The picking technique of guys like Josh Travis and Dino Cazares is very precise, so they could use lower tension. The legacy from the time when you couldn't buy so various chose of string sets
@@kaedeschulz5422 not everybody are string junkies. Plus older bass strings were something else- I used dadario bass .080 back in 2009 and it was something else from todays .080 from 8string set- didn't like it at all. The guys like JT can tune down even standard 7string sets to the lowest tunings and sound "nice" like in here ruclips.net/video/GNzkvFaEgkk/видео.html . So your arguments about who used bass strings are just your ill fantasy and BLA BLA BLA. I know only Korn did this and their guitar tone sucks and always sucked. Their sound overall was good only because of the innovative BASS sound and Head's songwriting.
i got a 4-string bass that i converted to a 5-string for low tuning "guitar" stuff like this. It's got an Ibanez 7-string pickup in the middle/neck, and a piezo bridge wired together in series for a snarky tone, and i run it in drop D1, 105-30 set (stringjoy) for essentially a range between standard bass 4 and baritone. the 34 inch scale gives it the clarity for all that distortion. It basically sounds just like Black Tongue's Eclipse tone. I run it through a splitter pedal i made and it goes to 3 amps, a bass head fed through a flextortion with gain CRANKED and a mid-cut running pure treble, and then a fender guitar amp with 2 speakers, mids and treble up, gain on 6, and finally the third amp is a sony subwoofer running clean. Together is basically sounds like a whole band in unison. I got like 11 basses and 4 baritone guitars, (all home-built, none of them over 6 strings) but just that one amp chain and i just turn any combo of those 3 on with a master switch setup. get's like 15 tones just by on/off and the distortions on and off. works great for me. I get love of low tones and gain but i prefer 5-6 strings. There's just never a need for more strings, just longer fatter strings. i think for a lot of bands, the extra strings is just a dick-flex, honestly. a baritone or bass would suffice better but it doesn't have the status of "i have 39.7 strings bruh." some people utilize them all, but i;d say a small percentile.
Sounds like a sick setup apart from the Sony sub... I would DIY a good sub. Can be done for 100bucks and go REALLY deep! Dayton audio has some good and inexpensive ones. If you want to spend more i can recommend the Eminence LAB12 in about 100Liters Bassreflex tuned to 20hz or lower. 100L sounds big yet is quite compact when shaped smart. Just built one for a friend who only has a 3x4meter room and it doesn't look out of place
I would like to hear it, any chance of making video? Also in Thall style 8 string can be utilized without any problem, and they still using pitch shifters to go lower or higher if needed.
I just recently bought a shecter Damien platinum 9 and didn't quite realize how uncommon 9s are till I realized mine has 50 written on it as if it's the 50th made Damien 9...
I own a Josh Travis Legator signature actually but i tune it C#F#AEADGCF (4th minor3rd 5th and 4th's all the way up). It's a pretty damn good guitar, im a sucker of neck-through designs but the EMG 909X are not quite clear enough to me so changed them with some Lundgren m9. Legator is actually making a new 9 string model soon (N9) and im pretty hyped !
I'm playing a fanned fret 7 string in what I call Mirrored tuning; FCGDgcf; half fifths, half fourths. 3 strings worth of 1-finger power chords, and all you have to do is lay a finger across a whole fret and you can strum and add fifths/octaves to any drop-chord you're playing.
Nein String... 7 must be enough! Until next year, when I'll get a 8-String! I love the experimentation prog musicians do, it's fun and can create absolute banger.
7:47 Ah, if only Rob Scallon wasn't so busy making DIY projects and giving his instruments to strangers in Illinois Shade aside, I wanted to try Josh Travis' tuning for a while, even made an attempt to copy his amp setup using plugins. Not touching Legator with a mile long pole though, long story involving their asshole of an owner
@tfwnoyandere adding to what you're saying, guitars in modern recordings are often high passed at 100 Hz minimum, so even in standard tuning the fundamental isn't audible on the lowest notes. Aaaaand if you're listening to recordings on a phone speaker you're generally not getting anything from any instrument below about 150 Hz.
@@rileysoundsnice8256 They did tune down to A#0 on Spasm and some triple drop E or something on Mind's Mirrors, though the tone was a bit on the farty side. There also was some photo of both Meshuggah's guitarists holding their guitars and one of them was holding a nine string, so there is hope!
my khaler doesnt hold my 8th string when i gauge up so it pops off the roller and that piece falls down so it wont hold the string up. kinda wish i had a flyod rose with its pain in the ass lol
I'm not Kevin but I personally would recommend a Schecter Damien Platinum 9 with a 30" scale, the C9 only has a 28" scale and Josh Travis's model has a 29" scale
Go to stringtensioncalculator.com/ You can calculate your most suitable gauge depending on your scale length and the string tension you want :) You can also adjust the scale length for each string, which is delightful if you have a multi-scale instrument. I typed in your parameters, and went for a light tension : 9 - 13 - 16 - 22w - 29 - 41 - 61 - 82
Ernieball 9-80 set is perfect but if you want to make a set on stringjoy.com try somewhere around these gauges, 8 11 14 22w(wound) 32 42 56-62 then 74 or 80.
For me a 8- and more string guitars is just another fashion, pushed by producers-influencers-endorsers combo to perpetuate sales. The end result is a ton of extended range instruments in hands of clueless, wanna-be guitarists, who cover their lack of basic musicianship by ridiculous tunings, 00000... "riffs", spam of dissonant intervals and unlistenable chugging. And with them - a ton of unlistenable noise disguised as a "new music genres". And yes extended range guitars have their place. Check Beyond Creation for example. They use 8-string guitars and pretty much maxed out their intended use: EXTENDED range guitars.
Yea, i pretty much agree with this. Seeing an extended range guitar used properly is pretty rare I think. Haken is another good example of using extended guitar properly
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Josh Travis is a major inspiration
Your face always has that "this sounds like garbage" expression. xD
The picking technique of guys like Josh Travis and Dino Cazares is very precise, so they could use lower tension. The legacy from the time when you couldn't buy so various chose of string sets
Damn, maybe that's why I always used to repurpose a bass string for my lowest string on my ERGs :'(
A long time back ppl just used Bass strings if they couldn't get ones that are thick enaugh.
@@kaedeschulz5422 not everybody are string junkies. Plus older bass strings were something else- I used dadario bass .080 back in 2009 and it was something else from todays .080 from 8string set- didn't like it at all. The guys like JT can tune down even standard 7string sets to the lowest tunings and sound "nice" like in here ruclips.net/video/GNzkvFaEgkk/видео.html . So your arguments about who used bass strings are just your ill fantasy and BLA BLA BLA. I know only Korn did this and their guitar tone sucks and always sucked. Their sound overall was good only because of the innovative BASS sound and Head's songwriting.
@@MadDjentah I meant in the 70s not just 10years ago.
Throw Jason Richardson in that group. He uses a .058 for his low F#. Those are 3 dudes that can pull it off with no problem.
i got a 4-string bass that i converted to a 5-string for low tuning "guitar" stuff like this. It's got an Ibanez 7-string pickup in the middle/neck, and a piezo bridge wired together in series for a snarky tone, and i run it in drop D1, 105-30 set (stringjoy) for essentially a range between standard bass 4 and baritone. the 34 inch scale gives it the clarity for all that distortion. It basically sounds just like Black Tongue's Eclipse tone. I run it through a splitter pedal i made and it goes to 3 amps, a bass head fed through a flextortion with gain CRANKED and a mid-cut running pure treble, and then a fender guitar amp with 2 speakers, mids and treble up, gain on 6, and finally the third amp is a sony subwoofer running clean. Together is basically sounds like a whole band in unison. I got like 11 basses and 4 baritone guitars, (all home-built, none of them over 6 strings) but just that one amp chain and i just turn any combo of those 3 on with a master switch setup. get's like 15 tones just by on/off and the distortions on and off. works great for me. I get love of low tones and gain but i prefer 5-6 strings. There's just never a need for more strings, just longer fatter strings. i think for a lot of bands, the extra strings is just a dick-flex, honestly. a baritone or bass would suffice better but it doesn't have the status of "i have 39.7 strings bruh." some people utilize them all, but i;d say a small percentile.
Sounds like a sick setup apart from the Sony sub... I would DIY a good sub. Can be done for 100bucks and go REALLY deep! Dayton audio has some good and inexpensive ones. If you want to spend more i can recommend the Eminence LAB12 in about 100Liters Bassreflex tuned to 20hz or lower. 100L sounds big yet is quite compact when shaped smart. Just built one for a friend who only has a 3x4meter room and it doesn't look out of place
I would like to hear it, any chance of making video?
Also in Thall style 8 string can be utilized without any problem, and they still using pitch shifters to go lower or higher if needed.
Perfect timing just was thinking about his tuning randomly !!
I just recently bought a shecter Damien platinum 9 and didn't quite realize how uncommon 9s are till I realized mine has 50 written on it as if it's the 50th made Damien 9...
Damn thats actually crazy
Do you have any pics or vids of that guitar? That thing needs to be documented
I own a Josh Travis Legator signature actually but i tune it C#F#AEADGCF (4th minor3rd 5th and 4th's all the way up). It's a pretty damn good guitar, im a sucker of neck-through designs but the EMG 909X are not quite clear enough to me so changed them with some Lundgren m9. Legator is actually making a new 9 string model soon (N9) and im pretty hyped !
yeahh this tuning is called DROP BALLS
Lol
Check Wes Borland's 4 string guitar. F# F# B E tuning. This config can make very interesting things.
Most definitely one of the OG baritone tunings for sure. All the way back to 3 Dollar Bill Yall.
What song uses that tuning???
@@CodyCockyote7046 Full Nelson, Nookie, Don't remember, I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more.
I used to use .100 as a low B and that was insanely bendy and unstable even with a light touch.
Yeah, you may want a .116" for that B0.
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a very underrated channel. you deserve 10 times more follower at least
You look like you're in pain for a lot of the playing
I'm playing a fanned fret 7 string in what I call Mirrored tuning; FCGDgcf; half fifths, half fourths. 3 strings worth of 1-finger power chords, and all you have to do is lay a finger across a whole fret and you can strum and add fifths/octaves to any drop-chord you're playing.
Nein String... 7 must be enough! Until next year, when I'll get a 8-String!
I love the experimentation prog musicians do, it's fun and can create absolute banger.
I love the new lighting!
7:47 Ah, if only Rob Scallon wasn't so busy making DIY projects and giving his instruments to strangers in Illinois
Shade aside, I wanted to try Josh Travis' tuning for a while, even made an attempt to copy his amp setup using plugins. Not touching Legator with a mile long pole though, long story involving their asshole of an owner
What happened?
Same what happened
@@Mr.SoulMusical build quality issues
@@tfwnoyandere ahh their old curse.
Laughed at cryomancer attempt xdd
I play on 8 string guitar for 5. Years now thinking about 9 string guitar
Yes Major 3rds tuning here.
That's insane. A0 is one of the lowest notes capable of being heard by the human ear, folks.
provided your speakers can accurately reproduce the fundamental, otherwise youre just hearing harmonics like the rest of us
@@tfwnoyandere , and? That was a useless statement.
just pointing out that 99% of listeners are not hearing that note ever let alone from a youtube video
@@tfwnoyandere , uh-huh.
@tfwnoyandere adding to what you're saying, guitars in modern recordings are often high passed at 100 Hz minimum, so even in standard tuning the fundamental isn't audible on the lowest notes. Aaaaand if you're listening to recordings on a phone speaker you're generally not getting anything from any instrument below about 150 Hz.
i hear DI behind this tone what's happening lol
I dug a grave!!
Ha ! My son was born October 22 2013👍guess it was meant for me to see this .
Wonder if meshuggah will ever release music with 9 string guitars
Im honestly a little shocked messhuga didnt use 9 strings yet, considering how quickly they switched to 8 strings.
@@rileysoundsnice8256 They did tune down to A#0 on Spasm and some triple drop E or something on Mind's Mirrors, though the tone was a bit on the farty side. There also was some photo of both Meshuggah's guitarists holding their guitars and one of them was holding a nine string, so there is hope!
@@rinni666 That's rad AF, time to go relisten to those songs. A#0 is brutal lol
@@rinni666 triple drop e?
@@vonicrimson3619 Yes! The low thundery sound in that song is a E0 played with a guitar.
meshugging
I kinda want an Abasi 8 string, but I can't afford it lol.
The tone is near identical
Care to tell about your helix chain?
my khaler doesnt hold my 8th string when i gauge up so it pops off the roller and that piece falls down so it wont hold the string up. kinda wish i had a flyod rose with its pain in the ass lol
Math is bass.
2:31 your tuning is not right, why is there G# A# E? should be G G# E!
I saw a video where he used EBEBEGbBe
I hate what you did to that agile. I used to be against the death penalty. But you vhanged my mind.
changed*
vanged*
@@Zawmbbeh they’re*
I swear, if you were to see what I do to *my* guitars, you'd stop hating him right away :D
@@Weedbringer666 i done looked thru ur channel and i didnt find anything that made me hurt
What 9 string would your recommend - Schecter c9 or legator josh Travis?
I'm not Kevin but I personally would recommend a Schecter Damien Platinum 9 with a 30" scale, the C9 only has a 28" scale and Josh Travis's model has a 29" scale
It’s not as insane as your former 10 string
Anybody have any string gauge recommendations for E A E A D G B E on a 27" 8 string?
Go to stringtensioncalculator.com/
You can calculate your most suitable gauge depending on your scale length and the string tension you want :)
You can also adjust the scale length for each string, which is delightful if you have a multi-scale instrument.
I typed in your parameters, and went for a light tension : 9 - 13 - 16 - 22w - 29 - 41 - 61 - 82
And I'd recommend D A D G C F A D. I've been using it for a while, before switching to the same pattern in C#
Yoooooooo thank you!!! Definitely gonna try it out.
I really appreciate it
Ernieball 9-80 set is perfect but if you want to make a set on stringjoy.com try somewhere around these gauges,
8 11 14 22w(wound) 32 42 56-62 then 74 or 80.
Lmfao....you face is like. N O
Man. That tone was just awful
Fr bro I honestly think it's the pickups or the strings
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These low tunings and guitars are absolutely ridiculous 😅
I own a 7 string and use a pitch shifter , getting a 9 string is just ridiculous
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Heeeeeeey ! "Octave grabs" is MY technique ! Mine ! I invented it in 2003, named it "semichords" and now everyone is using it, for f*ck's sake :D
Let me guess you also invented the note E
@@carlchameleon9847 Yup, and now Chris Barnes goes "EEEEEEEEE"
First
For me a 8- and more string guitars is just another fashion, pushed by producers-influencers-endorsers combo to perpetuate sales. The end result is a ton of extended range instruments in hands of clueless, wanna-be guitarists, who cover their lack of basic musicianship by ridiculous tunings, 00000... "riffs", spam of dissonant intervals and unlistenable chugging. And with them - a ton of unlistenable noise disguised as a "new music genres".
And yes extended range guitars have their place. Check Beyond Creation for example. They use 8-string guitars and pretty much maxed out their intended use: EXTENDED range guitars.
Yea, i pretty much agree with this. Seeing an extended range guitar used properly is pretty rare I think. Haken is another good example of using extended guitar properly
Dork mindset
boring