Climate Change's Controversial Policy: Loss & Damage
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2022
- There's a climate change policy that governments have been debating for decades. The USA recently even tried (and failed) to have the words removed from the latest IPCC report (AR6 WGII). This policy is: "Loss & Damage".
Also called "Climate Reparations", Loss & Damage is a way of seeking climate justice in the face of disasters, and will be a major talking point at this year's climate negotiations - COP27 in Egypt. So what is Loss & Damage, why is it so important for climate action, and why have countries been arguing about it for so long?
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How are you hoping the next negotiations can overcome the loss and damage controversy??
I don’t have any positive expectations for COP27. To me, the fact that it is taking place in a dictatorship like Egypt is symbolic for how little the world‘s people are heard - there is not even a right to assembly/protest in Egypt. Also, Egypt has a huge building project in its capital (where the COP is taking place) which has been criticized by architects for not having any worth there and being poorly designed, which makes many assume it is only a project to further expand totalitarianism in Egypt.
I don't expect much will be done until the people in wealthier nations begin to suffer irrefutable personal hardships. Then I expect they will demand the money to be spent on mitigating their own suffering. With any luck, the petroleum industry will lose power as they lose market share to renewable energy and electric vehicles. By then, we may not be in a position to help anyone else. I installed another 400 watts of solar yesterday. Not to save the world, but to ensure *I* have electricity in the future.
I just want to share some light on practical oximorons that are arising from these policies of taxing emission and compensating bonuses. Here in Spain big investors are economically ruining small farmers and rural people who have been the all-time keepers of woodlands and agricultural or grazing lands. Once they are bankrupt, they are buying their lands for next to nothing, with tax exemptions; in order to use those lands to plant invasive species, in order to futher reduce their carbon footprint taxes in the future. We are talking about woodlands of chestnuts, oaks, ans simmilar high wood density, slow growing, high carbon capturing species that are centuries old being devastated so that they can say they planted x trees and get tax exemptions. Those trees being mostly pines that inhibit the growth of native species, and provide local fauna with nothing; while also posing a very serious fire hazzard in high temeperature environments.
I’d like to see the G7 work on some form of a carbon tax which is used to dump extra funding into programs like UNDAC and CERF. I’m no economist so I bet there’s better solutions out there…I’m just trying to figure out some way that we ensure that some of the biggest polluters are contributing the most to the costs.
They’d rather figure out what we will lose, than to stop those things from being lost in the first place.
I love your easy to understand explanations. The way you speak slowly and intersperse acting clips really helps me to keep attention.
Edit: Just saw the amazing ending. Wow, the music really fits with the dramatic question at the end. Stop or Adapt really reminded me of Coronavirus policy.
ah thanks so much Justin - that's such a lovely comment to receive!
We in Holland have this problem with damage due to gas extraction in Groningen. In the richest country in the world. The damage is NOT being taken care of. Nor will it. I would not get my hopes up for residents of Bangladesh to fair better than the Groningers
The only way wording should be altered in these reports is if all the climate scientists writing the report agree that it should. No large country should be able to force the language to be softened. It’s ridiculous.
How can we ‘negotiate’ on the climate?! We are so far into the danger zone, and we need drastic change, not petty arguing over wording… 🤦🏻♀️
IMHO
definitely understand that point of view! to understand more about why countries do have a say over the wording (specifically over the Summary for Policymakers part of these reports) check out a video I made on the IPCC over here:
ruclips.net/video/yWYz0u-gG8Q/видео.html
Great video again, Adam. It's so important that you keep explaining some of these crucial concepts out there!
In a concrete way looking at climate reparations, it's hard to see them separate from debt cancellation. (as demonstrated by the FFF Global Climate Strikes narrative this year) The debt that countries from the Global North impose on countries from the Global South make no sense and are immoral, yet they actually make up significant parts of the budget of these GS countries. Much more than the amount of "development aid" that is going in the other direction in fact. So in net, GS countries are paying GN countries day in day out. That's astounding - and infuriating - but it makes an evident bridge towards loss & damage.
loss and damage reminds me a lot of a friend who explained to me why they were insisting their parents pay for their therapy: "you break it you buy it!"
Although this is unfortunately not simple as it sounds, I personally think that the term “LONG TERM” needs be on the table. As a society/We, particularly “decision-makers”, need to acknowledge the fact that short-term and often dogmatic steps does not work for the better, at least in general.
Love your videos keep up the great work 😊
aw thanks so much Ducky!
This is a complex topic indeed. But your video sum it up quite well. I just hope this kind of content reach more people, because this is exactly what nobody wants to talk about, but most people could benefitted if it were taken into account in global negotiations.
Normal people have nothing to say in these negotiations.
But we need people understanding the concepts, it is not mainstream yet. At least it is not where i live.
Damn, now I'm binging Climate Adam...really helpful
haha welcome to the channel, Eddy!
If 2022 doesn't wake the world up, the only thing I can think of that might, will be the next El Nino. In 2016 & 2020 the world temp. increase over pre-industrial was 1.36C & those 2 years were El Nino's. Most years are 1.1-1.2C over pre-industrial. So when another one comes along in 2024-2026 my prediction is it will do so much property damage, the scale of the damage will convince most remaining deniers kick starting the political will do actually take action to make a green transition sufficient to initiate a difference in the trajectory of temperature rise so we all don't cook ourselves. If not, then we'll run right past 1.5C on the way to 2C & then its likely too late for a green transition to make a difference & we'll be into geo-engineering on a huge scale in a desperate attempt to slow climate change momentum.
Why do you think 2022 will wake up the world to someone who understands history? History is full of disasters, 1780 was the worse Atlantic Hurricane season with 28,000 dead and the Great Hurricane of 1780 with a possible wind speed of 200 mph is likely the stongest hurricane in the history of Atlantic Hurricanes. The Dust Bowl is the worst drought in American History etc etc. Why should I feak out? Because some climate cultist who does not know history told me so.
It's difficult to find an easy solution to a complex problem due to how complicated to the problem is, and such approaches require such harsh corner cuts.
The people using such measurements are censoring the info regarding the corner cuts because they are tired of the prying eyes, and crying lies, of using that information, whether true or false, for the sole sake of making progress look bad.
Wow, what a charismatic face! The most charismatic i have seen for the last 3 years or so
Thanks so much for this!💚
Hi Adam, nice video! I would like to see one about degrowth, i think its the most effective way of fighting climate change, what do you think?? Cheers from Spain 😊
It is necessary to fight climate change, but in order for it to happen we will have to win a bigger fight against the powers that be. It would be much easier if climate policy was about averting the climate crisis but the forces shaping the agenda have other motives. The climate-smart sustainable development agenda is a far greater obstacle to sane climate action than organized climate change denial, or more accurately, both of those sides are agents of the same powers.
such an interesting topic, and one that many academics are very divided on! could definitely be worth a video, once I think of something original to say about it..!
Thanks for bringing this up! It's surreal that this isn't addressed officially. Like... obviously there's loss and damage, that's the whole reason climate change is a problem, right. I really hope *something* will be set up to help with loss and damage in the future, as soon as possible.
We're fukked.
Dialogue between countries and corporation is what I consider a bridge to nowhere. Can people's inner convictions and conscience of right and wrong supercede societies perpetual lionizing of those with money and reward for their greed. That's an intoxicant that even the suffering of people in 3rd world countries and the poor of 1st world countries will not presently cause them to give up. It's ignorance and the lack of empathy that those richest will not confront, as long as there's a last villa or mansion or flowering garden they can go to they will not make the leap that is needed, imo.
Great video! I would also that non-economic loss and damage adds a whole layer of complexity to this issue, especially given the lack of information available as to how to quantify it and what this means in terms of harm and reparations.
thanks so much, Helen. and you're absolutely right - what's the monetary value of a life (or way of life) lost forever?
Money makes everyone crazy.
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Certainly relevant to a solution or an improvement in the environment.
How about generational reparations due to climate change?
It’s not north vs south but also boomers vs everyone else including future generations. Very few in power in the USA will like that topic.
excellent point - older generations are simultaneously leaving younger a less habitable planet, while hoarding and depleting the resources to adapt to it.
concessions from the capitalist colonisers will never come. we genuinly need a complete overhaul of this sytem benefitting the ultra miniority at the expense of the majority.
Gaia is pissed and we're in for it.
Heres an idea lets throw this self destructive economic system in the bin and try life without the desperate desire to obtain money but instead desire living
I noticed the USA, Russia and China were on both list. Seems like a good place to start.
i feel like the global north/imperial core really need to have a come-to-jesus moment about how much they have screwed over the world, and should actually be forced to send reparations to the countries they've destroyed--with no strings attached. but all the rich ppl would rather cling to money they don't need to wield power they don't deserve. and so many innocent ppl suffer for it. it makes me so sad and so angry.
Halogenated vinyl halogenated carbon and nuclear technology is lost and we have less damage. We have lost nuclear technology and we have less damage from Edison generator and dynamos power plants and vehicles. We lost use of fossil fuels for electric power and transportation and have less damage to our wallet from Edison generator and dynamos power plants and vehicles. We lost our clear skies to soot and smoke but less damage from heat and Atmosphere loss due to halogenated vinyl and halogenated carbon and nuclear technology.
Loss and damage done.
I get what your saying but the subject is complex. Is it ok for the poor in the uk to go cold and freeze this winter. Yes unless its a huge struggle for you,do you even get it ,The reality is even in the UK people are desperate my family included. Worrying about turning heating off doesnt help the standing charges you are left with that subsidize windmills that work intermittentley and then the blades that need replacing are put where?.Climate change is a reality but the poor are also on your doorstep when it comes to energy and they are already struggling
I hear you, poppy. my view is that it's vitally important that we fight climate change. but this must be done in a way that makes life easier for those that are struggling, not harder.
times are really tough for so many families in the UK and beyond. despite that, there's a lot of evidence that fossil fuels aren't the answer. in fact, slowing the transition to energy efficiency and onshore wind power (the cheapest energy source for the UK) has added hugely to consumers' bills:
www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-cutting-the-green-crap-has-added-2-5bn-to-uk-energy-bills/
as for digging up new fossil fuels - as mentioned in the vid, these likely wouldn't be available for years. what's more, fossil fuels are typically sold on the international market, so digging more up would very possibly just give the companies more to sell, without providing a material benefit to consumers.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-03/uk-s-new-oil-gas-permits-probably-won-t-boost-supply-for-years
www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/08/fracking-uk-not-fix-fuel-bills-economically-high-risk "Even if shale gas could be produced here at the scale needed, it would not make a dent in fuel bills. That is because the gas price is set by international markets, so any gas produced would be sold to the highest bidder and vast amounts would be needed to make any change to the gas price."
if we transition to a zero carbon economy right, we can do so in a way that improves our lives and our bills.
I agree with what you say for a future vision, but the now are left behind and trust me its a massive struggle
I wonder about the lives of those who are activists. I read all the replies to your videos and you clearly are admired. But how many of those responses gave a thought or a mention to the poor of today. Look I admire you ,you are knowledgable and I dont dispute your evidence but give a thought to those who this winter is going to be bloody miserable
Well your subject is relevant to global warming and you are closer to a solution from the IPCC.
Parking lots take up 25 to 30% of city land use go up not out parking garages use 50% less land.
The new land can be used for green spaces full of native plants flowers and trees help cool are citys and reduce are energy demands to cool buildings.
Line roads with trees it helps reduce flooding speeding drivers sound co2 wind and soil loss.
the 2022 floods in pakistan cost around 40 billion $, and was made 50% worse by climate change. pakistan is home to a bit less than 3% of our worlds population, but emits a bit less than 0.7 percent of annual GHG emissions, and historically emitted 0.3 percent of emissions.
while we certainly need to transform our western cities, which will cost us lots of money - the question of loss and damage is: who will pay how much for the reconstruction of pakistan?
Yes native plants, but also food, with agroecology we can easily grow 50% of our food in urban areas without the need for corporate vertical farms biotechnology or agrochemicals, and we can sequester gigatons of carbon heal the water cycle and give power to the people while doing so. We need to grab shovels and pitchforks and take matters into our own hands or we will be imprisoned in smart cities and corralled into the metaverse to plant NFTrees. The forces shaping the agenda will not save us, even the ones who are telling us all to panic about the climate crisis are way more interested in control and domination, that's what they mean when they say they want to save the world.
Borders are silly and so is our economic system. Climate change doesn't recognise either. *sings* we're all in this together.
The insurance industry has a solution but If you think the insurance industry will save us I have an nft to sell you
omg is it an ape with sunglasses ill pay you a million dogecoinz
I thought this nonsense ended under Biden.
Let’s talk about brainwashed