound while hdmi & displayport support lossless surround sound
Only HDMI actually. DisplayPort is stereo only.
@@estusflask982 Interesting. I had no idea that displayport carried audio until this vid. Just never been relevant to me or in any of the LTT vids I've watched.
I really didn't expect to learn anything with this vid. Glad I came here.
@@estusflask982 Nope, DisplayPort 1.4 is up to 32 channels
@@estusflask982 Huh? DisplayPort supports a wide range of audio formats including multi-channel audio like 7.1 surround
Uhh, what? S/PDIF sends either uncompressed (raw/lossless) 2-channel or lossy compressed 6-channel.
S/PDIF is practically just a consumer version of AES3, so it similarly goes to 24bit/48KHz.
Your motherboard might be able to change what the audio ports do. On mine, with the included realtek software, you can change Line-in to a second Line-out. I've got a headset in Mic and Line-in, and desktop speakers in the Line-out/Speakers port.
Yah, my old XP PC from 2007 did that; you could set what each of the rear audio jacks did in a Realtek control panel.
Using a PS/2 port for my keyboard/mouse to save USB ports is something I actually did back in the day. USB ports were a lot more limited, and we didn't have high-end gaming peripherals at the time that would need extra bandwidth to talk to the PC.
I think the video is missing out on the 'bios switch' or 'bios usb port' I see it sometimes, but don't know if I 'need' it.
1:30 extra small info. This antenna also your Bluetooth antenna at the same time... So keep your antenna even tho you didn't use your wifi if you use Ethernet cable. Your welcome.
You guys have done a video on this before. I specifically remember the explanation of red usb ports.. which you kinda glossed over in this video, skipping it with the usb C port section of the video
I didn't know DP could carry audio as well, thats great :P
You could at least have mentioned RS232 and parallel port... And yes they still come with many non-blinky-rgb-mainboards.
We love blinky RGB motherboards, it's pride month after all
I think they just didn't want to duplicate the legacy-ports video (linked when they mentioned it), in the interest of brevity.
I have a cub cadet lt1045 that has a v twin in it. Making 41hp. And I ran it at a top speed of 107mph. That pull switch you said is maybe for the headlights is actually the choke. If it had headlights they normally turn on when you turn the key
Thanks for answering that question that's been burning a hole in my soul since I was seven
This is a great refresher, i always forget the names of the older ports.
As far as I know and been taught is the 2 leds on the network port is physical link (green led) and network link activity (orange/yellow led).
Network speeds are not visible on the outside by the leds.
Thats why in Windows you check the properties of the netwerk adapter.
Correct me if I'm wrong
I think you are correct.
Very wrong, at least regarding network equipment that is. The color of the link-LED does show at what speed the L2-link is operating at. Orange is typical for fast ethernet, green for gigabit ethernet. This differs per manufacturer however. Not sure about PC's, I just plug it in and don't bother. The backplane of my PC isn't easily reached either 😅
I'm so glad you made this video. I have a friend who knows almost nothing about computers but she is very intelligent and it's so hard to find video that just explain the basics of the components inside a computer and how they work and what they do. I hope to see more video like this about what a CPU and Ram and GPU are and what they do
May dude, you just need to look at older videos form this channel, they explained almost if not everything about the basic components of a computer.
1:37 you can also use them in the opposite way and turn your PC into an access point if you want to do that for some reason. (custom router + ap?)
Possible but id just get a actual router for that. I use my old amd fx 6350 for my opnsense tho that is hooked up to my fibre optic mediaconverter
i’ve never been this early to a tech quickie
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0:28 Pink one is powered (basically "amplified"), blue is not (requires an external amplifier)
...Ah, see, that makes a ton of sense. Thank you, comments section!
Pink = Hot, gets power from the port(Mic level)
Blue = Cold, has its own power source(Line level)
Oversimplification, but right more often than not.
@@MA16v3 We're you correcting me in some way?
@occamsrazor1285 Nah, just offering another way to remember what inputs go to which port.
Nice video. Now let's talk about Mini and Micro X and Y. Seems like so many loves getting confused between Thunderbolt 2 and Mini DisplayPort (mDP).
The question I've had was what is the metal punch out between the fan and the PCI slot used for on older shells like the one in your thumbnail. I've worked on PC's since win95, and have never seen that punch out populated, nor any accessories that could be installed in that punch out.
Single connect box for PC motherboard IO when? Probably with thunderbolt?
You want to get rid of the headphones port on PCs as well?
Single cable connections already work for some laptops via USB-C, but usually you just "outsource" the wire mess from the laptop to a docking station (or a mini dock integrated into your monitor). So USB-C is starting to make things better, but so far mostly for mobile devices and not (yet) for towers.
That would allow ditching the IO shield, which could allow a more flexible system design. I'm thinking putting a 120mm fan on the end near the CPU and have 9 expansion slots instead of 7. And if anyone's wondering "Then where do we put what's currently on the shield?", my answer is "cards". You'd have two more slots for them. Return to having a dedicated sound card and network card, and a bunch of USB ones. Basically, limit the motherboard's connectors to internal ones only. If it's external, it gets its own card like in in the old days, back when people used the text-modes of video cards and the command-line-phobe had yet to be born.
2:10 It should be said that most modern "PS/2" ports are actually emulated through USB functionality, meaning that their main attraction - that each button press sends a keypress CPU interrupt, guaranteeing almost perfect HW latency and driverless operation - is gone.
My son said 'You look like that guy' and I am so flattered.
1:42 Is that a TP-Link TL-WN722N Revision 2 100 Mb/s Wi-Fi adapter??????
The ThinkPad W520 dinosaur I'm using also has an *IEEE 1394* connector and a *USB/eSATA* combo connector.
2:04 @LTT: Please train your staff on using Creative Commons licences. It's dog sh!t easy, yes you screwed it up already so many times.
The original file is licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported licence and whatever you did at the provided timestamp does not follow the licence restrictions (I want to highlight section 7 of the licence's legal code for you - it's worth a read)
Forgot about serial, parallel, din ports, rca and others
The spdif doesn't support PCM 5.1 .... only PCM 2.1... which is annoying...
So still need the black/orange connection points
And next should be a video with connectors you might find on older but still usable PCs. I bought a used PC for my mother, that from the Specs is still a good PC, except maybe the GPU and that Microsoft doesn't like the specs for Windows 11. It has a DMS-59 connector. It looks very similar to DVI but not quiet. I needed to look the GPU up, to see what connector it has and to buy an adapter.
I think in general including stuff that is more commonly found on workstations, is a good idea. For example the workstation (Thinkstation) for my mother has 5 security features, not usually found on consumer hardware. First the BIOS has some anti theft feature. Don't know what it exactly is but it has an American phone number for more information (its an info screen, not a "this device is stolen" screen). Then it has a switch to see if the panel is closed. I guess opening and closing can be tracked. Then 2 options for a lock, one being an option for a padlock and one for a regular lock (sold separately) and last is the more commonly found kensington lock.
Thank you, for sharing this
Thanks Riley!
1:08 it is not an ethernet port. It is an rj-45 port or even more correctly an 8p8c port
Just a funny one on those wi-fi attenae, on my MSI it was also used for Bluetooth. I used a network cable so didn't bother with them at first but soon discovered why my headphone connection was so terrible.
Well, bluetooth does operate in the 2.4Ghz-band and not just a single 20Mhz-band but the whole as it jumps around the frequency all the time.
I mean yeah of course, they share the same antenna because most wifi module also include Bluetooth
Server racks in the company where I work, still using PS2 mouse and keyboard (I replace the ball mouse with ps2 optical mouse, still find new stock in marketplaces) , because Aten KVM is so reliable even after 24 years, and that folding/ laptop style KVM is too expensive even for an enterprise level company.
When mentioning a tech term, such as ps2, having it visible as text on the screen at the same tim as the port would be useful
I still use PS2 for my mouse and if I had a Ps/2 keyboard I would do the same. Gotta free up those USB ports. I kinda miss the parallel ports. I used to be able to print to a dot matrix printer from an old Windows 98 PC and even the Amstrad CPC I used to have.
I was wonderin what would it like if we build a PC with all port and connector are plugged in. I'm talking about mobo conector and pc connector
It's worth noting that some gamers prefer PS2 because it uses interrupts rather than polling which frees up CPU cycles, but with the speed of modern CPUs a cycle is a tiny tiny fraction of a millisecond and it's basically negligible and makes no percieable difference
its for better latency in games.
How about a video on computer connectors you _won't_ find on the average gaming PC. Like SPF, VHDCI, Oculink, SAS
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Can we get a video about the weird port that can accept both hdmi and displayport connectors?
A channel called Bringus did a video featuring a ~10yr old computer with one of those ports, but the origin of the port remains a mystery to me.
The PS2 port is recognized before USB when booting up the PC good for getting to the BIOS quickly.
I love the idea of thinking rileys mind is blown by figuring out what an ethernet port was for 😆
Lol. The hair in the mic jack. So accurate.
Didn't you guys also have a video about parallel and serial ports a long time ago?
modern laptops having none of these
MacBooks 😂
Remember when laptops had 10 ports, an optical disk drive and a hot swappable battery? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Edit: they also used to feel sturdy like they could be dropped by 10 Linuses and still keep going.
my dell latitude 7390 has:
A charging port.
A USB-C port (Thunderbolt is optional).
An HDMI port.
2 USB-A ports with one being ''superspeed'' and has powershare.
A smart card reader.
A Kensington lock "port".
An Ethernet port.
A Micro SD card reader.
A Micro SIM slot.
A headphone jack.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
@@rockpie.iso.tar.bz2u can put it on the email
@@rockpie.iso.tar.bz2 Pretty much the last Dell laptop that still got a touchpad with buttons (non clickpad). I have one with a touch screen too
no VGA?
ahhh was mentioned at the end!
we have so many peripherals that we'll need soon a bigger back panel, especially for usb.
Actually, you can connect to monitors using USB as long as it is either USB4 with the DisplayPort protocol or Thunderbolt . Depending on the monitor, it might be a USB-C type thunderbolt or USB-C to DisplayPort connector.
They used to make USB 2 video adapters. Though they were limited to low resolution and couldn't render much 3D
@@leonidas14775silicon motion still makes them in higher bandwidth too
I have red, blue and regular usb slots and my red one seems to hate my controller and cable. I think it would also cut out when ever it felt like it even though would still send power to controller but controls won't work properly. Cannot figure it out.
Haven't needed to use the 4 blue ones since I got like 3 reg and 3 reds I use normally. Pretty sure red is fastest but maybe I'm wrong or the cable isn't fast enough? He started going over the colors then just stopped after just blue lol only 2 more types excluding usb c
Dunno what the emphasis on "no mics on the line in" . I thought it was more dangerous to plug in an audio source into the mic port since the mic port usually has an amplifier, and the line in does not.
I am so old. I came here expecting the comments to be filled with "why would anyone not know this?" Instead I see that so many ports I take for grated really are legacy now.
Oh whoops, I always hooked up stuff to the pink jack when doing line in recordings of things like record players and tape decks
No debug, game and parallel ports? IEEE 1394(Firewire) and eSATA port????
AAUI and ADC?? What are those mini DP, mini DVI, mini VGA ports on my old laptops??
Mini-DP is still used.
It allows graphics cards to have a lot of connectors.
Should talk about eSATA. Still finding it more useful than USB for hdd or sdd stuff
I have a computer that have a AT port for keyboard, a 15pin vga for monitor, ,9 pin serial port for modem, and other for the mouse, a 24 pin parallel port for the printer, game/midi port of the joystick, fire-wire port for video camera, and a scsi port for the scanner. I'm old,, I know.
Good work 😅🎉
Does spdif allow control of volume by the device instead of having to use a remote tho? My soundbar didn't do it with TV
AFAIK it's just a line out with no volume information
No. S/PDIF is one-way.
I think you need an HDMI cable (with Ethernet) pluged into the port that is marked as ARC and your soundbar. Audio Reverse Channel can send the audio from your TV to your soundbar. Then, you could use the HDMI-CEC of the TV to use the TV remote to control your soundbar. By the way, some soundbars can learn to read the infrared light of your TV remote to control. Then you could use the TV remote too.
Had an user who somehow crammed a DisplayPort cable into a HDMI port. Using full force as he was wondering why "it didn't fit so easily".
After that, he yanked it out because surprisingly there was "no signal". The connecter of the HDMI port came loose and got stuck in the DisplayPort cable. Both were completely wrecked.
We laughed our ass off and were impressed at the same time 😂😂😂
What glasses frame are those? They look great.
Hey, is there any reason to use a plugged in internet cable, AND use Wi-Fi at the same time? Or is that not possible!?
Wi-Fi passthru over Ethernet. It's possible and the default on Windows, macOS, and Linux.
I mean you could nothing stopping you, but why exactly?, it's not like it's going to double the speed
You didn’t mention that long pink pork on the back of some peoples PC mine has it, but I don’t know it does
While I love videos explaining things, and that's really what this channel's all about, these "simpler" (please read as "this happens to be an area that I'm very familiar with" not "I think I'm better than others because I know how this port works") do make me feel like I'm not the target audience.
Sad they don't mention USB4... I know it's just Thunderbolt 3 in disguise, but well, there are a few variants as well such as support of 80gbps connection. Also, many cheap modern motherboards still have VGA connectors (or D-sub, not sure why some call it that way).
there is indeed a reason for ps2 if you remember: u may still use an old pc "maybe for busines reasons aka never touch a running system so it will allow you to controll your pc if usb drivers are not working. or u dont want use the usb ports to be useable at all so noone can atack via usb devices. i see several other reasons but yes for most people its not neccesary to use them
Latency, that's why you use ps2. Workstations and servers use it because it's on irq1 so it takes priority over everything else if the system has an issue.
My guy missed VGA port, still present in nowadays cheaper mobos
Oh man I remember everyone of these ports.
I liked the PS2 ports. They had their own interrupts. They might still be nice if they continued to update them like they have USB.
now, i have this specific problem with my motherboard, when i connect a usb keyboard and mouse to it, and play a high performance game, they suddenly lag out and stop responding, and then randomly come back again. Why so? does it affect my internet coonnector usb, how to fix this problem if there is, and what to buy specifically for those problems?
04:50 Who doesn't remember VGA and DVI getting replaced by USB xD
Serial ports are still found on some hardware, notably enterprise equipment. SD card readers might count as ports - although those are probably almost never seen on the motherboard unless you are counting laptops, in which case PCMCIA ports also apply. Also parallel ports, SCSI ports, and modem/telephony ports.
Weird. Recently, LMG has been making videos on topics, that I just had thought of myself and voila - now there is an answer video from LMG channel. I just bought very new PC and was amazed - it had USB Type-C port, which is normal for new PC. But it also had a PS/2 port! I could not understand the reasoning behind something like this... But Chat GPT-s answer was slightly better than this video shows. Chat GPT claims, that some keyboards can be faster to react, if they are native PS/2 ones and PC has that port. Wonder if that is the case? Anyhow, I am not gonna replace my modern mechanical keyboard with an ancient PS/2 keyboard... so I guess I will never find out.
good info but yes breakdown mobo plug ins
I keep forgetting what jumper to set on my hard drives. Can we get a video for that?
It depends on the hard drive…
Especially if it's ATA or SCSI.
It is disappointing that your thumbnail showed a vintage tower but your vid didn't explain serial ports which are still common for retail and warehouse equipment, it's big brother the parallel port, or the always great Gameports. You also left out the 3 types of firewire.
Apparently in Hot Springs "Spa City irepair" there's a guy who actually Linus who helped me find the problem as to why my PC wasn't posting. Turns about the 24 pin ATX pcb for Streacom's power supply was faulty because something went wrong with the mosfet during manufacture. I'm gonna get a new pcb to see if it boots. Once it does, I can finally use my A12 9800 I've been saving for years. Yes, I found that the Bristol and Raven Ridge can't use the back M.2_2 for PCIe. So I'm reverting back to my original plan of OCing my APU past i7 620M capability instead of that 2700x+RX 6400 and undervolting those.
The ethernet port is almost exclusively 1 gig, because 2.5 sucks as it's barely supported, and 10 gig is not offered outside of extremely expensive boards.
I have a dual SFP+ card in my PC where I have a 10 gig link to my switch and server.
Barely as in actually software support or the amount of devices it capables of?, because yes on the switch side only few makes them but most if not motherboard from asrock msi and other have them now even on low end one
@@Arctic_silverstreaknetwork hardware yeah. So few proper managed switches use it, and if they do, the price is unreasonably high compared to a 10 gig switch of similar size.
And speaking of 10 gig, in business/enterprise side, you also barely see implementations of anything outside 1/10/40/100 gbps link speeds.
VGA will always be the superior connector in my heart
Do the MOBO next! And lastly Power supply. Also next series is Cable management tips and tricks.
One handy way to get monitors cheap is to find one that doesn't have HDMI because people don't realize that the white connector that's called DVI is super easy to use with HDMI You just need an adapter that's really cheap.
dvi doesn't support audio so if you have an hdmi device that doesn't have an audio output then you need a more expensive hdmi audio extractor
@@gamecubeplayer Yes but those are devices made for plugging into a TV not a monitor.
@@bland9876yes but my monitor has hdmi
@@gamecubeplayer devices made for plugging into a monitor will expect them under not to have any speakers and so they will usually have some other kind of way to get audio out of the device (usually a 3.5 mm audio jack or an SPDIF connector). Devices made for plugging into a TV Don't always have those kind of connectors I know my Chromecast for example does not.
@@bland9876the wii u has an analog audio output but for some reason it's disabled when the hdmi output is enabled