Try not to let the naysayers get to y’all about being biased. I’m a running shoe addict. I’ve tried a bunch of shoes based on your reviews and others out there. Objectively, most shoes right now are pretty great, and the experience for each person is so subjective. So I get why y’all are generally positive about most shoes because, let’s be honest, most companies are killing it right now. Love y’all’s content and reviews. Please keep them going!
Thank you for the disclosures. I do think it makes a difference in how the reviews come across. And like you said - not really necessary for most reviews. But when you’ve come back from a big sponsored event it gives a clearer view of your standpoint.
Thank you for mentioning that this isn't for everyone. Many people choose the most expensive option for their marathon or even regular runs. It would be quite beneficial to score the shoes based on both comfort and performance. 15:50
Thanks for disclaimer made for this Pro 4 just in case some people find it biased review, it doesn't bother me anyway at all like most people out there. Also thanks for highlighting that this shoe is definitely not for anyone slower than sub 4 or even sub-330 as Boston 12 is definitely good enough and provide enough support unlike top racer.
Long time viewer and big fan, and my vote is to just keep the old light system. The numbers seem to be confusing and don't really add much to the overall review.
Your suggestion is valid! We will still give out lights, but want to give more insight into the light system and provide a more detailed look at how we arrived there by using the ratings. Give us 6 months to fine tune it and if you still think it sucks maybe we'll take a poll and re-evaluate.
@@Believeintherun you should understand that a decimal in a fraction is in fact just a fraction expressed differently. If you wanted to add half points you have a ten point scale not a five point scale so the scores should be out of ten. I think simplicity is great goal. The other thing to remember is that it helps to use the full weight of the scale and hand out some low marks. Doug de Muro in reviewing cars is a good example. Some meaning gets lost if all shoes score over 12 or 13. Points off for Hoka colour ways (most of them). Points off for needing to size up. Function will be tricky is the Superblast 2 better than a Glycerine Max because it does more. Or is Glycerine Max perfect for recovery/easy days - so both are equal?
From a heavy runners perspective the AP3 were great because they were firmer. I bottom out shoes too easily. And they were the only accessible super shoe wide enough for my feet too. Looks like the 4th isn’t for me, but that’s fine. I’ll buy the 3 on sale.
Thank you for mentioning that this isn't for us wide footers. Do you think you start including Jarrett to talk about his fit or at least mention in the future if shoes fit him? There aren't enough resources online to determine if 2E wide bois can safely squeeze into some shoes, and not all of our local run stores carry the brands we'd like to try in person. Thanks!
Seen the measurements done by runrepeat? They’ve saved me a ton with their measurements of width and I would love if BITR give us some of those stats as well.
I have a "wider" foot but probably not Jarrett wide. I got in on the running warehouse early release and I was a little worried but I had no issues. I actually thought they felt better than the 3s. I only have a 3 and 4 mile run in them though. I was pleasantly surprised. They definitely like to go fast, I couldn't push to hard as I'm dealing with a injury but I did some strides in the 7s and they definitely felt in the sweet spot there.
Congrats on the Chicago marathon! How did the Pro 3 feel at the end of the marathon? Thinking of a second marathon next year - looking at shoe options.
Bit worried to hear its softer then the pro 3... that's one of the things I've preferred about past lightstrike pro is that its not quite as soft as other brands while having that nice energy return and bounce and everything
Question, why don't they make wide width for racing shoes? That kinda sucks... also, what can you recommend racing shoes for high volume, wide width runners?
The new rating system is great! The running shoe experience is not a binary one. A simple light system doesn't do the more subtle intricacies justice. Those who are calling for the old light system back have an old curmudgeon mentality that is highly averse to any change, whether for the better or worse.
I think Number systems should be broken down to sub categories. Fit should have subcategories like width, instep, tongue, lockdown, breathability, etc. Gear lab has a really good model for most gear they test buy doing a similar grading system. Gives readers a more nuanced look and can allow you to discount things or look for aspects that matter more or most to you. Maybe give the main category scires in the video and in the writeup reviewers can show the sub categories to shownhownthey get to a 4 for overall fit or somethig like that. Just a suggestion
Kieran from The Run Testers said he felt this shoe would be unforgiving when your form gets wrecked in a marathon whereas the Adios Pro 3 gave more support..ergo this is not a shoe for the +4hr marathon runner but YMMV..
The FCC is pretty clear on the regulations. If they are given incentives by the company to review a product they must disclose that. In this case the incentive was "we'll pay for you and your team to fly to Germany and run in the Berlin marathon in our newest shoes for a review." That's a big incentive and if not disclosed could lead to complaints.
Is it "Magic-cool", Magic-ool", or "Magicool"? Maybe copyright them all Robbie and sell to a shoe comapny. The new Adidas Pro 5 with the Magicool upper. Not only does it do this neat thing it's also super breathable and cooling with phase change technology. Its not magical, it's Magicool! I'll see myself out now😂
Better disclosure would be paces run in these and total distance before review. I mean, don't you have full access to free shoes (even Evo Pro 1), free nutrition, free bibs to the majors, coaching, etc but still no BQ???? Maybe Megan should review super shoes. Glowing, almost perfect shoe review but obvious upper issues = Adidias, can I get a free bib to Boston?
5:48 it already felt like a race day shoe. Just ran a 10k PR in my Pro 3’s today, the midsole might feel different from the 4’s but the 3’s were as race day ready as they come. I do plan to get these on day one, but based on reviews I’m expecting a softer midsole and the same complicated fit/sizing.
Is the sizing the same as the Pro 3? What I don’t like with Adidas is it changes sizes along the way. The first boost in 2013/14, my size was 10. It was perfect until 2019, when size 10 became bigger. It even was bigger in 2020. Had to purchase size 9. Come 2024, Ultraboost 5x, bought 8.5 but still had more than enough room on the toe box.
Probably not for me; a slow Hobby Jogger. I didn't get along with the Superblast but I am hoping the EVO SL is the versatile shoe that the Superblast was supposed to be.
The Adios Pro 3 lasts hundreds of miles. The Pro EVO 1 lasts one marathon. IF this Pro 4 is in between those two. Then It’s the same reason i will not buy a Vaporfly/Alphafly. I’m a 4hr+ marathon runner and love the AP3. IF this AP4 is softer then I’m disappointed my favourite foam is no more.
Check this, shave 1 inch off of the left and 1 inch off of the right side of Robbie's mustache in your minds eye and tell me who you see!?!?! Lmao! Wow! "Nailed it"! As Robbie like to say repeatedly. Who knew? A reincarnation? Just "spot on". Lmao!
Speaking of Berlin, I think some of that trip has stuck with him? Lol! Just wow! Ya know, the man himself was only 5' 9" at 170lbs. Can you say "doppelganger", sticking with the deutschlander theme. LOL! Even the sleepy, blue eyes... the weak, glass chin, the off set ears, like a body double.
A male with a shoe size of US 7.5 has a 95 % probability of being between 5' 4" and 5' 7". And the similar-looking German gentleman with the shorter mustache, weak chin and sleepy steel blue eyes was 5' 9"; so not quite a doppelganger.
A non bias review would require a completely objective look at the shoe not taking your own personal experience into the equation at all. Nobody does that, they all do it subjectively therefor it is always subject to their own personal bias, anyone saying it's not a bias review, is either lying, or stupid.
Well to be honest, I make my own mind up after trying a shoe .. or I make a compulsive buy before you or any review of a shoe (recently got in the Miro nude 361) which tends to bite me and get me in hot water with my better half. (have to admit, I actually like the Brooks Hyperion elite 4 .. kind of works for me, but the Hyperion 2 works better and a lot cheaper). I doubt any long term viewer of your channel would honestly question the teams integrity . Is there a bias, of course there is ..you lot are human, but it's more the fact you guys love new and sexy. Let’s be honest there are a host of shoes between $90 - $140 that we could all run fine in; “Hell” any Waverider, Ghost, Clifton , Peg all could get us over that 42k .. but it would not be sexy and would not make us “feel” fast. In what other pastime can the average working person pick up the tool of their sporting hero's and just get out the door .. keep doing you BITR. PS I love the traffic light system.
One of the better looking running shoe for 2024 - full stop !!! Also seems like all changes will make it race choice for more runners than previous model For me however as hybrid and heavier build 4h marathononer, don't see myself as it will be upgrade to pro3 which is by far best on all what I've tried - got new pair before they disappear and will skip on pro4 However defenetly I'm getting sl evo 😊 Felt very good on treadmill in store - no 1/2 sizes unfortunately yet .... and it looks amazing Unfortunately - in white launch colorway it reminds me natzis for some reason - but so it did Thomas wearing white adi tracksuit in Berlin - somehow look like that peacock natzi wearing white uniforms in late 1930's - look up those pictures but be careful, once you see it cannot unsee it 😅
I am disappointed. I run 3 marathons in 2 Years in the adios pro 3 and i hope to run Berlin in the pro 4. Berlin the major Adidas Marathon at the 50. Edition and Adidas was unable to sell the shoe before. Now they sell the pro 4 at marathon expos in Australia. WTF. Puma gifted at the 25 Cologne Marathon every runner a nitro shoe during the race at km 39 two years ago. Adidas loosed in everything. So i switched to Puma Elite 3 for Berlin. And now after the long wait for the pro 4 i want to know is the pro 4 better as puma, nike. All everything says adidas looses. Its heavier its cost more and still not available for months.
Number systems should be broken down to sub categories. Fit should have subcategories like width, instep, tongue, lockdown, breathability, etc. Gear lab had a really good model for most gear they test but doing a similar grading system. Gives readers a more nuanced look amd can allow you to discount things or look for aspects that matter more or most to you.
Try not to let the naysayers get to y’all about being biased. I’m a running shoe addict. I’ve tried a bunch of shoes based on your reviews and others out there. Objectively, most shoes right now are pretty great, and the experience for each person is so subjective. So I get why y’all are generally positive about most shoes because, let’s be honest, most companies are killing it right now.
Love y’all’s content and reviews. Please keep them going!
Thank you for the disclosures. I do think it makes a difference in how the reviews come across. And like you said - not really necessary for most reviews. But when you’ve come back from a big sponsored event it gives a clearer view of your standpoint.
I believe the RUclipsrs who are sponsored to the Berlin marathon by adidas are called out in other RUclips channels. They do have a good point though.
Thanks guys!
I've run 8 marathons in the pro 3 ..so im very excited about these.. Super informative video
Adidas is really hitting their stride this year. The Adizero range is top tier !
I'm sold by you guys. I'm purchasing this over the Alphafly 3. Great review guys 🙂👏
Thank you for mentioning that this isn't for everyone. Many people choose the most expensive option for their marathon or even regular runs. It would be quite beneficial to score the shoes based on both comfort and performance. 15:50
Great share and on the ratings. Stoked on the Adios Pro 4 but preparing to get the purple or black toes on the long runs😅
Thanks for disclaimer made for this Pro 4 just in case some people find it biased review, it doesn't bother me anyway at all like most people out there. Also thanks for highlighting that this shoe is definitely not for anyone slower than sub 4 or even sub-330 as Boston 12 is definitely good enough and provide enough support unlike top racer.
Very Good Honest review 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for the review, fun watch! Thinking of a second marathon for next year - tempted by this shoe for sure!
Great review, thank you! I'm too slow for this shoe, but I still love to learn!
Long time viewer and big fan, and my vote is to just keep the old light system. The numbers seem to be confusing and don't really add much to the overall review.
The old light system is kind of like Ginger Runner's "Buy, Try, Why". Both are simple and elegant.
Your suggestion is valid! We will still give out lights, but want to give more insight into the light system and provide a more detailed look at how we arrived there by using the ratings. Give us 6 months to fine tune it and if you still think it sucks maybe we'll take a poll and re-evaluate.
@@RUN-SC Exactly. Great comparison. Number scores lose meaning far too quickly in an industry where shoe models are constantly updated.
Light system all the way
@@Believeintherun you should understand that a decimal in a fraction is in fact just a fraction expressed differently. If you wanted to add half points you have a ten point scale not a five point scale so the scores should be out of ten. I think simplicity is great goal.
The other thing to remember is that it helps to use the full weight of the scale and hand out some low marks. Doug de Muro in reviewing cars is a good example. Some meaning gets lost if all shoes score over 12 or 13. Points off for Hoka colour ways (most of them). Points off for needing to size up.
Function will be tricky is the Superblast 2 better than a Glycerine Max because it does more. Or is Glycerine Max perfect for recovery/easy days - so both are equal?
From a heavy runners perspective the AP3 were great because they were firmer. I bottom out shoes too easily. And they were the only accessible super shoe wide enough for my feet too. Looks like the 4th isn’t for me, but that’s fine. I’ll buy the 3 on sale.
Same.
Can't wait to try these, loved the Pro 2 and 3.
Am definitely going to try the SL and the Pro 4
great review. Between 2 shoes on this and the AF3s?
Can’t wait for the launch in southeast asia here in Indonesia 💪
Thank you for mentioning that this isn't for us wide footers. Do you think you start including Jarrett to talk about his fit or at least mention in the future if shoes fit him? There aren't enough resources online to determine if 2E wide bois can safely squeeze into some shoes, and not all of our local run stores carry the brands we'd like to try in person.
Thanks!
For sure, problem is that a lot of the wide samples don't come out til later, but we try to do our best to get everything his way.
Has Meaghan run in the 4? Would be interesting to know if her wider feet do ok in them
Seen the measurements done by runrepeat? They’ve saved me a ton with their measurements of width and I would love if BITR give us some of those stats as well.
I have a "wider" foot but probably not Jarrett wide. I got in on the running warehouse early release and I was a little worried but I had no issues. I actually thought they felt better than the 3s. I only have a 3 and 4 mile run in them though. I was pleasantly surprised. They definitely like to go fast, I couldn't push to hard as I'm dealing with a injury but I did some strides in the 7s and they definitely felt in the sweet spot there.
Did these feel like they needed to break in at all? The LightStrike Pro in the AP3 and last few Takumi Sens softens up a little around 30 miles or so.
No, definitely softer. Totally different feel, but in a good way.
@@Believeintherundo you prefer this shoe over the Alphafly 3?
Ran the Chicago marathon in the Adios Pro 3 at a very slow pace and loved it. Seems like this version is more geared toward faster runners though.
Congrats on the Chicago marathon! How did the Pro 3 feel at the end of the marathon? Thinking of a second marathon next year - looking at shoe options.
@@suranperera4620 Honestly they were great for me. Of all the things that hurt when I was done, my feet weren't even on the list.
Can’t wait for them to come out, I might wait for other CW’s though…
Is it me, or the camera seems a bit more crispy?! Haha, great review. Love the context shared.
Maybe too crispy, shaving with a dull razor that morning was a terrible idea - R
When is the prime x 3 coming!!!???
That’s what I want to know too
The AP3 are known for their durability (mileage) do you think these will hold up in durability to the AP3's?
My guess is that the foam being softer would last a shorter amount of time, but who knows.
Bit worried to hear its softer then the pro 3... that's one of the things I've preferred about past lightstrike pro is that its not quite as soft as other brands while having that nice energy return and bounce and everything
As Race day shoes go if you had to choose Asics Meta speed sky or Adidas adizero adios pro 4 what would you choose and why? Thanks 😊
I just ran my Marathon PR in the Under Armour velocity elite 2. Just throwing another suggestion ✊🏻
Don’t worry believe in the run, I believe you 😁
Question, why don't they make wide width for racing shoes? That kinda sucks... also, what can you recommend racing shoes for high volume, wide width runners?
We have some wide shoe recs on the website
I am running boston next year, I need a review between alphafly 3 and this onee !! 😯🙏
Way better runner's than us .. brilliant 😁👊
Like to Thomas and Robbe. Have a beautiful day.
The new rating system is great! The running shoe experience is not a binary one. A simple light system doesn't do the more subtle intricacies justice. Those who are calling for the old light system back have an old curmudgeon mentality that is highly averse to any change, whether for the better or worse.
Do you think I should go true to size?
May i check if this is suitable for people with wide feet?
You ran the Berlin Marathon in Berlin, Germany???
I think Number systems should be broken down to sub categories. Fit should have subcategories like width, instep, tongue, lockdown, breathability, etc. Gear lab has a really good model for most gear they test buy doing a similar grading system. Gives readers a more nuanced look and can allow you to discount things or look for aspects that matter more or most to you. Maybe give the main category scires in the video and in the writeup reviewers can show the sub categories to shownhownthey get to a 4 for overall fit or somethig like that.
Just a suggestion
I FLIPPING LOVE THE NUMBER SYSTEM
Kieran from The Run Testers said he felt this shoe would be unforgiving when your form gets wrecked in a marathon whereas the Adios Pro 3 gave more support..ergo this is not a shoe for the +4hr marathon runner but YMMV..
It’s nice to see influencers read comments from real shoe reviewer RUclips videos. 😂
When can we get it
January 2025!
Guys. I understand the disclaimer but just do your thing. If you’re giving honest reviews we’ll know and vice versa.
The FCC is pretty clear on the regulations. If they are given incentives by the company to review a product they must disclose that. In this case the incentive was "we'll pay for you and your team to fly to Germany and run in the Berlin marathon in our newest shoes for a review." That's a big incentive and if not disclosed could lead to complaints.
We were not obligated to review the shoes.
Also, we always have a disclaimer in the description. We try not to waste people’s time saying the same bs over and over.
Is it "Magic-cool", Magic-ool", or "Magicool"? Maybe copyright them all Robbie and sell to a shoe comapny. The new Adidas Pro 5 with the Magicool upper. Not only does it do this neat thing it's also super breathable and cooling with phase change technology. Its not magical, it's Magicool!
I'll see myself out now😂
You guys are great. Whoever is going after you guys don’t get it.
Better disclosure would be paces run in these and total distance before review. I mean, don't you have full access to free shoes (even Evo Pro 1), free nutrition, free bibs to the majors, coaching, etc but still no BQ???? Maybe Megan should review super shoes. Glowing, almost perfect shoe review but obvious upper issues = Adidias, can I get a free bib to Boston?
A lot of reviewers out there talking sh€@%, that i dont belive. You guys are not one of thos guys! I belive in the run👍🏾👍🏾
5:48 it already felt like a race day shoe. Just ran a 10k PR in my Pro 3’s today, the midsole might feel different from the 4’s but the 3’s were as race day ready as they come. I do plan to get these on day one, but based on reviews I’m expecting a softer midsole and the same complicated fit/sizing.
Is the sizing the same as the Pro 3?
What I don’t like with Adidas is it changes sizes along the way.
The first boost in 2013/14, my size was 10. It was perfect until 2019, when size 10 became bigger.
It even was bigger in 2020. Had to purchase size 9. Come 2024, Ultraboost 5x, bought 8.5 but still had more than enough room on the toe box.
Runs a half size smaller than the Adios Pro 3
@@Believeintherun
Hmm…my observation is right. They keep on getting bigger.
Love my Pro 3's minus that upper/lacing
Same 👌🏻 I don't have any issues caused by the upper but in my opinion it's the only minor negative the shoe has. I can't wait for the v4 to release 😎
You and everyone else...
"Fulcrum" you guys studied up for this one 😂
We educated
Guys how much similar fits to adizero sl model??
Not very
Probably not for me; a slow Hobby Jogger. I didn't get along with the Superblast but I am hoping the EVO SL is the versatile shoe that the Superblast was supposed to be.
Rob should do stand up like his twin David Spade
Don't hate this idea. Been pitching a running influencers' roast but nobody will take me up on it.
So, I thought "Evo" was the name for Adidas' top racing shoe- but now the Evo SL is a trainer. I just can't keep track of their naming system.
Basically the Evo SL is their top training shoe.
sounds like my experience with pro2 😅
If I'm the kind of guy who can't wear many models of shoes due to wide fore feet, what adidas shoe could work for me?
🦗
I have slightly wider than average forefoot and adidas Boston 12 fits me well.
The Adios Pro 3 lasts hundreds of miles. The Pro EVO 1 lasts one marathon. IF this Pro 4 is in between those two. Then It’s the same reason i will not buy a Vaporfly/Alphafly. I’m a 4hr+ marathon runner and love the AP3. IF this AP4 is softer then I’m disappointed my favourite foam is no more.
You ran in the Evo?
@@CorGP the official adidas announcement is the Evo 1 has one try out run and then is best for one marathon afterwards.
@@aveenmahabal I’m sure it’s at its best for 1 race but I’m pretty sure the people who have ran in them have used them for more than 1.
The editor needs to review the video before posting it. Function showed up at the end.
Check this, shave 1 inch off of the left and 1 inch off of the right side of Robbie's mustache in your minds eye and tell me who you see!?!?! Lmao! Wow! "Nailed it"! As Robbie like to say repeatedly. Who knew? A reincarnation? Just "spot on". Lmao!
Speaking of Berlin, I think some of that trip has stuck with him? Lol! Just wow! Ya know, the man himself was only 5' 9" at 170lbs. Can you say "doppelganger", sticking with the deutschlander theme. LOL! Even the sleepy, blue eyes... the weak, glass chin, the off set ears, like a body double.
A male with a shoe size of US 7.5 has a 95 % probability of being between 5' 4" and 5' 7". And the similar-looking German gentleman with the shorter mustache, weak chin and sleepy steel blue eyes was 5' 9"; so not quite a doppelganger.
Hey Adidas, get your shoes in stock so we can buy them! I can't give you money if you're always sold out.
BITR Word Of The Day: Magicool
💫 The more you know 💫
Just take my money Adidas 😂
Adidas usually runs a half size big.. so weird!
A non bias review would require a completely objective look at the shoe not taking your own personal experience into the equation at all.
Nobody does that, they all do it subjectively therefor it is always subject to their own personal bias, anyone saying it's not a bias review, is either lying, or stupid.
* medially, not laterally
Well to be honest, I make my own mind up after trying a shoe .. or I make a compulsive buy before you or any review of a shoe (recently got in the Miro nude 361) which tends to bite me and get me in hot water with my better half. (have to admit, I actually like the Brooks Hyperion elite 4 .. kind of works for me, but the Hyperion 2 works better and a lot cheaper). I doubt any long term viewer of your channel would honestly question the teams integrity . Is there a bias, of course there is ..you lot are human, but it's more the fact you guys love new and sexy. Let’s be honest there are a host of shoes between $90 - $140 that we could all run fine in; “Hell” any Waverider, Ghost, Clifton , Peg all could get us over that 42k .. but it would not be sexy and would not make us “feel” fast. In what other pastime can the average working person pick up the tool of their sporting hero's and just get out the door .. keep doing you BITR. PS I love the traffic light system.
BITR Word Of The Day: Zonal
pretty soon the toes of shoes are just going to point straight up 😆
One of the better looking running shoe for 2024 - full stop !!!
Also seems like all changes will make it race choice for more runners than previous model
For me however as hybrid and heavier build 4h marathononer, don't see myself as it will be upgrade to pro3 which is by far best on all what I've tried - got new pair before they disappear and will skip on pro4
However defenetly I'm getting sl evo 😊
Felt very good on treadmill in store - no 1/2 sizes unfortunately yet .... and it looks amazing
Unfortunately - in white launch colorway it reminds me natzis for some reason - but so it did Thomas wearing white adi tracksuit in Berlin - somehow look like that peacock natzi wearing white uniforms in late 1930's - look up those pictures but be careful, once you see it cannot unsee it 😅
Another obvious Easter egg is the SS logo! 😅
the disclaimer is gonna be half the video pretty soon
This will not be a normal addition to the reviews. We just felt it was necessary to state, in this case.
@@Believeintherun nah I feel that. Just being a little cheeky. I know it's important
You acting like the Pro 3 was a recovery run shoe lmao. The Pro 3 was the best race shoe on the market.
I am disappointed. I run 3 marathons in 2 Years in the adios pro 3 and i hope to run Berlin in the pro 4. Berlin the major Adidas Marathon at the 50. Edition and Adidas was unable to sell the shoe before. Now they sell the pro 4 at marathon expos in Australia. WTF. Puma gifted at the 25 Cologne Marathon every runner a nitro shoe during the race at km 39 two years ago. Adidas loosed in everything. So i switched to Puma Elite 3 for Berlin. And now after the long wait for the pro 4 i want to know is the pro 4 better as puma, nike. All everything says adidas looses. Its heavier its cost more and still not available for months.
stick with the lights
Rob’s toenails are falling off and he gives it a four for Fit. What are you gonna do to get a three lose a toe?
Number systems should be broken down to sub categories. Fit should have subcategories like width, instep, tongue, lockdown, breathability, etc. Gear lab had a really good model for most gear they test but doing a similar grading system. Gives readers a more nuanced look amd can allow you to discount things or look for aspects that matter more or most to you.
500 ευρώ???😂😂😂 δεν πάνε καλά, μόνο με χορηγό 😂😂😂😂
reviews for shoes not available lol adidas messed up bigtime this breeds ill feeling with consumer
Only fans.. what!! Lol